The K20 is a great engine man. The applications its used in stock are terrible platforms which is why you dont see great numbers. Look up the arial atom or lotus elise with the K20 turbo or S/C swaps in them. For a 2.0L motor to push over 600whp is quite impressive. Yes the domestics are running faster times...its because their motors are more than 2x's in size and on a RWD platform which is better. Come on...dont be a douche :)
@chabbalato Yea, superchargers work wonders, mainly are larger displacements. Honda motors are absolutely terrible aside from gas mileage, the only reason they seem decent is because they're in light bodies.
the fuck are you talking about, 14psi in a vw 8v would make about 220hp. hondas have some of the best motors designed for the price. the ports flow way better than a VW. the k20 head and k24 block can almost get 300 to the wheels with just intake, cam, headwork and a tune.
Dont see many street cars getting 300hp NA. im not offended here since i dont even own a worthy honda anymore but i just want to get some facts right,
@wed3k Lol I never said anything about Volkswagens. They are inferior engines because they don't have decent torque. Having more torque (ft. lb. or kg.N) means that you have more power (hp or kW) earlier in the RPM range. A Honda engine compared with another engine of same power but more torque, will have less power at the same rpm as the other engine, which continues through the power band. This means they're bad for drag, and exiting turns on tracks. Essentially most racing applications.
@0ukami You're an idiot. Tell that to the people that drag turbo b series and run 8 second passes on the 1/4 mile. What you is really just ignorant. Think about it. The b18c1,b18c5,k20a,k20a2,k20z1,k24a2, were all made to rev really high (obviously) so if you're racing you will almost constantly be in vtec and it doesn't matter if you make small numbers at low revs of the power band... Not to mention that i seriously doubt anyone can out torque the k24a2 these days...
@zbshogun LOL, that's why they're stuck in the 8 second range, while domestics are into the 6 seconds, and other Japanese companies like Nissan and Toyota are well into the low 7s. Think about it. If you know anything about the principles of how an engine works and derives power, you'd know that you accelerate in the high end of the powerband as well. This is where most engines will tend to taper off in power when there is insufficient torque.
@0ukami You fail. First of all there are honda's that run in the 7's. There has been 4g63 4 cylender 2.0L engines from mitsubishi that have been running mid to low 6 second runs for over 5 years now... Additionally to correct some of your errors. There are 2jzgte's that run into the mid to low 6 seconds and also rb's that do the same... And if the honda's ran a rwd setup rather than fwd it'd get into the 6s. So its nothing to do with the engine. You lose...
@zbshogun All those engines you mentioned back up what I said: every other manufacturer makes better engines than Honda for racing. Also I laugh at the fact you think you owned me. It's not about comparing a high comp n/a to a low comp turbo, its about comparing two engines with similar sizes built for similar purposes: racing. I could build a 20hp 1 cylinder motor and claim it to be the God of all engines because its the best in its category, but so what? It's still a pos junk.
@zbshogun And LOL, you think nobody can "out-torque" a 170 ft lb rated k24? Are you kidding me? Nissan's KA24 makes 160 ft lbs using a design almost 22 years old. And you think nothing else can out-torque it in the present. That just sealed the deal on your ignorance of anything mechanical-related. The SR20VET makes 280PS and around 279 ft. lbs of torque from the factory. The turbocharged K23 barely made 240hp/260ft lbs with .3 liters of displacement larger. Nice try, trying to be smart.
@0ukami Oh and to own you a bit more. You are now comparing a high compression n/a engine to a low compression turbo engine. I will say this. You will not, and can not build a more powerful n/a inline four than a k24a2 setup. Your ignorance is mind boggling too because who the fuck is talking about stock engines any way? Naturally aspirated you will not beat a k24a2 when comparing to other inline fours. Thats why the fastest n/a inline fours in the 1/4 run k24a2s... Run your mouth some more...
@zbshogun It's easy to say "Oh Honda has the fastest n/a inline 4's for the 1/4," but so what? No one else really makes n/a racing 4 cyl. And for good reason too, they're not great. If you want a perfect balance of power and weight, an all-aluminum i6, v6 or v8 is the best way to go, in all circumstances. That's why the NSX is a v6, the skyline and supra are i6, the corvette is a v8. The list goes on. These all pioneered their fields in racing, yet what has the 4 cyl civic or teg done? Nada.
@0ukami there is a low 8 second fwd civic that is not gutted out and it might be running high 7s this year, and there are all motor k series hondas that run 9 seconds.
You are retarded... Maybe they don't build fast n/a 4 cyliners b/c it's expensive, hard and takes a lot of precision. You think "they're not great" ha ok go tell that to tim grey after you watch his 10.6 second 1/4 n/a k24... To put you in your place again the fastest n/a v6 cant touch a 10.6 1/4 mile. (theoretically it could be done, but there are none that I'm aware of. And... in the standing mile there is no v6 that comes close to the 234mph record set by the 4g63. so you lose...
@0ukami Oh and to shit on your face again to add to what the 4cyl has done lets see, it's ran a 6.9 second 1/4 mile (look up the magnus 4g63 eclipse) Show me a v6 that does that. to set that into perspective for you kiddo the fastest tube chassis 2jz runs a 6.58. just .32 sec faster... lol "Honda motors are absolutely terrible aside from gas mileage." Haha So thats why they make the more power per liter of displacement than any other n/a internal combustion engine huh? (that includes Ferrari)
@zbshogun All the statistics you mentioned are in regards to turbocharged 4 cylinders, which are great. Brent Rau's 6 sec eclipse is godly. But you are trying to include them into N/A 220hp 4 cylinders off the production line... sorry but they don't stand up. Stock Hondas are weak compared to anything else stock, and modified they're even slower. Yeah you can have your little 10 second n/a Honda, I'll keep my 8 second 800hp single turbo 6. You're a retard. Try to learn something about this
@0ukami You know how i know you're gay? You just said you have an "8 second 800hp single turbo 6" which is such bull shit, and you know it. You fucking faggot. What the fuck is a turbo 6??? you mean a turbo inline 6? God damn you are dumb. You think that no other companys build n/a inline 4 cylinder engines, but in reality they almost all do. GM, Ford, Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan, Mazda, VW. One famous example that isn't a honda is the legendary 4A-G from the celica. Fuckin internet racer...
@zbshogun Lol you know nothing about cars, engines, or how they work. When you get shown up on your lack of knowledge you resort to name calling. Before I assumed you were an idiot, now you just confirmed it. Yes I have an RB26, stroked to 2.8 liters, using an HKS T04Z turbocharger. It is an 8-second capable car. Can you say that? No? Thought so. Guess what? Nissan's SR20VE makes 200+hp with boltons, using 30 year old technology. Better than most Honda's of the time. Know your stuff.
@0ukami bull shit... You have zero uploaded videos and nothing to back up that outrageous statement. I know that I would have tons of videos of my car if it was running 8 seconds powered by an rb26dett bored out to a 2.8L... You are so stupid to even think you could pull that shit. Please stick to the manga kid... It's pretty clear you live in a fantasy world. Oh, I like how you say no other companies make high revving n/a inline fours when I've already offered the 4A-G as exhibit A.
@0ukami SR20VE was not better than Honda motors "of the time". It was a 2.0L with only 190hp at the fly. This is less than some smaller Honda motor "of the time". I do not favor one make over the other, I build any motor no matter the make, but I believe Honda has better motors N/A than Nissan N/A v6 or I4. Honda has much better V8s than Nissan also. Just my 2 cents.
@buggar4466 Even you claim Honda has better motors than Nissan, Nissan still consistently makes better lap times around circuits, rally routes, and drag strips. That's all that matters. Just my 2 cents. Also, way to resurrect a dead post.
@0ukami Im not to keen on all models of the S15, but what year was production done on the S15 your talking about with an SR20DE with more than 240 N/A hp? But as you stated before, the SR20VE being better than Honda motors "of the time" I guess could be your opinion so for me to point out that it wasn't would just be my opinion. 200 N/A hp from a 2000 year is less than Honda motors...just my opinion. Anyway, both makes are not spectacular imo.
@buggar4466 Well, you did keep things civil. Thank you for that. The VE was around in the early 90's, around the same time as the B16 and early B18 models, so it wouldn't have competed with the B18C5 from the DC2R. In any case, since it is your OPINION that both aren't spectacular, I would agree with you, since I'm fond of FI or large displacement for N/A. And also that it is our opinions on which would be "better," I respect your opinion and will gladly leave it at that.
@0ukami You go off on tangients somewhat avoiding your previous statements... What s15 had 240hp N/A you claim is more powerful than the S2000 motor? The Variable valve engine of the SR20 (SR20VE) came out in 97 exactly the same year the DC5 B18C5 yet you say they cannot be compared. The B18C3 came out even sooner and still had 197hp. This is why I said your wrong about Nissan's SR20VE being more powerful than Hondas motors of the same time period. You did say that right?
@0ukami Quoting you ... " Nissan's SR20VE makes 200+hp with boltons, using 30 year old technology. Better than most Honda's of the time. Know your stuff."
Please let me know what car year you are referring. But your right, the SR20VE uses 30 year old tech but does NOT have more power than Honda motors of the same period. No opinion here, you clearly state that. You also clearly state "Know your stuff". I beginning the believe you dont yourself. Not trying to offend, just reflecting on you.
@buggar4466 Sorry to do this in front of everyone, but the wikipedia article you copied was misread by you. The F20C was not a mid-90's motor, nor did it have more hp N/A to the SR20DET from the same years. Even the Autech SR20DE from the S15 had more power, N/A. All in all, people say they make the best small displacement N/A motors, when really, they're pretty much the only ones. Compare it to domestic N/A and they get consistently beaten in the drag, and often on the circuit (corvettes).
@0ukami Dont be sorry..its just a debate right. Anyway, your straying from your comments earlier. Im not talking about corevettes, I have not said Honda makes the best NA motors, take those up with those that said it. I am talking about your statement that Nissan had more NA hp than Honda motors "of the same time" when they did not. I dont remember saying anything about Curcuit Racing. Honda doesnt focus on that but they do design motors for Audi and make motors for Formula Racing right?
LOL...I'll chime in on this.
The K20 is a great engine man. The applications its used in stock are terrible platforms which is why you dont see great numbers. Look up the arial atom or lotus elise with the K20 turbo or S/C swaps in them. For a 2.0L motor to push over 600whp is quite impressive. Yes the domestics are running faster times...its because their motors are more than 2x's in size and on a RWD platform which is better. Come on...dont be a douche :)
stwatson 4 months ago
is this a jmercado setup?
bigdaddy496 8 months ago
Whats the difference of this from jackson racing?
91DAintegraB20 9 months ago
What does the build consist of... Compression??cams??
Kswapeg15 11 months ago
407whp!!! aaaand 286ft/lbs of torque :D
Love the S/C, not impressed with the K engines :p
chabbalato 1 year ago
@chabbalato Yea, superchargers work wonders, mainly are larger displacements. Honda motors are absolutely terrible aside from gas mileage, the only reason they seem decent is because they're in light bodies.
0ukami 1 year ago
@0ukami
the fuck are you talking about, 14psi in a vw 8v would make about 220hp. hondas have some of the best motors designed for the price. the ports flow way better than a VW. the k20 head and k24 block can almost get 300 to the wheels with just intake, cam, headwork and a tune.
Dont see many street cars getting 300hp NA. im not offended here since i dont even own a worthy honda anymore but i just want to get some facts right,
wed3k 1 year ago
@wed3k Lol I never said anything about Volkswagens. They are inferior engines because they don't have decent torque. Having more torque (ft. lb. or kg.N) means that you have more power (hp or kW) earlier in the RPM range. A Honda engine compared with another engine of same power but more torque, will have less power at the same rpm as the other engine, which continues through the power band. This means they're bad for drag, and exiting turns on tracks. Essentially most racing applications.
0ukami 1 year ago
@0ukami You're an idiot. Tell that to the people that drag turbo b series and run 8 second passes on the 1/4 mile. What you is really just ignorant. Think about it. The b18c1,b18c5,k20a,k20a2,k20z1,k24a2, were all made to rev really high (obviously) so if you're racing you will almost constantly be in vtec and it doesn't matter if you make small numbers at low revs of the power band... Not to mention that i seriously doubt anyone can out torque the k24a2 these days...
zbshogun 1 year ago
@zbshogun LOL, that's why they're stuck in the 8 second range, while domestics are into the 6 seconds, and other Japanese companies like Nissan and Toyota are well into the low 7s. Think about it. If you know anything about the principles of how an engine works and derives power, you'd know that you accelerate in the high end of the powerband as well. This is where most engines will tend to taper off in power when there is insufficient torque.
0ukami 1 year ago
@0ukami You fail. First of all there are honda's that run in the 7's. There has been 4g63 4 cylender 2.0L engines from mitsubishi that have been running mid to low 6 second runs for over 5 years now... Additionally to correct some of your errors. There are 2jzgte's that run into the mid to low 6 seconds and also rb's that do the same... And if the honda's ran a rwd setup rather than fwd it'd get into the 6s. So its nothing to do with the engine. You lose...
zbshogun 1 year ago
@zbshogun All those engines you mentioned back up what I said: every other manufacturer makes better engines than Honda for racing. Also I laugh at the fact you think you owned me. It's not about comparing a high comp n/a to a low comp turbo, its about comparing two engines with similar sizes built for similar purposes: racing. I could build a 20hp 1 cylinder motor and claim it to be the God of all engines because its the best in its category, but so what? It's still a pos junk.
0ukami 1 year ago
@zbshogun And LOL, you think nobody can "out-torque" a 170 ft lb rated k24? Are you kidding me? Nissan's KA24 makes 160 ft lbs using a design almost 22 years old. And you think nothing else can out-torque it in the present. That just sealed the deal on your ignorance of anything mechanical-related. The SR20VET makes 280PS and around 279 ft. lbs of torque from the factory. The turbocharged K23 barely made 240hp/260ft lbs with .3 liters of displacement larger. Nice try, trying to be smart.
0ukami 1 year ago
@0ukami Oh and to own you a bit more. You are now comparing a high compression n/a engine to a low compression turbo engine. I will say this. You will not, and can not build a more powerful n/a inline four than a k24a2 setup. Your ignorance is mind boggling too because who the fuck is talking about stock engines any way? Naturally aspirated you will not beat a k24a2 when comparing to other inline fours. Thats why the fastest n/a inline fours in the 1/4 run k24a2s... Run your mouth some more...
zbshogun 1 year ago
@zbshogun It's easy to say "Oh Honda has the fastest n/a inline 4's for the 1/4," but so what? No one else really makes n/a racing 4 cyl. And for good reason too, they're not great. If you want a perfect balance of power and weight, an all-aluminum i6, v6 or v8 is the best way to go, in all circumstances. That's why the NSX is a v6, the skyline and supra are i6, the corvette is a v8. The list goes on. These all pioneered their fields in racing, yet what has the 4 cyl civic or teg done? Nada.
0ukami 1 year ago
@0ukami there is a low 8 second fwd civic that is not gutted out and it might be running high 7s this year, and there are all motor k series hondas that run 9 seconds.
chavier90 11 months ago
You are retarded... Maybe they don't build fast n/a 4 cyliners b/c it's expensive, hard and takes a lot of precision. You think "they're not great" ha ok go tell that to tim grey after you watch his 10.6 second 1/4 n/a k24... To put you in your place again the fastest n/a v6 cant touch a 10.6 1/4 mile. (theoretically it could be done, but there are none that I'm aware of. And... in the standing mile there is no v6 that comes close to the 234mph record set by the 4g63. so you lose...
zbshogun 11 months ago
@0ukami Oh and to shit on your face again to add to what the 4cyl has done lets see, it's ran a 6.9 second 1/4 mile (look up the magnus 4g63 eclipse) Show me a v6 that does that. to set that into perspective for you kiddo the fastest tube chassis 2jz runs a 6.58. just .32 sec faster... lol "Honda motors are absolutely terrible aside from gas mileage." Haha So thats why they make the more power per liter of displacement than any other n/a internal combustion engine huh? (that includes Ferrari)
zbshogun 11 months ago
@zbshogun All the statistics you mentioned are in regards to turbocharged 4 cylinders, which are great. Brent Rau's 6 sec eclipse is godly. But you are trying to include them into N/A 220hp 4 cylinders off the production line... sorry but they don't stand up. Stock Hondas are weak compared to anything else stock, and modified they're even slower. Yeah you can have your little 10 second n/a Honda, I'll keep my 8 second 800hp single turbo 6. You're a retard. Try to learn something about this
0ukami 11 months ago
@0ukami You know how i know you're gay? You just said you have an "8 second 800hp single turbo 6" which is such bull shit, and you know it. You fucking faggot. What the fuck is a turbo 6??? you mean a turbo inline 6? God damn you are dumb. You think that no other companys build n/a inline 4 cylinder engines, but in reality they almost all do. GM, Ford, Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan, Mazda, VW. One famous example that isn't a honda is the legendary 4A-G from the celica. Fuckin internet racer...
zbshogun 10 months ago
@zbshogun Lol you know nothing about cars, engines, or how they work. When you get shown up on your lack of knowledge you resort to name calling. Before I assumed you were an idiot, now you just confirmed it. Yes I have an RB26, stroked to 2.8 liters, using an HKS T04Z turbocharger. It is an 8-second capable car. Can you say that? No? Thought so. Guess what? Nissan's SR20VE makes 200+hp with boltons, using 30 year old technology. Better than most Honda's of the time. Know your stuff.
0ukami 10 months ago
@0ukami bull shit... You have zero uploaded videos and nothing to back up that outrageous statement. I know that I would have tons of videos of my car if it was running 8 seconds powered by an rb26dett bored out to a 2.8L... You are so stupid to even think you could pull that shit. Please stick to the manga kid... It's pretty clear you live in a fantasy world. Oh, I like how you say no other companies make high revving n/a inline fours when I've already offered the 4A-G as exhibit A.
zbshogun 10 months ago
@0ukami SR20VE was not better than Honda motors "of the time". It was a 2.0L with only 190hp at the fly. This is less than some smaller Honda motor "of the time". I do not favor one make over the other, I build any motor no matter the make, but I believe Honda has better motors N/A than Nissan N/A v6 or I4. Honda has much better V8s than Nissan also. Just my 2 cents.
Carry on making fools of yourselfves.
buggar4466 4 months ago
@buggar4466 Even you claim Honda has better motors than Nissan, Nissan still consistently makes better lap times around circuits, rally routes, and drag strips. That's all that matters. Just my 2 cents. Also, way to resurrect a dead post.
0ukami 4 months ago
@0ukami Im not to keen on all models of the S15, but what year was production done on the S15 your talking about with an SR20DE with more than 240 N/A hp? But as you stated before, the SR20VE being better than Honda motors "of the time" I guess could be your opinion so for me to point out that it wasn't would just be my opinion. 200 N/A hp from a 2000 year is less than Honda motors...just my opinion. Anyway, both makes are not spectacular imo.
buggar4466 4 months ago
@buggar4466 Well, you did keep things civil. Thank you for that. The VE was around in the early 90's, around the same time as the B16 and early B18 models, so it wouldn't have competed with the B18C5 from the DC2R. In any case, since it is your OPINION that both aren't spectacular, I would agree with you, since I'm fond of FI or large displacement for N/A. And also that it is our opinions on which would be "better," I respect your opinion and will gladly leave it at that.
0ukami 4 months ago
@0ukami You go off on tangients somewhat avoiding your previous statements... What s15 had 240hp N/A you claim is more powerful than the S2000 motor? The Variable valve engine of the SR20 (SR20VE) came out in 97 exactly the same year the DC5 B18C5 yet you say they cannot be compared. The B18C3 came out even sooner and still had 197hp. This is why I said your wrong about Nissan's SR20VE being more powerful than Hondas motors of the same time period. You did say that right?
buggar4466 4 months ago
@0ukami Quoting you ... " Nissan's SR20VE makes 200+hp with boltons, using 30 year old technology. Better than most Honda's of the time. Know your stuff."
Please let me know what car year you are referring. But your right, the SR20VE uses 30 year old tech but does NOT have more power than Honda motors of the same period. No opinion here, you clearly state that. You also clearly state "Know your stuff". I beginning the believe you dont yourself. Not trying to offend, just reflecting on you.
buggar4466 4 months ago
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buggar4466 4 months ago
@0ukami Sorry, forgot to post examples.
B18C 200hp (97-00)
K20A 220hp (2007)
K20A 212hp (2001)
K20A 260hp (Mugen 2002)
K20A 240hp (Mugen 2006)
F20B 197hp (Honda Station Wagon mid 90s)
K23 240hp/260trq turbo would be comparable to an SR20DET right?
Oddly though, the mid 90s motor (F20C) had more HP N/A than the SR20DET boosted. Right?
buggar4466 4 months ago
@buggar4466 Sorry to do this in front of everyone, but the wikipedia article you copied was misread by you. The F20C was not a mid-90's motor, nor did it have more hp N/A to the SR20DET from the same years. Even the Autech SR20DE from the S15 had more power, N/A. All in all, people say they make the best small displacement N/A motors, when really, they're pretty much the only ones. Compare it to domestic N/A and they get consistently beaten in the drag, and often on the circuit (corvettes).
0ukami 4 months ago
@0ukami Dont be sorry..its just a debate right. Anyway, your straying from your comments earlier. Im not talking about corevettes, I have not said Honda makes the best NA motors, take those up with those that said it. I am talking about your statement that Nissan had more NA hp than Honda motors "of the same time" when they did not. I dont remember saying anything about Curcuit Racing. Honda doesnt focus on that but they do design motors for Audi and make motors for Formula Racing right?
buggar4466 4 months ago
What all do you have done to the motor and what all is with your twin screw setup?
farmboyrsx 1 year ago
T,
I <3 you.
-TK
bibfortunafish 2 years ago
thats sick power, absolutely sick
bsivoljr 2 years ago
pretty good for a supercharger on an RSX. I have a turbo RSX
MaddDogg81 2 years ago
thats pretty good power
cocx88 2 years ago