THERE ARE NO COMBOS IN BRAWL!!!! PEOPLE PLAY BRAWL CUZ THEY CANT PLAY MELEE!!!
The worst part about it is that they call Melee players tourneyfags, while they think they're the shit when they win brawl tournaments, which are based on luck rather than skillz.
Yeah, I agree, but the way I see Melee and Brawl is like Halo 2 and Halo 3.
Halo 2 had a lot more tricks to pull off like BXR, double shotting, quad shotting, ect. while Halo 3 took all that out and it was a bit slower than Halo 2's gameplay.
Well auto-cancel is when the full motion of an air attack has been used to where the person, if attempted, will receive no lag time once they hit the ground and can be followed up with another attack, block, etc. Even though the character looks like they are still in animation they still receive no lag time once they hit the ground. Higher level players usually want to get as close to the ground with auto canceling for confusion and speed.
yea sure I don't mind, but I have to get another copy of brawl (I was playing my bro's brawl). Just add me too your youtube friendslist if you want code, anyone for that matter.
To me the problem is that Brawl is good, but Melee is better. Unfortunately now that Brawl is out I would rather play it although Brawl disappointed me I will someday get used to it.
the most exciting thing I've ever seen that had to do with Brawl was M2K vs Ally at Apex. The match itself wasn't exciting, it was just the hype. Ally's DI was amazing and everyone was going crazy over stuff like that. That's what makes Brawl fun. The Hype. The game itself is absolute balls
even if there isnt alot of TRUE comobs there are still mind games and alot of kill that goes into brawl not as much as melee but its still a good game..both games are awesome
I don't know why there's a lot of people who hate Brawl, it's a great game, I mean, SSB it's not the same as SSBM, and SSBW isn't the exact same as Melee, but Brawl it's a really good game and there's a lot of combos out there and Melee seems like it's more based on competitive game and Brawl seems like it's more based on competitive and fun game. I hope more people famous on the Smash comunity get more into Brawl and let more people get a chace for Brawl.
They arent just "different". Alot of it has to do with upgrades vs downgrades. Melee was vastly improved from the original. People feel like brawl was downgraded instead of made better.
People wanted to be able to pick up brawl and use the same amount of technical skill as they did in melee. But when they found out they couldnt, it was all displaced into nothing.
And as long as money is at stake, the games will be competitive. Melee is way more fun precisely because it requires more skill.
Pulling off combos in Brawl may be very different than it was in Melee, but still, combos are combos. Whichever ones you find can help the overall metagame for each of them.
Melee may require more skill (Which I apparently never found when I had it) but Brawl still has what it takes to be a genuine Smash game.
I will admit...at first I didn't think that brawl had such potential...but it's just like my outlook on street fighter. You have zoning capabilities, mindgames...it's the same as melee but the gameplay had different technical skills and practices to uphold.
So yeah I apologize for knocking this game at first...that's what I get for being judgemental about it before playing it....I now play brawl on a professional level just as much as I play street fighter at a professional level.
Yea it was an intentional counter cause he knew he couldn't make it back on the stage cause of being to low. And thanks Machin and LeBasser for explaining lol. This video almost a year old and I have been playing since then. I guess my most updated matches are on my profile when I was at a tourney, Shogun Vs. Action r the best ones.
nice videos but you not better than any other good brawl player.i mean: your edge guarding is awesome.but i can do the rest with those characters too.i think you enemies are bad because they werent good at using the shield or at evading.nethertheless 5 stars!
amazing =p i used to hate brawl, but recently i've been watching videos on the youtube and have been greatly inspired... I was and still am very good in melee, but brawl is the new thing and i see much potential for the game
I agree with anarchoiskunk, what brawl has done is made the game easier for anyone to pick up and play. they added pointless and stupid things like "tripping" and unlimited air dodges so that combos cannot be pulled off and competitive tournament-level play will never be too advanced. its slower than melee, and a grip of the characters have near unlimited jumps. not to mention the lack of ACTUAL advanced techniques that seperate the pros and the beginners.
Ganondorf is one of the few (if not the only) character(s) that can exploit hitstun for "true" combos. There's very little hitstun left in Brawl, and Ganondorf's attacks have the most. :D
The reason that latter sort of thing becomes bad is because it gets in the way of the most important thing (imo anyways) that a game should be about: which is, ultimately, the decisions and thought processes of the players themselves.
I don't see how brawl is bad from the combo point of view. Just because an opponent can recover from a mistake is not a reason to put off brawl. This makes the game better and lets face it, the better player usually wins, this combo system seems to have annoyed people used to unrecoverable comboes that broke fast characters such as fox and shiek.
A poor combo system isn't necessarily the big beef a lot of players have with Brawl. A bigger issue is the game's tendency to dampen the importance of player choice and thought (for example the extremely low potential for punishment of poor choices). Which is something they aimed for during the game's construction, making the game easier to get into for newcomers and lessening skill differences.
wow great vid! melee was awesome. i got it the year it came out and i loved it coz u can make up sickly combos. but it wasnt long til i relised that melee was jus a competition to see who can 'juggle' some one the longest. i got brawl the day it came out and it was awesome an it still is. i no u can get out of combos pretty easily but thats wot i liked coz it forced me to use more mind games while playin. u have to predict alot. i swear playin brawl for ages can probably turn u into a psychic XD
Lol, I couldn't agree with you more on that comment. You REALLY have to know your opponent in this game, more than any fighting game I have played. Some have easier success than others, but not as much as it was in melee though. And I feel if you play this game for years too you will become psychic XD.
No it's impossible to combo not saying it's because brawl is crap and nothing to melee (although thats true in some ways) it's due to the lack f hitstun allowing you opponent to immediatley sheild or spot dodge. Meaning that it's all based on your opponents skill =) regardless, amazing video =)
Sakurai just plain doesn't like the competetive field. That's why he simplified the gameplay and added a more "defensive" play into it.
Although the smash community is beyond impressive to find techs like boost smashing(called by multiple names >_>) and inverse boost grabs(pivot grabs with a boost) which BOTH make use of the GC C-stick.
well tbh i definetly prefer to watch melee (though i watch and enjoy alot of brawl vids) but i play them both the same .And to the argument of brawl beeing easier, my 9yo brother can beat me at both ^__^
dang whats the name of the second song, not the kind of trailer song, but the second. that boy sound kinda like micheal jackson or something:p, whats it called?
My answer is.... "no". Brawl's defense is ultra overpowered, offense is amazingly unsafe in general, the mix up between grabs and hits is much weaker, extreme lack of combos which would help offense even though defense would still be overpowered (this also makes the game less technical), has less major techniques, oki game rarely even present in this game compared to Melee, completely random tripping and I'd say matchups are much less winnable in this game than in anything in Melee.
Super Smash Bros. to Super Smash Bros. Melee=Big change. Super Smash Bros. Melee to Super Smash Bros. Brawl=Big change. Its going to keep changing times are changing.
Actually it does require more mindgames cause of the blocking system and smaller hit stun and you can't punish your opponent with 0-death combos anymore. It's harder to pull of a victory cause of it's simplicity but if done right, i.e. more mindgames, it still gets just as competitive as other fighting games. I think the comment you ment to put was "it doesn't require as much technical skill as than melee" which is true. And the game can still pull of some sexy stuff.
what brawl has done is made the game easier for anyone to pick up and play. they added pointless and stupid things like "tripping" and unlimited air dodges so that combos cannot be pulled off and competitive tournament-level play will never be too advanced. its slower than melee, and a grip of the characters have unlimited (or near unlimited) jumps. not to mention the lack of ACTUAL advanced techniques that seperate the pros and the beginners.
FUCK that... melee was good for a bit but not better than brawl and this is why....
melee... if u didnt know how to wave dash or fuckin L cancel then u werent goin anywhere in tournaments which is BULLSHIT, and was also my case... now that, they fix glitches people fuckin cry about it.... ur mad cuz u cant kill sumbody by using a glitch... u ppl out there SUCK u suck BAD if u complain about that shit... the pacing of the game is slower yes, but again dont cry cuz u cant inifite combo someone!!
thanks shogun for giving Brawl a chance not many did. You have proven you CAN combo in Brawl(abeit much harder though) in the years to come I believe people will come and accept it for what it is. besides brawl is still better in trasaction then MK was going from 2-d to 3-d though the newer games are ok as well
I think brawl is great for four casual gamers wanting to have some fun, but when it comes to tournament play there's just not as much room for skill as there was in melee.
Sure somebody might discover some things that really alter the tournament gameplay style in brawl, but I doubt it.
Brawl was made more casual, because casual games are what sell most now.
I do agree with the mindgame part. The word is thrown around way too much to even mean anything relevant anymore. People say brawl is just mindgame this, mindgame that to where everyone is sick of the word. Brawl has very few real combos besides the ones that are programmed to combo. Brawl won't be able to be as competitive as Melee, but it'll take over anyhow. I'm not flaming, don't get me wrong here, but that's just my take on it. I respect your opinion of the game and will leave it at that.
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All I see is a bunch of crappy players and a bunch of crappy music. A combo by definition is attacking your enemy during the hitstun of your previous attack. And there were no mindgames at all.
Well if you really want the real technical definition of combo its a combination of button presses used to create a chain of attacks in a fighting game. Combo is also defined as chain of attacks (slow or fast) while an opponent is unable to attack. So truly the only games that truly have 'combos' are games like Tekken, Vitrua Fighter, MvC etc. If you say by your definition, then 60% of Ganon's combos are fake, Mario's only combo in melee is UAir and chain grabs, and Samus has no combos.
yo maybe im mistaking but in melee i see all the time marth or falcon players doing short hop attacks and another one really fast, hitting the player almost RIGHT after it because the player lands, Z cancells and hops again, it really dosnt look like to me that the other player has anyway to get out of it.. isnt that by definition a combo?
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Spoilers: there are no " mindgames" here just some kid who's just gotten a few weeks with this game and taped himself pwning his newbie neighbors, I was there, first time playing and the bastard taped me getting my ass kicked, ignore this video
Just because this method is not in the same fancy as what you play doesn't mean it can't work. Almost all of combos in ssbm and ssbb can be broken out of or postitioned in a way where you don't get combo'ed, it just takes alot more in brawl than melee, but it's possible to still pull off mindgame combos. You can't post something like this thinking you can see the whole matches from this video.
And if you say you know the "competitive circuit" then I shouldn't have to explain what mindgames are. And I don't understand why you would try to critique a video like this without seeing the full matches. Video's like this make the opponent look bad, but doesn't mean they are.
No it's not but if you are critiquing Zel's game as being bad like you're critiquing this video being bad than you much not know much about competitive smash bros. Check out Zelgadis evolution before you say something like that. The biggest part of this video is "Mindgames" please pay attention to that in the video, thanks.
yo mofat, you can ask thashogun, i have really good DI, i know how to get out of combos. but people can predict your form of DI and punish it. thats all i have to say. thashogun is agreat player
And another thing, I like brawl, I play it when someone else wants to play it, and sometimes over wifi(Even though lag makes actual skill impossible) but honestly, You will NEVER see a pro brawler(Like azen, pchris) get caught in one of these combos, because they know what DI IS! and because they just wont go rushing into the opponents obvious trap like all of these guys.. *Huff huff* ok im out of breath from ranting so much
lolz, calm. I know brawl cant combo to well. I doubt well see anything like the ken combo in brawl. but then again, that was the only major combo it had, the rest was opponents falling for tricks. We just called it mind games rather than being stupid. and brawl does indeed have combos, just nothing longer than 4 seconds, but you dont generally need. Robs gtoss fthrow usmash will kill at 70% if the top connects. Sorry, i was being a jackass earlier, i needed my ranting moment 2.
Well this comment is somewhat true, how many times have you seen a pro smasher (pc chris, azen) get caught in about any combos that didn't from from a mindgame? I mean if they were getting any form of combo'd it was from a tech chase or something that involved switch of their opponents game. And in Brawl, you have to be a lot better at that too pull off anything sexy. The game is still new me thinks, and I feel more ways of getting around it will be found out.
Lulz noob, stop wishing brawl was good. all the "combos" in brawl are are people being stupid and runnning into your attacks, oh wanna brawl an see what this person who "Cant play the game" wipe the floor with you?
Nah they possible, I'm living proof it can be done on campers, just no update videos of me yet. And I think you miss the biggest part of what I'm saying in this video, and that's Mindgames. Camping is camping, but once you on the inside, only camping you can do is block or roll back, which can also be countered. And if you attack, then that's not camping then is it, and that can be countered. It's about who you know than what you know in brawl from what I've seen.
ywah imj trying to be a pro with every one exept ike because hes cheap even though he used to be my favorite but he only is in a 2 or 3 player battle i like c.pc
Yea the combos are alot easier to escape on this game, which is the reason why I say play close attention to "Mindgames" in this vid. Combos in Smash come from a majority of mindgames (even in Melee) and Brawl has the least exception. mindgames, timing, and just having to know your opponent is needed more in Brawl. If done right, you can pull off some nice stuff. When I get a chance, I'll update some more things I found out about the game, but you guys will have to wait when I can :(.
Yea i didn't really mean to come off offensive, but honestly, the new airdodge and shield mechanics make combo's only things of fairy tails. btw fuck sakurai and his lack of hitstun. i mean come on, you get kicked in the face by a fucking gorilla, your not getting up for a while.
Lol yea it sucks which makes you have to work harder for a victory. I do love the character balance awhole lot more though. They really balanced the characters out alot more than on Melee.
I never understood why people don't like Brawl. The game is so fun, whether you're a pro or not. In all three games, each one has just gotten better. The fact that you can air dodge multiple times really allows so much more defensive options that wasn't allowed in Melee. Single player is obviously so much more in depth and really gives the game incredible amounts of replay value. SSE, in my opinion, is decent, but hell - it's exponentially better than Adventure mode!
This game will probably ALWAYS end up requiring more PATIENCE than melee.
Especially since 70% of all combos in brawl are able to be broken out of or DI'd. So i guess mindgames are more essential... unless there are certain characters that may have unbelievable advantages. But i guess we'll play it out until we find the game out... and i'm not missing out on this brawl experience! Me and my cuz got into the melee competitive scene 3 years late. NEVER AGAIN!
Yeah i agree, it does make a good example for undecided players, or people who just listen to the popular people. Like my friend who only hung out with "Brawl haters",so he instantly hated brawl. As soon as he got in the game he became astonished and inspired, and soon, broke away from his "group" and started his own little crew. Though i think he got the wrong idea because he quit melee and claims the game is "rigged",and he's kind of horrid at brawl, still, i'm fascinated by people's opinions.
That's EXACTLY the right idea I am implying in this video. Brawl is more about knowing your opponent than knowing technical aspects. The first 20 seconds of your video is what I was trying to portray in this video. You read your opponent like a book those first 20 seconds and got some serious damage out of it, good job. ^_^
thanks, not to mention the kill ^-^ But since it is impossible to know all of your opponents style you are facing in a tournament at a personal level, I guess it refers to knowledge about general tendencies of that character.
Then your second round, you have an good idea of the opponents individual style as well to combo them well.
That was a nice DK combo. I also realized that brawls combo game is even more of a reaction game than melee was because of the limited hitstun.
If you try to combo aggressively like melee, it won't work because they will air dodge or hit you. Instead, taking that extra second to see what they will do helps a lot. If they decide to air dodge or attack and you are not in range, there is a couple of frames where they are vulnerable mo matter what.
You can also use your character tendancies against your opponent to your advantage. For example, one of Pit's well known combos is Down throw to Up air. Good players will expect the the Up air after a throw.
My friends used to always dodge the Up air so I decided to be less aggressive and it payed off like in my video.
I like to wait that split second after the throw to see what they do and they most like air dodge expecting the Uair so I wait for them to come back down and re grab them. That could fall into place of mindgames but that is just what I have noticed about comboing in brawl.
This vid was truely inspirational. The world needs more vids like this to show players that Brawl can still be competitive. Melee is too hard for most players and like 10 years old. Fact is Brawl is more balanced and if that means no more 0 to death combos then good ridence melee. Keep it up man, this vid rocks.
Yeah I like the vid... if ur not great at a game then MAN UP AND GET GOOD... kus in a lil while Ima get my video and Show some PWNage... and NO I'm not the best brawl player yet... but Ima keep tryin to be the best...
Good stuff with Mario; I've never seen a good Brawl Mario before, so it was an eye-opening experience. The video was good overall; I didn't have any problems with the music, unlike the other views. Keep on Brawling!
I was sad that Ike was the main punching bag though :(. (Ike main here lolz.)
90% of those combo could've/would've been stopped by airdodging. And since airdodging is much less punishable, coupled with the nearly nonexistent hitstun and a completely broken shield system, aggressive offensive play is much less pratical making true combos very scarce. Oh yeah melee will always have more/better mindgames becuase you always have more general options. To say brawl uses more mindgames implies that it is dependent on them . . . which is a bad thing!
OMG this video its made of pure WIN, good work, i always taught that brawl was better from the start, i like more the new engine, thanks to the engine i have a new challenge, to master this new engine, keeping the things like the Melee one would be boring, it would be like melee with more characters and better graphics
Nintendo is fully aware of how people generally played Melee,and reguardless on how many tournments you went to,most just didnt played Melee that way.Thats why Brawl is "slowed down".Remember that N64 motto "Get N or get out"? Sounds like some one should take that advice instead of protesting the same shit over and over about how this game isnt complexed and when the casual that played the pervious version seen major improvments..
So? Your statment alone shows that you dont care for this game,so why bother even posting?Something has to be on you chest if your gonna spend time to write a another "Melee technical than Brawl" post,thats so 2 months ago bro,trust me.And for starters,the majority dont give a rats ass for advanced techs and if they did? THEY WOULD BE IN BRAWL.Nintendo is not siding with tournment mindsets/"metagame" with the Wii,it seems many have forgotten that so quick its not even funny.
that was pretty amazing! anyway, even the tripping isnt a big problem. ok its random and stuff, but because of the mindgames aspact, ur not in a bad game position everytime u trip. the game is totaly different to melee, its defensive. u guys should think about it. u still need skill to win matches.
THERE ARE NO COMBOS IN BRAWL!!!! PEOPLE PLAY BRAWL CUZ THEY CANT PLAY MELEE!!!
The worst part about it is that they call Melee players tourneyfags, while they think they're the shit when they win brawl tournaments, which are based on luck rather than skillz.
antidotebear 4 months ago
Ugh....mindgames..... I'm really bad at those.
masterbrawler111 9 months ago
Those aren't combos.
DanielxthexSeraph 1 year ago
lightning mode brawl is kind of fun. its like melee speed
BakaSoil 2 years ago
Your certainly good at this game, and have shown me a few things I didn't know before.
After 2 years of playing, Brawl ended for me. Back to 64 and Melee for me.
HiddenTriagram 2 years ago
@ geanfb
Yeah, I agree, but the way I see Melee and Brawl is like Halo 2 and Halo 3.
Halo 2 had a lot more tricks to pull off like BXR, double shotting, quad shotting, ect. while Halo 3 took all that out and it was a bit slower than Halo 2's gameplay.
NinjaNagashima 2 years ago
brawl sucks big penises
kamsalad 2 years ago
For the 4 advanced tactics being used, I didnt understand the demonsration shown right afterward for the first tactic. Could you please explain?
Xaverick 2 years ago
Well auto-cancel is when the full motion of an air attack has been used to where the person, if attempted, will receive no lag time once they hit the ground and can be followed up with another attack, block, etc. Even though the character looks like they are still in animation they still receive no lag time once they hit the ground. Higher level players usually want to get as close to the ground with auto canceling for confusion and speed.
ThaShogun12 2 years ago
And they said Mario was "The all-round, average joe that people use for practice purposes before going onto better characters" :/
SinnohX 2 years ago
brawl+
ulyssemc1 2 years ago
That Mario was amazing
Kisarez 2 years ago 2
nice combos man say we need to brawl whats your FC you would surprise who i use in brawl...
mrstartj 2 years ago
yea sure I don't mind, but I have to get another copy of brawl (I was playing my bro's brawl). Just add me too your youtube friendslist if you want code, anyone for that matter.
ThaShogun12 2 years ago
To me the problem is that Brawl is good, but Melee is better. Unfortunately now that Brawl is out I would rather play it although Brawl disappointed me I will someday get used to it.
AGameGem 2 years ago
the compitition for meele and brawl is like
cod 4 and cod world at war
geanfb 2 years ago
the most exciting thing I've ever seen that had to do with Brawl was M2K vs Ally at Apex. The match itself wasn't exciting, it was just the hype. Ally's DI was amazing and everyone was going crazy over stuff like that. That's what makes Brawl fun. The Hype. The game itself is absolute balls
Funfact: Ally vs M2K at Apex was hax
hax as in they removed tripping
brawl sucks
GirugaMarc 2 years ago
even if there isnt alot of TRUE comobs there are still mind games and alot of kill that goes into brawl not as much as melee but its still a good game..both games are awesome
Zmw192 2 years ago
I don't know why there's a lot of people who hate Brawl, it's a great game, I mean, SSB it's not the same as SSBM, and SSBW isn't the exact same as Melee, but Brawl it's a really good game and there's a lot of combos out there and Melee seems like it's more based on competitive game and Brawl seems like it's more based on competitive and fun game. I hope more people famous on the Smash comunity get more into Brawl and let more people get a chace for Brawl.
DarkLotus118 2 years ago
They arent just "different". Alot of it has to do with upgrades vs downgrades. Melee was vastly improved from the original. People feel like brawl was downgraded instead of made better.
People wanted to be able to pick up brawl and use the same amount of technical skill as they did in melee. But when they found out they couldnt, it was all displaced into nothing.
And as long as money is at stake, the games will be competitive. Melee is way more fun precisely because it requires more skill.
InfiniteGXT 2 years ago 2
Pulling off combos in Brawl may be very different than it was in Melee, but still, combos are combos. Whichever ones you find can help the overall metagame for each of them.
Melee may require more skill (Which I apparently never found when I had it) but Brawl still has what it takes to be a genuine Smash game.
VGBrothers 2 years ago
These are not even comboes.
pieguy314 2 years ago
pieguy is right
SdeathkrazedS 2 years ago
this looks kinda like a melee combo video... except slower and not as intricate
kernjiro 2 years ago 3
thanks for making brawl look so good
but melee is still better
youpassforsure 2 years ago 4
ABABA ABABA
Knoxroxmysox 2 years ago
I will admit...at first I didn't think that brawl had such potential...but it's just like my outlook on street fighter. You have zoning capabilities, mindgames...it's the same as melee but the gameplay had different technical skills and practices to uphold.
So yeah I apologize for knocking this game at first...that's what I get for being judgemental about it before playing it....I now play brawl on a professional level just as much as I play street fighter at a professional level.
Batou2006 2 years ago 4
i already quit melee i a no relearning all that again <,< i still go to brawl tourneys ^^
tripmisterman 2 years ago 3
Not gonna lie, that video was pretty sick. Got me excited to play some BRAWL!
God damn, never thought I'd say that...
newbiex2 2 years ago
i dont understand the "mindgames technique"
LeBasser01 3 years ago
Yea it was an intentional counter cause he knew he couldn't make it back on the stage cause of being to low. And thanks Machin and LeBasser for explaining lol. This video almost a year old and I have been playing since then. I guess my most updated matches are on my profile when I was at a tourney, Shogun Vs. Action r the best ones.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
do u still play brawl...errr
lovingmonkay 3 years ago
so many things win about this video.
yes, brawl can combo.
so good to see most of these done to ike.
sick ass song.
and at 6:25 did ike try and counter dying?
spinseffing 3 years ago
nice videos but you not better than any other good brawl player.i mean: your edge guarding is awesome.but i can do the rest with those characters too.i think you enemies are bad because they werent good at using the shield or at evading.nethertheless 5 stars!
LeBasser01 3 years ago
Lol didn't u read? This is a debut, when you play a new game, I guess now he's much better.
Machin396 3 years ago
yeah I guess it,too.
LeBasser01 3 years ago
this game is the best of the best sir
Bonespirit07 3 years ago
amazing =p i used to hate brawl, but recently i've been watching videos on the youtube and have been greatly inspired... I was and still am very good in melee, but brawl is the new thing and i see much potential for the game
PandaPint 3 years ago
Melee GOT ME PUMPED and Brawl well... I suck at Brawl because the game is to slow and reacts to slow for my speedy fingers
WorldsGreatestVidiot 3 years ago
Brawl is still fun dont get me wrong but NOTHING can beat melee
WorldsGreatestVidiot 3 years ago 4
I agree with anarchoiskunk, what brawl has done is made the game easier for anyone to pick up and play. they added pointless and stupid things like "tripping" and unlimited air dodges so that combos cannot be pulled off and competitive tournament-level play will never be too advanced. its slower than melee, and a grip of the characters have near unlimited jumps. not to mention the lack of ACTUAL advanced techniques that seperate the pros and the beginners.
Brawl is a massive FAIL.
WorldsGreatestVidiot 3 years ago
I expect A LOT of positives because A LOT of people feel this way about Brawl
WorldsGreatestVidiot 3 years ago 2
and then came Brawl
WorldsGreatestVidiot 3 years ago
Ganondorf is one of the few (if not the only) character(s) that can exploit hitstun for "true" combos. There's very little hitstun left in Brawl, and Ganondorf's attacks have the most. :D
lordentinikar 3 years ago
lolollololololol
SamusAbe 3 years ago
The reason that latter sort of thing becomes bad is because it gets in the way of the most important thing (imo anyways) that a game should be about: which is, ultimately, the decisions and thought processes of the players themselves.
Dragn7 3 years ago
I don't see how brawl is bad from the combo point of view. Just because an opponent can recover from a mistake is not a reason to put off brawl. This makes the game better and lets face it, the better player usually wins, this combo system seems to have annoyed people used to unrecoverable comboes that broke fast characters such as fox and shiek.
maistrooismi 3 years ago
A poor combo system isn't necessarily the big beef a lot of players have with Brawl. A bigger issue is the game's tendency to dampen the importance of player choice and thought (for example the extremely low potential for punishment of poor choices). Which is something they aimed for during the game's construction, making the game easier to get into for newcomers and lessening skill differences.
Dragn7 3 years ago
Brawl FTW!
Railware 3 years ago
i love ike and mario in brawl the only character i hate is snake and his final smash =/
geraldtpokemon 3 years ago
damm ur crazy!
how many tournaments u win? lol
ikon36 3 years ago
wow great vid! melee was awesome. i got it the year it came out and i loved it coz u can make up sickly combos. but it wasnt long til i relised that melee was jus a competition to see who can 'juggle' some one the longest. i got brawl the day it came out and it was awesome an it still is. i no u can get out of combos pretty easily but thats wot i liked coz it forced me to use more mind games while playin. u have to predict alot. i swear playin brawl for ages can probably turn u into a psychic XD
JamztheHedgehog 3 years ago
Lol, I couldn't agree with you more on that comment. You REALLY have to know your opponent in this game, more than any fighting game I have played. Some have easier success than others, but not as much as it was in melee though. And I feel if you play this game for years too you will become psychic XD.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
hmmm i think it take a long time until we know all the things about melee. it will took a long time to for brawl i think
TaliaTxT 3 years ago
lawl why didnt you choose something better from pearl kyoudai?^^
Anyway,nice vid. ;)
PassionofAnime 3 years ago
No it's impossible to combo not saying it's because brawl is crap and nothing to melee (although thats true in some ways) it's due to the lack f hitstun allowing you opponent to immediatley sheild or spot dodge. Meaning that it's all based on your opponents skill =) regardless, amazing video =)
TheCorruptedAngels 3 years ago
Sorry, 2slow for my taste. It seems a lot like spamming slashes and specials to me. Every vid has been like that.
Iced1992 3 years ago
finally...combos in brawl just depend on what ur opponent does, u can't do the same combo every time
DeadX95 3 years ago
Shogun, you're an excellent Brawl player, kudos to you.
DavyMacaroni 3 years ago 2
Sakurai just plain doesn't like the competetive field. That's why he simplified the gameplay and added a more "defensive" play into it.
Although the smash community is beyond impressive to find techs like boost smashing(called by multiple names >_>) and inverse boost grabs(pivot grabs with a boost) which BOTH make use of the GC C-stick.
Oh, it didn't take long...... :D
RoadToDawn51 3 years ago 6
well tbh i definetly prefer to watch melee (though i watch and enjoy alot of brawl vids) but i play them both the same .And to the argument of brawl beeing easier, my 9yo brother can beat me at both ^__^
XtremeHardcoreOwnage 3 years ago
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Shog u should look into Brawl+, the competative hacks for brawl like wavedashing
SKStylez 3 years ago
i want to know tthe song at 0:55 XD yea its much easier if i tell it this way.
Sbladez 3 years ago
OHhh that's Coheed and Combria "No World for Tommorrow"
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
dang whats the name of the second song, not the kind of trailer song, but the second. that boy sound kinda like micheal jackson or something:p, whats it called?
Sbladez 3 years ago
It's called "Dusk and Dawn" from the Chains of Promathia Expansion of Final Fantasy XI.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
no not that one the song after that song u send me. :)
Sbladez 3 years ago
My answer is.... "no". Brawl's defense is ultra overpowered, offense is amazingly unsafe in general, the mix up between grabs and hits is much weaker, extreme lack of combos which would help offense even though defense would still be overpowered (this also makes the game less technical), has less major techniques, oki game rarely even present in this game compared to Melee, completely random tripping and I'd say matchups are much less winnable in this game than in anything in Melee.
KixDanis 3 years ago
Super Smash Bros. to Super Smash Bros. Melee=Big change. Super Smash Bros. Melee to Super Smash Bros. Brawl=Big change. Its going to keep changing times are changing.
Gaby4440 3 years ago 2
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brawl sucks and doesnt require more mindgames then melee
just trying to be realistic guys
Hornilope 3 years ago
Actually it does require more mindgames cause of the blocking system and smaller hit stun and you can't punish your opponent with 0-death combos anymore. It's harder to pull of a victory cause of it's simplicity but if done right, i.e. more mindgames, it still gets just as competitive as other fighting games. I think the comment you ment to put was "it doesn't require as much technical skill as than melee" which is true. And the game can still pull of some sexy stuff.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
what brawl has done is made the game easier for anyone to pick up and play. they added pointless and stupid things like "tripping" and unlimited air dodges so that combos cannot be pulled off and competitive tournament-level play will never be too advanced. its slower than melee, and a grip of the characters have unlimited (or near unlimited) jumps. not to mention the lack of ACTUAL advanced techniques that seperate the pros and the beginners.
Brawl is a massive FAIL.
Melee FTW.
:]
anarchoiskunk 3 years ago
FUCK that... melee was good for a bit but not better than brawl and this is why....
melee... if u didnt know how to wave dash or fuckin L cancel then u werent goin anywhere in tournaments which is BULLSHIT, and was also my case... now that, they fix glitches people fuckin cry about it.... ur mad cuz u cant kill sumbody by using a glitch... u ppl out there SUCK u suck BAD if u complain about that shit... the pacing of the game is slower yes, but again dont cry cuz u cant inifite combo someone!!
Skarro719 3 years ago
Brawl is a poor competitive game for what it is. Read my other comment.
KixDanis 3 years ago
thanks shogun for giving Brawl a chance not many did. You have proven you CAN combo in Brawl(abeit much harder though) in the years to come I believe people will come and accept it for what it is. besides brawl is still better in trasaction then MK was going from 2-d to 3-d though the newer games are ok as well
aperson98 3 years ago 4
I think brawl is great for four casual gamers wanting to have some fun, but when it comes to tournament play there's just not as much room for skill as there was in melee.
Sure somebody might discover some things that really alter the tournament gameplay style in brawl, but I doubt it.
Brawl was made more casual, because casual games are what sell most now.
Whistt 3 years ago
Gotta agree with you
Machin396 3 years ago
melee : more movement techniques, makes it reactive game but also a tactical game with platforms and ways to approach
brawl : less movement techniques, slow makes it too based on defense or spacing, cheap easy combos, unfair overpowered moves
but i love the combos in this vid
shogan youre too good at this game... awesome stuff man
but melee > brawl you know it
but still brawl can be nice
NOSFERATUalu 3 years ago
I do agree with the mindgame part. The word is thrown around way too much to even mean anything relevant anymore. People say brawl is just mindgame this, mindgame that to where everyone is sick of the word. Brawl has very few real combos besides the ones that are programmed to combo. Brawl won't be able to be as competitive as Melee, but it'll take over anyhow. I'm not flaming, don't get me wrong here, but that's just my take on it. I respect your opinion of the game and will leave it at that.
Zenshra 3 years ago
Holy crap! O . O *standing ovation w/ random people whistling* You sir have just made my week.
awesomexp 3 years ago
YOU GUYS why do you comment bad things when you dont have to watch it?
Cfal12 3 years ago 9
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All I see is a bunch of crappy players and a bunch of crappy music. A combo by definition is attacking your enemy during the hitstun of your previous attack. And there were no mindgames at all.
krevinnn 3 years ago
Well if you really want the real technical definition of combo its a combination of button presses used to create a chain of attacks in a fighting game. Combo is also defined as chain of attacks (slow or fast) while an opponent is unable to attack. So truly the only games that truly have 'combos' are games like Tekken, Vitrua Fighter, MvC etc. If you say by your definition, then 60% of Ganon's combos are fake, Mario's only combo in melee is UAir and chain grabs, and Samus has no combos.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
Please understand the facts before posting comments like this, thank you.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
yo maybe im mistaking but in melee i see all the time marth or falcon players doing short hop attacks and another one really fast, hitting the player almost RIGHT after it because the player lands, Z cancells and hops again, it really dosnt look like to me that the other player has anyway to get out of it.. isnt that by definition a combo?
soemdude 3 years ago
The enemy was only out of hitstun long enough to start an attack. They were hit too fast to react.
That's good enough for me. >_>
TheSuperSmashBrother 3 years ago
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Spoilers: there are no " mindgames" here just some kid who's just gotten a few weeks with this game and taped himself pwning his newbie neighbors, I was there, first time playing and the bastard taped me getting my ass kicked, ignore this video
Fatulo2000 3 years ago
Just because this method is not in the same fancy as what you play doesn't mean it can't work. Almost all of combos in ssbm and ssbb can be broken out of or postitioned in a way where you don't get combo'ed, it just takes alot more in brawl than melee, but it's possible to still pull off mindgame combos. You can't post something like this thinking you can see the whole matches from this video.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
And if you say you know the "competitive circuit" then I shouldn't have to explain what mindgames are. And I don't understand why you would try to critique a video like this without seeing the full matches. Video's like this make the opponent look bad, but doesn't mean they are.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
No it's not but if you are critiquing Zel's game as being bad like you're critiquing this video being bad than you much not know much about competitive smash bros. Check out Zelgadis evolution before you say something like that. The biggest part of this video is "Mindgames" please pay attention to that in the video, thanks.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
Amazing job. very nice combos! I think I'm gonna go play now =P
gfxdragongod 3 years ago
Ababa ababa ababa odoru akachan ningen
RedArashi 3 years ago
hwy wat do u use to record yur brawl matches???
tonefresh 3 years ago
I record them with a card capturer while I was at school. I hope to bring more videos soon when I get the chance.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
akuchan nigen
Maddacheb 3 years ago
mmmmm.. aun asi.. brawl es una mierda (:
rentao9999 3 years ago 2
Brawl is about 50% beter than Melee, the first SSB was better than Melee!
kyuubi98756 3 years ago
@kyuubi98756
STFU you fucking dumb, ignorant piece of trash.
iTelluWHHOT 3 years ago
Fuck you and get a life, it's just a game faggot.
tehSnid 3 years ago
muy buen video, brawl rulea
alfredo90 3 years ago
Nice vid! Great combos. I give it a 4. If it had Falcon Punch in it, I'd probably give it a 5. :)
Afrohawk512 3 years ago
That donkey kong combo made my jaw drop, GOOD VIDEO!
Buizeru421 3 years ago
U can make good combos in brawl coz ur a very good player. So plz, go back 2 melee !!!
Ur combos are the first good combos I see in brawl though ^^
BSeeD06 3 years ago
yo mofat, you can ask thashogun, i have really good DI, i know how to get out of combos. but people can predict your form of DI and punish it. thats all i have to say. thashogun is agreat player
Looc105 3 years ago
you made your opponents look like scrubs haha good stuff... the future always outlives the past like brawl on melee
unavailblename 3 years ago
And another thing, I like brawl, I play it when someone else wants to play it, and sometimes over wifi(Even though lag makes actual skill impossible) but honestly, You will NEVER see a pro brawler(Like azen, pchris) get caught in one of these combos, because they know what DI IS! and because they just wont go rushing into the opponents obvious trap like all of these guys.. *Huff huff* ok im out of breath from ranting so much
Mofat 3 years ago
lolz, calm. I know brawl cant combo to well. I doubt well see anything like the ken combo in brawl. but then again, that was the only major combo it had, the rest was opponents falling for tricks. We just called it mind games rather than being stupid. and brawl does indeed have combos, just nothing longer than 4 seconds, but you dont generally need. Robs gtoss fthrow usmash will kill at 70% if the top connects. Sorry, i was being a jackass earlier, i needed my ranting moment 2.
ruekaen 3 years ago
Well this comment is somewhat true, how many times have you seen a pro smasher (pc chris, azen) get caught in about any combos that didn't from from a mindgame? I mean if they were getting any form of combo'd it was from a tech chase or something that involved switch of their opponents game. And in Brawl, you have to be a lot better at that too pull off anything sexy. The game is still new me thinks, and I feel more ways of getting around it will be found out.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
Brawl does NOT have potentiol.. it never did. Start camping and all these so called combo's and advanced techniques do you no good whatsoever
Mofat 3 years ago
quit complaining complaining cuz you can't play the game, bitch.
Adapt or die.
ruekaen 3 years ago
Lulz noob, stop wishing brawl was good. all the "combos" in brawl are are people being stupid and runnning into your attacks, oh wanna brawl an see what this person who "Cant play the game" wipe the floor with you?
Mofat 3 years ago
Nah they possible, I'm living proof it can be done on campers, just no update videos of me yet. And I think you miss the biggest part of what I'm saying in this video, and that's Mindgames. Camping is camping, but once you on the inside, only camping you can do is block or roll back, which can also be countered. And if you attack, then that's not camping then is it, and that can be countered. It's about who you know than what you know in brawl from what I've seen.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
Ok, never mind
ChaosGShadowX 3 years ago
ay, what songs are on this vid?
ChaosGShadowX 3 years ago
how the flying fuck.... are you cancelling -_-
bastain123 3 years ago
yeah believe me id know, his mario is that fast but mine is gettin there. you dont want to play his mario unless your good
Looc105 3 years ago
great video...i got some good mario tips off of this
afrothundah87 3 years ago
hey tha shogun..you play brawl right? if so can you pm me your brawl code?
EvilShinGouki 3 years ago
yep that mario is cool
Jolly2Lolly 3 years ago
wow, he actually that fast? that mario is crazy and sick! lol. 5/5
OverlordRoy 3 years ago 2
I agree :)
ZeroX2Fire 3 years ago
Your video changed my mind.
I thought they neutered smash with brawl, trying to get more sales to the casual gamers (what the wii, imo is based on). Melee was just the way to go.
But yeah, I see Brawl's potential now. Great vid. 5/5.
<3
RoieTRS 3 years ago
mah ears iz bleedings!
soemdude 3 years ago
Lol, I don't know where to laugh or ? at this comment.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
ywah imj trying to be a pro with every one exept ike because hes cheap even though he used to be my favorite but he only is in a 2 or 3 player battle i like c.pc
SSBBchamp1 3 years ago
shogan...
you are absolutely AMAZING man =D!!!
thanks to you i really want to start brawlin again!! great combos, great mindgames, nice rape very good
oh and heres some critique for your video :
you forgot your 5th brawl technique : RAPE!!!
NOSFERATUalu 3 years ago
good job man way to prove that brawl is still well on its way to becoming more and more competative game.I love this vid,
simbiot04 3 years ago
Yea so i loved the video, but there were pretty much no inescapable combo's in the whole thing.
y619925 3 years ago
well thats what we smashers are working on
simbiot04 3 years ago
Yea the combos are alot easier to escape on this game, which is the reason why I say play close attention to "Mindgames" in this vid. Combos in Smash come from a majority of mindgames (even in Melee) and Brawl has the least exception. mindgames, timing, and just having to know your opponent is needed more in Brawl. If done right, you can pull off some nice stuff. When I get a chance, I'll update some more things I found out about the game, but you guys will have to wait when I can :(.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
Yea i didn't really mean to come off offensive, but honestly, the new airdodge and shield mechanics make combo's only things of fairy tails. btw fuck sakurai and his lack of hitstun. i mean come on, you get kicked in the face by a fucking gorilla, your not getting up for a while.
y619925 3 years ago
Lol yea it sucks which makes you have to work harder for a victory. I do love the character balance awhole lot more though. They really balanced the characters out alot more than on Melee.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
1st song?
Looc105 3 years ago 2
It's called Ebla by E.S. Posthumus.
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
I never understood why people don't like Brawl. The game is so fun, whether you're a pro or not. In all three games, each one has just gotten better. The fact that you can air dodge multiple times really allows so much more defensive options that wasn't allowed in Melee. Single player is obviously so much more in depth and really gives the game incredible amounts of replay value. SSE, in my opinion, is decent, but hell - it's exponentially better than Adventure mode!
grandpaegg 3 years ago
more defensive options = bad.
the fact that a tournament match can turn into a campfest makes the game boring to watch at times.
I love this video though.
DJpwn1423 3 years ago
I haven't seen any campfest tourneys yet, are they frequent?
grandpaegg 3 years ago
Your Mario is just plain the scary. The only other Mario I've seen that good is the one that godssbb (the name he uses on youtube) uses.
Fatmanonice 3 years ago
agreed
simbiot04 3 years ago
cool combo vids wish there was a one section samus part trying to learn again
bfn23 3 years ago
your samus and pit are untouchable
Looc105 3 years ago
not bad. thanks for putting this one up
KingKumaForever 3 years ago
And 1 more thing i'd like to add.
This game will probably ALWAYS end up requiring more PATIENCE than melee.
Especially since 70% of all combos in brawl are able to be broken out of or DI'd. So i guess mindgames are more essential... unless there are certain characters that may have unbelievable advantages. But i guess we'll play it out until we find the game out... and i'm not missing out on this brawl experience! Me and my cuz got into the melee competitive scene 3 years late. NEVER AGAIN!
Shaeman111 3 years ago
Yeah i agree, it does make a good example for undecided players, or people who just listen to the popular people. Like my friend who only hung out with "Brawl haters",so he instantly hated brawl. As soon as he got in the game he became astonished and inspired, and soon, broke away from his "group" and started his own little crew. Though i think he got the wrong idea because he quit melee and claims the game is "rigged",and he's kind of horrid at brawl, still, i'm fascinated by people's opinions.
Shaeman111 3 years ago
Wow this is like the only SSBB video I like. This doesnt change my likings though. Just that it can actually take some skill to play brawl.
lilrhan12 3 years ago
I feel the same way about combos. It is about being able to space yourself and predict your opponent so well that they can't land a hit.
I posted a video response if you don't mind of a nice combo where I did just that. He had no chance to stop it.
kupo150 3 years ago
That's EXACTLY the right idea I am implying in this video. Brawl is more about knowing your opponent than knowing technical aspects. The first 20 seconds of your video is what I was trying to portray in this video. You read your opponent like a book those first 20 seconds and got some serious damage out of it, good job. ^_^
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
thanks, not to mention the kill ^-^ But since it is impossible to know all of your opponents style you are facing in a tournament at a personal level, I guess it refers to knowledge about general tendencies of that character.
Then your second round, you have an good idea of the opponents individual style as well to combo them well.
kupo150 3 years ago
That was a nice DK combo. I also realized that brawls combo game is even more of a reaction game than melee was because of the limited hitstun.
If you try to combo aggressively like melee, it won't work because they will air dodge or hit you. Instead, taking that extra second to see what they will do helps a lot. If they decide to air dodge or attack and you are not in range, there is a couple of frames where they are vulnerable mo matter what.
kupo150 3 years ago
You can also use your character tendancies against your opponent to your advantage. For example, one of Pit's well known combos is Down throw to Up air. Good players will expect the the Up air after a throw.
My friends used to always dodge the Up air so I decided to be less aggressive and it payed off like in my video.
kupo150 3 years ago
I like to wait that split second after the throw to see what they do and they most like air dodge expecting the Uair so I wait for them to come back down and re grab them. That could fall into place of mindgames but that is just what I have noticed about comboing in brawl.
kupo150 3 years ago
That is most definitely the step in the right direction. ^_^
ThaShogun12 3 years ago
6:30 shows why I believe.... Pit is the cheepest character... not hard to Edgehog...
PhoeniXPimP411 3 years ago
Try playing against a retard who only knows C-stick and side-B.
Yeah...
yeah...
brb, need to go kill some children.
MEDNUB 3 years ago
LoL... That side B move is overrated but annoying...
PhoeniXPimP411 3 years ago
This vid was truely inspirational. The world needs more vids like this to show players that Brawl can still be competitive. Melee is too hard for most players and like 10 years old. Fact is Brawl is more balanced and if that means no more 0 to death combos then good ridence melee. Keep it up man, this vid rocks.
Merck1 3 years ago
Yeah I like the vid... if ur not great at a game then MAN UP AND GET GOOD... kus in a lil while Ima get my video and Show some PWNage... and NO I'm not the best brawl player yet... but Ima keep tryin to be the best...
PhoeniXPimP411 3 years ago
Good stuff with Mario; I've never seen a good Brawl Mario before, so it was an eye-opening experience. The video was good overall; I didn't have any problems with the music, unlike the other views. Keep on Brawling!
I was sad that Ike was the main punching bag though :(. (Ike main here lolz.)
metroid1117 3 years ago
just because "anyone" can play doesn't mean "anyone" can master it.
You brawl haters need to remember that!
CannedJam 3 years ago 3
90% of those combo could've/would've been stopped by airdodging. And since airdodging is much less punishable, coupled with the nearly nonexistent hitstun and a completely broken shield system, aggressive offensive play is much less pratical making true combos very scarce. Oh yeah melee will always have more/better mindgames becuase you always have more general options. To say brawl uses more mindgames implies that it is dependent on them . . . which is a bad thing!
hcdangerfield211 3 years ago
I SO AGREE! OMFG ALL MY FRIENDS SAY "Brawl cant combo, not as intense as melee" SCREW THAT!! Im gonna make them watch this!
somerandommofo 3 years ago
Awesome! They wouldn't all work so well vs. characters with good recovery though. Ivysaur and Ike anre easy to beat once they're offstage.
DarkAce2008 3 years ago
Olimar also....
PhoeniXPimP411 3 years ago
I really liked it, but it was a bit long and some of the clips could be taken out. Overall good job though.
pachiclonso 3 years ago
music in the middles was so bad my ears bled
dark cloud 2 music at the end though was a good touch
itlnsqrl 3 years ago
OMG this video its made of pure WIN, good work, i always taught that brawl was better from the start, i like more the new engine, thanks to the engine i have a new challenge, to master this new engine, keeping the things like the Melee one would be boring, it would be like melee with more characters and better graphics
LucasGaspar 3 years ago
Nintendo is fully aware of how people generally played Melee,and reguardless on how many tournments you went to,most just didnt played Melee that way.Thats why Brawl is "slowed down".Remember that N64 motto "Get N or get out"? Sounds like some one should take that advice instead of protesting the same shit over and over about how this game isnt complexed and when the casual that played the pervious version seen major improvments..
zeokenX 3 years ago
So? Your statment alone shows that you dont care for this game,so why bother even posting?Something has to be on you chest if your gonna spend time to write a another "Melee technical than Brawl" post,thats so 2 months ago bro,trust me.And for starters,the majority dont give a rats ass for advanced techs and if they did? THEY WOULD BE IN BRAWL.Nintendo is not siding with tournment mindsets/"metagame" with the Wii,it seems many have forgotten that so quick its not even funny.
zeokenX 3 years ago
OMG HE COMBOED WITH THE KNEE!!! i didnt think it was possible lol
Wow, this guy makes it look like melee.
Hes real good
OverlordRoy 3 years ago
that was pretty amazing! anyway, even the tripping isnt a big problem. ok its random and stuff, but because of the mindgames aspact, ur not in a bad game position everytime u trip. the game is totaly different to melee, its defensive. u guys should think about it. u still need skill to win matches.
ironblade 3 years ago