KDE SC 4.4 Preview (Part II)

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[c0deMunkey]

kde is such a mess, i am amazed that anyone can actually use it at all.

[Zero23344]

Much more impressive than Gnome 3 Shell.

[trancaothai]

too much blue, don't you think ?

[GIMPMan1972]

@trancaothai KDE SC 4.4 has a different wallpaper than in the video because the video was recorded, pre-beta. The wallpaper you see is default in KDE SC 4.3.

[WatchingViking]

stick to windows 7

[walter0bz]

@WatchingViking .. if you want to keep sucking bill's cock

[daraikenu]

I've updated Kubuntu 9.10 to KDE 4.4...so far no problems, I'm loving it...

I kinda wish KDE 4.4 had something similiar to STasks, as I had STasks but plasma crashes, and I've heard that Fancy Tasks, STasks, and Smooth Tasks makes plamsa crash :\

[RAZcracK]

I have so much work to be done on my pc and i totally wont spend any second to lean new/complicated versions of KDE or GNome ...

I need simplicity/speed/functionality­...

[O0rAX0O]

I tried KDE SC 4.4 earlier, and I have to say that I was totally amazed, I consider myself a Gnome guy, but now after playing with KDE, I'm starting to think about a switch, I dunno if I can do it, but I'm seriously thinking about a solution!

good luck guys!

[sonay1986]

I am also a long time gnome user and with kde 4.4 I almost switched.

[O0rAX0O]

Well, after crashing on me several times, I couldn't do it, now I love gnome even more ;)

[sonay1986]

gnome rocks, no contest. however I am using kde 4.4.1 and no crashes up to now. I think you should try it again when 4.4.4 comes out. since you know the 3 decimal versions do not bring new features but bug fixes(stability)

[Thesupermadman]

Looking at a lot of the comments, I'm starting to get frustrated with the naivety of comparing KDE 4.0 and Gnome 3.

KDE 4.0 was a re-write and port of every single application to Qt 4. I'll repeat, EVERY SINGLE APPLICATION required re-writing and porting, including several underlying technologies such as KParts and Kio. Then, on top of that, they took areas that were inherently flawed and changed them into things never attempted before.

Gnome 3: new panel, new window manager. Job's a good'n.

[NawafLol]

well its not Gnome 3 .. its Gnome 2.30

But the UI is is much better and sexier !

And i have to say Kde Is kick ass !

[Jo21]

i wish they improved windows decorations.

so they fit more with the plasma theme, and more configurable, and easy to install. same for icons.

[GIMPMan1972]

@Jo21

Aurorae comes with 4.4 and you can download themes from inside SystemSettings>Appearance>Wind­ows>Aurorae Decoration Theme Engine. Someone has done an Air-Oxygen theme.

[intelligentopinion]

@GIMPMan1972 hey is there an iso image out?

[GIMPMan1972]

@intelligentopinion You can get it for various distros on their iso's, like Fedora, OpenSUSE and Kubuntu.

[MAcDaTHo]

@Jo21 i wish they would use emerald (from compiz)

[6zeroro6]

it just looks awesome

[adior8ot0s]

nice vid, but what's with the corny music? Linux vids are supposed to sound fresh, and vibrant just as they look. No offence, just feedbacking.

[GIMPMan1972]

Are they? It's just my preference and I'm a big fan of Jean Michel Jarre.

Most people seem to like the music and have said so.

[xmine08]

awesome, the window grouping feature is really useful for netbooks and other devices with low resolutions!

[natacus2007]

great work

[multiwebinc]

Is that desktop grid compiz or built in to plasma? Does it work without 3d acceleration?

[GIMPMan1972]

It's one of the plugins built into KDE Desktop Effects using Kwin.

You do need OpenGL for these type of effects.

[Frehley4000]

I dont really care about graphical effects anymore, KDE has enough already, all I really care right know are the bugs and glitches, just fix em, then keep adding features, but please, fix that first!

[jcmilasch]

you said it all my friend

[GIMPMan1972]

Bugs do get fixed and a lot of them. Depending on the bug, The graphics drivers and Xorg can make KDE4 "glitch", also the KDE devs still have to report Qt bugs like everyone else.

[nieknooijens]

actally everything works bug free on my pc (but I have bought a pc that was designed for linux and came shipped with it so it explains all of it)

[Yobotistan]

I like some KDE apps (KTorrent is great) but the plasma desktop is still in a shocking state (even up to SC 4.4 RC).

It's unstable and crashes frequently. Few of the plasmoids have any utility. Resizing the taskbar is a disaster. The "toolbox" is a weird hangover from 4.0 they still haven't removed. There are numerous obvious graphical glitches throughout.

The tabbed windows is a real winner though.

[GIMPMan1972]

RC3 will be released shortly and fixes quite a lot of bugs.

[Yobotistan]

Is there going to be an RC3? Normally up to RC2 I think(?)

Re-reading it, my post is a bit strong, I think SC 4.4 is lost, but SC 4.5 must be just stabilisation and bug-fixing. Comparison with KDE 3.5 is inevitable, and deserved, so I fear for the KDE team if they don't get it SC 4.5 stable and settled.

[Yobotistan]

Ah - just checked - there's the RC3 in a couple of days...

[GIMPMan1972]

Largely bug fixing and optimisation was talked about for 4.5 actually. ZUI has already been pulled out in trunk.

[meleeman90]

I have to test this, so awesome! :D Great vid!

[3527140]

What are the track names? Is it Jean Michael Jarre?

[GIMPMan1972]

Looks at the info---->

The information is there. :)

[mgedier]

hey man, excellent video, congratulations, thank you very much

[opengeek]

I have a question for you ... I have not seen any window menu bar on any application {Dolphin for example}. What did you did with it? Its only a personal arrangement or it comes by default with kde 4.4 .

If it's a personal arrangement how do you use the window menu bar items?

Kde 4.4 is nice I expect the proxy settings bug to be solved on Kubuntu Lucid ;)

[GIMPMan1972]

It's a personal arrangement. Just Ctrl, m hides the menu bar.

[jwmpexpress]

I wish I could theme my Mac. why is linux so much better at theming?

[MrTheLinux]

thank you is very good thanks again

[mononoke874]

@elmoretto it is stable enough, in my opinion. if there is something inconvenient, you will find out quickly and switch it off, but, plasma is really very stable

[cbh2000]

I have only one word: amazing.

[hoppimike]

that's how I tend to describe KDE as well! ^_^

[ricegf]

As a long-time Gnome user, I'd like to complement the KDE 4 team on putting together a really superb desktop environment. The window grouping feature alone makes switching a tempting proposition.

[avsa242]

I'm not trying to dissuade you from switching or trying (I use KDE and love it, personally) but I just thought I'd tell you that if you use Gnome w/Compiz for desktop effects that you have window grouping already. You'll need the Compizconfig Settings Manager to enable it though, IIRC.

[GIMPMan1972]

But like most of GNOME's window features, it all comes from the Compiz window manager which isn't part of GNOME.

Kwin has all of these features integrated into KDE4.4 and inside the main systemsettings.

[kakita123]

@GIMPMan1972 u arent beeing fair, u cant compare kde 4 with gnome 2 diferent generation, lets to see what gnome guys will do in gnome 3

for the time we are waiting i sure hope they realese a stable version not like kde 4.0 that was unusable, but from 4.3 KDE is just a God GE , i used to use openbox or lxde but i have awsome computer was a waste of hardware using that, with kde 4,3 + archlinux it runs fast and i have all those cool apps and effects

[GIMPMan1972]

GNOME will not implement such features like in KDE4 because there are just too many.

GNOME remove features and one of the reasons why GNOME has window effects, is because of Compiz(which isn't a GNOME technology or their window manager) GNOME 3 will be as featureless as GNOME 2 is because that's how they work.

[kakita123]

@GIMPMan1972 i cant think like that, i wait i test it and then i talk for linux sake i hope they do somthing as good as kde 4 cause in present time there is only 2 GE, KDE for ppl that like features and LXDE for ppl that are crazy fopr performance

E17 looks cool but they are very slow in the development, cause they are bulding from scratch and dont have many devs

anyway good luck for all devs hope in 5 years i can start helping too

[passerby500]

@ricegf im supprised that kde olny got window tabbing/ grouping now since there have been wm's like fluxbox that have had it for every and a day.

[trapni]

what software did you use to actually record this demo?

[GIMPMan1972]

Qt-recordmydesktop

[zhang456]

After seeing the first video, now I see this and it looks really great overall.

[GIMPMan1972]

Thanks,

It's ok but buggy (betas usually are)and if I was you I'd wait till the RC unless you want to do some testing.

I more give feedback on bugs and stuff.

[brad828]

Looks good :)

Good music :D

[MrElexBD]

Dont get upset and turn words on their head just to ease your ego.

My remarks were valid. Linux is a nice gimmick without much use beyond the things I and others said. Making it a very impotent tool.

Its not an os a normal family can use to replace the windows counterpart or even Mac OS X.

But nice try tho.

Now stop crying and scurry back to your desktop.

[VdueperdueV]

Here is talking a Gnome-user. KDE looks great, i'm thinking to switch... however, nice video and music, very good!

[WindyPower]

Join the dark side... We have kookies ;)

[hoppimike]

best. desktop. evar! ^_^

[WindyPower]

Fo sho'

[MrElexBD]

A perfect reply. Fits your needs. Which is great.

I couldnt care less for crysis tbh. But there are 99% of games that are not 1st person shooters and are head ad shoulders above what Linux has to offer.

The programs are also unparaleled in comparison.

I used SuSe, RH and Ubuntu as my favourite. But I was only able to do: e-mail, chat programs and surf internet. And with that said there is really just one thing you can do with Linux and that is code and write html which im not interested in.

[pleb989]

Digikam for photo editing and organising,

KDEnLive for authoring videos,

K3B is easily on a par with any commercial CD/DVD burning tool,

Kmail, gwenview, okular, amarok etc.....

I agree that there arn't many high end commercial games coming out on linux at the moment, which is a shame because gaming on linux would be a hard core gamers wet dream (just think how much scope there is for tweaking), but i don't think that many people really care that much beyond solitaire tbh

[Keruaran]

Why is it the GNU/Linux community's responsibility to bend over backwards to make your Windows games, made by companies that make only Windows games, that run only on Windows, run on Linux ?

If you want these games on Linux then tell the people who make those games what you want. Stop complaining to Linux users as if its their fault or their responsibility. It isn't.

If all you're going to do is whine and not lift a finger to help the community. You don't belong here.

[MrElexBD]

If virtual box is the only advantage you can come up with, its too little too late.

Im no Windows fanboy I use a Mac and Windows only for games.

I find Linux to be neither. Its like a lost puppy, kinda in between, not excelling in either task. Mac is best for graphics and music, while windows is soo simple to use a grandma could use it.

All Im saying is that Linux will remain in the shadows untill it surpases either Mac or Win. But since Win had biggest share, it must be Win.

[pleb989]

@MrElexBD "Mac is best for graphics / music"

Which is why companies like Pixar use linux is it?

Also my gandma happens to not to care to much for Crysis etc.. But instead prefers something that is reliable, requiring little to no maintenance and that allows her to do what she really wants to do, which is write letters and print them out (e-mail is apparently unreliable / iimpersonal) and to get onto the internet. This is why i installed kubuntu 8.10 and later 9.04 for her.

No complaints yet.

[GIMPMan1972]

I for one couldn't care less and I like to use Linux because it fits my needs.

I've also got friends and family using Linux and it works great for them too.

[Keruaran]

The voice of the ignorant cretin. No one is here to please you and you clearly don't belong here. Go play with Vista 7.

My mother, who is also a grandmother, finds my Linux system to be much easier to use than my sisters Windows system. Your grandma comment is a load of crap.

Linux isn't in "the shadows" it dominates in many areas and is growing steadily on the desktop. If you don't like it, fine, go somewhere else.

[MrElexBD]

Too bad. Linux is like a Ferrari, all those nice features, but without roads to drive on.

No Games (Anything under DX 9 is not a game), no PS, no Office,... sure you have all those annoying alternatives. Who cares?

They should be working on interpreters for DX etc. so people can really run M$ programs without issues. I dont mean Wine or other such crap.

Why crap? You always have to wait months cause of incompatibility issues.

Atleast MAC has Paralels and bootcamp. What does Linux have?

[GIMPMan1972]

DirectX is a Windows only technology and that's why all proprietary games run on it. If you want to play these sorts of games(WINE is not good enough?), get an Xbox.

What does Linux have? Virtual Box, VMware both work well in Linux.

[Keruaran]

You don't have roads you can drive nice cars on in Slovenia ?

If you want nothing but to run proprietary locked in software that was only made to run on Microsoft Windows, then use Microsoft Windows and stop whining and announcing your Windows-only demands like a pathetic parody of Veruca Salt.

If you think Wine, the best reverse engineered implementation of Win32 libraries in the world today, and DirectX10 capable, is crap, then you clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

[giarrone99]

impressive,for all the eyecandy,and for all i was using kde 4.3(that is great too) as soon as i get back my laptop i'll compile it on it,does anybody know if kde 4.4 is compatible with qt4.6?and it use also the KINETIK function?

[GIMPMan1972]

4.4 needs Qt 4.6 yes and the new animation framework.

[pjlehtim]

I wonder if it possible to somehow download full configurations of KDE. I like the stuff I see on the net but when I try it myself it doesn't look anything like that. I have tried themes but they bring only small part of the visual that I see. I don't want to spend hours in configurations to make it look nice. It would be great to just have .deb packages (or something) on websites containing all the configuration.

I used to love KDE (3.5) but moved to Gnome when 4 :-(

[GIMPMan1972]

Try OpenSUSE 11.2. They have a KDE unstable repo with 4.4beta and Qt 4.6.

You can also download the unbranded packages, so it's more like the vanilla KDE I have.

[goblend]

Speed was improved also ? or you just happen to have a kick ass computer ?

[GIMPMan1972]

I have a Quad-Core/4Gb of ram so yes. It's down to graphics drivers which are not great for Linux.

[RaiCoss]

Nvidia's drivers are great for linux.

[GIMPMan1972]

Yep, but the desktop acceleration is not optimal for KDE4. Thankfully the 180.x series made it better but it could be better.

[RaiCoss]

Really? The only problems I've ever had with KDE4 are Kwin bugs, or the various other KDE bugs.

[animusvirtus]

Kde is GROWING FAST

[vampspell]

kde rocks !!

[ScreamOfSilence00]

How can i make a word like the "thanks for watching"? Thanks.

Great Video. u.u

Search and Lauch functions is like OS X Stack...

[GIMPMan1972]

The video is edited and the text in-between is a png image made in Inkscape, then imported into the video editor.

[GIMPMan1972]

Sorry guys. I had to re-upload with a better bitrate so it should be nicer now.