Skeptiko host Alex Tsakiris interview with Dr. Sam Parnia - Part 1

[DStrike0083]

@Yeahnoa are you illiterate? There's only one study going on and that's the aware study head by that parnia. Are you just making shit up again?

[Yeahnoa]

@DStrike0083 Illiterate, do gather documentation and information before discussing. And learn to read. Now believe anything you want and get off my back.

[AnduinX]

@Yeahnoa: It doesn't matter how many billboards there are, you could ask the trucker about any single ONE of them, and they would likely not be able to recall it, because they had no reason to pay attention to the billboards. If you told the truck driver to look for a billboard before they set out that would be different, because they would be looking for it. That's not what happens in this study. People don't die with the explicit purpose of looking at that shelf.

[AnduinX]

@Yeahnoa: Think about it like this, if you were to go to a highway truck stop and ask a trucker to recount all of the billboards between his starting point and the truck stop, do you think they'd be able to do it? Almost certainly not - because most truck drivers have no reason to pay attention to (let alone memorize) the billboards they pass. Using the logic you're putting forth, you could argue that the hypothetical trucker never made his run because he lacked details about it.

[AnduinX]

@Yeahnoa: Not making a note of a picture does not disprove the experience anymore than not making a note of a landmark on my flight to England disproves that I flew to England. You have to keep in mind that these patients don’t come to the hospital to be part of a study. They’re dying, and looking at a picture on top of a closet is probably the last thing on their mind at the time.

[thekaji]

people get too wrapped around the axle about whether NDE's are illusions or real. If it positively effects the individuals life, then the results are certainly real (mutually exclusive of the cause). Which is all that matters in this lifetime.

[mik99D]

Have anyone noticed that Tsakiris is a one-trick-pony? No matter who the guest is he always brings the topic around to NDE's. I have had several NDE's due to many complications. The last one was just three weeks ago when I was in a coma. I never see dead people. There is nothing mystical, it is just images last stored in the brain getting mixed up as most of the brain shuts away from voluntary operations to keep vital organs running.

[alexeevic]

Skepticism is not criticism of everything, it is rather the correct mindset and equilibrium regarding arguments. Here Alex Tsakiris does not advocate skepticism, he does not express a valid point regarding the experiment, he rather criticises the project's marketing. Also his comments regarding statistics are worrying. 12/1500 guessing a number from 1 to 1500 is difficult. 12/1500 guessing a private key is next to impossible and WORTH studying (if it is so).

[mik99D]

NDE are all tricks of the mind. There is no evidence for life after death. Where would their memories be stored if the body and brain were dead?

[alexeevic]

@mik99D Yes, there is absolutely no evidence for life after death. However there is also absolutely no evidence whether if NDEs are or not tricks of the mind. You are not a skeptic. You said: "Where would their memories be stored if the body and brain were dead?" - this is an argument for life after death, since memories (and even false memories) cannot be created IF THE BRAIN IS DEAD, and the experience has to occur outside of the brain ergo your contradiction!

[mik99D]

@alexeevic No. I think you have a bout of circular reasoning there. How can an experience happen outside the brain? This is nonsense. Someone has a NDE, they have not died. I know this as it has happened to me several times. Otherwise we would call them DEs although no one has ever had one of those and reported it back. Just because something can't be explained - this doesn't allow one to fill in the gaps with any fairy tale that takes your fancy. NDE research is wishful thinking.

[alexeevic]

@mik99D Really sorry for your complications! However not all NDEs are the same. Your experience may be different from a classic NDE experience, which fully goes by the Greyson scale. The interesting NDEs I'm talking about are those when the experiencer undergoes complete shut-down of the brain (cryo-surgery for instance). I was pointing the contradiction, by "Reduction to absurd" , not making a point, no redundacy or c logic. NDE research is not wishful thinking, expectancy on the outcome is.

[MastaSh0ckW4v3]

@mik99D Interesting point, but I have to disagree with you, if it is real, then obviously the brain and body were only a means for this thing(soul) to communicate. We can't really expect to know, all we can do is make our own guesses for now. I respect yours though.

It's not evidence at all but I have always wondered how a blind person from birth could have the same time of NDE as a sighted person. That to me has always stuck, that is much harder to explain away than all the others.

[MastaSh0ckW4v3]

@MastaSh0ckW4v3 time is meant to be "type" Sorry, my typing skills suck.

[BillMan2002]

Isn't this all clips put together to make one study? This isn't a real interview is it? It is just clips taken from other speeches?