Even Fox News Focus Group Goes to Obama

[jejojassy76]

"Coming up next I get the dick surgically removed from my mouth so you can actually make out what the fuck I am saying. Back in a minute."

[MacAppleJack]

LOL!!!!!

[unclemeat2u]

McCain

got

spanked

cause

he was

out

ranked

[bubblemortalgragon]

Fuck off! Go to Russia you losers....

[alexsep82]

who accused obama of being a Muslim?? who said he was a smoker??? where did they joked about killing him??? where did they call him a terrorist fist bumb?? what other channel would have an anti obama show like Hannity's America??? give me a break , fox is a bias piece of shit.

[3palominos]

The True Obama

watch?v=t7fi8STNlxM

[3palominos]

Read and weep...over your pay stub:

aim . org / aim-report / barack-obamas-global-tax-propo sal /

[3palominos]

From AIM Report:

"Obamas Global Poverty Act is...a sweeping step toward socialism & one-world government. When we look beyond the seductive title...read the actual contents, we discover that Obama & Biden are setting America up for imposition of a global tax, controlled by the UN. For the 1st time, the U.S. could be forced to adopt a global tax at the behest of an international body. The planned amount is 0.7% of Americas GNP or $65B per yr, on top of U.S.' current foreign aid budget."

[jejojassy76]

Remove the energy source and the predator dies. Remove your tax dollars and the waste will stop. I haven't paid since 03, I encourage you to do the same.

[3palominos]

Soon, ALL Americans will be taking care of the world:

S.2433 - The U.S. Senate soon could debate whether you, your spouse and each of your children as well as your in-laws, parents, grandparents, neighbors & everyone else in America EACH will spend $2,500 or more to reduce poverty around the world.

The plan sponsored by Sen. Barack Obama is estimated to cost the U.S. some $845 BILLION over the coming few years in an effort to raise the standard of living around the globe.

[3palominos]

An Aug. 20 Battleground Poll reveals that 60% of Americans consistently classify themselves as "conservative."

No one in that category will be able to pull that lever or touch that button for an elitist egalitarian.

[introvertical71]

Who am I kidding ... Obama is already manipulating the media ...

This fraud defines "Cult of personality"...

Run along and vote for your Messiah...

Drones.

[mowriter]

Who's a drone? You still call yourself a "DITTOHEAD", you hypocrite?

[introvertical71]

I guess you lose huh?

[mowriter]

how so, because you write like you're foaming at the mouth?

You've already lost, lost the ability to see rationally beyond your party's own marching orders.

[introvertical71]

Because I claim myself conservative, you assume that I'm Republican? LoL! Ok.

You're the one with the "marching orders" NOT me. McCain wasn't my choice. Keep your "CHANGE". Most people can take care of themselves. Life is not fair - A truth that even your Marxist Messiah can't change. Expecting "Rich White People" to pay for the woes of the world is ridiculous to me. This country already has the 2nd highest corporate tax in the world. Obama wants to raise it? In this unstable economy? Unreal.

[introvertical71]

FUCK Obama's SHIT judgment!

I can't believe his campaign is still preaching that BULLSHIT!

Obama's judgment is waaaaay beyond bad!

Hussein Jr. is a Marxist/Socialist hybrid that will attempt to manipulate the media & our childs educations. He's an anti-2nd ammendment/pro-abortion/infant­icide/pro-welfare state/anti-Capitalist/small business destroying ... pinko!

Welcome to "New Russia" bitches.

Enjoy your indoctrination!

[mowriter]

Dude, seriously, re-apply the tinfoil, some cracks are letting the microwaves in.

Breathe. Stap bak, and try to get some perspective, seriously.

[Sondakhan]

The fact that Obama was on some committee, along with many other people including Republicans, with a guy who long ago was involved in something stupid and illegal and which Obama has repudiated, is not news, no matter how much Faux News flogs it. The fact that McCain presently admires the "principles and philosophies" of one of the primary and unrepentant Watergate criminals (who has admitted to plotting bombings and murder, and advocates killing federal officials) is news.

[Kerpal2253]

Frank Luntz is such a Liar, you know everyone in that room started with Republican Bias. Those where not unbiased people. Never trust a focus group where Luntz is running the show. If you look at the ones he ran during the GOP primary he flat out argues with the focus group whether or not R. Paul had one.

[mowriter]

Kerpal: Did you support Luntz's numbers when he shilled for Republians? Or are you consistent in hating him, no matter who he comes out favoring?

[3palominos]

Obama's fightin' for the workin' man:

watch?v=Sqis9mRcWl4

[3palominos]

Egalitarianism rests on the principle that people are not responsible for themselves. It is not a poor persons fault that he is poor; nor do the rich deserve their wealth. The opposing view need not hold that everything is in a persons control. Luck can play a part in wealth and poverty. Nevertheless, no two people react the same way in the same circumstances. A persons perceptiveness, judgment, and ambition play a large part in his fortunes. - Richman

[seeking911]

Nicely said. I like the quote. It's very neat.

[3palominos]

It is bad enough that the administrators of the welfare state are moved by a hatred of ability. The greater tragedy is that they poison the minds of the constituency they so desperately need. Instead of the poor learning to admire the productive and aspire to be like them, they are taught by the system that their poverty is caused by others affluence. They learn to resent achievement and to prefer seeing the achievers dragged down. That is all the welfare state can bring about. - Richman

[mowriter]

interesting quote. Doesn't align with the banking crisis of late, nor of the earliest Christian model of shared wealth in the Church.

Achievement is fine, but without consideration of the poor among us, they will eventually outnumber us, and even our gated communities won't stop the pitchforked mob...solving nothing, I grant you.

Care for the poor IS in the wealthy's best interest, ultimately. And yes, do it by instilling work ethic, 100% agree.

[3palominos]

Sorry, but the Dems are eternal pessimists. They want our children to believe the American dream is a scam...that hard work & dedication will achieve nothing...sucking the federal teat is the only path to "equality."

Perpetual victimhood. Pathetic.

[3palominos]

Spin, spin, spin....

I supposed GWB special-ordered "Ike," too -- and here, I thought he LIKED Texas.

Stop regurgitating your spoon-fed liberal gruel and exercise an original thought.

It will liberate you.

[mowriter]

3palo: no worries about original thinking from liberals. We don't call ourselves DITTOHEADS, we tend to be more travelled...OUTSIDE the USA...and we tend to be better educated.

You on the other hand have been hoodwinked by the also-intelligent but brutally cynical Right, who hates your guts while scamming your vote. But they knew flag waving and maybe Jesus talking would be all it takes.

You, sir, are the regurgitator. Try considering another POV some time, the world will thank you.

[3palominos]

Remember the Enron scandal - you know, Clinton's buddy Ken Lay, who slept in the Lincoln bedroom? - or the bursting of the Y2K bubble, perhaps? or even the 9/11 terror attacks, so many of you conveniently forget?

Of course not - it's ALL GWB's fault; he special-ordered Katrina and Ike, too.

The markets are already jittery. An increased cap gains tax, resulting in diminished returns, will ensure the market is even less appealing to investors.

Not a big picture kinda guy, are you?

[mowriter]

3pal: dude, what PLANET are you on? Lay was cozy to BUSH. 9-11 was on BUSH'S watch, real, noteworthy drops in the market came upon news of Bush being GIVEN the presidency...prior to that the uncertainty after the Lewinsky debacle also caused a drop--time and time again Republicans doing this nation harm in the name of advancing their party at the expense of the nation.

[telephusion]

Since 1929, Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the presidency for nearly 40 years. ... As of Friday, a $10,000 investment in the S.& P. stock market index would have grown to $11,733 if invested under Republican presidents only ... Invested under Democratic presidents only, $10,000 would have grown to $300,671 at a compound rate of 8.9 percent over nearly 40 years.

Source: 20081014 article entitled: "Bulls, Bears, Donkeys and Elephants" (just google title; YouTube bans URLs.)

[mowriter]

Clinton famously said, "If you want to LIVE like a REPUBLICAN...you need to VOTE DEMOCRAT!"

[introvertical71]

Obama says he'd be 2 or 3 points higher in the polls if there were no FOX news ... I LAUGHED ... and LAUGHED WELL.

How 'bout this...

If there were no mainstream Liberal media... AKA Obamaganda - (MSNBC/CNN/ABC/CBS/TABLOID TV/The VIEW & so on) McCain would be 20 points ahead.

"Obamaganda" ... hehehe ... that's good.

[mowriter]

Faux News is an abomination; the job of news is to inform the citizenry of the goings-on of our government.  REAL media does that; Faux instead affirms white male fears and prejudices, harming our democracy in the process.

A better question you should ask is WHY does the mainstream media bring attention to corporate malfeasance, and WHAT ELSE is it when those corp.'s use their $ to disparage the messenger...but a means to continue harming our nation to benefit themselves?

You've been fooled.

[introvertical71]

No, you've been fooled. If you think that the liberal media reports the whole story ... you're in denial.

Obama blames FOX? PLEASE... Talk about "out of touch". Why doesn't he point blame at himself? He's the one who decided it was a good idea to follow a Marxist cult. It was his decision to politically invlove himself with Communist terrorists. The guy has DONE NOTHING AS A SENATOR! It would stand to reason that people are judging him by his advisors, mentors, and political associations.

[mowriter]

intro: simple question--WHO owns the media? Not liberal non-profit organizations. For-Profit parent corp's. So I agree the media doesn't report the whole story...it's in fact more conservative than you even realize. Shows how far our free press has fallen.

[introvertical71]

The media is "owned" by the almighty dollar! As are the VAST MAJORITY of our politicians. Which is exactly why OBAMA SAID & DID NOTHING about Freddie/Fannie. He was padding his pockets with funds from these corrupt orporations!

"Free press" means that there might be a news network that doesn't cater to your liberal ideology... You need to deal with it. A canidate that accepts money from Marxists/Felons & Communist terrorists, is considered news. What EXACTLY is your problem with FOX NEWS?

[mowriter]

introvert: you crafted my retort for me, and it seems we agree in some ways.

When money can SWAY a press, that press is no longer a free press. And Fox is by far the worst in terms of being swayed by wealthy corporate interests, namely it's parent company, AND an apologist for the current (failed) administration.

Now CBS NBC etc. are also subsumed by monied interests, so any pretense of liberalism is a mirage. YOU, and I both, need to get news from multiple, broad diverse sources, instead.

[introvertical71]

You never answered MY question.

What exactly is your problem with "FAUX NEWS"?

Is what they report not "news" to you?

ACORN is not news? Obama's political link to Ayers? NOT "news"?

Answer me this. If McCain were linked to a former abortion clinic bomber... would you consider that news? How about if McCain were involved with a church group that was accused of voter fraud? Would you consider that news?

FOX provides a side of the story that the other cable news networks overlook.

[mowriter]

My problem with Faux news is twofold:

1. News from the network that brought you "When Animals Attack". Cheap, exploitative ratings grabbers that could care less for any sort of "integrity".

2. Parroting the administration: Under Clinton, Faux AT LEAST stood as the voice of OPPOSITION. Now they're the mouthpiece of the govt.

BUT...huge admission...Faux is merely more open-faced about it. Truth is all US networks are corporate-owned, so PURE free press is not on TV right now.

[introvertical71]

"When animals attack"? please...

That's FOX entertainment. FOX NEWS IS a separate entity. Please give an example of a FOX NEWS "cheap ratings grabber" that wasn't real news. These people that say that Ayers is a "non-issue" really need their heads checked. The guy is an x-terrorist with NO REGRETS. He's a Marxist that believes the U.S. Government is the most opressive force in the world. What's more, is that Obama has an strange history of being "mentored" & "advised" by some famous Marxists.

[introvertical71]

Mo-Why don't you just admit to yourself that the real problem you have with FOX, is that it's a right slanted network. Is what MSNBC broadcasts "NEWS" to you? Troopergate? Todd Palin's early 80's DWI??? The New York Times reporting on Cindy McCains 1980's pill popping addiction? Gimme a break! Is that bullshit news worthy?

Why is it, that Liberals are all for left slanted freedom of press & speech, but when the right voices an opposition, it's "propaganda"?

[introvertical71]

"Now they're the mouthpiece of the govt."

Last time I checked, the "govt." was made up of two parties.

I may grant you that FOX is a mouth piece for the right. But so what? What is NBC? Please explain to me where the leftist fear of an opposing view is coming from? It's apparent to me that many "Liberals" want censorship of the opposition. FREEDOM of SPEECH/PRESS means FREEDOM TO ALL!

about 50% (maybe more) of the U.S. lean right. We get about 10% of the MS-media! What's your beef?

[Ionic457]

FUCK YOU FRANK

[Nuanceqwest]

Ionic457

Hey dont shoot the messenger, or Obama.

[MaxxG]

i bet fox new is pissed off with this report airing on their show.

[Hotshortie]

Undecided Voters went for Obama !!!

When you talk real important bread & butter issues, Obama wins hands down.

We have 18 days to make Barack Obama the next President of the United States!

Work hard and explain Obama's positions. Don't get side tracked by their hate speak and lies about Obama.

[lestliness]

Can Brit Hume still be considered a living and breathing human being? Is that guy actually alive?

[baddmanaz]

the least he could have done was say "this is a good night for barack HUSSEIN obama". :S

[seeking911]

My name is INDIA MONIQUE MANUEL. My last name is Spanish. My middle name is french. My first name; well, my mom was being uniquely creative. Does this mean that I'm not AMERICAN. Or does that mean I should be taunted for the rest of my life because of it. Or does it mean that you shouldn't just a name anyway. How dumb is that? If I was a native american, then i shouldn't trust a man name Andrew Jackson, right? GET REAL!!!!!

[seeking911]

Sorry!! I meant that *you shouldn't just judge a name*

[baddmanaz]

no need to apologize, india.

i hear u.

i was jus being sarcastic. i respect obama and my other fellow americans worth their salt, no matter what their names!

[seeking911]

Then on that note, I will respect you always;)

[IHS7]

He said "They are Undecided". If thats true, then how can he then ask "Did anyone Switch Their Position?" Yet earlier on this same forum, 2 men said that they would vote for McCain.

[artmeisterfunk]

No, what he said was 2 people thought McCain had done a better job early in the debate. In the end he asked if any one had switched from their position, which was undecided. You can argue that undecided is not a position and he should have asked if anyone had made up their mind, but it was obvious what he meant.

[bcbock]

Barack Obama peed in Brit's cornflakes.

[baddmanaz]

leave britney alone. lol.

[time4realchange]

OBAMA WON THE DEBATE BIG TIME!

McCAIN YOU CAN GO AND RETIRE WITH BUSH NOW OK.

WE DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR WRINKLY OLD NASTY ASS EVER AGAIN.

VOTE OBAMA BIDEN 2008 YES WE CAN

YES WE WILL

[brian8793]

I thought of all the annoying things I could do on youtube, and writing with the CAPS ON IS NUMBER 1!

[gondere]

LOL

[dareal05]

LOLOL - It's over for McCain's campaign.

[3palominos]

Charitable Donations:

Bush - 2007: $165,660 (18% of income)

Cheney - 2007: $166,547 (5.5% of income).

Obama - 2000 thru 2004: Earned $200,000-$300,000 per year and donated LESS THAN 1% percent of income. When income soared to $4.2 million in 2007, contributions went up to 5% (Should giving to Wright's church count as "charitable"?)

Biden - 2007: $995 (0.3%). Over the past 10 years, Biden gave $3,690 (0.1%).

[themango90]

Notice 3palominos is the ONLY person defending John McCain here. He sure is posting a lot, but he's the ONLY person.

Here he comes, to reply to this post by ATTACKING Barack Obama and Joe Biden! Because that's all he has -- and it's all John McCain has!

You want to know the real difference between Obama and McCain?

Obama's going to become president, and McCain isn't.

[MidnightChimes]

Good news for Obama...and better news for Fox News. They just got 4 years of crushing negative stories on Obama and high rating.

Fox News is BACK!!!!!!!!!!

[Carolab]

This should tell you something. This election overwhelmingly belongs to Obama. Should the Republicans try to steal it again, through disenfranchisement and rigged Republican-owned and operated machines, it should be so patently obvious that no one will take it lying down.

[themango90]

Notice 3palominos is the ONLY person defending John McCain here. He sure is posting a lot, but he's the ONLY person.

Here he comes, to reply to this post by ATTACKING Barack Obama and Joe Biden! Because that's all he has -- and it's all John McCain has!

You want to know the real difference between Obama and McCain?

Obama's going to become president, and McCain isn't.

[telephusion]

Since 1929, Republicans and Democrats have each controlled the presidency for nearly 40 years. ... As of Friday, a $10,000 investment in the S.& P. stock market index would have grown to $11,733 if invested under Republican presidents only ... Invested under Democratic presidents only, $10,000 would have grown to $300,671 at a compound rate of 8.9 percent over nearly 40 years.

Source: 20081014 article entitled: "Bulls, Bears, Donkeys and Elephants" (just google title; YouTube bans URLs.)

[3palominos]

Ah, yes...conveniently forgetting all of the crises due to economics (Enron scandal, Y2K bubble), terror attacks (9/11), natural disasters, etc.

Presidents don't get to pick and choose those.

[telephusion]

I believe a progressive tax system is the best of all the alternatives. Those who profit the most from our economic system should be willing, and are certainly able, to pay the most for keeping that system in operation.

[3palominos]

Can you tell that to Joe Biden, please?

From the Washington Times:

Democratic vice-presidential candidate Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. has paid more than $2 million in campaign cash to his family members, their businesses and employers over the years, a practice that watchdogs criticize as rife with potential conflicts of interest.

As if Biden's paltry charitable donation record weren't bad enough... $3,690 in 10 years. Now, he's funneled $2 million in campaign cash to his family.

[animes2k]

"Potential" conflicts of interest. From the Washington Times, an undisputed crap rag of intellectual dishonesty and partisan "journalism."

How much have you made and how much have you contributed to charity?

[3palominos]

Throughout my entire adult life, I've consistently contributed 5x the national average of 2% of one's income. At one point, Obama's and Biden's COMBINED charitable giving did not even equal the national average.

[animes2k]

You've given 10% of your income to charity and you're complaining about a 1% tax increase? So you have no problem with the needy getting your money if you give it directly. How very much the opposite of everything you've posted here.

TEN PERCENT? Bullshit.

[3palominos]

That's right...it is, after all, MY money and MY right to decide to which qualifying CHARITY it is directed...NOT the government's right to TAKE it and funnel it into federal programs that have been proven to be corrupt and useless.

And, yeah, you probably can't imagine setting aside 10% of YOUR income to charitable donations....I'm not surprised.

Dems are all about "Gimme, gimme, gimme..."

[thebirdgirl]

Actually, it is the government's right. That's what taxes are.

It's your right to decide who you think should be in charge of that money.

Living in society has a cost, and while I applaud you for your selflessness in giving, each person deciding for themselves what they want to support is just not a reasonable solution. Governments, though not the most efficient beasts in the world are able to judge what spending best reflects the needs and beliefs of the citizenry as a whole.

Not just you.

[TheIllegit]

The argument is for smaller government, not the elimination of government. Of course government has legitimate functions that need to be funded by the whole for the benefit of the whole. Those functions are defense, courts and police. Virtually everything else is government overstepping it's bounds. ANd Obama isn't just for big government, he's for massive government. And he's going to pay for it with other people's money who should be allowed to do what they want with what is theirs.

[artmeisterfunk]

Yeah, like those CEOs from Lehman and Bear Sterns who screwed America over and walked away with billions... why should they have to pay any taxes after they worked so hard to steal it? Or the oil industry who have brought our economy to it's knees while raking in record profits, they need another big McCain tax cut!

[3palominos]

Well...hold on to your wallet, then, because NOBODY BUT NOBODY knows how to make money like Warren Buffett...and this time he'll have the Fed. in his pocket, and a fat wallet filled with YOUR increased Obama tax payments, to play with.

TAX INCREASES TRICKLE DOWN, TOO....dontcha know?

[TheIllegit]

They made money. If they broke laws, bring charges against them. If they did it by bamboozling idiots, be sad that you're an idiot. Yay them. boo you.

[volumptuous]

Lies.

FAIL

[shinryoko]

10%? Sounds like modern-day tithing. Here's a thought, friend: back when the Church held sway, tithing was a quasipolitical arrangement, and revenue was distributed w/o consulting the congregation. Folks didn't decide for themselves what the Church did with the funds.

And they were fine with that.

Why is it so hard to understand that taxation isn't about wealth redistribution, but about shared costs? The incentivization properties of tax dollars are as important as their nominal worth.

[TheIllegit]

A good argument for a flat/fair tax. i.e. the exact opposite of the highly graduated tax brackets Obama wants to introduce. Please keep track of your own arguments better. You don't even know when you're spouting ultra-conservative talking points. Embarassing.

[telephusion]

As a businessman (continuously operating my own ventures since 1977) I can easily say my best profit years were under Democratic administrations. Democrats provide a far superior business climate for innovators and entrepreneurs, and for new economy industries like IT, renewable energy, and generally "creative" sectors. Republicans are generally better for dinosaur businesses, like coal, oil, chemicals, armaments, ranching, mining, and generally "extractive" industries.

[3palominos]

You would be an exception in my opinion.

For obvious reasons, the IT industry soared leading up to the Y2K software crisis/bubble. Of course, there WAS that nasty Microsoft suit and all those IT jobs outsourced to India/Indonesia during the Y2K bubble...and many are still there.

Obama's increased taxes will cause more to leave.

[3palominos]

Furthermore, Obama's proposed INCREASE of the capital gains tax will send jobs overseas as opposed to helping America's middle class.

74% of U.S. CEOs believe Obama would be detrimental to the business economy. Even after the bailout, markets are uneasy...waiting, watching...to see if they need to sell-off before the tax is imposed and/or relocate their businesses to countries with less than a 35% business tax.

Get the big picture.

[gays4mccaindotcom]

I'm with you 3palominos. We're not getting the whole picture.

And I think FOX was duped. These are Barack Hussein Obama plants in this so-called "undecided" audience.

Like all the polls, this will all shake out on election day with THE TRUTH.

[animes2k]

Your bigotry is showing.

[3palominos]

Really? Our current tax scale requires the wealthy to pay the most and is a disincentive to businesses/employers.

Life's not guaranteed to be "fair" (and it's not our government's job to decide what is or is not). Some people make the most of life; some don't.

A great example of someone who rose from utter poverty to become one of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world is....shhhh....a black(!).....shhhh....woman(!) .....Oprah.

Anything is possible in the USA.

[animes2k]

"So and so" did it so everyone should be able to do it!

Your flawed logic is amusing.

[3palominos]

If so-and-so DID do it, why can't anyone?

You're making excuses.

[3palominos]

The federal income tax is indisputably progressive and is unfairly intended to redistribute income, and that is exactly what it does.

Now, Obama wants to skew it even more.

[3palominos]

The "rich" pay income taxes at a GREATER RATE than they earn. The "poorest" quintile gets 4% of income but pays -2% of fed. income taxes - NEGATIVE because most qualify for the Earned Inc. Tax Credit. The top 1/5 garners 53% of income but shells out 80% of the income tax. And the richest 1% of taxpayers receives 16% of income but pays 1/3 of fed. income taxes. Therefore, the "richest" end up with a smaller share than they started with, while the "poorer" end up with more.

[animes2k]

That's the "ability to pay" model in tax theory. It's the most effective way to ensuring that you get the most consistent revenues, as you charge more taxes to those who can pay.

Shorting the middle class (engine of our economy) shorts the US economy. Look at where it's gotten us so far!

People in the top 5% do not NEED a tax cut. If you make $300k you don't have trouble buying groceries.

[seeking911]

You got that right. My mom is working a 9 to 5 job and barely making it with this bad economy. my mom and I don't eat until the younger kids does. By the end of that, we have scraps. I have a cyst in my leg. Cut it out myself. Didn't want to go to the hospital because we don't have insurance. Don't want my mom losing everything. McCain don't have anything that will benefit us. Obama does. My mom can't pay insurance out of her pocket. She barely can pay for gas. So, my mom vote is going to Obama!

[3palominos]

Obama's philosophy...evidenced by his RECORD and PROPOSED POLICIES.

[Greenandscaly]

Can ANYONE look at McCain-Palin and honestly admit to themselves that McCain and Palin have the intelligence, temperament and energy to help lift this country out of the worst economic meltdown since the Great Depression?

[IAintSedIsht]

Everybody stop being so mean to

3palominos! Can't you see he cares about charity?? Let him enjoy his last 18 days before Satanic Uncharitable Muslim Terrorist, Barack Hussein Obama seizes power and makes us all wear veils.

[IAintSedIsht]

3palominos, OMG you've never been so insulted in your life, before that reprehensible monster said those awful things!

Try not to faint ok buddy, esp in Nov....

[themango90]

You want to know the real difference between Barack Obama and John McCain?

Barack Obama's going to become President, and John McCain isn't.

[BigSleepyOx]

I know that this result breaks Brit's heart, but I give props to Luntz for telling the truth even if it upsets his employer Fox. :p

[masterhook]

and your point is... what?

[3palominos]

Your Saviour doesn't believe so much in giving of his own to needy Americans. He does, however, believe in giving of YOURS and MINE to 3rd world countries (Global Poverty Act, $845 BILLION U.S. taxpayer dollars).

Here's a link to the article providing the public charitable record information and supporting the FACT that conservatives are generally much more charitable then liberals.

townhall . com / columnists / LarryElder/ 2008/10/09/ in_defense_of_the_rich?page=2

[themango90]

...And this has what to do with being President?

[3palominos]

Presidents should lead by example.

Clearly, Obama's RHETORIC is trumped by his RECORD.

[thesunneversets]

bush and cheney are WAAAY wealthier than their presidential and vice presidential salaries would lead you do believe. They're both very well-connected in the boards of directors of the biggest corporations in America. They probably give to soothe their aching consciences, and they probably give to charities that their friends administer so that they'll get a favor down the line.

[3palominos]

Hilarious..you cannot defend Obama's and Biden's greed...so you attack those who actually give more (as opposed to less than the national charitable average) for either the amounts they give or the reasons behind it.

It's really hard to spin public record.

[thesunneversets]

I mean, what you're saying makes sense, but we're talking about Bush and Cheney here... probably the least trustworthy people in the entire country.

[3palominos]

Again...facts are facts. Biden's funneling U.S. citizens' campaign contributions to his family members is a crime. The man claims paying more in taxes is patriotic, but he obviously does NOT believe charitable giving to be patriotic.

Instead, public theft is.

[themango90]

I'm saying, accurately, that there are many, MANY way more important aspects to being President than how much one gives to charity.

McCain and Palin should be commended for how much they've given to charity. Seriously, it's impressive. But it doesn't change the fact that they'd be a continuation of the disastrous policies of George W. Bush. End of story.

[3palominos]

One aspect is HONESTY.

Will Obama repudiate Biden's actions?

[themango90]

Will McCain repudiate his negative campaign that his helping further his death spiral?

No one wants to support a loser, and McCain's about to LOSE. End of story.

[themango90]

And by death spiral, I mean his campaign's Death Spiral, he's going to have a healthy career in the US senate for the next few decades , more power to him for that.

But, you want to know the real difference between Barack Obama and John McCain?

Barack Obama's going to become President, and John McCain isn't.

[3palominos]

I'm sorry...WHO is spending a historically high amount on NEGATIVE CAMPAIGNING? Who mentioned nothing of stopping his negative campaign ads or even repudiating an abhorrent comment from a fellow Dem politician?

[themango90]

Obama = spending more on negative advertising because he has more money to spend overall than poor McCain, who no one wants to donate to. 3 out of 10 of his ads were negative according you independent study.

McCain = 100%, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of his ads from Oct. 8-Oct 15 were negative according to an independent study.

But, you want to know the real difference between Barack Obama and John McCain?

Barack Obama's going to become President, and John McCain isn't.

[themango90]

You may feel that way, but do you want to know the real difference between Barack Obama and John McCain?

Barack Obama's going to become President, and John McCain isn't.

[3palominos]

Be sure to up your meds prior to Nov. 4.

I care about you...unlike Barack.

[sepsisXIII]

An elitist with one car, one house, one wife... eh?

[3palominos]

Philosophy is egalitarianism:

The redistributionists don't just want to give their money, they want to give other people's money away. Specifically, they want to take money from those that have earned it, and give it to those that haven't.

Redistribution of wealth is an attack on the successful, and a subsidy to the unsuccessful. Egalitarians aim to achieve equality by bringing down the successful to their level.

As if our progressive tax code wasn't already accomplishing it...

[animes2k]

The trickle down philosophy has yet to actually trickle down. There has been a redistribution going on for many years. It's been going from the shrinking middle class to the people at the top.

Who will pay "more?" Those making over $250k/yr. And only as much "more" as reverting the Bush tax cuts will bring as that is exactly Obama's plan. As is increasing the capital gains tax to Clinton-era levels.

The investor class has been raping this country for far too long.

[3palominos]

Get to know your tax code.

[Lungyao1]

Do not attack Rev. Wrights church. That is wrong.

[WashingtonBeUpInThis]

No one cares. Seriously. Just start dealing with the fact that Blinky and Winky are going to lose.

[seeking911]

Blinky and winky? Wow, that's funny? That is so true. McCain can't look Obama in the face and Palin tried to use her sex appeal. Sorry honey. It DIDN'T work. Go BO!!!!

[masterhook]

and now much has McCain give his friends and family over the last 20 years. you have no point there that will change peoples minds.

[3palominos]

OMG -- spin, spin, spin.

STEALING campaign cash makes one a criminal.

[pnp2k6]

Love it!  Brit seemed displeased.