Now I don't think it has anything to do with arrogance or ego to conclude that something is legitimate or illegitimate. If someone doesn't believe that the bible is a book that they want to believe in than I think that's great and if some people want to believe in it than that's great too. I believe that as long as people don't get hurt from it and the individual get's satisfaction out of it than that should be okay. As long as we accept that others may feel differently
I think most of the atheist verses religion war is because people who do not believe in the supernatural are tired of being demonized and persecuted for their lack of belief. For once I would like the far-right Christians to stop defiling science and nature forums with their dogma and trying to tie atheist to every bad thing that happens.
Also, there are religions that have no Gods. See Buddhism, at least the early form of it (Theravada).
a deist just doesn't believe in divine intervention, but still is a monotheistic religion. So if your talkin about the comment below you, dont really think your right. If I am correct he means their is no afterlife which goes against all monotheistic religions.
There is no god...sorry people. This is not the 10th century anymore. We know there is something beyond this planet, that our world is not the only one. That there is an existence beyond what is visible. but when you are laying on your death bed looking at the hospital's ceiling knowing as a religious person that it is not the end of the end, just....be prepared to be disappointed. When you close your eyes for the last time in your lives, it will be your last. Scary i know, but it's the truth.
@CoDfanatic87 i feel sorry for you atheist really i do. how can u not believe in the bible the has the most true facts about life i mean come do you really believe the facts that darwin says think about the bible and evolution
its says the theory of evolution and on the bible it says the holy bible not the theory of the holy bible i state my facts
@marcus85x Don't feel bad for me! I am studying a variety of religions and i invite you to do the same! You believe in the bible because you most likely were taught that as a child! Have you ever read the Qur'an or the torah or smruti or the toa-ti ching? I have yet to do so myself and i realized that! so again, i invite you to do the same as i was once ignorant of religion and i am aiming to correct that!
@fonzy541 actually most all the time i look up the word by my self .and most people aren't taught about religion as a child but they still come forward too religion and mainly with out god this world would be in chaos
@marcus85x I think that is a Fair assumption. However, only about 0.1% of the people in jail say they are atheist. That is not proportional to the amount of atheist in this country. So, I personally don't believe there would be chaos.
@gattler idk what that is and im nothing i dont care about any religion or dont believe it its obviously fake u dont have to believe me but im just saying
May I ask a question? I myself am an atheist, but there are some things that science can not yet explain, so I try to remain open minded towards these topic, like metaphysics. You said you had been an atheist for thirty years; that's a long time. ;) What examples of synchronicity did you experience that persuaded you to change your beliefs?
I agree with you, if you are atheist, you should be looking for answers not considering you have the answers. I am "atheist" and is trying to figure out the answers still, i do not proclaim there is a god but i don't neglect the fact there could be. The entire aspect of religion seem too cultism for me to agree with rather i would enjoy knowing there is a god because being an antsiest is not easy considering all that you have to accept. Death is among the hardest.
@Jayzafoo Before you were born it wasn't so bad, so why would it be bad afterwards? Remember, you are an amoeba in the infinite sea of everthing and are unimaginably lucky to exist. Cherish the time you have and just think, an end to everything makes the journey all the more worth living to the fullest.
@Jayzafoo Because people " need" to believe there's a hereafter based on a personal belief, doctrine they read or a magical moment in their life does not make it true. However, the NEED to believe it (Whatever it is) cannot be stopped. By the same token, a person can CHANGE or revamp their beliefs to fit their "new being". Happens all the time, but does it make it TRUE or real ? It's more about feeling GOOD. Typical behavior that we all share, but we back it our tribal nature. lol
archeology got a big part in science like if u watch the show ancient aliens u can see sites that no 1 can explane or even know how they made these like pacals sarcophagus he died in th 7th century in myan city of palenque his sarcophagus is proof that he seen aliens on the sarcophagus is incredable art work of pacal an he is in a ufo with oxygen tubes out of his mouth an his foot on a gas peddal an pacals died around the year 600 thats proof not stories from a book go to ancient aliens 4 proof
religion you are suppose to take parts of because the paranormal is true, there might a god, but these books are all created by man. Every man is corrupt, have sinned, and has thought of a lustful situation. but you know why? because we are animals. We evolved that way. There is a god. but all he did was start everything. Dont follow what a man wrote on a book. Just know your stuff and live your life like how you should be. if you worry about afterlife so much, well, you arent living
Religion vs. Atheism is just another manifestation of relative dualism in this material dimension. Neither one can prove their side because the Truth of Being transcends opposite polarities such as this.
Religion and theism are not the same thing. For anyone to have one or more religious beliefs does NOT necessarily mean for that person to have the particular religious belief of there being any god(s). Therefore, even it is rightly to be considered that there is theism vs atheism, that does not mean it is not a fallacy that there also is religion vs atheism.
@MENCADO---How about agnosticism? My semantical interpretation of agnosticism is that it does not pretend or assume to know either way that which is unknowable by human mind and concept.
we all live in a bubble where our minds are guided by flawed information in most cases our fisrt lesson as kids is to believe in Santa and the easter bunny and all kinds of ficticiuos characters and crazy scenerios which molds us to believe the impossible more than the probable add to this the belief that ancient wisdom and traditions are ideas that should not be improved on. Ask your self what kind of Government we would have if our forefathers knew what we know.
As I have been given to understand the matter, religion is not theism and theism is not religion; Theism is instead only a subset of religion. According to that, while being a theist DOES necessarily mean having a religious belief (that belief, in particular, being the belief of there being a god or gods) being religious does NOT necessarily mean having that particular religious belief of there being any god(s).
@MENCADO I get your point about being undecided, and the technicalities are not important. Rather, what is important is either you accept god claims or you don't. Atheism is not so much a belief there is no gods, but rather a rejection of the god claim. I don't know if there's a god, I'm open to the possibility as with all things, but no evidence, so I reject the claim. If I'm not sure, I reject the claim. If I'm undecided, I reject the claim.
You stated, "...what is important is either you accept god claims or you don't."
You also stated, "I'm open to the possibility ...".
BUT, you also stated, "...so I reject the claim."
Not accepting a claim is one thing, but rejecting a claim is something different. While doing the latter DOES necessarily also entail doing the former, doing the former does NOT necessarily also entail doing the latter.
Rejecting any claim is not rightly called being open to the possibility of the claim being correct. It is instead NEITHER accepting nor rejecting the claim that is being open to possibility.
It is one thing for you to claim there to be "no evidence", and it is another for you to instead identify there as not being any evidence of which you are aware. No evidence of which you are aware is not logically to be presumed to ALSO indicate there not even being any evidence of which you just happen to have no awareness. What is not evident to you may - in fact - be evident to one or more other individuals.
Psalm 14:1The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
Hosea 4:My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
You people speak about the cruelty of God, did you forget to read about HIM BEING JUST? GOD IS LOVE, ever read that1? ready for yourself!
It is not a false dichotomy between belief in god and atheism (rejection of claim). Your answer to mystical experiences you couldn't explain was "maybe there is mystical stuff in the universe", where as my reaction is "maybe there's something I don't know here, let me explore the facts and evidence." One of these choices leads to more knowledge.
@tekproxy How do you not know that he is not further exploring synchronicity? But how would he explore synchronicity through facts and evidence? Maybe he is exploring it through his experiances. Humor me. What if there is a world behind the world. God and spitituality and synchronicity are all connected but obviously can't be explored with physical proof. What if that was the 100% truth. Atheists would never believe it and never even come close to believing it because the methods were all wrong.
@F012TYF0U12 It's true he could be exploring things, yes. Though, generally the invocation of mystical reasons is the end of inquiry. I can't be sure though, you're right. If something cannot be explored through physical proof then they must necessarily by definition not interact with the physical world. In which case, the notion is a worthless one. I'm fairly sure this is not what you mean, so can you explain how something cannot be tested yet interacts with the physical world?
@tekproxy I have experianced extraordinary synchronicity as well. It's physical in a way, but you have no proof. Over the years it has occured far more often and far more specific. However, unlike this guy, i link the synchronicity to God. You wouldnt believe the emotional toll synchronicity takes on someone. Seemingly impossible coincidences happening again, and again, and again. To have your whole concept of reality come into question. Sometimes its incredible and sometimes its terrifying.
@F012TYF0U12 Interesting anecdotal account. Could you make your point more perspicuous? Proof is not scientific. I mentioned tests and evidences, and if it can't be tested or is not predictable than it's indistinguishable from random chance. How can something be real (ie interacts with physical world) yet not in any way quantifiable? My own accounts of synchronicity diminished in impressiveness in proportion to my knowledge of psychology and statistics, so I'm not inclined to giving it credence.
@F012TYF0U12 Simple. You live in the same universe as me. I can make observations as well as you can. It's much more likely that you are mistaken than there is some sort of huge, strange, mystical undercurrent moving things along in physical reality that is untestable, unmeasurable, non-physical yet still contributes energy in an intelligent way. What about the other points I made?
@tekproxy What you are trying to say is, "It's much more likely that you are mistaken than me." Atheists often let jealousy and ego get in the way of their, "quest for the truth."
@F012TYF0U12 I'm not jealous nor do I presume I am even smarter than you. I think of you as an equal, and it's easy because you haven't resorted to any sort of name calling or three word replies. Your claim of synchronicity indicating a divine being, however, is much more outlandish and is lacking in supporting evidence. It's ok and even somewhat understandable if you believe, but you should not respect or expect anyone _else_ who believes in something without good evidence such as this.
@tekproxy My point. Is that atheists often claim Christians are closed minded. I won't argue that point that some are, but I feel as if a greater majority of atheists are closed minded. Tell me again what being "open minded," truly means. Pick my answer or your closed minded? How many atheists do you know who seriously take to heart a miraculous story a religious person presents. How many atheists do you know have even tried to attend churches with an open mind? Have you even tried?
@F012TYF0U12 You bring up a good point. I see how that could easily come across when atheists get into discussions. Like many atheists, I was once a Christian. In fact, I was MOST hardcore. This is because it's an important question that I take seriously. The thing is, any discussion we have is likely to be one I have already thought about, examined the evidence for and found it lacking. I can't speak for everyone, but I'm open minded but not credulous. I'm skeptical, but not dogmatic.
@tekproxy "The thing is, any discussion we have is likely to be one I have already thought about."
Thats actually really funny you said that because I swear to God(no pun intended) I thought the exact same thing today. No joke, like 2 hours ago. I feel I hold my ground better than most Christians in a debate because any topic people bring up I have thought about it a 1000 times. We're just on two sides of the spectrum.
@F012TYF0U12 Comment size too small.. :D I'm open to anything, but the more amazing the claim, the better evidence required. God is an amazing claim, and at one time the prospect of no god was equally amazing. I looked for evidence. For months I read dozens of books, talked to others and thought about it. I have searched harder and more earnestly than anyone I know, so it's not for lack of trying. If you have any evidence, I genuinely would love to hear it. Since you're reasonable, you can PM me
You stated, "...atheists often claim Christians are closed minded. " But, it is actually only those particular atheists who do that who are atheists who do that.
In other words, have you only actually had - for instance - encounters with a relative few out of all atheists and yet come to have a feeling about the greater majority of atheists (including about all of those atheists whom you have not even had any encounters with), nonetheless?
@MENCADO I have encountered many atheists, agnostics, people of other religions, liberals, over the internet and in my hometown and in my school. It is a popular belief that Christians are closed minded. I am not saying that all people feel this way, but that is the current trend.
Many is not any actual amount. Even if you have encountered what seems to you to have been "many atheists" it may nevertheless be that - out of the whole number of atheists individuals in existence - you have actually only encountered relatively VERY FEW of all atheists.
So, for instance, if you have encountered even so seemingly many as 5 thousand atheists, but if there are - in actuality - 17 million atheists, then relative to that whole amount of atheists in existence, you (it could be argued) have not met very many atheists at all.
@MENCADO I understand the point you are trying to make, but it is irrelevant. As I have stated before I know not all atheists feel this way. What I am trying to say is that many arguments provided by Mr. Dawkins is aimed at insulting religious people's intelligence and it has snowballed into a common misconception that many believers around the world disregard science and put their faith in, "flying spaghetti monsters."
You claimed, "I understand the point that you are trying to make...".
You could - in fact - NOT understand, but instead only incorrectly believe that you do understand. It seeming to you as if you understand is not proof of whether you actually do so.
You claimed there to be , "...a common misconception that many believers around the world disregard science ...".
Do you actually know what is the precise number of believers who DO disregard science and what is the precise number of believers who do not do so? Maybe it is actually NOT a misconception that many believers do disregard science.
If you encountered only 15,000 Mormon individuals out of what might be a total number of 13, 900,000 Mormon individuals, then what could you rightly claim to know of what behaviors have been exhibited by any of those Mormon individuals whom you have not ever encountered? The answer is nothing.
Even if every Mormon whom you did meet all exhibited any same behavior(s) as each other, it would be prejudicial for you to presume any number of those Mormons whom you have NOT ever encountered has or have also exhibited the same behavior(s) as well.
@MENCADO You continue to dance around and avoid my point. Can you not give me a straight answer to any question I ask? I'll break it down to Yes or No. Can you not atleast agree with me that many of Richard Dawkins arguments against Believers, whether intentionally or not, discredit the faithful by attacking their intelligence? Yes or No.
You claimed that I, " ...continue to dance around and avoid my point..."
Identify what point it is that you accuse me of doing that in relation to, and present what - if any - actual proof you have of your having successfully expressed that point prior to your having provided that requested identification of it. That you may believe yourself to have successfully expressed some any point does not necessarily mean that you have not instead failed to express that point.
You asked, "Can you not atleast agree with me that many of Richard Dawkins arguments against Believers, whether intentionally or not, discredit the faithful by attacking their intelligence? Yes or No."
That anyone may demand that either only a yes or a no be given in response to any question does not mean that the actual answer to that question may not instead be something other than a yes or a no.
Since I have not heard nor have I read many of Richard Dawkins' arguments I cannot rightly claim to have knowledge as to whether the content of many of his arguments does or does not match the description you have applied to those many arguments.
@MENCADO You are playing the scientific angle too irrationaly. While debating with someone, you are obviously not going to have the exact statistic in every statement you make, but that does not mean you should completely disregard their point. I understand the point of evolution and I accept it. I did not ask for a complete analysis on every fossil linking Humans to ape like mammals. I suggest you look into many of Richard Dawkins debates and you will find the answer to my question is clear.
You stated, "While debating with someone, you are obviously not going to..."
While debating with anyone, you might make up a number of claims for which you have absolutely no proof whatsoever (and for which you also may not even have any evidence - such as statistics - in support of either), one or more of which may - in fact - be incorrect claims, and you may even do so while not knowing whether what you claim is correct or not.
@MENCADO Im not responding to you anymore. You are currently arguing about absolutely nothing. You have stated the same thing atleast six times. (No I did not count, Im so sorry.) Would you like me to go ahead and individually count how many times you've stated the same thing? I think i'll go donate food to the hungry now....oh wait. No I shouldn't. According to your logic I should individually count everyone whos hungry, so I know people are actually starving. I will not read nemore of ur posts
You claimed, "According to your logic I should individually count everyone whos hungry, so I know people are actually starving. "
Nonsense! It is not a correct statement that what you claim does match any logic of mine. By no logic of mine is it presumed that even if you were to know how many people are hungry that does mean you also would necessarily know how many of those hungry people were more than merely hungry, but were actually starving.
You claimed, "It is not a false dichotomy between belief in god and atheism (rejection of claim)."
Insofar as I am aware - the prefix 'a' means the state of being without, 'theos' means god, and 'ism' means belief. Together this would mean that the term 'atheism' literally means no more than, nothing less than, and nothing other than - 'without god belief'.
Not having a belief (aka. - lacking that belief) - while it does mean not presuming the belief to be correct - does NOT necessarily mean rejecting that the belief MAY be correct . So , it seems to me, it - therefore - also does not necessarily mean having the opposite belief.
In other words - rather than there being only two possible positions which may be had in regard to god belief - there are instead THREE such possible positions:
A.) Any person might believe there to be a god or gods.
B.) Any person might believe there to NOT be any god nor any gods.
OR,
C.) Any person might instead hold NEITHER of those beliefs, and might instead consider both (that there is or are a god or gods - or that there is instead not any god nor any gods) to equally be possible.
Because both the B and C positions describe individuals who lack having the belief of there being any god nor any gods those would both rightly be counted as being two subset groups of atheist individuals
@DBZstephawn cause christians n muslims think their better than every one... They assume their the "official people of gooooood!!!"and were once very violence. ex salem witch trails, inquisition, and etc. th
You are misinterpreting atheism, which only means you just don't believe in a god. Doesn't mean you deny spirituality or that you have an explanation for everything. You can be open...or not, there is no "atheism school" or stereotype. We all have different approaches to the absence of a god.
Also atheism doesn't mean a science fan. Some accept there are a few, or many, things we just cannot explain yet. That makes us imperfect and we can live with that. Don't mislead yourself or others.
@foroparapente All good points. However, one wonders how someone can not be a science fan and still know what science is. It's not boring shit from high school. It's a great achievement for our species--a tool, developed by great minds over centuries, for better getting at the truth. It's philosophical concepts and standards for evidence are often common-sensical and obviously practically useful in every day life, especially after being explained by a good philosophy of science course.
@tekproxy I am an atheist and a science fan. However the more you explore, the more you realize how far we are from a full understanding of our surroundings. There is so much we don't know that we are better off enjoying the search than the actual knowledge.
I have no idea how life started in this planet, and no idea what happened before or even during Planck's first interval of the big bang, however I want to find out as much as possible in my lifetime, not give in to some complacent myth
@thelostmachine "If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine - but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of the Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working."
Great. video, and teach others to think for themselves. The young are lucky to have the internet and youtube to be able to connect to people who THINK. I personally like to read the Deism d com site and believe it can be helpful.
An atheist is someone that does not believe in God, regardless of the method that you follow after this belief is arbitrary to the fact that you are atheist.
"An atheist and/or rational person doesn't call what is beyond his intelligence & knowledge a "god", he views it as a place to explore and learn; not worship or pray to."
@mechanicmike69Correct. You could have started your comment with:"A rational person..." as opposed to " An Atheist..."and it would still be true. Logic, Rationality, Reason and the Cognitive Capacity to distinguish reality from superstitious delusion is what separates the religious nut jobs from normally functioning people.They claim to love God ,(despite what he did to them lol) when really they're using it as a crutch to insulate them from reality they are to afraid and weak to accept.
@baddalbatross42 God, becomes a bookmark where their intelligence stops and their ignorance begins. There has got to be a way to stop the mindless legitimizing of ancient religious texts and the absurdities they contain. Islam didn't bring down the twin trade towers, blind faith did. Maybe passing a law against minors in churches/synagogues/mosques.... We have got to stop the brainwashing of youth.
@darius777ful "If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine - but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of the Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working."
- Frank Zappa
GROW UP. Come join the rest of us a step up further from the mud. Atheism is the truth. Religion does not and never has respected the truth, NEVER!
@darius777ful "is that what you wont to belive in nothing its up to u am not saying its bad" OK your spelling and English sucks, but you say it's (atheism) not bad. But then you turn right around and say :" led the wrong way "my frend." If it's not bad, how can it be the wrong way? You "my friend" are the one that has been brainwashed, for to believe in an invisible man in the sky is truly delusional and in fact even proof we evolved from a more primitive life form. Savages dancing to "god".
@mechanicmike69 idc am not the best at spelling but am a native babtised and its really best if you change the way you think when god comes down you will see trust me ill pray for u
@darius777ful So now you are threatening me with your invisible being, imaginary one I might add. Not only do you believe in him you even know what he wants. What proof do you have for your presumptions?
I was about to post on this topic, but you beat me. I am amazed how the same small minded people participate in organized religion and atheism. They both fall victim to trying explain the universe beyond current abilities of man.
Socrates would have torn them apart. NO religious zealot can explain the contradictions & holes in the holy books & NO atheist can explain where the matter came from that initiated the big bang (even giving them the benefit of the doubt with void/space already existing)
I don't know but many people here are too anal to me. Seems like many in western society who are atheist are caught up in being anal as possible or robotic as possible. Even Buddhist may not believe in a "God" per say but they don't walk around trying to debate with everybody or tell everybody why they are so logical and smarter than everyone one else. That puts a bad taste in my mouth honestly. I mean you are this and that honestly so what? What about just being a good person?
you either belive in god or you dont so how can one not get caught up its impossible not 2 hear the concepts of god or spiritualism or whatever so when you ask about it you only find testimony and there is no logical proof but there is evidence disproving parts of the testimony and there is studys about what a spiratul experiance is (god center brain studys) so using only logic i deter that its made up it was eazer beleving in santa atleast he left evidence
I am an atheist but I do totally agree with the outlook. However. I do feel that I need to clear up that the word "atheist" comes from the Greek root Atheos, meaning: without god. I don't think that everything can be answered by science but there are many things that never made sense before in the history of humanity that can now be explained. Being an atheist to me is just questioning everything. Even the answers that make sense.
It is not a false dichotomy. You are either a theist or not a theist (atheist). There is only one condition to being an atheist/theist. The belief in a deity. If you don't have the belief you are an atheist. If you have a belief you are a theist.
@MrSS58 being a psychopath with a warpred idealogy is akin to being atheist or religous; Hitler was a Catholic by the way (get your facts right). Regardless, warped (ie. sociopathic) beliefs lead to such behavior.You know, manifest destiny in the new world that led to the near genicide of many native groups, the crusades, the inquisition and 9/11. Ideologies drive mass lunatic behavior not the belief or lack thereof in a god.
@MrSS58 Hitler was a Catholic, he was most certainly not at atheist "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
-adolf hitler-
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. " -adolf hitler-
Seek the truth. It is not always pretty but it is the best. Humans don't naturally like the truth that is why we lie. Seek the truth even if it hurts or destroys what you think you know.
What is with the white towel you are wearing? You are a little too close to the camera for comfort. Are you looking for a homo kiss? Dude, I had to stop this vid after 10 seconds. Grow some balls and put the camera down.
Not too sure why you jumped to the conclusion that God exists merely because something happened to you that you couldn't explain. As a theist, I find this absolutely absurd.
The only people who assume that atheism and religion are mutually exclusive are ignorant. There are atheistic religions. Theism and atheism, however, are mutually exclusive. Not all atheists are the same. When I call myself an atheist, I mean it in the literal sense: I operate without a belief in god. That's it. I don't want religion gone, I'm not opposed to others believing in a god or gods -- I don't give a fuck. All I want are the same legal rights that everyone who does believe in a god has.
@EucharistOfHypnos Legal rights? How are your rights threatened? Yet you mock Christians with the word Eucharist in your nic? Hmm . . . Why didn't you use the word Jihad or Allah in your nic? Those who practice Christianity do not want to take your rights away. Those who practice Islam want to take your life away. Where are you living? Wake up.
@MrSS58 I cannot run for public office in my state because I do not believe in god, thanks to christians. Christians do not want me to be able to marry whomever I want. Christians are a leading force behind the abuse and murder of homosexuals. Christianity is not innocent.
I live in a predominantly Christian culture. To be clear: If I had to choose between being under the heel of Islam or Christianity, I'd choose Christianity. It's not nearly as violent or hateful.
@MrSS58 that categorically untrue. What if MrSS58 wanted to run for president, or for a seat in the legislature in the carolinas or tennessee (there are laws banning that)? What if he was homosexual? What if he is a she and was raped by a family member? What if he wanted to put a banner indicating that atheism was true? Would he not find staunch opposition from people who believe in your god?
@sera7ares- It's odd, too, that he said he was an atheist when this happened. I don't want to be judgemental but if someone doesn't believe in something, why would they use it as an explaination?
@sera7ares He didn't even explain what his experiances were. How could you automatically assume hes ignorant when you don't even know what happened to him?
@F012TYF0U12 sure, he didn't, but what he did say was that whatever he experienced was something he couldn't explain to himself...and this is simply NOT a good reason to believe in spirits and such.
@sera7ares He said it couldn't be explained but than he began to understand it was spiritually. How do you know that the synchronicity he talked about didn't point to spirituality? My point that I am trying to make is that atheists always say show me the proof show me the proof and when believers come along with a miraculous experiance they say they are lieing, they are crazy, or they just didn't understand it without ever listening to them.
@F012TYF0U12 Newsflash for you---miraculous experience would be a proof WHEN IT CAN BE DEMONSTRATED THAT IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. If you come up to me and say "I experienced this or that" - that claim is indistinguishable from any other claim that can be made...aliens, Jesus, fairies, spirits, ghosts, etc...until this "something" can be demonstrated, I can't take your word for it...anecdotal evidence is among the worst kinds of "evidence" out there.
@sera7ares False actually. Witnesses to a murder provide hard evidence against a murderer. Let me put it to you like this. If a person came screaming down the hall of a building and told you to call an ambulance because her father was having a heart attack. Would you look her in the eye and say, "No. You telling me your father having a heart attack is no evidence at all. I need to see the body before I make my decision to call an ambulance." Experiances are evidence for everything cept God.
@F012TYF0U12 Eye-witness testimony is among the weakest court arguments. Why? Because first, you may have a motive or bias against the accused...second, you may have made an honest mistake...it was dark, or foggy, or he was wearing a hat etc. etc. etc...third, if many witnesses disagree on what the guy looked like, it's obvious that the judge would dismiss these people's testimony (similar to how different people claim supernatural experiences that don't fit and are mutually exclusive)
@F012TYF0U12 And that's a horrible analogy...if somebody tells me they have a pet dog, I don't require evidence for that, because I generally know that people can have dogs, and/or the person telling me this has earned my trust in the past...however, if he tells me that he has a pet dragon, I don't care how much I trust this person on other issues, I will require proof and evidence of this.
@sera7ares Nah witness provide extremely strong cases. Anyway thats besides the point. The point is I don't see why atheists regard experiances as "no proof at all." Really? You dont even CONSIDER the possibility that they aren't crazy and they aren't lieing? There has been an atheist philospher who died and was revived claiming to see images closely related to many people who have had out of body experiances. It scared him so much he wasn't sure what he believed anymore.
@F012TYF0U12 It may be a proof for you, but how would you expect me to believe you? Would YOU believe if a Hindu was revived and he claimed he saw Krishna or Vishnu before they sent him back? See thats the point...you can believe anything you want, but when it comes down to it, you tell people who had other experiences, or no supernatural experiences at all, that they will go to hell if they dont believe your experience....hm, ok, well they could claim the same thing...would you convert???
@sera7ares There you go with common atheist assumptions. I do not believe other religious people will go to hell just because they dont believe in Christianity. Many Christians don't believe the Christian path is the only path. And I probably wouldn't believe that Hindu, but I certainly don't rule out the possibility. I've considered the possibility of reincarnation for those who weren't sinful in life, but didn't accompllish anything. God would appear to him in the form the Hindu believed.
@F012TYF0U12 Really?? Didn't Jesus say I'm the only way to heaven??? You think Jesus was wrong??? Hmm, at least we agree on 1 thing.
But listen, we're not talking possibilities, because ANYTHING is possible...literally ANYTHING, even if there is 1:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chance of happening, the possibility is still there. We're talking PROBABILITIES. I don't rule out that you may be right either, I just don't see any support other than your claim by itself. Same as the Hindu, Muslim etc.
@sera7ares How do you know Jesus didn't mean through him as in believing in my teachings is the only way to heaven. You don't see any support for religion besides my claim? If thats true, there is no reason to further this debate. You cannot be that blind unless you are choosing to not see.
@F012TYF0U12 No please, go ahead, make your case...and when I say there's no support for any religion, I mean that in a sense that every single claim or "proof" has been debunked, and come back to emotional appeal...go ahead, make a case that could change somebody's mind.
and if you think that Hindu's or Muslim's teachings are compatible with Christianity (aka anybody who believes in any God goes to heaven), then congratulations, you just found a way around the immorality of hell (in your mind)
@sera7ares Why are you asking me to prove God's existance to you. You are not going to see the proof until you open your eyes. For example, if you sat down tonight and prayed that God reveal himself to you and all of a sudden he appears right infront of you and says, "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come, the Almighty One." and than disappeared. You would come to some rationalization that you dosed off and dreamed it cuz u were thinking so hard on the topic.
@F012TYF0U12 God, if He's truly almighty and all knowing, would know what kind of proof is needed to convince me...therefore, if he cares about me and my soul, he should give me the evidence will be sufficient to convince my skeptical mind.
And on the other part, you're right-I would think that's from too much meditating, praying etc. And has God ever shown up right in front of you? Like not only in your mind, but was in the room??? Or talked to you, not in your head, but with an audible voice?
@sera7ares I stopped sharing my experiances with people a long time ago. Society denies the proof. "People see what I do, but they don't really see. They hear what I say, but they don't really hear, and they don't understand. For the hearts of these people are hardened, and their ears cannot hear, and they have closed their eyes."
@F012TYF0U12 lol I LOOOVE the hypocrisy...you expect other people to believe your experiences, and at the same time you don't believe alien abductees, other religious experiences, etc...and if you do, then you're an IDIOT! Sorry, it's kinda rude, but if you believe every claim just because somebody told you about it, then you're nothing better than that.
@sera7ares Why wouldn't I believe other peoples religious experiances? I would be a little mroe skeptical on alien abductees unless it was a person I personally knew. You talk as if I won't tell you because my experiances must be stupid. My brother used to be a skeptic of religion just like you. I told him of things that I saw and thigns that happened to me and he is now 100% among the faithful. The only difference between him and you is that I knew him pesonally and showed him.
@F012TYF0U12 BECAUSE IF YOU BELIEVED THEM YOU WOULD HAVE TO BELIEVE IN MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE THINGS...CONTRADICTING THINGS...right???
and PLEASE, just tell me about your experience, I want to know...stop saying "you just wouldn't get it", please tell what was the crucial experience in your conversion...
@sera7ares It is a private matter. I have never told anyone the total depth of my experiances. I've mentioned a decent amount to close friends and family, but as far as the whole story I've never told anyone. What would make you so special?
@F012TYF0U12 hmmm your Bible? 1st Peter 3:15, ever read that one??? Are you going to risk any soul burning in hell for all eternity just because you were too stubborn to offer your proof and justification??? Very selfish of you, gotta say...
@sera7ares Is it really that much of a surprise? You continue to attack me and everything I believe in. You shared with me earlier that you wouldn't believe in God even if he appeared in front of you. Why would I waste my time?
@F012TYF0U12 First of all, you responded to my comment. Second, assuming that one attacks you when he/she asks questions and points out fallacies in your worldview is something Christians do very very well as a way to avoid debates once they get too uncomfortable for them.
And third, no I didn't say that, I said that I might believe that, but surely God would know what type of evidence would be sufficient enough to convert me, correct???
@sera7ares You think I am trying to avoid a debate be refusing to give in to your demands?
"And on the other part, you're right-I would think that's from too much meditating, praying etc"
Humor me for a moment. Assume that God is real. Heaven...everything...real. He created mankind on Earth separate from Him. Why would he ever provide physical proof of his existance? It would defeat the entire purpose of the seperation. If he would give evidence, why seperate the kingdoms?
@F012TYF0U12 Lets say somebody pops right in front of you and tells you "I am Christian God, accept me and worship me"...how do you know this is not the devil tricking you in order to worship a "false idol", or Allah telling you to accept him by falsely presenting himself as your god...what possible evidence could he give you that he is God...he may perform some crazy miracles, but would that prove that he's almighty???
@F012TYF0U12 Special revelation combined with eternal punishment for finite crime should set up some red flags on your morality compass. How is this the least bit equitable? In addition, my mind has not been developed thus that, by having such low standards for evidence, I can accept any God claims. I don't do this just to blaspheme, as I'm only merely doing what I think is best--maximize true beliefs, minimize false ones. Yet I shall go to hell _forever_ for 20-70 years of thinking. Hmm.
@F012TYF0U12 If somebody told me to call the ambulance cause of heart attack, I will do it, because I know people may have strokes and stuff like that...
see we only demand proof and evidence for something that hasn't been proven...should we take EVERY claim to be true until is disproven??? If I said some nonsense like magical turtle carries the earth, but it is invisible and can be felt/seen etc. only by me, would you believe me until you can disprove this???
Great enlightenment at Deism dot com. Freedom to feel the natural God without the brainwashing.
TexasCatMom6760 1 week ago
Now I don't think it has anything to do with arrogance or ego to conclude that something is legitimate or illegitimate. If someone doesn't believe that the bible is a book that they want to believe in than I think that's great and if some people want to believe in it than that's great too. I believe that as long as people don't get hurt from it and the individual get's satisfaction out of it than that should be okay. As long as we accept that others may feel differently
pianoman8778 9 months ago
You should give us the story of the stuff that happened to you, that couldn't be explained.
MrMattgreider 9 months ago
God will let the Devil
destroy for all eternal
unrepentant unforgiven
and to four generations.
Trust God, In Christ.
Peace, love, Amen.
theetelll 9 months ago
A very well said moronic statement that the culture war is meaningless.
dreamspacelion 9 months ago
Atheism is the most logical path, gods are not real, but the unification church is doing a good getting people, to give up their gods.
KevZen2000 10 months ago
I think most of the atheist verses religion war is because people who do not believe in the supernatural are tired of being demonized and persecuted for their lack of belief. For once I would like the far-right Christians to stop defiling science and nature forums with their dogma and trying to tie atheist to every bad thing that happens.
Also, there are religions that have no Gods. See Buddhism, at least the early form of it (Theravada).
CourageHonorLoyalty 10 months ago 7
a deist just doesn't believe in divine intervention, but still is a monotheistic religion. So if your talkin about the comment below you, dont really think your right. If I am correct he means their is no afterlife which goes against all monotheistic religions.
666crazyperson666 10 months ago
that makes you a deist
dianambowman 10 months ago
There is no god...sorry people. This is not the 10th century anymore. We know there is something beyond this planet, that our world is not the only one. That there is an existence beyond what is visible. but when you are laying on your death bed looking at the hospital's ceiling knowing as a religious person that it is not the end of the end, just....be prepared to be disappointed. When you close your eyes for the last time in your lives, it will be your last. Scary i know, but it's the truth.
CoDfanatic87 10 months ago
@CoDfanatic87 i feel sorry for you atheist really i do. how can u not believe in the bible the has the most true facts about life i mean come do you really believe the facts that darwin says think about the bible and evolution
its says the theory of evolution and on the bible it says the holy bible not the theory of the holy bible i state my facts
marcus85x 10 months ago
@marcus85x Don't feel bad for me! I am studying a variety of religions and i invite you to do the same! You believe in the bible because you most likely were taught that as a child! Have you ever read the Qur'an or the torah or smruti or the toa-ti ching? I have yet to do so myself and i realized that! so again, i invite you to do the same as i was once ignorant of religion and i am aiming to correct that!
fonzy541 9 months ago
@fonzy541 actually most all the time i look up the word by my self .and most people aren't taught about religion as a child but they still come forward too religion and mainly with out god this world would be in chaos
marcus85x 9 months ago
@marcus85x I think that is a Fair assumption. However, only about 0.1% of the people in jail say they are atheist. That is not proportional to the amount of atheist in this country. So, I personally don't believe there would be chaos.
fonzy541 9 months ago
My 'dumb bullshit' alarm was going off the whole time.
TRAyres 10 months ago
/watch?v=NLDcutLndL4
ninjastick16 10 months ago
i dont believe in anything i just live my life w/e
Thesoulreplay 10 months ago
@Thesoulreplay so you are an nihilist?
gattler 10 months ago
@gattler idk what that is and im nothing i dont care about any religion or dont believe it its obviously fake u dont have to believe me but im just saying
Thesoulreplay 10 months ago
@Thesoulreplay lol thats well thats what it is, that is the meaning of the word nihilist.
like you said its no belief or anything its just the title of those kind of people, those who just don't care
gattler 10 months ago
May I ask a question? I myself am an atheist, but there are some things that science can not yet explain, so I try to remain open minded towards these topic, like metaphysics. You said you had been an atheist for thirty years; that's a long time. ;) What examples of synchronicity did you experience that persuaded you to change your beliefs?
RedSpadeTre7 10 months ago
I agree with you, if you are atheist, you should be looking for answers not considering you have the answers. I am "atheist" and is trying to figure out the answers still, i do not proclaim there is a god but i don't neglect the fact there could be. The entire aspect of religion seem too cultism for me to agree with rather i would enjoy knowing there is a god because being an antsiest is not easy considering all that you have to accept. Death is among the hardest.
Jayzafoo 10 months ago 3
@Jayzafoo Before you were born it wasn't so bad, so why would it be bad afterwards? Remember, you are an amoeba in the infinite sea of everthing and are unimaginably lucky to exist. Cherish the time you have and just think, an end to everything makes the journey all the more worth living to the fullest.
cwbyfan223 9 months ago
@Jayzafoo Because people " need" to believe there's a hereafter based on a personal belief, doctrine they read or a magical moment in their life does not make it true. However, the NEED to believe it (Whatever it is) cannot be stopped. By the same token, a person can CHANGE or revamp their beliefs to fit their "new being". Happens all the time, but does it make it TRUE or real ? It's more about feeling GOOD. Typical behavior that we all share, but we back it our tribal nature. lol
gblueslover2 9 months ago
archeology got a big part in science like if u watch the show ancient aliens u can see sites that no 1 can explane or even know how they made these like pacals sarcophagus he died in th 7th century in myan city of palenque his sarcophagus is proof that he seen aliens on the sarcophagus is incredable art work of pacal an he is in a ufo with oxygen tubes out of his mouth an his foot on a gas peddal an pacals died around the year 600 thats proof not stories from a book go to ancient aliens 4 proof
lisaluvsjon12 10 months ago
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homernukem 10 months ago
Uh what?@lisaluvsjon12
homernukem 10 months ago
Very well said.Thanks!
eatmycakeshow 10 months ago
@eatmycakeshow Thanks for your warm feedback :)
UnificationDotCom 10 months ago
religion you are suppose to take parts of because the paranormal is true, there might a god, but these books are all created by man. Every man is corrupt, have sinned, and has thought of a lustful situation. but you know why? because we are animals. We evolved that way. There is a god. but all he did was start everything. Dont follow what a man wrote on a book. Just know your stuff and live your life like how you should be. if you worry about afterlife so much, well, you arent living
bangbangshoodoo55 10 months ago 3
Religion vs. Atheism is just another manifestation of relative dualism in this material dimension. Neither one can prove their side because the Truth of Being transcends opposite polarities such as this.
dagoose109 10 months ago
@dagoose109
@dagoose109
Religion and theism are not the same thing. For anyone to have one or more religious beliefs does NOT necessarily mean for that person to have the particular religious belief of there being any god(s). Therefore, even it is rightly to be considered that there is theism vs atheism, that does not mean it is not a fallacy that there also is religion vs atheism.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@MENCADO---How about agnosticism? My semantical interpretation of agnosticism is that it does not pretend or assume to know either way that which is unknowable by human mind and concept.
dagoose109 10 months ago
we all live in a bubble where our minds are guided by flawed information in most cases our fisrt lesson as kids is to believe in Santa and the easter bunny and all kinds of ficticiuos characters and crazy scenerios which molds us to believe the impossible more than the probable add to this the belief that ancient wisdom and traditions are ideas that should not be improved on. Ask your self what kind of Government we would have if our forefathers knew what we know.
pana376 10 months ago
way to walk the line. problem is there is no line.
MrSocrates420 10 months ago
As I have been given to understand the matter, religion is not theism and theism is not religion; Theism is instead only a subset of religion. According to that, while being a theist DOES necessarily mean having a religious belief (that belief, in particular, being the belief of there being a god or gods) being religious does NOT necessarily mean having that particular religious belief of there being any god(s).
MENCADO 10 months ago
If that is so, then anyone could be either :
a.) both religious and a theist
b.) neither religious nor a theist
c.) a theist but not (otherwise) religious
or
d.) religious but NOT a theist
MENCADO 10 months ago
@MENCADO I get your point about being undecided, and the technicalities are not important. Rather, what is important is either you accept god claims or you don't. Atheism is not so much a belief there is no gods, but rather a rejection of the god claim. I don't know if there's a god, I'm open to the possibility as with all things, but no evidence, so I reject the claim. If I'm not sure, I reject the claim. If I'm undecided, I reject the claim.
tekproxy 10 months ago
@tekproxy
You stated, "...what is important is either you accept god claims or you don't."
You also stated, "I'm open to the possibility ...".
BUT, you also stated, "...so I reject the claim."
Not accepting a claim is one thing, but rejecting a claim is something different. While doing the latter DOES necessarily also entail doing the former, doing the former does NOT necessarily also entail doing the latter.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@tekproxy
Consider it this way - anyone could either :
A.) accept the claim
B.) (both not accept and) reject the claim
or
C.) neither accept nor reject the claim
Rejecting any claim is not rightly called being open to the possibility of the claim being correct. It is instead NEITHER accepting nor rejecting the claim that is being open to possibility.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@tekproxy
Re. , "no evidence, so I reject the claim." -
It is one thing for you to claim there to be "no evidence", and it is another for you to instead identify there as not being any evidence of which you are aware. No evidence of which you are aware is not logically to be presumed to ALSO indicate there not even being any evidence of which you just happen to have no awareness. What is not evident to you may - in fact - be evident to one or more other individuals.
MENCADO 10 months ago
Psalm 14:1The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
Hosea 4:My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
You people speak about the cruelty of God, did you forget to read about HIM BEING JUST? GOD IS LOVE, ever read that1? ready for yourself!
detroitthebaptist 10 months ago
It is not a false dichotomy between belief in god and atheism (rejection of claim). Your answer to mystical experiences you couldn't explain was "maybe there is mystical stuff in the universe", where as my reaction is "maybe there's something I don't know here, let me explore the facts and evidence." One of these choices leads to more knowledge.
tekproxy 11 months ago
@tekproxy How do you not know that he is not further exploring synchronicity? But how would he explore synchronicity through facts and evidence? Maybe he is exploring it through his experiances. Humor me. What if there is a world behind the world. God and spitituality and synchronicity are all connected but obviously can't be explored with physical proof. What if that was the 100% truth. Atheists would never believe it and never even come close to believing it because the methods were all wrong.
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 It's true he could be exploring things, yes. Though, generally the invocation of mystical reasons is the end of inquiry. I can't be sure though, you're right. If something cannot be explored through physical proof then they must necessarily by definition not interact with the physical world. In which case, the notion is a worthless one. I'm fairly sure this is not what you mean, so can you explain how something cannot be tested yet interacts with the physical world?
tekproxy 11 months ago
@tekproxy I have experianced extraordinary synchronicity as well. It's physical in a way, but you have no proof. Over the years it has occured far more often and far more specific. However, unlike this guy, i link the synchronicity to God. You wouldnt believe the emotional toll synchronicity takes on someone. Seemingly impossible coincidences happening again, and again, and again. To have your whole concept of reality come into question. Sometimes its incredible and sometimes its terrifying.
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 Interesting anecdotal account. Could you make your point more perspicuous? Proof is not scientific. I mentioned tests and evidences, and if it can't be tested or is not predictable than it's indistinguishable from random chance. How can something be real (ie interacts with physical world) yet not in any way quantifiable? My own accounts of synchronicity diminished in impressiveness in proportion to my knowledge of psychology and statistics, so I'm not inclined to giving it credence.
tekproxy 11 months ago
@tekproxy You don't even know me. How can you presume to know it is random chance.
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 Simple. You live in the same universe as me. I can make observations as well as you can. It's much more likely that you are mistaken than there is some sort of huge, strange, mystical undercurrent moving things along in physical reality that is untestable, unmeasurable, non-physical yet still contributes energy in an intelligent way. What about the other points I made?
tekproxy 11 months ago
@tekproxy What you are trying to say is, "It's much more likely that you are mistaken than me." Atheists often let jealousy and ego get in the way of their, "quest for the truth."
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 I'm not jealous nor do I presume I am even smarter than you. I think of you as an equal, and it's easy because you haven't resorted to any sort of name calling or three word replies. Your claim of synchronicity indicating a divine being, however, is much more outlandish and is lacking in supporting evidence. It's ok and even somewhat understandable if you believe, but you should not respect or expect anyone _else_ who believes in something without good evidence such as this.
tekproxy 11 months ago
@tekproxy My point. Is that atheists often claim Christians are closed minded. I won't argue that point that some are, but I feel as if a greater majority of atheists are closed minded. Tell me again what being "open minded," truly means. Pick my answer or your closed minded? How many atheists do you know who seriously take to heart a miraculous story a religious person presents. How many atheists do you know have even tried to attend churches with an open mind? Have you even tried?
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 You bring up a good point. I see how that could easily come across when atheists get into discussions. Like many atheists, I was once a Christian. In fact, I was MOST hardcore. This is because it's an important question that I take seriously. The thing is, any discussion we have is likely to be one I have already thought about, examined the evidence for and found it lacking. I can't speak for everyone, but I'm open minded but not credulous. I'm skeptical, but not dogmatic.
tekproxy 11 months ago
@tekproxy "The thing is, any discussion we have is likely to be one I have already thought about."
Thats actually really funny you said that because I swear to God(no pun intended) I thought the exact same thing today. No joke, like 2 hours ago. I feel I hold my ground better than most Christians in a debate because any topic people bring up I have thought about it a 1000 times. We're just on two sides of the spectrum.
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 Comment size too small.. :D I'm open to anything, but the more amazing the claim, the better evidence required. God is an amazing claim, and at one time the prospect of no god was equally amazing. I looked for evidence. For months I read dozens of books, talked to others and thought about it. I have searched harder and more earnestly than anyone I know, so it's not for lack of trying. If you have any evidence, I genuinely would love to hear it. Since you're reasonable, you can PM me
tekproxy 11 months ago
I hope you'll pardon the interruption.
You stated, "...atheists often claim Christians are closed minded. " But, it is actually only those particular atheists who do that who are atheists who do that.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
Which of the following do you feel that based your personally having had encounters with:
a.) no number of atheists
b.) only an atheist
c.) only a relative few out of all atheists
d.) the greater majority of atheists
or
e.) every atheist
MENCADO 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
In other words, have you only actually had - for instance - encounters with a relative few out of all atheists and yet come to have a feeling about the greater majority of atheists (including about all of those atheists whom you have not even had any encounters with), nonetheless?
MENCADO 10 months ago
@MENCADO I have encountered many atheists, agnostics, people of other religions, liberals, over the internet and in my hometown and in my school. It is a popular belief that Christians are closed minded. I am not saying that all people feel this way, but that is the current trend.
F012TYF0U12 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
You stated, "I have encountered many atheists..."
Many is not any actual amount. Even if you have encountered what seems to you to have been "many atheists" it may nevertheless be that - out of the whole number of atheists individuals in existence - you have actually only encountered relatively VERY FEW of all atheists.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
So, for instance, if you have encountered even so seemingly many as 5 thousand atheists, but if there are - in actuality - 17 million atheists, then relative to that whole amount of atheists in existence, you (it could be argued) have not met very many atheists at all.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@MENCADO I understand the point you are trying to make, but it is irrelevant. As I have stated before I know not all atheists feel this way. What I am trying to say is that many arguments provided by Mr. Dawkins is aimed at insulting religious people's intelligence and it has snowballed into a common misconception that many believers around the world disregard science and put their faith in, "flying spaghetti monsters."
F012TYF0U12 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
You claimed, "I understand the point that you are trying to make...".
You could - in fact - NOT understand, but instead only incorrectly believe that you do understand. It seeming to you as if you understand is not proof of whether you actually do so.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
"...but it is irrelevant ."
That you might not perceive of there being any relevance in any point is not necessarily indicative of there not being any relevance in that point.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
You claimed there to be , "...a common misconception that many believers around the world disregard science ...".
Do you actually know what is the precise number of believers who DO disregard science and what is the precise number of believers who do not do so? Maybe it is actually NOT a misconception that many believers do disregard science.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
If you encountered only 15,000 Mormon individuals out of what might be a total number of 13, 900,000 Mormon individuals, then what could you rightly claim to know of what behaviors have been exhibited by any of those Mormon individuals whom you have not ever encountered? The answer is nothing.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
Even if every Mormon whom you did meet all exhibited any same behavior(s) as each other, it would be prejudicial for you to presume any number of those Mormons whom you have NOT ever encountered has or have also exhibited the same behavior(s) as well.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@MENCADO You continue to dance around and avoid my point. Can you not give me a straight answer to any question I ask? I'll break it down to Yes or No. Can you not atleast agree with me that many of Richard Dawkins arguments against Believers, whether intentionally or not, discredit the faithful by attacking their intelligence? Yes or No.
F012TYF0U12 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
You claimed that I, " ...continue to dance around and avoid my point..."
Identify what point it is that you accuse me of doing that in relation to, and present what - if any - actual proof you have of your having successfully expressed that point prior to your having provided that requested identification of it. That you may believe yourself to have successfully expressed some any point does not necessarily mean that you have not instead failed to express that point.
MENCADO 10 months ago
You asked, "Can you not atleast agree with me that many of Richard Dawkins arguments against Believers, whether intentionally or not, discredit the faithful by attacking their intelligence? Yes or No."
That anyone may demand that either only a yes or a no be given in response to any question does not mean that the actual answer to that question may not instead be something other than a yes or a no.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
Since I have not heard nor have I read many of Richard Dawkins' arguments I cannot rightly claim to have knowledge as to whether the content of many of his arguments does or does not match the description you have applied to those many arguments.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@MENCADO You are playing the scientific angle too irrationaly. While debating with someone, you are obviously not going to have the exact statistic in every statement you make, but that does not mean you should completely disregard their point. I understand the point of evolution and I accept it. I did not ask for a complete analysis on every fossil linking Humans to ape like mammals. I suggest you look into many of Richard Dawkins debates and you will find the answer to my question is clear.
F012TYF0U12 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
You claimed, "You are playing the scientific angle too irrationaly."
Present what - if any - proof you have of that claim of yours not being an incorrect.
What may seem to you to be irrational may - nevertheless - be completely rational.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
You stated, "While debating with someone, you are obviously not going to..."
While debating with anyone, you might make up a number of claims for which you have absolutely no proof whatsoever (and for which you also may not even have any evidence - such as statistics - in support of either), one or more of which may - in fact - be incorrect claims, and you may even do so while not knowing whether what you claim is correct or not.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@MENCADO Im not responding to you anymore. You are currently arguing about absolutely nothing. You have stated the same thing atleast six times. (No I did not count, Im so sorry.) Would you like me to go ahead and individually count how many times you've stated the same thing? I think i'll go donate food to the hungry now....oh wait. No I shouldn't. According to your logic I should individually count everyone whos hungry, so I know people are actually starving. I will not read nemore of ur posts
F012TYF0U12 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12
You claimed, "According to your logic I should individually count everyone whos hungry, so I know people are actually starving. "
Nonsense! It is not a correct statement that what you claim does match any logic of mine. By no logic of mine is it presumed that even if you were to know how many people are hungry that does mean you also would necessarily know how many of those hungry people were more than merely hungry, but were actually starving.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@tekproxy
You claimed, "It is not a false dichotomy between belief in god and atheism (rejection of claim)."
Insofar as I am aware - the prefix 'a' means the state of being without, 'theos' means god, and 'ism' means belief. Together this would mean that the term 'atheism' literally means no more than, nothing less than, and nothing other than - 'without god belief'.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@tekproxy
Not having a belief (aka. - lacking that belief) - while it does mean not presuming the belief to be correct - does NOT necessarily mean rejecting that the belief MAY be correct . So , it seems to me, it - therefore - also does not necessarily mean having the opposite belief.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@tekproxy
In other words - rather than there being only two possible positions which may be had in regard to god belief - there are instead THREE such possible positions:
MENCADO 10 months ago
@tekproxy
A.) Any person might believe there to be a god or gods.
B.) Any person might believe there to NOT be any god nor any gods.
OR,
C.) Any person might instead hold NEITHER of those beliefs, and might instead consider both (that there is or are a god or gods - or that there is instead not any god nor any gods) to equally be possible.
MENCADO 10 months ago
@tekproxy
Because both the B and C positions describe individuals who lack having the belief of there being any god nor any gods those would both rightly be counted as being two subset groups of atheist individuals
MENCADO 10 months ago
@tekproxy
There being three - rather than only two - possible positions would mean that the idea of there being only a dichotomy of possibilities is false.
MENCADO 10 months ago
one either bows down to a Higher Power or they do not- there is no in-between
God bless
Helptheherd 11 months ago
@DBZstephawn cause christians n muslims think their better than every one... They assume their the "official people of gooooood!!!"and were once very violence. ex salem witch trails, inquisition, and etc. th
DBZass 11 months ago
You are misinterpreting atheism, which only means you just don't believe in a god. Doesn't mean you deny spirituality or that you have an explanation for everything. You can be open...or not, there is no "atheism school" or stereotype. We all have different approaches to the absence of a god.
Also atheism doesn't mean a science fan. Some accept there are a few, or many, things we just cannot explain yet. That makes us imperfect and we can live with that. Don't mislead yourself or others.
foroparapente 11 months ago
@foroparapente All good points. However, one wonders how someone can not be a science fan and still know what science is. It's not boring shit from high school. It's a great achievement for our species--a tool, developed by great minds over centuries, for better getting at the truth. It's philosophical concepts and standards for evidence are often common-sensical and obviously practically useful in every day life, especially after being explained by a good philosophy of science course.
tekproxy 11 months ago
@tekproxy I am an atheist and a science fan. However the more you explore, the more you realize how far we are from a full understanding of our surroundings. There is so much we don't know that we are better off enjoying the search than the actual knowledge.
I have no idea how life started in this planet, and no idea what happened before or even during Planck's first interval of the big bang, however I want to find out as much as possible in my lifetime, not give in to some complacent myth
foroparapente 11 months ago
@thelostmachine "If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine - but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of the Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working."
- Frank Zappa
mechanicmike69 1 year ago
Nice video man, I really like what you had to say about all the religion & their bullshit.
BadassCeino 1 year ago
Nice video man, I really like what you had to say about all the religion & ther bullshit.
BadassCeino 1 year ago
Great. video, and teach others to think for themselves. The young are lucky to have the internet and youtube to be able to connect to people who THINK. I personally like to read the Deism d com site and believe it can be helpful.
Circle4Success 1 year ago
This guy is a total sheep. Hes wants to believe in God. Just go ahead and convert and stop pretending your just a spiritual atheist.
saintpatricksmilitia 1 year ago
This man promotes a physic scam site. Beware and be skeptical of his tactics.
ShutUpChannel 1 year ago
When someone says something that finally makes some sense people will still disagree. Because people are like that.
ahauntedhistory 1 year ago
An atheist is someone that does not believe in God, regardless of the method that you follow after this belief is arbitrary to the fact that you are atheist.
littarsulum 1 year ago
"An atheist doesn't call what is beyond his intelligence & knowledge a "god", he views it as a place to explore and learn; not worship or pray to."
mechanicmike69 1 year ago 16
@mechanicmike69 Correct. You could have started your comment with: "A rational person...." as opposed to Atheist, and it would still be true.
baddalbatross42 1 year ago
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@baddalbatross42 Excellent positive criticism. How about:
"An atheist and/or rational person doesn't call what is beyond his intelligence & knowledge a "god", he views it as a place to explore and learn; not worship or pray to."
?
mechanicmike69 1 year ago
@mechanicmike69Correct. You could have started your comment with:"A rational person..." as opposed to " An Atheist..."and it would still be true. Logic, Rationality, Reason and the Cognitive Capacity to distinguish reality from superstitious delusion is what separates the religious nut jobs from normally functioning people.They claim to love God ,(despite what he did to them lol) when really they're using it as a crutch to insulate them from reality they are to afraid and weak to accept.
baddalbatross42 1 year ago
@baddalbatross42 God, becomes a bookmark where their intelligence stops and their ignorance begins. There has got to be a way to stop the mindless legitimizing of ancient religious texts and the absurdities they contain. Islam didn't bring down the twin trade towers, blind faith did. Maybe passing a law against minors in churches/synagogues/mosques.... We have got to stop the brainwashing of youth.
mechanicmike69 1 year ago
so like pretty much agnostic? poor poor ppl who are athiest wish i coud help them belive in god.
darius777ful 1 year ago
@darius777ful "If you want to get together in any exclusive situation and have people love you, fine - but to hang all this desperate sociology on the idea of the Cloud-Guy who has The Big Book, who knows if you've been bad or good and CARES about any of it- to hang it all on that, folks, is the chimpanzee part of the brain working."
- Frank Zappa
GROW UP. Come join the rest of us a step up further from the mud. Atheism is the truth. Religion does not and never has respected the truth, NEVER!
mechanicmike69 1 year ago
@mechanicmike69 is that what you wont to belive in nothing its up to u am not saying its bad but your being led the wrong way my frend.
darius777ful 1 year ago
@darius777ful "is that what you wont to belive in nothing its up to u am not saying its bad" OK your spelling and English sucks, but you say it's (atheism) not bad. But then you turn right around and say :" led the wrong way "my frend." If it's not bad, how can it be the wrong way? You "my friend" are the one that has been brainwashed, for to believe in an invisible man in the sky is truly delusional and in fact even proof we evolved from a more primitive life form. Savages dancing to "god".
mechanicmike69 1 year ago
@mechanicmike69 idc am not the best at spelling but am a native babtised and its really best if you change the way you think when god comes down you will see trust me ill pray for u
darius777ful 1 year ago
@darius777ful So now you are threatening me with your invisible being, imaginary one I might add. Not only do you believe in him you even know what he wants. What proof do you have for your presumptions?
mechanicmike69 1 year ago
@mechanicmike69 are u the camper guy whos on that camp vid thing ?
darius777ful 1 year ago
I was about to post on this topic, but you beat me. I am amazed how the same small minded people participate in organized religion and atheism. They both fall victim to trying explain the universe beyond current abilities of man.
Socrates would have torn them apart. NO religious zealot can explain the contradictions & holes in the holy books & NO atheist can explain where the matter came from that initiated the big bang (even giving them the benefit of the doubt with void/space already existing)
brendanmcwilliams 1 year ago
I really like this video. Believe what you want, don't intrude on others personal ideals. That's all there is to it.
alphamania24 1 year ago
I don't know but many people here are too anal to me. Seems like many in western society who are atheist are caught up in being anal as possible or robotic as possible. Even Buddhist may not believe in a "God" per say but they don't walk around trying to debate with everybody or tell everybody why they are so logical and smarter than everyone one else. That puts a bad taste in my mouth honestly. I mean you are this and that honestly so what? What about just being a good person?
remmy7777 1 year ago
religion and the non-existent god, the funniest jokes in the world
InfidelsEndeavor 1 year ago 2
you either belive in god or you dont so how can one not get caught up its impossible not 2 hear the concepts of god or spiritualism or whatever so when you ask about it you only find testimony and there is no logical proof but there is evidence disproving parts of the testimony and there is studys about what a spiratul experiance is (god center brain studys) so using only logic i deter that its made up it was eazer beleving in santa atleast he left evidence
seanO90s 1 year ago
the title should be "Neither Atheism NOR Religion
drumguru44 1 year ago
I am an atheist but I do totally agree with the outlook. However. I do feel that I need to clear up that the word "atheist" comes from the Greek root Atheos, meaning: without god. I don't think that everything can be answered by science but there are many things that never made sense before in the history of humanity that can now be explained. Being an atheist to me is just questioning everything. Even the answers that make sense.
violentdosage 1 year ago
It is not a false dichotomy. You are either a theist or not a theist (atheist). There is only one condition to being an atheist/theist. The belief in a deity. If you don't have the belief you are an atheist. If you have a belief you are a theist.
Magusim 1 year ago
So what is with the white robe?
Hitler, Stalin, and Lennon were atheists, too.
MrSS58 1 year ago
@MrSS58 being a psychopath with a warpred idealogy is akin to being atheist or religous; Hitler was a Catholic by the way (get your facts right). Regardless, warped (ie. sociopathic) beliefs lead to such behavior.You know, manifest destiny in the new world that led to the near genicide of many native groups, the crusades, the inquisition and 9/11. Ideologies drive mass lunatic behavior not the belief or lack thereof in a god.
ccollymore 1 year ago
@MrSS58 Hitler was a Catholic, he was most certainly not at atheist "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
-adolf hitler-
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. " -adolf hitler-
keithzworld 1 year ago
Seek the truth. It is not always pretty but it is the best. Humans don't naturally like the truth that is why we lie. Seek the truth even if it hurts or destroys what you think you know.
guerrillasaint 1 year ago
Well why is there no point? What does he believe in?
Genesis826 1 year ago
What is with the white towel you are wearing? You are a little too close to the camera for comfort. Are you looking for a homo kiss? Dude, I had to stop this vid after 10 seconds. Grow some balls and put the camera down.
MrSS58 1 year ago
This video confuses me, i'm not sure if your saying there is a God but that you don't believe in an organized religion or what?
Genesis826 1 year ago
@Genesis826 I think hes saying that theres no point in arguing over religion/atheism
liberalmike1994 1 year ago
Not too sure why you jumped to the conclusion that God exists merely because something happened to you that you couldn't explain. As a theist, I find this absolutely absurd.
/watch?v=3_aIeggWTUQ
AveMariaFilms 1 year ago
The only people who assume that atheism and religion are mutually exclusive are ignorant. There are atheistic religions. Theism and atheism, however, are mutually exclusive. Not all atheists are the same. When I call myself an atheist, I mean it in the literal sense: I operate without a belief in god. That's it. I don't want religion gone, I'm not opposed to others believing in a god or gods -- I don't give a fuck. All I want are the same legal rights that everyone who does believe in a god has.
EucharistOfHypnos 1 year ago
@EucharistOfHypnos Legal rights? How are your rights threatened? Yet you mock Christians with the word Eucharist in your nic? Hmm . . . Why didn't you use the word Jihad or Allah in your nic? Those who practice Christianity do not want to take your rights away. Those who practice Islam want to take your life away. Where are you living? Wake up.
MrSS58 1 year ago
@MrSS58 I cannot run for public office in my state because I do not believe in god, thanks to christians. Christians do not want me to be able to marry whomever I want. Christians are a leading force behind the abuse and murder of homosexuals. Christianity is not innocent.
I live in a predominantly Christian culture. To be clear: If I had to choose between being under the heel of Islam or Christianity, I'd choose Christianity. It's not nearly as violent or hateful.
EucharistOfHypnos 1 year ago
@MrSS58 that categorically untrue. What if MrSS58 wanted to run for president, or for a seat in the legislature in the carolinas or tennessee (there are laws banning that)? What if he was homosexual? What if he is a she and was raped by a family member? What if he wanted to put a banner indicating that atheism was true? Would he not find staunch opposition from people who believe in your god?
ccollymore 1 year ago
so wait, you couldn't explain something so you jumped to the conclusion that spirituality exists??? wow...
sera7ares 1 year ago 18
@sera7ares- It's odd, too, that he said he was an atheist when this happened. I don't want to be judgemental but if someone doesn't believe in something, why would they use it as an explaination?
besidemymind 1 year ago
@sera7ares Have your way. Explain synchronicities.
dk215 1 year ago
@sera7ares He didn't even explain what his experiances were. How could you automatically assume hes ignorant when you don't even know what happened to him?
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 sure, he didn't, but what he did say was that whatever he experienced was something he couldn't explain to himself...and this is simply NOT a good reason to believe in spirits and such.
sera7ares 11 months ago
@sera7ares He said it couldn't be explained but than he began to understand it was spiritually. How do you know that the synchronicity he talked about didn't point to spirituality? My point that I am trying to make is that atheists always say show me the proof show me the proof and when believers come along with a miraculous experiance they say they are lieing, they are crazy, or they just didn't understand it without ever listening to them.
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 Newsflash for you---miraculous experience would be a proof WHEN IT CAN BE DEMONSTRATED THAT IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. If you come up to me and say "I experienced this or that" - that claim is indistinguishable from any other claim that can be made...aliens, Jesus, fairies, spirits, ghosts, etc...until this "something" can be demonstrated, I can't take your word for it...anecdotal evidence is among the worst kinds of "evidence" out there.
sera7ares 11 months ago
@sera7ares False actually. Witnesses to a murder provide hard evidence against a murderer. Let me put it to you like this. If a person came screaming down the hall of a building and told you to call an ambulance because her father was having a heart attack. Would you look her in the eye and say, "No. You telling me your father having a heart attack is no evidence at all. I need to see the body before I make my decision to call an ambulance." Experiances are evidence for everything cept God.
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 Eye-witness testimony is among the weakest court arguments. Why? Because first, you may have a motive or bias against the accused...second, you may have made an honest mistake...it was dark, or foggy, or he was wearing a hat etc. etc. etc...third, if many witnesses disagree on what the guy looked like, it's obvious that the judge would dismiss these people's testimony (similar to how different people claim supernatural experiences that don't fit and are mutually exclusive)
sera7ares 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 And that's a horrible analogy...if somebody tells me they have a pet dog, I don't require evidence for that, because I generally know that people can have dogs, and/or the person telling me this has earned my trust in the past...however, if he tells me that he has a pet dragon, I don't care how much I trust this person on other issues, I will require proof and evidence of this.
sera7ares 11 months ago
@sera7ares Nah witness provide extremely strong cases. Anyway thats besides the point. The point is I don't see why atheists regard experiances as "no proof at all." Really? You dont even CONSIDER the possibility that they aren't crazy and they aren't lieing? There has been an atheist philospher who died and was revived claiming to see images closely related to many people who have had out of body experiances. It scared him so much he wasn't sure what he believed anymore.
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 It may be a proof for you, but how would you expect me to believe you? Would YOU believe if a Hindu was revived and he claimed he saw Krishna or Vishnu before they sent him back? See thats the point...you can believe anything you want, but when it comes down to it, you tell people who had other experiences, or no supernatural experiences at all, that they will go to hell if they dont believe your experience....hm, ok, well they could claim the same thing...would you convert???
sera7ares 11 months ago
@sera7ares There you go with common atheist assumptions. I do not believe other religious people will go to hell just because they dont believe in Christianity. Many Christians don't believe the Christian path is the only path. And I probably wouldn't believe that Hindu, but I certainly don't rule out the possibility. I've considered the possibility of reincarnation for those who weren't sinful in life, but didn't accompllish anything. God would appear to him in the form the Hindu believed.
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 Really?? Didn't Jesus say I'm the only way to heaven??? You think Jesus was wrong??? Hmm, at least we agree on 1 thing.
But listen, we're not talking possibilities, because ANYTHING is possible...literally ANYTHING, even if there is 1:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chance of happening, the possibility is still there. We're talking PROBABILITIES. I don't rule out that you may be right either, I just don't see any support other than your claim by itself. Same as the Hindu, Muslim etc.
sera7ares 11 months ago
@sera7ares How do you know Jesus didn't mean through him as in believing in my teachings is the only way to heaven. You don't see any support for religion besides my claim? If thats true, there is no reason to further this debate. You cannot be that blind unless you are choosing to not see.
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 No please, go ahead, make your case...and when I say there's no support for any religion, I mean that in a sense that every single claim or "proof" has been debunked, and come back to emotional appeal...go ahead, make a case that could change somebody's mind.
and if you think that Hindu's or Muslim's teachings are compatible with Christianity (aka anybody who believes in any God goes to heaven), then congratulations, you just found a way around the immorality of hell (in your mind)
sera7ares 11 months ago
@sera7ares Why are you asking me to prove God's existance to you. You are not going to see the proof until you open your eyes. For example, if you sat down tonight and prayed that God reveal himself to you and all of a sudden he appears right infront of you and says, "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come, the Almighty One." and than disappeared. You would come to some rationalization that you dosed off and dreamed it cuz u were thinking so hard on the topic.
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 God, if He's truly almighty and all knowing, would know what kind of proof is needed to convince me...therefore, if he cares about me and my soul, he should give me the evidence will be sufficient to convince my skeptical mind.
And on the other part, you're right-I would think that's from too much meditating, praying etc. And has God ever shown up right in front of you? Like not only in your mind, but was in the room??? Or talked to you, not in your head, but with an audible voice?
sera7ares 11 months ago
@sera7ares I stopped sharing my experiances with people a long time ago. Society denies the proof. "People see what I do, but they don't really see. They hear what I say, but they don't really hear, and they don't understand. For the hearts of these people are hardened, and their ears cannot hear, and they have closed their eyes."
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 lol I LOOOVE the hypocrisy...you expect other people to believe your experiences, and at the same time you don't believe alien abductees, other religious experiences, etc...and if you do, then you're an IDIOT! Sorry, it's kinda rude, but if you believe every claim just because somebody told you about it, then you're nothing better than that.
sera7ares 11 months ago
@sera7ares Why wouldn't I believe other peoples religious experiances? I would be a little mroe skeptical on alien abductees unless it was a person I personally knew. You talk as if I won't tell you because my experiances must be stupid. My brother used to be a skeptic of religion just like you. I told him of things that I saw and thigns that happened to me and he is now 100% among the faithful. The only difference between him and you is that I knew him pesonally and showed him.
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 BECAUSE IF YOU BELIEVED THEM YOU WOULD HAVE TO BELIEVE IN MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE THINGS...CONTRADICTING THINGS...right???
and PLEASE, just tell me about your experience, I want to know...stop saying "you just wouldn't get it", please tell what was the crucial experience in your conversion...
sera7ares 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 no response once I asked what your proof/experience was??? okeeey then...
sera7ares 10 months ago
@sera7ares It is a private matter. I have never told anyone the total depth of my experiances. I've mentioned a decent amount to close friends and family, but as far as the whole story I've never told anyone. What would make you so special?
F012TYF0U12 10 months ago
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@F012TYF0U12 hmmm your Bible? 1st Peter 3:15, ever read that one??? Are you going to risk any soul burning in hell for all eternity just because you were too stubborn to offer your proof and justification??? Very selfish of you, gotta say...
sera7ares 10 months ago
@sera7ares Is it really that much of a surprise? You continue to attack me and everything I believe in. You shared with me earlier that you wouldn't believe in God even if he appeared in front of you. Why would I waste my time?
F012TYF0U12 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 First of all, you responded to my comment. Second, assuming that one attacks you when he/she asks questions and points out fallacies in your worldview is something Christians do very very well as a way to avoid debates once they get too uncomfortable for them.
And third, no I didn't say that, I said that I might believe that, but surely God would know what type of evidence would be sufficient enough to convert me, correct???
sera7ares 10 months ago
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@sera7ares You think I am trying to avoid a debate be refusing to give in to your demands?
"And on the other part, you're right-I would think that's from too much meditating, praying etc"
Humor me for a moment. Assume that God is real. Heaven...everything...real. He created mankind on Earth separate from Him. Why would he ever provide physical proof of his existance? It would defeat the entire purpose of the seperation. If he would give evidence, why seperate the kingdoms?
F012TYF0U12 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 Lets say somebody pops right in front of you and tells you "I am Christian God, accept me and worship me"...how do you know this is not the devil tricking you in order to worship a "false idol", or Allah telling you to accept him by falsely presenting himself as your god...what possible evidence could he give you that he is God...he may perform some crazy miracles, but would that prove that he's almighty???
sera7ares 10 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 or let me ask what are the top 3 reasons you are a Christian.
sera7ares 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 Special revelation combined with eternal punishment for finite crime should set up some red flags on your morality compass. How is this the least bit equitable? In addition, my mind has not been developed thus that, by having such low standards for evidence, I can accept any God claims. I don't do this just to blaspheme, as I'm only merely doing what I think is best--maximize true beliefs, minimize false ones. Yet I shall go to hell _forever_ for 20-70 years of thinking. Hmm.
tekproxy 11 months ago
@F012TYF0U12 If somebody told me to call the ambulance cause of heart attack, I will do it, because I know people may have strokes and stuff like that...
see we only demand proof and evidence for something that hasn't been proven...should we take EVERY claim to be true until is disproven??? If I said some nonsense like magical turtle carries the earth, but it is invisible and can be felt/seen etc. only by me, would you believe me until you can disprove this???
sera7ares 11 months ago
@sera7ares And you don't see any difference between God and a magical turtle that carries the earth but is invisible only to you?
F012TYF0U12 11 months ago