I think I've watched this video 3 or 4 times now and I keep forming different opinions.
I'll ask everyone who watches this video to spend some time thinking about the service they supply. Consider what they are. If you're a DJ and play songs that's all well and good. You can charge $1 or $1,000,000 for your service depending on your skill and brand image.
The big question is what do you call yourself if you do more than just play music at an event?
does get annoying for younger djs to undercut you but to them their just trying to get there names out there you see this as ur money being stolen but your all serious business wedding and other event like them just have ppl playing just any kinds of music as long if its loud and there lights their satisfied as for younger djs i think there more on the rave EDM side just going to a club, mixing and getting the crowd hyped and raging bc they love the drive they get out of the music and the crowd
Great video Brian, i am a young person my self and when i say people take their home theater system and plugging in a ipod or a laptop to it and just playing music it gives the rest of us a bad name. I really spend money on equipment and music and i really try to give clients the best service possible but when they hear there is another person my age that can do that gig cheaper it really annoying because it makes it harder to sell my services. Great video as always thanks a lot for posting it.
Brian, all these haters are just upset because somebody told them the truth! HA to all the haters, you guys are what keep these conversations alive! The big guys thrive off of this.
i know this may seem very old this video but your doggies are cutie i thought that was very cutie but they wanted u to ok put down the camra and play atteion to us.
so true!!!! one thing though..... why would anyone hire a 14year old to DJ their wedding! every day there are more and more djs or kids who think they are and it just kills it for everyone... if you wanna dj - DO IT RIGHT dont use your laptop and all that stuff get some cd decks, practise, learn to beat mix and THEN do gigs. Nobody starts at the top and its a tough journey from the bottom!
so true!!!! one thing though..... why would anyone hire a 14year old to DJ their wedding! every day there are more and more djs or kids who think they are and it just kills it for everyone... if you wanna dj - DO IT RIGHT dont use your laptop and all that stuff get some cd decks, practise, learn to beat mix and THEN do gigs. Nobody starts at the top and its a tough journey from the bottom!
so true!!!! one thing though..... why would anyone hire a 14year old to DJ their wedding! every day there are more and more djs or kids who think they are and it just kills it for everyone... if you wanna dj - DO IT RIGHT dont use your laptop and all that stuff get some cd decks, practise, learn to beat mix and THEN do gigs. Nobody starts at the top and its a tough journey from the bottom!
so true!!!! one thing though..... why would anyone hire a 14year old to DJ their wedding! every day there are more and more djs or kids who think they are and it just kills it for everyone... if you wanna dj - DO IT RIGHT dont use your laptop and all that stuff get some cd decks, practise, learn to beat mix and THEN do gigs. Nobody starts at the top and its a tough journey from the bottom!
You are excellent!Keep the vids coming.Ive been a D.J. in NJ for 10 years and still learn alot from other D.J.'s When D.J.'s undercut each other it hurts all of us.There will always be people who are so thick headed and egotisitcal that they can't learn from someonelse.
I really think that clients have to be more careful when they hire a DJ, You can always tell what performance you will get if you actually go see the the DJ (or have the DJ come see you) On the whole their personality will come through as you talk to them. On the few times ive hired a DJ myself, the ones that are hackers or bottom feeders wont seem all that enthusiastic. Remember a Good DJ is a natural performer, anybody can stand there and play records all night, but thats not all a DJ is..
I have been a bedroom DJ for a while now, and must say that I have really taken this vid into consideration in the sense that I took the time to find an experienced DJ to train me before I went out gigging. I just found a company close to me thats been doing it for 20 years, and im learning the ropes of what it takes to do this job the right way. All i can say is thank you Brian because i probably would have ended up as a hack or bottom feeder dj if you wouldent have posted this type of video.
I love it Brian. I field the exact phone calls & ask the same questions as yourself. Even after they read all the information on the website & view a SAMPLE ITINERARY GUIDELINE. I just shake my head & stare at my feet. All they seem to care about is the price, cheaper the better. Time to go back to halogen par cans & Mr.Microphone,lol not. Good video & keep em coming.
Big shout to Caz, BrianSRedd, and Big Daddy. You guys are awesome!! Youre all straight forward and right on point with solid information regarding the DJ industry. I'm a new comer to the mobile DJ world but we all gotta start somewhere. I appreciate all your veteran advice because Ive worked a few gigs and have realized I have A LOT TO LEARN!! Keep the videos coming!!
I suppose people who play club/bar/commercial don'r learn how to mix and can just press play and stop on a laptop and download all the populat new tunes for free. Personally I dislike this but the average club/bar customer doesn't care what the dj does, where he gets his music etc, all they care about are hearing all the new popular chart tunes. As for djd who play weddings etc, all I know is that for most people they want to hear the same old tunes at every gig, they don't care about reputation
I think you are right about most youngers getting turntables and and mixer in the uk but I don't think these lot are really the mobile kind. Most for a start seem to be into mixing some form of underground dance where their only chance of playing live is at underground dance clubs, they have to be able to mix at least or they wouldn't get a gig, I suppose if using cd decks it makes this easier.
Categorically agree. I disagree with a lot of things said on most YT DJ channels as someone who deals in theatrical sound engineering on a regular basis. These kids don't know what they're doing. They're not insured, they use "dodgy" equipment (mmm, piezos) which probably isn't safety tested, drive their amps into clipping half the time then wonder why they destroy drivers, and, most irritatingly of all, they think they're gods gift to both life, DJing and general sound technique. It's pathetic.
@LightRig Funny you should say that. I started as an apprentice for a theatrica lighting and sound company when I was 14. I am now 30 and still don't know everything there is to know. But, just as quick as the kids are coming out, they'll be gone just as quick.
Um, yes. Routinely charging half of what your competitors are means that you are disrupting the economic balance in your area. If you have a crap system and are good at what you do charge 300. You are just taking money out of other DJs pockets as well as your own.
Oh and by the way, there is A LOT to be said about the value of a good DJ at the wedding. Most people remember the entertainment first. So the clients need to find another area to save their money.
Good video, in order to be able to handle the diversity and range of music at the average wedding, you need a lot of experience, at least, as you said, a year of full voluntary work with a good professional dj.
This means earning nothing, but its vital in order to provide the best service possible.
I think 13, 14, 15 well, anything below 18 is a bit too young in order to be able to perform at a wedding.
As for the underpricing thing, i don't think iv become victim to any of this?
A True professional is the accountant, vehicle mechanic, mailman, electronic engineer, musical expert, heavy equipment mover and ..... Oh, good with a crowd and able to use a microphone. LOL
Bottom feeders in Kansas City are barely able to answer the phone correctly. LOL
I went to a disco where the dj was about 17 he was great with all the new music but if he played any onld music ie 60s,80s or 90s all he used was mixes which let him down.
It's just people trying to get ahead in the world. When DJing goes out of style its going to crash and burn so hard. This guy sound like a bitter old fart. I think this dude is insecure about his own djing skills. If you are really good at what you do you don't have to put down other people. Djing is turning into a contrived bunch of crap. Because of people like this AND the bottom feeders.
Which part are you angry about? The fact that I intendified there are people out there giving DJs a bad name or the fact that I suggested Pro DJs improve thier customer service?
Because, if you were listening.. that's all I said!
Keep your chin up bud. When the majority sees someone who is successful or a corporation do well, their first response is jealousy followed by the instinct to try and level the playing field. I come on here to see what new innovative ideas you and the others have to help the industry. I think I speak for many of the youtube "PROFESSIONAL" djs when I say, you are inspiring, captivating, and most helpful. Keep up the good work!
One word says it all. Its about value... Value does not necessarily mean cheap. It does mean the best bang for your buck. I would rather spend more money on a reliable product than a cheap imitation. Picking a disc jockey is very similar...
I agree, it's about value. Value is not necessarily cheap, and it's not necessarily expensive. Value is in the eye of the beholder. If the client feels they are getting their money's worth, that's all that matters.
Brian, I know you are not getting upset, because all of us Pro DJ's know you are absolutely right. It is all about experience. And i may get some crap for this, but it is. You have a gig, and you mess something up, you know not to do it again, and once you get really good at what you do, you can charge people fairly, and then you should be able to judge other DJ's accordingly. I have a great amount of respect for you, and all of other DJ's who give 110% at every gig. Keep up the great work.
I am 13 years old, have a professional soundsystem, get all my music legally, and run a legal copy of virtual DJ on my laptop computer. I've pay'd for every bit of it by working myself, doing odd jobs for people, babysitting and computer consulting. So, not ALL kdis are like this!
That's what Brian meant by disposable income. You did not have to pay your food, bills, taxes, insurance, whatever. I applaud you for having legal software, but it's nothing to brag about seeing as that's what you're supposed to do anyways.
I will give you props though. At 13 you are much more mature than most DJs in my area. Carrying portable hard drives everywhere they go ripping music, using a half assed system and a crappy laptop and charging mucho dinero.
i myself am 15 and own a small dj buisness adn when i get gvigs i charge 500 or more have large setup, my clients ask me if im BS and if im rippin them off but im a proffesional so these hacks are not only staining the reputations older djs and more expirenced djs but up and coming djs too.
Here is my perspective on this issue. it is one thing to buy some gear and say u are a dj. it is another thing to be able to mix and to get good. if someone is charging less it is probably because they are one of those people that say they are a dj just because they bought some gear. Now i am one of those kids that is buying dj gear. I do intend to charge less money for a short period of time because you are paying for setup, quality of the dj and EXPERIENCE.
Continuation of my previous comment: If someone is inexperienced it is not right for them to charge the same price as a pro. the thing is when you are inexperienced you can't say that u are a pro. in order to be a pro and to charge the same amount you need a good setup, experience and the ability to do a good job. if i charge low prices in the future it is because i or any newbie does not have the skills of a proffesional. this is just my opinion.
Trouble is, public perception is that a DJ is a DJ. This is why I did this video, to indentify a problem experienced Pros have and suggest how they address it.
we are competing out in my area with a DJ who charges $50.00 and a ride to the gig( the client has to pick him and his gear up and take it to the event) to me that is unacceptable he advertises that he has all the latest but what does it matter that you have the gear but can't get it to the gig.
I agree with this video although I am just starting myself I have gone to others in my area seeking advice and guidience, I work closely with them offer my help to them whenever possible. When I started I had one thing in mind providing a great service that people would be happy with at a fair market price, I have even spoken to the others in my area on their pricing just to make sure I am not undercutting, if people choose me I want it to be for the quiality of my services not the price.con't
Its funny to watch wannabe's. They will always be wannabe's thats what makes them a wannabe. Tough it out and have faith that your quality of equipment and experience will ensure your survival. U can give BS Redd 2 tape decks and a handfull of cassettes and I bet he could out DJ 95% of the wannabe's (im not suckin ass here, but a fact is a fact, 20+ yrs exp dude) So all you youngsters with insecure feelings about your skill, STFU, be better at DJing and it could be you tellin some punk he sux
They SHOULD, and sometimes they do, but the general public perception of DJs as a whole becomes less than favorable.
Let's say the client DOES know that the DJ they hired is a beginner or less than Pro... does the entire audience realize this? Or, do they say to themselves...
"Oh man, that wasn't very good at all.. maybe we should just make our own playlists for an iPod for that party we're doing next year"
My respects to you for posting your opinions and sharing your views on this topic that has plaqued us for many years.
Our tools have changed, the way we interact with the world has changed. Yet our view of what is a professional DJ has remained a stereotype that has been fueled by the untalented and the naive.
your sort of right on the Uk thing, alot of kids have a set up of some kind
at the age of 9 i spent over £1500 on my gear and its grown since and its always looked professional. Trouble is when somone phones me and says how old are you? as soon as they know im 17 it puts them off. OK i charge less than say a 35 year old because people have this sterotpical view that im going to wreck the party and wont play anything pre 2003 so in some respect we have to charge slightly less to get the work
I agree with you Brian. I have been in the industry for 33 years, and it's more of a passion than a business for me. In my opinion, it's an honor and privlege to be in this business. Kepp it up. REMINDER: Please post a Revo 4 video. I'm interested in getting one as well as the Revo 3. Thanks
The only thing people are worried about is ''which person is cheapst''
And btw if people who DJ which is funded by familly, they are having fun, they would not be a DJ otherwise....
And it's called being competitive.... Drop your prices if you're loosing business, the clients don't care what gear/ speakers the DJ has.... They just want the cheapest person who will play music..... Nobdy cares if the lights are worth 5000$ and are amazing... the cheapest light you can find will do fine etc.
@JackDooner. I think you're wrong here. The most important thing that people care about is references, especially for important events like weddings. Price is a second consideration, unless they are on a very tight budget, then they aren't paying for an expensive DJ in any case.
But what i'm trying to say is that clients don't know if you have Macky speakers with Pioneer CDJ's or if you have the cheapest walk-man with pc speakers...
they don't know. All they can see is the price and how much is in their pockets at the end of the day.
Yes it is important the people have a good time but all people want is the latest club tunes and some old classic's...
For many of them it's not their hobby, it's their life's work. Pretend you're a teacher and they push your retirement up for something like part-time teachers because they are cheaper. Same thing in their eyes.
A lot of times those "fly by night guys" aren't around long in the area once they bomb once or three times. Now here's the catch, there are soooo many of them that pop up left and right that it makes it tough sometimes to sell myself. I'll get asked what this guy will cost them $150 and I charge $1,000 on up.Sometimes it's easier for me to just show them some of my video clips and my pictures on my web site. They see how pro it all is and they question nothing again.
Here is something to think about. My first wedding gig went beautifully. I did my research, I took a lot of time to prepare, and I did a great job. My clients were satisfied, I kept people dancing, and I never misrepresented anything. I also charged less, because I didn't have any references from other wedding clients, only from private parties. DJs have to start somewhere, and those who are just starting out HAVE to charge less, otherwise they can't compete with established DJs. Fact.
Thanks for stating the obvious. Brian clearly has a problem with charging less, regardless of whether the client was satisfied or not. He calls DJs who charge less "bottom feeders", which is a purposely derogatory term. Hacks are another issue, although I don't think Brian has defined that term very clearly, except to say that it applies to DJs that are below his standard. The problem is, his "standard" is not clearly defined, thus it's not surprising that more DJs took offence than he expected.
I'm suprised so many kids have the NERVE to THINK they are UP to PRO STANDARD because they bought some kit, downloaded some MP3s, and (and this is the best part) watched MY BASIC tutorial videos.
Listen Roma, I didn't make up the terms BOTTOM FEEDER and HACK. They are REAL TERMS used in this business. Perhaps if you were actually involved in this business as a PRO you MAY have heard them
Just because someone else made up the terms "bottom feeder" and "hack" doesn't mean it's OK to apply those terms to other DJs, simply because you don't agree with how much they charge or what equipment they use. Being a "pro", doesn't justify being rude.
You're absolutely right Brian. It's hard to be an amateur DJ and most teenagers just try and skip that step. Problem is those difficulties are what make you a pro later on in life.
But no, go ahead... Fuck up public perception of this business that pro djs who PAID THIER DUES worked SO hard to legitamize, going WAY back to the battle between Bands & DJs with your lower than ethical prices. After all, it's all about YOU at the end of the day, isn't it?
Brian, I understand your argument. However, you take it upon yourself to define what "ethical prices" are and what "pro standard" is. I disagree with your definitions. You can now get a decent and inexpensive mobile DJ setup and music collection. It doesn't matter whether it was expensive "back in the old days". Fact is, we live in a capitalist society, and business is not about making your competition happy, it's about making money. If another DJ wants to charge less, it's their right.
@Melodic...I figured you couldn't hold an intelligent debate for very long without resorting to insults. If Brian and you recognize it's their right to charge less, then I think calling them "bottom feeders" who "eat sh*t" is not only disrespectful, but it also undermines your position as a professional. There is a difference between specific professional criticism and crude generalizations. Calling legitimate DJs offensive names is not the proper way to distinguish yourself from them.
Do yourself a favor and don't try and insult my intelligence again. Calling someone a dumbass and subtly calling them an idiot are not much different. You'll note that I never called myself a professional. I'm not. What is your definition of a legitimate DJ? Whether you are a beginner DJ or an expert DJ, you're still an effing DJ. As for the difference between pro criticism and crude generalizations: I'm pretty sure you're wrong... in other words, I think you're a dumbass. Peace.
Once again, you're shown your desperate nature. For the record, I didn't call you an idiot or intend to, apparently you just have low self esteem, so that's how you interpreted my argument. My definition of a "legitimate DJ" is a DJ who is honest with his customers, and delivers what is promised. This is irrespective of what equipment or how much experience they have. Also, "you're wrong" is not a very convincing argument, you might want to think a little harder next time.
You don't have to be honest and deliver on promises to not be a hack or a bottom feeder. Which was the whole point of this discussion. As for a desperate nature, you are the one who keeps coming back here and insulting not only my intelligence but now my so-called self-esteem. If you want to be a capitalist keep it up. Not like I'm taking your business away seeing as I'm not in the industry in Russia. So go piss up a tree.
@iamroma I LIVE IN DETROIT MICHIGAN THERE ARE GOOD DJ's THAT BUMPED FROM SOME LESS SKILLED(BOTTOM FEEDER) WITH LIMITED SKILLS(HACKS)
I WAS BOOKED FOR A WEDDING B4 I GOT MY DEPOSITE THE BRIDES BRO. SAY HE WOULD CHARGE CHEAPER
I ATTENDED I NEVER SEEN A X-BOX DJ
THAT MADE ME LAUGH NO LIGHTS.....THE BRIDE ASK ME TO RESCUE THE RESEPTION I FELT DIS-RESPECTED I CHARGED HER EXTRA $200 BUT THAT DIDNT MAKE ME FEEL BETTER I JUST WANTED EVERYONE THE SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN SKILLS
It's not about charging less... it's about charging a fee that supports a legitimate operation that buys legal music, maintains liability insurance and proper, professional grade equipment..
If you are charging any amount of money for your services as a "DJ" and not purchasing your music from legit sources or operating on pro eqipment, you are a hack. If you consistently charge below the average in your area, you are a bottom feeder.
I do however agree that there are a certain group of so called Dj's that will blatantly undercut another Dj to get a booking, I personally welcome the competition as Myself and alot of other mobile Dj's know that once the client has had a single bad experience, they will always return to a tried and tested Dj that they know and will do a much better job... & very few cleints will want to be bitten twice so to speak, therefore stay very loyal. . . Regards.... Dj Shylo
Hi Brian...firstly..not all people / teenagers are Dj's in the UK.. altohugh i have to admit , it is a growing past time.. and in response to a point you made..If a 14 or 15 year old teenager is out gigging then surely they would be breaking the law, because as you well know we Dj's need insurance and various licenses just to be able to play legally.. not to mention the fact that in england you have to be 18 to obtain said insurance.... there are however a minority of people who do undercut....
the professional Dj, but.. everyone has to start somewhere..I started out with an extremely basic set up and progressed to where i am today through hard work and dedication to the industry i love. Bottom Feeders or Hak's as you call them will always get found out for what they truly are, good or bad, the bad ones never get repeat bookings and quickly fall by the wayside...the good ones progress tro better things and usually end up like you and me....working Dj's...
If you ask me it's like saying everyone is a professional driver because they have a license. Even the biggest idiot out there can get a license, but it takes more than that to be called a pro. Same goes for DJs. Even the biggest idiot can buy a set of turntables and a mixer. Doesn't mean he's a pro DJ.
@briansredd I DJ's have to start somewhere we need guidance and advice from other DJ's. I would classify myself as a bottom feeder after watching this video, but the diffrence from them is i bought gear cause i truely wanted to DJ and i worked on my summer vacations just to buy the gear. (no help from mom and dad) I have two gigs coming up one today and one next friday and i am not even advertising myself, i get recommended to other people throwing parties and such because i try my hardest .
It is a tough industry to be in at the moment because of the digital music revolution. There is less money to be had and more people competing for it . I know far too many DJs that still download music for free off Limewire and other P2P programs, even one who works for a record company himself. We are making money with not only our talents but also the talents of others. Also your clients deserve a good quality non-distorted sound so get some pro audio, I know its expensive but it is worth it.
I agree with you Brian, although I come under the group "hacks/bottom feeders", I have built my own DJ system at 16 but yet I spent nearly €1000 on it (700 being of mine own saved up) and I know how to beatmatch and all that jazz, I've been djing for 2 years but only got my DJ system in the last few months and I'm not getting any gigs at al...
Well then your not really who Brian is targeting this at I don't think. He seems to be getting at those using say a home stereo (consumer audio) set-up and charging money for gigs at this lower level and so giving the real pros a bad rap.
a man in 30's, no job, cannot afford QUALITY stuff.
has a pair of china made speakers, an old amplifier, spot lamps, a pentium M laptop and a passion for music.
can do small gigs like birthdays anniversaries etc.
earns little but gives him joy and some comfort in life.
who are we to judge these small timers who are also passionate to dj'ing but arent lucky enough to have the money to buy the so called high quality equipments?
@KuyaChe Dear Friend, He's not talking about 30 year old's. He's mainly talking about early teens who are using their parents money to buy equipment and who really doesn't respect the industry.
If someone has the passion for music and DJing they would learn how to do it the proper way. If you learn the proper skills and if you are a good entertainer then I don't think equipment really matters.
But think of this you or a family member is getting marrie and hires a DJ... Cont...
@KuyaChe You've gotten the reception hall nicely done and would you want a Kid DJ (Has really good equipnent) who can't entertain the crowd. Or would you have a guy who has crappy equiment at a venue where everything else looks beautiful? I guess not.
If it were me I'd go for the guy who had good equipment and the talent to enhance that special event.
If you listen to what I actually said, it was that the problem was going to get even worse. Inexperienced teens were used as an example as to what we have to look forward to.
They are not the only offenders, though.
AND I never told anyone to stop DJing... All I suggested was that the TRUE pros need to UP thier sales game and educate thier clients.
I recently went to Crazy Horse (West Covina, CA) and the DJ was just looking at his screen and just mixing away. He didn't care if there were people dancing or not. Basically he wasn't playing to the crowd. He was doing it as if he were playing DJ hero or something like that. These guys don't interact with the crowd..
When I learnt to DJ I used my good old years beatmatch, find the cue points etc. I like serato because it gives me mobility (And I only use Abs mode & only use it to load songs)
Brian one more thing I wan to add to this is DJ softwares where they do Auto mixing and also softwares like serato where it allows a regular Joe to beat match without using headphones (or any DJing skills)
I use serato so that i don't have to carry crates of vinyl. But there are DJ's (so called Dj's) out there who uses these software like a video game to match beats and do all kinds of stuff. All you see is these guys starring at the monitor just mixing away.
excellent video mate. I know you and I spoke about this at BPM when you were over here. We can carry on the convo at mobile beat lol. Hope you are well.
I COMPLETELY AGREE! the $100 wedding DJ... WHAT A JOKE! I know several in my area and confronted them.....Lets bring my RCA 200 watt system.... Seriously these weddings are lousy at best, its more like having a friend play music though an mp3 player with NO experience. You want quality, pay for quality. Some people recognize that you want quality and they are the smart ones, others price drives decision, they pay for it when their wedding day comes and it is terrible.
Firstly, quit the caps. Secondly, no - at no point have I undercut people or de-valued the industry. I went out and learned, acquired money through other work and then purchased good gear. I had been messing about at home/work with turntables/CDJs for years so I could already mix. I'm now mostly nightclub orientated anyway so I don't need to worry about being undercut so much as mobile guys.
Also, I am willing to bet that 99.9% of hack DJs have no insurance and illegal music.
thats so true im 15 but im a profeesional i had to work many weekends to get my dj gear and thats what i say people asked me why i charge that much but i told them im a professional dj they can see it when i setup my gear but some people mostly just r trying to get it cheap
I think that "hacks" shouldn't work for the general public and stick to doing events by referral only. They shouldn't be out there, trying to sell themselves, as I'm sure a lot of them do.
I'm no pro, and I know it. I let the people who ask me to gig for them know that hiring a pro will probably provide a better show (especially as far as lighting is concerned). At the same time, I do have the gear to do a basic gig, so I could do it if they wanted me to still.
I think in this video the underlying reason which alot of offended DJ's aren't seeing is that the controversial comments made in this video is to open you mind to the point of view. Sometimes it take getting a couple of smacks up side the head to get people to realize a change that may need to be made. Although sometimes I wonder if DJ's that have put in the years might be offended by the speed at which younger DJ's have moved into the market without putting in there TIME
there are dj companies that under cut the price of many DJ's then bring nothing but a table and couple of speakers. They have an attitude that if the customers are going to under pay then they get a lower quality system. But its the dj that set the price so low. So its a domino effect. It will take time dealing with poor dj quality over time to swing the attitudes of the customer the other way. Where they say you get what you pay for.
Really talk to your dj and get to know him before you schedule them. Every once in awhile you might find a dj that is just starting out, is really good, and is cheaper!! But that djs prices wont stay low for a long period of time! people need to spend a little extra on the djs for their event because the dj IS THE PARTY!! Brian I think you said this in another video, "A dj can make or break your wedding," (or any events). I Agree with you Brain!!
There are a lot of older djs out there though that have a couple derbys and speakers and they call themself a dj! (There is a lot of them in Fresno). Those djs will charge only a few hundred dollars!! Dont be fooled by the price because your event wont turn out nice!! Go with someone that cares about their equipment and doesnt buy cheap stuff because those are the djs who love djing and ARENT in it for only their money!!
Ive been dj for about a year. When I started all I had was a laptop and some house speakers. Everyone Has to start somewhere. I have got more professional gear. As I get more professional gear and have felt more comfortable I have started to charge more. But I guess I was a hack dj that sucks. lol but I feel more confident in what im doing and get better every gig. With better gear but you have to make money some why to purchase this expensive gear and music.
I'm a club DJ at the moment so this mobile stuff is rather new to me. I'm eager to learn more about it, and I'm putting effort into learning how to do it. So I hope I can be at least a step above a "Hack" DJ. Enjoying the videos Mr. Brian.
I think we all have to start somewhere. Money don't grow on trees, so us young people can only get so much for starting out. I put 2Gs into a PA and a couple lights, and have yet to get any mobile work. At this point, I would never charge more than $200 for a gig simply because I can't put on a big enough show with what I have at the time. The pros didn't start out PRO, and they had to once be a "bottom feeder" before they became a pro. We hafta start at the $25 party's before the $500+ gigs.
I agree, best way for me to explain it,I used to sell Rainbow Vaccums, They sell for $2500 dallors, How do you sell a Vaccum to people for $2500? You you show them the value in it,$50 vaccum at Wal-mart or a $2500 vaccum. If you cant show the value in you as aDJ, then you will be the dj that under bids the others cause you have nothing to offer but sound,, but if you can sell your services and A DISC JOCKEY then you will be a respected DJ and will make a carrer at it.
I agree brian there are alot of djs who charge way to cheap that are driving the market down. they take gigs dirt cheap and new brides think its the new average
Only thing is, alot of us "kids" are just starting and we cant charge that much, and we usually have to charge less than what an older dj would have; I understand that theirs alot of bottom feeders but there alot of us at young age who have talent, good ear, and practise hard to do good :/ just saying dont hate on the young djs who are just starting
Definitely agree with you Pavin, I started Djing at 14, now 15 and have done a couple of gigs already. I have done a couple of gigs, and have received compliments : ). A lot of "kids" are getting practice and are getting good. There are some kids who are bottom feeders, but not all. At one party the DJ was using an acer laptop with windows media player...
so true brian. i've never been to england but just take a look at blogtv and see how many djs are on their doing a mix show. i was in best buy a few days ago, and passed by a mother who was trying to talk her son out of buying a numark ipod dj system. she wanted him instead to get the dj hero video game so that "the whole family could play." the son told her, "we could play on either one!" I wanted to slap the kid!!! I mean i agree the ipod dj is not a dj, but damn. THIS IS NOT A GAME!
Brian you've got very good points! its not total garbage what your saying, yes it tough to compete with the younger guys that are way under cutting us, but the way you get your clients is by being a pro with them. When you sitting down with them you explain yourself, how you work, all the thing you do, how you do them, why you do them, you give them hints about how the reception should go based on all your experience. Usually all of the warrants the price we charge and they'll see that and book.
This video is 100% true from start to finish. Although I never defined myself as professional just because I have pro gear, at the end of the day,if the client believes you're a pro and is satisfied with your work then that's all that counts in the end. I think most of us start out as "hacks" but as time goes by, we get smarter and wiser and we graduate into the more professional levels.
Just keep in mind that in the end Customer Service and being accessible will always win out in the end.
Now this is a topic of conversation, to be proud of...
I have raised my prices this year, and have been busier than last year...and a number of occasions the customers have chosen my service than a lower priced dj. Educating/informing the customer as to why you are worth what you can charge is key.
Brian, you basically said that all under 18 DJs are cowboys..is ridiculous, completely untrue. Yours and Jonathans videos have been getting more and more outrageous, i was actually disgusted with J's video about playing music at a gig through YOUTUBE. not only is this highly illegal, it wont be good enough quality, and to me, is a total disgrace, When i first started, i'd literally do and listen to everything you 2 said. Now i've learnt from many other people, on helpful forums, to not.
No, actually what I said, if you listen to what I said insted of what you felt offended you, is that there are a lot of hacks and bottom feeders out there.... many young enexperienced DJs are frequent offenders AND were used as an example.
This wasn't a video to hate young DJs, this was a video explaining that a PRO DJ who is being undercut by a bottom feeder needs to step up his/her sales game.
And it's GOOD that you are getting input from other DJs. That's what you are suppose to do. You can't be Johnathan or me or anyone else. You have to be yourself and the best way to do this is to get as much information from as many sources as possible.
Oh get your head out of your arse. I don't for one second believe J would play music from YouTube out on a gig, quit your holier-than-thou attitude and grow up.
very good video Brian., I'm glad that someone finally explained Hacks & Bottom Feeders. All of us as professionals need to explain this to our clients. Thank you!
I think I've watched this video 3 or 4 times now and I keep forming different opinions.
I'll ask everyone who watches this video to spend some time thinking about the service they supply. Consider what they are. If you're a DJ and play songs that's all well and good. You can charge $1 or $1,000,000 for your service depending on your skill and brand image.
The big question is what do you call yourself if you do more than just play music at an event?
VVooDz 1 week ago
You need to run for president!!!! Love it!!!
JohnDonovanDotBiz 2 weeks ago
does get annoying for younger djs to undercut you but to them their just trying to get there names out there you see this as ur money being stolen but your all serious business wedding and other event like them just have ppl playing just any kinds of music as long if its loud and there lights their satisfied as for younger djs i think there more on the rave EDM side just going to a club, mixing and getting the crowd hyped and raging bc they love the drive they get out of the music and the crowd
C13los 1 month ago
damn brain your a asshole
i watched your videos now i am not
mason1234567891 1 month ago
Great video Brian, i am a young person my self and when i say people take their home theater system and plugging in a ipod or a laptop to it and just playing music it gives the rest of us a bad name. I really spend money on equipment and music and i really try to give clients the best service possible but when they hear there is another person my age that can do that gig cheaper it really annoying because it makes it harder to sell my services. Great video as always thanks a lot for posting it.
NcubeProductions 2 months ago
Brian, all these haters are just upset because somebody told them the truth! HA to all the haters, you guys are what keep these conversations alive! The big guys thrive off of this.
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SeanStephenss 8 months ago
i know this may seem very old this video but your doggies are cutie i thought that was very cutie but they wanted u to ok put down the camra and play atteion to us.
chudh20 9 months ago
Im bottom feeding..and im ok with it.
DjR3aper 10 months ago
Amen to that!
artofsounddj 1 year ago
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so true!!!! one thing though..... why would anyone hire a 14year old to DJ their wedding! every day there are more and more djs or kids who think they are and it just kills it for everyone... if you wanna dj - DO IT RIGHT dont use your laptop and all that stuff get some cd decks, practise, learn to beat mix and THEN do gigs. Nobody starts at the top and its a tough journey from the bottom!
SurajDJShinh 1 year ago
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so true!!!! one thing though..... why would anyone hire a 14year old to DJ their wedding! every day there are more and more djs or kids who think they are and it just kills it for everyone... if you wanna dj - DO IT RIGHT dont use your laptop and all that stuff get some cd decks, practise, learn to beat mix and THEN do gigs. Nobody starts at the top and its a tough journey from the bottom!
SurajDJShinh 1 year ago
so true!!!! one thing though..... why would anyone hire a 14year old to DJ their wedding! every day there are more and more djs or kids who think they are and it just kills it for everyone... if you wanna dj - DO IT RIGHT dont use your laptop and all that stuff get some cd decks, practise, learn to beat mix and THEN do gigs. Nobody starts at the top and its a tough journey from the bottom!
SurajDJShinh 1 year ago
@SurajDJShinh kids like me have no place djing a wedding or a BM but any other kind of gig most of us can handle
azepzz 10 months ago 2
so true!!!! one thing though..... why would anyone hire a 14year old to DJ their wedding! every day there are more and more djs or kids who think they are and it just kills it for everyone... if you wanna dj - DO IT RIGHT dont use your laptop and all that stuff get some cd decks, practise, learn to beat mix and THEN do gigs. Nobody starts at the top and its a tough journey from the bottom!
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Rasta4x00x1 1 year ago
How you see them is how us real musicians in real bands look at YOU people. There was a day when people hired LIVE entertainment for their events.
scumgod13 1 year ago
You are excellent!Keep the vids coming.Ive been a D.J. in NJ for 10 years and still learn alot from other D.J.'s When D.J.'s undercut each other it hurts all of us.There will always be people who are so thick headed and egotisitcal that they can't learn from someonelse.
chuckman30 1 year ago
AMEN!
inrealitydj 1 year ago
I really think that clients have to be more careful when they hire a DJ, You can always tell what performance you will get if you actually go see the the DJ (or have the DJ come see you) On the whole their personality will come through as you talk to them. On the few times ive hired a DJ myself, the ones that are hackers or bottom feeders wont seem all that enthusiastic. Remember a Good DJ is a natural performer, anybody can stand there and play records all night, but thats not all a DJ is..
strich23 2 years ago
I have been a bedroom DJ for a while now, and must say that I have really taken this vid into consideration in the sense that I took the time to find an experienced DJ to train me before I went out gigging. I just found a company close to me thats been doing it for 20 years, and im learning the ropes of what it takes to do this job the right way. All i can say is thank you Brian because i probably would have ended up as a hack or bottom feeder dj if you wouldent have posted this type of video.
getfockedman 2 years ago
I love it Brian. I field the exact phone calls & ask the same questions as yourself. Even after they read all the information on the website & view a SAMPLE ITINERARY GUIDELINE. I just shake my head & stare at my feet. All they seem to care about is the price, cheaper the better. Time to go back to halogen par cans & Mr.Microphone,lol not. Good video & keep em coming.
gregory31276 2 years ago
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Big shout to Caz, BrianSRedd, and Big Daddy. You guys are awesome!! Youre all straight forward and right on point with solid information regarding the DJ industry. I'm a new comer to the mobile DJ world but we all gotta start somewhere. I appreciate all your veteran advice because Ive worked a few gigs and have realized I have A LOT TO LEARN!! Keep the videos coming!!
~ Jaybird
M0T0RMAN74 2 years ago
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M0T0RMAN74 2 years ago
Yo im 15 i worked at chick fillet to get money to buy my technic 1200's, my numark mixer, my PA, my lights, and my speakers, all LEGAL records
cecti9 2 years ago
I suppose people who play club/bar/commercial don'r learn how to mix and can just press play and stop on a laptop and download all the populat new tunes for free. Personally I dislike this but the average club/bar customer doesn't care what the dj does, where he gets his music etc, all they care about are hearing all the new popular chart tunes. As for djd who play weddings etc, all I know is that for most people they want to hear the same old tunes at every gig, they don't care about reputation
anthmc 2 years ago
I think you are right about most youngers getting turntables and and mixer in the uk but I don't think these lot are really the mobile kind. Most for a start seem to be into mixing some form of underground dance where their only chance of playing live is at underground dance clubs, they have to be able to mix at least or they wouldn't get a gig, I suppose if using cd decks it makes this easier.
anthmc 2 years ago
Categorically agree. I disagree with a lot of things said on most YT DJ channels as someone who deals in theatrical sound engineering on a regular basis. These kids don't know what they're doing. They're not insured, they use "dodgy" equipment (mmm, piezos) which probably isn't safety tested, drive their amps into clipping half the time then wonder why they destroy drivers, and, most irritatingly of all, they think they're gods gift to both life, DJing and general sound technique. It's pathetic.
LightRig 2 years ago
@LightRig Funny you should say that. I started as an apprentice for a theatrica lighting and sound company when I was 14. I am now 30 and still don't know everything there is to know. But, just as quick as the kids are coming out, they'll be gone just as quick.
PrymeTymeEnter 2 years ago
There are some guys who under cut just to get their name out some of them are really bad,but most of the time you get what you pay for.
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BackwheelBandit 2 years ago
@BackwheelBandit
Um, yes. Routinely charging half of what your competitors are means that you are disrupting the economic balance in your area. If you have a crap system and are good at what you do charge 300. You are just taking money out of other DJs pockets as well as your own.
Oh and by the way, there is A LOT to be said about the value of a good DJ at the wedding. Most people remember the entertainment first. So the clients need to find another area to save their money.
mentalgump 2 years ago
Good video, in order to be able to handle the diversity and range of music at the average wedding, you need a lot of experience, at least, as you said, a year of full voluntary work with a good professional dj.
This means earning nothing, but its vital in order to provide the best service possible.
I think 13, 14, 15 well, anything below 18 is a bit too young in order to be able to perform at a wedding.
As for the underpricing thing, i don't think iv become victim to any of this?
julesmusicproduction 2 years ago
Brian!
The worst thing is not the hacks with POS gear, it's the hacks with PIRATED MUSIC!
I Buy allmost all my music, about $2000 a year, and i have donne this for over 18 years now, so do the math, *lol*
Botomfeeder = Buttfeeders
If a client don't / won't to spend good money on a deejay, well maybe they're not worth to work for anyway.
Most of us oldguys have one thing that BH's or BF's don't, and that's routine.
Also we know how to read a crowd or people, a computer or noob can't
DJSEvEN72 2 years ago
You'll understand it more after 10 years of hard gigging.
doctordeejay 2 years ago
A True professional is the accountant, vehicle mechanic, mailman, electronic engineer, musical expert, heavy equipment mover and ..... Oh, good with a crowd and able to use a microphone. LOL
Bottom feeders in Kansas City are barely able to answer the phone correctly. LOL
doctordeejay 2 years ago
I went to a disco where the dj was about 17 he was great with all the new music but if he played any onld music ie 60s,80s or 90s all he used was mixes which let him down.
MrFlibbles70 2 years ago
It's just people trying to get ahead in the world. When DJing goes out of style its going to crash and burn so hard. This guy sound like a bitter old fart. I think this dude is insecure about his own djing skills. If you are really good at what you do you don't have to put down other people. Djing is turning into a contrived bunch of crap. Because of people like this AND the bottom feeders.
BenBeanin 2 years ago
Did you just call me a bitter old fart?
Which part are you angry about? The fact that I intendified there are people out there giving DJs a bad name or the fact that I suggested Pro DJs improve thier customer service?
Because, if you were listening.. that's all I said!
briansredd 2 years ago 8
Keep your chin up bud. When the majority sees someone who is successful or a corporation do well, their first response is jealousy followed by the instinct to try and level the playing field. I come on here to see what new innovative ideas you and the others have to help the industry. I think I speak for many of the youtube "PROFESSIONAL" djs when I say, you are inspiring, captivating, and most helpful. Keep up the good work!
PrymeTymeEnter 2 years ago
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doctordeejay 2 years ago
All of my gear is legal and I own legal copies of many dj softwares.
I have personally bought all of my kit with my own money so if I don't get a gig I am at a loss.
At the minute I am just about broke even with what I have spent to what I gave earned.
My light show is one of the best out of the dj's in my area and so is my sound system.
If you want to know exactly what kit I have then just PM me or something.
By the way I'm only 14
NovaRoadshow 2 years ago
14 year olds can't be broke. And Im not sure if a 14 year old has Martin movingheads and dB technologies audio. (just example brands btw)
audioh0lic 2 years ago
One word says it all. Its about value... Value does not necessarily mean cheap. It does mean the best bang for your buck. I would rather spend more money on a reliable product than a cheap imitation. Picking a disc jockey is very similar...
PrymeTymeEnter 2 years ago
I agree, it's about value. Value is not necessarily cheap, and it's not necessarily expensive. Value is in the eye of the beholder. If the client feels they are getting their money's worth, that's all that matters.
iamroma 2 years ago
Brian, I know you are not getting upset, because all of us Pro DJ's know you are absolutely right. It is all about experience. And i may get some crap for this, but it is. You have a gig, and you mess something up, you know not to do it again, and once you get really good at what you do, you can charge people fairly, and then you should be able to judge other DJ's accordingly. I have a great amount of respect for you, and all of other DJ's who give 110% at every gig. Keep up the great work.
portnoyfan521 2 years ago
Hey brian:
I am 13 years old, have a professional soundsystem, get all my music legally, and run a legal copy of virtual DJ on my laptop computer. I've pay'd for every bit of it by working myself, doing odd jobs for people, babysitting and computer consulting. So, not ALL kdis are like this!
Twexzer 2 years ago
That's what Brian meant by disposable income. You did not have to pay your food, bills, taxes, insurance, whatever. I applaud you for having legal software, but it's nothing to brag about seeing as that's what you're supposed to do anyways.
I will give you props though. At 13 you are much more mature than most DJs in my area. Carrying portable hard drives everywhere they go ripping music, using a half assed system and a crappy laptop and charging mucho dinero.
MelodicRadiation21 2 years ago
this is happening with programmers and graphic artists too...
timabad 2 years ago
Yep. Kids get illegal copies of the software, know how to draw planets and think they are kings of the world.
MelodicRadiation21 2 years ago
i have an english bulldog named Niko---- That rocks Brian!
djscottyc 2 years ago 3
I'm just wondering how many people have Pit Bulls named Cookie... HA!
briansredd 2 years ago
i myself am 15 and own a small dj buisness adn when i get gvigs i charge 500 or more have large setup, my clients ask me if im BS and if im rippin them off but im a proffesional so these hacks are not only staining the reputations older djs and more expirenced djs but up and coming djs too.
redneck666l 2 years ago
Here is my perspective on this issue. it is one thing to buy some gear and say u are a dj. it is another thing to be able to mix and to get good. if someone is charging less it is probably because they are one of those people that say they are a dj just because they bought some gear. Now i am one of those kids that is buying dj gear. I do intend to charge less money for a short period of time because you are paying for setup, quality of the dj and EXPERIENCE.
audiofile210 2 years ago
Continuation of my previous comment: If someone is inexperienced it is not right for them to charge the same price as a pro. the thing is when you are inexperienced you can't say that u are a pro. in order to be a pro and to charge the same amount you need a good setup, experience and the ability to do a good job. if i charge low prices in the future it is because i or any newbie does not have the skills of a proffesional. this is just my opinion.
audiofile210 2 years ago
I think you are right
Trouble is, public perception is that a DJ is a DJ. This is why I did this video, to indentify a problem experienced Pros have and suggest how they address it.
briansredd 2 years ago
we are competing out in my area with a DJ who charges $50.00 and a ride to the gig( the client has to pick him and his gear up and take it to the event) to me that is unacceptable he advertises that he has all the latest but what does it matter that you have the gear but can't get it to the gig.
DJrepublicnf 2 years ago
I agree with this video although I am just starting myself I have gone to others in my area seeking advice and guidience, I work closely with them offer my help to them whenever possible. When I started I had one thing in mind providing a great service that people would be happy with at a fair market price, I have even spoken to the others in my area on their pricing just to make sure I am not undercutting, if people choose me I want it to be for the quiality of my services not the price.con't
DJrepublicnf 2 years ago
those dogs kill people should be banned
AndyTUK84 2 years ago
The black & white one only kills people who come into my house & try to steal my DJ gear. HA!
briansredd 2 years ago
Its funny to watch wannabe's. They will always be wannabe's thats what makes them a wannabe. Tough it out and have faith that your quality of equipment and experience will ensure your survival. U can give BS Redd 2 tape decks and a handfull of cassettes and I bet he could out DJ 95% of the wannabe's (im not suckin ass here, but a fact is a fact, 20+ yrs exp dude) So all you youngsters with insecure feelings about your skill, STFU, be better at DJing and it could be you tellin some punk he sux
DJ9D9 2 years ago
I disagree when you say ''when a client gets a bad DJ, they feel all DJs are bad''
They should know that the really just got a bad DJ.
JackDooner 2 years ago 6
They SHOULD, and sometimes they do, but the general public perception of DJs as a whole becomes less than favorable.
Let's say the client DOES know that the DJ they hired is a beginner or less than Pro... does the entire audience realize this? Or, do they say to themselves...
"Oh man, that wasn't very good at all.. maybe we should just make our own playlists for an iPod for that party we're doing next year"
briansredd 2 years ago
My respects to you for posting your opinions and sharing your views on this topic that has plaqued us for many years.
Our tools have changed, the way we interact with the world has changed. Yet our view of what is a professional DJ has remained a stereotype that has been fueled by the untalented and the naive.
satisfactionentertai 2 years ago
your sort of right on the Uk thing, alot of kids have a set up of some kind
at the age of 9 i spent over £1500 on my gear and its grown since and its always looked professional. Trouble is when somone phones me and says how old are you? as soon as they know im 17 it puts them off. OK i charge less than say a 35 year old because people have this sterotpical view that im going to wreck the party and wont play anything pre 2003 so in some respect we have to charge slightly less to get the work
jazzyjaxroadshow 2 years ago
I agree with you Brian. I have been in the industry for 33 years, and it's more of a passion than a business for me. In my opinion, it's an honor and privlege to be in this business. Kepp it up. REMINDER: Please post a Revo 4 video. I'm interested in getting one as well as the Revo 3. Thanks
nydispatch 2 years ago
Nice one..... agree. all logical. keep em commin Bri! j
ellaskins 2 years ago
The only thing people are worried about is ''which person is cheapst''
And btw if people who DJ which is funded by familly, they are having fun, they would not be a DJ otherwise....
And it's called being competitive.... Drop your prices if you're loosing business, the clients don't care what gear/ speakers the DJ has.... They just want the cheapest person who will play music..... Nobdy cares if the lights are worth 5000$ and are amazing... the cheapest light you can find will do fine etc.
JackDooner 2 years ago
There's a difference between being competitive and being an asshole. You are right though, people are paying for the equipment AND the service.
Also, "family funded" DJs. It's not whether they are having fun, but whether their crowd is. That's what DJs are paid for... (usually anyways)
MelodicRadiation21 2 years ago
What i'm saying is that clients don't know if you have Macky speakers with Pioneer CDJ's or if you have the cheapest walk-man with pc speakers...
they don't know. All they can see is the price and how much is in their pockets at the end of the day.
Yes it is important the people have a good time but all people want is the latest club tunes and some old classic's...
it's easy to get that....
Thanks, Jack.
JackDooner 2 years ago
@JackDooner. I think you're wrong here. The most important thing that people care about is references, especially for important events like weddings. Price is a second consideration, unless they are on a very tight budget, then they aren't paying for an expensive DJ in any case.
iamroma 2 years ago
Yes i agree, there ust be references.
But what i'm trying to say is that clients don't know if you have Macky speakers with Pioneer CDJ's or if you have the cheapest walk-man with pc speakers...
they don't know. All they can see is the price and how much is in their pockets at the end of the day.
Yes it is important the people have a good time but all people want is the latest club tunes and some old classic's...
it's easy to get that....
Thanks, Jack.
JackDooner 2 years ago
arrogant purists reluctant to see their hobby getting popular...
mattrauch81 2 years ago
For many of them it's not their hobby, it's their life's work. Pretend you're a teacher and they push your retirement up for something like part-time teachers because they are cheaper. Same thing in their eyes.
MelodicRadiation21 2 years ago
nah, you ruind it - LOL good comment hehehehe
C0ldFart 2 years ago
A lot of times those "fly by night guys" aren't around long in the area once they bomb once or three times. Now here's the catch, there are soooo many of them that pop up left and right that it makes it tough sometimes to sell myself. I'll get asked what this guy will cost them $150 and I charge $1,000 on up.Sometimes it's easier for me to just show them some of my video clips and my pictures on my web site. They see how pro it all is and they question nothing again.
Bottom feeders suck
RokDAWG1 2 years ago
Here is something to think about. My first wedding gig went beautifully. I did my research, I took a lot of time to prepare, and I did a great job. My clients were satisfied, I kept people dancing, and I never misrepresented anything. I also charged less, because I didn't have any references from other wedding clients, only from private parties. DJs have to start somewhere, and those who are just starting out HAVE to charge less, otherwise they can't compete with established DJs. Fact.
iamroma 2 years ago
yea exactly, and a novice dj probably shouldnt get payed as much as an experienced one anyway
DudasMiska 2 years ago
There's a difference between charging less for a decent service and charging less for shit.
MelodicRadiation21 2 years ago
Thanks for stating the obvious. Brian clearly has a problem with charging less, regardless of whether the client was satisfied or not. He calls DJs who charge less "bottom feeders", which is a purposely derogatory term. Hacks are another issue, although I don't think Brian has defined that term very clearly, except to say that it applies to DJs that are below his standard. The problem is, his "standard" is not clearly defined, thus it's not surprising that more DJs took offence than he expected.
iamroma 2 years ago
I'm suprised so many kids have the NERVE to THINK they are UP to PRO STANDARD because they bought some kit, downloaded some MP3s, and (and this is the best part) watched MY BASIC tutorial videos.
Listen Roma, I didn't make up the terms BOTTOM FEEDER and HACK. They are REAL TERMS used in this business. Perhaps if you were actually involved in this business as a PRO you MAY have heard them
briansredd 2 years ago
Just because someone else made up the terms "bottom feeder" and "hack" doesn't mean it's OK to apply those terms to other DJs, simply because you don't agree with how much they charge or what equipment they use. Being a "pro", doesn't justify being rude.
iamroma 2 years ago 3
:: claps ::
You're absolutely right Brian. It's hard to be an amateur DJ and most teenagers just try and skip that step. Problem is those difficulties are what make you a pro later on in life.
MelodicRadiation21 2 years ago
But no, go ahead... Fuck up public perception of this business that pro djs who PAID THIER DUES worked SO hard to legitamize, going WAY back to the battle between Bands & DJs with your lower than ethical prices. After all, it's all about YOU at the end of the day, isn't it?
briansredd 2 years ago
Brian, I understand your argument. However, you take it upon yourself to define what "ethical prices" are and what "pro standard" is. I disagree with your definitions. You can now get a decent and inexpensive mobile DJ setup and music collection. It doesn't matter whether it was expensive "back in the old days". Fact is, we live in a capitalist society, and business is not about making your competition happy, it's about making money. If another DJ wants to charge less, it's their right.
iamroma 2 years ago
Brian never said it wasn't their right. He just said it was a problem, dumbass.
MelodicRadiation21 2 years ago
@Melodic...I figured you couldn't hold an intelligent debate for very long without resorting to insults. If Brian and you recognize it's their right to charge less, then I think calling them "bottom feeders" who "eat sh*t" is not only disrespectful, but it also undermines your position as a professional. There is a difference between specific professional criticism and crude generalizations. Calling legitimate DJs offensive names is not the proper way to distinguish yourself from them.
iamroma 2 years ago
Do yourself a favor and don't try and insult my intelligence again. Calling someone a dumbass and subtly calling them an idiot are not much different. You'll note that I never called myself a professional. I'm not. What is your definition of a legitimate DJ? Whether you are a beginner DJ or an expert DJ, you're still an effing DJ. As for the difference between pro criticism and crude generalizations: I'm pretty sure you're wrong... in other words, I think you're a dumbass. Peace.
MelodicRadiation21 2 years ago
Once again, you're shown your desperate nature. For the record, I didn't call you an idiot or intend to, apparently you just have low self esteem, so that's how you interpreted my argument. My definition of a "legitimate DJ" is a DJ who is honest with his customers, and delivers what is promised. This is irrespective of what equipment or how much experience they have. Also, "you're wrong" is not a very convincing argument, you might want to think a little harder next time.
iamroma 2 years ago
You don't have to be honest and deliver on promises to not be a hack or a bottom feeder. Which was the whole point of this discussion. As for a desperate nature, you are the one who keeps coming back here and insulting not only my intelligence but now my so-called self-esteem. If you want to be a capitalist keep it up. Not like I'm taking your business away seeing as I'm not in the industry in Russia. So go piss up a tree.
MelodicRadiation21 2 years ago
@iamroma I LIVE IN DETROIT MICHIGAN THERE ARE GOOD DJ's THAT BUMPED FROM SOME LESS SKILLED(BOTTOM FEEDER) WITH LIMITED SKILLS(HACKS)
I WAS BOOKED FOR A WEDDING B4 I GOT MY DEPOSITE THE BRIDES BRO. SAY HE WOULD CHARGE CHEAPER
I ATTENDED I NEVER SEEN A X-BOX DJ
THAT MADE ME LAUGH NO LIGHTS.....THE BRIDE ASK ME TO RESCUE THE RESEPTION I FELT DIS-RESPECTED I CHARGED HER EXTRA $200 BUT THAT DIDNT MAKE ME FEEL BETTER I JUST WANTED EVERYONE THE SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN SKILLS
AND PASSION.
djdoc313 2 years ago
It's not about charging less... it's about charging a fee that supports a legitimate operation that buys legal music, maintains liability insurance and proper, professional grade equipment..
If you are charging any amount of money for your services as a "DJ" and not purchasing your music from legit sources or operating on pro eqipment, you are a hack. If you consistently charge below the average in your area, you are a bottom feeder.
creativedjs 2 years ago
Most DJs don't calculate their expenses out (music, fuel, cell phone, insurance etc) before they quote a price for a gig.
I did mine and if I do 8 gigs a month, I need to charge $235 just for my bills, then add on to that how much I want to get paid.
This is why I can't figure out how legit DJs can charge $40/hr
creativedjs 2 years ago
cute pups brian!
fluxfielder 2 years ago
I do however agree that there are a certain group of so called Dj's that will blatantly undercut another Dj to get a booking, I personally welcome the competition as Myself and alot of other mobile Dj's know that once the client has had a single bad experience, they will always return to a tried and tested Dj that they know and will do a much better job... & very few cleints will want to be bitten twice so to speak, therefore stay very loyal. . . Regards.... Dj Shylo
DjShylo 2 years ago
Hi Brian...firstly..not all people / teenagers are Dj's in the UK.. altohugh i have to admit , it is a growing past time.. and in response to a point you made..If a 14 or 15 year old teenager is out gigging then surely they would be breaking the law, because as you well know we Dj's need insurance and various licenses just to be able to play legally.. not to mention the fact that in england you have to be 18 to obtain said insurance.... there are however a minority of people who do undercut....
DjShylo 2 years ago
the professional Dj, but.. everyone has to start somewhere..I started out with an extremely basic set up and progressed to where i am today through hard work and dedication to the industry i love. Bottom Feeders or Hak's as you call them will always get found out for what they truly are, good or bad, the bad ones never get repeat bookings and quickly fall by the wayside...the good ones progress tro better things and usually end up like you and me....working Dj's...
DjShylo 2 years ago
If you ask me it's like saying everyone is a professional driver because they have a license. Even the biggest idiot out there can get a license, but it takes more than that to be called a pro. Same goes for DJs. Even the biggest idiot can buy a set of turntables and a mixer. Doesn't mean he's a pro DJ.
MelodicRadiation21 2 years ago
really good advice on what to do about it !!
I always ask the same questions to the clients after they start asking me like the ones you just mencioned!!
M0NT3R0805 2 years ago
really good advice
doggy's ruin everything.
cats FTW!
defect530 2 years ago
:: sneezes ::
sorry what?
MelodicRadiation21 2 years ago
*cough *cough
dogs suck! ;)
defect530 2 years ago
:: achoo ::
still can't hear you. lol
(for the record I'm allergic to both :P)
MelodicRadiation21 2 years ago
@briansredd I DJ's have to start somewhere we need guidance and advice from other DJ's. I would classify myself as a bottom feeder after watching this video, but the diffrence from them is i bought gear cause i truely wanted to DJ and i worked on my summer vacations just to buy the gear. (no help from mom and dad) I have two gigs coming up one today and one next friday and i am not even advertising myself, i get recommended to other people throwing parties and such because i try my hardest .
frescasipper 2 years ago 2
There are EVEN professionals out there not conducting themselves to the best of their ability.
It is not just the part time DJs, nor is it just new DJs with 'cheaper' equipment.
Maxsdiscos 2 years ago
It is a tough industry to be in at the moment because of the digital music revolution. There is less money to be had and more people competing for it . I know far too many DJs that still download music for free off Limewire and other P2P programs, even one who works for a record company himself. We are making money with not only our talents but also the talents of others. Also your clients deserve a good quality non-distorted sound so get some pro audio, I know its expensive but it is worth it.
DJSoundDog 2 years ago
I agree with you Brian, although I come under the group "hacks/bottom feeders", I have built my own DJ system at 16 but yet I spent nearly €1000 on it (700 being of mine own saved up) and I know how to beatmatch and all that jazz, I've been djing for 2 years but only got my DJ system in the last few months and I'm not getting any gigs at al...
wexfordlad14 2 years ago
@wexfordlad14
Well then your not really who Brian is targeting this at I don't think. He seems to be getting at those using say a home stereo (consumer audio) set-up and charging money for gigs at this lower level and so giving the real pros a bad rap.
DJSoundDog 2 years ago
ahright ok man thanx :D
wexfordlad14 2 years ago
I'm on anyone who gives this industry a bad name weather they have the best gear on the planet or a home stereo with an iPod...
But no, you are not a bottom feeder... you are not out there pretending to be pro with ultra low prices.
briansredd 2 years ago
haha wtf
DJTGM 2 years ago
ouch hack/bottom feeder dj.
try looking at the extra side.
a man in 30's, no job, cannot afford QUALITY stuff.
has a pair of china made speakers, an old amplifier, spot lamps, a pentium M laptop and a passion for music.
can do small gigs like birthdays anniversaries etc.
earns little but gives him joy and some comfort in life.
who are we to judge these small timers who are also passionate to dj'ing but arent lucky enough to have the money to buy the so called high quality equipments?
KuyaChe 2 years ago
@KuyaChe Dear Friend, He's not talking about 30 year old's. He's mainly talking about early teens who are using their parents money to buy equipment and who really doesn't respect the industry.
If someone has the passion for music and DJing they would learn how to do it the proper way. If you learn the proper skills and if you are a good entertainer then I don't think equipment really matters.
But think of this you or a family member is getting marrie and hires a DJ... Cont...
ishanpw 2 years ago
@KuyaChe You've gotten the reception hall nicely done and would you want a Kid DJ (Has really good equipnent) who can't entertain the crowd. Or would you have a guy who has crappy equiment at a venue where everything else looks beautiful? I guess not.
If it were me I'd go for the guy who had good equipment and the talent to enhance that special event.
ishanpw 2 years ago
If you listen to what I actually said, it was that the problem was going to get even worse. Inexperienced teens were used as an example as to what we have to look forward to.
They are not the only offenders, though.
AND I never told anyone to stop DJing... All I suggested was that the TRUE pros need to UP thier sales game and educate thier clients.
briansredd 2 years ago
I recently went to Crazy Horse (West Covina, CA) and the DJ was just looking at his screen and just mixing away. He didn't care if there were people dancing or not. Basically he wasn't playing to the crowd. He was doing it as if he were playing DJ hero or something like that. These guys don't interact with the crowd..
When I learnt to DJ I used my good old years beatmatch, find the cue points etc. I like serato because it gives me mobility (And I only use Abs mode & only use it to load songs)
ahjwille 2 years ago
Brian one more thing I wan to add to this is DJ softwares where they do Auto mixing and also softwares like serato where it allows a regular Joe to beat match without using headphones (or any DJing skills)
I use serato so that i don't have to carry crates of vinyl. But there are DJ's (so called Dj's) out there who uses these software like a video game to match beats and do all kinds of stuff. All you see is these guys starring at the monitor just mixing away.
ahjwille 2 years ago
excellent video mate. I know you and I spoke about this at BPM when you were over here. We can carry on the convo at mobile beat lol. Hope you are well.
thedjbusiness 2 years ago
im no bottom feeder - i have nice gear and i charge a good price for all parties
djfrankis 2 years ago
I COMPLETELY AGREE! the $100 wedding DJ... WHAT A JOKE! I know several in my area and confronted them.....Lets bring my RCA 200 watt system.... Seriously these weddings are lousy at best, its more like having a friend play music though an mp3 player with NO experience. You want quality, pay for quality. Some people recognize that you want quality and they are the smart ones, others price drives decision, they pay for it when their wedding day comes and it is terrible.
RockTheHouse4 2 years ago
Firstly, quit the caps. Secondly, no - at no point have I undercut people or de-valued the industry. I went out and learned, acquired money through other work and then purchased good gear. I had been messing about at home/work with turntables/CDJs for years so I could already mix. I'm now mostly nightclub orientated anyway so I don't need to worry about being undercut so much as mobile guys.
Also, I am willing to bet that 99.9% of hack DJs have no insurance and illegal music.
chazhs 2 years ago
damn this is true
djbigron 2 years ago
thats so true im 15 but im a profeesional i had to work many weekends to get my dj gear and thats what i say people asked me why i charge that much but i told them im a professional dj they can see it when i setup my gear but some people mostly just r trying to get it cheap
djsmithy14 2 years ago
I think that "hacks" shouldn't work for the general public and stick to doing events by referral only. They shouldn't be out there, trying to sell themselves, as I'm sure a lot of them do.
I'm no pro, and I know it. I let the people who ask me to gig for them know that hiring a pro will probably provide a better show (especially as far as lighting is concerned). At the same time, I do have the gear to do a basic gig, so I could do it if they wanted me to still.
Excellent vid!
BUDJE1000 2 years ago
I think in this video the underlying reason which alot of offended DJ's aren't seeing is that the controversial comments made in this video is to open you mind to the point of view. Sometimes it take getting a couple of smacks up side the head to get people to realize a change that may need to be made. Although sometimes I wonder if DJ's that have put in the years might be offended by the speed at which younger DJ's have moved into the market without putting in there TIME
Ok im ready hit me
millsproduction1 2 years ago
How about another point of view
there are dj companies that under cut the price of many DJ's then bring nothing but a table and couple of speakers. They have an attitude that if the customers are going to under pay then they get a lower quality system. But its the dj that set the price so low. So its a domino effect. It will take time dealing with poor dj quality over time to swing the attitudes of the customer the other way. Where they say you get what you pay for.
Lee :)
millsproduction1 2 years ago
im surprised your not a partner by now. you do great work
TheRhinoAutobot 2 years ago
iPod DJs... lol :)
deejayrobbied 2 years ago
...continued from below
Really talk to your dj and get to know him before you schedule them. Every once in awhile you might find a dj that is just starting out, is really good, and is cheaper!! But that djs prices wont stay low for a long period of time! people need to spend a little extra on the djs for their event because the dj IS THE PARTY!! Brian I think you said this in another video, "A dj can make or break your wedding," (or any events). I Agree with you Brain!!
The1DJGray 2 years ago
....continued...
There are a lot of older djs out there though that have a couple derbys and speakers and they call themself a dj! (There is a lot of them in Fresno). Those djs will charge only a few hundred dollars!! Dont be fooled by the price because your event wont turn out nice!! Go with someone that cares about their equipment and doesnt buy cheap stuff because those are the djs who love djing and ARENT in it for only their money!!
The1DJGray 2 years ago
i just have a pacemaker and i do free gigs am i still a Hack or bottom feeder?
blody22JIMMY 2 years ago
Ive been dj for about a year. When I started all I had was a laptop and some house speakers. Everyone Has to start somewhere. I have got more professional gear. As I get more professional gear and have felt more comfortable I have started to charge more. But I guess I was a hack dj that sucks. lol but I feel more confident in what im doing and get better every gig. With better gear but you have to make money some why to purchase this expensive gear and music.
irgarza52 2 years ago
I'm a club DJ at the moment so this mobile stuff is rather new to me. I'm eager to learn more about it, and I'm putting effort into learning how to do it. So I hope I can be at least a step above a "Hack" DJ. Enjoying the videos Mr. Brian.
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-JT
69e5d9e4 2 years ago
I think we all have to start somewhere. Money don't grow on trees, so us young people can only get so much for starting out. I put 2Gs into a PA and a couple lights, and have yet to get any mobile work. At this point, I would never charge more than $200 for a gig simply because I can't put on a big enough show with what I have at the time. The pros didn't start out PRO, and they had to once be a "bottom feeder" before they became a pro. We hafta start at the $25 party's before the $500+ gigs.
69e5d9e4 2 years ago
well im what you call a bottom feeder ... but i only do gigs for my friends and relatives .
polakrenegade 2 years ago
Great Video Bri,
WONDERFUL control of your 'babies' at the end lol
Cheers, Steve
spindocsmusic 2 years ago
I think they try to obey, but they just can't help themselves. HA!
briansredd 2 years ago
They either love you too much.... (or you had snacks)
spindocsmusic 2 years ago
They seem a bit like my dog, just gets way too excited over nothing
DJSoundDog 2 years ago
I agree, best way for me to explain it,I used to sell Rainbow Vaccums, They sell for $2500 dallors, How do you sell a Vaccum to people for $2500? You you show them the value in it,$50 vaccum at Wal-mart or a $2500 vaccum. If you cant show the value in you as aDJ, then you will be the dj that under bids the others cause you have nothing to offer but sound,, but if you can sell your services and A DISC JOCKEY then you will be a respected DJ and will make a carrer at it.
itsj1train 2 years ago
I agree brian there are alot of djs who charge way to cheap that are driving the market down. they take gigs dirt cheap and new brides think its the new average
sainifabulous 2 years ago
"Be a pro..and show em what your made of"
PERFECTLY said. =]
xxbouncexx88 2 years ago
Only thing is, alot of us "kids" are just starting and we cant charge that much, and we usually have to charge less than what an older dj would have; I understand that theirs alot of bottom feeders but there alot of us at young age who have talent, good ear, and practise hard to do good :/ just saying dont hate on the young djs who are just starting
ThePavin 2 years ago
i agree! not all people are good but there are some good "bottom feeders" out there!
smileyjoe614 2 years ago
Definitely agree with you Pavin, I started Djing at 14, now 15 and have done a couple of gigs already. I have done a couple of gigs, and have received compliments : ). A lot of "kids" are getting practice and are getting good. There are some kids who are bottom feeders, but not all. At one party the DJ was using an acer laptop with windows media player...
Persianbmw94 2 years ago
Here in my area some of the local DJS don't ever talk on the mic I guess they are mic shy. so that is the number one question around here.
bluetech7753 2 years ago
I went out to a school "Disco" (lol) and the dj had a set of Behringer speakers and a laptop with iTunes.
He called himself a pro.
>_________________>
Stinger401 2 years ago
so true brian. i've never been to england but just take a look at blogtv and see how many djs are on their doing a mix show. i was in best buy a few days ago, and passed by a mother who was trying to talk her son out of buying a numark ipod dj system. she wanted him instead to get the dj hero video game so that "the whole family could play." the son told her, "we could play on either one!" I wanted to slap the kid!!! I mean i agree the ipod dj is not a dj, but damn. THIS IS NOT A GAME!
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BOBBYBLENDZ 2 years ago
That is the best advise, be a pro, go out there and show them what you're made of, that is what sells, you put in your 110% and you get business.
odavila78 2 years ago
well said
cmbmusic 2 years ago
Brian you've got very good points! its not total garbage what your saying, yes it tough to compete with the younger guys that are way under cutting us, but the way you get your clients is by being a pro with them. When you sitting down with them you explain yourself, how you work, all the thing you do, how you do them, why you do them, you give them hints about how the reception should go based on all your experience. Usually all of the warrants the price we charge and they'll see that and book.
uptownxpress 2 years ago 2
Brian Yes your right. There are apples, and there are oranges, and even some nuts, that just don't get it..
There are Professionals, Hobbyists, and Bottom Feeders. The question is where do any of the so called DJ'S out there, place themselves, and why?
Thanks Brian for having the courage to address this issue.
DJAdvise 2 years ago
This video is 100% true from start to finish. Although I never defined myself as professional just because I have pro gear, at the end of the day,if the client believes you're a pro and is satisfied with your work then that's all that counts in the end. I think most of us start out as "hacks" but as time goes by, we get smarter and wiser and we graduate into the more professional levels.
Just keep in mind that in the end Customer Service and being accessible will always win out in the end.
traxonwax 2 years ago 2
Now this is a topic of conversation, to be proud of...
I have raised my prices this year, and have been busier than last year...and a number of occasions the customers have chosen my service than a lower priced dj. Educating/informing the customer as to why you are worth what you can charge is key.
jasperibe 2 years ago 3
Stupid video. unsubscribed.
MCDiscos 2 years ago
LMAO getting sensitive are we
DudasMiska 2 years ago 2
Intellegent video, you just are not mature enough to take it in
briansredd 2 years ago
Brian, you basically said that all under 18 DJs are cowboys..is ridiculous, completely untrue. Yours and Jonathans videos have been getting more and more outrageous, i was actually disgusted with J's video about playing music at a gig through YOUTUBE. not only is this highly illegal, it wont be good enough quality, and to me, is a total disgrace, When i first started, i'd literally do and listen to everything you 2 said. Now i've learnt from many other people, on helpful forums, to not.
MCDiscos 2 years ago
No, actually what I said, if you listen to what I said insted of what you felt offended you, is that there are a lot of hacks and bottom feeders out there.... many young enexperienced DJs are frequent offenders AND were used as an example.
This wasn't a video to hate young DJs, this was a video explaining that a PRO DJ who is being undercut by a bottom feeder needs to step up his/her sales game.
briansredd 2 years ago
And it's GOOD that you are getting input from other DJs. That's what you are suppose to do. You can't be Johnathan or me or anyone else. You have to be yourself and the best way to do this is to get as much information from as many sources as possible.
briansredd 2 years ago
So i am intelligent enough to understand it, and its people that play music from YOUTUBE that are letting the industry down, not us.
MCDiscos 2 years ago
Oh get your head out of your arse. I don't for one second believe J would play music from YouTube out on a gig, quit your holier-than-thou attitude and grow up.
chazhs 2 years ago
Yet he advises others to?...
MCDiscos 2 years ago
very good video Brian., I'm glad that someone finally explained Hacks & Bottom Feeders. All of us as professionals need to explain this to our clients. Thank you!
clubstartv 2 years ago