i guarantee you that once she fucked up and made that statement and realized that she had to find some reason to explain why she said it, i guarantee her publicist or whomever is in charge of making her look less stupid, told her to find someone who was somehow involved in both the revolutionary war AND the civil war simultaneously, and when she couldn't, she just said fuck it and said, hey will john quincy adams was ALIVE during the revolutionary war, so, does that make me look less stupid?
I still love the Iwo Jima comments in which she called the battle Iwo Jama. She said that battle was against all odds. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Obama has made it with all kinds of retarded statements. Most of these fucks do. Because we keep voting them in. If we fail to set standards and enforce them, we will continue to get government "officials" that treat us the way spoiled defiant children treat their parents. We left them alone for many years because we trusted them But, they became corrupted at a time before we had access to information with the internet. With the light on these incompetent corrupt cockroaches should scatter soon.
Thanks to liberal policies America can no longer afford to pay for medicare, social security, unemployment and many other services. We also need to lower the minimum wage to $2/hr in order to compete with China and bring jobs back home. Fiscally responsible conservatives like Paul Ryan and Michele Bachmann know this and are currently
working to end these wasteful handout programs and bring the minimum wage down so that America can be great again. God bless the GOP!
What is Michele Bachmann’s plan? Say stupid stuff like Sara Palin then go on to make a ton of money giving speeches to idiot Republican voters? If that is the case I don’t blame her, it sure as hell worked for Sara Palin.
Same looks, same brain or no brain, same idiot voters.
@Commonsenseification are YOU the dips**t that spam-blocked TheKmbt's post? what "stupid stuff" do you refer to? look up "gaffe", you know, like obama confusing the constitution w/ the dec of indep. is That a "big f***ing deal" too?
have you noticed the incredibly stupid stuff BHO has said lately? all about re-election and Nothing to do with solving our economic problems?
JQA was not a founding father but he was the last of their kind to ever be commander-in-chief. It's all the more stark a contrast considering that Jackson became president after him. In any case, the woman probably just watched a documentary or two on early America and was content with soundbites from those, thus having no real understanding of history
@grabngonuts yeah, and it's Great how he held on to the GWB playbook and finally got Bin Ladin. and we are Still in iraq, maybe he figured out GWB was correct there also
If the question is whether those who wrote our Constitution embraced slavery, you have only to look at the 3/5th Person Compromise to see they did not. Our Founding Fathers ensured slaves counted as 3/5ths a person to limit the census count in slave states and, thereby, the number of Reps who favored slavery. It was profoundly empowering for blacks. The result was the North census endowed them with more Reps and eventually our nation's culture changed to abhor slavery.
Yup, Stephy must be a great guy. I wonder which child he and the rest of the Douche bag "media" are going to go after first? Which Foster child? hmmmmnn, they would have to weed them out, "OK George, you can't go after the one with downs syndrome, it's been done before, the black kid is out and so is the Spanish one, she does have a white boy and and white girl you can go after, I'd rather you go after the boy, we have it on good word he once wacked off 2 a picture of Hillary Clinton" is that OK
You are exactly the type of person the Leftist, Democrat Mob loves and gets support from. Everyone on the Right, in the end, has to be a perfect human being to run against one of the Mob. Why? Because in the end they call them "hypocrites". Because the people on the Left like you have zero Standards, zero Morals and hate anyone who does. You have just proved what the book DEMONIC is all about. BTW, U don't like Brietbart cause he's right and now Weiners OUT. :)
aw geez, another media matters moveon.org dick head. Let's see, you bear the usual markings. A phony youboob account, no friends, no subs, no original videos and of course, you are a pussy, with NO PICTURE, also your worst sin is that you have no talent.
Who hipped you to my posts, someone hanging over your cubicle? :) Youdouche
Another thing that Steph is overlooking is that many historians DO consider a Founding Father not just a Signer of the Declaration of Independence or a Framer of the Constitution. It included people who were involved in some capacity is developing the young nation (e.g. soldier, judge, etc). John Quincy Adams did accompany his father on diplomatic trips when JQA was just a boy. So Steph, she isn't the one, sir, who needs to study her American history. She got it right.
@Retirement02042012 He was 8 years old at the time. He may have accompanied his father on trips but that does not make him one of the Founding Fathers. She got it wrong.
She explains exactly what she meant in the sentence she spoke. If in fact you do not want to understand it, you suffer from what is called Willful Blindness, as the whole of the DEMONIC Left does.
@btwall60 Sorry, but she keeps trying to repeat that John Quincy Adams was a Founding Father when it was clearly impossible for him to be considered so. He was 8 years old at the time. He would later serve as a secretary for his father but not at the point of the Constitution being written and ratified. If you believe Bachmann was right, in this or in any of her many other moronic gaffes, then it is you who suffers from blindness...and ignorance.
Hi, Stephanopoulos did, in fact, say what I said he did. He is going after her children only two weeks after Michelle Obama said "oh, the press has left us alone, and they have left the kids alone" whoopie. George is the lowest of the low, and you back him up. well done.
Steph ...you illiterate idiot ! Jefferson and Madison and Mason (1785 bill presented at the Virginia assembly) and Franklin and others did work to end slavery ! Jefferson specifically put language in the the first draft of the Constitution to end slavery but it was rejected by South Carolina and Georgia. Thus, if they had not signed on, slavery might have lasted longer, and it's likely there would not have ever been a United States.
Patrick Henry, the great Virginian patriot, refused to attend the Convention because he "smelt a rat," was outspoken on the issue, despite his citizenship in a slave state. In 1773, he wrote, "I believe a time will come when an opportunity will be offered to abolish this lamentable evil. Everything we do is to improve it, if it happens in our day; if not, let us transmit to our descendants, together with our slaves, a pity for their unhappy lot and an abhorrence of slavery."
Oliver Ellsworth, one of the signers of the Constitution wrote, a few months after the Convention adjourned, "All good men wish the entire abolition of slavery, as soon as it can take place with safety to the public, and for the lasting good of the present wretched race of slaves."
John Jay, great supporter of the Constitution after its creation and an author of The Federalist wrote in 1786, "It is much to be wished that slavery may be abolished. The honour of the States, as well as justice and humanity, in my opinion, loudly call upon them to emancipate these unhappy people. To contend for our own liberty, and to deny that blessing to others, involves an inconsistency not to be excused."
Oliver Ellsworth, one of the signers of the Constitution wrote, a few months after
This is not a gaffe. Everyone gaffes sometimes, this is much more than that. She maintains steadfastly that JQA as a founder even while being told that he was not. She talks around insisting that the founders fought to end slavery without even acknowledging she either made a mistake or lied blatantly about it. She or her staffers failed to do their due diligence and had her talking about how inspiring John Wayne Gacey was rather than John Wayne. She's either nuts, lazy or stupid.
@cloudshe Republicans think the world is perfect, remember? Everyone can fend for themself, there needs to be no government, and poverty is an illusion.
@cloudshe Yeah, the MSM is making her say those things. Why didn't I figure that out for myself? Oh, probably because that's not what's happening. And a teleprompter won't stop you from reinventing history if that's what on the screen. And frankly, I have no idea how it got this way, but politics in America are so skewed to the right that and you think of as "liberal" is actually middle of the road everywhere else, don't blame the MSM for Republican stupidity.
@dashab Stupid? is wasn't Republicans that voted in the current president, based on No vision, No promises (oh he DID promise immediate money from the IRS if he was voted in), No experience, No BC (apparently, a minor detail).
Stupid? how did "i'm not Bush" resonate as the primary (only?) campaign promise?
Stupid? "this time you'll have to vote for someone else to prove you're not an Idiot"
@dashab What isn't a gaffe is the economic turmoil we are in. Please outline how President Obama's policies have created an environment that is conducive to job growth and economic prosperity. In your response, please try not to bring up Bush or the Republicans. Reagan was handed a far worse economy than what Obama got and turned it around in 18 months. Bachman subscribes to the same free market capitalism model that Reagan did. Capitalism works. What Obama is doing has failed.
Gee, it's good to see one Obama supporter still left on youtube. They were out in force when he failed up for the last time in his life. Obama is the biggest example of the Peter Principle in history. He
@SmallpoxRot HAHA! You ran away from our "debate" in another video because you couldn't answer a simple question! Now you do what liberals do best, insult people! If you read my comment I touched on Bachman's ideology. She subscribes to smaller govt. and fiscal conservatism. That model worked in the early 80's. It will work today. What Obama subscribes to is more spending and more govt. in our lives. This has never worked! That is why YOU can't answer the question I asked in regards to Obama!
@imax1971 Err...I didn't run away. I'll eagerly respond in a moment. Calm down...
I insult people only when it's deserved. And you've proven to be a one-sided hack. Who cares about Obama? This video is about Bachmann.
You conservatives need to get a grip, it's too easy to fool you. When someone claims to support small government and fiscal conservatism, you become aroused and run to the voting booth.
Smart conservatives won't vote for Bachmann. You're not one of them.
@SmallpoxRot "Who cares about Obama".... You ACTUALLY wrote that!?!???!! He is the President of the United States you stupid son of a bitch!! The whole Bachman debate is taking place because she is running for that position!!!! Making comments about his dismal record are VERY relevant...Are you out of your mind??? Your government organizer is a one term President. Conservatism is proven to work. Unsustainable, bloated govt. throwing money at a problem HAS NEVER WORKED here and abroad...
@imax1971 You should calm down. You're 40 and you act like a middle school brat...how nice. Yes, I did say who cares about Obama, because this video is about Michelle Bachmann. Allow me to remind you of what you wrote, since you're about as bright as a squirrel...
"I did not blame Obama for anything. I simply asked what he doing to help promote job growth and to stimulate the economy! Who cares who is to blame." Yup, I thought it was pretty fuckin' stupid too. Slit your throat, douche.
@SmallpoxRot You make absolutely no sense. I stand by my quote! I don't care who is to blame for the economy. We, as Americans need it fixed. I asked you a half a dozen times as to what our CURRENT president is doing to fix the problem. Your answer was the "stimulus". That didn't work. What is his plan B? You can hurl silly little insults all you want. How about hurling something substantive??? Is it out of line to talk about our president on a vid of Bachman who is running for the position?
@imax1971 If you can't understand, that's your problem. I dangled your hypocrisy in front of your face. You said "who cares who is to blame," then when I said Obama has no relation to this video you had a shit fit. Yes, our economy has to be fixed. That has absolutely nothing to do with Michelle Bachmann and what she said about the founding fathers.
I gave you a perfectly reasonable answer. As a conservative, you should be happy with the tax rates and Wall Street deregulation.
@imax1971 Google it. Your unwillingness to pay any attention to the fact that Republicans have blocked every attempt to fix this means I can't do what you ask. And the numbers show job growth in spite of that fact. If capitalism works, why are we in this boat? Why isn't the market fixing itself? Money doesn't come from nowhere and we have created a society that will not function without money. And Regan fixed nothing. He put a Bandaid on cancer and pretended it wasn't there.
@dashab Ridiculous. you call Obama's joke budget an attempt to fix the economy? or his blowing off the debt ceiling? or his "pass it NOW" jobs bill written on the back of a cocktail napkin while vacationing? or his leadership in bargaining a supercommittee compromise?
maybe Obama should start acting like President instead of Emperor if he wants to help the economy
@cloudshe I for one, welcome His Imperial Majesty Emperor Obama I, Long May he reign! That would go a long way to making sure the neocons never come anywhere near the levers of power and authority, and that's hardly bad thing when you look at it like that.
@ReadmanJ fortunately it's not a black or white thing. maybe if the democraps gave us a better choice we could make some progress, but the current commie has Not done us well, and it was SO predictable, thank you media types, you did such a Wonderful job of pointing this out.
bachmann is not going to make it, she, like BHO, doesn't have the resume. either romney or newt would be a blessing for the economy, obama would just drive us deeper in the hole, no ideas, no substance, no clue
Lock and Load for 2012.The time to prepare is NOW!! Obama is presiding over the decline of AMERICA.He is not a leader and will never be.Don`t be fooled by Mr. Smoke and Mirrors..The Media protected him when he was a candidate.They continue to protect him..The Pit bull Obama media will go after every Conservative candidate with a vengence!!They all know Saul`s Alinsky`s book RULES FOR RADICALS to a tee...TARGET..DEMONIZE..DESTROY..
Has nobody realized that she said JOHN QUINCY ADAMS was a founding father? His father was but no way in hell was Quincy. He wasn't active until the 1800s.
don't remember geo Stephanopoulos grilling Obama about the 57 states in the union or why he wouldn't release his BC or for that matter Anything relating to knowlege of our nation's history. amazing how he's so sensitive to Other (conservative) folks making mistakes. he should have been Fired after his drunk driving episode
@SmallpoxRot okay, how about obama's lack of flag etiquette, his mistaking a breathalizer for an inhaler, sorry you missed the point, people make mistakes. then dopes like stephanopoulos grill them on it for entertainment value. only NO ONE grilled Obama during his campaign, he was just Too wonderful to be true.
BTW i promise not to compete with you for GS's affections so you can stop the jealousy
@cloudshe That's such a lie. He just had to produce his birth certificate again to please crazies who still think he was born in Kenya. Were you just born?
@dashab why is that "such a lie"? circumstantially obama's crackerjack box version of his BC looked to many americans to be false, to deny That would be Your lie, grasshopper
@cloudshe There's a HUGE difference between Obama called an inhaler a breathalizer, and Bachmann going on a tirade about John Quincy Adams being a founding father. You're right, people do make mistakes. Obama's the president, and yes, he will misspeak from time to time.
Bachmann is running a campaign, and she should be more prepared for questioning. I've known the difference between John Adams and JQA since I was just a little kid.
I just asked why you have a problem, no need to get butthurt.
@SmallpoxRot butthurt? i don't know what that means, it just sounded like you were afraid georgie was having boyfriend problems
btw i don't see how making a trivial mistake in confusing two presidents with near identical names is anywhere near as serious as the monumental mistakes obama has made with healthcare and the economy. where's georgie's biting demand for explanations from the WH for Those?
@cloudshe In this case, butthurt means that you are just a sour republican who is upset that Obama is president. It's definitely obvious, you're whining about the most miniscule of gaffes.
You can't even accept Obama's birth certificate as real. Why? Do you hate yourself? Do you hate society?
It's hilarious that you freak because Obama accidentally said he had visited 57 states instead of 47, but when Bachmann slips up, you act like it's no problem. You're very odd, and dim to boot.
@SmallpoxRot you are wrong on so many levels, not trying to hurt your self esteem, but you might think about a different pasttime. never said bachmann didn't make a mistake, but why is georgie so concerned about Her errors yet never questioned mistakes made by that wonderful presidential hopeful BHO? never said BHOs BC was fake, you might actually read my posts. never said i was upset that BHO is president, just disappointed he's done such a crummy job. pls get a grip grasshopper
@cloudshe Thanks for the advice. Coming from you, it doesn't mean much. George was concerned with Bachmann's gaffes because she was the guest on the show, and she is likely going to be the GOP nominee for president. Obama is already the president, and Stephanopoulos isn't going to make much of an impact on his policy.
The major networks have all criticized Obama. If you ever watched you would know that. I can't believe I have to explain this to you.
@SmallpoxRot go ahead and Ignore how insubstantive the interviews w/ candidate BHO were. so you're saying georgie shouldn't be concerned w/ BHO's actions now because he would be too ineffective against the WH machine? is that why he picks on smallfry like MB? sorry you don't remember the love-fest over candidate obama in 2008, hope you haven't been too disappointed with him since. georgie doesn't seem to be
@cloudshe Sounds like you've been spoon-fed FOX News. Obama didn't face the toughest interviews on the major stations, but showed up for multiple browbeatings from FOX. Have you ever seen Palin being interviewed on FOX? Sad.
He wasn't picking on her, she was a guest. Do you understand? If you're a man, you need to grow some balls. And if you're a woman, well, I guess it's just hopeless.
@SmallpoxRot exactly! where was the question: "considering your hopelessly lacking experience and your failure to put forward an actual description of your agenda, why are you running for President, senator Obama?"
@SmallpoxRot i do believe MB, if she remains high in the polls, will get ample opportunity to 'splain her qualifications and agenda. so, WHY DIDN'T THE MSM ASK THE QUESTION of BHO??? i think you already know the answer, insults aside you seem to have some education
@cloudshe I don't know, maybe he did. So far, you seem upset because Stephanopoulos didn't berate Obama while he was interviewing Michelle Bachmann. Keep in mind, Bachmann and Obama ARE different people.
@SmallpoxRot i should not have to explain the issue of Double Standard to you. the bigger question is, will it be applied to the Next prez race? i bet Yes
@SmallpoxRot btw, i guess this is just a glimpse at next year when it's Candidate obama again, will georgie be the one to give him the tough, sarah palin trashing type interview like he's giving MB now? figure the odds
sorry a lot of this is over your head, maybe you were out of town last big election
I would like to point out the George is also incorrect in his history lesson. Slavery did not with the civil war. States like Maryland were still allowed to have slaves after the civil war because they were considered Union states and therefore the Emancipation Proclomation did not apply. LOL Dumb asses.
Frederick Douglass said the Constitution is hostile to the existence of slavery.
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Frederick Douglass said the "3/5ths clause" was anti-slavery.
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Look up who Frederick Douglass was.
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What Michele Bachmann said is closer to what Frederick Douglass believed than what you haters of Michele Bachmann say.
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The K--12 system in America is saturated with left wing political propaganda. Karl Marx and Upton Sinclair would be proud of modern day American education. Frederick Douglass likely would not.
Nice handle. Everyone is a racist :) Ah, it is soooo easy to have a one word catch all phrase you can pull from the bottom of the deck and play it. Just admit it. The Liberal Mob is all set for a any Republican Woman. Call her names, evoke the fear you all feel her then call her a Racist. WELL DONE!!! I am so proud of gear.
@btwall60 If someone compares Bachmann to Frederick Douglass, they must be a racist. That is one low blow to compare one of the most important civil rights figures to some republican doofus from Minnesota. It's insulting, and unless SomeLittleShoe is just an idiot, he knew exactly what he was doing by comparing a great historical figure like Douglass to Bachmann.
Sure, I'm "ready" for any republican woman. So far, you people have offered the likes of Palin, Bachmann, and Brewer. Nice try.
@cloudshe Read, moron. SomeLittleShoe is. If he thinks Bachmann is on the same level as Frederick Douglass, then SomeLittleShoe must think that Douglass was nothing more than a primitive gorilla.
Please try some comprehension if you insist on being embarrassed by me time and time again.
@SmallpoxRot since you apparently call racist on the skimpiest of evidence i must have figured you thought MB was a racist. so you Don't think MB is a racist? you would relinquish one of the Democrats' main talking points??
Haters come out of the woodwork when a good woman steps up.
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Michele Bachmann is far smarter than you haters will ever give her credit for. So no one should waste time waiting for you to be kind to her. We will only expect hatred from you over and over. And we will not be disappointed.
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Michele Bachmann has a good chance of being President. Obama is a poor leader. Things continue to get worse him as President. By the end of 2012 America could be in worse condition than the Great Depression.
I am not being unkind. You would like me to lie and say he isn't a very poor President\? I think that's what you mean. The only thing he has improved since he has been President is his golf game.
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He is a destructive leader. America has been harmed with him as President. And I think that is what he intended all along.
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But I blame the American people for that. There were clear indications he would harm America. Yet America voted him in.
@SomeLittleShoe Sure you are, hating on Obama without reason and all. If you think Obama is a poor president, then what do you think Bachmann would be? A good president?
The economy may be in shambles, and unemployment may be high, but it's hardly Obama's fault. He ordered the killing of Osama bin Laden and passed Obamacare. More than Bush ever did. Bombing innocent nations isn't exactly difficult.
Tell me how America has been harmed. I'm very curious.
@SomeLittleShoe right on. and we can thank the likes of george S, charlie G & katie for spiriting the Hope & Change thing along for the win. liberals Hate a fair fight
@cloudshe You should consider learning to spell "night". You know what actually does keep me warm at night? A thermostat.
cloudshe, you believe that the world is crumbling because of George Stephanopoulos and Katie Couric. How am I not supposed to hate you? Are you just a total buffoon, or are you a cerebral palsy victim or something?
Let me just confirm those that were for slavery were from what are today mostly red republican states and those who were against it were from the nasty blue democrate states.
Please check your facts . . . wikipedia provides a detailed summary of who the founding fathers are. John Quincy Adams had nothing to do with the declaration of independence, the constitutional congress, states politics in the revolutionary era, and the like. Agreed this sort of fact checking should not be important . . . except for politicians attempting to wrap themselves in the constitution. They should know basic US history.
Most of the Founding Fathers were against slavery. Only a few had slaves. Those few were the exception. But the politically left dominated educational system and media in America has made that exception the rule.
"Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States ... I have, throughout my whole life, held the practice of slavery in ... abhorrence."
Her stupidity is astounding. Rolling Stone has a great article this week about Bachmann regarding her ridiculous religious views. She is a religious fanatic of the worst kind. Religious kooks like her and Palin should NEVER be elected into public office! See "Religious fanatic debates Atheist" on my channel for more laughs.
@richardtheconquerer The problem was that she didn't misspeak. There were a large number of Founding Fathers that did, in fact, work tirelessly to eradicate slavery. She misspoke in this video in referring to John Quincy Adams as a Founding Father, but only after Stephanopoulos asked an uninformed and deceptive question, falsely accusing her of saying something previously that wasn't true.
@Fiercefist How about a nice list of incontrovertible Founding Fathers that were completely anti-slave?
Benjamin Franklin, John Jay, James Madison, James Monroe, Bushrod Washington, Charles Carroll, William Livingston, Richard Bassett, William Few, John Marshall, Richard Stockton, Zephaniah Swift, Benjamin Rush, and that just the short list. The list goes on and on. The majority of the Founding Fathers were rational, moral statesmen that understood "all men" to mean all of mankind.
@jnjnelson All rich white men... lol... Slavery wasn't abolished till 1865, blacks in all southern states couldn't vote till 1965, and women couldn't vote till 1920. So "all men?" lol And slavery wasn't over until almost 100 years after that... So they were too anti-slavery/oppression...
@Fiercefist It is these "rich white men" that compromised with the slave owners of the south to create the Constitution. Then these "rich white men" created organizations and committees to work with the unbending slave owners of the south to free slaves. Please don't blame these "rich white men" for the failures of slave owners and others to see reason. These "rich white men" were fighting valiantly for the unalienable rights of all mankind even when opposition to such ideas prevailed.
@jnjnelson number one it wasn't the rich white men, it was the Quakers and people like John Brown.. Then it was Abraham Lincoln who has African blood who signed the Emancipation Proclamation.. Then it was broke white men, who some didn't even like blacks, yet still fought for the Union; along with free blacks and escaped slaves who fought for the freedom of slaves. Lincoln didn't even want the blacks to fight, it was Frederick Douglass who convinced him otherwise.
@jnjnelson And hell yeah I'm going to blame them.. Who started it.. People act like the founding father's were such moral people, yet they had slaves and wouldn't allow women to vote. Even the Constitution was written for only rich white men.. Let's not forget what happened to the Native Americans. Remember the Trail of Tears? Please, give me a break. They enslaved, committed acts of genocide, and enslaved. Yet they were moral? lol. Yeah right.
@jnjnelson and lastly, we had to create organizations with the libral minded financially backing us. And wait, don't forget about a failed reconstruction. Why did the north abandon reconstruction in the south? hmmm......
@jnjnelson I'm replying to your remarks... lol.. Or do you just want to get the last word in? Don't try to say I changed the subject when I am replying to what you're saying..
@Fiercefist Are you saying that Frederick Douglas was part of the topic on hand? Are you saying the Trail of Tears and Native Americans is related to our discussion of the Founding Fathers? Also, are you saying the north's abandonment of reconstruction in the south is related to the discussion of whether the Founding Fathers supported slavery? Can I now start discussing the new Smurfs movie and claim to be on topic, too?
One more: How is my possible desire to get the last word in related?
@jnjnelson You said, "Then these "rich white men" created organizations and committees to work with the unbending slave owners of the south to free slaves.The majority of the Founding Fathers were rational, moral statesmen that understood "all men" to mean all of mankind." And so you probably need to go bactk and reread my statement. Most of these men were of no moral value, nor did they establish any organizations. If so name one.
@Fiercefist The "rich white men" I referred to were all, bar none, members of anti-slavery organizations, the first of which was the Pennsylvania Abolition Society founded by Benjamin Franklin and Benjamin Rush. That's one, just like you asked for. If you would like me to name more of them, feel free to ask. You probably need to go back and read a bit of history.
@jnjnelson Those are two!! And slavery still existed for almost another 100 years. And if you go back and read, you will see I only said a couple of them.. So do you feel better about the fact that at least two founding fathers were anti slavery? What about the rest? lol... 1776 to 1865 to 1965..
@Fiercefist You said "name one", I did so. All fourteen of the Founding Fathers I named (which you referred to as "rich white men") were actively involved in organizations similar to that of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society. Are you asking me to name all of those societies, or did you want me to "name one"? Some consistency would help our discussion.
@jnjnelson George Washington owned more than 200 slaves,Thomas Jefferson owned more than 100 slaves,James Madison owned and sold slaves all his life, James Monroe owned 30-40 slaves,Andrew, Jackson owned about 160 slaves, Martin Van Buren owned at least one slave, William Henry Harrison had several slaves John Tyler had slaves James K. Polk had 15 slaves, Zachary Taylor owned more than 100 slaves, Andrew Johnson owned 8 slaves, Ulysses S. Grant freed his slaves.
@Fiercefist All the men you list owned slaves at one point in their lives. Does it then logically follow that any actions they made to end slavery or fight against slavery later in their lives are null and void? Is it your position that anyone who owned slaves at that period of time are evil and not worthy of any honor, in spite of any other accomplishments? Does ownership of slaves at any point in one's life condemn one to eternal damnation dictated by the judgement of almighty Fiercefist?
@jnjnelson I can't judge anyone, but I know hypocrites when I hear and see them. that means that when the Constitution was written it didn't include everyone. It means that not all of the founding fathers were for slavery, but most of them didn't do anything to stop it either, which made them just as guilty. And lastly, yes if you "READ" history on slavery, you'll see how cruel and inhumane it was.
@jnjnelson So inherently, if a president for example Thomas Jefferson while alive, pulls his slaves teeth, another human being to use as dentures and then fathers children by his slaves, although he was married. And George Washington who too had fathered kids by his slaves and who didn't actually believe in God, but saw him as a deity.. Well you make that judgement for yourself.
@jnjnelson Of the first five presidents, four owned slaves. All four of these owned slaves while they were president. Of the next five presidents (#6-10), four owned slaves. Only two of them owned slaves while they were president. Of the next five presidents (#11-15), two owned slaves. Both of these two owned slaves while they were president. Of the next three presidents (#16-18) two owned slaves. neither of them owned slaves while serving as president.
@jnjnelson If you know history, which I'm sure you know a little bit. Since I have to dumb it down, Frederick Douglass I mentioned because he represents those who actually "FOUGHT and ORGANIZED" against slavery. Not the founding fathers as mentioned. Two, reconstruction failed because the north made a deal with the south, thus rich white men making deals leaving out the freedmen. Three, the Trail of Tears represents how Indians were displaced by the "rich white man."
@jnjnelson To conclude, if you want to talk about the Smurfs, I never watched the movie. But the cereal was better than the cartoon." The point is, non of these dudes worked tirelessly to free anybody. All were created equal, but most of them had slaves, and suppressed women. Poppa Smurf didn't run his village like that. Maybe since they were all purple they knew they were created equal..
@Fiercefist I have to interject that Poppa Smurf was no bastion of equality. Only one female, and she didn't even have a name, just a designation - Smurfette. And she was nothing but the worst sort of female stereotypes. Blech! ....As you were.
@jnjnelson Go watch the video of her speech. It's online. She says the founding fathers worked tirelessly until slavery was done away with. That simply isn't true, whether they were anti-slavery or not.
@richardtheconquerer Thank you for referring me to the original video - I had not seen it. It appears my definition of "Founding Father" is not the same as Ms. Bachmann's. However, I know many people that share her definition, and I see that definition as a valid point of view. My comments were in the context of this video, and the Mr. Stephanopoulos's questions are just as ignorant as Ms. Bachmann's statements.
What an ignorant cunt. ….”constitution has given us the bases of freedom unparallel to any other country in the world”. Like Europe and the rest of the western world has less freedom than the US. She can’t even answer a simple question.
"Unparalleled in the rest of the world" Yeah cause the USA is the only democratic country on Earth, Bachmann go back to grade 9 you fuking moron
ParadeofCrows 6 days ago
"We no longer have slavery. That's a good thing." Way to go out on a limb, bimbo.
angusrocks6464 2 months ago 3
I love how she is exactly like Limbaugh and deflects every question that incriminates them its stupid just answer the question fuck this bigot
SADerMetzger 3 months ago
i guarantee you that once she fucked up and made that statement and realized that she had to find some reason to explain why she said it, i guarantee her publicist or whomever is in charge of making her look less stupid, told her to find someone who was somehow involved in both the revolutionary war AND the civil war simultaneously, and when she couldn't, she just said fuck it and said, hey will john quincy adams was ALIVE during the revolutionary war, so, does that make me look less stupid?
mikeLivornese 3 months ago
I still love the Iwo Jima comments in which she called the battle Iwo Jama. She said that battle was against all odds. Nothing could be further from the truth.
greg0879 3 months ago
WTF hahahaha
SunnyDpro55 5 months ago
She is as thick as a brick when will we see a female RON PAUL? Until them I'm voting for RON PAUL...Texas loves you Congressman!
TheNova1960 6 months ago
Why is she running for President. She should be in the kitchen making me a sandwich. NOM NOM NOM.
jamschott 6 months ago
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Jew & Federal Reserve - December 23, 1913
Jew founders :
1. John D Rockefeller Jr ( Banker )
2. Paul M Warburg ( Banker )
3. Nelson D Aldrich ( Politician - daughter Abby marries John D Rockefeller Jr )
Stevie68000 6 months ago
I love what Jon Stewart said about this.
nobodylikesmycookies 7 months ago
She is the ultimate reflection of a Religious person of a Religious Nature.
Even if you are wrong, you still stand by it.
She is a fool to anyone watching this video but I am convince she don't see it that way.
Bracerjack 7 months ago
Obama has made it with all kinds of retarded statements. Most of these fucks do. Because we keep voting them in. If we fail to set standards and enforce them, we will continue to get government "officials" that treat us the way spoiled defiant children treat their parents. We left them alone for many years because we trusted them But, they became corrupted at a time before we had access to information with the internet. With the light on these incompetent corrupt cockroaches should scatter soon.
emorganschuster62 7 months ago
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Thanks to liberal policies America can no longer afford to pay for medicare, social security, unemployment and many other services. We also need to lower the minimum wage to $2/hr in order to compete with China and bring jobs back home. Fiscally responsible conservatives like Paul Ryan and Michele Bachmann know this and are currently
working to end these wasteful handout programs and bring the minimum wage down so that America can be great again. God bless the GOP!
TheKmbt 7 months ago
What is Michele Bachmann’s plan? Say stupid stuff like Sara Palin then go on to make a ton of money giving speeches to idiot Republican voters? If that is the case I don’t blame her, it sure as hell worked for Sara Palin.
Same looks, same brain or no brain, same idiot voters.
Why the hell not.
Commonsenseification 7 months ago
@Commonsenseification are YOU the dips**t that spam-blocked TheKmbt's post? what "stupid stuff" do you refer to? look up "gaffe", you know, like obama confusing the constitution w/ the dec of indep. is That a "big f***ing deal" too?
have you noticed the incredibly stupid stuff BHO has said lately? all about re-election and Nothing to do with solving our economic problems?
cloudshe 7 months ago
Seriuosly where do these women come from hahahaha
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And she wants to be our next President. LOL God help us all.
MrRustyspot 7 months ago
JQA was not a founding father but he was the last of their kind to ever be commander-in-chief. It's all the more stark a contrast considering that Jackson became president after him. In any case, the woman probably just watched a documentary or two on early America and was content with soundbites from those, thus having no real understanding of history
TheHumanFiction 7 months ago
cloudshe, I remember something about Sen Obama. He voted no for the phony Iraq war we were tricked into.
grabngonuts 8 months ago
@grabngonuts yeah, and it's Great how he held on to the GWB playbook and finally got Bin Ladin. and we are Still in iraq, maybe he figured out GWB was correct there also
cloudshe 7 months ago
dumb bitch didnt answer the question
sethisaaccohen 8 months ago
If the question is whether those who wrote our Constitution embraced slavery, you have only to look at the 3/5th Person Compromise to see they did not. Our Founding Fathers ensured slaves counted as 3/5ths a person to limit the census count in slave states and, thereby, the number of Reps who favored slavery. It was profoundly empowering for blacks. The result was the North census endowed them with more Reps and eventually our nation's culture changed to abhor slavery.
dittomarks 8 months ago
@dittomarks
You should watch out, to much truth sets youtubers' fingers on fire when they would rather listen to bs.
btwall60 7 months ago
youtube.com/watch?v=5GGIi8Ytw4E
nevo0 8 months ago
Yup, Stephy must be a great guy. I wonder which child he and the rest of the Douche bag "media" are going to go after first? Which Foster child? hmmmmnn, they would have to weed them out, "OK George, you can't go after the one with downs syndrome, it's been done before, the black kid is out and so is the Spanish one, she does have a white boy and and white girl you can go after, I'd rather you go after the boy, we have it on good word he once wacked off 2 a picture of Hillary Clinton" is that OK
btwall60 8 months ago
She is a hypocrite. And a dumb bitch.
She takes money from the government and denies it.
FWIW, Breitbart is the Andrew Dice Clay of journalism, and a disgrace to all journalists.
DeweyBrockman 8 months ago
@DeweyBrockman
You are exactly the type of person the Leftist, Democrat Mob loves and gets support from. Everyone on the Right, in the end, has to be a perfect human being to run against one of the Mob. Why? Because in the end they call them "hypocrites". Because the people on the Left like you have zero Standards, zero Morals and hate anyone who does. You have just proved what the book DEMONIC is all about. BTW, U don't like Brietbart cause he's right and now Weiners OUT. :)
btwall60 8 months ago
@btwall60 - Nice retort, jackass.
Stop jacking off to Michele Bachmann.
DeweyBrockman 7 months ago
@DeweyBrockman
aw geez, another media matters moveon.org dick head. Let's see, you bear the usual markings. A phony youboob account, no friends, no subs, no original videos and of course, you are a pussy, with NO PICTURE, also your worst sin is that you have no talent.
Who hipped you to my posts, someone hanging over your cubicle? :) Youdouche
btwall60 7 months ago
Another thing that Steph is overlooking is that many historians DO consider a Founding Father not just a Signer of the Declaration of Independence or a Framer of the Constitution. It included people who were involved in some capacity is developing the young nation (e.g. soldier, judge, etc). John Quincy Adams did accompany his father on diplomatic trips when JQA was just a boy. So Steph, she isn't the one, sir, who needs to study her American history. She got it right.
Retirement02042012 8 months ago
@Retirement02042012 He was 8 years old at the time. He may have accompanied his father on trips but that does not make him one of the Founding Fathers. She got it wrong.
tgear77 8 months ago
@tgear77
She explains exactly what she meant in the sentence she spoke. If in fact you do not want to understand it, you suffer from what is called Willful Blindness, as the whole of the DEMONIC Left does.
btwall60 8 months ago
@btwall60 Sorry, but she keeps trying to repeat that John Quincy Adams was a Founding Father when it was clearly impossible for him to be considered so. He was 8 years old at the time. He would later serve as a secretary for his father but not at the point of the Constitution being written and ratified. If you believe Bachmann was right, in this or in any of her many other moronic gaffes, then it is you who suffers from blindness...and ignorance.
tgear77 8 months ago
@Retirement02042012 You're are dead fucking wrong. Admit it before I find you.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot
Hi, Stephanopoulos did, in fact, say what I said he did. He is going after her children only two weeks after Michelle Obama said "oh, the press has left us alone, and they have left the kids alone" whoopie. George is the lowest of the low, and you back him up. well done.
btwall60 8 months ago
@btwall60 He's lower than serial killers? Rapists? REPUBLICANS?? Either you're a terrific troll, or a genuine nutcase. I'll assume the latter.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
Steph ...you illiterate idiot ! Jefferson and Madison and Mason (1785 bill presented at the Virginia assembly) and Franklin and others did work to end slavery ! Jefferson specifically put language in the the first draft of the Constitution to end slavery but it was rejected by South Carolina and Georgia. Thus, if they had not signed on, slavery might have lasted longer, and it's likely there would not have ever been a United States.
Retirement02042012 8 months ago
She is a reptoid.
welsherbry 8 months ago
Bachmann is a troll, I'm sure of it.
drummerponsi 8 months ago
God she is dumber that Bush v2.0 that is a real accomplishment. Wonder if she can say nuclear?
WanderingTaoist101 8 months ago 2
Looks like Stephy needs to dome some better research.
The lib media needs to figure out there are alternate sources to find information.
01SuperC 8 months ago
Patrick Henry, the great Virginian patriot, refused to attend the Convention because he "smelt a rat," was outspoken on the issue, despite his citizenship in a slave state. In 1773, he wrote, "I believe a time will come when an opportunity will be offered to abolish this lamentable evil. Everything we do is to improve it, if it happens in our day; if not, let us transmit to our descendants, together with our slaves, a pity for their unhappy lot and an abhorrence of slavery."
01SuperC 8 months ago
Oliver Ellsworth, one of the signers of the Constitution wrote, a few months after the Convention adjourned, "All good men wish the entire abolition of slavery, as soon as it can take place with safety to the public, and for the lasting good of the present wretched race of slaves."
01SuperC 8 months ago
John Jay, great supporter of the Constitution after its creation and an author of The Federalist wrote in 1786, "It is much to be wished that slavery may be abolished. The honour of the States, as well as justice and humanity, in my opinion, loudly call upon them to emancipate these unhappy people. To contend for our own liberty, and to deny that blessing to others, involves an inconsistency not to be excused."
Oliver Ellsworth, one of the signers of the Constitution wrote, a few months after
01SuperC 8 months ago
This is not a gaffe. Everyone gaffes sometimes, this is much more than that. She maintains steadfastly that JQA as a founder even while being told that he was not. She talks around insisting that the founders fought to end slavery without even acknowledging she either made a mistake or lied blatantly about it. She or her staffers failed to do their due diligence and had her talking about how inspiring John Wayne Gacey was rather than John Wayne. She's either nuts, lazy or stupid.
dashab 8 months ago
@dashab yeah, she needs a good teleprompter and a fawning MSM
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe What are you talking about? Can't you just leave?
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot hey, i'm just waiting for that hope & change thing to kick in to fix the economy and save the world
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe Republicans think the world is perfect, remember? Everyone can fend for themself, there needs to be no government, and poverty is an illusion.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot that argument doesn't work very well when the HDIC is cluelessly failing
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe Please tell me what the HDIC is. Are you trying to make some reference to the government? Or are you talking about Hockey Day in Canada?
Can't you at least try to sound smart?
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot Head Democrat In Charge of course. it's a play on the common HMFIC label, but the Hockey Day thing was pretty clever :)
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe Yeah, the MSM is making her say those things. Why didn't I figure that out for myself? Oh, probably because that's not what's happening. And a teleprompter won't stop you from reinventing history if that's what on the screen. And frankly, I have no idea how it got this way, but politics in America are so skewed to the right that and you think of as "liberal" is actually middle of the road everywhere else, don't blame the MSM for Republican stupidity.
dashab 3 months ago
@dashab Stupid? is wasn't Republicans that voted in the current president, based on No vision, No promises (oh he DID promise immediate money from the IRS if he was voted in), No experience, No BC (apparently, a minor detail).
Stupid? how did "i'm not Bush" resonate as the primary (only?) campaign promise?
Stupid? "this time you'll have to vote for someone else to prove you're not an Idiot"
cloudshe 3 months ago
@dashab What isn't a gaffe is the economic turmoil we are in. Please outline how President Obama's policies have created an environment that is conducive to job growth and economic prosperity. In your response, please try not to bring up Bush or the Republicans. Reagan was handed a far worse economy than what Obama got and turned it around in 18 months. Bachman subscribes to the same free market capitalism model that Reagan did. Capitalism works. What Obama is doing has failed.
imax1971 8 months ago
@imax1971 We're talking about Michelle Bachmann, you dolt.
Please try to not bring up Obama every time an idiotic republican is exposed.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot
Gee, it's good to see one Obama supporter still left on youtube. They were out in force when he failed up for the last time in his life. Obama is the biggest example of the Peter Principle in history. He
btwall60 8 months ago
@btwall60 Have you seen the Geico commercial where the two guys live under rocks?
It reminds me of you...
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot HAHA! You ran away from our "debate" in another video because you couldn't answer a simple question! Now you do what liberals do best, insult people! If you read my comment I touched on Bachman's ideology. She subscribes to smaller govt. and fiscal conservatism. That model worked in the early 80's. It will work today. What Obama subscribes to is more spending and more govt. in our lives. This has never worked! That is why YOU can't answer the question I asked in regards to Obama!
imax1971 8 months ago
@imax1971 Err...I didn't run away. I'll eagerly respond in a moment. Calm down...
I insult people only when it's deserved. And you've proven to be a one-sided hack. Who cares about Obama? This video is about Bachmann.
You conservatives need to get a grip, it's too easy to fool you. When someone claims to support small government and fiscal conservatism, you become aroused and run to the voting booth.
Smart conservatives won't vote for Bachmann. You're not one of them.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot "Who cares about Obama".... You ACTUALLY wrote that!?!???!! He is the President of the United States you stupid son of a bitch!! The whole Bachman debate is taking place because she is running for that position!!!! Making comments about his dismal record are VERY relevant...Are you out of your mind??? Your government organizer is a one term President. Conservatism is proven to work. Unsustainable, bloated govt. throwing money at a problem HAS NEVER WORKED here and abroad...
imax1971 8 months ago
@imax1971 You should calm down. You're 40 and you act like a middle school brat...how nice. Yes, I did say who cares about Obama, because this video is about Michelle Bachmann. Allow me to remind you of what you wrote, since you're about as bright as a squirrel...
"I did not blame Obama for anything. I simply asked what he doing to help promote job growth and to stimulate the economy! Who cares who is to blame." Yup, I thought it was pretty fuckin' stupid too. Slit your throat, douche.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot You make absolutely no sense. I stand by my quote! I don't care who is to blame for the economy. We, as Americans need it fixed. I asked you a half a dozen times as to what our CURRENT president is doing to fix the problem. Your answer was the "stimulus". That didn't work. What is his plan B? You can hurl silly little insults all you want. How about hurling something substantive??? Is it out of line to talk about our president on a vid of Bachman who is running for the position?
imax1971 8 months ago
@imax1971 If you can't understand, that's your problem. I dangled your hypocrisy in front of your face. You said "who cares who is to blame," then when I said Obama has no relation to this video you had a shit fit. Yes, our economy has to be fixed. That has absolutely nothing to do with Michelle Bachmann and what she said about the founding fathers.
I gave you a perfectly reasonable answer. As a conservative, you should be happy with the tax rates and Wall Street deregulation.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@imax1971 Google it. Your unwillingness to pay any attention to the fact that Republicans have blocked every attempt to fix this means I can't do what you ask. And the numbers show job growth in spite of that fact. If capitalism works, why are we in this boat? Why isn't the market fixing itself? Money doesn't come from nowhere and we have created a society that will not function without money. And Regan fixed nothing. He put a Bandaid on cancer and pretended it wasn't there.
dashab 3 months ago
@dashab Ridiculous. you call Obama's joke budget an attempt to fix the economy? or his blowing off the debt ceiling? or his "pass it NOW" jobs bill written on the back of a cocktail napkin while vacationing? or his leadership in bargaining a supercommittee compromise?
maybe Obama should start acting like President instead of Emperor if he wants to help the economy
cloudshe 3 months ago
@cloudshe I for one, welcome His Imperial Majesty Emperor Obama I, Long May he reign! That would go a long way to making sure the neocons never come anywhere near the levers of power and authority, and that's hardly bad thing when you look at it like that.
ReadmanJ 3 months ago
@ReadmanJ fortunately it's not a black or white thing. maybe if the democraps gave us a better choice we could make some progress, but the current commie has Not done us well, and it was SO predictable, thank you media types, you did such a Wonderful job of pointing this out.
bachmann is not going to make it, she, like BHO, doesn't have the resume. either romney or newt would be a blessing for the economy, obama would just drive us deeper in the hole, no ideas, no substance, no clue
cloudshe 3 months ago
Damn, politicians keep getting dumber. This is really the kind of person people want running America? Yeah, we are done.
cmbmachine 8 months ago
@cmbmachine yeah, what we really need is a spendthrift socialist running the show, that'll work
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe Ugh, ok. Your point is??? I never said someone like that was better I don't think. Let me check... Nope didn't say anything close to that.
cmbmachine 8 months ago
@cmbmachine so my personafication of an Obama supporter doesn't fit you? somehow you must feel a little guilty if you think it was meant that way
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe Once again, never said that either. Fail Troll is Fail.
cmbmachine 8 months ago
@cmbmachine maybe when your drugs wear off you'll understand my suggestion, it wasn't that difficult
"Fail Troll is Fail"?? is that English?
cloudshe 8 months ago
Slavery is bad. The constitution is good, and good things are better than bad things. So, you see, I was right all along.
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hager3030 8 months ago
"We no longer have slavery. That's a good thing."
letrou1 8 months ago
Has nobody realized that she said JOHN QUINCY ADAMS was a founding father? His father was but no way in hell was Quincy. He wasn't active until the 1800s.
sk8tertater 8 months ago
@LordSparkisvati Can't you find someone else to hate besides Stephanopoulos? Or are you just a butthurt bitch?
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
sarah palin 2.0
Will24x7 8 months ago
There is really no use talking to the Liberal Mob. TEDIOUS
btwall60 8 months ago
don't remember geo Stephanopoulos grilling Obama about the 57 states in the union or why he wouldn't release his BC or for that matter Anything relating to knowlege of our nation's history. amazing how he's so sensitive to Other (conservative) folks making mistakes. he should have been Fired after his drunk driving episode
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe OMG, 57 states? Obama said that? I only discovered that the first 5,000,000 times conservatives pointed it out. Desperate much?
What's your beef with Stephanopoulos? Did he take your boyfriend?
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot okay, how about obama's lack of flag etiquette, his mistaking a breathalizer for an inhaler, sorry you missed the point, people make mistakes. then dopes like stephanopoulos grill them on it for entertainment value. only NO ONE grilled Obama during his campaign, he was just Too wonderful to be true.
BTW i promise not to compete with you for GS's affections so you can stop the jealousy
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe That's such a lie. He just had to produce his birth certificate again to please crazies who still think he was born in Kenya. Were you just born?
dashab 8 months ago
@dashab why is that "such a lie"? circumstantially obama's crackerjack box version of his BC looked to many americans to be false, to deny That would be Your lie, grasshopper
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe There's a HUGE difference between Obama called an inhaler a breathalizer, and Bachmann going on a tirade about John Quincy Adams being a founding father. You're right, people do make mistakes. Obama's the president, and yes, he will misspeak from time to time.
Bachmann is running a campaign, and she should be more prepared for questioning. I've known the difference between John Adams and JQA since I was just a little kid.
I just asked why you have a problem, no need to get butthurt.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot butthurt? i don't know what that means, it just sounded like you were afraid georgie was having boyfriend problems
btw i don't see how making a trivial mistake in confusing two presidents with near identical names is anywhere near as serious as the monumental mistakes obama has made with healthcare and the economy. where's georgie's biting demand for explanations from the WH for Those?
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe In this case, butthurt means that you are just a sour republican who is upset that Obama is president. It's definitely obvious, you're whining about the most miniscule of gaffes.
You can't even accept Obama's birth certificate as real. Why? Do you hate yourself? Do you hate society?
It's hilarious that you freak because Obama accidentally said he had visited 57 states instead of 47, but when Bachmann slips up, you act like it's no problem. You're very odd, and dim to boot.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot you are wrong on so many levels, not trying to hurt your self esteem, but you might think about a different pasttime. never said bachmann didn't make a mistake, but why is georgie so concerned about Her errors yet never questioned mistakes made by that wonderful presidential hopeful BHO? never said BHOs BC was fake, you might actually read my posts. never said i was upset that BHO is president, just disappointed he's done such a crummy job. pls get a grip grasshopper
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe Thanks for the advice. Coming from you, it doesn't mean much. George was concerned with Bachmann's gaffes because she was the guest on the show, and she is likely going to be the GOP nominee for president. Obama is already the president, and Stephanopoulos isn't going to make much of an impact on his policy.
The major networks have all criticized Obama. If you ever watched you would know that. I can't believe I have to explain this to you.
Bachmann was in the seat. Not Obama.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot go ahead and Ignore how insubstantive the interviews w/ candidate BHO were. so you're saying georgie shouldn't be concerned w/ BHO's actions now because he would be too ineffective against the WH machine? is that why he picks on smallfry like MB? sorry you don't remember the love-fest over candidate obama in 2008, hope you haven't been too disappointed with him since. georgie doesn't seem to be
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe Sounds like you've been spoon-fed FOX News. Obama didn't face the toughest interviews on the major stations, but showed up for multiple browbeatings from FOX. Have you ever seen Palin being interviewed on FOX? Sad.
He wasn't picking on her, she was a guest. Do you understand? If you're a man, you need to grow some balls. And if you're a woman, well, I guess it's just hopeless.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot exactly! where was the question: "considering your hopelessly lacking experience and your failure to put forward an actual description of your agenda, why are you running for President, senator Obama?"
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe He was a state senator and a U.S. senator. Michelle Bachmann is a representative. You're a hypocrite, and a retarded cunt.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot i do believe MB, if she remains high in the polls, will get ample opportunity to 'splain her qualifications and agenda. so, WHY DIDN'T THE MSM ASK THE QUESTION of BHO??? i think you already know the answer, insults aside you seem to have some education
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe I don't know, maybe he did. So far, you seem upset because Stephanopoulos didn't berate Obama while he was interviewing Michelle Bachmann. Keep in mind, Bachmann and Obama ARE different people.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot i should not have to explain the issue of Double Standard to you. the bigger question is, will it be applied to the Next prez race? i bet Yes
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe I fail to see how Bachmann's idiocy creates a double standard...
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot open thy eyes grasshopper
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe I don't take advice from the blind. But I do give it. How is Michelle Bachmann's gaffe Stephanopoulos' or Obama's fault?
You are a very whiny child...
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot you fail to see the difference between a gaffe and demonstrated incompetence. obama makes even joe biden look good
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe You just don't stop, do you?
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot okay. roger & out.
cloudshe 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot btw, i guess this is just a glimpse at next year when it's Candidate obama again, will georgie be the one to give him the tough, sarah palin trashing type interview like he's giving MB now? figure the odds
sorry a lot of this is over your head, maybe you were out of town last big election
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe You don't pay much attention to reality, do you?
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot well, apparently in Your wonderland, BHO is doing a great job
cloudshe 8 months ago
I would like to point out the George is also incorrect in his history lesson. Slavery did not with the civil war. States like Maryland were still allowed to have slaves after the civil war because they were considered Union states and therefore the Emancipation Proclomation did not apply. LOL Dumb asses.
Smertrios0 8 months ago
Frederick Douglass said the Constitution is hostile to the existence of slavery.
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Frederick Douglass said the "3/5ths clause" was anti-slavery.
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Look up who Frederick Douglass was.
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What Michele Bachmann said is closer to what Frederick Douglass believed than what you haters of Michele Bachmann say.
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The K--12 system in America is saturated with left wing political propaganda. Karl Marx and Upton Sinclair would be proud of modern day American education. Frederick Douglass likely would not.
SomeLittleShoe 8 months ago
@SomeLittleShoe Yes, if it isn't far-right, it's left wing. You have it all figured out, don't ya?
Also, don't dare compare Bachmann to Frederick Douglass, you racist.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot
Nice handle. Everyone is a racist :) Ah, it is soooo easy to have a one word catch all phrase you can pull from the bottom of the deck and play it. Just admit it. The Liberal Mob is all set for a any Republican Woman. Call her names, evoke the fear you all feel her then call her a Racist. WELL DONE!!! I am so proud of gear.
btwall60 8 months ago
@btwall60 If someone compares Bachmann to Frederick Douglass, they must be a racist. That is one low blow to compare one of the most important civil rights figures to some republican doofus from Minnesota. It's insulting, and unless SomeLittleShoe is just an idiot, he knew exactly what he was doing by comparing a great historical figure like Douglass to Bachmann.
Sure, I'm "ready" for any republican woman. So far, you people have offered the likes of Palin, Bachmann, and Brewer. Nice try.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot michelle bachmann is a racist? i guess it was just a matter of time before that insult came out
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe Read, moron. SomeLittleShoe is. If he thinks Bachmann is on the same level as Frederick Douglass, then SomeLittleShoe must think that Douglass was nothing more than a primitive gorilla.
Please try some comprehension if you insist on being embarrassed by me time and time again.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot since you apparently call racist on the skimpiest of evidence i must have figured you thought MB was a racist. so you Don't think MB is a racist? you would relinquish one of the Democrats' main talking points??
cloudshe 8 months ago
Haters come out of the woodwork when a good woman steps up.
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Michele Bachmann is far smarter than you haters will ever give her credit for. So no one should waste time waiting for you to be kind to her. We will only expect hatred from you over and over. And we will not be disappointed.
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Michele Bachmann has a good chance of being President. Obama is a poor leader. Things continue to get worse him as President. By the end of 2012 America could be in worse condition than the Great Depression.
SomeLittleShoe 8 months ago
@SomeLittleShoe You should be kinder to Obama, since you are so intent on people being nice to Bachmann. Wuss.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot
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I am not being unkind. You would like me to lie and say he isn't a very poor President\? I think that's what you mean. The only thing he has improved since he has been President is his golf game.
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He is a destructive leader. America has been harmed with him as President. And I think that is what he intended all along.
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But I blame the American people for that. There were clear indications he would harm America. Yet America voted him in.
SomeLittleShoe 8 months ago
@SomeLittleShoe Nah
dashab 8 months ago
@SomeLittleShoe Sure you are, hating on Obama without reason and all. If you think Obama is a poor president, then what do you think Bachmann would be? A good president?
The economy may be in shambles, and unemployment may be high, but it's hardly Obama's fault. He ordered the killing of Osama bin Laden and passed Obamacare. More than Bush ever did. Bombing innocent nations isn't exactly difficult.
Tell me how America has been harmed. I'm very curious.
Lastly, did you vote Bush? Then shut up.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SomeLittleShoe right on. and we can thank the likes of george S, charlie G & katie for spiriting the Hope & Change thing along for the win. liberals Hate a fair fight
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe And I hate you.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot Cloudshe Bad, Obama Good. stay with that, it'll keep you warm at nite
cloudshe 8 months ago
@cloudshe You should consider learning to spell "night". You know what actually does keep me warm at night? A thermostat.
cloudshe, you believe that the world is crumbling because of George Stephanopoulos and Katie Couric. How am I not supposed to hate you? Are you just a total buffoon, or are you a cerebral palsy victim or something?
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
@SmallpoxRot it's been fun. just some advice, don't let the hate thing define you, smile and the world smiles with you!
cloudshe 8 months ago
"We no longer have slavery.... That's a good thing."
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LOL @ freedom "unparalleled in the rest of the world." What nonsense.
What the hell did this anchor let her get off the hook at the end? PRESS THAT WOMAN.
MrSockoOck 8 months ago
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MrSockoOck 8 months ago
Let me just confirm those that were for slavery were from what are today mostly red republican states and those who were against it were from the nasty blue democrate states.
harding10B 8 months ago
Please check your facts . . . wikipedia provides a detailed summary of who the founding fathers are. John Quincy Adams had nothing to do with the declaration of independence, the constitutional congress, states politics in the revolutionary era, and the like. Agreed this sort of fact checking should not be important . . . except for politicians attempting to wrap themselves in the constitution. They should know basic US history.
She's a nice lady . . .
Martin1190 8 months ago
The next President of the United States:
Michele Bachmann
SomeLittleShoe 8 months ago
Most of the Founding Fathers were against slavery. Only a few had slaves. Those few were the exception. But the politically left dominated educational system and media in America has made that exception the rule.
"Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States ... I have, throughout my whole life, held the practice of slavery in ... abhorrence."
-- John Adams
SomeLittleShoe 8 months ago
Her stupidity is astounding. Rolling Stone has a great article this week about Bachmann regarding her ridiculous religious views. She is a religious fanatic of the worst kind. Religious kooks like her and Palin should NEVER be elected into public office! See "Religious fanatic debates Atheist" on my channel for more laughs.
Sweence 8 months ago
Bachmann is batshit insane, We know her here in Minn and she's flat out nuts.
1noen1 8 months ago
"I may have misspoke"
That's all. THAT'S ALL YOU HAD TO SAY.
Nah, it's easier to just adjust history then FURTHER dig a bigger hole by claiming 8 year old John Quincy Adams was a founding father.
richardtheconquerer 8 months ago
@richardtheconquerer Yes, thank you!
kwb70652 8 months ago
@richardtheconquerer The problem was that she didn't misspeak. There were a large number of Founding Fathers that did, in fact, work tirelessly to eradicate slavery. She misspoke in this video in referring to John Quincy Adams as a Founding Father, but only after Stephanopoulos asked an uninformed and deceptive question, falsely accusing her of saying something previously that wasn't true.
jnjnelson 8 months ago
@jnjnelson, if so there were only two, because the rest of them were tirelessly working their slaves to death..
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@Fiercefist How about a nice list of incontrovertible Founding Fathers that were completely anti-slave?
Benjamin Franklin, John Jay, James Madison, James Monroe, Bushrod Washington, Charles Carroll, William Livingston, Richard Bassett, William Few, John Marshall, Richard Stockton, Zephaniah Swift, Benjamin Rush, and that just the short list. The list goes on and on. The majority of the Founding Fathers were rational, moral statesmen that understood "all men" to mean all of mankind.
jnjnelson 8 months ago
@jnjnelson All rich white men... lol... Slavery wasn't abolished till 1865, blacks in all southern states couldn't vote till 1965, and women couldn't vote till 1920. So "all men?" lol And slavery wasn't over until almost 100 years after that... So they were too anti-slavery/oppression...
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@Fiercefist It is these "rich white men" that compromised with the slave owners of the south to create the Constitution. Then these "rich white men" created organizations and committees to work with the unbending slave owners of the south to free slaves. Please don't blame these "rich white men" for the failures of slave owners and others to see reason. These "rich white men" were fighting valiantly for the unalienable rights of all mankind even when opposition to such ideas prevailed.
jnjnelson 8 months ago
@jnjnelson number one it wasn't the rich white men, it was the Quakers and people like John Brown.. Then it was Abraham Lincoln who has African blood who signed the Emancipation Proclamation.. Then it was broke white men, who some didn't even like blacks, yet still fought for the Union; along with free blacks and escaped slaves who fought for the freedom of slaves. Lincoln didn't even want the blacks to fight, it was Frederick Douglass who convinced him otherwise.
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@jnjnelson And hell yeah I'm going to blame them.. Who started it.. People act like the founding father's were such moral people, yet they had slaves and wouldn't allow women to vote. Even the Constitution was written for only rich white men.. Let's not forget what happened to the Native Americans. Remember the Trail of Tears? Please, give me a break. They enslaved, committed acts of genocide, and enslaved. Yet they were moral? lol. Yeah right.
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@jnjnelson and lastly, we had to create organizations with the libral minded financially backing us. And wait, don't forget about a failed reconstruction. Why did the north abandon reconstruction in the south? hmmm......
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@Fiercefist Do you always make your point by changing the subject?
jnjnelson 8 months ago
@jnjnelson I'm replying to your remarks... lol.. Or do you just want to get the last word in? Don't try to say I changed the subject when I am replying to what you're saying..
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@Fiercefist Are you saying that Frederick Douglas was part of the topic on hand? Are you saying the Trail of Tears and Native Americans is related to our discussion of the Founding Fathers? Also, are you saying the north's abandonment of reconstruction in the south is related to the discussion of whether the Founding Fathers supported slavery? Can I now start discussing the new Smurfs movie and claim to be on topic, too?
One more: How is my possible desire to get the last word in related?
jnjnelson 8 months ago
@jnjnelson You said, "Then these "rich white men" created organizations and committees to work with the unbending slave owners of the south to free slaves.The majority of the Founding Fathers were rational, moral statesmen that understood "all men" to mean all of mankind." And so you probably need to go bactk and reread my statement. Most of these men were of no moral value, nor did they establish any organizations. If so name one.
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@Fiercefist The "rich white men" I referred to were all, bar none, members of anti-slavery organizations, the first of which was the Pennsylvania Abolition Society founded by Benjamin Franklin and Benjamin Rush. That's one, just like you asked for. If you would like me to name more of them, feel free to ask. You probably need to go back and read a bit of history.
jnjnelson 8 months ago
@jnjnelson Those are two!! And slavery still existed for almost another 100 years. And if you go back and read, you will see I only said a couple of them.. So do you feel better about the fact that at least two founding fathers were anti slavery? What about the rest? lol... 1776 to 1865 to 1965..
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@Fiercefist You said "name one", I did so. All fourteen of the Founding Fathers I named (which you referred to as "rich white men") were actively involved in organizations similar to that of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society. Are you asking me to name all of those societies, or did you want me to "name one"? Some consistency would help our discussion.
jnjnelson 8 months ago
@jnjnelson George Washington owned more than 200 slaves,Thomas Jefferson owned more than 100 slaves,James Madison owned and sold slaves all his life, James Monroe owned 30-40 slaves,Andrew, Jackson owned about 160 slaves, Martin Van Buren owned at least one slave, William Henry Harrison had several slaves John Tyler had slaves James K. Polk had 15 slaves, Zachary Taylor owned more than 100 slaves, Andrew Johnson owned 8 slaves, Ulysses S. Grant freed his slaves.
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@Fiercefist All the men you list owned slaves at one point in their lives. Does it then logically follow that any actions they made to end slavery or fight against slavery later in their lives are null and void? Is it your position that anyone who owned slaves at that period of time are evil and not worthy of any honor, in spite of any other accomplishments? Does ownership of slaves at any point in one's life condemn one to eternal damnation dictated by the judgement of almighty Fiercefist?
jnjnelson 8 months ago
@jnjnelson I can't judge anyone, but I know hypocrites when I hear and see them. that means that when the Constitution was written it didn't include everyone. It means that not all of the founding fathers were for slavery, but most of them didn't do anything to stop it either, which made them just as guilty. And lastly, yes if you "READ" history on slavery, you'll see how cruel and inhumane it was.
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@jnjnelson So inherently, if a president for example Thomas Jefferson while alive, pulls his slaves teeth, another human being to use as dentures and then fathers children by his slaves, although he was married. And George Washington who too had fathered kids by his slaves and who didn't actually believe in God, but saw him as a deity.. Well you make that judgement for yourself.
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@jnjnelson Of the first five presidents, four owned slaves. All four of these owned slaves while they were president. Of the next five presidents (#6-10), four owned slaves. Only two of them owned slaves while they were president. Of the next five presidents (#11-15), two owned slaves. Both of these two owned slaves while they were president. Of the next three presidents (#16-18) two owned slaves. neither of them owned slaves while serving as president.
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@jnjnelson If you know history, which I'm sure you know a little bit. Since I have to dumb it down, Frederick Douglass I mentioned because he represents those who actually "FOUGHT and ORGANIZED" against slavery. Not the founding fathers as mentioned. Two, reconstruction failed because the north made a deal with the south, thus rich white men making deals leaving out the freedmen. Three, the Trail of Tears represents how Indians were displaced by the "rich white man."
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@jnjnelson To conclude, if you want to talk about the Smurfs, I never watched the movie. But the cereal was better than the cartoon." The point is, non of these dudes worked tirelessly to free anybody. All were created equal, but most of them had slaves, and suppressed women. Poppa Smurf didn't run his village like that. Maybe since they were all purple they knew they were created equal..
Fiercefist 8 months ago
@Fiercefist I have to interject that Poppa Smurf was no bastion of equality. Only one female, and she didn't even have a name, just a designation - Smurfette. And she was nothing but the worst sort of female stereotypes. Blech! ....As you were.
moach 8 months ago
@jnjnelson Go watch the video of her speech. It's online. She says the founding fathers worked tirelessly until slavery was done away with. That simply isn't true, whether they were anti-slavery or not.
richardtheconquerer 8 months ago
@richardtheconquerer Thank you for referring me to the original video - I had not seen it. It appears my definition of "Founding Father" is not the same as Ms. Bachmann's. However, I know many people that share her definition, and I see that definition as a valid point of view. My comments were in the context of this video, and the Mr. Stephanopoulos's questions are just as ignorant as Ms. Bachmann's statements.
jnjnelson 8 months ago
@jnjnelson I've got no problem with saying both of them were wrong. Both are dopes, imo.
richardtheconquerer 8 months ago
@jnjnelson Yeah, deceptive! Whenever a conservative is wrong, it's because they were deceived! Dumbfuck.
SmallpoxRot 8 months ago
Battle of Lexington in New Hampshire? John Quincy Adams one of the founding fathers? at the age of 9?
If we reform the education system the way as she wants, this will be what we get!!!
micromass2009 8 months ago 2
What an ignorant cunt. ….”constitution has given us the bases of freedom unparallel to any other country in the world”. Like Europe and the rest of the western world has less freedom than the US. She can’t even answer a simple question.
steenfraosterbro 8 months ago