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So much bitterness amongst each other. If we all feel that we are "Kings", Lets try following the path of King of Wu : "The Tao of the true king (must be) to generously love his people."
So much bitterness amongst each other. If we all feel that we are "Kings", Lets try following the path of King of Wu : "The Tao of the true king (must be) to generously love his people."
So much bitterness amongst each other. If we all feel that we are "Kings", Lets try following the path of King of Wu : "The Tao of the true king (must be) to generously love his people."
Sun tzu's principles were used by great generals in the past and by most generals today and in the future to. It contain the best principles and strategy that none can match.
Sun Tzu.....For many reasons I find alot of different war generals better Adolf Hitler(German) Alexander the Great(Macedonian) Vlad the Impaler(Romanian) Eisenhower(American) King Phillip III(Macedonian) Pericles(Greek-Athens) Xerxes(Persian) Julias Ceasar(Roman) Charlemagne(Frankish) Belisarius(Byzantine) Joan of Arc(French) Germanicus(Roman) George Washington(American) David Hackworth(American) Khalid ibn al-Walid(Quraysh)
Sun Tzu.....For many reasons I find alot of different war generals better Adolf Hitler(German) Alexander the Great(Macedonian) Vlad the Impaler(Romanian) Eisenhower(American) King Phillip III(Macedonian) Pericles(Greek-Athens) Xerxes(Persian) Julias Ceasar(Roman) Charlemagne(Frankish) Belisarius(Byzantine) Joan of Arc(French) Germanicus(Roman) George Washington(American) David Hackworth(American) Khalid ibn al-Walid(Quraysh)
@tokarski21 Khalid ibn al-Walid is the best general of all time hands down. He won 100 battles and he was outnumbered at all of them. HE IS UNDEFEATED!!!
he wassen't a great general by the time the allies recaptured north Afrike he became more and more insane.
plz mssage me wy you think hitler was a good general, btw i do think he was a good politician being able to get a entire country behind him and stay behind him until the end
@wrathfullcape He had great strategies,his army was unstoppable,until it tried to attack Russia.(Same problem with Napoleon.) Also everyone was intimidated by the Nazi's. Japan was a powerful ally to Germany. Italy was a decent one. Wasn't that powerful though,It needed Nazis help to take over North Africa. The Nazi's killed over 11 MILLION JEWS ALONE!!!!! The Art of War was the only thing that made Sun Tzu a great general.
@Commando447 Sun Tzu would be disgusted that his teachings would be learned by corrupt men with bad intentions. Sun Tzu was a man of honor, more than the majority of generals and strategists today. The man only fought in war for the sake of his own country. I doubt Sun Tzu would approve of any of the generals you mentioned in your previous statement. Sun Tzu disappeared after his victory in Chu, because he realized the general he helped was as corrupt as the one he fought to overthrow.
Actually, Hitler's generals, not Hitler himself were the great strategists. Hitler blew some opportunities by interfering with his generals' decisions.(examples of great Nazi generals were Erwin Rommel and Fedor von Bock). Hitler himself was not much of a military genius....
@Commando447 . The art of war book is sold by more than any other war strategy book in history , google it for yourself if you don't believe. The generals you mentioned were so great right but why do 90 percent of generals use suntzu tactics instead? The generals you mentioned most of them read suntzu principles.
@Commando447 ??? you honestly think hitler was a great general?? try reading a book. his poor strategic/tactical decisions were part of the reason germany lost WW2. it was the other generals under his command that were responsible German's amazing victories
Really? You find Adolf Hitler a better general than Sun Tzu? I don't understand, in what way? Militarily speaking, Adolf Hitler was one of the absolute *worst* generals in history. His generals did all the work, documenting extensively how lazy and inefficient Adolf Hitler was. As an Orator, shaker-and-mover, and motivator Hitler's skill is undeniable. But a better general than Sun Tzu? I can't comprehend why.
@Commando447 hitlers winning was due to blitzkreig, he has horrible tactics. alexander the great i would say was second best all time. sun tsu is best
@Commando447 You call them better than Sun Tzu? Are you out of your mind? They were taught by his work, and you can put all those idiots in one group against Sun Tzu, they would stand no chance, he was a greatest mastermind of military, deal with it...
@Commando447 just them and no one else? what sort of comment is that, regurgitating a load of historical figures, if your trying to emulate intelligence you failed, you just seem like a limited dick head
Since I was born and lived in China for a long time, as far as I know from the history book. The first follower of Sun Tzu is Cao Cao, who is the most powerful warlord in north China at about 200AD. He wrote a book to explain Sun Tzu's work in detail however he also criticized some. At that period, the most powerful warlords in south China are actually Sun Tzu's offsprings (Sun Jian, Sun Ce and Sun Quan). Also Cao Cao and Sun Quan formed their own kingdoms in a later time.
sun tzu was real. i was with him and after we won the war he went and wrote the book and i stabed him to death. then i went and sold the books to alot of other people
Your a piece of crap Master Sun Tzu has changed my life dramactically.I learned life lessons over a matter of hours and I can't believe a book did that.
Earn some bucks?? this guy wrote it over 2000 years ago, and he wrote it to get a rank in the kingdom of Wu. How would he earn some bucks? He later improved his book and it was passed down through families. He didn't sell em you dummass.
Not true, if it's so called "bull crap" then tell me why all of the issues addressed in the scripts can be applied to modern warfare easily? Why is it that "Clausewitz On War" is such a failure of leadership and why did WWII, Vietnam, and China all end as foundering shit storms for NAZIs, Americans, and Chinese Nationalists?
Ssu-ma Chien's Shih Chi (Historical Records) is actually a generally reliable source; the Sun Tzu section is one of the few that have been doubted. Possibly Ssu-ma himself did not have much to work with.
Personally I agree with Samuel B. Griffith (I have his translation, I find it the best) and believe it was written between 400 and 300 BC, in the Warring States period, later than Ssu-ma states. The references to crossbows and certain states, but not cavalry (common by 300 BC) make that clear.
USMC General Griffith translation is UNESCO the reference in Chinese classics.
"To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill". "To subdue the nennemy without battle is the acme of skill". English "to subsue" commes from low latin "subdere" becoming in ancient French "soduire" giving to modern "séduire", "soudoyer" and English "to seduce". From William of Normandy, the Plantagenet and Eleanor of aquitaine, English is the most french of germanic speeches.
I t was first introduced to western world in French translation in 1772. Napoleon was said to be the follower of the book and always kept it at his side.
Other followers includes just about all samurai warlord from 1400 to 1600( and no doubt Imperial Japan). Mao Zedong of China, Vo Nguen of North Vietnam, general Schwarzkopf, general MacArthur.
Sun Tzu was not a ninja, ninja's are spies and assassins, old school special forces. Sun Tzu is a debatable legendary figure considered the Author of the "Sun Tzu" or in the west "The Art Of War". It's a military strategy master work written on bamboo before christ was born in ancient china during the warring states period.
I read a small part of this book the other day, and if it was not for the book being not owned by me i would of read it all. So i guess i will read it online.
It's a good read but understanding the basics of Daoism will help understand the art of war. If your interested in a more understandable, modern piece of work look for "The 48 LAWS of POWER" Great book.
They do know that the person who wrote the Art of War led the final fight against the Shu armies. They also think that the Art of War book, is a collection of the legendary Sun familys battles. Considering the Sun's founded the Wu empire, and was highly known back in ancient times. Look up Sun Jian, Sun Ce, and Sun Quan, and you will see what I mean, hopes that helps
"There is no instance in a nation benefitting prolonged warfare." So I assume what the meaning of the verse is, the longer the battle proceeds- the scarce and insufficient food and weapons will be. But subduing your foe "without" fighting? Hmm. That's a tough one; can you talk sense into that person or provoke fear?
I have to admit a personal bias in showing those quotes to promote my feelings. I'm sure there are many ways a reader can interpret them, and that's part of the mystique surrounding 'The Art of War'.
There is no goal in prolonged warfare for it's own sake, if it is impractical then only ruin can follow for those exercising it. Confician thought is all about being practical. The non-combat parts are Taoist - they operate on principals like Tai Chi, you use your opponents force against them, and you yourself do things like avoid but stand firm, and use their physics (eg lunge forces) against them.
There are many ways to win a war without sending an army in, some are akin to Machiavellian.
I got the impression that Tzu was more moral, but I'm mostly basing that on 'popular' views of Machiavelli - I've read a lot of the Taoist and Eastern texts but not so much the Western.
(Interesting tidbit - apparently the concept of a restaurant came from China, and noodle-shaped pasta came from noodles.)
ie - the Tzu advice is based on an underlying spiritual correctness, but the others were centered around 'what's best for us' and not as much how that would affect everything else.
That's the "win-win" strategy for the benefit of all by negociations, dissua sions, persuasion, seduction. MAD Strategy was one Mutual Assured Destruction promise or dissuasion.
Take Note that the Ninjas follow the Philosophies of Sun Tzus Art of war. Its like its their Bible for their Life and survival. Deception, Espionage, The use of spies were all Originated in Sun Tzus Text. The ninjas applied those techniques in their missions. we all know that some ninja skills came from china.
Possibly just my take, but the Samurai is very different from the Confucian (and Tao-following) war strategy of this book. The Budo is more like a code for behaviour, whereas the Art of War is more about adapting to various situations - all situations are outlined in the I Ching. Ninjas, as someone else mentioned, were usually assassins available for hire in Japan, sometimes associated with specific families. So yes more like Hashishans and Templars in some regards.
Ninjas weren't assassins,some may be but they useally were rejected samurais and poor peasants and farmers who learned martial arts from the rejected samurais and some chinese monks who visit japan.
Well, ninja's are assassins in the history books I've read, which are just normal 'regular reality as taught in degree courses etc' history books. In case you think I based it on videogame opening sequences or some shit like that.
Maybe a mixture of mercenary + outlaw is also a better description, though some official clan houses did have ninja units that were associated to them.
Todays ninjas are the folks that 'take people out' and make it seem like natural causes etc in politics and the like.
Its according to the shapes , that I lay the plans for victory, but the multitude cannot comprehend this , although everyone can see the outward aspects , none know the ways in which I have created victory . :)
yeaaa....rite lets not admit the fact that there was a master strategist around eastern part of the world.... and rewrite the history as want as usuall.... nyycccccc
In the modern times,China copys Japan,but in the ancient times,Japan copys China.Japan reserved a lot of lost ancient Chinese culture,you can still see Tang Dynasty(618AD-907AD)style temples in Kyoto.Japanese hate modern China,but they admire ancient China,they also admire ancient Chinese heros,such as Sun Tzu,Mun Then Hiang,etc.That's why you can find Sun Tzu in Japanese books.
First of all,to understand who is Sun Tsu,you need to understand one thing,Ancient China was a super power.Maybe modern day China looks ugly,but Ancient China was the US in the ancient world.
I can tell you guys an easy way to determine that Sun Tzu is not a ninja,he is a Chinese war strategist.Just look at his name,it's a typical Chinese name,his name is Sun Wu.I will show you some Japanese names: Takeshiro,Takahashi,Honda,they are totally different from Sun Wu.
Those guys are like the guys in Kung Fu movies that keep on saying the wrong things on purpose, until the Master comes in and slaps them. Clearly, Sun Tzu isn't a ninja, I don't know why anyone would get the idea he was. In terms of what a ninja is, in The Art of War will be explanations of how to use 'ninja units', though obviously they wouldn't be named as ninja's.
how can u rule out that he's not a ninja?.... no one knows who the real sun tzu was.He coulda been a bumb on the street who had plenty of time on his hands to write up a book!
Japanese will laugh at you because Sun Tzu is an ancient Chinese war strategist; Chinese will laugh at you because Sun Tzu is not a ninja.Both Japanese and Chinese know their history very well.You should stick with western history,East Asian history needs high IQ to be understood,obviously you don't have it.
If you think Sun Tzu is a ninja,that's your problem.But I just want to tell you one thing: both japanese and chinese will laugh at you if you say that sun tzu is a ninja.
Sun Tzu is an ancient Chinese war strategist,he is not a ninja,it seems that many western people can not distinguish ancient Chinese history and Japanese history.
in my opinion ninja is a hidden,silent,secret and underground movement or association which responsible in spying,espionages,robbery,scouting,assassination,m essenger of important document or maybe even as bodyguard of person or an important item/document..for me ninja are more like knight of templar,hashashin,inthipathi,order of white lotus which also a secret association
Nice, can't wait for your Ninja Lost History episode. It's a childhood fantasy I don't I will ever grow out of, nor the internet and it's age old Ninja vs Pirate wars and Real Ultimate Power. Of course those aren't really the origin, even origin stories aren't really the origin, such as developing from opressed farmers, or decendents from Tengu mythology. But you could always Ask a Ninja.
I Really love your vids I can't wait to see a new history videos from you I'm a sucker for history.could please make a video of the missing years of jesus or the lost army cambysesII
The missing years of Jesus truly are 'Lost History', and I don't know what I could ever find. I hear Anne Rice has attempted an interesting fictional version of that time. Cambyses II and his lost army, however, sounds like something I should look into. Thanks for the suggestion.
It isn't uncommon for writers to use pen names, it's a good way to prevent people from fining out who you really are. I haven't read The Art of War yet, but I think there is a copy laying around the house some where. It might make an interesting read during this windy winters afternoon.
Thanks for making this tribute to General Tzu. I've studied his essays concerning the Art of War, and applied what was learned, for at least 35 years. When I was 15 my after school job was sweeping halls and cleaning rooms at a local college each night. Hope the materials I used to print hundreds of booklets including Sun Tzu's teaching weren't missed. Distributed for free, my intentions were to help others to learn to learn. Perhaps you can understand that ;) Thanks for the great videos!
i bet when sun tzu played pokemon he used the move foresight most
nachoskater44 2 months ago
"Befriend thy enemy, then stab him in the back." - Sun Tzu.
kungfusithlord 2 months ago
nice video thanks for sharing very interesting .. god bless
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TheServiceWeb 6 months ago
Check out this animated chapter from the book (the mind of a leader - the art of war).
alibenhaal 9 months ago
MY art of war is a rapid fire modded controller.
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So much bitterness amongst each other. If we all feel that we are "Kings", Lets try following the path of King of Wu : "The Tao of the true king (must be) to generously love his people."
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So much bitterness amongst each other. If we all feel that we are "Kings", Lets try following the path of King of Wu : "The Tao of the true king (must be) to generously love his people."
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So much bitterness amongst each other. If we all feel that we are "Kings", Lets try following the path of King of Wu : "The Tao of the true king (must be) to generously love his people."
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1warriorclass1 1 year ago
The ARt of Wars philosophies and theories are correct.
it's fact.
Alexander the great, Napoleone, Hannibal, Saladin... etc they all have the same tactics and strategies that Sun Tzu has written.
and these generals NEVER knew who Sun Tzu was.
Genius
juliusyeung0330 1 year ago
Sun tzu's principles were used by great generals in the past and by most generals today and in the future to. It contain the best principles and strategy that none can match.
fire123w 1 year ago
nice video
Foodforwisdom 1 year ago
@Foodforwisdom Thanks!
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Commando447 1 year ago
Commando447 1 year ago
@Commando447 ...but how many of them read Sun Tzu?
tokarski21 1 year ago 11
@tokarski21 Khalid ibn al-Walid is the best general of all time hands down. He won 100 battles and he was outnumbered at all of them. HE IS UNDEFEATED!!!
Commando447 1 year ago
@tokarski21 I'm not sure but I think most of them didn't,but now that I am smarter I know more!
General Macarthur(American) Ulysses.S.Grant(American)General Lee(Confederate)
Tojo(Japanese) Joseph Stalin(Russian) Napoleon(French)
Commando447 1 year ago
@tokarski21 the truest statement!
ahmonrah40 9 months ago
@Commando447 wy is hitler better?
he wassen't a great general by the time the allies recaptured north Afrike he became more and more insane.
plz mssage me wy you think hitler was a good general, btw i do think he was a good politician being able to get a entire country behind him and stay behind him until the end
wrathfullcape 1 year ago
@wrathfullcape He had great strategies,his army was unstoppable,until it tried to attack Russia.(Same problem with Napoleon.) Also everyone was intimidated by the Nazi's. Japan was a powerful ally to Germany. Italy was a decent one. Wasn't that powerful though,It needed Nazis help to take over North Africa. The Nazi's killed over 11 MILLION JEWS ALONE!!!!! The Art of War was the only thing that made Sun Tzu a great general.
Commando447 1 year ago
@Commando447 first mistakes is human so don't feel stupid ;)
2ond The Art of War was the only thing that made Sun Tzu a great general.
the best generals that lived, lived by the rules of the art of war so by the rules of sun tzu that's what makes him great and the best
wrathfullcape 1 year ago
@Commando447 Sun Tzu would be disgusted that his teachings would be learned by corrupt men with bad intentions. Sun Tzu was a man of honor, more than the majority of generals and strategists today. The man only fought in war for the sake of his own country. I doubt Sun Tzu would approve of any of the generals you mentioned in your previous statement. Sun Tzu disappeared after his victory in Chu, because he realized the general he helped was as corrupt as the one he fought to overthrow.
Sun6Tzu 1 year ago
@wrathfullcape I was saying Nazi's instead of Adolf Hitler and the nazis.........I feel stupid now.
Commando447 1 year ago
@wrathfullcape
Actually, Hitler's generals, not Hitler himself were the great strategists. Hitler blew some opportunities by interfering with his generals' decisions.(examples of great Nazi generals were Erwin Rommel and Fedor von Bock). Hitler himself was not much of a military genius....
j4allen 1 year ago
@Commando447 . The art of war book is sold by more than any other war strategy book in history , google it for yourself if you don't believe. The generals you mentioned were so great right but why do 90 percent of generals use suntzu tactics instead? The generals you mentioned most of them read suntzu principles.
fire123w 1 year ago
@Commando447
are u fucking stupid. george washington was terrible
mypenisonurvag 1 year ago
@Commando447 wasnt vlad actually prussian not roman?
6igkilla66 1 year ago
@Commando447 wasnt vlad actually prussian not roman?but it was pretty funy how the punny viet cong defeated the us by using one of his techniques
6igkilla66 1 year ago
@Commando447 ??? you honestly think hitler was a great general?? try reading a book. his poor strategic/tactical decisions were part of the reason germany lost WW2. it was the other generals under his command that were responsible German's amazing victories
brooklyn560 1 year ago
@Commando447
Really? You find Adolf Hitler a better general than Sun Tzu? I don't understand, in what way? Militarily speaking, Adolf Hitler was one of the absolute *worst* generals in history. His generals did all the work, documenting extensively how lazy and inefficient Adolf Hitler was. As an Orator, shaker-and-mover, and motivator Hitler's skill is undeniable. But a better general than Sun Tzu? I can't comprehend why.
GambitFox79 6 months ago
@Commando447 hitlers winning was due to blitzkreig, he has horrible tactics. alexander the great i would say was second best all time. sun tsu is best
d3ltadrive 2 months ago
@Commando447 You call them better than Sun Tzu? Are you out of your mind? They were taught by his work, and you can put all those idiots in one group against Sun Tzu, they would stand no chance, he was a greatest mastermind of military, deal with it...
GuitarDestroyer77777 2 months ago
@Commando447 just them and no one else? what sort of comment is that, regurgitating a load of historical figures, if your trying to emulate intelligence you failed, you just seem like a limited dick head
finly42 1 month ago
Since I was born and lived in China for a long time, as far as I know from the history book. The first follower of Sun Tzu is Cao Cao, who is the most powerful warlord in north China at about 200AD. He wrote a book to explain Sun Tzu's work in detail however he also criticized some. At that period, the most powerful warlords in south China are actually Sun Tzu's offsprings (Sun Jian, Sun Ce and Sun Quan). Also Cao Cao and Sun Quan formed their own kingdoms in a later time.
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sun tzu was real. i was with him and after we won the war he went and wrote the book and i stabed him to death. then i went and sold the books to alot of other people
lifes40123 1 year ago
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seriously i can beat sun tzu's ass in a war
lifes40123 1 year ago
@lifes40123 haha i can allready tell your up your own ass
Landofwoads 1 year ago
Read and think carefully before you jump to the conclusion about Sun-Tzi.
Thanks for taking my advise!
egpgodess 2 years ago
i can beat sun tzu's ass in a war.
lifes40123 2 years ago
good luck u goof cuz u will need it.hahahahahahahahahahahaha
staticx76 1 year ago
sun tsu said that XD
shadowseer92 2 years ago
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'sun tzu is overrated, and it's so called enlightened knowledge is basic human instinct.... clearly a quick way for the author to earn some bucks.'
Avoid this book, it's some space age bull crap.
ikbosje 2 years ago
Your a piece of crap Master Sun Tzu has changed my life dramactically.I learned life lessons over a matter of hours and I can't believe a book did that.
Illyphillyphil 2 years ago
I love it, I keep re-reading it over and over again.
yoyuepz 2 years ago
Earn some bucks?? this guy wrote it over 2000 years ago, and he wrote it to get a rank in the kingdom of Wu. How would he earn some bucks? He later improved his book and it was passed down through families. He didn't sell em you dummass.
mrbeate 2 years ago
Not true, if it's so called "bull crap" then tell me why all of the issues addressed in the scripts can be applied to modern warfare easily? Why is it that "Clausewitz On War" is such a failure of leadership and why did WWII, Vietnam, and China all end as foundering shit storms for NAZIs, Americans, and Chinese Nationalists?
bakathirteen 2 years ago
Ssu-ma Chien's Shih Chi (Historical Records) is actually a generally reliable source; the Sun Tzu section is one of the few that have been doubted. Possibly Ssu-ma himself did not have much to work with.
Personally I agree with Samuel B. Griffith (I have his translation, I find it the best) and believe it was written between 400 and 300 BC, in the Warring States period, later than Ssu-ma states. The references to crossbows and certain states, but not cavalry (common by 300 BC) make that clear.
KraljevicPavle 2 years ago
You seem to know your chinese history.Nice to find another person who does.
Illyphillyphil 2 years ago
USMC General Griffith translation is UNESCO the reference in Chinese classics.
"To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill". "To subdue the nennemy without battle is the acme of skill". English "to subsue" commes from low latin "subdere" becoming in ancient French "soduire" giving to modern "séduire", "soudoyer" and English "to seduce". From William of Normandy, the Plantagenet and Eleanor of aquitaine, English is the most french of germanic speeches.
slomoschon2000 2 years ago
u suck bad dogg...
tatutiz777 2 years ago
I t was first introduced to western world in French translation in 1772. Napoleon was said to be the follower of the book and always kept it at his side.
Other followers includes just about all samurai warlord from 1400 to 1600( and no doubt Imperial Japan). Mao Zedong of China, Vo Nguen of North Vietnam, general Schwarzkopf, general MacArthur.
That's an awful convincing endorsement.
allgoo19 2 years ago 2
Thanks for the info.
tokarski21 2 years ago 2
@allgoo19 I heard that Alexander the Great had a copy of this book too.
lhoxung 1 year ago
@allgoo19 West Point use the art of war.
juliusyeung0330 1 year ago
Sun Tzu was not a ninja, ninja's are spies and assassins, old school special forces. Sun Tzu is a debatable legendary figure considered the Author of the "Sun Tzu" or in the west "The Art Of War". It's a military strategy master work written on bamboo before christ was born in ancient china during the warring states period.
DeathsHand88 2 years ago
I read a small part of this book the other day, and if it was not for the book being not owned by me i would of read it all. So i guess i will read it online.
phillitupp 2 years ago
It's a good read but understanding the basics of Daoism will help understand the art of war. If your interested in a more understandable, modern piece of work look for "The 48 LAWS of POWER" Great book.
DeathsHand88 2 years ago
Thanks, I will look it up.
phillitupp 2 years ago
amazing
=]
SemiticDiscovery 2 years ago
They do know that the person who wrote the Art of War led the final fight against the Shu armies. They also think that the Art of War book, is a collection of the legendary Sun familys battles. Considering the Sun's founded the Wu empire, and was highly known back in ancient times. Look up Sun Jian, Sun Ce, and Sun Quan, and you will see what I mean, hopes that helps
Kain9909 2 years ago
I will. Thanks.
tokarski21 2 years ago
I checked it out more, and I found out that Sun Jian was Sun Tzu's decendant.
Kain9909 2 years ago
RY:
"There is no instance in a nation benefitting prolonged warfare." So I assume what the meaning of the verse is, the longer the battle proceeds- the scarce and insufficient food and weapons will be. But subduing your foe "without" fighting? Hmm. That's a tough one; can you talk sense into that person or provoke fear?
rsgrcg 2 years ago
I have to admit a personal bias in showing those quotes to promote my feelings. I'm sure there are many ways a reader can interpret them, and that's part of the mystique surrounding 'The Art of War'.
tokarski21 2 years ago
There is no goal in prolonged warfare for it's own sake, if it is impractical then only ruin can follow for those exercising it. Confician thought is all about being practical. The non-combat parts are Taoist - they operate on principals like Tai Chi, you use your opponents force against them, and you yourself do things like avoid but stand firm, and use their physics (eg lunge forces) against them.
There are many ways to win a war without sending an army in, some are akin to Machiavellian.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
I agree, Machiavellianism is present in the "Sun Tzu". Obviously Daoism but i've always linked Machiavelli with Tzu.
DeathsHand88 2 years ago
I got the impression that Tzu was more moral, but I'm mostly basing that on 'popular' views of Machiavelli - I've read a lot of the Taoist and Eastern texts but not so much the Western.
(Interesting tidbit - apparently the concept of a restaurant came from China, and noodle-shaped pasta came from noodles.)
ie - the Tzu advice is based on an underlying spiritual correctness, but the others were centered around 'what's best for us' and not as much how that would affect everything else.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
That's the "win-win" strategy for the benefit of all by negociations, dissua sions, persuasion, seduction. MAD Strategy was one Mutual Assured Destruction promise or dissuasion.
slomoschon2000 2 years ago
Lost history ??? u just don't know the history guess ur lost
amen0438 2 years ago
Thank you so much for enlightening me to your superior intellectual skills. Have a great day.
tokarski21 2 years ago
You might want to look up on Sun Bin - possibly a descendant of Sun Tzu. He also had his own treatise on war but is lesser known.
scorael 2 years ago
Very interesting. Thanks for the info.
tokarski21 2 years ago
Its pronounce Sun Zi not Sun "Su" -- Zi meaning like Master. I.E. Master Sun. good docu tho!
Xkluzive 2 years ago
Thanks.
tokarski21 2 years ago
Excellent
krakkaskak 2 years ago
hahaha, how Funny it is when he pronouces the name of Sun Tzu! hahaha....
Yvesyew 2 years ago
Lord Rothschild is upset that we all have read Sun Tzu.
Go F yourself you genocidal psychopathic maniac!
1776isBACK 2 years ago
i never understood why sun tzu was in the game rome total war
histatimaniples 2 years ago
i huess the first thing would be to learn to pronouce the guy's name.
under the Wade-Giles system of romanizing chinese "tzu" is pronounced "Zi" like a "z" sound in english with a short vowel sound at the end.
in modern mandarin, the guys name is pronounced "Sunzi".
and there are so many translations of "the art of war" (Sunzi Bing Fa) that it is difficult to pick one.
jhavlin1 2 years ago
Take Note that the Ninjas follow the Philosophies of Sun Tzus Art of war. Its like its their Bible for their Life and survival. Deception, Espionage, The use of spies were all Originated in Sun Tzus Text. The ninjas applied those techniques in their missions. we all know that some ninja skills came from china.
sydeman2000 2 years ago
there is a great movie about this subject. i'ts called "Ghost dog the way of the samurai" you really should watch this movie!!!
RNLAFDonkey 2 years ago
Possibly just my take, but the Samurai is very different from the Confucian (and Tao-following) war strategy of this book. The Budo is more like a code for behaviour, whereas the Art of War is more about adapting to various situations - all situations are outlined in the I Ching. Ninjas, as someone else mentioned, were usually assassins available for hire in Japan, sometimes associated with specific families. So yes more like Hashishans and Templars in some regards.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Ninjas weren't assassins,some may be but they useally were rejected samurais and poor peasants and farmers who learned martial arts from the rejected samurais and some chinese monks who visit japan.
fatmanontherun 2 years ago
Well, ninja's are assassins in the history books I've read, which are just normal 'regular reality as taught in degree courses etc' history books. In case you think I based it on videogame opening sequences or some shit like that.
Maybe a mixture of mercenary + outlaw is also a better description, though some official clan houses did have ninja units that were associated to them.
Todays ninjas are the folks that 'take people out' and make it seem like natural causes etc in politics and the like.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Does this mean I'm a Ninja??
1chichimec1 2 years ago
huh?I don't know you but ninjas today are called special forces or and swat officers.
fatmanontherun 2 years ago
Its according to the shapes , that I lay the plans for victory, but the multitude cannot comprehend this , although everyone can see the outward aspects , none know the ways in which I have created victory . :)
Loyal801 2 years ago
He didnt say sun tzu was a ninja. He said he was researching ninja and ran across sun tzu and the art of war.
Tbone972 3 years ago 8
yeaaa....rite lets not admit the fact that there was a master strategist around eastern part of the world.... and rewrite the history as want as usuall.... nyycccccc
Renegade121 3 years ago
But don't be confused,Sun Tzu was a famous ancient Chinese War Strategist who lived during the Warring States period,2500 years ago.
VivalaChina 3 years ago
In the modern times,China copys Japan,but in the ancient times,Japan copys China.Japan reserved a lot of lost ancient Chinese culture,you can still see Tang Dynasty(618AD-907AD)style temples in Kyoto.Japanese hate modern China,but they admire ancient China,they also admire ancient Chinese heros,such as Sun Tzu,Mun Then Hiang,etc.That's why you can find Sun Tzu in Japanese books.
VivalaChina 3 years ago
First of all,to understand who is Sun Tsu,you need to understand one thing,Ancient China was a super power.Maybe modern day China looks ugly,but Ancient China was the US in the ancient world.
VivalaChina 3 years ago
no Rome was the US in the ancient world
histatimaniples 2 years ago
Sun Tzu was a musketeer
Azner2254 3 years ago
No he wasn't. Read up on your history.
SmileBit299 3 years ago
I can tell you guys an easy way to determine that Sun Tzu is not a ninja,he is a Chinese war strategist.Just look at his name,it's a typical Chinese name,his name is Sun Wu.I will show you some Japanese names: Takeshiro,Takahashi,Honda,they are totally different from Sun Wu.
VivalaChina 3 years ago
Those guys are like the guys in Kung Fu movies that keep on saying the wrong things on purpose, until the Master comes in and slaps them. Clearly, Sun Tzu isn't a ninja, I don't know why anyone would get the idea he was. In terms of what a ninja is, in The Art of War will be explanations of how to use 'ninja units', though obviously they wouldn't be named as ninja's.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
Saying Sun Tzu is a ninja,it's just as stupid as saying Roman Empire was part of Chinese history.
VivalaChina 3 years ago
You white people don't know anything about ancient East Asian history,stop guessing.
VivalaChina 3 years ago
Go to search on Wikipedia who is Sun Tzu! I don't want to waste my time here.Sun Tzu was a famous ancient Chinese war strategist.
VivalaChina 3 years ago
Who was Sun Tsu?
SmileBit299 3 years ago
It is unlikely that Sun Tzu was a ninja. Examen the subjects about which he wrote. A ninja would not likely deal with issues like negociation.
Steve17010 3 years ago
how can u rule out that he's not a ninja?.... no one knows who the real sun tzu was.He coulda been a bumb on the street who had plenty of time on his hands to write up a book!
itchybumz 3 years ago
Come on,just tell a japanese that Sun Tzu is a ninja,I'm sure that he would say:"This is a funny white jerk."
VivalaChina 3 years ago
Japanese will laugh at you because Sun Tzu is an ancient Chinese war strategist; Chinese will laugh at you because Sun Tzu is not a ninja.Both Japanese and Chinese know their history very well.You should stick with western history,East Asian history needs high IQ to be understood,obviously you don't have it.
VivalaChina 3 years ago
insightful
mvpetri 3 years ago
except for kroean
spike378 3 years ago
If you think Sun Tzu is a ninja,that's your problem.But I just want to tell you one thing: both japanese and chinese will laugh at you if you say that sun tzu is a ninja.
VivalaChina 3 years ago
He lived in China during the Warring States period(473BC to 221BC).
VivalaChina 3 years ago
Sun Tzu is an ancient Chinese war strategist,he is not a ninja,it seems that many western people can not distinguish ancient Chinese history and Japanese history.
VivalaChina 3 years ago
Sun Tzu is a ninja ROFL.
OhMymy 3 years ago
in my opinion ninja is a hidden,silent,secret and underground movement or association which responsible in spying,espionages,robbery,scouting,assassination,m essenger of important document or maybe even as bodyguard of person or an important item/document..for me ninja are more like knight of templar,hashashin,inthipathi,order of white lotus which also a secret association
antazoline 3 years ago
They indeed were that, historically.
randomlaughingman 2 years ago
看来西方人对中国的历史，特别是战国以前的历史还一知半解。
hotdogzo 3 years ago 2
孙子 前孙子者，孙子不遗 。后孙子者，不能遗孙子 ！！
wangsishuo 3 years ago 2
HEREDED THEM ONTO A BOAT
TasamiOkami 3 years ago
do the history of general tso. :<
syrupneko 3 years ago
Nice, can't wait for your Ninja Lost History episode. It's a childhood fantasy I don't I will ever grow out of, nor the internet and it's age old Ninja vs Pirate wars and Real Ultimate Power. Of course those aren't really the origin, even origin stories aren't really the origin, such as developing from opressed farmers, or decendents from Tengu mythology. But you could always Ask a Ninja.
Weedies11 3 years ago
Thanks. I hope to have the Ninja episode done soon. Japanese history is pretty new to me, and I'm tring to get it right.
tokarski21 3 years ago
This is another great lost history video!
Oudler 4 years ago
I love what you're doing. Keep up the good work.
Lustgartenny 4 years ago
Thanks. I will.
tokarski21 4 years ago
I Really love your vids I can't wait to see a new history videos from you I'm a sucker for history.could please make a video of the missing years of jesus or the lost army cambysesII
XiscoXavi 3 years ago
The missing years of Jesus truly are 'Lost History', and I don't know what I could ever find. I hear Anne Rice has attempted an interesting fictional version of that time. Cambyses II and his lost army, however, sounds like something I should look into. Thanks for the suggestion.
tokarski21 3 years ago
It isn't uncommon for writers to use pen names, it's a good way to prevent people from fining out who you really are. I haven't read The Art of War yet, but I think there is a copy laying around the house some where. It might make an interesting read during this windy winters afternoon.
YanYingCookie 4 years ago
You're right, and it doesn't really matter what his (or her) name was. But it is fun to try and find out.
tokarski21 4 years ago
Thanks tokarski hmmm... that's a bit little bit of interesting finding my culture in Chinese New year. Keep it up.
raven1234 4 years ago
Thanks again Raven.
tokarski21 4 years ago
Thanks for making this tribute to General Tzu. I've studied his essays concerning the Art of War, and applied what was learned, for at least 35 years. When I was 15 my after school job was sweeping halls and cleaning rooms at a local college each night. Hope the materials I used to print hundreds of booklets including Sun Tzu's teaching weren't missed. Distributed for free, my intentions were to help others to learn to learn. Perhaps you can understand that ;) Thanks for the great videos!
RatkoUSA 4 years ago
Sounds like you put better use to the materials than was slated for them. The general would have been proud.
tokarski21 4 years ago
You got his name wrong. It was general Sun. Chinese name order is not the same as European name order.
iQing 4 years ago