There are bound to be people in America who will complain about the extremely low top speed, but the fact is, their speed limits are very low and it is unlikely they will go above 85mph anyway, this car will do very well in cities where people don't drive much and it will suit many Americans for speed, as for people who need more power and long distance, perhaps we should wait until electric cars are further advanced and we can get 140mph and 600 miles out of one and it can sell in mass numbers
cool. this makes me excited. its sad though that even though the technology exists for us to stop polluting the hell out of our planet we continue to do it and will continue until it is absolutely critical to stop...lets face it we dont change until we really really have to, and one day that is going to kill us all....whether it be a hundred years from now, or a million years from now.
The electric car existed in the 90's and was destroyed by the car companies, because the car companies estimated that they would lose 30 to 40 percent of their profits by not servicing combustion engines at their service centers. The oil companies were also involved, therefore we got Hybrid technology, which was an attempt to slow down the progression of the electric car. Everyone should watch, Who Killed The Electric Car? The next big thing is how do we get off of coal?
cities with this cars would have less noise and pollution, if you concentrate the pollution in one place (power plants) it is easier to control it with filters and other stuff.
i wanna know the future of electric vehicles, this having a range of 100 miles on a single charge hopefully 30 years from now there will be an electric vehicle that can do around 500 miles on a single charge.
@VideoRCool You have to start somewhere...100 miles is amazing from the battery technology, who knows what will be available in the future...this will suit the majority of peoples needs, I commute 134km per day, this car can cover that, not many people need mileage anywhere near that in a normal day!
I wonder how long the battery life is and the energy density drop-off as it ages (not to mention the price of repairs and replacements). I imagine they will be switching over to li-po if the car sticks around for their higher energy density. Right now the Hyundai Sonata hybrid is the only vehicle I know of that uses li-po because they are a relatively new technology and expensive, not to mention early prototypes had a high risk of thermal runaway, but they have improved much so we shall see.
@dragonamt Nissan use lithuim based cells. They are flat and grey. My guess it that they are LiFe. They are better than whats in a laptop, wont lose half capacity in 2 years, thats the old tech.
@Veikra But I cant think of a great way to replicate that without having the car speed recklessly downhill and come to a mere crawl at the top of the hill, but those were more along the lines of what I was thinking. I suppose that isn't really regen then either, so that probably wasn't a good way to say it, but regardless it probably isn't a plausible idea so...right. Yeah, that LiFe is good too, just as long as it isn't Lithium ion like laptop batteries because like you said they tend to...
@dragonamt using hills to pick up speed saves energy. It's used by ecomodders along with pulse-and-glide to achieve better mileage. If you plan on stopping at the end of that hill then go ahead and use regen to maintain your speed. Regen works best for long braking, because the engine can generates way more than the battery pack can charge at, so its limited on hard braking. Some use capacitor banks to capture more energy more quickly.
@Veikra lol, that is what I am saying man, read my post. but you actully will save more energy accelerating downhill and let the momentum carry you up, no one does that because you would have to really speed downhill to get enough moment to carry the car uphill with no throttle. The engine or motor in this case is aided by gravity downhill so it doesn't work as hard, its basic physics. Like I said, I suppose it wouldn't be regen, I was thinking that you could store up energy downhill with
@Veikra like, idk anything I can think of is asinine, so yeah, it was a ridiculous idea because you cant replicate the efficiency of actually accelerating downhill and coasting up. The physics is right though.
@Veikra so yeah, your right, you would have to stop or slow down to regenerate regardless to maintain the moment. I short the idea is cool, and the physics of the coasting is right (I think we both described it), you just cant replicate it without breaking to some degree to regenerate so despite my cool idea, its impossible. I think we just went roundabout both saying that the idea devil gave me was actually crap, lol. I agree, it was stupid, got me thinking though at least.
@dragonamt Yeah I couldnt help but react to his comment. There's so much bad myth about electric cars I sometimes feel the need to "enlighten" a few people :) Have a good day.
@Veikra lose capacity steadily, not to mention both LiFe and Li-po will deal with rapid 30min charges much better than lithium ion where battery life is severely shortened by rapid charging (which was one of the issues they encountered with the tesla roadster, and why they actually don't recommend ultra fast charges)
30 mins recharge is nice if you ever need it...and not having to lose time at the pump in your normal computer would be cool. Especially since they slowed down the pumps since the gas price went up.
why shouldnt you manufacture a motor which can recharge the battries as the vehicle is moving(built-in),ofcourse it couldnt compansate 100% but it will charge by more than 40 % to 60% with our modern Technology ,,and we can add ampilifier to ampilify the rechargable energy,
@devilloca12345678 uhm no and no. generating electricity takes torque, so you cant generate energy while driving else it takes more energy to keep going. and secondly, amplifiers amplifies SIGNALS, not power. Amplifiers take a signal and amplifie it up to the rail voltage and not higher than whats you can provide to the amp.
@Veikra I think you mean transformers step up voltage (unless they are called something different in electric rail or in other countries idk). However, devil gave me an idea... I obviously regenerative breaking is an option, but I wonder if you could use a sensor to detect when the car was moving on a downhill grade and use the extra forward momentum to regenerate electricity with a non contact system, or at the very least, modify throttle to save energy in hilly areas.
@dragonamt no, step up voltage transformer increase the voltage at the expense of current. So you dont end up with more power that you put in. Regenerative braking is on all AC engined electric cars. And from experience it's often better to coast than use regen on hilly terrains. You coast downhill and gain speed, and coast a lot farther. Regenerative is good for stopping such as city traffic you dont need sensor to detect downhill grade, you can sense it in a four quadrant drive.
@Veikra lol, I thought that was what you meant about the amplifier, I read that backwards lol, my bad, I misread that. Yeah, I thought about the coasting versus regeneration, thinking about it though, even if there was a relatively efficient way to do so you could achieve the same effect by making the system more efficient in the first place and that would be much simpler, so alas maybe not a good idea. I was just thinking about how it is more efficient to accelerate downhill and coast up.
@Veikra and yeah, (just to clarify I am not one of 'those' idiots) I wasn't saying you can step up voltage and maintain amperage because that would increase the net energy ie over-unity which is completely impossible. There is no way to power the car perpetually even if you could regenerate equal to the torque at the wheels (which itself would be impossible) because some energy would still be lost in the battery, and the motor. There is no such thing as 100% efficiency unfortunately.
Do not be so naive to think, that you can easily to pass(over) to new power supply without
making a radical change in the electricity producing by not affecting on the regular nowadays electric needs on Earth? Still thinking you save the world?
The only thing is being so quiet it is a hazard for bikers like me who rely on the sound of a car to know if it is coming even if it is not in line of sight.
this will ruin texaco shell and all the other gas stations they should just turn gas stations into electric re-charge stations i don't think that people should be able to freely charge their electric car themselves
@kenobr Why shouldn't peopel be able to freely charge their electric car themselves? So what if the gas stations go extinct. It would be far more efficient to recharge at your home instead of having to drive to recharge your car...
i don't want to get into a virtual debate but i think it wud be a bad idea for when u see those high speed chases it would never end because they plan on having automatic car rechargers at traffic light junctions i don't think that gas stations will go extinct well they won't be called that they would b called electric stations but on long road trips or driving long distances people will want to recharge there vehicle ur right by saying having a self charge thing at ur home that would be useful
I like electric cars but there's only one problem, inherent to all electric cars (it will only affect people who always run their car out of gas.) What happens if you run the charge completely out? An electric car that loses its total charge is dead where it sits. A gasoline car, you can put in gas and it will run again. With an electric car you can't do that.
@97169144 - If you covered the car in solar panels, you'd only (even using highly efficient ones) get a couple hundred watts worth of cells - however, those panels are meant to face the Sun, NOT face straight up. Charging for a full day would perhaps give you 1kWh of electricity - enough to drive perhaps 5 miles.
It is much more efficient to have the panels on your roof and pointed at the Sun rather than sitting on the car. Particularly when it is in your garage or carport!
The only problem on electric vehicle is the batteries. Why not make those gas station lease a battery unit so we can have less time charging, maybe a couple of minutes to change batteries just like refilling the fuel tanks. People making the problem bigger when the answer is already given.
If you can drive 100km on a full charged battery and change it on another station that would be great. And those gas station would not be put to waste. Everybody happy.
@jasonaladin Toshiba and others are researching fast charging batteries. Charging to 80% in less than 5 minutes. Equally important to the battery characteristics is the need for a charging station infrastructure.
It takes more energy to make the hydrogen than you get out of the hydrogen fuel itself so you're better off just using the original fossil/renewable energy and putting it directly into a battery etc...
Let me know when you can make hydrogen on the cheap or can transport it. Its really simple if 100 miles is not enough for you, keep owning a gasoline car and pay through the roof while almost everyone that lives in a city or near one will drive electric cars. Its just a matter of time before we pay over 5 dollars a gallon for fuel. Why make hydrogen with al ot of energy while you can drive the car with it.
@HUJUism We have payed 5 dollars a gallon before... but i do agree somewhat, for a town car and people who live and work in the city, this is very practicable. But you will probably need to have a secondary vehicle for going out of town or what have you. Or the Chevy Volt looks like a good contender, even though it needs gas after so many miles.
its very impractical due to its hundred mile driving span, wut a car company should be doing is make a car the runs on hrdyogen. when you run on hydrogen it burns and creates water therefore having in essensce a negative polution effect, it sort of gives to the environment rather than take like gasoline
@ivaniclixx ok so wen nissan makes an electric car that goes more than 100 miles thats wen ill buy, only problem with hydrogen is fuel distribution 2 gas companies
The only problem is that your position is the most common with people.
WE have to do something; of course car makers will not do anything to stop Its fuel-powered cars business; It's already there, It works very well and gives them way more benefit than electric cars would -more reliability, less revisions and components to change along the vehicle life...etc.
I love it. I wish I was living in north America to buy one of these this year. I live in Australia which is the bottom end of the world and nothing good gets there till long after other countries have it.
@apricotsnms516 Charging at a "quick charge station" will hardly ever happen though. Typically you charge it at home or in a parking garage. You will probably only stop at the charging station on longer trips.
That's only if you used up 100% of your battery and it dies just as you're pulling into the charge station. How often will that happen? More likely you'd pull in when you're down to 20-30%. Then you're looking at a wait of around 20 minutes.
Remember, many diesel trucks take around a half hour to fill. Some electric cars can quick charge in 15 minutes, or swap batteries in 3 minutes. It's not a big deal.
Oh, you drive a scooter? I've got one as well, but as you might expect it's electric (The XB-700li). And yeah, I wouldn't normally have the time to wait for it to recharge. But I bought a second battery, and I just keep one at home charging while I'm using the other, then swap 'em when I'm running low. I have to swap every other day or so, as each pack gives me only 30 miles and I do between 10 and 15 miles of driving on a typical day.
I would think, it is no fun to wait for 30 minutes for each charge.(in 100 miles). But I guess it'll be fine if the home charging system does not cost a lot.
Damn. To think most of the ideas I had to work on my electric powered VW GTI have already been worked on and testing in progress really bites. Well at least I'd soon have the first electric VW GTI.
And with new solar panels becoming more discrete and much cheaper, I bet you could one day find a place to stick a couple of solar collectors on this aswell..
This would be a big leap towards zero emmisions, if such cars can become common place. Finally I can drive where I like without guilt.. We should all do our part in makng this car and other clean technologies a success.
I never said that I believed in it. It's just that some scientists believe that we have not gathered an accurate measurement of how much fossil fuels we have. I myself believe that it WILL run out.
The below is just another "unlikely" theory;
They (world powers) could be lying to us about how long fossilization occurs. You never know what is the truth. They could be controlling what information we get.
If you haven't already I recommend you to read 1984 by George Orwell. It's set in a time where every single bit of information is passed through and altered by the government. Scary but...you know...possible. xD
Well anyways, good luck to the future generations!
Very good point! It's the damn fossil fuel companies that are screwing this world up. We must take the initiative to go "green"! The government isn't going to do it just because we complain. We must power our houses, workplaces, schools, etc. with renewable energy (wind, solar, etc.)! I would love if they had put solar panels in the back of this car. I wonder if they'll ever put a slide out/pop up windmill for when the car is parked so that it may charge it's battery...
leaf why dont they come with a car company called earth insteaof this eletric battery crap which no there jus gonna be recycling meanig putting these so called great eltric back into the ground like those compacted garbage mounds they call auto salvage yards they jus melt down into scrap heap hydrgen powerd car is more reasonable and reliable than recharging a car
Do you know how much exhaust pollution is created by cars in traffic jams, or waiting at traffic lights?
At least powerstations contact the pollution all at one location and stations by law are required to install extremely expensive 'scrubbers' to their chimneys.
Also remember that power can be generated by renewable energy sources: solar, wind, wave etc...try that with crude oil!!
Did you tards ever think of how much electricity these cars use? Do any of you know how power plants are run? How much energy is wasted? Cars like these waste more energy than those that run on fossil fuels
Wow buddy you couldn't be any more wrong. Electric cars are about 80 to 90 percent efficient, while gasoline cars are about 30 percent. Power plants waste energy at night because of the low demand, and that's when most of these cars charging, the'll be putting that wasted energy to good use.
I didn't say anything about how efficiently the car uses the energy. Maybe you should look at how we keep our power plants powered and take into consideration how much electricity we already consume in this country. Then imagine it with several million of these electric hog cars.
I am. I do know how we keep our power plants powered. And because we consume so much electricity during the day these power plants waste a lot of energy at night because it's cheaper for them to keep the turbines moving. So now we can use that wasted energy for these cars.
@Weazell Gasoline has the equivalent of 34 kWh of energy per gallon. If internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles are only 20% efficient, that means almost 27 kWh are WASTED AS HEAT PER GALLON. So, again, which is more wasteful?
@Weazell EV haters always like to talk about pollution from power plants, but they never talk about how much pollution is made or how much energy is used to drill, pump, ship, refine, and truck gas to your neighborhood service station.
people seem to forget that petrol engines aren't very efficient and lose alot of the stored energy with biproducts such as heat etc. But with an electric engine the power is used 80% more efficiently and in the future most of the electricity grid will be harnessed from renewable energy
ELECTRIC CAR + SLOAR POWER = FREEDOM ! bravo nissan especialy for INDUCTIVE CHARGING a have a tothbrush caled Oral B Vitality that use exactly this technology and this also means WIRE FREE CHARGING ! BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO !
Yeah that would be great but I think there are too many problems with H2: Not very efficient; hard to create; hard to store; hard to transport; corrosive; explosive; etc
Joseph Romm's book "The hype about hydrogen" is an excellent analysis of the disadvantages of fuel cell vehicles
In short... they won't make sense unless there are a series of almost miraculous breakthroughs in H2 production, transport, and storage, as well as fuel cell efficiency.
@aszenasi YES. When I learned that 1 gal of gas has the energy of 60+ sticks of dynamite, I was no longer impressed with high HP internal combustion vehicles.
If the new Camaro came out 10 yrs ago, I might have bought one. Then the Tesla Roadster happened. Thank goodness GM is SO behind the curve.
Here in US and China the electric car ends up on average producing more CO2 than any other fueled transport. The problem isnt the cars its the fact nethier will abandon coal and fossil fuel powerplants. If US had spent half of the money from Iraqi war on geothermal it would now be the main source of power and all fossil fuel generators would be gone.
travel green, or travel free? Yeah. public transportation is a great option, but public transportation rather inefficient, especially in a country such as america, where we have cities sprawled out over so much space.. electric cars with quick-charge battery packs are an extremely feasable solution that is much more energy efficient than consuming even harder to find fossil fuels.. the battery packs could also be recycled.. just another maitanence thing, oil change, tire change, battery change.
If your electricity is produced by a coal plant you are ALREADY polluting whether you have an electric car or not with your home electricity. So that argument is idiotic.
Charging your vehicle will not make the plant burn more coal than they are ALREADY burning.
So switching to an electric vehicle you are in fact becoming greener by taking the carbon foot print of the I.C.E. off the road.
I'm all for electric cars. But xmykro, charging a car, or anything electric you plug in, will make the power plant have to produce more electricity. Don't get ridiculous, have a reasonable discussion.
@766rielle That seems obvious, but it is a common misconception. Power plants are managed/operated to run at max efficiency to make a profit. Contrast that with the way millions of motorists drive. I challenge you to stop and observe this at any time of the day at any location.
GREAT!!!. i think this is even better than hybrids, but a step back from "plug-in hybrids" i'd buy one obviously. this will be a daily driver and if cross-country travel is needed. i'll just use my larger ICE car. but for my 97% daily commute. this is perfect. i wonder how much. im tired of gassing my EVO every week and a half and costing 40 some bucks. lets have it EVs. nice job nissan. brining a powerhouse (GT-R & 370Z) and an EV at the same time. you made a believer in me.
a hundred miles on a battery pack that compact is an amazing feat in itself... especially for the price. you have to realize that you ARE moving over one ton of weight with this motor.. your laptop doesnt have to worry about anything like that.. and if you're going 50 miles an hour, that's two hours of life to a charge.. the technology still has some room to grow, but the fact that it's gone this far is amazing.
Think about what you are saying. Where does the energy come from that turns the wheels? Taking energy from the turning wheels will slow the car down or take more energy to keep the same speed. In other words it won't work.
doh! That would slow the car down and cause friction and the motor would have to work harder to counter that friction...thats what regenerative braking is!!! When the regen brakes are applied it simply reverses the current to the motor this in turn causes friction which slows the car down and turns the electric motor into a huge dynamo whilst the brakes are applied!! The energy from the motor in reversed electrical state (ie dynamo) then feeds this energy back into the batteries.
My guess is that the initial costs will be high. The early adopters will be environmentally conscious wealthy persons with high profiles, for instance movie stars. As manufacturing of the batteries increases the price will come down and other groups will begin to afford these vehicles. Sub 30K? You're probably talking about 5-8 years; though much depends upon the ability to manufacture the batteries in high volume.
...and if energysuppliers use the batteries for gridfunctions, they will pay some of the costs... maybe there will be that provider model, betterplace is helping on ist way... this car will cost 1buck???
Nissan appears to be doing everything right. People want 100% electric cars and this looks like it will be the best initial product. Hopefully the price will be no greater than 30k USD and they won't do anything silly like leasing their battery packs.
@PlanetXwormwood I didn't ask twice man!
captaindan7140 5 months ago
@PlanetXwormwood nope i didn't
chughes372 5 months ago
There are bound to be people in America who will complain about the extremely low top speed, but the fact is, their speed limits are very low and it is unlikely they will go above 85mph anyway, this car will do very well in cities where people don't drive much and it will suit many Americans for speed, as for people who need more power and long distance, perhaps we should wait until electric cars are further advanced and we can get 140mph and 600 miles out of one and it can sell in mass numbers
TheMegaJet 6 months ago
cool. this makes me excited. its sad though that even though the technology exists for us to stop polluting the hell out of our planet we continue to do it and will continue until it is absolutely critical to stop...lets face it we dont change until we really really have to, and one day that is going to kill us all....whether it be a hundred years from now, or a million years from now.
KATOMATE01 10 months ago
mon"DAY" not mon"DEE"
pickle430 10 months ago
The electric car existed in the 90's and was destroyed by the car companies, because the car companies estimated that they would lose 30 to 40 percent of their profits by not servicing combustion engines at their service centers. The oil companies were also involved, therefore we got Hybrid technology, which was an attempt to slow down the progression of the electric car. Everyone should watch, Who Killed The Electric Car? The next big thing is how do we get off of coal?
CITYJ199 10 months ago
cities with this cars would have less noise and pollution, if you concentrate the pollution in one place (power plants) it is easier to control it with filters and other stuff.
Sathold 1 year ago
Enjoyed my recent test drive, immensely.
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chughes372 1 year ago 7
@chughes372 Did you win the car then?
captaindan7140 10 months ago
@captaindan7140 nope
chughes372 8 months ago
@captaindan7140 nope, i didn't
chughes372 5 months ago
i wanna know the future of electric vehicles, this having a range of 100 miles on a single charge hopefully 30 years from now there will be an electric vehicle that can do around 500 miles on a single charge.
VideoRCool 1 year ago
@VideoRCool
Why "30 years from now"?
energyfinance 1 year ago
@energyfinance or sooner just an example.
VideoRCool 1 year ago
@VideoRCool You have to start somewhere...100 miles is amazing from the battery technology, who knows what will be available in the future...this will suit the majority of peoples needs, I commute 134km per day, this car can cover that, not many people need mileage anywhere near that in a normal day!
srlooking 1 year ago
Still charged by the Coal power plant!
Computerbusters 1 year ago
OKOKOK you get an electric
1) it does the job of a gas car; gets you to places and back home.
2) it is much cheaper to maintain and run; the engine has one moving part needs almost no lubricunts; GAS PRICE ARE IN HEAVEN NOW.
3)if you employ some CHeap solarpanel and wind turbines to charge it, you do not pay to "FUEL" it up and you cut out the POWER PLANT!!!
ENRELLISH AND ENJOY!!!!
EndOfDeStory 1 year ago 2
it's too bad that the government only alow 20.000 of this a year!, you knowoil MAFIA!
they are scared to lose their profits,, by the way , this 20.000 reverved is allready sold out!
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baccaratbargaineq 1 year ago
They should think about charging this from simple power grid too. It would be much more convenient.
EndureTemptation 1 year ago
@EndureTemptation You can, it's just slower.
UnknownXV 1 year ago
I wonder how long the battery life is and the energy density drop-off as it ages (not to mention the price of repairs and replacements). I imagine they will be switching over to li-po if the car sticks around for their higher energy density. Right now the Hyundai Sonata hybrid is the only vehicle I know of that uses li-po because they are a relatively new technology and expensive, not to mention early prototypes had a high risk of thermal runaway, but they have improved much so we shall see.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt Nissan use lithuim based cells. They are flat and grey. My guess it that they are LiFe. They are better than whats in a laptop, wont lose half capacity in 2 years, thats the old tech.
Veikra 1 year ago
@Veikra But I cant think of a great way to replicate that without having the car speed recklessly downhill and come to a mere crawl at the top of the hill, but those were more along the lines of what I was thinking. I suppose that isn't really regen then either, so that probably wasn't a good way to say it, but regardless it probably isn't a plausible idea so...right. Yeah, that LiFe is good too, just as long as it isn't Lithium ion like laptop batteries because like you said they tend to...
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt using hills to pick up speed saves energy. It's used by ecomodders along with pulse-and-glide to achieve better mileage. If you plan on stopping at the end of that hill then go ahead and use regen to maintain your speed. Regen works best for long braking, because the engine can generates way more than the battery pack can charge at, so its limited on hard braking. Some use capacitor banks to capture more energy more quickly.
Veikra 1 year ago
@Veikra lol, that is what I am saying man, read my post. but you actully will save more energy accelerating downhill and let the momentum carry you up, no one does that because you would have to really speed downhill to get enough moment to carry the car uphill with no throttle. The engine or motor in this case is aided by gravity downhill so it doesn't work as hard, its basic physics. Like I said, I suppose it wouldn't be regen, I was thinking that you could store up energy downhill with
dragonamt 1 year ago
@Veikra like, idk anything I can think of is asinine, so yeah, it was a ridiculous idea because you cant replicate the efficiency of actually accelerating downhill and coasting up. The physics is right though.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@Veikra so yeah, your right, you would have to stop or slow down to regenerate regardless to maintain the moment. I short the idea is cool, and the physics of the coasting is right (I think we both described it), you just cant replicate it without breaking to some degree to regenerate so despite my cool idea, its impossible. I think we just went roundabout both saying that the idea devil gave me was actually crap, lol. I agree, it was stupid, got me thinking though at least.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt Yeah I couldnt help but react to his comment. There's so much bad myth about electric cars I sometimes feel the need to "enlighten" a few people :) Have a good day.
Veikra 1 year ago
@Veikra lose capacity steadily, not to mention both LiFe and Li-po will deal with rapid 30min charges much better than lithium ion where battery life is severely shortened by rapid charging (which was one of the issues they encountered with the tesla roadster, and why they actually don't recommend ultra fast charges)
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt Yes, thats the first 2 years of production I believe. After that they went with another chemistry of battery, not sure which exactly
Veikra 1 year ago
30 mins recharge is nice if you ever need it...and not having to lose time at the pump in your normal computer would be cool. Especially since they slowed down the pumps since the gas price went up.
Veikra 1 year ago
I wonder if the nissan leaf will catch on?
TFiPW 1 year ago
they're making these things 30k on purpose so that they don't get too popular
yellowfellow 1 year ago
why shouldnt you manufacture a motor which can recharge the battries as the vehicle is moving(built-in),ofcourse it couldnt compansate 100% but it will charge by more than 40 % to 60% with our modern Technology ,,and we can add ampilifier to ampilify the rechargable energy,
devilloca12345678 1 year ago
@devilloca12345678 uhm no and no. generating electricity takes torque, so you cant generate energy while driving else it takes more energy to keep going. and secondly, amplifiers amplifies SIGNALS, not power. Amplifiers take a signal and amplifie it up to the rail voltage and not higher than whats you can provide to the amp.
Veikra 1 year ago
@Veikra I think you mean transformers step up voltage (unless they are called something different in electric rail or in other countries idk). However, devil gave me an idea... I obviously regenerative breaking is an option, but I wonder if you could use a sensor to detect when the car was moving on a downhill grade and use the extra forward momentum to regenerate electricity with a non contact system, or at the very least, modify throttle to save energy in hilly areas.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@dragonamt no, step up voltage transformer increase the voltage at the expense of current. So you dont end up with more power that you put in. Regenerative braking is on all AC engined electric cars. And from experience it's often better to coast than use regen on hilly terrains. You coast downhill and gain speed, and coast a lot farther. Regenerative is good for stopping such as city traffic you dont need sensor to detect downhill grade, you can sense it in a four quadrant drive.
Veikra 1 year ago
@Veikra lol, I thought that was what you meant about the amplifier, I read that backwards lol, my bad, I misread that. Yeah, I thought about the coasting versus regeneration, thinking about it though, even if there was a relatively efficient way to do so you could achieve the same effect by making the system more efficient in the first place and that would be much simpler, so alas maybe not a good idea. I was just thinking about how it is more efficient to accelerate downhill and coast up.
dragonamt 1 year ago
@Veikra and yeah, (just to clarify I am not one of 'those' idiots) I wasn't saying you can step up voltage and maintain amperage because that would increase the net energy ie over-unity which is completely impossible. There is no way to power the car perpetually even if you could regenerate equal to the torque at the wheels (which itself would be impossible) because some energy would still be lost in the battery, and the motor. There is no such thing as 100% efficiency unfortunately.
dragonamt 1 year ago
A new pollution of nuclear reactors is coming!
Do not be so naive to think, that you can easily to pass(over) to new power supply without
making a radical change in the electricity producing by not affecting on the regular nowadays electric needs on Earth? Still thinking you save the world?
manoftnuva 1 year ago
It's 2010. Now where is it?
TornTech 1 year ago
Please eradicate traditional cars now!
agent007jr 1 year ago
The only thing is being so quiet it is a hazard for bikers like me who rely on the sound of a car to know if it is coming even if it is not in line of sight.
shorerydr10 1 year ago
this will ruin texaco shell and all the other gas stations they should just turn gas stations into electric re-charge stations i don't think that people should be able to freely charge their electric car themselves
kenobr 1 year ago
@kenobr Why shouldn't peopel be able to freely charge their electric car themselves? So what if the gas stations go extinct. It would be far more efficient to recharge at your home instead of having to drive to recharge your car...
shorerydr10 1 year ago
i don't want to get into a virtual debate but i think it wud be a bad idea for when u see those high speed chases it would never end because they plan on having automatic car rechargers at traffic light junctions i don't think that gas stations will go extinct well they won't be called that they would b called electric stations but on long road trips or driving long distances people will want to recharge there vehicle ur right by saying having a self charge thing at ur home that would be useful
kenobr 1 year ago
I like electric cars but there's only one problem, inherent to all electric cars (it will only affect people who always run their car out of gas.) What happens if you run the charge completely out? An electric car that loses its total charge is dead where it sits. A gasoline car, you can put in gas and it will run again. With an electric car you can't do that.
gears2boomshield 1 year ago
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Skeletor4ever 1 year ago
@gears2boomshield A portable trickle charge cable (120V/EVSE) 3 will be included for emergencies.
Skeletor4ever 1 year ago
dont try to out run cops if u get dat car!
cas1490 1 year ago
@cas1490 I wouldn't even with a porch
JohnKapsis1985 1 year ago
@JohnKapsis1985
lol...a "porch"?
jacob0403 1 year ago
@jacob0403 oh i know i killed it (soz)
JohnKapsis1985 1 year ago
Lol, what a weak car.
Bluheim2030 1 year ago
very nice - shame i cant afford it :-(
TheVoltHeads 1 year ago
What is GM going to do with their Volt, they'll have to give it away or turn it into a golf cart.
invsiblshowercurtain 1 year ago
Anyone know why they didn't make the roof one large solar panel to boost the mileage per charge?
97169144 1 year ago
@97169144 haha, I was thinking the same.
bluedog653 1 year ago
@97169144 - If you covered the car in solar panels, you'd only (even using highly efficient ones) get a couple hundred watts worth of cells - however, those panels are meant to face the Sun, NOT face straight up. Charging for a full day would perhaps give you 1kWh of electricity - enough to drive perhaps 5 miles.
It is much more efficient to have the panels on your roof and pointed at the Sun rather than sitting on the car. Particularly when it is in your garage or carport!
Cyber0Bill 1 year ago
They need to make a electric pick up truck.
ureadmymind 1 year ago 2
Acceleration ? Top speed ?
lauris47 1 year ago
I WANT ONE
awwkool 1 year ago
Nice car. I wonder how much it cost?
Oscar1466 1 year ago
AWESOME
87228 1 year ago 2
The only problem on electric vehicle is the batteries. Why not make those gas station lease a battery unit so we can have less time charging, maybe a couple of minutes to change batteries just like refilling the fuel tanks. People making the problem bigger when the answer is already given.
If you can drive 100km on a full charged battery and change it on another station that would be great. And those gas station would not be put to waste. Everybody happy.
jasonaladin 1 year ago
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joelski 1 year ago
@jasonaladin Toshiba and others are researching fast charging batteries. Charging to 80% in less than 5 minutes. Equally important to the battery characteristics is the need for a charging station infrastructure.
joelski 1 year ago
It takes more energy to make the hydrogen than you get out of the hydrogen fuel itself so you're better off just using the original fossil/renewable energy and putting it directly into a battery etc...
MrEnergyCzar 1 year ago
Let me know when you can make hydrogen on the cheap or can transport it. Its really simple if 100 miles is not enough for you, keep owning a gasoline car and pay through the roof while almost everyone that lives in a city or near one will drive electric cars. Its just a matter of time before we pay over 5 dollars a gallon for fuel. Why make hydrogen with al ot of energy while you can drive the car with it.
HUJUism 1 year ago 5
@HUJUism We have payed 5 dollars a gallon before... but i do agree somewhat, for a town car and people who live and work in the city, this is very practicable. But you will probably need to have a secondary vehicle for going out of town or what have you. Or the Chevy Volt looks like a good contender, even though it needs gas after so many miles.
RoGQuizzno 1 year ago
its very impractical due to its hundred mile driving span, wut a car company should be doing is make a car the runs on hrdyogen. when you run on hydrogen it burns and creates water therefore having in essensce a negative polution effect, it sort of gives to the environment rather than take like gasoline
IPlayItCrazy 2 years ago
@IPlayItCrazy you have no idea; hydrogen is not and will never be an alternative.
ivaniclixx 2 years ago 2
@ivaniclixx ok so wen nissan makes an electric car that goes more than 100 miles thats wen ill buy, only problem with hydrogen is fuel distribution 2 gas companies
IPlayItCrazy 1 year ago
The only problem is that your position is the most common with people.
WE have to do something; of course car makers will not do anything to stop Its fuel-powered cars business; It's already there, It works very well and gives them way more benefit than electric cars would -more reliability, less revisions and components to change along the vehicle life...etc.
Sorry for my English.
ivaniclixx 1 year ago 2
@IPlayItCrazy do u have anyidea how catastrphic that would be in a crash this big boom
awwkool 1 year ago
I love it. I wish I was living in north America to buy one of these this year. I live in Australia which is the bottom end of the world and nothing good gets there till long after other countries have it.
parsizaban 2 years ago
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30 minutes at a "charging-station" i rather take 7 mintutes out of my day to put gas in my car than electricity
time2die99 2 years ago
this is brilliant. its obviously expensive but in the future it will be amazing.
nakeejake69 2 years ago 2
TIIDAA :X
clasic05 2 years ago
At Last
parsizaban 2 years ago 28
I always wondered why NA never switched to 220V.
Messer262 2 years ago
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electricity prices will rise! and we all gonna live in darkness without tvs and pcs and stuff... may happen! :\
andoctors 2 years ago
Dude, were you stoned when you took your economics class?
TheoreticChaos 2 years ago
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soooo you are stuck at the charging station for 30min? dang! "hey um can i have another one of those Twinkies?" ....
apricotsnms516 2 years ago
@apricotsnms516 Charging at a "quick charge station" will hardly ever happen though. Typically you charge it at home or in a parking garage. You will probably only stop at the charging station on longer trips.
dkendall1373 2 years ago 4
That's only if you used up 100% of your battery and it dies just as you're pulling into the charge station. How often will that happen? More likely you'd pull in when you're down to 20-30%. Then you're looking at a wait of around 20 minutes.
Remember, many diesel trucks take around a half hour to fill. Some electric cars can quick charge in 15 minutes, or swap batteries in 3 minutes. It's not a big deal.
Zamboro 2 years ago
yeah i guess im just used to filling up my scooter and it'll take maybe 5min so idk how it is for a car
apricotsnms516 2 years ago
Oh, you drive a scooter? I've got one as well, but as you might expect it's electric (The XB-700li). And yeah, I wouldn't normally have the time to wait for it to recharge. But I bought a second battery, and I just keep one at home charging while I'm using the other, then swap 'em when I'm running low. I have to swap every other day or so, as each pack gives me only 30 miles and I do between 10 and 15 miles of driving on a typical day.
Zamboro 2 years ago
good idea about swapping the batteries ;)
apricotsnms516 2 years ago
GM killed it and Nissan brought it back. Kudos to the Japanese.
PianoManX2 2 years ago 3
I would think, it is no fun to wait for 30 minutes for each charge.(in 100 miles). But I guess it'll be fine if the home charging system does not cost a lot.
kawaihui 2 years ago
At 20 bucks for new york to L.A you can't go wrong, unless you forget to charge
eldictator1 2 years ago
Damn. To think most of the ideas I had to work on my electric powered VW GTI have already been worked on and testing in progress really bites. Well at least I'd soon have the first electric VW GTI.
CommanderB9488 2 years ago
less performed when compared with BYD E6
albert008 2 years ago
And with new solar panels becoming more discrete and much cheaper, I bet you could one day find a place to stick a couple of solar collectors on this aswell..
AAmed1980 2 years ago
This would be a big leap towards zero emmisions, if such cars can become common place. Finally I can drive where I like without guilt.. We should all do our part in makng this car and other clean technologies a success.
AAmed1980 2 years ago
I think the big driving factor for the u.k will be cheap as chips fuel prices, especially when fuel is nearing 10dollars a gallon
eldictator1 2 years ago
By the way, there is a theory that fossil fuels actually will not run out and that it is just scare mongering.
fan4nintendo 2 years ago
because the fact that it will not run out is totally...you know... possible.
MurderDeathKill01 2 years ago
I never said that I believed in it. It's just that some scientists believe that we have not gathered an accurate measurement of how much fossil fuels we have. I myself believe that it WILL run out.
The below is just another "unlikely" theory;
They (world powers) could be lying to us about how long fossilization occurs. You never know what is the truth. They could be controlling what information we get.
fan4nintendo 2 years ago
If you haven't already I recommend you to read 1984 by George Orwell. It's set in a time where every single bit of information is passed through and altered by the government. Scary but...you know...possible. xD
Well anyways, good luck to the future generations!
fan4nintendo 2 years ago
wow! the future is here!
dacasman 2 years ago
Now, let's power our GRID with renewables! Then, and only then, will this be "zero emmissions".
We can do this!
cavemanillustrations 2 years ago 5
Very good point! It's the damn fossil fuel companies that are screwing this world up. We must take the initiative to go "green"! The government isn't going to do it just because we complain. We must power our houses, workplaces, schools, etc. with renewable energy (wind, solar, etc.)! I would love if they had put solar panels in the back of this car. I wonder if they'll ever put a slide out/pop up windmill for when the car is parked so that it may charge it's battery...
cptnsmelly 2 years ago
Japanese are geniuses ! Brilliant!
kakompo 2 years ago 4
Excellent TayouJin! Exactly! I think many overlook your #3.
MickWiser 2 years ago
leaf why dont they come with a car company called earth insteaof this eletric battery crap which no there jus gonna be recycling meanig putting these so called great eltric back into the ground like those compacted garbage mounds they call auto salvage yards they jus melt down into scrap heap hydrgen powerd car is more reasonable and reliable than recharging a car
fords08 2 years ago
Do you know how much exhaust pollution is created by cars in traffic jams, or waiting at traffic lights?
At least powerstations contact the pollution all at one location and stations by law are required to install extremely expensive 'scrubbers' to their chimneys.
Also remember that power can be generated by renewable energy sources: solar, wind, wave etc...try that with crude oil!!
tannagra 2 years ago 4
Did you tards ever think of how much electricity these cars use? Do any of you know how power plants are run? How much energy is wasted? Cars like these waste more energy than those that run on fossil fuels
Weazell 2 years ago
Wow buddy you couldn't be any more wrong. Electric cars are about 80 to 90 percent efficient, while gasoline cars are about 30 percent. Power plants waste energy at night because of the low demand, and that's when most of these cars charging, the'll be putting that wasted energy to good use.
ekuwa69 2 years ago 4
I didn't say anything about how efficiently the car uses the energy. Maybe you should look at how we keep our power plants powered and take into consideration how much electricity we already consume in this country. Then imagine it with several million of these electric hog cars.
Weazell 2 years ago
I am. I do know how we keep our power plants powered. And because we consume so much electricity during the day these power plants waste a lot of energy at night because it's cheaper for them to keep the turbines moving. So now we can use that wasted energy for these cars.
ekuwa69 2 years ago 2
@Weazell Gasoline has the equivalent of 34 kWh of energy per gallon. If internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles are only 20% efficient, that means almost 27 kWh are WASTED AS HEAT PER GALLON. So, again, which is more wasteful?
TypeORedPill 1 year ago
@Weazell EV haters always like to talk about pollution from power plants, but they never talk about how much pollution is made or how much energy is used to drill, pump, ship, refine, and truck gas to your neighborhood service station.
TypeORedPill 1 year ago
I cant wait to get away from these CS's who run oil companies.
gst69man 2 years ago 3
people seem to forget that petrol engines aren't very efficient and lose alot of the stored energy with biproducts such as heat etc. But with an electric engine the power is used 80% more efficiently and in the future most of the electricity grid will be harnessed from renewable energy
TuberDoobar 2 years ago 5
ELECTRIC CAR + SLOAR POWER = FREEDOM ! bravo nissan especialy for INDUCTIVE CHARGING a have a tothbrush caled Oral B Vitality that use exactly this technology and this also means WIRE FREE CHARGING ! BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO !
kostea13 2 years ago 5
I am for electric cars, we cant depends oil for life.
eal1011 2 years ago 4
I would much rather have a hydrogen based vehicle.
im1greatman 2 years ago
Yeah that would be great but I think there are too many problems with H2: Not very efficient; hard to create; hard to store; hard to transport; corrosive; explosive; etc
MickWiser 2 years ago
Joseph Romm's book "The hype about hydrogen" is an excellent analysis of the disadvantages of fuel cell vehicles
In short... they won't make sense unless there are a series of almost miraculous breakthroughs in H2 production, transport, and storage, as well as fuel cell efficiency.
AdmiralGnome 2 years ago
AdmiralGnome: Thank you for the reference. I guess H2 really isn't a viable solution :(
But I think batteries, nanocapacitors and electric technologies have a lot of promise.
MickWiser 2 years ago 4
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fuck these hippie cars, buy a mustang you fags
thetaliban69 2 years ago
everyone has mustangs now...
so overdone
aszenasi 2 years ago 3
@aszenasi YES. When I learned that 1 gal of gas has the energy of 60+ sticks of dynamite, I was no longer impressed with high HP internal combustion vehicles.
If the new Camaro came out 10 yrs ago, I might have bought one. Then the Tesla Roadster happened. Thank goodness GM is SO behind the curve.
TypeORedPill 1 year ago
yeahhh agree with everyone about burning coal and that so it kinda better to buy the 3rd gen prius or no ????
eduakin33406 2 years ago
Electric cars are so mis-reported.
Do you really want to wait until your battery is charged? What happens if their is an emergency and your battery isn't charged?
im1greatman 2 years ago
What happens if there's an emergency and you're out of gas? D.u.m.b.a.s.s.. The batteries can be loaded to 80% in 10 min.
Hokke88 2 years ago
I didn't say anything about gas, dumb fuck.
If the car is not charged a you really need to go somewhere, you can't.
im1greatman 2 years ago
Buy a bike.
Hokke88 2 years ago
Here in US and China the electric car ends up on average producing more CO2 than any other fueled transport. The problem isnt the cars its the fact nethier will abandon coal and fossil fuel powerplants. If US had spent half of the money from Iraqi war on geothermal it would now be the main source of power and all fossil fuel generators would be gone.
Icyndeep 2 years ago 2
Japs tsk tsk tsk they're awsome
xxhasudin 2 years ago
but the CEO of Nissan is a french guy. this is the globalism.
mildseven73 2 years ago
I agree with 766rielle on some level. A lot of things are overlooked.
Do we know the result if everyone starts charging their cars at night and throws away their battery every 5 years?
I am excited about this car, but also cautious.
jpeepz 2 years ago 2
Don't forget that if your electricity is produced by a coal plant, then this car will actually pollute more than a low emission diesel car...
And I wonder how polluting are the batteries once they are dead...
Maybe the best way too travel green is still public transportation?
766rielle 2 years ago
Why be so negative?? Yeesh
IanToronto 2 years ago 2
travel green, or travel free? Yeah. public transportation is a great option, but public transportation rather inefficient, especially in a country such as america, where we have cities sprawled out over so much space.. electric cars with quick-charge battery packs are an extremely feasable solution that is much more energy efficient than consuming even harder to find fossil fuels.. the battery packs could also be recycled.. just another maitanence thing, oil change, tire change, battery change.
bongobuddy 2 years ago 2
If your electricity is produced by a coal plant you are ALREADY polluting whether you have an electric car or not with your home electricity. So that argument is idiotic.
Charging your vehicle will not make the plant burn more coal than they are ALREADY burning.
So switching to an electric vehicle you are in fact becoming greener by taking the carbon foot print of the I.C.E. off the road.
xmykro 2 years ago 2
What do you mean xmykro? Of course if you charge a vehicle then more coal has to be burned compared to if you filled a car up with petrol.
ellhow 2 years ago
If the power plant is nuclear, hydroelectric, solar, or wind-powered, then there would be zero carbon emissions all around.
Raggioazzura 2 years ago 3
Yes Raggioazzura, good point - electricity is generic and many things can produce it. That is a great benefit for electric cars.
MickWiser 2 years ago
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so when everyone in the world plugs in their car the coal plants still burn the same amount of coal?
interesting...
MikaOwns 2 years ago
@MikaOwns Don't worry, at this rate, that will never happen.
TypeORedPill 1 year ago
I'm all for electric cars. But xmykro, charging a car, or anything electric you plug in, will make the power plant have to produce more electricity. Don't get ridiculous, have a reasonable discussion.
MickWiser 2 years ago
@766rielle That seems obvious, but it is a common misconception. Power plants are managed/operated to run at max efficiency to make a profit. Contrast that with the way millions of motorists drive. I challenge you to stop and observe this at any time of the day at any location.
TypeORedPill 1 year ago
GREAT!!!. i think this is even better than hybrids, but a step back from "plug-in hybrids" i'd buy one obviously. this will be a daily driver and if cross-country travel is needed. i'll just use my larger ICE car. but for my 97% daily commute. this is perfect. i wonder how much. im tired of gassing my EVO every week and a half and costing 40 some bucks. lets have it EVs. nice job nissan. brining a powerhouse (GT-R & 370Z) and an EV at the same time. you made a believer in me.
cyberian2000 2 years ago 2
Range has to be better!
My first laptop - battery life 2 hours!
My new laptop - battery life 7 hours!
If Nissan can get it to 500 miles - that'll work!
NSKOlover 2 years ago
a hundred miles on a battery pack that compact is an amazing feat in itself... especially for the price. you have to realize that you ARE moving over one ton of weight with this motor.. your laptop doesnt have to worry about anything like that.. and if you're going 50 miles an hour, that's two hours of life to a charge.. the technology still has some room to grow, but the fact that it's gone this far is amazing.
bongobuddy 2 years ago 4
Good analysis bongo!
MickWiser 2 years ago
@NSKOlover 500 mi?! That's easily a day's worth of driving. What kind of life is that?
TypeORedPill 1 year ago
so does it ever have to shift at all?
nismo2323 2 years ago
@nismo2323 No. Electric motors can operate at high rpm and put out 100% torque at 0 rpm.
TypeORedPill 1 year ago
Dang...why the two year gap for europe? I would imagine it'll sell a whole lot better in europe than America.
jdoge13 2 years ago 3
VERY cool!
yakyakyak69 2 years ago
How one shaft spinning in hoover
dam light millions of holmes. One little shaft on our cars now keep all the lights
on and radio and so on. and that still has
to get regulated with the altinator. Because it has the potential to produce
more than the system can handle.
golfdu222 2 years ago
Hey Hey the four wheels are turning like
tubines why waste that energy???? Put
altinators on the drive shaft that is turning
like a turbine and recharg the batterie like
we do with a nomal car batterie! I don't think nissan is very serious about a real
electric car?????
golfdu222 2 years ago
Think about what you are saying. Where does the energy come from that turns the wheels? Taking energy from the turning wheels will slow the car down or take more energy to keep the same speed. In other words it won't work.
JRP3 2 years ago
doh! That would slow the car down and cause friction and the motor would have to work harder to counter that friction...thats what regenerative braking is!!! When the regen brakes are applied it simply reverses the current to the motor this in turn causes friction which slows the car down and turns the electric motor into a huge dynamo whilst the brakes are applied!! The energy from the motor in reversed electrical state (ie dynamo) then feeds this energy back into the batteries.
DO YOUR HWK
ogicabp4u 2 years ago 2
Neo Japan is 20 years ahead of the world.
GerudoUK 2 years ago 3
My guess is that the initial costs will be high. The early adopters will be environmentally conscious wealthy persons with high profiles, for instance movie stars. As manufacturing of the batteries increases the price will come down and other groups will begin to afford these vehicles. Sub 30K? You're probably talking about 5-8 years; though much depends upon the ability to manufacture the batteries in high volume.
thoughtchallenge 2 years ago
Nissan is talking about leasing the batteries to bring down the initial cost about that of a regular car.
networkworld 2 years ago
Thanks for the video networkworld.
thoughtchallenge 2 years ago
...and if energysuppliers use the batteries for gridfunctions, they will pay some of the costs... maybe there will be that provider model, betterplace is helping on ist way... this car will cost 1buck???
kone234 2 years ago
Before I go to meet the Lord, I wish I can own a carlike that and still be able to drive with it.
petercawaing 2 years ago 2
Nissan appears to be doing everything right. People want 100% electric cars and this looks like it will be the best initial product. Hopefully the price will be no greater than 30k USD and they won't do anything silly like leasing their battery packs.
7magnavox 2 years ago 2