Have you seen the videos of these babies being aborted? They scream and try to push away from the suction tip. they die a horrible and painful death and it is proven. u support murder.
@crazyability says: They scream and try to push away from the suction tip
~~~~~~~~~~~ Explain how they get the air in the lungs to scream...prove they arent laughing, or yawning, and a fetus would move from its mothers loving hand if she could get it in there, now, do you have a point??
LOl, you idiot, how do you know they arent stretching their jaw, or laughing, or yawning? AND< how does a fetus scream? Screaming is the action of inhaling air and letting it out with sound.
did anyone actually watch this video? I made it through a little but it is terrible. Hard to read and incoherent. I know a homeless guy who does this kind of work on pizza boxes.
@ryddelwearsahat yeah this video just is not that good. The font could be bigger and maybe less of it. It almost maybe should be typed and put on a webpage rather than a youtube video. You are right it kinda sucks.
Alright I was just putting what I though. No one has the right to judge anyone, people are so good at judging eh? I still think its wrong, and it saddens me saying women having to pick that.. Alright let's move on with life now and no more fighting :)
@xmelichanx Saying that "no one has the right to judge anyone" is actually judging other people as having no right to judge anyone else. It's like saying this: "My judgement against you is that nobody should judge anyone else" or "My judgement is that nobody has the right to judge anyone else". In other words, it's a self-refuting statement. It's like saying "my brother is an only child" or "I can't speak a word in english".
@BestNewPCDeals o, basically, all you have to offer is smart-ass word play and the picking-apart of simple terms and ideals and taking them as far as you possibly can, just to be a prick.
Your foolish, and you want other people to suffer just cause you had a bad life and was put on this earth by mistake, and was gonna get tooken off the Earth on purpose, Im not trying to be mean and this may sound corny, but I love everyone, including you, why let people suffer like that? You know? Babys deserve to live wether made on accident or purpose!
@jhojho67 Who exactly do I want to SUFFER, pray tell, by not wanting other people to suffer? Fetuses are not babies and they don't 'deserve' anything, especially if it CAUSES suffering, poverty, or anything like it!
@xmelichanx Where does this right come from exactly? Also.. your rights stop where another person's begins- and a fetus is not a person, and the woman existed before the fetus did.
@ryddelwearsahat Okay, as for this inconceivable situation of being forbidden to adopt that you say you and another girl were faced with...I would have carried the baby to term, gave it up for adoption and done whatever it took to get the hell out of there if there were going to be consequences. This theory people try to lay on me about how the baby's life is over before it's even begun just doesn't fly. You can't predict what people will be able to do with what they've been given in life.
@randommagnum Even w/o a child in tow, when my dad went to prison, and left me and my mother alone, churhces, help hotlines, the governemnt would not help- we didn't qualify. I have NO trust or respect for CPS after the bullshit I had to deal w/- getting told i was NOT abused- would YOU trust the goddamn snakes w/ yourself LET ALONE your potential child after bruise son the face are 'not enough'? It happens more often than you think.. hence my viciousness toward people who claim to care, -c
-c b/c nine out of ten times, NO THEY DON'T. The whole damn reason I even became a nurse was b/c of how my own mother was treated by one of her nurses- I came home from school early and caught her shaking my mother by the arm and yelling at her to get out of bed, that her back didn't hurt 'that bad'.. Needless to say, the fuckwhore needed stitches and lost her damn license after I was through w/ her- I meet 'social workers' like her often.. If I had the ability to sit down and talk to and meet-c
-c adoptive candidates, and not just toss my kid to social services and expect them to pick up the slack, I would have GLADLY done so. I regret not being able to- it was a waste and a piece of worldly knowledge I'd rather NOT have about just how hole-filled social services really is.. But as far as I'm usually considered to the masses, either I'm just a liar or I hate children and make excuses. Sorry my life is not good enough to fit into your walgreens-commercial standards.
@ryddelwearsahat "walgreens-commercial standards" Oh, well I can see you aren't being judgmental of ME, are you...
You know what...if I were in that situation, and it was down to giving my child up for adoption, to state services (even as inept as they are), on the way to unknown adoptive parents, or maybe even an orphanage...that's better than killing my child. I would do it. Why? Because I don't believe in playing God and writing another person's life off as futile.
@randommagnum Good for you- maybe you'll be able to keep that CHOICE unless red-china takes over, the the xtain/catholic taliban take over and take AWAY that CHOICE.
@ryddelwearsahat Red China? You mean the place where they kill baby girls, after being born, by throwing them down onto the rocks? I don't follow that comparison.
@randommagnum You don't want that? Neither do I. Obviously we agree that forced aobrtion and forced infanticide is wrong. I also do not want the religious taliban to take over and handcuff pregnant women or detain like what was done to lesbians and pregnant aryan women in nazi germany who wanted to abort. =) You see, forced birth AND forced abortion are both wrong.
@ryddelwearsahat Forced death is wrong. There is another person there besides the mother; the child within has his/her own body, and to abort is to kill that other person. You say you are against infanticide, but I'm sure that if the law said that you could kill a baby up to 1 year old, you be all for that too, rather than side with the "religious Taliban"...You're a classic example of the kind of person who only does WHAT they are forced to, not motivated by a concept of right and wrong.
@randommagnum No, not at all. Adoption is available after birth- there is no need. You are completely misunderstanding me, I think. I don't believe in needless action- sometimes there is absolutely no need for abortion, and sometimes there is. My spectrum of needed and not-needed is just broader than yours, due to personal experience in the matter, which you obviously lack.
@ryddelwearsahat I'll say you have a broader spectrum of when abortion is justified...too broad in my obvious opinion. No, I've never been pregnant, but you must know that you lack experience too...that is, the kind of experience that would even come close to making you qualified to judge someone else's life away. The only way you could get that experience would be to be dismembered/poisoned/crushed/cut up and finally left to die. THAT is the real abortion experience, for the victim.
@randommagnum Oh, you mean I'd have to be rendered completely braindead/nonpresent first and THEN dismembered while i cannot feel it or think or remember..
@ryddelwearsahat No, not completely brain-dead/non-present. We've already established that this is not the case. Have you ever seen "the silent scream"? It shows a baby futilely struggling for survival in an abortion. You can see it at silentscream d org. I DARE you to watch that whole video, in light of all you support.
By the way... How far along were you at the time of your own "forced miscarriage"?
@randommagnum LOl The silent scream was PROVEN to be a hoax- even the makers admitted it was a lie, right? I did watch it and laughed my ass off- I saw it after I received my degree in neurology from college. Propaganda and fear-based control at it's FINEST. I was about 3 months.
The first link, to MSN, makes no mention of this film.
The second link was cut and pasted from Planned Parenthood's 1985 rebuttal, which is basically their lengthy opinion on the film. They cite the ACOG opinion (which is far from a consensus among modern medicine) and other than that they only cite the authors of that piece and the film. They term obvious reactions to the onslaught as "reflex", cite conclusions from "experts in ultrasonography and film technology"...
...but fail to mention who they are, and even stretch it as far as saying that the mouth couldn't be positively identified or that a scream can't occur without air in the lungs. It's what one would expect from the McDonald's of abortion clinics nationwide, protecting their business mainly with terminology, supported by arbitrary definitions and opinions. They're (and you) won't concede that there is pain and/or distress without a signed affidavit from the baby on it's experience.
The third link supports what I have been trying to tell you! It supports what I was saying about how the full cognitive development doesnt' happen until a long time after birth, and how your definition of personhood would allow slaughter of born infants.
NOW, you claimed that the film was a "PROVEN to be a hoax", and you have only cited speculative opinions. Where's the PROOF of a HOAX? And what about that ADMISSION that you conveniently can't find...
@randommagnum I'm looking for it, un- I found it a long time ago, and the goddamn link won't show. If I can't find it, I'll fully rescind my claim that I have proof it was admitted as a hoax.. in the meantime feel free to figure out exactly how to adopt a fetus from the womb, and not just a newborn, which I don't support, lol, b/c HOLY SHIT ADOPTION AND SAFE HAVEN EXISTS THE MOMENT BIRTH IS OVER! Like I said like eighty times- killing after birth is needless.
@ryddelwearsahat Like I said, there is nothing to prevent people from making the arrangements for the adoption before the baby is born. It's not legally binding until the baby is actually born and the biological mother gives up parental rights, but the process can still be started beforehand.
"killing after birth is needless"... Yeah, now let me ask you this: what if you had someone who, regardless of "need", still wanted to do that — to kill the born baby...should they be permitted to do it?
@randommagnum No, there is no need. Same like w/ pedophilia(bear w/ me here, PLEASE) yeah, they want to, all that shit, freedom, ect.. and yes, pedophilia, like all other sexual attractions, are actually natural- but a child cannot consent, and sex w/o consent is rape, and they can refrain) and whack off instead. I in no way condone pedophilia(ew and WHY?!) but it is as base an analogy as I can provide to the 'want to' argument here. Adoption, safe haven, police/fire stations, churches, 911 ect.
So as long as those are around, there's no need for abortion, right? None of those existed when you did yours? It's like you've got one set of criteria for yourself as to what constitutes NEED for abortion, and another set for everyone else.
@randommagnum Just b/c it exists doesn't mean it is readily available.. what good is a a rattlesnake antivenom in a hospital 300 mi. away, if the man who is bitten is in the middle of nowhere w/o even a cell phone? I explained my circumstances.. plenty of other women face similar, or even wildly different and it's the same.. unless it is AVAILABLE, not just 'there lol' it's fucking pointless. Sorry, but pedophilia /is/ natural, grody as it is. It's fucked-up brain wiring.
@ryddelwearsahat What the hell kind of argument is that? Your situation wasn't comparable to being in the middle of nowhere with no phone, 300 miles from any of those institutions. That's bullshit and you know it. Take any one of these situations where abortion is unnecessary according to your judgment (if there truly are any) and the women in those situations are going to pull the exact same line of bullshit.
It's not that other options aren't available...it's that they're ignored.
@randommagnum So in other words.. when children are abused and are refused help/are afraid to ask help and GET refused(like me), they are lazy and have noone to blame but themselves, did I get that right? IF god is reall, chances are I'll be seeing you in hell, psychopath. THAT is a good one- right up there w/ that one guys' comment about 'niggers gone wild' or that one bitch's comment about my abusing my children when I don't even have any- yeah, w/e helps to 'defend babies' aka your politico.
@ryddelwearsahat a). Just because someone is abused doesn't mean they have to go into shut-down mode; b). being afraid to ask for help doesn't excuse hurting someone else; c). even if you were refused, you didn't have to give up. Oh — tell me about how you were turned away.
Obviously the dad had to shoulder some blame too, but you are responsible for what you could've done and didn't. You refuse to see it, and even worse, you are PROMOTING abortion to try and repair your own ego. Not good.
@randommagnum The lady from CPS looked right through the bruise son my face to tell me i was NOT being abused. No broken skin, broken bones, drugs/sex abuse= ALL FINE JACK. When dear ol' dad went to prison and we needed money/help- the church refused us for 'attacking a child of god(my father), called me a liar, excused the abuse(even the cheekbone fracture) as 'discipline'(spare the rod). Hotlines didn't believe what they heard. I was a liar.. isn't that GREAT? FUCK the 'help' & whoever is -c
"The lady from CPS looked right through the bruise son my face to tell me i was NOT being abused."
What CPS division was this?
"the church refused us for 'attacking a child of god(my father), called me a liar, excused the abuse(even the cheekbone fracture) as 'discipline'(spare the rod)."
-c stupid enough to believe those fangfaced fuckoffs care. No, my ego is quite fine if I can stand up for myself and defend my existence and history and not cry to some tin god for 'forgiveness' or ask for asspats from judgemental control-freaks like you.. eh? What, gonna tell me that I regret it or something now? Please- feel free to take away my right to my own OPINION- you seem keen on bodily freedom, mental is fine too then? Lol bad mood for me tonight. I'm talking about the shit that -c
"FUCK the 'help' & whoever is stupid enough to believe those fangfaced fuckoffs care."
Well, if they are guilty of all you say, then you shouldn't be afraid to say who they are.
"No, my ego is quite fine"
Naturally you'd say that...
"and not cry to some tin god for 'forgiveness'"
Funny how you say that right after suggesting that *I* am going to hell... You can't play both sides of it, no matter how much you'd like to think you can.
"ask for asspats from judgemental control-freaks like you"
You're exponentially more judgmental and controlling than me, as you judge someone else's personhood, what you think their future would hold, and CONTROL whether or not they live...depending on what YOU want in life. Don't give me that bullshit.
"What, gonna tell me that I regret it or something now?"
I'm just pointing out what you do to try to safeguard against regret. Obviously there's a need for that in your case.
-c other THINGS like you have said to me in the past- online and in person, to defend their supposedly pro'life' stance. I'm curious as to how far you'll end up going if you get mad at what I have to say.. One women was so offended with me that she accused me of lying about not having children and thoroughly believed I abused my children. Even a few of her friends from facebook come on here, pm'd me about it. From where I stand- you're all slavering predators who don't CARE about anything but -c
"I'm curious as to how far you'll end up going if you get mad at what I have to say"
You have much to learn about what you are up against, if you're holding out hope for that...
"One women was so offended..."
Well I'm not her. But, I will ask you for facts, which is a fair expectation. Forget about who you've had a run-in with before; you are dealing with me now..
-c a single wlagreens-commerical ideal- and if living proof comes up and wags a figner and says 'nuh uh, I'm right here- face me- I'm living proof your single excuse does NOT fit ALL SIZES' you play with words, make up shit and more excuses, pretend something must have been left out/that I was lazy, ect.. w/e the hell you possibly can come up w/ that makes it easier to 'defend babies lol' and fight the whores. Pity. You're a coward, a brain-nazi, a history-nazi, and verbal sleight-of-hand.
"From where I stand- you're all slavering predators who don't CARE about anything but a single wlagreens-commerical idea"
Course you believe that, because it makes you feel better about who you're up against next to yourself. Paint them with a "fakeness" paintbrush, so that you'll feel more real about your own self. Someone doesn't support what you support/do, so you attack their character to bolster your own shaky ideology. It's a typical reaction.
"and if living proof comes up and wags a figner and says 'nuh uh, I'm right here- face me- I'm living proof your single excuse does NOT fit ALL SIZES'"
All you've done is wag your finger. You have shown proof of nothing in your favor, but you have demonstrated how WEAK the foundation of your ideology is.
"you play with words, make up shit"
Nope, I haven't. That itself is an example of hypocrisy.
More than that, I've taken the high-ground, which makes it much easier to fight you. You have taken the low road, so the fight is an uphill battle for you. That's your own fault. You resort to ad hominem attacks, name calling, projecting your own specious tactics onto me (hoping the outside observer won't notice, since you know I will) and doing intellectual and ethical somersaults to prevent yourself from feeling the the bad guy. Please, continue if you like..
@randommagnum No, I'm done w/ this. If all you have elft is to pick-and-choose, mnipualte cotnext, and pretend certain things ahve, have NOT been said, all so you can attack me for something I never actually did or said to begin w/(in order to attack me for being prochoice) then you've lost this. You've 'taken' nothing. You've only proven my original assertions correct- in order to BE pro'life' you have to lie, you have to conveniently forget things constantly.. IF you're not trolling.. WTF?
@ryddelwearsahat I've been consistent throughout and if you don't think so, show me where. YOU are the one who has been twisting around things, employing sophistry and specious arguments, particularly when it comes to taking you personal experiences, not as the apply to actually giving birth but more to general abuse or unrelated circumstances (since you aborted). I've pointed all of this out; it's there for all to see.
You have proven the classic pro-abortion lack of integrity. Congrats.
@randommagnum Fail. Yes, it is all there to see- too bad i doubt anyone would take the time/effort to read our entire convo here and on the other video from beginning to end. But I don't care- as I've said before- my rights remain intact and all you have, at the end of the day, are lies, word-play, and ASSumption that wouldn't hold up for half a horse's shit in court.. must be the reason why pro'life'rs hate LAW so much- they'd end up in contempt if they pulled this shit!
@ryddelwearsahat Well let them read it. You're arguments basically amounted to a bunch of pro-abortion cliches but never pinpointed on anything...at least, nothing that wasn't successfully refuted. You spent your time throwing personal attacks, likening me to people I'm not, and throwing out concepts without successfully linking them to why your position works...and again, you throw up Roe v. Wade like crying "uncle!". If the personhood amendment gets through...will you cherish the LAW then?
"Law is meaningless if it has no fact or reason to back it up!"
"Doesn't matter how it was legalized, just that it was, you know."
So even if it wasn't legalized with fact or reason, and is therefore meaningless, that doesn't matter as long as it was indeed legalized...
That sums up your whole position on abortion. You don't care about fact or reason, right or wrong, or anything... as long as you CAN do it, you don't care. Nice one.
@randommagnum Okay, let me spell it out for you- roe vs. wade was pretty much silly and hollow.. but legalizing it was still for the best for women everywhere, and THEIR needs and reasons- the FACTS surrounding THEIR abortions(and not the ACTUAL convenience abortions or what have you) are what make it just and are what KEEP it legal nowadays. Does that make sense? 0o;
@ryddelwearsahat You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. So Roe v. Wade was silly and hollow...aren't silly and hollow laws the kind which you said you would fight wholeheartedly against? Well not Roe v. Wade, because of what it gives you. That's hypocritical. And remember this: Roe v. Wade is what makes "convenience" abortions possible, by your definition of "convenience" (whatever that is) or mine. How do you feel about that?
@randommagnum Okay, let me try that again. The way roe vs wade was passed into law was silly. That should never have happened on the terms it did- it was an insult to every woman and teen who has ever needed an abortion and suffered from the lack of that right. But, it being legalized, despite the WAY it was legalized, has helped much more than it has hindered. ....is that clear enough for you?
@ryddelwearsahat Oh, it's clear as a bell; you are all about the ends justifying the means...and that is counter to what you said about what you'd fight "wholeheartedly". If it serves you, you don't care how lousy it is. It's like people who are able-bodied welfare recipients...they know the system doesn't work, but the important thing to them is that it's paying THEM. No integrity about it though.
@randommagnum I'm not on welfare, lol. I shouldn't even really be insured b/c I pay all my bills in cash, straight-up(thought it is nice incase I ever suddenly OMG SPINE TRANSPLANT or w/e). Medical, vehicle, phone, net, cable, car insurance, anything I want- straight up. I earned my life and destroyed myself to not have to rely on someone ELSE'S good-ass graces to get what I want.. but I'm sure even though I'm NOT doing what you just insulted you'll still find a way to insult me anyway, rite? =)
@ryddelwearsahat I never said you were on welfare, but you are like them, in a way. The point is that you don't care if something is right or just; all you care about is what you get out of it. Of course, I know how much you loved being able to give a big speech about how well you've earned everything you have...but that was a total dodge around what you knew was the point.
@randommagnum Again w/ the telling me how I think/feel. No, I do care about what is right and wrong, and do not approve of waste, laziness, or disrespect. I already explained why I am pro-choice, where I stand on infanticide, my personal experiences/opinions/knowledge, and explained repeatedly that no I do NOT support 'the ends justify the means'- the same could be said to you in reverse' the life of the potential baby is worth any degradation, suffering, even death of women. Back atcha, broski.
@ryddelwearsahat You make what you think and feel obvious. You apparently define "right and wrong" according to what you want for yourself. You say that you don't support "the ends justify the means", but you've shown that in fact you do, with many other posts. Your attempt to turn that back on me fails, because the degradation and suffering is worse, and death certain for the baby when compared with the mother. Ends vs. ends or means vs. means, abortion fails.
@randommagnum Well you get PART of what I'm saying, atleast. You realize it goes both ways, that one way or another you do end up sacrificing one thing for another.. but in the end it's about values, and the woman is still infinitely worth more than a developing fetus, for reasons already mentioned. You support it, too- 'fuck the woman, save the baby'. Mine is fuck the fetus, save the woman. But in the end, I'm the one caring about an actual person, and not a mere potentiality. You are backward.
"IF god is reall, chances are I'll be seeing you in hell"
I'm sure you'd love that idea. So you like the idea of a God who excuses killing for convenience, money, college, or to avoid the indignity of dropping a baby off at a save haven, etc., and damns those who challenge those ideas and, in the process, offends people like you who did it, don't regret it and encourage others to do it? Just what do you believe, anyway?
"niggers gone wild"? My "politico"? What are you talking about?
cont. There are organizations out there that can help in situations just like that, state-ran and otherwise, who can and will help and YES, they can be found. It's a matter of life and death for the child, and he/she deserves a chance. No matter how bad of a situation they are being born into, really there's no difference between killing the baby inside or outside the womb, but would you have done that?
@Soothfish Lol so you're saying i could ahve safely, easily defended myself and NOT ended up homeless or in child services? Or gotten killed by dear ol' dad who's now in prison for attempted REAL murder? Lol how did i abuse or make my potential child suffer, when it was not even physically capable of being self-aware, or feeling physical pain, let alone emotional turmoil as it was beaten and w/o protection by child service snakes or my own father? Are you god? Hi, god- i had no idea youre god!
People who have chosen to abort a child due to terrible circumstances in their life often assume that's what motivates abortion in other's lives. Here's the stats.
25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
21.3% Cannot afford a baby
14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
12.2% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
@onceuponapriori The mass want to postpone childbearing.. why? Just 'cuz'..? Or b/c they are unprepared to even handle a pregnancy, nevermind parenthood? Get to know a woman who aobrted willingly and is NOT a PAS-suffering victim of abuse.. PAS is mainly CAUSED BY pro'life' propaganda and verbal abuse/manipulation- being called a 'whore' or a 'selfish murderer' ect.. being told how they 'really' feel, ect.. Get to understand women and their lives' needs in depth w/o an overall statistic label.
I know three women who've had abortions. One had several abortions and absolutely used it as a birth control mechanism. The other two both came from wealthy families (and I mean *very* wealthy.) One didn't want it to interfere with her career, the other was rather young (and perhaps the most understandable from the bunch.)
In any event, these are just anecdotes but the numbers/statistics don't lie. It's fallacious to assume that most women who have abortions are like you.
@onceuponapriori I would consider a career to be more important than a fetus, especially if you cannot provide for it. Wealthy or not, your job/ability to provide comes first- or you can screw up the child. I'm possibly pregnant right now, and if I was not in the position i am now- w/ a willing father, a good job/.education behind me, ect.. I'd probably have an abortion b/c I would not be able to safely undergo the trouble of an unwanted child, or even an unwanted pregnancy & all it entails. -c
-c I would not irresponsibly bring a child into the world I cannot provide for- I couldn't live w/ myself for doing such a thing. Peer pressures and the need for the means to provide for yourself/.others independently are horrible and vast and come in many different forms, whether you see them or not. If you want to have children later, not now, there is obviously a reason for that, whether or not it is obvious to you or told to you personally. Using it AS B/C however, is just retarded.
@ryddelwearsahat Just look at the statistics. The members in the first group -- that is, the majority -- are *not* motivated *primarily* from financial trouble, by a husband who doesn't want the child, too young, peer/family pressure, health, etc
They just don't want to have a child now. They're perfectly happy having one later. You are just wrong about why most women have abortions. For *most*, it seems it's just another form of birth control because they want to have kids later in life.
We Christians must pray for these Pro-choice Evildoers for their murderous hearts of stone to be converted into Pro-Life hearts of love and respect for their fellow Citizens. We must pray that these wicked Pro-choice Advocates of Satan's culture of death renounce their sin against Almighty God our eternal Father, their denial of another Citizen's right to life, and Crime against Humanity that they be redeemed from the fires of everlasting HELL that awaits all unrepentant Pro-choice Murderers.
It is quite a cute video though. I appreciate your tenacity, and while you make several good points surrounding your argument they are lacking, and ill founded, especially on the scientific front. The bulk of your video appeals to emotions (as much of the pro-choice movement always has) yet ignores the underlying issues that even abortion will continue to propagate. At least you are forthcoming with adoption (though your arguments against are petty) and I agree with contrception devices so :p
@bmxrox168 Abortion rates have actually gone DOWN since it has been legalized, and they flex with an increase and decrease in population. No one can truly say at this point that they are going up or down. A year ago, they were said to be decreasing, this year, increasing, next year, who knows? We can't predict the pattern for abortion, it is just as inconclusive as predicting the end of the world.
@dustygirl122 "After 1973, legalization of abortion led to an approximately tenfold increase in the total number of abortions, though there is some dispute over the prelegalization statistics."
Some dispute over pre-legalization statistics and precise numbers, but the numbers have indisputably increased, and significantly.
You also claim we are all born "blank-slates" there are many scientists that would argue the nature-nurture line with you and you would find yourself in way over your head. That debate is hardly settled, but most of the consensus lies in both genetic and environment remain responsible for a persons make-up/personality/individualism. The truth is, however, that during conception, a truly unique genetic human person is created, and will have no other chance at existence...ever, if not now..never
@bmxrox168 Yeah, and with each period I flush a baby down the drain then. With your argument, any ejaculation and period occuring at the same time is murder, cause those two combined can create a fetus. And if you are going to say you are just referring to fertilized eggs, then all the eggs they fertlize in science labs is murder too. (This is how we learn about genes and where all your evidence comes from)
@dustygirl122 First...I never called it murder, I don't understand the necessity of that term in either party's side. DO NOT put words in my mouth then argue against them. I'm unsure what you are attacking here. Of course I'm only talking about fertilized eggs, these are a HUGE part of my entire argument, the unique identity possessed, whose DNA belongs to neither parent, but forms its own unique genetic material when combined... I made this clear throughout..you have a lot of reading to do.
@dustygirl122 Having said that.. I don't want to drudge this argument back up from point a to point z after having spent so much time with Rydell and others on it. I've said my peace, if you guys come up with anything worthwhile I might post in response, but if you permeate your entire arguments on defeated logical sweeps then I'll simply ignore you, and refer the rest of the readers to my other hundreds of comments.
@dustygirl122 Haha, just to be clear, and perhaps point out your wonderous perceptive abilities, I'll note: a Period is the end of a menstrual cycle, in which an egg that FAILED to be fertilized is completely useless and unable to sustain life, so...unless you are digging during your 2-4 ovulating days and taking out a fresh viable egg and flushing it..your argument has absolutely no merit (not that It did otherwise, its just fun to point out your lack of thought on this issue)
Another issue I hardly take seriously is the use of the term "forced" birth, which is redundant, there is only one situation when a birth is forced, and that is when the conception is forced, you cannot split up the process. I also take issue with you claiming that responsibility for a pregnancy cannot be had by women, when the state implies continuously that MEN are held responsible and unable to withdrawal from pregnancy, and are forced to pay child support for their conceptions.
I understand how you must feel though, here there are several people telling you that your choices were directly harmful, and yet you know you can't be that "stupid" or that "mal-informed" I understand how cognitive dissonance works, and I realize that you are simply placating your own choices with selective information. Honestly, I don't blame you, you were raised by idiots, and thus acted idiotically, but to deny facts NOW, when the truth is found, well my dear that's a mental illness.
You make some daunting displays of scientific acrobatics. Does the state not attempt to protect the interest of a 1 month old child to its best ability? Claiming that the formation of memory is the crux of the "soul" or cognition makes destroying a child before toddler years just fine, maybe you should review your opinion on this one, or is it true that you agree to infanticide? Otherwise you provide no citation/reference and most of your scientific claim is just misrepresented opinions.
I need to ask you an important question.. Why haven't you killed yourself yet? If it is a rescuing effort as you claim it is when you abort your child out of the necessity to protect it from your horrible life, why haven't you saved yourself in such a manner? The reason I ask this question is because you will see that despite the conditions placed upon a person, the will to live is almost ALWAYS there, so you do it no favors by taking away the one thing it would've had...existence.
@bmxrox168 2 attempted suicides- both times I was caught and stopped. I still have serious depressive mood swings. I do consider it occasionally, but I'm afraid to die w/ the memories I have. Now or 100 years from now, it'll still be there. Sorry, but the 'truth' is- what happened in my life happened for the reasons mentioned- it's funny how often people try to excuse, change around, or deny why/how I did things b/c they don't like what they hear- truth hurts sometimes, sorry. I don't agree -c
@ryddelwearsahat Well why on earth would they stop you dear? This is befuddling.. here you are rescuing your unborn child from all the pain and suffering of existance and no legal force attempts to hinder your efforts, in fact many are pursuing the same goal, whereas when you attempt to take yourself out of this world you are challenged, and stopped TWICE... seriously is there something wrong here..why would law enforcement be so inclined to stop you from taking your own life?
@ryddelwearsahat I don't deny, or try to change what happened to you, you aren't the only person in the world that has suffered btw. I had my first child at 15, and yes it was a struggle, I got a job and dropped out of school to make more money to support my son (Alone because the mother left us) Like you, I don't regret a thing, and seeing him develop into his full potential (he's incredible but I'm not going to brag here) has been the highlight of my very life..the utmost pride and happiness
-c to infanticide b/c there is no need- you can adopt a newborn(unless forced like my mother was, and originally she wanted to abort me and was forced not to as well, so..) unless you're mental infanticide is unnecessary and is not even a realistic part of the debate. I can give citations if you'd like.. I can PM them to you. Obviously you are the one who is mentally impaired if you cannot understand the difference between wanted pregnancy, and unwanted.. consent to sex is not consent to -c
@ryddelwearsahat Infanticide is essential to the debate when you base your scientific assertions on how far back we can remember. I'm certan my first clear memory is near 1.5 years or possibly older, well beyond my first breath, and you claim that is the precipice of human cognition..the formation of clear recoverable memory (needless to say science disproves you here as well, but that's unnecessary I'm only punching holes in your argument to get you to think more rationally, more critically.)
@ryddelwearsahat Again..we draw huge lines between men and women when a man consents to sex and is equally responsible for the child in the form of child support, the woman however is offered the chance to destroy the consequence at her leisure in the form of induced abortion. Why is there a conflict here? Obviously until that conflict is resolved we cannot assume all things are correct, either men are getting screwed here..or women have to face responsibility as well.and consent to sex = baby
@ryddelwearsahat I've yet to see any of your citations by the way. PM them if you'd like, i'll be sure to post my refutations (if these sources actually exist...laughable) here on this forum of discussion. I must re-iterate, when you draw a line between a real human being and someone without the capability of memory, or even as you put it later, the ability to write poetry....you are supporting infanticide, and even more so.
-c parenthood. You really must be a control freak if you have to go so far as to decide what other people think/feel when they have sex, if you have to say THAT. I don't in any way believe in forced child-support UNLESS it is a rape, sorry. It is sexist against men. I really have nothing else to say to your other points b/c they are ones I've heard and defeated too many times before to count and I'm tired of repeating myself to such obvious questions/dilemmas..
@ryddelwearsahat Yes I'm a huge control freak, I also think we need to control those who would rape/murder/steal among various other things that promote harm to society or individuals. So what? My real hope is that people reading this will understand that despite the underlying reasoning for sex, the risk of pregnancy is apparent and if thought out critically, we might avoid the source of the problem..in other words more people will WRAP IT UP or learn to control themselves better.
@ryddelwearsahat So you think holding men responsible for conceiving children is sexist..interesting to know how many other pro-choice supporters would agree with you on this. How do you feel about the following acts? 1. Prostitution 2. Illicit drug use/possession/selling 3. Gambling 4. Drunk Driving 5. Public nudity 6. Suicide or medically assisted suicide. 7. Not wearing a Seat belt Just wondering your opinion on these "victimless" crimes..these are all considered illegal in most states.
@bmxrox168 I was a prostitute and drug-dealer to supoort myself/my mother when my father went to jail. narcotics and whoring are NOT victimless- the majority of people who buy women/use drugs are emotionally troubled, are violent, carry STDs, put others around them at serious risk... same w/ drunk driving- it's not just you, it's others on the road. Public nudity I could actually care less about- everyone has a fucking body and they all look the same- grow up. Suicide is a form of mental -c
@ryddelwearsahat Hah..great win here..no answer just some random bullcrap, you can't answer your honest opinion without creating conflict so your wedge between logic and your reality grows wider..awesome I love winning. It is obvious you don't possess the intellectual capital to survive debate with me, your comments are at best rampant attempts at saving face by blithering the argument into nuanced deference and irreverence for logic I'll gladly accept my win and be done with you.
@ryddelwearsahat When you discuss the non-victimless crimes you realize that the state has a compelling interest to control these activities because the involve another person in most cases, (some are completely victimless), the state as well has a compelling interest to protect the human being developing, that is the basis of most of my argument, so please focus on that if you wish to stand any chance in this debate, rather than circling your illogical programming.
-c illness. Unless the person who commits suicide is terminally ill/suffering,m like a cancer patient, ect, there is no need- once again this is from personal experience- I attempted suicide twice. A living, breathing person being killed/killing thierself is completely different from aborting an unwanted fetus that exists as nothing more than developing meat, and the CONCEPT of what is to come AFTER birth., nevermind the whole 'survival' thing where woman>fetus. I don't see the point of this -c
@ryddelwearsahat again avoiding the prime philosophical question and nuance the argument into a realm where your mind can deduce no conflict with your personal reasoning up to this point. Chalk up another win for me.Occam's Razor for the second argument. A person by definition is an individual human being, a fetus is an individual human being. End. it is not developing meat...wow sickening really. Either way I'm done with you..too ez.
@ryddelwearsahat Here, since it is difficult for you to see, I will draw the line of your conflict. You state that scientifically memory is required for something to be considered a living human being, yet you state here that "AFTER birth." is the time in which you draw your arbitrary line of distinction. RESOLVE YOUR OWN CONFLICTING STATEMENTS. Is it when memory develops? or is it when the child is birthed? Or do you really have no scientific basis whatsoever, and you are simply full of it.
-c really, b/c your attempts at throwing of the logic/justification of abortion by offering completely UNconnected crimes/philosophies is just.. silly. If you have to try this hard(grasp at straws) then you really don't know that much about abortion, human nature/survival, politics, psychology, or human history.. Or, you're just extremely shallow. I just said I disagree w/ forced child-support, obviously that means I think it is as equally wrong as forced birth. Both should be purely -c
@ryddelwearsahat Ignore the questions at hand because they will draw conflict between your rationale. This is obvious deference/repression. You are categorically a victim of cognitive dissonance, look it up, it is a psychological term in fact. This was in fact a question to the legitimacy of the claim that a person has the right to do whatever they want with their own body, abortion isn't a victimless crime, and far less so than the examples I posted.. Great fail for you epic win for me. GG
@bmxrox168 Actually, i ignored the questions that to me, were just rediculous. What does 'personality' mean? Or 'personhood'? How do I fail at explaining that the crimes you listed are NOT 'victimless' and put other people at risk? Abortion destroys an empty developing human shell- sorry, but if you're going to call me an epic fail, you might go and re-read my answers to you. Again, you are doing nothing but spouting petty insults at my logic/responses and then plowing on ahead even though -c
@ryddelwearsahat Is it possible you are simply far too dense for me to even waste my time speaking with? I shouldn't have to overly simplify my arguments in order for a layperson to comprehend where they are failing to make any sensible claims, especially with regards to common scientific research. A person is any individual human being, google it. What you speak of is pure functionalism. The ability to perform a function, or action does not denote personhood, simply being human grants that.
-c what i just said pretty much makes what you said before, and just said now meaningless. An aborted fetus is not a thinking, feeling, conscious person- it cannot suffer, cry, write poetry, enjoy music, love/be loved as anything more than a concept of what is to come. It cannot be adopted until birth((9 months lol) have faith/deny god, ANYTHING. If you kill a human in that early a stage of life to save/help a human that has actual personhood that is is not wrong- it is moral and not even -c
@ryddelwearsahat There are people that cannot perform all of the functions that every other human being can, and some that can far outperform others in specific areas, does this fact make any one person less of a human being. What of people under a certain age, where arguments can be made to define their lack of cognition, memory, or any of the things you listed. Your argument in fact supports unilateral infanticide, and in many cases euthanasia...READ WHAT YOU WRITE Dear.
@ryddelwearsahat Aside from the fact that you are categorically wrong in the scientific sense about your established belief of the humanity of an early human. I have never, nor will I ever, agree to disallow a woman to save her life through the means of abortion, this is self defense.I would make the same decision for a woman protecting herself from her 18 year old son who attempted to stab her,she can kill him in self defense. You fail to realize that this only considers less than 1% abortions
@ryddelwearsahat "An aborted fetus is not a thinking, feeling, conscious person- it cannot suffer, cry, write poetry, enjoy music, love/be loved as anything more than a concept of what is to come." I really love this. So we should be able to legally kill deaf persons. (enjoy music), the illiterate (write poetry), those without tear ducts(cry), or emotional incapacity(suffer/cry), or anyone that has a generally great life (suffer) without the law getting involved..WOW you convinced me../sarc
@ryddelwearsahat Hopefully by now it is sinking in that functionalism, as an argument, is a fail when it comes to the definition of what is and what is not considered a unique human being (the pure definition of person) if that were the case, persons such as Stephan Hawking, would be in utterly terrible shape, as their fate could be decided..well in your opinion, by his mother.
@ryddelwearsahat As far as consciousness goes, could you please...my dear...supply me with a citation that indicates the precise moment when consciousness is apparent in a person (you'll be surprised as to what you find) this must be a scientifically observable, or at least have medical consensus as a source. When you've wasted hours figuring out it doesn't exist come back here and tell me what am I to do with my patient on anesthesia? Can I kill him..I don't want to perform this surgery.
-c questionable. You have some shoddy values if you reduce us to our DNA- man is more than image. How is what I said illogical? B/c I disagreed w/ you (and proved you wrong effortlessly)by telling you that when I have sex I'm not doing it to make a child but to feel good, had an abortion at 14, and that my actions are treated as just that? You're the one w/ reality problems if you have to go brain-nazi and try to think/feel/judge/live for other people as deeply as their sexual activity.
@ryddelwearsahat The DNA argument is the scientific proponent disputing your claims that the tissue is nothing more than a comparable entity to other body parts of the same human being. It also provides rigorous support for the argument of individuality the distinct human factor that separates any one person from another. As far as sex=pregnancy goes. Despite your motives for having unprotected vaginal intercourse the risk of pregnancy still exists, you do not mute risk by changing your view.
@ryddelwearsahat You conflict yourself in various statements, ignore the reality of state compelling interest, ignore the scientific proof of human life before birth..how is any of it LOGICAL? I'm not a "brain-nazi" whatever you consider that to be. I consider myself a sincerely concerned person, when it comes to the rights of all people, including the incredibly young. I think sexual activity is fine, as is education on the risks of sexual acts, and accepting responsibility for actions.
-c consentual- parenthood is not about force, it is about willingness and sacrifice- and force takes away that and replaces it w/ guilt, fear, anger, even violence. Again, you are lying when you say consent to sex=baby- b/c I obviously disagree w/ that- and even aborted to take it even further, at 14. Consent to sex=the possibility of getting pregnant, and then there are options- keep it, adopt it, or abort it if there are no other options. It's been that way since the dawn of man, it is only -c
@ryddelwearsahat I don't lie. I speak only the beautiful truth as best I know it. Vaginal intercourse (i.e. sex) has a risk of pregnancy, therefore making a decision to have vaginal intercourse is making a decision to be pregnant. It is obvious. I'm not saying options don't exist, (for women, men aren't granted the same option) I'm trying to get you to realize conflict and resolve it with logic. You are stubborn, unwilling, and take an illogical approach to justify your basis.
@ryddelwearsahat I'm trying to make you realize that the two are combined, and the problem can be avoided ultimately with a full understanding and rational decision making based on this fact. It really is an unconnected issue, except when you call the gestation of a pregnancy a forced event, which is most certainly is not, that is you adopting terms to a consensual action, and labeling it as a forced action, you are changing the definitions here not me.
@ryddelwearsahat Ultimately I fear you'll have the ability to reserve your tenacious will to "win" an argument, by being anything other than perplexedly stubborn in your views. You have already shown an inability to evolve with debate and challenge yourself with new ideas, you simply deny that any such conflict exists in a state of repetitive repression, the psychological term discerns you as a cognitively dissonant person. I understand why you try so hard to guard yourself.It's not your fault
@bmxrox168 I'm sorry, but.. 0o; what you are saying is pretty much just bullshit, though- you are effectively telling me what i do/do not think/feel/want, and when I disagree w/ that, you're telling me to conform to YOUR opinions.. not gonna happen, control-freak. What do i repress- nonexistant guilt you seem to WANT me to experience? 'knowledge' of a higher reasoning that I'm too.. prideful..?.. to accept? I'd rather fuck a goat than listen to this crap- no WONDER abortion is legal.
@ryddelwearsahat I don't want you to experience anything other than the wisdom and depth of what I say here. You are free to express yourself in any such way, but be warned, when speaking from misconception, falsehood, deception, or repressed selectivity of ideation, you will be met often with someone like me to show the holes in your many logical errors. Don't feel so worried, this is really less about you (as I doubt you'll ever realize your err) and more about publicizing your lies.
@ryddelwearsahat Here's the beauty of it. Nobody is actually forced into parenthood. There are incredible options nowadays to avoid parentage, even whilst having sexual intercourse. As well as options for a mother in the case of a pregnancy due to irresponsibility or god forbid that less than 1% occurrence of rape. There is no need for abortion, other than to deny responsibility, act carelessly, and ignore other realistic options. THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK...
@ryddelwearsahat True, abortion has been around just as long as...well murder I suppose. Yes you are correct, there are options as well if you dislike your neighbor, you can ignore him, sleep with his wife, kill him, all of which have been around since the dawn of man. The prolonged existence of a wrong doesn't make it a right, or correct way to handle situations.
-c recently that we have the MATURITY to realize nad acept, and ADMIT that unwanted pregnancies happen and that abortions do as well, and that legalizing them and making them safe and accessible is a hell of a lot better and MORE RESPONSIBLE than FORCING a 'murdererous slut' to care for a child, even for 9 months- tell me, would you trust your kid w/ a pedophile and force it on that pedo to 'teach him responsibility'? Is that responsible?
@ryddelwearsahat Don't quote me for something I did not say. I never said "murderous slut", abortion is neither murder, and not all that have sex are sluts. you cannot FORCE someone pregnant unless rape is involved (less than 1% of all abortions) Don't go Socratic on me if you won't even answer the questions I proposed. Your obvious deference to the questions posed is an admittance that you cannot logically make your claim whilst honestly answering them, hence I win because you fail to answer
@ryddelwearsahat Again this leads me to question you on your argument of making a practice legal in order to protect the safety of the criminals in question. If we apply this situation to any other crime it would be denounced as insane immediately. You do not support the legality of a crime, by claiming the safety of its process is in danger without the legalization. We must then scour through hundreds of thousands of pages of legislation and make everything dangerous...legal. Think...THINK!
@bmxrox168 How could i apply the situation of abortion to 'any other crime'? Pedophilia? Rape? REAL murder- a killing of vice/passion/greed/revenge/power/ect, and not one of human survival which is, legally/morally speaking, self-defense? Please enlighten me instead of telling me how mental I am- you're just a long-winded kirstieFAIL- all petty jokes/insults/accusations w/o a shred of self-support..
@ryddelwearsahat said "How could i apply the situation of abortion to 'any other crime'? Pedophilia? Rape? REAL murder- a killing of vice/passion/greed/revenge/power/ect" Easily, you would legalize these actions, there is a severe detriment to anyone fleeing the police after performing these acts, by your logic, in order to protect them, not being pursued by law enforcement would render them far more safe for the offenders themselves. DUCY? This argument can be applied anywhere.
@bmxrox168 How can you legalize crime? =) No, I would NOT legalize those things- neither would any sane person. You actively choose to rape, kill for money, ect... Your victim is not physically attached to you, inside of you- you can remove yourself from the temptation/pressure/ect.. A pregnancy lasts 9 months and cannot be stopped, and as I explained before, consent to sex is NOT consent to parenthood- the very existence of abortion, birth control, even adoption PROVE this. You are strange. -c
@ryddelwearsahat If you actually read my comments I've never taken issue with abortion as self-defense action. I have stated repeatedly, here and elsewhere, that in all cases of abortion, there remains one situation in which I personally feel it should be legally allowed, and that is in self-defense with reference to a real imminent threat to the life of the mother. Most Americans, and most pro-lifers will agree with me, that abortion in the art of self-defense..is justified.
-c Tell me, then, in the situation I was in, was I in danger, or not? Careful now- don't wanna play god and tell me child services WAS going to help me, and that I WASN'T in danger of being abused even worse, ect.. or that homeless and pregnant at 14 is a GOOD thing.. unless YOU want to be met w/ FACTS to prove THAT ASSumption wrong as well.. How are you proving me to be mislead/incorrect when all you are doing is telling me I'm mental or whatever? Where have I lied? Please tell me.
@ryddelwearsahat You were the only one to claim you were being mental..when you declared suicide as a mental illness..again more conflict, you are starting to worry me. My thoughts about cognitive dissonance doesn't only include you, most people use it throughout their lives in order to placate difficult conflicts or emotionally troubling scenarios. It is perfectly normal, I'm just letting you know why, and how you are lying to yourself.
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"180" movie....on youtube. very informative on pro choice and pro life, only 33 minutes long. check it out
10cannons 2 months ago
Have you seen the videos of these babies being aborted? They scream and try to push away from the suction tip. they die a horrible and painful death and it is proven. u support murder.
crazyability 5 months ago
@crazyability You DO realize the 'silent scream' is either a late-term abortion or a hoax, right?
ryddelwearsahat 5 months ago 4
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@crazyability says: They scream and try to push away from the suction tip
~~~~~~~~~~~ Explain how they get the air in the lungs to scream...prove they arent laughing, or yawning, and a fetus would move from its mothers loving hand if she could get it in there, now, do you have a point??
Sueezee1 4 months ago
@crazyability says: They scream
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LOl, you idiot, how do you know they arent stretching their jaw, or laughing, or yawning? AND< how does a fetus scream? Screaming is the action of inhaling air and letting it out with sound.
Sueezee1 3 months ago
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@crazyability says: push away from the suction tip
~~~~~~~~~~ they wold also move away from its mothers loving hand if she could get it in there. Explain that, if you dare.
Sueezee1 3 months ago
@crazyability says: . u support murder.
~~~~~~~~~~ Youre a LIATR..it isnt murder. Why do you find the need to tell lies? is it because you have no truths?
Sueezee1 3 months ago
did anyone actually watch this video? I made it through a little but it is terrible. Hard to read and incoherent. I know a homeless guy who does this kind of work on pizza boxes.
prolifebuttonsDOTcom 8 months ago
@prolifebuttonsDOTcom Lulz. =) Must suck when the only thing you have to give back is mockery..
ryddelwearsahat 8 months ago
@ryddelwearsahat yeah this video just is not that good. The font could be bigger and maybe less of it. It almost maybe should be typed and put on a webpage rather than a youtube video. You are right it kinda sucks.
prolifebuttonsDOTcom 8 months ago
@prolifebuttonsDOTcom Sorry, it was the first I ever did. You can still read it, and that is what is important.
ryddelwearsahat 8 months ago
@ihuggedyourmum What about raped victims?
NEMESIS1JUSTICE4ALL 1 year ago
@ihuggedyourmum Yes, but that small chance is still a chance.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ihuggedyourmum Meh, what if birth control fails?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Yea, a pill can't keep a !@#$ from falling off.
NEMESIS1JUSTICE4ALL 1 year ago
Alright I was just putting what I though. No one has the right to judge anyone, people are so good at judging eh? I still think its wrong, and it saddens me saying women having to pick that.. Alright let's move on with life now and no more fighting :)
xmelichanx 1 year ago
@xmelichanx Saying that "no one has the right to judge anyone" is actually judging other people as having no right to judge anyone else. It's like saying this: "My judgement against you is that nobody should judge anyone else" or "My judgement is that nobody has the right to judge anyone else". In other words, it's a self-refuting statement. It's like saying "my brother is an only child" or "I can't speak a word in english".
BestNewPCDeals 9 months ago
@BestNewPCDeals o, basically, all you have to offer is smart-ass word play and the picking-apart of simple terms and ideals and taking them as far as you possibly can, just to be a prick.
Nice. Now do something intelligent.
ryddelwearsahat 9 months ago
@BestNewPCDeals says: Saying that "no one has the right to judge anyone" is actually judging other people as having no right to judge anyone else.
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LOL, thats going in my book of ignorant comemnts!!
Sueezee1 4 months ago
Your foolish, and you want other people to suffer just cause you had a bad life and was put on this earth by mistake, and was gonna get tooken off the Earth on purpose, Im not trying to be mean and this may sound corny, but I love everyone, including you, why let people suffer like that? You know? Babys deserve to live wether made on accident or purpose!
jhojho67 1 year ago
@jhojho67 Who exactly do I want to SUFFER, pray tell, by not wanting other people to suffer? Fetuses are not babies and they don't 'deserve' anything, especially if it CAUSES suffering, poverty, or anything like it!
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago 4
That's a lot of excuse to kill a fetus/baby. They have a right to live, enjoy life...not just you.. U_u
xmelichanx 1 year ago
@xmelichanx Where does this right come from exactly? Also.. your rights stop where another person's begins- and a fetus is not a person, and the woman existed before the fetus did.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
This angelshoulders person is dumb. I know people that went through similar situations that you did. Take care.
NverEnoughDeathMetal 1 year ago
Those are some of the same reasons I am pro choice. Good video.
NverEnoughDeathMetal 1 year ago
How is it 'pro life' when you have to make the woman and child suffer? Pro choice.
perfectxx100ify 1 year ago
Okay, so where is the part you wanted me to skip to?
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum 3:50 is a nice starting point..
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Okay, as for this inconceivable situation of being forbidden to adopt that you say you and another girl were faced with...I would have carried the baby to term, gave it up for adoption and done whatever it took to get the hell out of there if there were going to be consequences. This theory people try to lay on me about how the baby's life is over before it's even begun just doesn't fly. You can't predict what people will be able to do with what they've been given in life.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum Even w/o a child in tow, when my dad went to prison, and left me and my mother alone, churhces, help hotlines, the governemnt would not help- we didn't qualify. I have NO trust or respect for CPS after the bullshit I had to deal w/- getting told i was NOT abused- would YOU trust the goddamn snakes w/ yourself LET ALONE your potential child after bruise son the face are 'not enough'? It happens more often than you think.. hence my viciousness toward people who claim to care, -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
-c b/c nine out of ten times, NO THEY DON'T. The whole damn reason I even became a nurse was b/c of how my own mother was treated by one of her nurses- I came home from school early and caught her shaking my mother by the arm and yelling at her to get out of bed, that her back didn't hurt 'that bad'.. Needless to say, the fuckwhore needed stitches and lost her damn license after I was through w/ her- I meet 'social workers' like her often.. If I had the ability to sit down and talk to and meet-c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
-c adoptive candidates, and not just toss my kid to social services and expect them to pick up the slack, I would have GLADLY done so. I regret not being able to- it was a waste and a piece of worldly knowledge I'd rather NOT have about just how hole-filled social services really is.. But as far as I'm usually considered to the masses, either I'm just a liar or I hate children and make excuses. Sorry my life is not good enough to fit into your walgreens-commercial standards.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat "walgreens-commercial standards" Oh, well I can see you aren't being judgmental of ME, are you...
You know what...if I were in that situation, and it was down to giving my child up for adoption, to state services (even as inept as they are), on the way to unknown adoptive parents, or maybe even an orphanage...that's better than killing my child. I would do it. Why? Because I don't believe in playing God and writing another person's life off as futile.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum Good for you- maybe you'll be able to keep that CHOICE unless red-china takes over, the the xtain/catholic taliban take over and take AWAY that CHOICE.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Red China? You mean the place where they kill baby girls, after being born, by throwing them down onto the rocks? I don't follow that comparison.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum You don't want that? Neither do I. Obviously we agree that forced aobrtion and forced infanticide is wrong. I also do not want the religious taliban to take over and handcuff pregnant women or detain like what was done to lesbians and pregnant aryan women in nazi germany who wanted to abort. =) You see, forced birth AND forced abortion are both wrong.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Forced death is wrong. There is another person there besides the mother; the child within has his/her own body, and to abort is to kill that other person. You say you are against infanticide, but I'm sure that if the law said that you could kill a baby up to 1 year old, you be all for that too, rather than side with the "religious Taliban"...You're a classic example of the kind of person who only does WHAT they are forced to, not motivated by a concept of right and wrong.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum No, not at all. Adoption is available after birth- there is no need. You are completely misunderstanding me, I think. I don't believe in needless action- sometimes there is absolutely no need for abortion, and sometimes there is. My spectrum of needed and not-needed is just broader than yours, due to personal experience in the matter, which you obviously lack.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I'll say you have a broader spectrum of when abortion is justified...too broad in my obvious opinion. No, I've never been pregnant, but you must know that you lack experience too...that is, the kind of experience that would even come close to making you qualified to judge someone else's life away. The only way you could get that experience would be to be dismembered/poisoned/crushed/cut up and finally left to die. THAT is the real abortion experience, for the victim.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum Oh, you mean I'd have to be rendered completely braindead/nonpresent first and THEN dismembered while i cannot feel it or think or remember..
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat No, not completely brain-dead/non-present. We've already established that this is not the case. Have you ever seen "the silent scream"? It shows a baby futilely struggling for survival in an abortion. You can see it at silentscream d org. I DARE you to watch that whole video, in light of all you support.
By the way... How far along were you at the time of your own "forced miscarriage"?
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum LOl The silent scream was PROVEN to be a hoax- even the makers admitted it was a lie, right? I did watch it and laughed my ass off- I saw it after I received my degree in neurology from college. Propaganda and fear-based control at it's FINEST. I was about 3 months.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat
PROVEN to be a hoax? Admitted by the makers as a lie?
SUBSTANTIATE THAT CLAIM. SHOW ME THE "PROOF" AND THE "ADMISSION".
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum Learn brain function. Or here- read about it(brain function/development) yourself and see where they lied.
msnbc DAWT msn DAWT com /id/ 10238840/
prochoicechristian1 DAWT blogspot DAWT com /2009/ 11/silen t-screa m-is-lie DAWT html
brainmind DAWT com/ FetalBrain Development DAWT html
Let me find the link where the makers admitted it was a lie, hold on- I have it saved somewhere.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat
The first link, to MSN, makes no mention of this film.
The second link was cut and pasted from Planned Parenthood's 1985 rebuttal, which is basically their lengthy opinion on the film. They cite the ACOG opinion (which is far from a consensus among modern medicine) and other than that they only cite the authors of that piece and the film. They term obvious reactions to the onslaught as "reflex", cite conclusions from "experts in ultrasonography and film technology"...
randommagnum 1 year ago
...but fail to mention who they are, and even stretch it as far as saying that the mouth couldn't be positively identified or that a scream can't occur without air in the lungs. It's what one would expect from the McDonald's of abortion clinics nationwide, protecting their business mainly with terminology, supported by arbitrary definitions and opinions. They're (and you) won't concede that there is pain and/or distress without a signed affidavit from the baby on it's experience.
randommagnum 1 year ago
The third link supports what I have been trying to tell you! It supports what I was saying about how the full cognitive development doesnt' happen until a long time after birth, and how your definition of personhood would allow slaughter of born infants.
NOW, you claimed that the film was a "PROVEN to be a hoax", and you have only cited speculative opinions. Where's the PROOF of a HOAX? And what about that ADMISSION that you conveniently can't find...
Easy to see where you lied.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum I'm looking for it, un- I found it a long time ago, and the goddamn link won't show. If I can't find it, I'll fully rescind my claim that I have proof it was admitted as a hoax.. in the meantime feel free to figure out exactly how to adopt a fetus from the womb, and not just a newborn, which I don't support, lol, b/c HOLY SHIT ADOPTION AND SAFE HAVEN EXISTS THE MOMENT BIRTH IS OVER! Like I said like eighty times- killing after birth is needless.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Like I said, there is nothing to prevent people from making the arrangements for the adoption before the baby is born. It's not legally binding until the baby is actually born and the biological mother gives up parental rights, but the process can still be started beforehand.
"killing after birth is needless"... Yeah, now let me ask you this: what if you had someone who, regardless of "need", still wanted to do that — to kill the born baby...should they be permitted to do it?
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum No, there is no need. Same like w/ pedophilia(bear w/ me here, PLEASE) yeah, they want to, all that shit, freedom, ect.. and yes, pedophilia, like all other sexual attractions, are actually natural- but a child cannot consent, and sex w/o consent is rape, and they can refrain) and whack off instead. I in no way condone pedophilia(ew and WHY?!) but it is as base an analogy as I can provide to the 'want to' argument here. Adoption, safe haven, police/fire stations, churches, 911 ect.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat "pedophilia, like all other sexual attractions, are actually natural"
I disagree. I mean seriously, if that's natural in your opinion, what isn't?
"Adoption, safe haven, police/fire stations, churches, 911 ect."
So as long as those are around, there's no need for abortion, right? None of those existed when you did yours? It's like you've got one set of criteria for yourself as to what constitutes NEED for abortion, and another set for everyone else.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum Just b/c it exists doesn't mean it is readily available.. what good is a a rattlesnake antivenom in a hospital 300 mi. away, if the man who is bitten is in the middle of nowhere w/o even a cell phone? I explained my circumstances.. plenty of other women face similar, or even wildly different and it's the same.. unless it is AVAILABLE, not just 'there lol' it's fucking pointless. Sorry, but pedophilia /is/ natural, grody as it is. It's fucked-up brain wiring.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat What the hell kind of argument is that? Your situation wasn't comparable to being in the middle of nowhere with no phone, 300 miles from any of those institutions. That's bullshit and you know it. Take any one of these situations where abortion is unnecessary according to your judgment (if there truly are any) and the women in those situations are going to pull the exact same line of bullshit.
It's not that other options aren't available...it's that they're ignored.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum So in other words.. when children are abused and are refused help/are afraid to ask help and GET refused(like me), they are lazy and have noone to blame but themselves, did I get that right? IF god is reall, chances are I'll be seeing you in hell, psychopath. THAT is a good one- right up there w/ that one guys' comment about 'niggers gone wild' or that one bitch's comment about my abusing my children when I don't even have any- yeah, w/e helps to 'defend babies' aka your politico.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat a). Just because someone is abused doesn't mean they have to go into shut-down mode; b). being afraid to ask for help doesn't excuse hurting someone else; c). even if you were refused, you didn't have to give up. Oh — tell me about how you were turned away.
Obviously the dad had to shoulder some blame too, but you are responsible for what you could've done and didn't. You refuse to see it, and even worse, you are PROMOTING abortion to try and repair your own ego. Not good.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum The lady from CPS looked right through the bruise son my face to tell me i was NOT being abused. No broken skin, broken bones, drugs/sex abuse= ALL FINE JACK. When dear ol' dad went to prison and we needed money/help- the church refused us for 'attacking a child of god(my father), called me a liar, excused the abuse(even the cheekbone fracture) as 'discipline'(spare the rod). Hotlines didn't believe what they heard. I was a liar.. isn't that GREAT? FUCK the 'help' & whoever is -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
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"The lady from CPS looked right through the bruise son my face to tell me i was NOT being abused."
What CPS division was this?
"the church refused us for 'attacking a child of god(my father), called me a liar, excused the abuse(even the cheekbone fracture) as 'discipline'(spare the rod)."
What church was this, and where?
"Hotlines didn't believe what they heard."
Which hotlines were these?
randommagnum 1 year ago
-c stupid enough to believe those fangfaced fuckoffs care. No, my ego is quite fine if I can stand up for myself and defend my existence and history and not cry to some tin god for 'forgiveness' or ask for asspats from judgemental control-freaks like you.. eh? What, gonna tell me that I regret it or something now? Please- feel free to take away my right to my own OPINION- you seem keen on bodily freedom, mental is fine too then? Lol bad mood for me tonight. I'm talking about the shit that -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
"FUCK the 'help' & whoever is stupid enough to believe those fangfaced fuckoffs care."
Well, if they are guilty of all you say, then you shouldn't be afraid to say who they are.
"No, my ego is quite fine"
Naturally you'd say that...
"and not cry to some tin god for 'forgiveness'"
Funny how you say that right after suggesting that *I* am going to hell... You can't play both sides of it, no matter how much you'd like to think you can.
randommagnum 1 year ago
"ask for asspats from judgemental control-freaks like you"
You're exponentially more judgmental and controlling than me, as you judge someone else's personhood, what you think their future would hold, and CONTROL whether or not they live...depending on what YOU want in life. Don't give me that bullshit.
"What, gonna tell me that I regret it or something now?"
I'm just pointing out what you do to try to safeguard against regret. Obviously there's a need for that in your case.
randommagnum 1 year ago
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"Please- feel free to take away my right to my own OPINION- you seem keen on bodily freedom, mental is fine too then?"
Trying to lump my defense of life in with taking away speech rights won't work.
"THINGS like you"
Personal attacks just show your level of sophistication.
randommagnum 1 year ago
-c other THINGS like you have said to me in the past- online and in person, to defend their supposedly pro'life' stance. I'm curious as to how far you'll end up going if you get mad at what I have to say.. One women was so offended with me that she accused me of lying about not having children and thoroughly believed I abused my children. Even a few of her friends from facebook come on here, pm'd me about it. From where I stand- you're all slavering predators who don't CARE about anything but -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
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"I'm curious as to how far you'll end up going if you get mad at what I have to say"
You have much to learn about what you are up against, if you're holding out hope for that...
"One women was so offended..."
Well I'm not her. But, I will ask you for facts, which is a fair expectation. Forget about who you've had a run-in with before; you are dealing with me now..
randommagnum 1 year ago
-c a single wlagreens-commerical ideal- and if living proof comes up and wags a figner and says 'nuh uh, I'm right here- face me- I'm living proof your single excuse does NOT fit ALL SIZES' you play with words, make up shit and more excuses, pretend something must have been left out/that I was lazy, ect.. w/e the hell you possibly can come up w/ that makes it easier to 'defend babies lol' and fight the whores. Pity. You're a coward, a brain-nazi, a history-nazi, and verbal sleight-of-hand.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
"From where I stand- you're all slavering predators who don't CARE about anything but a single wlagreens-commerical idea"
Course you believe that, because it makes you feel better about who you're up against next to yourself. Paint them with a "fakeness" paintbrush, so that you'll feel more real about your own self. Someone doesn't support what you support/do, so you attack their character to bolster your own shaky ideology. It's a typical reaction.
randommagnum 1 year ago
"and if living proof comes up and wags a figner and says 'nuh uh, I'm right here- face me- I'm living proof your single excuse does NOT fit ALL SIZES'"
All you've done is wag your finger. You have shown proof of nothing in your favor, but you have demonstrated how WEAK the foundation of your ideology is.
"you play with words, make up shit"
Nope, I haven't. That itself is an example of hypocrisy.
"and more excuses"
Excuses? For what? And where?
You can support your words for shit.
randommagnum 1 year ago
"pretend something must have been left out/that I was lazy, ect."
No, not pretending honey, DEMONSTRATING those things.
"w/e the hell you possibly can come up w/ that makes it easier to 'defend babies lol' and fight the whores."
I never called you a whore, and I Haven't needed to make the job of defending life any easier than it is.
"You're a coward"
No, and I will continue to right up in your grille, any day of the week.
"a brain-nazi, a history-nazi"
*facepalm*
Explain that.
randommagnum 1 year ago
"and verbal sleight-of-hand."
More than that, I've taken the high-ground, which makes it much easier to fight you. You have taken the low road, so the fight is an uphill battle for you. That's your own fault. You resort to ad hominem attacks, name calling, projecting your own specious tactics onto me (hoping the outside observer won't notice, since you know I will) and doing intellectual and ethical somersaults to prevent yourself from feeling the the bad guy. Please, continue if you like..
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum No, I'm done w/ this. If all you have elft is to pick-and-choose, mnipualte cotnext, and pretend certain things ahve, have NOT been said, all so you can attack me for something I never actually did or said to begin w/(in order to attack me for being prochoice) then you've lost this. You've 'taken' nothing. You've only proven my original assertions correct- in order to BE pro'life' you have to lie, you have to conveniently forget things constantly.. IF you're not trolling.. WTF?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I've been consistent throughout and if you don't think so, show me where. YOU are the one who has been twisting around things, employing sophistry and specious arguments, particularly when it comes to taking you personal experiences, not as the apply to actually giving birth but more to general abuse or unrelated circumstances (since you aborted). I've pointed all of this out; it's there for all to see.
You have proven the classic pro-abortion lack of integrity. Congrats.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum Fail. Yes, it is all there to see- too bad i doubt anyone would take the time/effort to read our entire convo here and on the other video from beginning to end. But I don't care- as I've said before- my rights remain intact and all you have, at the end of the day, are lies, word-play, and ASSumption that wouldn't hold up for half a horse's shit in court.. must be the reason why pro'life'rs hate LAW so much- they'd end up in contempt if they pulled this shit!
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Well let them read it. You're arguments basically amounted to a bunch of pro-abortion cliches but never pinpointed on anything...at least, nothing that wasn't successfully refuted. You spent your time throwing personal attacks, likening me to people I'm not, and throwing out concepts without successfully linking them to why your position works...and again, you throw up Roe v. Wade like crying "uncle!". If the personhood amendment gets through...will you cherish the LAW then?
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum Not at all- I'll fight against it wholeheartedly. Law is meaningless if it has no fact or reason to back it up!
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You mean like Roe v. Wade? You mean "law" like that?
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum Doesn't matter how it was legalized, just that it was, you know.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat LOL Wait, let's look at this again...
"Law is meaningless if it has no fact or reason to back it up!"
"Doesn't matter how it was legalized, just that it was, you know."
So even if it wasn't legalized with fact or reason, and is therefore meaningless, that doesn't matter as long as it was indeed legalized...
That sums up your whole position on abortion. You don't care about fact or reason, right or wrong, or anything... as long as you CAN do it, you don't care. Nice one.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum Okay, let me spell it out for you- roe vs. wade was pretty much silly and hollow.. but legalizing it was still for the best for women everywhere, and THEIR needs and reasons- the FACTS surrounding THEIR abortions(and not the ACTUAL convenience abortions or what have you) are what make it just and are what KEEP it legal nowadays. Does that make sense? 0o;
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. So Roe v. Wade was silly and hollow...aren't silly and hollow laws the kind which you said you would fight wholeheartedly against? Well not Roe v. Wade, because of what it gives you. That's hypocritical. And remember this: Roe v. Wade is what makes "convenience" abortions possible, by your definition of "convenience" (whatever that is) or mine. How do you feel about that?
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum Okay, let me try that again. The way roe vs wade was passed into law was silly. That should never have happened on the terms it did- it was an insult to every woman and teen who has ever needed an abortion and suffered from the lack of that right. But, it being legalized, despite the WAY it was legalized, has helped much more than it has hindered. ....is that clear enough for you?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Oh, it's clear as a bell; you are all about the ends justifying the means...and that is counter to what you said about what you'd fight "wholeheartedly". If it serves you, you don't care how lousy it is. It's like people who are able-bodied welfare recipients...they know the system doesn't work, but the important thing to them is that it's paying THEM. No integrity about it though.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum I'm not on welfare, lol. I shouldn't even really be insured b/c I pay all my bills in cash, straight-up(thought it is nice incase I ever suddenly OMG SPINE TRANSPLANT or w/e). Medical, vehicle, phone, net, cable, car insurance, anything I want- straight up. I earned my life and destroyed myself to not have to rely on someone ELSE'S good-ass graces to get what I want.. but I'm sure even though I'm NOT doing what you just insulted you'll still find a way to insult me anyway, rite? =)
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I never said you were on welfare, but you are like them, in a way. The point is that you don't care if something is right or just; all you care about is what you get out of it. Of course, I know how much you loved being able to give a big speech about how well you've earned everything you have...but that was a total dodge around what you knew was the point.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum Again w/ the telling me how I think/feel. No, I do care about what is right and wrong, and do not approve of waste, laziness, or disrespect. I already explained why I am pro-choice, where I stand on infanticide, my personal experiences/opinions/knowledge, and explained repeatedly that no I do NOT support 'the ends justify the means'- the same could be said to you in reverse' the life of the potential baby is worth any degradation, suffering, even death of women. Back atcha, broski.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You make what you think and feel obvious. You apparently define "right and wrong" according to what you want for yourself. You say that you don't support "the ends justify the means", but you've shown that in fact you do, with many other posts. Your attempt to turn that back on me fails, because the degradation and suffering is worse, and death certain for the baby when compared with the mother. Ends vs. ends or means vs. means, abortion fails.
randommagnum 1 year ago
@randommagnum Well you get PART of what I'm saying, atleast. You realize it goes both ways, that one way or another you do end up sacrificing one thing for another.. but in the end it's about values, and the woman is still infinitely worth more than a developing fetus, for reasons already mentioned. You support it, too- 'fuck the woman, save the baby'. Mine is fuck the fetus, save the woman. But in the end, I'm the one caring about an actual person, and not a mere potentiality. You are backward.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat
"the woman is still infinitely worth more than a developing fetus"
You talk as though the woman's life is guaranteed over if a baby is born, even if she adopts. Just one more reason you are full of shit.
"You support it, too- 'fuck the woman, save the baby'"
I'm not saying "fuck the woman"
"Mine is fuck the fetus"...From life itself..
"save the woman"...from inconvenience.
"I'm the one caring about..."
Yourself only.
randommagnum 1 year ago
"IF god is reall, chances are I'll be seeing you in hell"
I'm sure you'd love that idea. So you like the idea of a God who excuses killing for convenience, money, college, or to avoid the indignity of dropping a baby off at a save haven, etc., and damns those who challenge those ideas and, in the process, offends people like you who did it, don't regret it and encourage others to do it? Just what do you believe, anyway?
"niggers gone wild"? My "politico"? What are you talking about?
randommagnum 1 year ago
cont. There are organizations out there that can help in situations just like that, state-ran and otherwise, who can and will help and YES, they can be found. It's a matter of life and death for the child, and he/she deserves a chance. No matter how bad of a situation they are being born into, really there's no difference between killing the baby inside or outside the womb, but would you have done that?
randommagnum 1 year ago
You should have done to the abusers what you did to the baby. It should have been in reverse. Nothing about this is right.
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish Lol so you're saying i could ahve safely, easily defended myself and NOT ended up homeless or in child services? Or gotten killed by dear ol' dad who's now in prison for attempted REAL murder? Lol how did i abuse or make my potential child suffer, when it was not even physically capable of being self-aware, or feeling physical pain, let alone emotional turmoil as it was beaten and w/o protection by child service snakes or my own father? Are you god? Hi, god- i had no idea youre god!
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
People who have chosen to abort a child due to terrible circumstances in their life often assume that's what motivates abortion in other's lives. Here's the stats.
25.5% Want to postpone childbearing
21.3% Cannot afford a baby
14.1% Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
12.2% Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
10.8% Having a child will disrupt education or job
7.9% Want no (more) children
3.3% Risk to fetal health
2.8% Risk to maternal health
2.1% Other
onceuponapriori 1 year ago
@onceuponapriori The mass want to postpone childbearing.. why? Just 'cuz'..? Or b/c they are unprepared to even handle a pregnancy, nevermind parenthood? Get to know a woman who aobrted willingly and is NOT a PAS-suffering victim of abuse.. PAS is mainly CAUSED BY pro'life' propaganda and verbal abuse/manipulation- being called a 'whore' or a 'selfish murderer' ect.. being told how they 'really' feel, ect.. Get to understand women and their lives' needs in depth w/o an overall statistic label.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat
I know three women who've had abortions. One had several abortions and absolutely used it as a birth control mechanism. The other two both came from wealthy families (and I mean *very* wealthy.) One didn't want it to interfere with her career, the other was rather young (and perhaps the most understandable from the bunch.)
In any event, these are just anecdotes but the numbers/statistics don't lie. It's fallacious to assume that most women who have abortions are like you.
onceuponapriori 1 year ago
@onceuponapriori I would consider a career to be more important than a fetus, especially if you cannot provide for it. Wealthy or not, your job/ability to provide comes first- or you can screw up the child. I'm possibly pregnant right now, and if I was not in the position i am now- w/ a willing father, a good job/.education behind me, ect.. I'd probably have an abortion b/c I would not be able to safely undergo the trouble of an unwanted child, or even an unwanted pregnancy & all it entails. -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
-c I would not irresponsibly bring a child into the world I cannot provide for- I couldn't live w/ myself for doing such a thing. Peer pressures and the need for the means to provide for yourself/.others independently are horrible and vast and come in many different forms, whether you see them or not. If you want to have children later, not now, there is obviously a reason for that, whether or not it is obvious to you or told to you personally. Using it AS B/C however, is just retarded.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Just look at the statistics. The members in the first group -- that is, the majority -- are *not* motivated *primarily* from financial trouble, by a husband who doesn't want the child, too young, peer/family pressure, health, etc
They just don't want to have a child now. They're perfectly happy having one later. You are just wrong about why most women have abortions. For *most*, it seems it's just another form of birth control because they want to have kids later in life.
onceuponapriori 1 year ago
@onceuponapriori Well said.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
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We Christians must pray for these Pro-choice Evildoers for their murderous hearts of stone to be converted into Pro-Life hearts of love and respect for their fellow Citizens. We must pray that these wicked Pro-choice Advocates of Satan's culture of death renounce their sin against Almighty God our eternal Father, their denial of another Citizen's right to life, and Crime against Humanity that they be redeemed from the fires of everlasting HELL that awaits all unrepentant Pro-choice Murderers.
RalphMariedeLargo 1 year ago
It is quite a cute video though. I appreciate your tenacity, and while you make several good points surrounding your argument they are lacking, and ill founded, especially on the scientific front. The bulk of your video appeals to emotions (as much of the pro-choice movement always has) yet ignores the underlying issues that even abortion will continue to propagate. At least you are forthcoming with adoption (though your arguments against are petty) and I agree with contrception devices so :p
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@bmxrox168 Abortion rates have actually gone DOWN since it has been legalized, and they flex with an increase and decrease in population. No one can truly say at this point that they are going up or down. A year ago, they were said to be decreasing, this year, increasing, next year, who knows? We can't predict the pattern for abortion, it is just as inconclusive as predicting the end of the world.
dustygirl122 1 year ago
@dustygirl122 "After 1973, legalization of abortion led to an approximately tenfold increase in the total number of abortions, though there is some dispute over the prelegalization statistics."
Some dispute over pre-legalization statistics and precise numbers, but the numbers have indisputably increased, and significantly.
onceuponapriori 1 year ago
You also claim we are all born "blank-slates" there are many scientists that would argue the nature-nurture line with you and you would find yourself in way over your head. That debate is hardly settled, but most of the consensus lies in both genetic and environment remain responsible for a persons make-up/personality/individualism. The truth is, however, that during conception, a truly unique genetic human person is created, and will have no other chance at existence...ever, if not now..never
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@bmxrox168 Yeah, and with each period I flush a baby down the drain then. With your argument, any ejaculation and period occuring at the same time is murder, cause those two combined can create a fetus. And if you are going to say you are just referring to fertilized eggs, then all the eggs they fertlize in science labs is murder too. (This is how we learn about genes and where all your evidence comes from)
dustygirl122 1 year ago
@dustygirl122 First...I never called it murder, I don't understand the necessity of that term in either party's side. DO NOT put words in my mouth then argue against them. I'm unsure what you are attacking here. Of course I'm only talking about fertilized eggs, these are a HUGE part of my entire argument, the unique identity possessed, whose DNA belongs to neither parent, but forms its own unique genetic material when combined... I made this clear throughout..you have a lot of reading to do.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@dustygirl122 Having said that.. I don't want to drudge this argument back up from point a to point z after having spent so much time with Rydell and others on it. I've said my peace, if you guys come up with anything worthwhile I might post in response, but if you permeate your entire arguments on defeated logical sweeps then I'll simply ignore you, and refer the rest of the readers to my other hundreds of comments.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@dustygirl122 Haha, just to be clear, and perhaps point out your wonderous perceptive abilities, I'll note: a Period is the end of a menstrual cycle, in which an egg that FAILED to be fertilized is completely useless and unable to sustain life, so...unless you are digging during your 2-4 ovulating days and taking out a fresh viable egg and flushing it..your argument has absolutely no merit (not that It did otherwise, its just fun to point out your lack of thought on this issue)
bmxrox168 1 year ago
Another issue I hardly take seriously is the use of the term "forced" birth, which is redundant, there is only one situation when a birth is forced, and that is when the conception is forced, you cannot split up the process. I also take issue with you claiming that responsibility for a pregnancy cannot be had by women, when the state implies continuously that MEN are held responsible and unable to withdrawal from pregnancy, and are forced to pay child support for their conceptions.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
I understand how you must feel though, here there are several people telling you that your choices were directly harmful, and yet you know you can't be that "stupid" or that "mal-informed" I understand how cognitive dissonance works, and I realize that you are simply placating your own choices with selective information. Honestly, I don't blame you, you were raised by idiots, and thus acted idiotically, but to deny facts NOW, when the truth is found, well my dear that's a mental illness.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
You make some daunting displays of scientific acrobatics. Does the state not attempt to protect the interest of a 1 month old child to its best ability? Claiming that the formation of memory is the crux of the "soul" or cognition makes destroying a child before toddler years just fine, maybe you should review your opinion on this one, or is it true that you agree to infanticide? Otherwise you provide no citation/reference and most of your scientific claim is just misrepresented opinions.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
I need to ask you an important question.. Why haven't you killed yourself yet? If it is a rescuing effort as you claim it is when you abort your child out of the necessity to protect it from your horrible life, why haven't you saved yourself in such a manner? The reason I ask this question is because you will see that despite the conditions placed upon a person, the will to live is almost ALWAYS there, so you do it no favors by taking away the one thing it would've had...existence.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@bmxrox168 2 attempted suicides- both times I was caught and stopped. I still have serious depressive mood swings. I do consider it occasionally, but I'm afraid to die w/ the memories I have. Now or 100 years from now, it'll still be there. Sorry, but the 'truth' is- what happened in my life happened for the reasons mentioned- it's funny how often people try to excuse, change around, or deny why/how I did things b/c they don't like what they hear- truth hurts sometimes, sorry. I don't agree -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Well why on earth would they stop you dear? This is befuddling.. here you are rescuing your unborn child from all the pain and suffering of existance and no legal force attempts to hinder your efforts, in fact many are pursuing the same goal, whereas when you attempt to take yourself out of this world you are challenged, and stopped TWICE... seriously is there something wrong here..why would law enforcement be so inclined to stop you from taking your own life?
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I don't deny, or try to change what happened to you, you aren't the only person in the world that has suffered btw. I had my first child at 15, and yes it was a struggle, I got a job and dropped out of school to make more money to support my son (Alone because the mother left us) Like you, I don't regret a thing, and seeing him develop into his full potential (he's incredible but I'm not going to brag here) has been the highlight of my very life..the utmost pride and happiness
bmxrox168 1 year ago
-c to infanticide b/c there is no need- you can adopt a newborn(unless forced like my mother was, and originally she wanted to abort me and was forced not to as well, so..) unless you're mental infanticide is unnecessary and is not even a realistic part of the debate. I can give citations if you'd like.. I can PM them to you. Obviously you are the one who is mentally impaired if you cannot understand the difference between wanted pregnancy, and unwanted.. consent to sex is not consent to -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Infanticide is essential to the debate when you base your scientific assertions on how far back we can remember. I'm certan my first clear memory is near 1.5 years or possibly older, well beyond my first breath, and you claim that is the precipice of human cognition..the formation of clear recoverable memory (needless to say science disproves you here as well, but that's unnecessary I'm only punching holes in your argument to get you to think more rationally, more critically.)
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Again..we draw huge lines between men and women when a man consents to sex and is equally responsible for the child in the form of child support, the woman however is offered the chance to destroy the consequence at her leisure in the form of induced abortion. Why is there a conflict here? Obviously until that conflict is resolved we cannot assume all things are correct, either men are getting screwed here..or women have to face responsibility as well.and consent to sex = baby
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I've yet to see any of your citations by the way. PM them if you'd like, i'll be sure to post my refutations (if these sources actually exist...laughable) here on this forum of discussion. I must re-iterate, when you draw a line between a real human being and someone without the capability of memory, or even as you put it later, the ability to write poetry....you are supporting infanticide, and even more so.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
-c parenthood. You really must be a control freak if you have to go so far as to decide what other people think/feel when they have sex, if you have to say THAT. I don't in any way believe in forced child-support UNLESS it is a rape, sorry. It is sexist against men. I really have nothing else to say to your other points b/c they are ones I've heard and defeated too many times before to count and I'm tired of repeating myself to such obvious questions/dilemmas..
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Yes I'm a huge control freak, I also think we need to control those who would rape/murder/steal among various other things that promote harm to society or individuals. So what? My real hope is that people reading this will understand that despite the underlying reasoning for sex, the risk of pregnancy is apparent and if thought out critically, we might avoid the source of the problem..in other words more people will WRAP IT UP or learn to control themselves better.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat So you think holding men responsible for conceiving children is sexist..interesting to know how many other pro-choice supporters would agree with you on this. How do you feel about the following acts? 1. Prostitution 2. Illicit drug use/possession/selling 3. Gambling 4. Drunk Driving 5. Public nudity 6. Suicide or medically assisted suicide. 7. Not wearing a Seat belt Just wondering your opinion on these "victimless" crimes..these are all considered illegal in most states.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@bmxrox168 I was a prostitute and drug-dealer to supoort myself/my mother when my father went to jail. narcotics and whoring are NOT victimless- the majority of people who buy women/use drugs are emotionally troubled, are violent, carry STDs, put others around them at serious risk... same w/ drunk driving- it's not just you, it's others on the road. Public nudity I could actually care less about- everyone has a fucking body and they all look the same- grow up. Suicide is a form of mental -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Hah..great win here..no answer just some random bullcrap, you can't answer your honest opinion without creating conflict so your wedge between logic and your reality grows wider..awesome I love winning. It is obvious you don't possess the intellectual capital to survive debate with me, your comments are at best rampant attempts at saving face by blithering the argument into nuanced deference and irreverence for logic I'll gladly accept my win and be done with you.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat When you discuss the non-victimless crimes you realize that the state has a compelling interest to control these activities because the involve another person in most cases, (some are completely victimless), the state as well has a compelling interest to protect the human being developing, that is the basis of most of my argument, so please focus on that if you wish to stand any chance in this debate, rather than circling your illogical programming.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
-c illness. Unless the person who commits suicide is terminally ill/suffering,m like a cancer patient, ect, there is no need- once again this is from personal experience- I attempted suicide twice. A living, breathing person being killed/killing thierself is completely different from aborting an unwanted fetus that exists as nothing more than developing meat, and the CONCEPT of what is to come AFTER birth., nevermind the whole 'survival' thing where woman>fetus. I don't see the point of this -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat again avoiding the prime philosophical question and nuance the argument into a realm where your mind can deduce no conflict with your personal reasoning up to this point. Chalk up another win for me.Occam's Razor for the second argument. A person by definition is an individual human being, a fetus is an individual human being. End. it is not developing meat...wow sickening really. Either way I'm done with you..too ez.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Here, since it is difficult for you to see, I will draw the line of your conflict. You state that scientifically memory is required for something to be considered a living human being, yet you state here that "AFTER birth." is the time in which you draw your arbitrary line of distinction. RESOLVE YOUR OWN CONFLICTING STATEMENTS. Is it when memory develops? or is it when the child is birthed? Or do you really have no scientific basis whatsoever, and you are simply full of it.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
-c really, b/c your attempts at throwing of the logic/justification of abortion by offering completely UNconnected crimes/philosophies is just.. silly. If you have to try this hard(grasp at straws) then you really don't know that much about abortion, human nature/survival, politics, psychology, or human history.. Or, you're just extremely shallow. I just said I disagree w/ forced child-support, obviously that means I think it is as equally wrong as forced birth. Both should be purely -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Ignore the questions at hand because they will draw conflict between your rationale. This is obvious deference/repression. You are categorically a victim of cognitive dissonance, look it up, it is a psychological term in fact. This was in fact a question to the legitimacy of the claim that a person has the right to do whatever they want with their own body, abortion isn't a victimless crime, and far less so than the examples I posted.. Great fail for you epic win for me. GG
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@bmxrox168 Actually, i ignored the questions that to me, were just rediculous. What does 'personality' mean? Or 'personhood'? How do I fail at explaining that the crimes you listed are NOT 'victimless' and put other people at risk? Abortion destroys an empty developing human shell- sorry, but if you're going to call me an epic fail, you might go and re-read my answers to you. Again, you are doing nothing but spouting petty insults at my logic/responses and then plowing on ahead even though -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Is it possible you are simply far too dense for me to even waste my time speaking with? I shouldn't have to overly simplify my arguments in order for a layperson to comprehend where they are failing to make any sensible claims, especially with regards to common scientific research. A person is any individual human being, google it. What you speak of is pure functionalism. The ability to perform a function, or action does not denote personhood, simply being human grants that.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
-c what i just said pretty much makes what you said before, and just said now meaningless. An aborted fetus is not a thinking, feeling, conscious person- it cannot suffer, cry, write poetry, enjoy music, love/be loved as anything more than a concept of what is to come. It cannot be adopted until birth((9 months lol) have faith/deny god, ANYTHING. If you kill a human in that early a stage of life to save/help a human that has actual personhood that is is not wrong- it is moral and not even -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat There are people that cannot perform all of the functions that every other human being can, and some that can far outperform others in specific areas, does this fact make any one person less of a human being. What of people under a certain age, where arguments can be made to define their lack of cognition, memory, or any of the things you listed. Your argument in fact supports unilateral infanticide, and in many cases euthanasia...READ WHAT YOU WRITE Dear.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Aside from the fact that you are categorically wrong in the scientific sense about your established belief of the humanity of an early human. I have never, nor will I ever, agree to disallow a woman to save her life through the means of abortion, this is self defense.I would make the same decision for a woman protecting herself from her 18 year old son who attempted to stab her,she can kill him in self defense. You fail to realize that this only considers less than 1% abortions
bmxrox168 1 year ago
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@ryddelwearsahat "An aborted fetus is not a thinking, feeling, conscious person- it cannot suffer, cry, write poetry, enjoy music, love/be loved as anything more than a concept of what is to come." I really love this. So we should be able to legally kill deaf persons. (enjoy music), the illiterate (write poetry), those without tear ducts(cry), or emotional incapacity(suffer/cry), or anyone that has a generally great life (suffer) without the law getting involved..WOW you convinced me../sarc
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Hopefully by now it is sinking in that functionalism, as an argument, is a fail when it comes to the definition of what is and what is not considered a unique human being (the pure definition of person) if that were the case, persons such as Stephan Hawking, would be in utterly terrible shape, as their fate could be decided..well in your opinion, by his mother.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat As far as consciousness goes, could you please...my dear...supply me with a citation that indicates the precise moment when consciousness is apparent in a person (you'll be surprised as to what you find) this must be a scientifically observable, or at least have medical consensus as a source. When you've wasted hours figuring out it doesn't exist come back here and tell me what am I to do with my patient on anesthesia? Can I kill him..I don't want to perform this surgery.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
-c questionable. You have some shoddy values if you reduce us to our DNA- man is more than image. How is what I said illogical? B/c I disagreed w/ you (and proved you wrong effortlessly)by telling you that when I have sex I'm not doing it to make a child but to feel good, had an abortion at 14, and that my actions are treated as just that? You're the one w/ reality problems if you have to go brain-nazi and try to think/feel/judge/live for other people as deeply as their sexual activity.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat The DNA argument is the scientific proponent disputing your claims that the tissue is nothing more than a comparable entity to other body parts of the same human being. It also provides rigorous support for the argument of individuality the distinct human factor that separates any one person from another. As far as sex=pregnancy goes. Despite your motives for having unprotected vaginal intercourse the risk of pregnancy still exists, you do not mute risk by changing your view.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You conflict yourself in various statements, ignore the reality of state compelling interest, ignore the scientific proof of human life before birth..how is any of it LOGICAL? I'm not a "brain-nazi" whatever you consider that to be. I consider myself a sincerely concerned person, when it comes to the rights of all people, including the incredibly young. I think sexual activity is fine, as is education on the risks of sexual acts, and accepting responsibility for actions.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
-c consentual- parenthood is not about force, it is about willingness and sacrifice- and force takes away that and replaces it w/ guilt, fear, anger, even violence. Again, you are lying when you say consent to sex=baby- b/c I obviously disagree w/ that- and even aborted to take it even further, at 14. Consent to sex=the possibility of getting pregnant, and then there are options- keep it, adopt it, or abort it if there are no other options. It's been that way since the dawn of man, it is only -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I don't lie. I speak only the beautiful truth as best I know it. Vaginal intercourse (i.e. sex) has a risk of pregnancy, therefore making a decision to have vaginal intercourse is making a decision to be pregnant. It is obvious. I'm not saying options don't exist, (for women, men aren't granted the same option) I'm trying to get you to realize conflict and resolve it with logic. You are stubborn, unwilling, and take an illogical approach to justify your basis.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I'm trying to make you realize that the two are combined, and the problem can be avoided ultimately with a full understanding and rational decision making based on this fact. It really is an unconnected issue, except when you call the gestation of a pregnancy a forced event, which is most certainly is not, that is you adopting terms to a consensual action, and labeling it as a forced action, you are changing the definitions here not me.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Ultimately I fear you'll have the ability to reserve your tenacious will to "win" an argument, by being anything other than perplexedly stubborn in your views. You have already shown an inability to evolve with debate and challenge yourself with new ideas, you simply deny that any such conflict exists in a state of repetitive repression, the psychological term discerns you as a cognitively dissonant person. I understand why you try so hard to guard yourself.It's not your fault
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@bmxrox168 I'm sorry, but.. 0o; what you are saying is pretty much just bullshit, though- you are effectively telling me what i do/do not think/feel/want, and when I disagree w/ that, you're telling me to conform to YOUR opinions.. not gonna happen, control-freak. What do i repress- nonexistant guilt you seem to WANT me to experience? 'knowledge' of a higher reasoning that I'm too.. prideful..?.. to accept? I'd rather fuck a goat than listen to this crap- no WONDER abortion is legal.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat I don't want you to experience anything other than the wisdom and depth of what I say here. You are free to express yourself in any such way, but be warned, when speaking from misconception, falsehood, deception, or repressed selectivity of ideation, you will be met often with someone like me to show the holes in your many logical errors. Don't feel so worried, this is really less about you (as I doubt you'll ever realize your err) and more about publicizing your lies.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Here's the beauty of it. Nobody is actually forced into parenthood. There are incredible options nowadays to avoid parentage, even whilst having sexual intercourse. As well as options for a mother in the case of a pregnancy due to irresponsibility or god forbid that less than 1% occurrence of rape. There is no need for abortion, other than to deny responsibility, act carelessly, and ignore other realistic options. THINK THINK THINK THINK THINK...
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat True, abortion has been around just as long as...well murder I suppose. Yes you are correct, there are options as well if you dislike your neighbor, you can ignore him, sleep with his wife, kill him, all of which have been around since the dawn of man. The prolonged existence of a wrong doesn't make it a right, or correct way to handle situations.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
-c recently that we have the MATURITY to realize nad acept, and ADMIT that unwanted pregnancies happen and that abortions do as well, and that legalizing them and making them safe and accessible is a hell of a lot better and MORE RESPONSIBLE than FORCING a 'murdererous slut' to care for a child, even for 9 months- tell me, would you trust your kid w/ a pedophile and force it on that pedo to 'teach him responsibility'? Is that responsible?
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Don't quote me for something I did not say. I never said "murderous slut", abortion is neither murder, and not all that have sex are sluts. you cannot FORCE someone pregnant unless rape is involved (less than 1% of all abortions) Don't go Socratic on me if you won't even answer the questions I proposed. Your obvious deference to the questions posed is an admittance that you cannot logically make your claim whilst honestly answering them, hence I win because you fail to answer
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat Again this leads me to question you on your argument of making a practice legal in order to protect the safety of the criminals in question. If we apply this situation to any other crime it would be denounced as insane immediately. You do not support the legality of a crime, by claiming the safety of its process is in danger without the legalization. We must then scour through hundreds of thousands of pages of legislation and make everything dangerous...legal. Think...THINK!
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@bmxrox168 How could i apply the situation of abortion to 'any other crime'? Pedophilia? Rape? REAL murder- a killing of vice/passion/greed/revenge/power/ect, and not one of human survival which is, legally/morally speaking, self-defense? Please enlighten me instead of telling me how mental I am- you're just a long-winded kirstieFAIL- all petty jokes/insults/accusations w/o a shred of self-support..
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat said "How could i apply the situation of abortion to 'any other crime'? Pedophilia? Rape? REAL murder- a killing of vice/passion/greed/revenge/power/ect" Easily, you would legalize these actions, there is a severe detriment to anyone fleeing the police after performing these acts, by your logic, in order to protect them, not being pursued by law enforcement would render them far more safe for the offenders themselves. DUCY? This argument can be applied anywhere.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
@bmxrox168 How can you legalize crime? =) No, I would NOT legalize those things- neither would any sane person. You actively choose to rape, kill for money, ect... Your victim is not physically attached to you, inside of you- you can remove yourself from the temptation/pressure/ect.. A pregnancy lasts 9 months and cannot be stopped, and as I explained before, consent to sex is NOT consent to parenthood- the very existence of abortion, birth control, even adoption PROVE this. You are strange. -c
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat If you actually read my comments I've never taken issue with abortion as self-defense action. I have stated repeatedly, here and elsewhere, that in all cases of abortion, there remains one situation in which I personally feel it should be legally allowed, and that is in self-defense with reference to a real imminent threat to the life of the mother. Most Americans, and most pro-lifers will agree with me, that abortion in the art of self-defense..is justified.
bmxrox168 1 year ago
-c Tell me, then, in the situation I was in, was I in danger, or not? Careful now- don't wanna play god and tell me child services WAS going to help me, and that I WASN'T in danger of being abused even worse, ect.. or that homeless and pregnant at 14 is a GOOD thing.. unless YOU want to be met w/ FACTS to prove THAT ASSumption wrong as well.. How are you proving me to be mislead/incorrect when all you are doing is telling me I'm mental or whatever? Where have I lied? Please tell me.
ryddelwearsahat 1 year ago
@ryddelwearsahat You were the only one to claim you were being mental..when you declared suicide as a mental illness..again more conflict, you are starting to worry me. My thoughts about cognitive dissonance doesn't only include you, most people use it throughout their lives in order to placate difficult conflicts or emotionally troubling scenarios. It is perfectly normal, I'm just letting you know why, and how you are lying to yourself.
bmxrox168 1 year ago