ich bin bereits in der zweite generation geboren .... kann es bis heute nicht begreifen! hätte stauffenberg es geschaft wären die ostgebiete bis heute deutsch geblieben ....
@MrDavidlukas .Staufenberg konnte nichts schaffen ; - Winston Churchill /: "Dieser Krieg ist ein englischer Krieg, und sein Ziel ist die Vernichtung Deutschlands."
Am 3.9.1939, dem Tag der britischen Kriegserklärung.
"Das unverzeihliche Verbrechen Deutschlands vor dem Zweiten Weltkrieg war der Versuch, seine Wirtschaftskraft aus dem Welthandelssystem herauszulösen und ein eigenes Austauschsystem zu schaffen, bei dem die Weltfinanz nicht mitverdienen konnte."
lasst uns Ost Preussen zurückerobern ,warum nicht ? es ist Deutschland! dort Leben,war immer mein Traum! Oh Land der dunklen Wälder,die hälfte meiner Hausbewohner sind vertriebene Ost Preussen,ich würde gern eine Internetseite aufmachen das sich Vertriebene wiederfinden,sehr traurig! warum dürfen wir dort nicht mehr Leben es ist doch Deutsch??
@PomeranianWolf I said the same, and consequence of that is that it doesn't matter the language they speak. Important is who they feel. The point is that we can't say that before 1793 (actually before 1815) the Danzigers were German. They only spoke German. This is big difference.
No it's not. A people does not need a Jacobin nation-state to be a people. My ancestors were Germans. They fought for their language in Hoppenau, Altfelde and Lichtfelde bei Elbing. They paid taxes to the Polish king, and without problems. But they did so as Germans.
Once people will change all these crimes and lies....we won't forget! "greetings" from Germany. Crime is still crime - howevery you try to call it justice
Nice pictures....so what's the point? They are not German anymore. Payback for robbing the entire Europe of its wealth. The only reason why Germany is so rich now is because it has stolen more than it could chew on. A few cities taken from you won't give you too much of a stomach ache. Enjoy your peace! Unless you wish another war; that's the only way you can get your old stuff back. However this time nobody will ever for give you.
And I don't blame every single German for it, particularly I don't blame contemporary Germans but it weren't Poles who started WWII and without the WWII there were not expulsion. Now, there are 3 or 4 generations of Poles which were born in former German territory. They don't know the heimats of their grand or grand-grandfothers. Their heimats are Szczecin, Wrocław, Śląsk, Sudety, etc. I don't say about Pomorze (Royal Prussia) because from my family perspective it was always part of Poland
@mitrowitz You are correct, France and England started WW2. and Soviet Union would have got all of Europe if it were not for Germany. What a shitty time period huh? My family is from Stettin. They built that place, not Poles. I feel bad for Poles there too though, everything that happened was bullshit. Europe must unite against the Muslims now!!!! We MUST leave these things in the past and focus on the future!
@NordicThunder24 You don't want remember about 1st of September 1939. It was Germany that attacked Poland. 3rd of September 1939 was simply consequence of the German act. But I agree with you that we have more important things to do for future.
@knapekkk I personally do not. But I will ask my Oma when I see her next! I know she has a nice bier stein set from there and some other stuff too. I have family photos, but I do not know about photos of the city.
but it happened. Part of my family was ex-pulsed from Eastern Poland. Part of my family was forced to be Germans and was ex-pulsed from Royal Prussia, part of my family was killed by Germans and part by Russians. All these things happened but shouldn't.
@mitrowitz We all lost in the end Mate.... Now we have to work with what we have. What we have is knowledge and pieces of History, the future MUST be peaceful as Europeans must all work together to keep our homelands EUROPEAN! Vote for NAtionalist parties so the immigrants will be stopped and our lands kept safe!!
But I'm agree that an expulsion is an expulsion. It doesn't matter who whom. But again, no result without reason. If Germany hadn't started the war against Poland it never happen, but they had. I remember the situation when son of former owner of my Grandfather house visited us. When he told his history in 1945 and after and my grandmother asked her history during the WWII, they cried together. This human experience. But still I remember my family history and I can say that it should not happen
After more than 100 years of German rules on former Polish territory, Poland claimed its rights to this land and Germans too. Germans said that population there want to be in Germany and Poland said that its are polish territory. Why Poland should accept 100 years of Germanisation and German colonisation on Polish territory? Geranisation means not only the forcing people to speaking German but also to change the national orientation by German speaking Poles.
After Napoleonic wars the situation changed. The Danzigers became consider themselves as German first and Danzigers the second. And, if it was possible that German speaking people consider themselves as Poles in the end of XVIII c. than it is possible that part of Polish people consider themselves as Germans. The question is, how the people were asked during the census.
BTW, the ethnic situation is not stable, and the data are not clear. Royal Prussia (Western Prussia) with Danzig, Greater Poland (Posen Provinz) were part of Poland before they became part of Prussia. In general population was loyal to Polish Kingdom. It doesn't mater if they spoke German or Polish. When Danzig was incorporated to Kingdom of Prassia, the people there were against it. Why? They had been German. No, they hadn't. They had been Danzigers, Polish subjects.
@GreaterPolish If 60% of the population in upper silesia had been polish, then yeah, Poland would have had every right to claim that area. With some border changes, to accommodate the few german provinces.
But it was exactly the other way around. Upper Silesia should have been left with Germany and some border provinces should have been gone to Poland.
@GreaterPolish Only border regions of Provinz Posen were german. The rest was exclusively polish. So yeah, That area belonged to the polish ppl. Prussian and later german rule were occupation, if u ask me.
The central part of West Prussia was the mainly rural part. With few inhabitants. Some border changes would have been necessary to benefit the polish population as much as possible though.
@GreaterPolish The annexation of Poland in 39 was as immoral as the annexation of east germany.
I still fail to see why west prussia should have become polish.2/3 of the population were german. There just weren't that many ppl living in the rural areas.
South East Prussia voted exclusively german. 363.209 ppl voted 4 Germany (97,89). Only 7.980 opted 4 Poland. And if you look at the lingustic map, south East Prussia seems almost entirely polish. So don't let those maps deceive you.
@GreaterPolish The dictators making those horrible decision and the ppl enforcing them are to blame. Not because most of the ppl who did cruel things came from this or that country. One cannot blame an entire population.
Why did polish politicians want Danzig back in 1945? It had a 95% geman population. Border provinces of upper siliesia belonged to Poland, but not whole upper silesia. Vote from the 1920's revealed that 60% of the population wanted to stay with Germany
@GreaterPolish btw: my great parents of both sides were fromegerland and bohemia. so they had their own problems with hitler, i dont think they liked him ;)
@GreaterPolish because every1 who reacted was taken to a KZ. just as it works in dictatorship. some ppl were proud, of course. but again, not only germans could be proud of such shit, every other nation would have been proud too. and yes, maybe most of the germans were responsible, i dont deny this. i justwant to say that every other nation would have done the same. so hate on hitler and rommel and his clsoe followers but not collectively on a same nation,[..2nd post]
@allvidsofsuxx , cause collective hate is what made hitler great. so stop supporting the same shit hate again, or one day there will come a 2nd hitler when polands people are unhappy and will do the same with poland. then every1 will ahte on poland, where collective hate is again, and so on. just stop that shit.
@GreaterPolish Are polish ppl responsible for the expulsion and annihilation of east germany? No they are not. In times of a dictatorship one cannot simply blame an entire people. Even if most off the polish ppl did approve. + Today's generation can't be held responsible.
Danzig, back then, belonged to Germany, as well as the Sudetenland, since almost 100% of the population consisted of germans who wanted to come" Heim ins Reich".
@GreaterPolish I'm not trying to play down german war crimes.I'm just defending the vaulues we liberal democracies so hold dear.
You do not engage the civil populous in battle.You do not murder civilians You do not use civilians as hostages.Summary Executions are abhorrent.You do not expell civilians.You do not annex territory without the consent of the inhabitants.
I recognize todays borders as given. I just think one should remember crimes against civilians. Polish or german does not matter
@GreaterPolish my grandparents did nothign they were much too young then.
and my great grandparents voted hitler because he promised work, peace and freedom. every nation would have voted the same bastard back then. if hitler would have been in poland, the polish would be the nazis now, if hitler would have been in france, the french were the nazis now. you have no right to say that germans still love hitler, not even to say that germans loved hitler longer than 1 year.
@GreaterPolish I strongly disagree, One cannot make whole population responsible 4 sumthin commited under a dictatorship. Same way I cannot blame polish ppl nowadays 4 destruction of eastern germany.
There is much blame do to go around, It affects every one.
But never a ppl as a whole.
polish ppl did suffer the same fate as german sileseans or prussians,
@GreaterPolish "Grudziądz became part of the Polish state. At that time Josef Włodek, the newly appointed Polish mayor, described his impression of the town as "modern but unfortunately completely German"" (Quote wikipedia)
When you turn a territory over to another country, cou need the populations consent. Without a plebsicite, the treaty is, in my opinion, null and void.(I recognize todays border.I mean back an the days I would have been against it, but today too much time has passed)
@GreaterPolish Germans did vote 4 Hitler. But he only did peace talks back in the "voting days". The whole war shit came when ppl weren't allowed to vote anymore. Its true that ppl were glad polish corridor had been abolished and upper silesia had been reunited with germany, but no one, but the nazis, wanted whole Poland to be annexed.
You can't blame the population in a whole for crimes committed under a dictatorship.
@GreaterPolish Polish corridor is identical with the former province of west-prussia.And 2/3 of the population of west-prussia was german. Its true, that the polish people have been a majority in rural areas,but the cities were vastly dominated by germans. (Thorn, Graudenz, Danzig).So it is not completely true that the province outside Danzig was 100% polish.
There should have been some border changes though.German Empire occupied parts of polish land (Province of Posen + lower west-prussia)
@GreaterPolish Danzig belonged to Poland most of the time. But the cities population was overwhelmingly german. By your logic Province of Posen (Poznan) belonged to Prussia, but the population was overwhelmingly polish.
It all comes down to the population. Not the cities owner on some piece of paper.
Don't worry, I don't wanna claim territory or sumthin, I just wanna underline that expulsion is wrong. Don't care who gets expelled by whom. German or polish. Expulsions are wrong!
@Jonesdude666 1. Danzig was populated mostly by a German-speaking community. But German-speaking doesn't mean German per se. Read books written by a famous British scholar Ernest Gellner. Nations in central and eastern Europe, before the XIX century existed only in a political sense. People's national awareness back than was connected to the statehood traditions and had nothing to do with the language which was used by them.
@Jonesdude666 2. People identified themselves back than with the monarchy and state - not with language. The same situation (even now) is in Western Europe; in Swiss confederation people use 4 languages, but their national awareness is based on the attachment to the state. The same goes with Ireland - over 80% of the Irish people speak English but they don't identified themselves with English people.
@Jonesdude666 3. That's why Copernicus (tough he was born in a predominately German-speaking Thorn) identified himself with the Polish nation. He fought against the "Deutsches Orden" (Teutonic Order), dedicated ALL of his works to the Polish king, and that's why he was always seen by Germans as a Pole (Martin Luther called him a "Sarmatian-Polish foll).
Tja wie unfair das Stetin nicht mehr deutsch ist und ponische schweine wie Wroblewski Bogusz arbeiten als Hurenhütter in England in den polnischen Hurenhäuser wo die Polinen uns deutschen Touristen den Schwanz lutschen müssen. Ich kann nur den Hurensohn diese Stelle gratulieren beste Arbeit für ein Polacken. Bogusz Wroblewski Alfons w UK hahaha
@chriss22NRW Wer hat denn dir die deutsche Sprache beigebracht, Mehmet an der Kebab Bude? Versuche es noch einmal mit einem richtigen Sprachbegleiter villeicht.
Ich hab' zu schnell getippt, drum hab ich fehler auch gemacht. Ich bin ein Deutscher. Ich schreib' keine Komas, da es zu lange dauert. Es ist ja nur Internet niemand gibt also acht, wie du hier schreibst und was du schreibst. Ich schreib' jetzt langsam und mache nur wenige Fehler, wenn auch schon keine. Ich hatte zwar ein Paar Damen, die nicht deutscher Herkunft waren im Bett, aber ich bereue es sehr
beim nächsten "Ringkampf" schicken wir alle Polaken weg vom Raubland zu den Russen, die werden das dann schon in Bärenmanier richten........noch ist Polen nicht verloren
A po trzeciej wojnie światowej Niemcy będą żądać dodatkowo zwrotu Meklemburgii, Brandenburgii i Saksonii :D W sumie nie ważne, czy zajmiemy je sami, czy podaruję je nam Chińczycy, Rosjanie, czy Amerykanie, ważne, że będą nasze, a przy takiej postawie Niemców, jak tu prezentowana, to jest więcej niż pewne :D:D:D
Fakty są takie, ze niezależnie od poglądów na temat przyczyn wojny, na zachodnich terenach Polski mieszka już 4 pokolenie Polaków, z czego 3 już się tam urodziły. To dokładnie takie same prawo, jak wcześniej mieli Niemcy po kilku pokoleniach obcości na tych terenach zajętych przeważnie siłą.
@mitrowitz Te twoje pokolenia zajechał takie miasta :Bytom, Chorzów, Zabrze,Gliwice,Katowice i.t.d. Jeden z neutralnych komisarzy po plebiscycie na Górnym śląsku powiedział o władzy polskiej "małpa dostała zegarek w dodatku złoty" Kanclerz Hindenburg powiedział ;nie przejmujcie się Polską ona raz jest raz jej niema... Gdyby nie 1 wojna światowa może do dzisiaj by nie istniała bo została przepita przez samych Polaków ;jedz,pij,popuszczaj pasa.. największym wrogiem dla Polaków są sami Polacy
@18florencja To tak samo jak Niemcy, raz są a raz ich nie ma. Jakoś Niemcy nie chcą widzieć, że Niemcy powstały w drodze podbojów, także państw niemieckich, co nazwano zjednoczeniem.
Polaska zyskała te ziemię jako rekompensatę za utracone ziemie na wschodzie. Owszem kosztem Niemiec. Pytanie dlaczego? Proste, bo Niemcy miały rozpętały wojnę światową i przegrały. Zapłaciły cenę za wojnę.
W sumie sprawa jest prosta. Nie ma czegoś takiego jak historyczne prawo do ziem. Granice zawsze przesuwały się w wyniku zaborów, przejęć, wojen. Prusy zyskały Pomorze i Wielkopolskę, bo zajęły polskie terytoria podczas zaborów, zajęły Śląsk w wyniku WOJNY z Austrią. Osadnictwo niemieckie naych terytoriach było, a i owszem, za zgoda lokalnych, czyli polskich bądź czeskich władców. W dawnych czasach nie liczył się język a lojalność wobec władcy
Have you ever seen the Polish propaganda posters from the interwar period (1918-39)? It supposed a "revision" of the Polish border was "necessary".
What kind of "revision"?
Annexation of all the land in the East of the Elbe (!) - together with Berlin itself and on the other hand, all the lands to the West of SMOLENSK (Belarus, Lithuania, Ukraine, parts of Russia)... Those were the secret wishes of the Polish governments between the two Wars. Very just and right indeed...
@walterdonath Nakręcanie się hasłami propagandowymi, to budowanie fałszywej świadomości. Jasne, że Polacy nie kochali Niemców i Rosjan, którzy kilkanaście lat wcześniej władali polskimi ziemiami. Tyle, że nie miało to praktycznych skutków. Rząd Polski nigdy nie złożył Niemcom ultimatum, Oddajecie Kopanicę i Kraków nad Jeziorem albo wkraczamy zbrojnie. Niemcy takie ultimatum przedstawili odnośnie korytarza pomorskiego.
@mitrowitz Niemcy odbudowali by te miasta bez żadnego problemu , sięgnij do historii jeden z piastowskich królów wielkich sprzedał śląsk .Stalin podarował Polsce bez mała połowę terytorium na których wcześniej nie dołożyła ani jednej cegły. A dlaczego Niemcy nie wywołali wojny z Czechami , bo z silnym się liczy a nie walczy(polityka Piłsudzkiego,6mln. ofiar i ruiny Warszawa na własne życzenie.Polacy umieją tylko gadać bezsensu pić, kraść ..polak potrafi .
@18florencja Gdyby babcia miała wąsy to... Fakty są takie, że te miasta odbudowali Polacy. Co do wojny z Czechami, toś mnie bracie (a może siostro) zaskoczył. O ile mi wiadomo, Czechy zostały po prostu zajęte przez Niemcy. Nie było co wojować. Ze Słowacji zrobiono państwo satelitarne a z Czech protektorat, za co Czesi odpłacili Niemcom usuwając ich z czeskich Sudetów, czyli zrobili to samo, co Polacy. Co do inwektyw pod adresem Polaków, to świadczą o Tobie.
don´t be too sure of it. In the warshaw-contract is written: "The border is un-hurtable"! This means that it can only changed by treaties. UNTOUCHABLE would be the word for "cannot change forever". If Polens economy will be death, we´ll take up treaties again son!
@86ToKiMa899 Show me the border which have been unchangeable in the history? The Powers rise up and fall. No border is sure for ever, but you can be sure that if you want to take our territory it means the war. Last century history teaches that when Germans start the war they lost the territories. And for now I don't see that our economy would fall. The problem is in the Euro zone.
Die vertragsparteien erklären, dass die zwischen ihnen bestehende Grenze jetzt und zukunft unverletzlich ist und verpflichten sich gegenseitig uneingeschränkten Achtung ihrer souveränität und territorialen integrität.
@86ToKiMa899 Pojęcie "nienaruszalność" w języku prawniczym oznacza, że nie można tego zmienić. Traktat graniczny napisano w języku polskim i niemieckim. W tekście polskim użyto pojęcia "nienaruszalność". Rozumienie tego pojęcia wypracowano na gruncie koncepcji praw człowieka, z których podstawowe są nienaruszalne. Wykładnia gramatyczna mówi, że nienaruszalne jest to, czego nie można naruszyć, zmienić., przesunąć. W traktacie użyto także określenia "teraz i w przyszłości".
@86ToKiMa899 Oba teksty: polski i niemiecki są ważne. Zatem jeśli zgodzono się na zastosowanie pojęcia "nienaruszalny" w tekście polskim, to tak właśnie należy rozumieć "unverletzlich".
I have written in Polish becouse You have written in German. This in not my language or our common.
Das wird genauso wie mit den Polen, die im Ruhrgebiet gearbeitet haben. In 100 Jahren merkst Du nur noch am Namen, dass die mal aus der Türkei kamen. und dann dahin gehen die genausowenig in eine Moschee, wie wir in die Kirche!
Unsere ganzen Katschinskis, Rumanskis und wie sie alle heissen, singen heute die deutsche Nationalhymne, statt die polnische. Merkst Du was? ;-)
Oh yes germans are the pure evil we come an take the land from the Native Americans we take the Black mans as slaves we drop the A-Bomb and bombt the civilians in vietnam with napalm, or "free" so many peaople in irak and israel and look away from palestine when the jews murder civilians OH NO WAIT... we are not the terrorists from the usa
sicher sind es jetzt polnische Städte und das land gehört nach politischer ordnung zu polen aber ich sehe das mal alles etwas entspannter...ich denke mal im rahmen der europäisiereung werden sich polen und deutsche soweit annähren das es wieder zu den mischgebieten kommen wird die es bereits 1921 gab, zum zeitpunkt der volksabstimung...ich denke mal wir werden und sollten uns auch vertragen und an einem strang ziehen
"1000 years in 5 minutes" on youtube, as you see, Danzig was POLISH (more than 700 years), after the partition of Poland germans took it... They settled it, and as Poland became a state again after 123 years of occupation, this land was "german lands"... -.- Liars. Look at the polish western border as Poland was became a country... Near the same borderline as nowdays.
@Elberiver11 Only in the XIII century? Gdansk was the Polish from the X century to the XIII and returned to the Polish in the XV century and was in Poland to the XVIII century. Gdańsk stolen because Prussia, together with Austria and Russia poland undressed. Flag Gdańsk(Danzig) created the Polish King. You know the history of Wroclaw (Breslau) Sczecin(Stettin)? Maybe you do not know but Szczecin and Wroclaw was Polish from age X to XIII.
@MaxMixMac By the 18th century, nobody in Danzig spoke Polish. The Hanseatic league was a German association, this merchant activity has changed the city over centuries.
London was a Roman city , but London has changed, today English city. Same thing.
Danzig in 1945 was just as German as Berlin, Stettin, Dresden, Breslau.
Poland is biggest thief in human history. But not only theft of whole cities, but also massmurder of children and women. Why do Poles hide their genocide?`
@Elberiver11 you are typical german pig! you lie alike a dog! come here you hitler-son we process some prussian sausage from you! you mass-murder, thief, plague, mud, virus, faggot, rag, swine!
@Elberiver11 Stalin after the war, he said that returning to the old Polish lands that had lost in the XIII century for the benefit of German and Czech. Gdańsk was the most important port city of the First Republic of Poland
es ist die schuld der nazis dass es keine deutschen städte mehr sind. ganz europa mit krieg überziehen, menschen zu untermenschen erklären, sie zu hunderttausenden entwurzeln......dieser terror musste, nachdem sich das blatt im krieg wendete, zurückkommen!
@zobielamouche1 Der Krieg ist schuld der Nazis, der Völkermord und alle von deutschen begangenen Verbrechen im zweiten Weltkrieg auch.
Die Vertreibungen sind aber nicht auf die Nazis zurückzuführen. Das waren die Alliierten Völkerrechtsverbrecher. Hitler hat keine deutschen vertrieben. Nur andere Völker. Will sagen: Im Völkerrecht gibt es kein zweierlei Maß. Im Klartext: Wer das Generalgouvernement scheiße findet, muss auch Oder-Neiße scheisse finden. Nichts rechtfertigt Vertreibung. Niemals!
@zobielamouche1 Ich will damit nicht die Verbrechen der deutschen im zweiten Weltkrieg relativieren. Das ganz und gar nicht. Aber man muss doch objektiv genug sein um zu sagen, dass es eine Kollektivschuld nicht gibt. Amerika führt gegen den Irak auch einen Angriffskrieg. Darf der Irak nun Kalifornien annektieren und die Menschen vertreiben?
Vor welchem Hintergrund Vertreibungen stattfinden ist wurscht. Ob nun Polen vertrieben werden oder Deutsche ist mir wurscht. Beides ist verbrecherisch
@RitterDesHimmels1 Yeah so what. Wanna more fitting example like USA annexing half of Mexico or sumthin? Annexing territory is ok WITH the populations consent. But without it it is a war crime if you ask me. Don't care under what circumstances, treating the population like that is abhorrent. The way Germany treated Poland after 1939 was abhorrent and so was the way Germany has been dealt with after WW2.
@Jonesdude666 So when some parts of Germany will be inhibited predominately by Turks (which will happen for sure in the nearest future) you will support their independence - their right to self-determination?
post scriptum Of course I condemn the expulsion of Germans.
@zobielamouche1 höhr auf zu winseln.du guckst zuviel gido knopp.bolschewisten sind schuld du spasti.hättest wohl lieber stalin gehabt,glaub ich dir sofort.
Gdańsk, Szczecin i Wrocław!
zhszhszhs 2 days ago
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BoehserBomberpilot 1 week ago
teraz się pisze Gdańsk, Szczecin i Wrocław......
turaj1 1 week ago
My father's ancestors come from the Elbing (Drausensee) area, I feel sadness about the loss!
Iamyourdoggie 2 weeks ago
Jetzt sind es europäische Städte. Deutsche UND polnische Kulturen vermischten sich. Wie vor Hitler und nach Hitler...
sotirios05 4 weeks ago
@sotirios05 Nein das sind polnische Städte und "deutsche" Städte sind bald islamische Städte ;)
AtIantis08 2 days ago
Tiefe trauer spüre ich ,wenn ich meine alte heimat besuche...in meinem Herzen bist du frei mein deutsches Schlesien!!
Ehre den Toten!!
NationaleZukunft2012 1 month ago
ich bin bereits in der zweite generation geboren .... kann es bis heute nicht begreifen! hätte stauffenberg es geschaft wären die ostgebiete bis heute deutsch geblieben ....
MrDavidlukas 1 month ago
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@MrDavidlukas .Staufenberg konnte nichts schaffen ; - Winston Churchill /: "Dieser Krieg ist ein englischer Krieg, und sein Ziel ist die Vernichtung Deutschlands."
Am 3.9.1939, dem Tag der britischen Kriegserklärung.
"Das unverzeihliche Verbrechen Deutschlands vor dem Zweiten Weltkrieg war der Versuch, seine Wirtschaftskraft aus dem Welthandelssystem herauszulösen und ein eigenes Austauschsystem zu schaffen, bei dem die Weltfinanz nicht mitverdienen konnte."
Wer wollte den Krieg ?-auf you t
carinhall1 3 weeks ago
Adolf Hackfresse soll in der Hölle schmoren und seine ganze Drecksbande mit ihm.
Einem kleinen Österreicher haben wir all diese Verluste zu verdanken.
Sokra01 1 month ago
@Sokra01
du bist wirklich saudumm !
Macrobi01 4 weeks ago 3
@Sokra01
Völlig richtig, aber keine Vorurteile gegenüber Österreich. Österreich ist genauso Teil des deutschen Kulturraumes wie diese schönen Städte.
LotrFC 2 weeks ago
lasst uns Ost Preussen zurückerobern ,warum nicht ? es ist Deutschland! dort Leben,war immer mein Traum! Oh Land der dunklen Wälder,die hälfte meiner Hausbewohner sind vertriebene Ost Preussen,ich würde gern eine Internetseite aufmachen das sich Vertriebene wiederfinden,sehr traurig! warum dürfen wir dort nicht mehr Leben es ist doch Deutsch??
HipHopNobby 1 month ago
@HipHopNobby
Don't be too brave. II World War against Poland was because Germany had no land connection with East Prussia (polish corridor).
PomorskiWilk 1 month ago
@PomeranianWolf I said the same, and consequence of that is that it doesn't matter the language they speak. Important is who they feel. The point is that we can't say that before 1793 (actually before 1815) the Danzigers were German. They only spoke German. This is big difference.
mitrowitz 1 month ago
@mitrowitz
No it's not. A people does not need a Jacobin nation-state to be a people. My ancestors were Germans. They fought for their language in Hoppenau, Altfelde and Lichtfelde bei Elbing. They paid taxes to the Polish king, and without problems. But they did so as Germans.
Iamyourdoggie 2 weeks ago
beautiful music, very sad though.
NordicThunder24 1 month ago
gebt uns diese orte wieder her ihr fucking polskis
BlutKult999 1 month ago
Once people will change all these crimes and lies....we won't forget! "greetings" from Germany. Crime is still crime - howevery you try to call it justice
r0i9c8h7i6e 1 month ago
Nice pictures....so what's the point? They are not German anymore. Payback for robbing the entire Europe of its wealth. The only reason why Germany is so rich now is because it has stolen more than it could chew on. A few cities taken from you won't give you too much of a stomach ache. Enjoy your peace! Unless you wish another war; that's the only way you can get your old stuff back. However this time nobody will ever for give you.
rechelieu 1 month ago
schöne bilder ! schade dass die ganzen städte ZUR ZEIT unter polnischer verwaltung stehen ;=D
herrmann8183 1 month ago
Gdańsk był od zawsze polskim miastem !!! - Gdańsk has always been Polish city! -Danzig ist seit jeher polnische Stadt gewesen!
Zwiadowca1996 1 month ago
And I don't blame every single German for it, particularly I don't blame contemporary Germans but it weren't Poles who started WWII and without the WWII there were not expulsion. Now, there are 3 or 4 generations of Poles which were born in former German territory. They don't know the heimats of their grand or grand-grandfothers. Their heimats are Szczecin, Wrocław, Śląsk, Sudety, etc. I don't say about Pomorze (Royal Prussia) because from my family perspective it was always part of Poland
mitrowitz 1 month ago
@mitrowitz You are correct, France and England started WW2. and Soviet Union would have got all of Europe if it were not for Germany. What a shitty time period huh? My family is from Stettin. They built that place, not Poles. I feel bad for Poles there too though, everything that happened was bullshit. Europe must unite against the Muslims now!!!! We MUST leave these things in the past and focus on the future!
NordicThunder24 1 month ago
@NordicThunder24 You don't want remember about 1st of September 1939. It was Germany that attacked Poland. 3rd of September 1939 was simply consequence of the German act. But I agree with you that we have more important things to do for future.
mitrowitz 1 month ago
@NordicThunder24
Have u got any photos from Stettin (before war??)
knapekkk 1 month ago
@knapekkk I personally do not. But I will ask my Oma when I see her next! I know she has a nice bier stein set from there and some other stuff too. I have family photos, but I do not know about photos of the city.
NordicThunder24 1 month ago
but it happened. Part of my family was ex-pulsed from Eastern Poland. Part of my family was forced to be Germans and was ex-pulsed from Royal Prussia, part of my family was killed by Germans and part by Russians. All these things happened but shouldn't.
mitrowitz 1 month ago
@mitrowitz We all lost in the end Mate.... Now we have to work with what we have. What we have is knowledge and pieces of History, the future MUST be peaceful as Europeans must all work together to keep our homelands EUROPEAN! Vote for NAtionalist parties so the immigrants will be stopped and our lands kept safe!!
NordicThunder24 1 month ago
But I'm agree that an expulsion is an expulsion. It doesn't matter who whom. But again, no result without reason. If Germany hadn't started the war against Poland it never happen, but they had. I remember the situation when son of former owner of my Grandfather house visited us. When he told his history in 1945 and after and my grandmother asked her history during the WWII, they cried together. This human experience. But still I remember my family history and I can say that it should not happen
mitrowitz 1 month ago
These are very emotional questions. It's not easy to answer them.
mitrowitz 1 month ago
After more than 100 years of German rules on former Polish territory, Poland claimed its rights to this land and Germans too. Germans said that population there want to be in Germany and Poland said that its are polish territory. Why Poland should accept 100 years of Germanisation and German colonisation on Polish territory? Geranisation means not only the forcing people to speaking German but also to change the national orientation by German speaking Poles.
mitrowitz 1 month ago
After Napoleonic wars the situation changed. The Danzigers became consider themselves as German first and Danzigers the second. And, if it was possible that German speaking people consider themselves as Poles in the end of XVIII c. than it is possible that part of Polish people consider themselves as Germans. The question is, how the people were asked during the census.
In 1918 sitoation was complicated.
mitrowitz 1 month ago
BTW, the ethnic situation is not stable, and the data are not clear. Royal Prussia (Western Prussia) with Danzig, Greater Poland (Posen Provinz) were part of Poland before they became part of Prussia. In general population was loyal to Polish Kingdom. It doesn't mater if they spoke German or Polish. When Danzig was incorporated to Kingdom of Prassia, the people there were against it. Why? They had been German. No, they hadn't. They had been Danzigers, Polish subjects.
mitrowitz 1 month ago
@GreaterPolish If 60% of the population in upper silesia had been polish, then yeah, Poland would have had every right to claim that area. With some border changes, to accommodate the few german provinces.
But it was exactly the other way around. Upper Silesia should have been left with Germany and some border provinces should have been gone to Poland.
Jonesdude666 1 month ago
@GreaterPolish Only border regions of Provinz Posen were german. The rest was exclusively polish. So yeah, That area belonged to the polish ppl. Prussian and later german rule were occupation, if u ask me.
The central part of West Prussia was the mainly rural part. With few inhabitants. Some border changes would have been necessary to benefit the polish population as much as possible though.
Jonesdude666 1 month ago
@GreaterPolish The annexation of Poland in 39 was as immoral as the annexation of east germany.
I still fail to see why west prussia should have become polish.2/3 of the population were german. There just weren't that many ppl living in the rural areas.
South East Prussia voted exclusively german. 363.209 ppl voted 4 Germany (97,89). Only 7.980 opted 4 Poland. And if you look at the lingustic map, south East Prussia seems almost entirely polish. So don't let those maps deceive you.
Jonesdude666 1 month ago
@GreaterPolish The dictators making those horrible decision and the ppl enforcing them are to blame. Not because most of the ppl who did cruel things came from this or that country. One cannot blame an entire population.
Why did polish politicians want Danzig back in 1945? It had a 95% geman population. Border provinces of upper siliesia belonged to Poland, but not whole upper silesia. Vote from the 1920's revealed that 60% of the population wanted to stay with Germany
Jonesdude666 1 month ago
@GreaterPolish btw: my great parents of both sides were fromegerland and bohemia. so they had their own problems with hitler, i dont think they liked him ;)
allvidsofsuxx 1 month ago
@GreaterPolish because every1 who reacted was taken to a KZ. just as it works in dictatorship. some ppl were proud, of course. but again, not only germans could be proud of such shit, every other nation would have been proud too. and yes, maybe most of the germans were responsible, i dont deny this. i justwant to say that every other nation would have done the same. so hate on hitler and rommel and his clsoe followers but not collectively on a same nation,[..2nd post]
allvidsofsuxx 1 month ago
@allvidsofsuxx , cause collective hate is what made hitler great. so stop supporting the same shit hate again, or one day there will come a 2nd hitler when polands people are unhappy and will do the same with poland. then every1 will ahte on poland, where collective hate is again, and so on. just stop that shit.
allvidsofsuxx 1 month ago
@GreaterPolish Are polish ppl responsible for the expulsion and annihilation of east germany? No they are not. In times of a dictatorship one cannot simply blame an entire people. Even if most off the polish ppl did approve. + Today's generation can't be held responsible.
Danzig, back then, belonged to Germany, as well as the Sudetenland, since almost 100% of the population consisted of germans who wanted to come" Heim ins Reich".
Jonesdude666 1 month ago
@GreaterPolish I'm not trying to play down german war crimes.I'm just defending the vaulues we liberal democracies so hold dear.
You do not engage the civil populous in battle.You do not murder civilians You do not use civilians as hostages.Summary Executions are abhorrent.You do not expell civilians.You do not annex territory without the consent of the inhabitants.
I recognize todays borders as given. I just think one should remember crimes against civilians. Polish or german does not matter
Jonesdude666 1 month ago
@GreaterPolish my grandparents did nothign they were much too young then.
and my great grandparents voted hitler because he promised work, peace and freedom. every nation would have voted the same bastard back then. if hitler would have been in poland, the polish would be the nazis now, if hitler would have been in france, the french were the nazis now. you have no right to say that germans still love hitler, not even to say that germans loved hitler longer than 1 year.
allvidsofsuxx 1 month ago
@GreaterPolish I strongly disagree, One cannot make whole population responsible 4 sumthin commited under a dictatorship. Same way I cannot blame polish ppl nowadays 4 destruction of eastern germany.
There is much blame do to go around, It affects every one.
But never a ppl as a whole.
polish ppl did suffer the same fate as german sileseans or prussians,
Jonesdude666 1 month ago
@GreaterPolish "Grudziądz became part of the Polish state. At that time Josef Włodek, the newly appointed Polish mayor, described his impression of the town as "modern but unfortunately completely German"" (Quote wikipedia)
When you turn a territory over to another country, cou need the populations consent. Without a plebsicite, the treaty is, in my opinion, null and void.(I recognize todays border.I mean back an the days I would have been against it, but today too much time has passed)
Jonesdude666 2 months ago
@GreaterPolish Germans did vote 4 Hitler. But he only did peace talks back in the "voting days". The whole war shit came when ppl weren't allowed to vote anymore. Its true that ppl were glad polish corridor had been abolished and upper silesia had been reunited with germany, but no one, but the nazis, wanted whole Poland to be annexed.
You can't blame the population in a whole for crimes committed under a dictatorship.
Dictatorship = No choice!
Jonesdude666 2 months ago
@GreaterPolish Polish corridor is identical with the former province of west-prussia.And 2/3 of the population of west-prussia was german. Its true, that the polish people have been a majority in rural areas,but the cities were vastly dominated by germans. (Thorn, Graudenz, Danzig).So it is not completely true that the province outside Danzig was 100% polish.
There should have been some border changes though.German Empire occupied parts of polish land (Province of Posen + lower west-prussia)
Jonesdude666 2 months ago
@GreaterPolish they love hitler, yes of course, we germans adore hitler and still kill every jew that we se.. fucking dumbass. -.-
allvidsofsuxx 2 months ago
@GreaterPolish Danzig belonged to Poland most of the time. But the cities population was overwhelmingly german. By your logic Province of Posen (Poznan) belonged to Prussia, but the population was overwhelmingly polish.
It all comes down to the population. Not the cities owner on some piece of paper.
Don't worry, I don't wanna claim territory or sumthin, I just wanna underline that expulsion is wrong. Don't care who gets expelled by whom. German or polish. Expulsions are wrong!
Jonesdude666 2 months ago
@Jonesdude666 1. Danzig was populated mostly by a German-speaking community. But German-speaking doesn't mean German per se. Read books written by a famous British scholar Ernest Gellner. Nations in central and eastern Europe, before the XIX century existed only in a political sense. People's national awareness back than was connected to the statehood traditions and had nothing to do with the language which was used by them.
RitterDesHimmels1 2 months ago
@Jonesdude666 2. People identified themselves back than with the monarchy and state - not with language. The same situation (even now) is in Western Europe; in Swiss confederation people use 4 languages, but their national awareness is based on the attachment to the state. The same goes with Ireland - over 80% of the Irish people speak English but they don't identified themselves with English people.
RitterDesHimmels1 2 months ago
@Jonesdude666 3. That's why Copernicus (tough he was born in a predominately German-speaking Thorn) identified himself with the Polish nation. He fought against the "Deutsches Orden" (Teutonic Order), dedicated ALL of his works to the Polish king, and that's why he was always seen by Germans as a Pole (Martin Luther called him a "Sarmatian-Polish foll).
RitterDesHimmels1 2 months ago
Danzig, Breslau und Stettin sind deutsche Städte wie auch Wien...
PittiPlatsch187 2 months ago
@PittiPlatsch187 Träum weiter:)
Eigentlich Osterreich ist der Erbe des Heiligen Römisches Reiches.
RitterDesHimmels1 2 months ago
@PittiPlatsch187 Berlin war gegründet von Slawen.
RitterDesHimmels1 2 months ago
@kekedog ...like Lviv should be Polish forever....
German lands should be german like polish lands should be polish!
titanic1234567 2 months ago
Tja wie unfair das Stetin nicht mehr deutsch ist und ponische schweine wie Wroblewski Bogusz arbeiten als Hurenhütter in England in den polnischen Hurenhäuser wo die Polinen uns deutschen Touristen den Schwanz lutschen müssen. Ich kann nur den Hurensohn diese Stelle gratulieren beste Arbeit für ein Polacken. Bogusz Wroblewski Alfons w UK hahaha
chriss22NRW 2 months ago
@chriss22NRW Wer hat denn dir die deutsche Sprache beigebracht, Mehmet an der Kebab Bude? Versuche es noch einmal mit einem richtigen Sprachbegleiter villeicht.
olibeno 2 months ago 2
@olibeno
Ich hab' zu schnell getippt, drum hab ich fehler auch gemacht. Ich bin ein Deutscher. Ich schreib' keine Komas, da es zu lange dauert. Es ist ja nur Internet niemand gibt also acht, wie du hier schreibst und was du schreibst. Ich schreib' jetzt langsam und mache nur wenige Fehler, wenn auch schon keine. Ich hatte zwar ein Paar Damen, die nicht deutscher Herkunft waren im Bett, aber ich bereue es sehr
chriss22NRW 2 months ago
@chriss22NRW Niveau?? bei dir wohl fehlanzeige
Jan25975 2 months ago 2
polen polen uber alles!!!
ludek1288 2 months ago
Los, holen wir uns die OStgebiete wieder zurück!!!!!
THIS IS GERMANY AND NOT POLAND!!!!
Basti6814 2 months ago
@Basti6814 If it's Germany than go live there, nobody is stoping you!
OrzelBialy007 2 months ago
THIS IS POLAND NOT GERMANY!!!!!!
mitrowitz 2 months ago
Danzig, Breslau und Stettin sind polnisch und wird polnisch bleiben. In the meantime, ENJOY your turks. I hope they flood you completely.
keoism 2 months ago
beim nächsten "Ringkampf" schicken wir alle Polaken weg vom Raubland zu den Russen, die werden das dann schon in Bärenmanier richten........noch ist Polen nicht verloren
blauerBMW 3 months ago
A po trzeciej wojnie światowej Niemcy będą żądać dodatkowo zwrotu Meklemburgii, Brandenburgii i Saksonii :D W sumie nie ważne, czy zajmiemy je sami, czy podaruję je nam Chińczycy, Rosjanie, czy Amerykanie, ważne, że będą nasze, a przy takiej postawie Niemców, jak tu prezentowana, to jest więcej niż pewne :D:D:D
mitrowitz 3 months ago
Fakty są takie, ze niezależnie od poglądów na temat przyczyn wojny, na zachodnich terenach Polski mieszka już 4 pokolenie Polaków, z czego 3 już się tam urodziły. To dokładnie takie same prawo, jak wcześniej mieli Niemcy po kilku pokoleniach obcości na tych terenach zajętych przeważnie siłą.
mitrowitz 3 months ago
@mitrowitz Te twoje pokolenia zajechał takie miasta :Bytom, Chorzów, Zabrze,Gliwice,Katowice i.t.d. Jeden z neutralnych komisarzy po plebiscycie na Górnym śląsku powiedział o władzy polskiej "małpa dostała zegarek w dodatku złoty" Kanclerz Hindenburg powiedział ;nie przejmujcie się Polską ona raz jest raz jej niema... Gdyby nie 1 wojna światowa może do dzisiaj by nie istniała bo została przepita przez samych Polaków ;jedz,pij,popuszczaj pasa.. największym wrogiem dla Polaków są sami Polacy
18florencja 2 months ago
@18florencja To tak samo jak Niemcy, raz są a raz ich nie ma. Jakoś Niemcy nie chcą widzieć, że Niemcy powstały w drodze podbojów, także państw niemieckich, co nazwano zjednoczeniem.
mitrowitz 2 months ago
Polaska zyskała te ziemię jako rekompensatę za utracone ziemie na wschodzie. Owszem kosztem Niemiec. Pytanie dlaczego? Proste, bo Niemcy miały rozpętały wojnę światową i przegrały. Zapłaciły cenę za wojnę.
mitrowitz 3 months ago
W sumie sprawa jest prosta. Nie ma czegoś takiego jak historyczne prawo do ziem. Granice zawsze przesuwały się w wyniku zaborów, przejęć, wojen. Prusy zyskały Pomorze i Wielkopolskę, bo zajęły polskie terytoria podczas zaborów, zajęły Śląsk w wyniku WOJNY z Austrią. Osadnictwo niemieckie naych terytoriach było, a i owszem, za zgoda lokalnych, czyli polskich bądź czeskich władców. W dawnych czasach nie liczył się język a lojalność wobec władcy
mitrowitz 3 months ago
Trzeba oddać Niemcom, to co zostawili ze Szczecina, Gdańska i Wrocławia. Gruzy!
Te miasta zostały odbudowane przez Polaków i zasiedlone Polakami. Należą do Polski.
mitrowitz 3 months ago
@mitrowitz
Have you ever seen the Polish propaganda posters from the interwar period (1918-39)? It supposed a "revision" of the Polish border was "necessary".
What kind of "revision"?
Annexation of all the land in the East of the Elbe (!) - together with Berlin itself and on the other hand, all the lands to the West of SMOLENSK (Belarus, Lithuania, Ukraine, parts of Russia)... Those were the secret wishes of the Polish governments between the two Wars. Very just and right indeed...
walterdonath 3 months ago
@walterdonath Nakręcanie się hasłami propagandowymi, to budowanie fałszywej świadomości. Jasne, że Polacy nie kochali Niemców i Rosjan, którzy kilkanaście lat wcześniej władali polskimi ziemiami. Tyle, że nie miało to praktycznych skutków. Rząd Polski nigdy nie złożył Niemcom ultimatum, Oddajecie Kopanicę i Kraków nad Jeziorem albo wkraczamy zbrojnie. Niemcy takie ultimatum przedstawili odnośnie korytarza pomorskiego.
mitrowitz 3 months ago
@mitrowitz Niemcy odbudowali by te miasta bez żadnego problemu , sięgnij do historii jeden z piastowskich królów wielkich sprzedał śląsk .Stalin podarował Polsce bez mała połowę terytorium na których wcześniej nie dołożyła ani jednej cegły. A dlaczego Niemcy nie wywołali wojny z Czechami , bo z silnym się liczy a nie walczy(polityka Piłsudzkiego,6mln. ofiar i ruiny Warszawa na własne życzenie.Polacy umieją tylko gadać bezsensu pić, kraść ..polak potrafi .
18florencja 2 months ago
@18florencja Gdyby babcia miała wąsy to... Fakty są takie, że te miasta odbudowali Polacy. Co do wojny z Czechami, toś mnie bracie (a może siostro) zaskoczył. O ile mi wiadomo, Czechy zostały po prostu zajęte przez Niemcy. Nie było co wojować. Ze Słowacji zrobiono państwo satelitarne a z Czech protektorat, za co Czesi odpłacili Niemcom usuwając ich z czeskich Sudetów, czyli zrobili to samo, co Polacy. Co do inwektyw pod adresem Polaków, to świadczą o Tobie.
mitrowitz 2 months ago
This is OUR land!
86ToKiMa899 3 months ago
@86ToKiMa899 That WAS your land!
OrzelBialy007 3 months ago
@OrzelBialy007
Ostpreussen (Eastern-Prussia), Pommern (Pomerania) and Schlesien (Silesia).
It was never your country! Your king pledged us to defeat the prusses and rewarded
US with their land, conquered by german knights!
86ToKiMa899 3 months ago
@86ToKiMa899 I'm agree, this is OUR land!! :D
mitrowitz 2 months ago
@mitrowitz
don´t be too sure of it. In the warshaw-contract is written: "The border is un-hurtable"! This means that it can only changed by treaties. UNTOUCHABLE would be the word for "cannot change forever". If Polens economy will be death, we´ll take up treaties again son!
86ToKiMa899 2 months ago
@86ToKiMa899 Show me the border which have been unchangeable in the history? The Powers rise up and fall. No border is sure for ever, but you can be sure that if you want to take our territory it means the war. Last century history teaches that when Germans start the war they lost the territories. And for now I don't see that our economy would fall. The problem is in the Euro zone.
mitrowitz 2 months ago
@86ToKiMa899 you can check the border traity
Artikel 2
Die vertragsparteien erklären, dass die zwischen ihnen bestehende Grenze jetzt und zukunft unverletzlich ist und verpflichten sich gegenseitig uneingeschränkten Achtung ihrer souveränität und territorialen integrität.
mitrowitz 2 months ago
@mitrowitz
Träum weiter! Und lass Dir gelegentlich mal den juristischen Unterschied zwischen "unverletzlich" und "unantastbar" erläutern.
Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar, die Freiheit der Person, die Wohnung, Post- und Fernmeldegeheimnis etc. dagegen unverletzlich. Merkst Du was?
:-)
Letztere können aufgehoben werden, die Menschenwürde nicht. Punkt!
86ToKiMa899 2 months ago
@86ToKiMa899 Pojęcie "nienaruszalność" w języku prawniczym oznacza, że nie można tego zmienić. Traktat graniczny napisano w języku polskim i niemieckim. W tekście polskim użyto pojęcia "nienaruszalność". Rozumienie tego pojęcia wypracowano na gruncie koncepcji praw człowieka, z których podstawowe są nienaruszalne. Wykładnia gramatyczna mówi, że nienaruszalne jest to, czego nie można naruszyć, zmienić., przesunąć. W traktacie użyto także określenia "teraz i w przyszłości".
mitrowitz 2 months ago
@86ToKiMa899 Oba teksty: polski i niemiecki są ważne. Zatem jeśli zgodzono się na zastosowanie pojęcia "nienaruszalny" w tekście polskim, to tak właśnie należy rozumieć "unverletzlich".
I have written in Polish becouse You have written in German. This in not my language or our common.
mitrowitz 2 months ago
@86ToKiMa899 was macht das für einen unterschied, wenn wir in 30-40 jahren nicht mehr deutsche, sondern türken als nachbar haben? merkst du was?
:)
yandros23 2 months ago
@yandros23
Das wird genauso wie mit den Polen, die im Ruhrgebiet gearbeitet haben. In 100 Jahren merkst Du nur noch am Namen, dass die mal aus der Türkei kamen. und dann dahin gehen die genausowenig in eine Moschee, wie wir in die Kirche!
Unsere ganzen Katschinskis, Rumanskis und wie sie alle heissen, singen heute die deutsche Nationalhymne, statt die polnische. Merkst Du was? ;-)
86ToKiMa899 2 months ago
@86ToKiMa899
hahaha dat sin keine Polen mehr sie wollen mit solchen Huren wie Bogusz Wroblewski den Lügner und Penner nix zu tun ham.
chriss22NRW 2 months ago
@86ToKiMa899 To dokładnie tak samo jak z Bambrami mieszkającymi w okolicach Poznania. Pamiątają, że pochodzą z Bambergu ale śpiewają hymn Polski :)
mitrowitz 2 months ago
Oh yes germans are the pure evil we come an take the land from the Native Americans we take the Black mans as slaves we drop the A-Bomb and bombt the civilians in vietnam with napalm, or "free" so many peaople in irak and israel and look away from palestine when the jews murder civilians OH NO WAIT... we are not the terrorists from the usa
TheMcnoob 4 months ago
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TheMcnoob 4 months ago
szkopy znów swoje łby podnoszą
hutyrka1000 4 months ago
an sich müsste man sagen das polen jetz ein teil von uns ist...
MrTwiqz 4 months ago
sicher sind es jetzt polnische Städte und das land gehört nach politischer ordnung zu polen aber ich sehe das mal alles etwas entspannter...ich denke mal im rahmen der europäisiereung werden sich polen und deutsche soweit annähren das es wieder zu den mischgebieten kommen wird die es bereits 1921 gab, zum zeitpunkt der volksabstimung...ich denke mal wir werden und sollten uns auch vertragen und an einem strang ziehen
baerchen0971 5 months ago 2
heim ins reich
Ruchsacksepp 5 months ago
"1000 years in 5 minutes" on youtube, as you see, Danzig was POLISH (more than 700 years), after the partition of Poland germans took it... They settled it, and as Poland became a state again after 123 years of occupation, this land was "german lands"... -.- Liars. Look at the polish western border as Poland was became a country... Near the same borderline as nowdays.
MaxMixMac 6 months ago
@MaxMixMac Danzig was Polish in the 13 th century. But this was a fisher's village.
The whole German hanseatic city of Danzig was built by Germans, not by Poles. Every single house in Danzig is stolen - by Poland.
Poland raped, murdered or expelled the whole Danzig population. This is unique in World history.
The people who live in Danzig today have no roots in the city, they come from Central Poland or Lwow.
They should apologize to the Germans Danzigers.
Elberiver11 4 months ago
@Elberiver11 Only in the XIII century? Gdansk was the Polish from the X century to the XIII and returned to the Polish in the XV century and was in Poland to the XVIII century. Gdańsk stolen because Prussia, together with Austria and Russia poland undressed. Flag Gdańsk(Danzig) created the Polish King. You know the history of Wroclaw (Breslau) Sczecin(Stettin)? Maybe you do not know but Szczecin and Wroclaw was Polish from age X to XIII.
szesienapic 3 months ago
@MaxMixMac By the 18th century, nobody in Danzig spoke Polish. The Hanseatic league was a German association, this merchant activity has changed the city over centuries.
London was a Roman city , but London has changed, today English city. Same thing.
Danzig in 1945 was just as German as Berlin, Stettin, Dresden, Breslau.
Poland is biggest thief in human history. But not only theft of whole cities, but also massmurder of children and women. Why do Poles hide their genocide?`
Elberiver11 4 months ago
@Elberiver11 Ahahahhaha, massmurder of children and women? You mean the Germans you freak.
MaxMixMac 4 months ago
@Elberiver11 you are typical german pig! you lie alike a dog! come here you hitler-son we process some prussian sausage from you! you mass-murder, thief, plague, mud, virus, faggot, rag, swine!
sylwekkos 4 months ago
@Elberiver11 Stalin after the war, he said that returning to the old Polish lands that had lost in the XIII century for the benefit of German and Czech. Gdańsk was the most important port city of the First Republic of Poland
(I Rzeczpospolita)
szesienapic 3 months ago
@Elberiver11 read. reading will make you smarter !!!
KrzysiuJarzyna01 3 months ago
@Elberiver11 As far as i know, the germans are the biggest murderers and theives. There are two world wars on your account ya dumb piece of shit.
OrzelBialy007 3 months ago
stettin breslau konigsberg should be a part of germany forever...
kekedog 6 months ago 28
@kekedog in your dreams buddy
KrzysiuJarzyna01 3 months ago
@kekedog
Oh really? What about Warshaw or Poznan?
Krolewiec (Konigsberg) should return to Poland or Lithuania where it is belong from centuries.
And what about Lusatia?
TheWieczory 2 months ago
@TheWieczory and grodno,and lvov,kaunas should be a part of poland forever
kekedog 2 months ago
@kekedog shut up...
Bremen , Berlin should back to poland !
88pl0 2 months ago
Leider sind die wohl noch im inneren deutscher als berlin jetzt ist :-(
Freigeist1908 6 months ago
"Die Wahrheit bricht sich Bahn
trotz allem Lug und Trug
sie eilet stets voran
in ihrem sichren Flug
Sie ist´s, die stets zersprengt der Knechtschaft Bande
und Licht verbreitet über alle Lande
Der Wahrheit wollen wir uns weihn
sie lebe fort in unsern Reihn"
Theodor Dingel
r0i9c8h7i6e 7 months ago 3
Szczecin's old town looks the worst of all
Hordeman89 7 months ago
@H114192 und was willst du damit genau sagen?
zobielamouche1 9 months ago
Und egal wer was behauptet, es ist und bleibt DEUTSCHER Boden!
adfhaf 9 months ago 2
es ist die schuld der nazis dass es keine deutschen städte mehr sind. ganz europa mit krieg überziehen, menschen zu untermenschen erklären, sie zu hunderttausenden entwurzeln......dieser terror musste, nachdem sich das blatt im krieg wendete, zurückkommen!
zobielamouche1 11 months ago
@zobielamouche1 Der Krieg ist schuld der Nazis, der Völkermord und alle von deutschen begangenen Verbrechen im zweiten Weltkrieg auch.
Die Vertreibungen sind aber nicht auf die Nazis zurückzuführen. Das waren die Alliierten Völkerrechtsverbrecher. Hitler hat keine deutschen vertrieben. Nur andere Völker. Will sagen: Im Völkerrecht gibt es kein zweierlei Maß. Im Klartext: Wer das Generalgouvernement scheiße findet, muss auch Oder-Neiße scheisse finden. Nichts rechtfertigt Vertreibung. Niemals!
Jonesdude666 10 months ago
@zobielamouche1 Ich will damit nicht die Verbrechen der deutschen im zweiten Weltkrieg relativieren. Das ganz und gar nicht. Aber man muss doch objektiv genug sein um zu sagen, dass es eine Kollektivschuld nicht gibt. Amerika führt gegen den Irak auch einen Angriffskrieg. Darf der Irak nun Kalifornien annektieren und die Menschen vertreiben?
Vor welchem Hintergrund Vertreibungen stattfinden ist wurscht. Ob nun Polen vertrieben werden oder Deutsche ist mir wurscht. Beides ist verbrecherisch
Jonesdude666 10 months ago 17
@Jonesdude666 du bist ein bayer..und weiswurscht bist mir auch
argon97 3 months ago
@argon97 Ich bin Westfale
Jonesdude666 3 months ago
@Jonesdude666 Jedes Land nach den verlierender Krieg verliert auch Territorien. Es war immer so in die Geschichte.
RitterDesHimmels1 2 months ago
@RitterDesHimmels1 Schön, damit hast du gerade die Annexion Polens seitens Nazi-Deutschlands gerechtfertigt.
Wäre das auch ok, wenn wir Teile Afghanistans oder die USA Teile des Irak annektieren würde?
Jonesdude666 2 months ago
@Jonesdude666 Nazi-Deutschland hat das Krieg verloren.
USA ist zu weit entfernt um Annexionen in Irak zu machen.
RitterDesHimmels1 2 months ago
@RitterDesHimmels1 Yeah so what. Wanna more fitting example like USA annexing half of Mexico or sumthin? Annexing territory is ok WITH the populations consent. But without it it is a war crime if you ask me. Don't care under what circumstances, treating the population like that is abhorrent. The way Germany treated Poland after 1939 was abhorrent and so was the way Germany has been dealt with after WW2.
Jonesdude666 2 months ago
@Jonesdude666 So when some parts of Germany will be inhibited predominately by Turks (which will happen for sure in the nearest future) you will support their independence - their right to self-determination?
post scriptum Of course I condemn the expulsion of Germans.
RitterDesHimmels1 2 months ago
@zobielamouche1 höhr auf zu winseln.du guckst zuviel gido knopp.bolschewisten sind schuld du spasti.hättest wohl lieber stalin gehabt,glaub ich dir sofort.
MegaWehrmacht 8 months ago
za niemca nawet woda w zatoce była lazurowa xD...
originalbona11111111 1 year ago
@originalbona11111111 nie, te zdjęcia są z czasu polskiego, więc nie masz racji
GlieseD 1 year ago
@originalbona11111111 deutschland deutschland über alles
druse1000 2 months ago