Oil and Terrorism

[GAMcClary]

No, Jesus did NOT say "immediately after Jerusalem is sacked," THAT is an example of Preterist misinterpretation and falsification of Jesus' words. What Jesus said is, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days..." and this is a reference to the Abomination, vv 15-21. Contrary to the lie of Preterism, "The abomination" and the fall of Jerusalem are two different events. Titus did not stand in the Holy Place before destroying it. vv 15 "stand in the holy place." Preterism is a lie of Satan.

[xinosaj]

I'm skeptical of the Rapturist view of prophecy. It's obvious that Jesus was talking about the Destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D. and his "coming" was a poetic metaphor for judgment, like "comings" in the OT. Rapturism distorts the text. I agree with the Peak Oil analysis in toto. Rapturism is just escapist fantasy. People should grow gardens, learn skills, stick together, and expect to live through this scary future. If we're raptured to heaven before the last Boomer dies, I owe you a Coke.

[GAMcClary]

Thanks for your comments. I agree that the "Rapture Doctrine" is false, it is Escapism and a denial of reality. Peak Oil is also a reality, and just as many people deny it as believe "the rapture." Sadly, the majority of the world's population deny the reality of God and His Messiah by one delusion or another. But, "His coming" is not Poetic Metaphor, and His return will be as much reality as His Birth and Death, and will occur before the last "boomer" dies.

[xinosaj]

Again, I appreciate the summation about Peak Oil, but "this generation" is plainly the contemporaries of Jesus. Every other reference to "this generation" in the Gospels is to Christ's contemporaries, who saw Jerusalem destroyed in 70 A.D. Revelation, written in the 1st century, says its prophecies were to happen "soon." There is no reason to think the Baby Boomers are so special that the world will end before they die. It was all about Rome and Judea. Dispensationalism is a delusion. Sorry.

[GAMcClary]

I agree the doctrines of "dispensationalism" are false.

However, if you look at Jesus' words, he said; "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

You should be aware that "All these things" have NOT YET been fulfilled. see mat 24:29-31

If you believe in the false doctrine of Preterism, then there may be no limits to the delusion from which you suffer.

Perhaps you'd care to point out just which End Time Prophecy "Peak Oil" is a fulfillment of?

Thanks.

[xinosaj]

"All these things" refers to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple - the subject that Jesus was talking about (Matt 24:2). Jesus told the high priest that he'd see Christ's "coming" (Matt. 26:64). God "came on the clouds" a whole bunch of times in the OT. It's not literal - it's that culture's image of judgment, akin to our phrase "the world turned upside down." There will be a "Last Day," but Jesus' words are fulfilled. Your generation isn't special. Gen X'ers will stand on your grave.

[GAMcClary]

Why do you ignore 24:3, "what shall be the sign of thy coming"? Jesus gives prophecy, describes signs, of two events. The destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, and His return. "All these things" refers to the signs in 24:7-8, 9-13, 15-21 and 29-31. If you believe in the false doctrine of Preterism, and deny that any human or world events are now a fulfillment of end time prophecy, then you are both suffering from delusion and blindness. Where do you find "peak oil" in prophecy?

[xinosaj]

I don't ignore it - I point out what "his coming" meant in the context of that culture and literary genre. I've already noted that the Old Testament - Jesus' source of literary motifs - always talks of God's "coming" as a metaphor for earthly judgment, with apocalyptic language like that in Matt. 24. For further proof, check the parallel passage in Luke - re-worded for a gentile audience, Luke is explicit that the disciples' question was about the end of Jerusalem only.

[xinosaj]

The reason why I think it's important to press this point - as someone younger than a "boomer" - is because I don't want folks like you deciding just to spend the last of our earth's resources throwing yourself one final Baby Boomer party. Your generation is not so special. You used up 50% of non-renewable resources so far. You don't believe in the future, so you don't care. Leave something for us. We'll still be here when you're dead and gone.

[xinosaj]

Finally, what you call "preterism" is simply the obvious reading of the text. There is no reason to suppose "this generation" refers to anyone other than Peter and John's cradle mates. Either Jesus' predictions came true as they were intended in 70 A.D., or they didn't come true at all, and you've wasted your life following a false messiah. Nothing in the Bible to say that "this generation" means the Baby Boomers just because they were watching Howdy Doody when Israel was re-formed.

[xinosaj]

Also, we must remember that "by their fruits we will know them." Those who attempt to link Bible prophecy to current events have a horrible track record. The Rapture was not before 1988, for example - too bad for the Jesus Freaks in the '60s who dropped out of college to wait for it. Anti-environmentalism and a failed Middle East peace policy are future's fruit. What good has futurism brought to a single adherent - ever? Just a trail of wasted lives and broken hearts.

[GAMcClary]

How foolish, to believe that because someone who attempted to interpret prophecy has been wrong in the past, then everyone and anyone who interprets prophecy now and in the future will always be wrong. I told you I don't believe in any version of "Rapture" doctrine, and I'm not a "futurist" by any definition; so you're fighting your own straw man. Otherwise you want to blame Futurism for the world's ills while Preterism has blinded you to the reality of what is happening in the world today

[GAMcClary]

Preterism is a method of misinterpreting prophecy to make it meaningless. The TERM "this generation" has nothing to do with "baby boomers" which is the WW2 Generation's children. It is the preterist interpretation that Jesus meant "this generation" to be the generation He was speaking to, rather than the generation which sees the events He described. Those events about Jerusalem in AD 70 did come true, and those about the Beginning of Sorrows, Affliction and Abomination are and will come true.

[GAMcClary]

You may still be here when I am dead and gone, but that's not the point. The point is, that you prefer to believe the delusion that present human events have nothing to do with End Time Prophecy, and therefore you are blind to what is coming on this world. You are blind to the rise of the Modern Roman Empire. The return of God's People to Jerusalem is meaningless to you. The Delusions of Evolution and Geologic Gradualism blind you, nor can you see any relation to WW1, WW2 and a One World Church

[GAMcClary]

Yes, Luke is explicit in his description of Jerusalem's destruction; just as Matthew is explicit in his description of End Time events, and their sequence, in vv, 7-8, 9-13, 15-21 and 29-31. The prophecy of the Abomination in vv 15-21 do not describe the Destruction of Jerusalem as did Luke. That event has not yet been fulfilled. While both Mathew and Luke do describe events at the Return of the Lord, much of their description is about two different sequences of events separated by 1800 years

[xinosaj]

It's absurd to say that I'm "blind" to what's happening in the world today. I know all about peak oil, ecological collapse, overpopulation, the likelihood of resource wars, Middle East unrest, etc. I just don't need to take what I know through observation and reason and try to warp the language of scripture to make Fox News sound like prophecy. The idea that "this generation" means anything other than Jesus' peers is absurd.

[xinosaj]

For more proof, the verse that talks about Jesus "coming on the clouds" says it happens IMMEDIATELY after Jerusalem's sacked. There is no debate about when. Get a copy of Josephus' Jewish Wars and read the account of it. It happened just like Jesus said. The point I'm making here is that your effective date-setting on Christ's return is destructive. It's based on a shaky interpretation, not the Bible itself.

[GAMcClary]

You are blind to how world events fit into End Time Prophecy. You deny that Peak Oil, ecological collapse, over population, wars in the mid-East and the invasion of Iraq, WW1, WW2, Nuclear weapons, Famine and Wold Climate Change, Modern Rome (EU) and many others. No you insist on remaining blind, and ridicule the News while you search ancient history to pervert to fit preterist doctrine. To believe that Jesus could did not give prophecy to TWO generations renders you delusional.

[zenqueen78]

News flash. Ever considered the fact that there is no oil depletion-but thats what they tell you to have an excuse to jack up the costs? They have direct access to all the oil they need right now by being in Iraq. On top of that we don't even need oil for most of the energy systems in our society. They intentionally shelf patents for natural or fuel less energy systems so they can hoard the profits. Wake up.

[GAMcClary]

News false! Have you considered the possibility that you are wrong?

If the earth were a hollow ball, how much oil could it contain? But, the earth is not hollow, there is rock and iron and nickel in there too!

It's not "costs" they "jack up," it's profits. But that's not the problem, because YOU want higer wages and better medical insurance too -- don't you?

The problem is, that the earth is NOT filled with fossil fuel, and there is no substitute for oil. Peak Oil was in 2005.

[zenqueen78]

Your mis-informed. I live in New York. It's a known fact that there have been several patents that have been shelved. Do your research-particularly the actual cars built and destroyed in California because of the non-necessity of Oil dear. I know ppl who work in the biz-so know this to be fact, not hear say. Your Govt is playing you-point blank.

[GAMcClary]

I'm sorry, Honey, but you are suffering from delusion. You want to believe conspiracy theories, OK, but at least choose the ones which are accurate, not the wild eyed delusions. Yes, the governments of the world are "playing the people." What you're missing, is that Governments can not regulate the amount of oil in the ground ... all they can "play" is the price and the distribution

[zenqueen78]

I supposed you've been over to Iraq to measure the amount of oil yourself. The only one who is delusional are the ones who believe a Govt with a long history of Lying to their people cant possibly be lying about something like the amount of oil or their unwillingness to distribute and endorse patents that dont require petroleum. But think what you wish its a waste arguing with people who dont respect facts but rather rely on govt. lies and deception as their source of info. Peace.

[GAMcClary]

Oh, and I suppose YOU'VE been to Iran, Saudi Arabia and Iraq to measure the amount of oil in the ground? Your ignorance knows no bounds!

You are assuming that the governments of the US, Saudi Arabia and Iran are lying by telling people there is less? How ignorant!! What you fail to consider is, that they are lying by claiming that there is more! They don't want people to know the TRUTH, that we passed Peak Oil in about 2005!

[padude64]

We are under an economic terror attack! NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!

[GAMcClary]

The Truth is, the World Oil Supply has passed PEAK OIL. The Supply will never again meet the demand. That's not "terrorism" - it's simple 'supply and demand' economics!

As demand continues to rise, while supply continues to diminish, National and world economics will suffer! Airlines and other fuel critical businesses will go broke.

The cost of food is based on the cost of fuel, pesticides and fertilizer, and will continue to rise!

This will lead to more war, and terrorism is poor man's war.

[JoeTube27]

Yup, Let us get the OIL. Screw everyone else.

[CRALG69]

Oil and Terrorism = BUSH-CHENEY

[GAMcClary]

Over-simplification is a way to ignore the facts.

[rosettastonedagain]

The oil market's invisible hand is choking this country to death. Phase out oil as a source of energy!!!

[JoeTube27]

IMPOSSIBLE

[digital3michael]

What is terror? It is fear. Fear is the state of mental confusion via consern for one's phyical being, the illusion of the flesh, over one's faith in the all mighty spiritual world that's center the consciousness of all energy that is god. So terror as fear and oil as power is a very strong argument for satan, as those without faith and spiritual substance chase after.

Good day :)

[zenqueen78]

Terror is a tactic used by the elite to lie, fear monger and retain control of thier sheep.

[digital3michael]

There's also this. Oil, what is it really? Society has become so dependent upon oil. But what is it they are dependent upon? Power! Oil is seen as power. I'm not just talking supremicy, I'm also talking energy. Oil, it's suposed to be a substance derived from the preman era. Oil is needed to fuel the war machine. Oil will be the cause of the war. Cycles upon cycles.

[GAMcClary]

You mention 'supremacy', 'power', 'war machine.' "Supremacy" is based on wealth which supports industry which needs energy which supports the military which projects supremacy. Presently, that demands oil. No 'modern' society, not based on oil, could defeat a military supported by Oil. That is, the U.S.A and Europe can not dominate the world if they have no oil and the Arabian and Persian (spell that 'Muslim') nations do have Oil. That is why the U.S. and England invaded Iraq.