Kollo hat hier seinen Zenit schon laengst ueberschritten. Die einst schoene, tragfaehige Stimme hat schon in ersten Ansaetzen diesen "wobble", der auf seine alten Tage so unertraeglich wird. Wenn man diesen stimmlichen Schwaechen hier einmal rausrechnet, singt er immer noch besser und vor allem heldischer als Kaufmann und Vogt heute.
@unethicaldenier Ich bin der gleichen Meinung. Kollos Singen klingt angestrengt und ungeschmeidig. Wir hören eine kleine Stimme, die sich durch eine schwere Partie schreit.
Kollos Walther (unter Karajan) gefällt mir eigentlich recht gut, aber sein Tristan (unter Kleiber) ist einfach schmerzhaft anzuhören. Jürgen Kesting hat sehr kritisch über Kollo geschrieben ("Die grossen Sänger"), aber ich muss ihm beistimmen, dass Kollo allzu schwere Partien aufgenommen hat.
@hardtimesincountry Dieser Kommentar ist sowas von daneben. Manche können den Unterschied zwischen "angestrengt" und "dramatisch" nicht erkennen! Ich bin selber Opernsänger! ICh sehe und höre einen Mann, der völlig ohne die Miene zu verziehen jeden hohen Ton singt und triumphierend über die Partie steht! ICh habe ihn live gehört und er hat eine enorm große, laute stimme und einen außergewöhnlich männlichen Klang, was den meisten Tenören fehlt! Das zeichnet diesen Tenor für mich aus!
@omega7023 sorry aber es gibt gut fachleute und es gibt schlechte fachleute. es kann doch nicht sein, das ein profi diesen gewaltakt der stimme nicht raushört. dazu muss ich noch nicht mal profi sein. es ist fast immer ein angestrengtes singen, das mir unangenehm ist. außerdem bangt man immer mit, kriegt er den hohen ton oder nicht.
Der größte Lohengrin, den ich je gehört habe, vielleicht nicht absolut stahlend in dieser Aufnahme, aber normalerweise auf der Bühne unschlagbar. Ich wünschte, wir hätten heute einen Tenor mit der schlanken schönenn Stimme, der klaren, deutlichen Aussprache und dazu noch der Intelligenz und Darstellungskraft!
@omega7023 heldentenor,lach. seitdem er diese partien übernommen hat war die stimme komplett glanzlos und leiernd. im übrigen finde ich e c h t e dramatische stimmen überaus faszinierend.
@blauauge2 Jemand der vom fach kommt hat wohl eine andere Sicht und ein anderes Gehör! Ich weiß was leiernd und was glanz ist! Dieser Tenor ist vielleicht etwas eigenwillig und hat seine eigene Art zu singen. Er schleift die töne bei manchen noten aber ein Profi erkennt, dass er das bewusst macht an bestimmten tönen als ausdrucksmittel und nicht wegen schlechter Technik! Es ist eine ausladende Stimme die sich erst entfalten muss, die nicht sofort da ist wie bei Melchior oder Windgassen!
@omega7023 I have heard him live many times, and he was always terrible. He does not have a dramatic voice, he has a lyric voice that he DESTROYED singing Wagner.
He was really one of the best! look around today you won`t find any better,with such a well focused,dramatic,lyric and not too baritone sounding voice!my opinion..
I agree fully. The most beautiful, most expressive, most sensitive Wagnerian tenor of my generation. I was at his Met debut as Lohengrin, and it was radiant and gorgeous. His occasional critics don't know what they are hearing!
The combination of lyricism, sweetness and size of voice was very remarkable he didn't sing very much at the Met and his career sometimes wasn't as respected because of the operetta and pop
I remember also a recording of Tote Stadt
I'll never forget the Lohengrin though and I heard Konya and Heppner but Kollo stays with me the most the perfect voice for that role-it shouldn't be too heavy or heroic
how nice to read your comments. The Tote Stadt recording is not one of his high pointsa lot of strain, but here and there the beauty still comes through. But the Solti Tannhauser is mind-blowing! Kollo is just fantastic. And his "Jungfrau, rein im schonsten Sinne" in Mahler's 8th is the most rapturous, ecstatic thing I have ever heard! 30 years later I still swoon from hearing him sing this.
Thanks for reminding me about the Tannhauser I own it but haven't heard it in yrs. ditto Tote Stadt so I don't recall the strain you mention it would seem an ideal role for him only 5 yrs. between the two was there such a rapid decline in his voice or just not at his best?
Your comment has now moved me to listen to his Tannhauser this afternoon. i also think his recording of Tristan is fabulous ---the intensity of his Act III is mind-blowing.
I heard Konya do Lohengrin in '67, and Heppner at the premiere of the current (abominable) Met production. Both were good, but could not compare to Kollo. And let's not forget his glorious recording of Parsifal. Do you know the passage in Mahler's 8th to which I referred? My heart stops whenever I hear it.
the last live Tann I heard was at the Met with P Seiffert (I had heard in Europe didn't expect that much) he was terrific with Hampson
I notice on OperaL which I peruse but never contributed too a discussion of Lohengrins strangely no one mentioned Kollo they should have!
I don't agree with abominable for Met Lohengrin interesting I'd say no comparison to the true trash out there I think Wagner works well with abstraction
Not huge on Mahler have versions of 8 but will keep this in mind
Well, yes, "abominable" is a strong term, and perhaps not altogether appropriate. But I did think it was nonetheless an absurd production with little dramatic tension and no particular point of view. More like a director's exercise in egotism. I do agree with you that abstraction in Wagner has its place; it just didn't work here. It says something that it has not been done at the Met now in 10 years. The old production was ravishing
I heard Sieffert do Tannhauser in San Francisco 2 years ago, and I thought he was quite exciting and intense, and sang beautifully with wonderful tonal modulation.
I assume you are referring to the Decca recording of Mahler's 8th, w/ Sir Georg Solti conducting? I agree that Kollo's "Jung Frau" is exquisite. That is one of my favorite recordings. All of the soloists are fabulous! There are many moments from that performance that are so beautiful they bring tears to my eyes.
i can only second what you said. Last year I heard James Conlon lead Mahler's 8th at the Ravinia Festival, and it was a great performance, but Vince Cole sang Kollo's part, and though commendable, could not compare to Rene. Well, you can't have everything!
...this is too sweet and nice for me, and lacks the unlimited power...but look.....only Melchior can claim Wagner as a tenor, the competition...there is none, the voices are too thin ....yes, Melchior was a freak of nature...how lucky we are for that!
I can't understand anyone who doesn't appriciate Rene Kollo's Lohengrin. Albeit, on the recording I was raised on his voice was focused like the edge of a knife. He is most likely a bit older in this video. I have since lost this record somehow. It's very sad as it was one of my most prized recordings.
Great "Taube"! From his singing in the beginning of the aria I feared he wouldn't reach the end properly but things proved otherwise. Still I have some problems with his way of apporaching tones from beneath. I prefer him in more dramatical parts like Third Act Tannhauser as opposed to this in essence lyrical part....
ReNE Kollo, bist deutsch sänger, und Richard Wagner, bist perfekt für deutch stimme, und tut mir leide didymus1946, aber Rene kollo in Deutschland und Europe bist ein top sänger für Richard Wagner.
I agree. It's much like Carreras; quite affecting. But, again, this is no heldentenor. Melchior was a freak of nature (as was, probably, Birgit Nillson).
BTW, I really liked the way the conductor let the end of the aria flow right into the finale of "Lohengrin."
The reason is probably that he did more popular recordings, e.g. with German pop singer Udo Juergens. But basically I fully agree with you: He is a marvellous tenor, though a lyrical one. And he fully deserves to be recognized as the fine tenor that he is.
warum zur hölle gucken sich ammis oder was auch immer ihr seit wagner und generell deutsche opern an. übrigens sehr schön auch gut zu verstehen was mir ja das wichtigste ist da ich ja wegen der geschichte in die oper gehe
In my limited experience, voice tone can sometimes deceiving. Some voices that have sounded huge to me have actually not been. The opposite has also been true. I have never heard Rene Kollo live though, so I can't speak for him.
I agree that he was no Melchior or Franz Volker, but just "acceptable" as Lohengrin? In the studio under Karajan maybe, but here he is perfect! And let's not forget his Tannhauser and Parsifal (both in the complete studio recordings under Solti in the early 70s) which are sublime! I have not heard his Siegfried yet.
I heard him do a solo concert with orchestra about the time of this video. The whole first half was very poor. His voice was white and thin. In the second half he was much much better. He always had an unsettled technigue.
Here he is only about half as good as his best work.
Nice voice, good diction. Pity he has the habit of starting below the note and sliding upwards towards it. Too much for this style of singing. And he breath way too much.
An excellent singer with great stage presence. One of the best heldentenors.
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Kollo hat hier seinen Zenit schon laengst ueberschritten. Die einst schoene, tragfaehige Stimme hat schon in ersten Ansaetzen diesen "wobble", der auf seine alten Tage so unertraeglich wird. Wenn man diesen stimmlichen Schwaechen hier einmal rausrechnet, singt er immer noch besser und vor allem heldischer als Kaufmann und Vogt heute.
dg6da 5 months ago
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dg6da 5 months ago
His voice is not really fitting for the role of Lohengrin, but his diction is really wunderbar!
Boerenfox 11 months ago
Er schmiert jeden zweiten Einsatz.
Mein Gesangslehrer hätte ihm die Noten um die Ohren gehauen. :D
gmdv 1 year ago
@gmdv du bist ja auch nihct der kollo. das kann sich nicht jeder erlauben!
omega7023 8 months ago
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@gmdv du bist ja auch nihct der kollo. das kann sich nicht jeder erlauben!
omega7023 8 months ago
@gmdv Du bist ja auch nicht Kollo!
omega7023 8 months ago
A great piece of music and a beautiful singing voice. Just perfect.
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I hate this american accent at the beginning
DeusEx47 1 year ago
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DeusEx47 1 year ago
@unethicaldenier Ich bin der gleichen Meinung. Kollos Singen klingt angestrengt und ungeschmeidig. Wir hören eine kleine Stimme, die sich durch eine schwere Partie schreit.
Kollos Walther (unter Karajan) gefällt mir eigentlich recht gut, aber sein Tristan (unter Kleiber) ist einfach schmerzhaft anzuhören. Jürgen Kesting hat sehr kritisch über Kollo geschrieben ("Die grossen Sänger"), aber ich muss ihm beistimmen, dass Kollo allzu schwere Partien aufgenommen hat.
hardtimesincountry 1 year ago
@hardtimesincountry Dieser Kommentar ist sowas von daneben. Manche können den Unterschied zwischen "angestrengt" und "dramatisch" nicht erkennen! Ich bin selber Opernsänger! ICh sehe und höre einen Mann, der völlig ohne die Miene zu verziehen jeden hohen Ton singt und triumphierend über die Partie steht! ICh habe ihn live gehört und er hat eine enorm große, laute stimme und einen außergewöhnlich männlichen Klang, was den meisten Tenören fehlt! Das zeichnet diesen Tenor für mich aus!
omega7023 8 months ago
@omega7023 sorry aber es gibt gut fachleute und es gibt schlechte fachleute. es kann doch nicht sein, das ein profi diesen gewaltakt der stimme nicht raushört. dazu muss ich noch nicht mal profi sein. es ist fast immer ein angestrengtes singen, das mir unangenehm ist. außerdem bangt man immer mit, kriegt er den hohen ton oder nicht.
blauauge2 8 months ago
Der besser tenor für Wagner musik in welt.
Alexmeister25 1 year ago
Der größte Lohengrin, den ich je gehört habe, vielleicht nicht absolut stahlend in dieser Aufnahme, aber normalerweise auf der Bühne unschlagbar. Ich wünschte, wir hätten heute einen Tenor mit der schlanken schönenn Stimme, der klaren, deutlichen Aussprache und dazu noch der Intelligenz und Darstellungskraft!
Philon1967 1 year ago
Wunderbar! Einer der grossen Stimmen!
Ich traf mit ihm in der Schweiz auf, schöne Erinerrungen,
JP Finnalnd
johan52312 1 year ago
The phrasing and the pronouncation of every syllabe in this magic aria was of the greatest beauty. Thanks for uploading.
Boerenfox 1 year ago
So beautiful - really! Thank you very much for this great video.
Nibelungenfrau 1 year ago
Szép,erős, telt hang, meggyőző előadásban.Tetszett.
bullogh 1 year ago
er ist und bleibt ein lyrischer tenor. nie ein heldentenor gewesen.
die stimme klingt schon vor 30 jahren leicht scheppernd, wenig obertonreich und abgesungen. das vibrato ist schon grenzwertig. k e i n hörgenuß.
blauauge2 1 year ago
@blauauge2 I agree, as usual with you !!!
GERMANYFrankie 1 year ago
@blauauge2 manche habenn eine schlechten geschmack und die mögen dramatische stimmen nicht!
wer ihn nicht live gehört hat solltre sich solche kommentare verkneifen!
Es ist der Innbegriff des Heldentenors!!!
omega7023 8 months ago
@omega7023 heldentenor,lach. seitdem er diese partien übernommen hat war die stimme komplett glanzlos und leiernd. im übrigen finde ich e c h t e dramatische stimmen überaus faszinierend.
blauauge2 8 months ago
@blauauge2 Jemand der vom fach kommt hat wohl eine andere Sicht und ein anderes Gehör! Ich weiß was leiernd und was glanz ist! Dieser Tenor ist vielleicht etwas eigenwillig und hat seine eigene Art zu singen. Er schleift die töne bei manchen noten aber ein Profi erkennt, dass er das bewusst macht an bestimmten tönen als ausdrucksmittel und nicht wegen schlechter Technik! Es ist eine ausladende Stimme die sich erst entfalten muss, die nicht sofort da ist wie bei Melchior oder Windgassen!
omega7023 8 months ago
@blauauge2 Hier kannst du hören wie seine Stimme neben einer wirklich riesigen Stimme klingt!
Diese Produktion habe ich live erlebt und kann dir sagen, es klingt in echt auch so!
Zwei riesige laute stimmen! Zwei Monster!
Aber naja...vielleicht bist du der Meinung, das ihre Stimme auch klein ist und ausgeleiert;)))
omega7023 8 months ago
@omega7023 entscheidend für eine stimme ist nicht, das sie laut ist ,sondern tragfähig.
blauauge2 8 months ago
@omega7023 I have heard him live many times, and he was always terrible. He does not have a dramatic voice, he has a lyric voice that he DESTROYED singing Wagner.
AfroPoli 8 months ago
I think that Kollo is better in Tannhauser. Lohengrin is for Melchior and Domingo for me.
Biogiant22 2 years ago
The best Wagner singer!!!
Bachfreund 2 years ago
He was really one of the best! look around today you won`t find any better,with such a well focused,dramatic,lyric and not too baritone sounding voice!my opinion..
warnercell 2 years ago
I didn't like it. Sounded strained and laboured. Perhaps I just don't understand Wagnerian singing.
flaze3 2 years ago
Escuchen Thill en esta aria y veran la diferencia.
MultiSORDO 2 years ago
Bravo!!! Wish I'd seen him live.
Englishtenor2 2 years ago
I allways rated him on the TOP. Superb. I Just LOVE IT.
Thank You Very much
Erkele 2 years ago
I agree fully. The most beautiful, most expressive, most sensitive Wagnerian tenor of my generation. I was at his Met debut as Lohengrin, and it was radiant and gorgeous. His occasional critics don't know what they are hearing!
57monks 2 years ago
I was also at his Met debut great night
The combination of lyricism, sweetness and size of voice was very remarkable he didn't sing very much at the Met and his career sometimes wasn't as respected because of the operetta and pop
I remember also a recording of Tote Stadt
I'll never forget the Lohengrin though and I heard Konya and Heppner but Kollo stays with me the most the perfect voice for that role-it shouldn't be too heavy or heroic
Labienus 2 years ago
how nice to read your comments. The Tote Stadt recording is not one of his high pointsa lot of strain, but here and there the beauty still comes through. But the Solti Tannhauser is mind-blowing! Kollo is just fantastic. And his "Jungfrau, rein im schonsten Sinne" in Mahler's 8th is the most rapturous, ecstatic thing I have ever heard! 30 years later I still swoon from hearing him sing this.
57monks 2 years ago
Thanks for reminding me about the Tannhauser I own it but haven't heard it in yrs. ditto Tote Stadt so I don't recall the strain you mention it would seem an ideal role for him only 5 yrs. between the two was there such a rapid decline in his voice or just not at his best?
still the best Lohengrin I ever hear live
Labienus 2 years ago
Your comment has now moved me to listen to his Tannhauser this afternoon. i also think his recording of Tristan is fabulous ---the intensity of his Act III is mind-blowing.
I heard Konya do Lohengrin in '67, and Heppner at the premiere of the current (abominable) Met production. Both were good, but could not compare to Kollo. And let's not forget his glorious recording of Parsifal. Do you know the passage in Mahler's 8th to which I referred? My heart stops whenever I hear it.
57monks 2 years ago
the last live Tann I heard was at the Met with P Seiffert (I had heard in Europe didn't expect that much) he was terrific with Hampson
I notice on OperaL which I peruse but never contributed too a discussion of Lohengrins strangely no one mentioned Kollo they should have!
I don't agree with abominable for Met Lohengrin interesting I'd say no comparison to the true trash out there I think Wagner works well with abstraction
Not huge on Mahler have versions of 8 but will keep this in mind
Labienus 2 years ago
Well, yes, "abominable" is a strong term, and perhaps not altogether appropriate. But I did think it was nonetheless an absurd production with little dramatic tension and no particular point of view. More like a director's exercise in egotism. I do agree with you that abstraction in Wagner has its place; it just didn't work here. It says something that it has not been done at the Met now in 10 years. The old production was ravishing
57monks 2 years ago
I heard Sieffert do Tannhauser in San Francisco 2 years ago, and I thought he was quite exciting and intense, and sang beautifully with wonderful tonal modulation.
57monks 2 years ago
I assume you are referring to the Decca recording of Mahler's 8th, w/ Sir Georg Solti conducting? I agree that Kollo's "Jung Frau" is exquisite. That is one of my favorite recordings. All of the soloists are fabulous! There are many moments from that performance that are so beautiful they bring tears to my eyes.
fannytemper 2 years ago
i can only second what you said. Last year I heard James Conlon lead Mahler's 8th at the Ravinia Festival, and it was a great performance, but Vince Cole sang Kollo's part, and though commendable, could not compare to Rene. Well, you can't have everything!
57monks 2 years ago
...this is too sweet and nice for me, and lacks the unlimited power...but look.....only Melchior can claim Wagner as a tenor, the competition...there is none, the voices are too thin ....yes, Melchior was a freak of nature...how lucky we are for that!
j72050 2 years ago
ja ist Melchior das Beste, können wir seins wie nie sehen oder hören
backnumber1662 2 years ago
I can't understand anyone who doesn't appriciate Rene Kollo's Lohengrin. Albeit, on the recording I was raised on his voice was focused like the edge of a knife. He is most likely a bit older in this video. I have since lost this record somehow. It's very sad as it was one of my most prized recordings.
wwjacod13 3 years ago
Rene Kollo is an amazing voice and singer-and this aria is so light on an orchestra that even lighter tenor then Kollo can do a beautiful job.
But opera is not just about beautiful singing-the voice reperesents a character-heroic as usual with Wagner.
Imagine The great De Niro(actor) would play a Moise instead of Charlton Heston who may be not a better actor but simply would not fit the role.
Analogicaly-Bjorling vs Melchior.
One has to know that voices have symbolic meanings in opera:)
Cesaare 2 years ago
He will always be the one and only Deutscher Helden-Tenor!!!!
Skinnyskip90 2 years ago
Great "Taube"! From his singing in the beginning of the aria I feared he wouldn't reach the end properly but things proved otherwise. Still I have some problems with his way of apporaching tones from beneath. I prefer him in more dramatical parts like Third Act Tannhauser as opposed to this in essence lyrical part....
martello79 3 years ago
ReNE Kollo, bist deutsch sänger, und Richard Wagner, bist perfekt für deutch stimme, und tut mir leide didymus1946, aber Rene kollo in Deutschland und Europe bist ein top sänger für Richard Wagner.
Alexmeister25 3 years ago
I allways liked the 'warmness' in his voice.
Erkele 3 years ago
I agree. It's much like Carreras; quite affecting. But, again, this is no heldentenor. Melchior was a freak of nature (as was, probably, Birgit Nillson).
BTW, I really liked the way the conductor let the end of the aria flow right into the finale of "Lohengrin."
didymus1946 3 years ago
Beautiful singing; some people have slated this fine tenor and I can't understand why.
rabengeraun 3 years ago 2
The reason is probably that he did more popular recordings, e.g. with German pop singer Udo Juergens. But basically I fully agree with you: He is a marvellous tenor, though a lyrical one. And he fully deserves to be recognized as the fine tenor that he is.
VicomtedeTocqueville 3 years ago
Thanks for replying; perhaps there's an element of snobbery in people's judgement of Kollo because he also sang popular music
rabengeraun 3 years ago
Perhaps? Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Wagnerian myself, but the question if there is snobbery among Wagnerians answers itself...
VicomtedeTocqueville 3 years ago
Touché!
rabengeraun 3 years ago
@rabengeraun -They must have tin ears.His singing is magnificent.
paulostroff99 4 months ago
warum zur hölle gucken sich ammis oder was auch immer ihr seit wagner und generell deutsche opern an. übrigens sehr schön auch gut zu verstehen was mir ja das wichtigste ist da ich ja wegen der geschichte in die oper gehe
DDT1402 3 years ago 2
tecnicamente un disastro, voce ballante e vibrazioni ovunque, povero Kollo....ascoltate Lauritz Melchior...o Bjorling!
neronnenn 3 years ago
@neronnenn De acuerdo!
2920Thomas 2 years ago
Kollo ist Koenig!
unauthorizedbeast 3 years ago 2
Great !!!
SerchWagnerianBear 3 years ago
In my limited experience, voice tone can sometimes deceiving. Some voices that have sounded huge to me have actually not been. The opposite has also been true. I have never heard Rene Kollo live though, so I can't speak for him.
dwa8167 3 years ago
He really is NO "helden"-tenor. He was really good as Walther, acceptable as Lohengrin. He
is a very good musician, a good actor, but his
voice is to white, it lacks the baritonal sound in the depth. No Lorenz, no Suthaus,
no Vickers, no Melchior...
8032gesang 4 years ago
Thank god he is none of the people you mention... he is entitled to be himself I suppose.
However, I too heard him live -as another viewer- and was astonished by the beauty and volume of the voice.
(although he did go on for a bit after his voice showed signs of fatigue... but that came in the mid-late nineties...)
CONTESTAR 4 years ago
I agree that he was no Melchior or Franz Volker, but just "acceptable" as Lohengrin? In the studio under Karajan maybe, but here he is perfect! And let's not forget his Tannhauser and Parsifal (both in the complete studio recordings under Solti in the early 70s) which are sublime! I have not heard his Siegfried yet.
DemisLian 4 years ago
I heard him do a solo concert with orchestra about the time of this video. The whole first half was very poor. His voice was white and thin. In the second half he was much much better. He always had an unsettled technigue.
Here he is only about half as good as his best work.
Agorante 3 years ago
Perfect diction! A voice of rare beauty! Heard him so often on stage, he was the best Tristan I ever heard!
mariusfelix 4 years ago 8
Nice voice, good diction. Pity he has the habit of starting below the note and sliding upwards towards it. Too much for this style of singing. And he breath way too much.
montallio 4 years ago
Great!
hoelderlinshyperion 4 years ago
A great example of "helden tenor", rare voices!
francocerri74 4 years ago
Yes But He have that kind of voice. One of my favourite tenors.
Erkele 4 years ago