unfortuntly these muslim preachers are always taking words from other holy books as absolute truth handed down from god. they are not, they too are written down by man. but then these people claim the koran is absolute unchanged words of god, but when you read the koran it' sno more truthful than othe rholy books. it's all fantasies written down by man with very little historical accuries.
@desiguy55 We do so because your preachers and all of the christian dominations claim that the bible is word for word inspired by God to the authors of the bible. if you are one of the very few who doesn't believe that doesn't mean that we should ignore the vast majority and stick to your belief!!
Regarding your critique to the Quran, you can talk all day long about the historical inaccuracies but you will never ever ever be able to provide one valid evidence.
Love it. MashAllah (meaning: Allah (God) has willed it. ) This Brother is preaching the Truth.... Worship ONE God, THE CREATOR, THE ONE WHO MADE EVERYTHING, Worship HIM alone.... and do not worship the creation (things that are made by God).... Including Mankind, Earth, etc. Do not be deceived. Jesus (Isa) is a man, a Prophet, who preached the Religion of God, thus follow his ways of worshiping TO GOD... not worship him, Jesus (Isa), peace be upon him.
That proves that God does not exist? Just because you think? You're ready to believe that there are another galaxy yet you never left the ground. He must already know everything that exists on earth before trying to know who God is. and doubt his existence. Be serious! .
I agree,pardon me for my arrogance.However,Atheism is not a belief,but a lack of belief.I do not know that there isn't a deity,but I do not believe there's is one.see the difference? Lack of belief is what I have,I do not claim to KNOW anything for sure-that would be religious.
So what? One religion out argues another? All this proves is that one Theist is better at arguing the convoluted and delusional belief of God than the other.They are both missing the fact that the God they are arguing over doesn't exist. Anyone can learn ancient fiction and argue it. Congratulations on stumping the Christian though, that made me laugh.
@johnnywalker1974 you also argue for the delusional belief of atheism .. we all argue everyday in our lives for things we believe in .. that doesn't make all of us wrong! even scientists argue!!
So what? One religion out argues another? All this proves is that one Theist is better at arguing the convoluted and delusional belief of God than the other.They are both missing the fact that the God they are arguing over doesn't exist. Anyone can learn ancient fiction and argue it.
ALLAHU AKBAR!! Although this must have been an very hard moment for our christen friend, I find it hilarious how Deedat grabs his hand and wants to take the shahada with him. SubhaanAllah!! May Allah have mercy on him! And may Allah guide our christian friend. Ameen.
Uncle Deedat (may Allah s.w.t. blessed his soul) is a learned man, but I suppose the Bible saga is such a small issue. He could just returned it to the missionary. No need to take it from the poor boy.
Our Hero Ahmad Deedat RahimaHULLAH Rahmatan waasi'a he defeted anyone so called Christian believers but luckly we have more and more like him and they will defeat anyone who challenge them .
Interesting video but not impressive. I've watched a few videos of Deedat teaching and he seems to understand things pritty well, but the christian is only a missionary. You don't have to understand Christianity inside out to become one. To become is missionary is more of a calling from God.
This video is putting a muslim scholar before a everyday christian and letting them argue their relgions. It's obvious what would happen.
I think the fact that this Muslim preacher probably prepared his questions beforehand certainly went in his favour. Furthermore, the Christian preacher is just a young man and obviously has a lot to learn, patience for one, something that we all could learn at times. The bible is after all a big book, and the study of it has taken many centuries and multiple scholars. Its also bit weird that he is arguing about a book that the so called prophet Mohammed got some of his inspiration from.
As you know Shk Deedat is a preacher. SO, he know what he's talking about ... the young man CAME to shk Deedat's office without any appointments SO Shk Deedat did not prepare special material for this young man ... and saying that prophet Muhammad got some of his inspiration from is a BIG LIE, exactly like the life of the SUN GOD. yes with U not O
I did see some Deedats arguments based on Cherubim previously, and I believe he is totally incorrect. The dictionary may state that Cherubim are little Children; however, there is no reference to Cherubim being children that I can find in the actual Bible. Furthermore, the scripture he was quoting, I believe is actually from a vision or dream, not someone physically witnessing God riding on a Cherubim. Furthermore, the sexual connotation was implied only by him, not the actual scripture itself.
Sir, everybody can explain everything, but is his explanation right? you can keep explaining and at the end of the day authoritative figures in Christianity admit the childish image of Cherubim .. you can see it in the their paintings in the Vatican
That may very well be how people consider Cherubim to be, but that is certainly not what I have found the Bible to say. Just because popular culture accepts it as true certainly doesnt mean it is, I personally dont accept everything that is outside of the bible as being a true biblical account. Would you accept everything outside of the Quran as being part of the Islamic faith?
u're trying to run away from the Vatican ... Vatican is not a cultural resort .. they are an authoritative Christian institution .. and the pope is an authoritative Christian figure ... Cherubim is not painting on a wall in a slum area .. your religious authorities admit this so get over it my friend ..
Is the Vatican really a Christian institution? Because, I personally dont consider myself as a Catholic, and I personally disagree with some of the Catholic traditions that have no Biblical mention. Furthermore, would you as a Muslim consider all Muslims to be a true representation of the Muslim faith? Mr Deedats argument has been rebuffed already, and thats ok we are all humans, but in this instance I would certainly say that his argument has no actual grounding.
If you don't believe in this Cherubim, congratulations. I am really happy for you and you arrived to the right conclusion. But for those you still believe it with the support of Vatican without a Biblical reference, exactly like Christmas, they have to reject it .. As long as they believe it we will argue with them .. P.S: I won't argue with you about the meaning of Cherubim cos it is not the main point of this video .. peace
Dont get me wrong brother, I didnt arrive at that conclusion because anything that you have said, in fact its a belief that I have had for a long time, that anything outside of the Bible is not admissible as a Biblical account. Furthermore, I would also like to say that I certainly do believe in Cherubim, just not based on a description based on a painting on some ceiling. Thanks for posting my messages, I sincerely send you my regards, peace be with you.
If you think that it is a set-up thing, you should consider watching the full video ( 3 hours long) .. see how you can download the video in the description box. peace
His intention is to take it back, listen to what he said when Shk Ahmed Deedat told him "this is stealing". If his intention not to leave with it he wouldn't say "but it's my bible I want it back, my parents gave it to me" ... Shk Dedaat was kinda tough on him, but this is exactly what you need to do to prevent your children from having something poisonous..
That's very interesting, because the Jewish "Golden Age" was when the Jews lived side-by-side with Muslims in the middle ages. Under Muslim rule, the Jews were able to prosper in every way possible and were able to contribute to the sciences, philosophy, theology, etc, without persecution.
Indeed, and amongst them were great physicians and philosophers like Ibn Maimon .. believe me I read his book "Guide for the Perplexed" or "Moreh Nevochim" and it gives me hard time lol great work ..
I'm sorry that is not true. When someone puts something in the bin, it means they do not want it any more. There's no difference where that bin is. Peace to you too.
Yes, it means he doesn't want it and he WILL throw it in the garbage .. it is a matter of organizing .. so sence he didn't throw it yet in the garbage which usually outside the building, no one has the right to take it .. for he owner could at anytime take it back for it is in his place ... shalom havir shli, atta na'ar tov me'od vebe'ezrat hashem nidabir ..
There's no question the missionary was completely outwitted, however I didn't think it was necessary for the shk to push the point of the "robbery". He'd already made the point, why did he then have to scare the hell out of him by being so mean?
it's in the bin, and the bin in the office of Shk Ahmed Deedat at anytime he could take his thing back from the bin .. so unless the bin in the street waiting for the garbage car to come, it is stealing. peace
a term of respect. In Middle East when we encounter a stranger we either call him/her uncle/aunt or brother/sister .. depends on their age. it is more like Sir/Madam in the west.
OK. Talking aabout faith though-The one thing I note about all religions is that the underlying mission statement is " other religions are preaching / teaching false doctrine" between the Sunnis, Shias, Wahabis,Nation of Islam, like the Catholics, Baptists, Protestants, Pentecostals, as they all beleive in the same "basic texts" the underlying fact is that they all have the NEED for indentication as "that group" & is seen by themselves as " special".
Believing in the same text doesn't mean we all have the same understanding because human understanding changes by experience and time .. so what our forefathers saw as acceptable we today see it not. So Each group claim that their understanding is transmitted from the first generation of the religion and had not influenced by the changing of people's understanding which means its authenticity .. such a group indeed needs a name to separate itself from the rest false doctrines
I know..But it doesn't change anything, as this always has and will continue..That is my point, that everyone believes that " they" are the "ones" and minimize the others. This seems to be a human trait, based in the human evolutionary process.
No you missed the point. The people on false doctrine are indeed got to their doctrine by evolution. However, those on the right doctrine believe that they are the one who has the authentic unchanged doctrine that came directly from God through his prophet. So in conclusion, having variety of doctrines means that there was one authentic one and the rest developed over the time and thus it is false and not authentic. Saying God is one is authentic doctrine, adding in trinity this is a false doctr
That depends on what U believe, who U believe & how far one want's to go back...Were the Sumerians right? Were there indeed UFO's that came down and were in constant contact with them..NO ? (There is a doctrine for that). OK then..were the Buddists correct that we are all really nothing but creatures of transformation..i.e= I was a frog in my life, my next life, I'll be a polar bear, maybe?Think harder about what U believe and WHY you believe it. What makes sense 2 U wont b the same 2 others !
You see, with your generalization you include your beliefs as part of an evolutionary process. We should agree on something, there is only one truth. Now the process of figuring out the truth is a matter of debate and discuss .. don't look at 10 false doctrines and say all of the doctrines are false and have been evolved over time .. don't mix things up. there are trillions of false doctrines and one is the true doctrine which I believe is Islam.
This stuff never, ever ends. Look at Iran, Look at Saudi Arabia, look at Iraq, they're ALL basically Islamic, yet, and aren't any more "brothers" than any other countries on earth. People's minds are short sighted, the whole idea of " unity" in anything is impossible...always has been. I take heavy note that all things in nature naturally compete. From the smallest microbe 2 the largest creature in the sea, everything competes, all living things. Joining a tribe makes us all feel "right". TRUE?
@gblueslover2 u r mixing up. First, there is no Islamic countries. Not even one. However, there r Muslim countries .. there r a huge difference between the two. Having problems between Muslims is a healthy thing, that means we all think independently .. Iraq was leaded by Ba'athi, Iran Shi'ite, Saudi Sunni. So we are not all believe in the same faith. For us, any faith except Sunni ones is blashphemy, false. Look at WWI,WWII and EU today is not less intolerant than the crausaders in the medieval
@gblueslover2 am gonna end this discussion cos it has nothing to do with this video .. and I might take the posts off .. so if u want to have them you should copy them into your hard disk .. It was great talking to you but it was inapproriate place .. peace
Hey thanks so much for all the interesting dialog- I realy enjoyed it. Just a note though, sometimes the subject matter does change, because were all people ! (lol)
@gblueslover2 For over 1200 years all muslim countries were united under the ottoman empire, this was changed by Europe in WWI, since then they put up dictators they liked.
That is what your problem is! You do not believe in the Trinity but WE DO! Your rejection of the TRINITY is understandable because you do not have the Spirit to perceive and know the TRUTH about WHO JESUS CHRIST is. By the way, the TRINITY is not a pagan doctrine as it is not the same with the Pantheon. If you try to understand this with your logics, you will fail because it cannot be grasped with mere logics. Arius tried but failed. It is YOU who derail yourselves with your MUSLIM LOGICS!
TRINITY is a pagan belief .. Jesus never preached trinity .. so now u have to tell me where did u guys brought this idea from .. do not tell me to believe in something before you prove it .. and btw logically, people prove beliefs then, THEN, THEN, they believe in it .. people don't believe then prove!! and btw, since I need spirit to understand it .. then it's your idols problem not mine..JESUS never preached it, but Constantine DID.
I can ask you to read the Bible yourself and ask the Holy Spirit to speak to your heart not you mind....as this takes more than just a mere exchange of words or theological/philosophical exposition. The TRINTY has to be lived and experienced...NOT by mere sophistry - as your Ahmed Dedaat used to do.
where does it say that "trinity" has to be lived? , thats the christian problem they don't care about reference they whatever suites them & say am inspired by the spirit, are u a prophet ? if not then u'r not inspired in fact its satan that inspires u to claim this & that without true reference to Gods word.
Well you bunch of derailed muslims.... I don't need to have a bible in my hand to confirm my faith in Jesus even if you call him the son of a bastard BECAUSE This SON OF GOD became SON OF A BASTARD and indeed became SIN for MY sake and yours! The guy who wants to throw the Bible in the bin is a victim of Deedat's sophism but sophism will not save anyone. It is love for one and respect for one's "enemy" that does!
You derailed christian who doesn't even know what he's saying .. you fooled poor man we MUSLIMS believe in JESUS CHRIST THE MESSENGER OF GOD WHO WAS BORN MIRACULOUSLY WITHOUT A FATHER .. HE WAS CREATED BY ALLAH WITHOUT A FATHER ..do you see how stupid u are for mixing us MUSLIMS who believe in JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF MARY with Jews!! no wonder .. this is what they teach you in ur satanic church who preach paganism and idolatry instead of monotheism and the true religion of JESUS CHRIST: ISLAM!
So if you believe that Jesus Christ is born of Mary WITHOUT a Father, then who is He? You contradict yourself by denying that He is of the same substance with God.
By the way, when you point a finger at us and brand us as satanic, remember there are three fingers pointing at you!
who gave you the permission to predict how I pointed at you!!.. btw I use my five fingers to point at you.. you guys followed satan and forgot Jesus Christ ..
My friend it is not for us to judge if the Muslims are saying we are satanic or not but remember God is our Judge and all of us will be judge on Judgement Day!
No Christian should have to renounce his religion for Islam just as no Jew should have to renounce his religion for Christianity. All inspired religions come from the same God, so none should be renounced for the other. Moses, Jesus, Muhammad are on the same team. God's revelations continue today. God pours out further truth and knowledge for those who do not close their minds and hearts to it.
All the prophet are on the same team. Each one is a successor of the previous one and the prophet Muhammad is the final one. So all the followers should follow the final leader of the team. peace
If Mohammad is the last prophet, then he would do exactly as Jesus did. Jesus died LOVING HIS ENEMIES but I don't see the same with Mohammad. So stop imposing your ISLAM on others and don't bullshit!
LOVING YOUR ENEMIES suggests that Jesus is a false prophet .. cos if he indeed was a true prophet he would be like Moses, Joshua, Ezekiel and many prophets who said eye for eye .. see how you defeat yourself and belief .. so Muhammad PBUH didn't differ from the prophets in the Old Testament .. but Jesus out of the blue brought different ideas that were never known .. so based on your false argument jesus is in fact a liar ..
Jesus is not a liar. It is not a matter of defeat yourself and belief. Yes Jesus said Love your enemies but that doesn't mean we are weak. Remember that God is Love. God doesn't need us to defend for Him that is because he created this world and he created all us before we were in our mother's womb . It shows that God is powerful and because Adam and Eve sin that's why all of have sin and we are not allow to enter to heaven except through Lord Jesus Christ.
LOL, as you said God doesn't need our help. Now why you didn't learn anything from that and let God speak to us by himself, I don't think he needs you to tell us that.
See that you the first person contradict you nonsense logic!. :)
God doesn't need anyone's help true, but he gave us a job that we have to accomplish which is spreading the truth among the world to worship him alone and none beside him.
It's a documented discussion, you can see the full length from the link in the description box.
P.S. This missionary guy the one who came to dicsuss Christianity with Shk Ahmed Deedat. There are some more discussions with missionaries in the link provided in the description box.
Hey dont put falseship on a renowned scholar who didnt get refuted and knows the bible better then 95% of christian born agains. He talks openly and honestly. Remember throughtout history if people spoke openly the truth,what happened they got murdered and shunned by the hypocrites. He stated facts in the bible and went to his grave an undeafeated man speaking the truth and exposing the hypocrisy in christianity fact.I was a christian but became a christian after feeling the truth
Truthway, unlike you who lives in Qatar, out here in the West, there are Many people of different beliefs from Atheism to Christianity all the way to Islam. Who are you to judge which way is the ONLY TRUTH TO HEAVEN!? Are you God yourself? Are you saying that the majority of the people out there in the world that do not believe in Islam are destined to hell? I believe that if someone does Good throughout their lives regardless of their faith, they will go to heaven! From a Christian! Peace. =)
1-Unfortunately, your information about Qatar is not really accurate.. Here we have people from allover the world, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheist, Zoroastrian ...etc but Qataris are 100% Muslims.
2-All religions claim that they are the only way to heaven! so Muslims are not unique in this point. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
3- We Muslims don't judge people, we just warn them that the path they have chosen is not the right path and it leads them to a not comfortable place (Hell). we are like doctors who tell drugs addicted people "hey u should stop use illegal drugs, coz they damage your health" even if billions of people use those drugs, it won't make it healthy!. I wish you find the truth from all my heart and I wish to see you in heaven and your family and all the world! From a Muslim! Salam=Islam=Peace :)
Garedenofeden: so according to you a non-christian who doesnt believe in Jesus (pbuh) will enter heaven if he did well on earth? regardless of what religion he or she believes on?
I am not going to bother looking up the pagan roots of the CATHOLIC church. An evangelical church has non of these practises but teaches that salvation is through Jesus alone..........as the early church believed.
Salvation and Trinity are two of the pagans creed that Christianity inherited from pagans. there were 16 crucified man-god to cleanse mankind from their sins. Plus many pagan religions have believed in trinity before Christianity .. I told you, you need to check these things on net, or I can name some good books on these topics. regards
Christianity is the ONLY religion that promises a SAVIOUR. None of the Graeco-Roman,Egyptian have a saviour that delivers people from sin while we live. Did you know that the Bible was written in the stars before there people could write. However the pagans misunderstood the constellations.
I had a look at pages that could be downloaded. I hope the spelling in the actual book is better than these pages. Some of these myths I already know. However the Talmud and pagan Roman writers spoke of Jesus being crucified under the Romans. That is a fact and becuase it was prophecised in the stars before being written down by Moses (The Torah), there are bound to be many myths of this.
Talmud never spoke about Jesus Christ. It spoke about Yeshua who learned the Torah from his master ****** (forgot his name). This Yeshua lived in 200 B.C.
note: I do believe in the Messiah whom Christians call Jesus Christ, however my point is that Christianity is too weak to support its claims. even those the most basic ones!
Well, whatever the Talmud claimed, the Yeshua was mentioned there lived in 200 B.C. So he is not the same Jesus you are talking about. In addition, the archaeology and the history proved that there were so many Gospels, letter, and bibles. The ones that Christians today believe in differ from the books that was believed in by Christians in the first century.
That is the most ridiculous statement. Where is the primary source for this Jesus.There were not many Gospels. From the early Church Fathers writings the whole New Testament can be reconstructed, apart from a few verses IF there were no copies already of the N.T. What are the Gospels that we believe today that are different from the early Chrisitans? You obviously never heard of the manuscripsts held in Chester Beatty Libary in Dublin,Santa Katarina Sinai,nor the Vatican.
That guy had to be either Mormon or a Jehovahs Witness, about 2 percent of the Christian population! At least out here in the U.S. today, most Christians do not go out on a missionaries anymore, except for those two. And, even I do not see the Mormons as true Christians because they do not believe in the cross or the Bible. They have their own called The Book of Mormon. They also don't celebrate Christmas. Believe me, I know becuase I have been approached by them too with the same dress! LOL!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. it's true that catholic, protestants, orthodox .. etc do not go out on missionaries in North America and Europe anymore. However, they still go out on missionaries in Africa. About the uniform, this uniform is common among the people in the UK and South Africa. Plus if he was Mormon you would see the the thing i dunno what you call it on his chest written on it Elder ******. In Conclusion, you must see the whole video to know.
btw, I've been approached by Mormons twice, once in the UK and the other in Canada. They are hopeless, they just use the psychological means to convert people, if you remember when after they talked to you they pray for you loudly asking God to give you the happiness in this like and the in the hereafter. they never convince people by logic or even tried it.
This is a set-up. Any missionary shows that there were consequences to most of these actions and that God was able to make something out of these acts.
I quote "ORIGEN and JEROME tell us that the Jews forbade it to be read by any until he was thirty years old." ['Intoduction to the Song of Solomon' Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible by Jameison-Faussett-Brown]
Jesus is not Zeus.Jesus did exist as a young rabbi that was put death by crucifixion. In Judea and Galilee he would be known as Yeshua. Jesus is only the Greek for that name.
this is a bad habit that Christians have, they put J where there is no J! Sheikh Ahmed Deedat call it J walking on names. Yacob = Jacob, Yohana = John, Yeshua = Jesus! (it's even should be Jeshua!), Yermiahu = Jeremiah, Yeshua = Joshua, Yoel = Joel, Yona = Jonah, Ayoub = Job .. it is a very bad habit.. Yeshua did exist, but Jesus was a roman god (Zeus)
It isn't a bad habit. Good Lord a habit? It is the closest way for people to translate that letter in English. How in the name of goodness did you ever come up that Jesus was Zeus? Zeus was the supreme God for the Greeks . Jesus existed in Galilee and Judea and Samaria.
yea sure, we are evil coz we believe that the bible isn't word of God .. then mr vbsmch, what do u think of the corruption in the social life in the west? do they (and you) obey the comandments? Deu 5:18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery? I doubt it. do you obey Jesus Christ? Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire? cont.
Islam makes movies now.
TheLionessjudah 2 months ago
unfortuntly these muslim preachers are always taking words from other holy books as absolute truth handed down from god. they are not, they too are written down by man. but then these people claim the koran is absolute unchanged words of god, but when you read the koran it' sno more truthful than othe rholy books. it's all fantasies written down by man with very little historical accuries.
desiguy55 9 months ago
@desiguy55 We do so because your preachers and all of the christian dominations claim that the bible is word for word inspired by God to the authors of the bible. if you are one of the very few who doesn't believe that doesn't mean that we should ignore the vast majority and stick to your belief!!
Regarding your critique to the Quran, you can talk all day long about the historical inaccuracies but you will never ever ever be able to provide one valid evidence.
TRUTHWAYTV 9 months ago
Love it. MashAllah (meaning: Allah (God) has willed it. ) This Brother is preaching the Truth.... Worship ONE God, THE CREATOR, THE ONE WHO MADE EVERYTHING, Worship HIM alone.... and do not worship the creation (things that are made by God).... Including Mankind, Earth, etc. Do not be deceived. Jesus (Isa) is a man, a Prophet, who preached the Religion of God, thus follow his ways of worshiping TO GOD... not worship him, Jesus (Isa), peace be upon him.
TANTHEMAN01 9 months ago
Love Sheikh Deedat lol i felt sorry for the Christians the war of the Bible
Khan12078 11 months ago
Aww that was sad lol he's begging for it back..
doritoesPLAY 1 year ago
That proves that God does not exist? Just because you think? You're ready to believe that there are another galaxy yet you never left the ground. He must already know everything that exists on earth before trying to know who God is. and doubt his existence. Be serious! .
KeurTipoz 1 year ago
I agree,pardon me for my arrogance.However,Atheism is not a belief,but a lack of belief.I do not know that there isn't a deity,but I do not believe there's is one.see the difference? Lack of belief is what I have,I do not claim to KNOW anything for sure-that would be religious.
johnnywalker1974 1 year ago
So what? One religion out argues another? All this proves is that one Theist is better at arguing the convoluted and delusional belief of God than the other.They are both missing the fact that the God they are arguing over doesn't exist. Anyone can learn ancient fiction and argue it. Congratulations on stumping the Christian though, that made me laugh.
johnnywalker1974 1 year ago
@johnnywalker1974 you also argue for the delusional belief of atheism .. we all argue everyday in our lives for things we believe in .. that doesn't make all of us wrong! even scientists argue!!
TRUTHWAYTV 1 year ago 6
@TRUTHWAYTV Yesss!! Best reply right there. Nice
doritoesPLAY 1 year ago
So what? One religion out argues another? All this proves is that one Theist is better at arguing the convoluted and delusional belief of God than the other.They are both missing the fact that the God they are arguing over doesn't exist. Anyone can learn ancient fiction and argue it.
johnnywalker1974 1 year ago
awwww loool i kinda felt sorry 4 him.. he was like ' i want my bible :-(' looool
Yh8ppl 1 year ago 7
@Yh8ppl amen
realslyman 1 year ago
Incest is from American
benarasprem 1 year ago
@benarasprem YES THERE IS A LOT OF INCEST IN AMERICA AND ENGLAND BUT THEY HAVE LEARNED IT FROM THE BIBLE.
glower125 8 months ago
Just wish I had Sheikh Deedats' ability to give daawah!!!!!!!
JKNEVER69 1 year ago 12
ALLAHU AKBAR!! Although this must have been an very hard moment for our christen friend, I find it hilarious how Deedat grabs his hand and wants to take the shahada with him. SubhaanAllah!! May Allah have mercy on him! And may Allah guide our christian friend. Ameen.
QuranUltimateMiracle 1 year ago
OWNED
anji0san 1 year ago
duh, just buy another one...
amaristudio 1 year ago
He is so cute whn he beggs.he makes me laugh i swear to God!
Saladiini 1 year ago
LOL! I love this video.
CJEB4 1 year ago
Uncle Deedat (may Allah s.w.t. blessed his soul) is a learned man, but I suppose the Bible saga is such a small issue. He could just returned it to the missionary. No need to take it from the poor boy.
mmuhd 1 year ago
on both sides of the fence too........
literalprofanit 2 years ago
this is horrible.......
literalprofanit 2 years ago
Our Hero Ahmad Deedat RahimaHULLAH Rahmatan waasi'a he defeted anyone so called Christian believers but luckly we have more and more like him and they will defeat anyone who challenge them .
Duqsi 2 years ago
Interesting video but not impressive. I've watched a few videos of Deedat teaching and he seems to understand things pritty well, but the christian is only a missionary. You don't have to understand Christianity inside out to become one. To become is missionary is more of a calling from God.
This video is putting a muslim scholar before a everyday christian and letting them argue their relgions. It's obvious what would happen.
MrMartinJS 2 years ago 2
deedat was self taught..he went up against these missionaries who are supposedly well educated christians..n he never loses..
mytymwillcome 2 years ago
Dude not even Jimmy Swaggart could stand against Deedat!!
It's obvious this would happen when you defend a false religion!!!
sdiablos 2 years ago
So what is your stance on Lut having sexual relations with his daughters and the god in the bible blesses the offsprings from these relations.
Zulfagar 2 years ago
haha Allahu Akbar! :D
And say: "Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur'an 17:81]
Hukido0o0o0o0o0o0 2 years ago
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sdiablos 2 years ago
ha ha ha, christians pfff..
vampiwo 2 years ago
were are the christian on this page to ashamed to comment
abz3751678 2 years ago
I think the fact that this Muslim preacher probably prepared his questions beforehand certainly went in his favour. Furthermore, the Christian preacher is just a young man and obviously has a lot to learn, patience for one, something that we all could learn at times. The bible is after all a big book, and the study of it has taken many centuries and multiple scholars. Its also bit weird that he is arguing about a book that the so called prophet Mohammed got some of his inspiration from.
word4today1 2 years ago
As you know Shk Deedat is a preacher. SO, he know what he's talking about ... the young man CAME to shk Deedat's office without any appointments SO Shk Deedat did not prepare special material for this young man ... and saying that prophet Muhammad got some of his inspiration from is a BIG LIE, exactly like the life of the SUN GOD. yes with U not O
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
I did see some Deedats arguments based on Cherubim previously, and I believe he is totally incorrect. The dictionary may state that Cherubim are little Children; however, there is no reference to Cherubim being children that I can find in the actual Bible. Furthermore, the scripture he was quoting, I believe is actually from a vision or dream, not someone physically witnessing God riding on a Cherubim. Furthermore, the sexual connotation was implied only by him, not the actual scripture itself.
word4today1 2 years ago
Sir, everybody can explain everything, but is his explanation right? you can keep explaining and at the end of the day authoritative figures in Christianity admit the childish image of Cherubim .. you can see it in the their paintings in the Vatican
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
wow, what a victory. Why are you all so juvenile?
makes everything you believe invalid (not that it wasn't always)
TalkShitAvenger 2 years ago
That may very well be how people consider Cherubim to be, but that is certainly not what I have found the Bible to say. Just because popular culture accepts it as true certainly doesnt mean it is, I personally dont accept everything that is outside of the bible as being a true biblical account. Would you accept everything outside of the Quran as being part of the Islamic faith?
word4today1 2 years ago
u're trying to run away from the Vatican ... Vatican is not a cultural resort .. they are an authoritative Christian institution .. and the pope is an authoritative Christian figure ... Cherubim is not painting on a wall in a slum area .. your religious authorities admit this so get over it my friend ..
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
Is the Vatican really a Christian institution? Because, I personally dont consider myself as a Catholic, and I personally disagree with some of the Catholic traditions that have no Biblical mention. Furthermore, would you as a Muslim consider all Muslims to be a true representation of the Muslim faith? Mr Deedats argument has been rebuffed already, and thats ok we are all humans, but in this instance I would certainly say that his argument has no actual grounding.
word4today1 2 years ago
word4today,
If you don't believe in this Cherubim, congratulations. I am really happy for you and you arrived to the right conclusion. But for those you still believe it with the support of Vatican without a Biblical reference, exactly like Christmas, they have to reject it .. As long as they believe it we will argue with them .. P.S: I won't argue with you about the meaning of Cherubim cos it is not the main point of this video .. peace
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
Dont get me wrong brother, I didnt arrive at that conclusion because anything that you have said, in fact its a belief that I have had for a long time, that anything outside of the Bible is not admissible as a Biblical account. Furthermore, I would also like to say that I certainly do believe in Cherubim, just not based on a description based on a painting on some ceiling. Thanks for posting my messages, I sincerely send you my regards, peace be with you.
word4today1 2 years ago
Peace be with you
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
I'm muslim and agree with you.
fbeg84 2 years ago
True.
fbeg84 2 years ago
this is quite funny.
that missionary sitting in his chair just looking at him all quietly.
Then after he finishes speaking he asks to throw the bible in the bin rofl.
omgodsword 2 years ago
If you think that it is a set-up thing, you should consider watching the full video ( 3 hours long) .. see how you can download the video in the description box. peace
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
plz upload this vidy on youtube
thank you and may god grant you the jannah
TheCoolmuslim 2 years ago
fuckn hilarious
deepakyadav171988 2 years ago
Are they just action...?
MrTonyshit80 2 years ago
see the description box.
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA astaghfirullaaah ,,
oofeewise 2 years ago
where i can foun the rest of the video.....plz anyone help me...
royalislam 2 years ago 2
I wouldn't call that stealing since there's nothing that points on him intending to take the bible with him when leaving. Very funny vid though.
Daski69 2 years ago
His intention is to take it back, listen to what he said when Shk Ahmed Deedat told him "this is stealing". If his intention not to leave with it he wouldn't say "but it's my bible I want it back, my parents gave it to me" ... Shk Dedaat was kinda tough on him, but this is exactly what you need to do to prevent your children from having something poisonous..
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
May Allah Reward Brother Ahmed for all the good things he did in this life, and put a light in his grave, and open a door for him to Jannah
Maryammmm 2 years ago 29
He rapes 10 of his fathers wives WHOLESALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO X)
Ahmed Deedat may he rest in peace is the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!
supermaz2002 2 years ago 3
@supermaz2002 i know its been a year on but your comment made me laugh may allah bless you and ahmed deedat pbuh. and have a nice day :)
ati832 1 year ago
That's very interesting, because the Jewish "Golden Age" was when the Jews lived side-by-side with Muslims in the middle ages. Under Muslim rule, the Jews were able to prosper in every way possible and were able to contribute to the sciences, philosophy, theology, etc, without persecution.
chony1 2 years ago 3
Indeed, and amongst them were great physicians and philosophers like Ibn Maimon .. believe me I read his book "Guide for the Perplexed" or "Moreh Nevochim" and it gives me hard time lol great work ..
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
I'm sorry that is not true. When someone puts something in the bin, it means they do not want it any more. There's no difference where that bin is. Peace to you too.
chony1 2 years ago
Yes, it means he doesn't want it and he WILL throw it in the garbage .. it is a matter of organizing .. so sence he didn't throw it yet in the garbage which usually outside the building, no one has the right to take it .. for he owner could at anytime take it back for it is in his place ... shalom havir shli, atta na'ar tov me'od vebe'ezrat hashem nidabir ..
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
:-) Ata Yehudi oh Yisraeli?
There's no question the missionary was completely outwitted, however I didn't think it was necessary for the shk to push the point of the "robbery". He'd already made the point, why did he then have to scare the hell out of him by being so mean?
chony1 2 years ago
lo ani lo Yehudi ani Muslim miQatar .. ani lomed haTorah vehaShafah haEvrit .. ely nutsarim evdei ba'alim .. kacha anahnu dovrim emhim kimo atta ro'eh :o) Shima Yisrael adonai Eluheinu adonai Ehad veLo Shalosh!! pure ba'alim!!
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
I'm impressed! Why would a Muslim learn Ivrit?
chony1 2 years ago
and reading books written by Ibn Janah, Saadia Ga'on, Ibn Maimon, Ibn Saruq, Ibn Pekuda .. etc
I'm interested in everything related to Judeo-Arabic; culture, writings, philosophy ..etc
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
It's not stealing. If it was in the bin, it didn't belong to ANYONE. He had every right to take something that was ownerless.
chony1 2 years ago
it's in the bin, and the bin in the office of Shk Ahmed Deedat at anytime he could take his thing back from the bin .. so unless the bin in the street waiting for the garbage car to come, it is stealing. peace
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
hahahaha Ahmed Deedat is really strict but wise
french05 2 years ago
lol
MiahLFC 2 years ago
"please can I have my bible back?" haahahaha gee how much does a bible cost, buy your self another one,
hahahahhahahaha
lolybeckz 2 years ago 3
i guess his superior will check after him so out of fear of their reaction he wants it back.. i guess
jabri11 2 years ago
I love Sheikh Ahmed Deedat. The man could have been anyone's uncle.
LoveOfRighteousness 2 years ago
Uncle ? Why would that be ?
gblueslover2 2 years ago
a term of respect. In Middle East when we encounter a stranger we either call him/her uncle/aunt or brother/sister .. depends on their age. it is more like Sir/Madam in the west.
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
OK. Talking aabout faith though-The one thing I note about all religions is that the underlying mission statement is " other religions are preaching / teaching false doctrine" between the Sunnis, Shias, Wahabis,Nation of Islam, like the Catholics, Baptists, Protestants, Pentecostals, as they all beleive in the same "basic texts" the underlying fact is that they all have the NEED for indentication as "that group" & is seen by themselves as " special".
Question: Why do this ?
gblueslover2 2 years ago
@gblueslover2
Believing in the same text doesn't mean we all have the same understanding because human understanding changes by experience and time .. so what our forefathers saw as acceptable we today see it not. So Each group claim that their understanding is transmitted from the first generation of the religion and had not influenced by the changing of people's understanding which means its authenticity .. such a group indeed needs a name to separate itself from the rest false doctrines
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
I know..But it doesn't change anything, as this always has and will continue..That is my point, that everyone believes that " they" are the "ones" and minimize the others. This seems to be a human trait, based in the human evolutionary process.
gblueslover2 2 years ago
No you missed the point. The people on false doctrine are indeed got to their doctrine by evolution. However, those on the right doctrine believe that they are the one who has the authentic unchanged doctrine that came directly from God through his prophet. So in conclusion, having variety of doctrines means that there was one authentic one and the rest developed over the time and thus it is false and not authentic. Saying God is one is authentic doctrine, adding in trinity this is a false doctr
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
That depends on what U believe, who U believe & how far one want's to go back...Were the Sumerians right? Were there indeed UFO's that came down and were in constant contact with them..NO ? (There is a doctrine for that). OK then..were the Buddists correct that we are all really nothing but creatures of transformation..i.e= I was a frog in my life, my next life, I'll be a polar bear, maybe?Think harder about what U believe and WHY you believe it. What makes sense 2 U wont b the same 2 others !
gblueslover2 2 years ago
You see, with your generalization you include your beliefs as part of an evolutionary process. We should agree on something, there is only one truth. Now the process of figuring out the truth is a matter of debate and discuss .. don't look at 10 false doctrines and say all of the doctrines are false and have been evolved over time .. don't mix things up. there are trillions of false doctrines and one is the true doctrine which I believe is Islam.
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
This stuff never, ever ends. Look at Iran, Look at Saudi Arabia, look at Iraq, they're ALL basically Islamic, yet, and aren't any more "brothers" than any other countries on earth. People's minds are short sighted, the whole idea of " unity" in anything is impossible...always has been. I take heavy note that all things in nature naturally compete. From the smallest microbe 2 the largest creature in the sea, everything competes, all living things. Joining a tribe makes us all feel "right". TRUE?
gblueslover2 2 years ago
@gblueslover2 u r mixing up. First, there is no Islamic countries. Not even one. However, there r Muslim countries .. there r a huge difference between the two. Having problems between Muslims is a healthy thing, that means we all think independently .. Iraq was leaded by Ba'athi, Iran Shi'ite, Saudi Sunni. So we are not all believe in the same faith. For us, any faith except Sunni ones is blashphemy, false. Look at WWI,WWII and EU today is not less intolerant than the crausaders in the medieval
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
@gblueslover2 am gonna end this discussion cos it has nothing to do with this video .. and I might take the posts off .. so if u want to have them you should copy them into your hard disk .. It was great talking to you but it was inapproriate place .. peace
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
Hey thanks so much for all the interesting dialog- I realy enjoyed it. Just a note though, sometimes the subject matter does change, because were all people ! (lol)
You take care of yourself !
Peace
gblueslover2 2 years ago
@gblueslover2 For over 1200 years all muslim countries were united under the ottoman empire, this was changed by Europe in WWI, since then they put up dictators they liked.
ACEDcomputers 1 year ago
ahahahahahah
caho86 2 years ago 2
That is what your problem is! You do not believe in the Trinity but WE DO! Your rejection of the TRINITY is understandable because you do not have the Spirit to perceive and know the TRUTH about WHO JESUS CHRIST is. By the way, the TRINITY is not a pagan doctrine as it is not the same with the Pantheon. If you try to understand this with your logics, you will fail because it cannot be grasped with mere logics. Arius tried but failed. It is YOU who derail yourselves with your MUSLIM LOGICS!
Zhudewang 2 years ago
TRINITY is a pagan belief .. Jesus never preached trinity .. so now u have to tell me where did u guys brought this idea from .. do not tell me to believe in something before you prove it .. and btw logically, people prove beliefs then, THEN, THEN, they believe in it .. people don't believe then prove!! and btw, since I need spirit to understand it .. then it's your idols problem not mine..JESUS never preached it, but Constantine DID.
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
I can ask you to read the Bible yourself and ask the Holy Spirit to speak to your heart not you mind....as this takes more than just a mere exchange of words or theological/philosophical exposition. The TRINTY has to be lived and experienced...NOT by mere sophistry - as your Ahmed Dedaat used to do.
Zhudewang 2 years ago
where does it say that "trinity" has to be lived? , thats the christian problem they don't care about reference they whatever suites them & say am inspired by the spirit, are u a prophet ? if not then u'r not inspired in fact its satan that inspires u to claim this & that without true reference to Gods word.
jabri11 2 years ago
where did Jesus say anything about Trinity?
KUS25 2 years ago 3
i don't have the spirit but have got BRAINT
1+1+1=3 not 1
jesus never ever teach such thing (trinity)
villaessaouira 2 years ago
Well you bunch of derailed muslims.... I don't need to have a bible in my hand to confirm my faith in Jesus even if you call him the son of a bastard BECAUSE This SON OF GOD became SON OF A BASTARD and indeed became SIN for MY sake and yours! The guy who wants to throw the Bible in the bin is a victim of Deedat's sophism but sophism will not save anyone. It is love for one and respect for one's "enemy" that does!
Zhudewang 2 years ago
You derailed christian who doesn't even know what he's saying .. you fooled poor man we MUSLIMS believe in JESUS CHRIST THE MESSENGER OF GOD WHO WAS BORN MIRACULOUSLY WITHOUT A FATHER .. HE WAS CREATED BY ALLAH WITHOUT A FATHER ..do you see how stupid u are for mixing us MUSLIMS who believe in JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF MARY with Jews!! no wonder .. this is what they teach you in ur satanic church who preach paganism and idolatry instead of monotheism and the true religion of JESUS CHRIST: ISLAM!
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
So if you believe that Jesus Christ is born of Mary WITHOUT a Father, then who is He? You contradict yourself by denying that He is of the same substance with God.
By the way, when you point a finger at us and brand us as satanic, remember there are three fingers pointing at you!
Zhudewang 2 years ago
who gave you the permission to predict how I pointed at you!!.. btw I use my five fingers to point at you.. you guys followed satan and forgot Jesus Christ ..
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
when Allah wants something then He sais Be and it is.
amen salamalaikum
Pua8 2 years ago
My friend it is not for us to judge if the Muslims are saying we are satanic or not but remember God is our Judge and all of us will be judge on Judgement Day!
estherliewian 2 years ago
SubhanAllah, the truth prevailed.
PancaBumi 2 years ago 6
No Christian should have to renounce his religion for Islam just as no Jew should have to renounce his religion for Christianity. All inspired religions come from the same God, so none should be renounced for the other. Moses, Jesus, Muhammad are on the same team. God's revelations continue today. God pours out further truth and knowledge for those who do not close their minds and hearts to it.
WingedPaladinLight 2 years ago
All the prophet are on the same team. Each one is a successor of the previous one and the prophet Muhammad is the final one. So all the followers should follow the final leader of the team. peace
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
If Mohammad is the last prophet, then he would do exactly as Jesus did. Jesus died LOVING HIS ENEMIES but I don't see the same with Mohammad. So stop imposing your ISLAM on others and don't bullshit!
Zhudewang 2 years ago
LOVING YOUR ENEMIES suggests that Jesus is a false prophet .. cos if he indeed was a true prophet he would be like Moses, Joshua, Ezekiel and many prophets who said eye for eye .. see how you defeat yourself and belief .. so Muhammad PBUH didn't differ from the prophets in the Old Testament .. but Jesus out of the blue brought different ideas that were never known .. so based on your false argument jesus is in fact a liar ..
TRUTHWAYTV 2 years ago
Jesus is not a liar. It is not a matter of defeat yourself and belief. Yes Jesus said Love your enemies but that doesn't mean we are weak. Remember that God is Love. God doesn't need us to defend for Him that is because he created this world and he created all us before we were in our mother's womb . It shows that God is powerful and because Adam and Eve sin that's why all of have sin and we are not allow to enter to heaven except through Lord Jesus Christ.
estherliewian 2 years ago
wow.. lol
subhan allah
kawthariiiii 3 years ago 3
Maashallah
VictoriousHamas 3 years ago 2
This video will always make me laugh. This video should be on the show america's funniest home videos.
Ferozislam123 3 years ago
I wish Ahmed deedat would have been around us now.. to give back answers to those, who are spreading around hatredness against Islam everywhere...
zakirhush1983 3 years ago 9
No....ahmed deedat..did his duty brother
Now it is our turn, my turn,Your turn.
Despair is not allowed in islam...
You can prove those who are spreading hardness against islam...!
You are proud of Islam right?
When is islam gonna be proud of YOU?
VictoriousHamas 3 years ago 19
lol
Kitab14 3 years ago
Wow
afglala 3 years ago 2
MashaAllah! Thanks bro. There's no privacy in Islam, everything is clear. If u hide the truth Islam will find you wherever you are happened to be.
mucaad3 3 years ago 5
Isn't this secret documentary! This is the first time seeing Ahmed Deedat at Office!
mucaad3 3 years ago 2
No it's not a secret documentary .. it's just not a well-known as the other ones ... the full length of the video provided in the description box
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
mashaAllah! i like the song in the begining. what is the title of the music? hahah
98705781 3 years ago
dont have to kneel down to sheikh ahmed deedat! kneel down to Allah!
98705781 3 years ago 4
lol
zahleeeee 3 years ago 2
Where is the original video?? the long one!
easyonetwothree 3 years ago 2
See the description box
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
o my GOD, these "children"are so stupid to
reduce religion to just semantics!!!
both are very childish!!
GOD? ONLY ONE?OR IN US ALL?
GOD DOESNT NEED OUR HELP, ITS THE OTHERWAY AROUND!
harriesapiens 3 years ago
LOL, as you said God doesn't need our help. Now why you didn't learn anything from that and let God speak to us by himself, I don't think he needs you to tell us that.
See that you the first person contradict you nonsense logic!. :)
God doesn't need anyone's help true, but he gave us a job that we have to accomplish which is spreading the truth among the world to worship him alone and none beside him.
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
What was this supposed to prove? Just a feirce man ridiculing another mans faith...dishonorable to make a show of ridicule..
beautyforashes61 3 years ago
It's a documented discussion, you can see the full length from the link in the description box.
P.S. This missionary guy the one who came to dicsuss Christianity with Shk Ahmed Deedat. There are some more discussions with missionaries in the link provided in the description box.
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
I can imagine there is more, but this is the highlight.Men can discuss, even argue their faith in decency.
beautyforashes61 3 years ago
Hey dont put falseship on a renowned scholar who didnt get refuted and knows the bible better then 95% of christian born agains. He talks openly and honestly. Remember throughtout history if people spoke openly the truth,what happened they got murdered and shunned by the hypocrites. He stated facts in the bible and went to his grave an undeafeated man speaking the truth and exposing the hypocrisy in christianity fact.I was a christian but became a christian after feeling the truth
ryukenb2k 3 years ago 3
you mean, you became a Muslim after feeling the truth? lol Alhumdulilah! may Allah (swt) bless you brother and grant you Jannat al-Firdous! Ameen!
LearnTruthFindPeace 3 years ago 2
hahahhahahahha......thats friggin hilarious
amdatm 3 years ago
what is the "looking into a box" bit referring to?
lotfilms 3 years ago
lol PWNED
lotfilms 3 years ago
you have to love it.
"i want my bible back"
naliakbar 3 years ago
LOL what can i say he is a funny guy ....
we will collect some money for our christain brother to buy him a bible who's with me i will pay $2 any one else here ...
zubairhussain86 3 years ago
Truthway, unlike you who lives in Qatar, out here in the West, there are Many people of different beliefs from Atheism to Christianity all the way to Islam. Who are you to judge which way is the ONLY TRUTH TO HEAVEN!? Are you God yourself? Are you saying that the majority of the people out there in the world that do not believe in Islam are destined to hell? I believe that if someone does Good throughout their lives regardless of their faith, they will go to heaven! From a Christian! Peace. =)
Garedenofeden 3 years ago
1-Unfortunately, your information about Qatar is not really accurate.. Here we have people from allover the world, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheist, Zoroastrian ...etc but Qataris are 100% Muslims.
2-All religions claim that they are the only way to heaven! so Muslims are not unique in this point. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
3- We Muslims don't judge people, we just warn them that the path they have chosen is not the right path and it leads them to a not comfortable place (Hell). we are like doctors who tell drugs addicted people "hey u should stop use illegal drugs, coz they damage your health" even if billions of people use those drugs, it won't make it healthy!. I wish you find the truth from all my heart and I wish to see you in heaven and your family and all the world! From a Muslim! Salam=Islam=Peace :)
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
very good reply Jazak Allah Borther
zubairhussain86 3 years ago
Garedenofeden: so according to you a non-christian who doesnt believe in Jesus (pbuh) will enter heaven if he did well on earth? regardless of what religion he or she believes on?
melonpun 3 years ago
"I want muh bible back..."
hahaha
Tareq88 3 years ago 3
I am not going to bother looking up the pagan roots of the CATHOLIC church. An evangelical church has non of these practises but teaches that salvation is through Jesus alone..........as the early church believed.
irishxxkelt 3 years ago
Salvation and Trinity are two of the pagans creed that Christianity inherited from pagans. there were 16 crucified man-god to cleanse mankind from their sins. Plus many pagan religions have believed in trinity before Christianity .. I told you, you need to check these things on net, or I can name some good books on these topics. regards
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
Christianity is the ONLY religion that promises a SAVIOUR. None of the Graeco-Roman,Egyptian have a saviour that delivers people from sin while we live. Did you know that the Bible was written in the stars before there people could write. However the pagans misunderstood the constellations.
irishxxkelt 3 years ago
You need to read "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors: Christianity before Christ by Kersey Graves"
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
I had a look at pages that could be downloaded. I hope the spelling in the actual book is better than these pages. Some of these myths I already know. However the Talmud and pagan Roman writers spoke of Jesus being crucified under the Romans. That is a fact and becuase it was prophecised in the stars before being written down by Moses (The Torah), there are bound to be many myths of this.
irishxxkelt 3 years ago
Talmud never spoke about Jesus Christ. It spoke about Yeshua who learned the Torah from his master ****** (forgot his name). This Yeshua lived in 200 B.C.
note: I do believe in the Messiah whom Christians call Jesus Christ, however my point is that Christianity is too weak to support its claims. even those the most basic ones!
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
The Talmud claimed that Jesus was killed for blasphemy and magic. Christianity has been validated by archaeology and by all the manuscripts.
irishxxkelt 3 years ago
Well, whatever the Talmud claimed, the Yeshua was mentioned there lived in 200 B.C. So he is not the same Jesus you are talking about. In addition, the archaeology and the history proved that there were so many Gospels, letter, and bibles. The ones that Christians today believe in differ from the books that was believed in by Christians in the first century.
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
That is the most ridiculous statement. Where is the primary source for this Jesus.There were not many Gospels. From the early Church Fathers writings the whole New Testament can be reconstructed, apart from a few verses IF there were no copies already of the N.T. What are the Gospels that we believe today that are different from the early Chrisitans? You obviously never heard of the manuscripsts held in Chester Beatty Libary in Dublin,Santa Katarina Sinai,nor the Vatican.
irishxxkelt 3 years ago
That guy had to be either Mormon or a Jehovahs Witness, about 2 percent of the Christian population! At least out here in the U.S. today, most Christians do not go out on a missionaries anymore, except for those two. And, even I do not see the Mormons as true Christians because they do not believe in the cross or the Bible. They have their own called The Book of Mormon. They also don't celebrate Christmas. Believe me, I know becuase I have been approached by them too with the same dress! LOL!
Garedenofeden 3 years ago
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. it's true that catholic, protestants, orthodox .. etc do not go out on missionaries in North America and Europe anymore. However, they still go out on missionaries in Africa. About the uniform, this uniform is common among the people in the UK and South Africa. Plus if he was Mormon you would see the the thing i dunno what you call it on his chest written on it Elder ******. In Conclusion, you must see the whole video to know.
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
btw, I've been approached by Mormons twice, once in the UK and the other in Canada. They are hopeless, they just use the psychological means to convert people, if you remember when after they talked to you they pray for you loudly asking God to give you the happiness in this like and the in the hereafter. they never convince people by logic or even tried it.
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
That is true Gardenofeden........Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses are not Christian.
irishxxkelt 3 years ago
But the guy is not Mormon madam lol!
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
I am not sure what is going on here.........but isn't it the young man's Bible? Didn't his mother give it to him?
irishxxkelt 3 years ago
Yes, and he gave it to Sheikh Deedat to throw it into the bin.
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
This is a set-up. Any missionary shows that there were consequences to most of these actions and that God was able to make something out of these acts.
irishxxkelt 3 years ago
Kindly go to the description and download the full version of the video. This is a very small portion of the full video.
and stop saying this is a set-up, a man like you who experienced the life for 52 years shouldn't judge before looking into the full story.
I'm interested to hear your opinion after watching the full video. Regards
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
I am a woman.
irishxxkelt 3 years ago
oh, my bad, please accept my apology
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
I quote "ORIGEN and JEROME tell us that the Jews forbade it to be read by any until he was thirty years old." ['Intoduction to the Song of Solomon' Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible by Jameison-Faussett-Brown]
huh what a word of god!
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
cont.
yet and you fellow christians who pormote for the bible do not obey the bible!!.
Now we are Evil coz we don't believe in the Bible as it is word of God.
**you do believe in it and do not obey it, this is even more EVIL**
you people worship a Roman PAGAN GOD Zeus (Je-Zeus) and for fun I say it's originally ( Je suis Zeus) :D
Read the Song of Songs Chapter 7 in the Old Testament and you'll read something rated XXX
cont.
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
Jesus is not Zeus.Jesus did exist as a young rabbi that was put death by crucifixion. In Judea and Galilee he would be known as Yeshua. Jesus is only the Greek for that name.
irishxxkelt 3 years ago
this is a bad habit that Christians have, they put J where there is no J! Sheikh Ahmed Deedat call it J walking on names. Yacob = Jacob, Yohana = John, Yeshua = Jesus! (it's even should be Jeshua!), Yermiahu = Jeremiah, Yeshua = Joshua, Yoel = Joel, Yona = Jonah, Ayoub = Job .. it is a very bad habit.. Yeshua did exist, but Jesus was a roman god (Zeus)
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
It isn't a bad habit. Good Lord a habit? It is the closest way for people to translate that letter in English. How in the name of goodness did you ever come up that Jesus was Zeus? Zeus was the supreme God for the Greeks . Jesus existed in Galilee and Judea and Samaria.
irishxxkelt 3 years ago
you need to read about the pagan roots of Christianity. Google it.
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
add one more Please Yerusalem = Jerusalem
zubairhussain86 3 years ago
To vbsmch,
yea sure, we are evil coz we believe that the bible isn't word of God .. then mr vbsmch, what do u think of the corruption in the social life in the west? do they (and you) obey the comandments? Deu 5:18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery? I doubt it. do you obey Jesus Christ? Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire? cont.
TRUTHWAYTV 3 years ago
ahmad deedat such a strong personality, allahu akbar
may he rest in peace
IslamicScholars 3 years ago 7
deedat wasnt given the title mouth shutter 4 nothing!!!
alboaviator 3 years ago
hahahaha "I want muh bible"
Tareq88 3 years ago
Mahsallah..
amazing!
Im lost for words too!
xxiraqigurlxx 3 years ago 2
LOL that old man has a strong spirit and a strong will lol, so cool man i wish he was my father in law lol
DGr8Strategist 3 years ago
im lost for words!
xiffyx 3 years ago 2
May allah reward shiekh ahmed deedat with el ferdaws inshallah.
stabby321 3 years ago 8
Allahuma Ameen