I've met Clinton Woods in Orlando airport, when I was going on holiday and he was waiting to get his passport checked, and I dint really know who he was at first then we got talking and I asked "So then why are you coming to america?" he replied I'm fighting that guy out of "Rocky(Antonio Tarver)",in Tampa bay.So me and my family went to go watch him fight and it was great. Then funny enough we sore him again going home and he signed and gave me his gloves which I still have today <3.
damn, roy's my man, he was suppose to fight tarver instead of woods, but he chose woods, im so sure he would did tarver the same way at this time, moved up to beat ruiz and retired on top like his gut feeling told him to,
Look at that black lady @ 1:27 on the left sitting ringside, putting the paper to her face so the sweat from woods getting his head bashed wouldn't get on her LMAO
@1fourtheheap excuse me,but who the fuck r u to tell me anything?? calzaghe was undefeated throughtout his career .so called legends like jones jnr and hopkins avoided him like the plague until they needed a payday,and both got spanked.. not sure calzaghe could have beaten jones jnr in his prime but he always had and always would have bhops number,hence the big mouth black racist ran until he wanted some cash and a slap,and he duly got both..lol
In fairness to RJs' record: His dad was his manager, cornerman, and handled the promoting of his son. It wasn't until he got Merc in his corner, the Levins to take care of the business and promoting that he really got better opponents and bigger checks.
Jones in his prime was just a different class. I wish he had retired after Ruiz as he would then be regarded right up there.
Calzaghe made most of his talent and managed his fights to perfection. A bit like Naz Hammed, who fought one prime fighter and we know what happened. I genuinely believe Hamed thought he was getting a washed up Barrera. Calzaghe thought great fighters- but at the wroong time for them.
Jones in his prime was just a different class. I wish he had retired after Ruiz as he would then be regarded right up there.
Calzaghe made most of limited talent and managed his fights to perfection. A bit like Naz Hammed, who fought one prime fighter and we know what happened. I genuinely believe Hamed thought he was getting a washed up Barrera. Calzaghe thought great fighters- but at the wroong time for them.
Jones has the most padded record ever first 21 fights against complete bums and only hopkins and Toney till fight 48 and just 10 months before the Calzaghe fight he fought Trinidad abd won and all the yank press was fawning over him agian then Calzaghe made him look silly.
Jones has the most padded record ever first 21 fights against complete bums and only hopkins and Toney till fight 48 and just 10 months before the Calzaghe fight he fought Trinidad abd won and all the yank press was fawning over him agian the Calzaghe made him look silly.
@dsh301 Jones was totally past it. He fought the best fighters, Woods was a tough operator who was the mandatory challenger and Jones literally walked through him.
@bigdunk9 Name the great fighters he fought in his 1st 21 fights. And only fought BHop and Toney who I would say on his record were great boxers he didnt fight Calzaghe early in there careers as Jones was moving between weights.
Ps I'm not saying Jones isn't any good just think that some people arguments that Calzaghe dodged him are completely unfounded and that every Boxer gets padded fights.
@dsh301 No boxer fights anybody noteworthy in their first 20 or so fights. They need to gain experience by fighting durable, yet limited journeymen. It pretty much goes without saying. Jones always fought mandatory challengers, not only did he fight them he completely anihilated them. Calzaghe didn't seem to set on fighting him in his prime to be fair, and I don't blame him. Jones has fell a long way since then though. Jones is one of the top 10 P4P ever IMO, based on natural skill.
@bigdunk9 But you could say same as as Jones he never actively per sued Calzaghe either. Joe fought mandatory challangers aswell and even had a fight with Bhop on the go until Bhop changed his financial demands at the last minute.
I'm not Rubbishing Jones trying to point out the the similarities between his and Calzaghe's fighting records. The only difference is that Joe retired before his punch resistance and reflexes had gone.
Calzaghe obviously was protecting his undefeated record by retiring without facing Chad Dawon, but I don't blame him. Joe was at the end of his career while Dawson was in his own prime years. Losing to Dawson would've hurt Joe's legacy. It's better to retire one fight too soon than one fight too late, in my opinion.
Sven Ottke is not overrated, nor is he underrated. He doesn't rate at all. He did nothing spectacular his whole career. He quietly retired without losing. Whoop-de-doo.
I listened to Clinton Woods talk about this fight while he was having his hair cut in my friends shop. He said he felt confident before the fight, but in the ring with Jones, he said how hard it was. A totally honest, modest bloke with a chin like a brick wall & a heart the size of a rhino! A credit to Sheffield & boxing.
Calzaghe had superb timing...fought Jones at the right time. Lucky bastard...Calzaghe had something that most European fighters don't have.....movement!! His legacy has been tarnished....should've fought Dawson to make good on those skills.
Who the fuck is Joe?...lol, what the fuck are you talking about?...comprehend what you type before you send it...you sound like a douche!! You don't know shit until it happens!!
Stop leaving your limy period blood droppings all over the page!! Joe quit on you...what a legend, a legend who didn't fight anybody really good in their prime!! Legacy denied!!!
@brotherhood302 Who the fuck r u more like,..?U stupid fucking imbecile,what u know about boxing or probably anything else for that matter could be written on posage stamp with a spray can, u complete prick.
Woods is hard as nails and great heart: he was a legit champ and his win over Glen Johnson was great. But he wasn't especially talented: Jones was at his peak in this fight. But Cloud didn't punish Woods: a younger Woods would have prob. beaten Cloud.
As for Calzaghe, he's a different class - a true, true great: absolutely humiliated Jones. One of the greatest fighters of all time.
Btw Jones was a coward, always ducked the best fighters, from Benn, Eubank and Collins to Dariusz Michalczewski.
so wat u calling hopkins, toney, virgil hill and so on poor fighters, a was their in newcastle when reid kicked the fuck out of calzaghe and got robbed and who the fuck did calzaghe fight no body until he fought to great fighters who were old and passed their best, jones would of killed him in his prime but the little welsh fucker was to scared to leave that shit hole t fight anyone, jones is a hall of famer at his best top five pound for pound fighters ever and a no my boxing
Calzaghe is massively overrated by British fans. If he was as good as they all said he was they'd care much more about him in the States, but they don't. I have more respect for Hatton than Calzaghe, theres a reason he wasn't ever a major factor in the P4P rankings, it's a very pretty record, sadly he never beat anybody of any real worth.
yea cloud fought nothing like this, neither fights were close but at least woods v cloud was competitive, only reason it was a tko was corner stoppage anyway, was annoying in the cloud fight when they kept mentioning that this was the only time woods was stopped when it was a corner retirement, woods could have lasted the distance but he was losing badly and there was no need to for him to take 6 more rounds of punishment. think thats is for woods now though after saturday
I was watching them on a split screen. They LOOKED identical, the way Woods was cowering, the way Jones/Cloud were punishing him, even the way they moved around the ring. I didn't say that Cloud and Jones were identical, just that the fights themselves were aesthetically quite similar.
But you gotta admit that Woods is TOUGH. Not too many men can take that kind of punishment and still be standing. Jones couldn't knock him down, Cloud coudn't. I'm not too sure if any Lt Hvy guys can.
i dont get why you would watch them on a split screen? woods wasnt winning v cloud but he wasnt being punished by any means, he was v jones hence the towel. i cant see the comparison myself but thats your opinion. yea woods has got a beast of a chin and a massive heart, just a shame he could never perform when he really needed to jones, tarver, cloud. he said b4 the fight he was gonna retire if he lost so think thats the last were gonna see of old clinton unfortunately
It looked like Clinton was taking alot of punishment against cloud to me. I was proud of him for finishing on his feet, but I was disappointed that he lost. By the way, leftydan is wrong, Woods didn't cower, he's too good of a pro for that, but he's right that Woods is one tough customer.
Woods is a tough ass dude, every shot he took from Cloud he let him know it couldn't hurt him. Then he got wobbled in tha 8th but stayed up..gotta giv him tha horns for that ( )
but there is alot to say about calzaghe, for some reason these british fighters lack alot of technical skillz and they dont fight the elite fighters until their mid careers, when they finally have enough draw to attract the elite fighters, they are either past their prime or somewhat vulnerable, only when they actually fight someone who isnt washed up can everyone see the truth....hatton met pacquioa, and if calzaghe would have faced dawson we would see the truth about him also
he had more stamina in this fight than he did for even the first round of the calzaghe and 1st tarver fight. dont be delusional and say he is the same or anywhere close, look at his workouts look at the akwardness in his footwork after he moved back down, he couldnt even knock out an overpowered, outspeeded and out boxed felix trinidad...after being able to hurt a full fledge heavyweight....there isn t any need to argue over this anymore because its just talk
look all these fighters are human, they get old and lose attributes after making huge sacrifices, but none of these guys would of beat jones and his prime, with his footspeed, handspeed, reflexes...were not going to talk about record, because roy jones was not in any danger of losing a fight before he went up and came back down from heavyweight....in none of the fights roy had after moving back down did he have anywhere near the stamina, speed awareness or durability he had before
Even for the fight against Calzaghe but the fact is. Since he lost to Tarver he hasnt fought like he did in his prime. Hell, You could see it in his fights with Hanshaw and Ajamu. He was scared of getting KOd.
Jones beat Hopkins, Toney, McCallum, Griffin, Gonzalez, Woods, Hopkins, Tarver. Now compare that with who Calzaghe and Ottke beat and youll see what I mean. BTW, I never said Jones went from p4p to 1 to past it in one fight. What I was TRYING to tell you is that after the Ruiz fight he lost 25 lbs on muscle coming down from HW. And then he got knocked out. Which has a huge mental effect on a fighter especially when theyve been dominating their whole career. Jones was still a top fighter
Thats why I dont consider Ottke and Calzaghe to be legends. Neither of them fought any one world class fighter that was in his prime. Calzaghe beat a massively over hyped Lacy and a 44 year old Hopkins and 40 year old Jones. Ottke beat some decent fighters but got dodgy decisions and like I said not against any real world class fighters. Thats why Jones and Hopkins ARE legends. Thyeve fought the best and dominated for years. Hopkins beat Pavlik, Winky, Tarver, Trinidad, Johnson, De La Hoya
Dude, Calzaghe beat Jones when he was 3-3 in his last 6 and had been KOd twice. IF Jones never had a chin then he wouldnt have beat Hopkins, Toney and Tarver. But the FACT of the matter is that RJJ was past it when Calzaghe fought him. The same was as Eubank was past it when Calzaghe beat him.
i agree jones was past his prime when he fought calzaghe but calzaghe was too, hes nowhere near as quick as he was even in 2005 and i think he was only down once in whole career b4 bhop n jones,and those punches esp the jones one would never have dropped him a few years ago.bhop jones was tactical, jones toney was over quick and he just edged out tarver...who then knocked him out, i honestly cant think of anytime jones has been tagged well b4 tarver, first time his chin was tested he got kod....
Come on man. Calzaghe wasnt past it. Jones and B-Hop were his biggest wins and they came in his prime. Jones only got dropped once before Tarver and by then he was past his prime (even the first fight) and bear in mind he had came down from HW for the fights with Tarver. So thats 25 lbs of solid muscle he lost. So thats BOUND to drain him. He never got caught because he was so quick. But please dont try and act like Jones isnt a legend because he is. Winning every fight doesnt make a legend
Sorry chump but boxing legends exist outside the states, I know, its hard to believe there are other countries outside the states to you Yanks but, there are.
CHRIS EUBANK was the biggest win on Calzaghes record, followed then by Lacy, Kessler,Hopkins and then Jones.
I think a prime Roy Jones beats anyone at Light-Heavy. All you have to do is look what he did to Clinton Woods who has beaten Glen Johnson and Julio Gonzalez twice. Roy beat the crap out of Clinton and Woods is a top LHW. Jones was on another level to the likes of Woods, Gonzalez, Eubank.
Roy Jones wouldve destroyed Beyer. As for Ottke and Calzaghe well they didnt want to fight anyone good. They were too concerned on protecting their unbeaten records. Jones beat everyone there was for him to beat at Light Heavy. He also won pretty much all the titles at that weight (WBC, WBA, IBF, IBO, WBF, IBA NBA all at the same time) so he beat everyone who was there to beat. Glen Johnson is a good, tough fighter but he got wrecked by Hopkins. Jones would have beaten him up in his prime.
how on earth can you but ottke in the same sentance as calzaghe? everyone knows ottke was a fraud, if jones was so much better than calzaghe why did he get demolished? even if he was past his prime if he was so good it would have been close. the johnson fight was 2 years after this fight, your telling me jones went from top 10 p4p to totally shot in 2 years?? he got knocked out cold just 1 year after this fight! jones lost some speed and reflexes over time, but he never had a chin, ask tarver...
fastest fighter ever. maybe sugar ray leanard but he didn have the power jones did. nobody even came close to fighting him. after 1995 nobody wanted to fight him. scared. just look at him fight you couldn pay me enough to fight him. name 2 fighter that could beat jones during our time... i'll wait..... exacly cant think of anybody cant ya. to good. to smart. to powerful. to fast. to clever.
greatest of the last 30-40 years bar none. the next best thing is bhop then money may.
mm yea but where was glen johnson and tarver and calzaghe in his prime.. hidding. if jones wouldn of went up to heavyweight tarver would of been his next opponent. and look how he was right there. still the best. he would of never lost if he stayed at light heavy. tarver would of been k.o'd easily in 5 rounds if they fought if he wouldn of went up. same as glen. he is like top 10 all time. middlewight lightheavy and heavyweight champ? aint nobody done that.
Jones was most dominant at super middle. It is a shame he didn't fight Michaelczswki, Beyer, Ottke, Calzaghe, McClennan or Toney (again). A rematch with Hopkins who improved considerably from the 1993 fight would have been interesting.
Personally I think Tarver+ Johnson would have given Roy Jones problems at light heavy regardless of when they thought. They were skilled fighters+ naturally bigger stronger men than Jones, who apart from Lou De Valle didn't box many good light heavy weights..
Roy Jones Pound for Pound King (1994-2004) at his awesome, brilliant best dispatching a sturdy, future world champion whom has never been stopped, before or since. I'm from the UK and it was aired on terrestrial (free) TV- the BBC and EVERYONE waxed lyrical about how amazing Jones was then, its a shame that lesser boxers caught him at the right time and got victories over him. But that doesn't take away from his status as a LEGEND :-D
The last good performance by Jones at light heavy. Correct me if I am wrong but after this didn't he then go up to heavyweight to fight Ruiz?
Ruiz was the weakest of the champions+ was poor on the night, but after that fight Jones shed weight to meet Tarver at 175lbs + looked weight weakened. He got a lucky decision in the first fight + was badly knocked out in the second. He was never the same fighter after that. The Jones who fought Calzaghe is a pale imitation of the man we see on the clip
I agree. But despite Jones being weaker after shedding 20 pounds of beef to fight Tarver in the 1st fight; Jones FINALLY had to dig deep and pull out the victory in those "championship" rounds, 9-12. Tarver tried to steal rounds by flurrying in the last 30 seconds of some of those rounds. But Roy Jones owned Tarver in the middle of the ring; especially with those body-shots.
I would have to watch the Jones v Ratrver fight again. I thought Jones was VERY lucky to get the decision.
My recollection of the fight was Jones threw few punches: single jab, single hook, no combinations, the occasional straight right which Tarver blocked fairly easily. Tarver threw and appeared to land far more punches.
This fight was the beginning of the end for Roy Jones. It was the last time he beat a world class fighter+ he later suffered heavy knockouts that damaged his legacy..
RJJ suffering bad KO losses much past his prime doesn't damage his legacy at all. I fighter's legacy is based on what he's done in the prime and height of his career. Those bad losses don't override the awesome body work he's done over 50 fights, as opposed to 3 or 4 bad losses that were past his prime.
If that was the case, every other great fighter in boxing history would "damage" legacies as you put it.
After the crushing defeats Many people may now re-evaluate their previous opinion on Roy Jones. He may now be regarded as a fast moving fancy dan boxer who would fold when put under severe pressure against top level fighters. He had just two major wins v against a developing Hopkins+ an out of condition Toney. They may say that he didn't beat the best fighters around eg Ottke, Michaelczski, Beyer, Calzaghe. They may say when he finally fought very good men eg Johnson, Tarver he was badly KO'd..
Although RJJ probably should've fought some of those tougher opponents in his prime, my opinion still stands as is. Don't forget he beat Tarver the first time around after dumping 20 pounds of beef as a one-time heavyweight, and basically fought Tarver on 'fumes' and beat him. Calzaghe stated years ago that he wanted no part of RJJ at super-middle or light-heavy. As for the Johnson loss, RJJ clearly hadn't recovered mentally from the Tarver loss and it showed badly in the Johnson fight.
RJJ clearly would've out-classed and outboxed Johnson had that not been the case. That was evident during the 4th & 5th rounds to my recollection when RJJ FINALLY decided to throw punches and box G. Johnson. And Calzaghe was on-top of his game when he FINALLY grew the balls to fight a badly-faded 39 year-old RJJ several months ago. 10 years ago however, Roy Jones "smokes" Calzaghe.
Personally I think Tarver would have given him severe problems whenever they fought at 175lbs as would a peak Johnson.
I agree that a peak Jones beats Calzaghe by a good margin. Howvever the failiure to fight the top men at 168+175 lbs plus the devastating KOs at 175 mean that Jones will probably be ranked below people like Mayweather, Hopkins, Barrera, Trinidad, possibly Mosely+ De la Hoya.
I suspect Jones would easily outpoint Beyer+Ottke. Michaelczwski would have been a more difficult fight but Jones would have been favoured to win.
Jones would outpoint Benn+Eubank. Benn in particular hated hit+ move boxers (see the Malinga fights)
Jones v McCllenan or Jackson would have been very interesting contests, Jones in against big punchers especially McClennan who had the capacity to knock him out.
I wish Toney had been in better physical condition for the Jones fight in 1994
I think McCllelans set back would be never having gone past 8 rounds, hich was telling against Benn.
Eubank would have been better aginst Roy than Benn too, and they had the chance to fight twice, when they both held the belts at different times and Roy wouldn't fight Chris because Chris refused to give Roy a shot years before.
In any skilled boxer v big puncher confrontation, the boxer has a better chance than the puncher in a long fight.
The question is would Jones be able to avoid or withstand McClennans heavy punches for 8-9 rounds? That would have been a contest.
Jones would easily outpoint or late TKO Eubank. Eubank did not like fighting at a fast pace+ was often trying to conserve energy. He was troubled by Michael Watsons work rate in both fights+ Jones speed endurance would have him gasping for air...
True, the boxer will nearly ALWAYS have an advantage late on and I think Jones would have handled Gerald fairly well.
However, I don't think anyone could compare Jones' workrate to that of Watsons. Watson was a man possessed and I have NEVER seen Jones fight at that pace EVER!
He would more than likely outpoint him though as not even Jones had the power to KO Eubank. Infact, few did.
Watson had good work rate but Jones had superb speed endurance+ superior skill..
A peak Jones could stop Eubank late on.
Eubank had a good chin but never really fought at the very highest level. I didn't consider the WBO ttile in the same category as WBC, WBA, IBF. Eubank's best opponents were Benn Watson, Collins; but I woudn't favour any of them to beat Toney, Hopkins, Jones, Nunn, Macullum etc.
Malinga gave a peak Eubank+ Benn in particular problems but Roy Jones KOd him easily...
Mallinga was a bogey for Benn but Eubank handled him OK and dropped him.
I think you can add Calzaghe, Carl Thompson,Rochigiani and maybe Lindell Holmes to Eubanks resume of world class opposition but maybe only Calzaghe could be classed alongside the names you mentioned.
At middle I see Eubank being too strong for Jones who was still young at the time, but most weights above, I'll give jones a points win, but not stoppage.
Eubank would not have been able to beat Jones at any weight. Jones was much faster more skill+ genetically bigger.Jones did not box that long at middleweight but was good enough to outpoint Bernard Hopkins in 1993 whom Eubank wouldn't have beaten.
If it was the case where was only one World Champion in that era, Eubank in the 1990's would be a top ten fighter possibly top 5 but ranked below men like Jones, Toney, Macllum, Nunn. There is a big difference between number 1- 2 and number 5...
Eubank was a middle/ super middle weight fighter wheras Jones was super middle light heavy.
Jones (1994-1999) would have to have a VERY bad night to lose to Eubank whose best performances were V Benn I + later Wharton.
Eubank would not have beaten Jones, way too fast+ tricky, Nunn, too tall, mobile+ tricky southpaw, Toney, just too good in every dept,, Macllum too complete a defense+ the body punches would wear Eubank down (see Watson fight)
Eubank did not beat anybody of note at light heavy or cruiseweight. Often Weighing 200lbs suggests that he ate too much inbetween fights!
His strength was not as effective against the top men beyond 170lbs.
Eubank woud never have beaten Toney1990-1995. The man that TKOd Nunn, Williams, Barkley etc+ outpointed Macullm would have far too much for Eubank. Eubank was good, top 10, but usually "picked" his opponents + purposely avoided the very best middle+ super middle weights of his era...
James Toney was lucky to beat a peak Michael Nunn? Wow he must have been lucky to beat Macullum and Jirov too.
He was a triple weight world champion holding major belts unlike the WBO.
Watson was a good boxer but soundly TKO'd by Macllum. That fight served as a warning to Benn+ Eubank especially that Macullum was a higher quality of boxer than they were used to fighting.
Generally Benn+ Eubank generally avoided the elite level fighters of their era: Nunn, Toney, Macallum, Hopkins etc..
Iran Barkely, rugged, durable but not in the same class as Nunn, Toney, Macallum, Jones. Barkely notable wins were v Hearns whom he was a "jinx" too. Other than that Barkely lost to every elite level fighter he faced.
Mclennan was an extrenly dangerous figheter + I credit Benn for taking such a dangerous oppoent. The fight signalled the end for both men. Mclennan immediately, Benn faded quickly after that war.
Generally Benn+ especially Eubank avoided elite level WBC, WBA fighters...
get off roy jones' dick, he got knocked out by antonio tarver....an average fighter at best, and glen johnson, who only became a supposed good fighter when he knocked out jones too. you cant use 2 boxers perfomances against a guy to decide who is superior, pavlik,taylor,hopkins fights, by your rationale pavlik should have dominated hopkins right? eubank jones would have been good, it didnt happen, so u can never say. who are you to give these judgements? maybe u should take larry merchants job?
jones was clearly awesome, no doubt but not quite as good as your making out. my point is no-one had any kind of insight on jones' decline, his prime has now become 93-03 in hindsight, which as teddy atlas says is "always 20-20". most boxers have a steady decline right? where over the course of 2,3 maybe 4 fights you can say, yea hes past it now, not as fast, not as powerfull etc etc, yet jones went from one of the top p4p to past it in one fight against tarver? i dont buy that at all.
who was better than tarver, calzaghe obviously, if clinton woods didnt get stage fright on big fights he could have beat tarver and he's not a great fighter, glen "im so good i lost 12 times, nearly 20% of my fights" johnson beat tarver, hopkins beat tarver easily, you were using the performance of jones v malinga and eubank v malinga to point towards jones being better, im saying that because a boxer beats a guy it doesnt mean anything in relation to other fighters. hopkins lost twice to taylor
Joe Calzaghe obviously better than Antonio Tarver? I think not. Calzaghe boxed at 168lbs+ only fought twice at 175lbs once against 43 year old Bernard Hopkins in a fight he was fortunate to get the decsision+ against 39 yr old Roy Jones who was finished as an elite level fighter.
Glen Johnson 12 defeats mainly early in his career when he was overmatched+ got some bad decisions. Johnson 2002 onwards is a world class fighter.
I would favour a peak Hopkins, Jones+ Tarver over Calzaghe...
taylor then lost twice to pavlik, pavlik then got destroyed by hopkins but by your rationale pavlik beats hopkins. styles make fights, what a cliche, but if you love boxing you will be more than aware of it and it fits the above scenario perfectly, jones didnt beat all the top fighters of his era but granted, hopkins toney and mccallum on your cv is hard to argue against, but in no way does that guarantee he beats eubank, or any top fighter for that matter, how can it?
EXACTLY, Jones and Eubank could have fought at 2 stages in their careers but neither of them was too confident of beating the other.
Yanks have no idea about boxing outside their tiny little bubble called the USA.
"ooooooo Jones beat Toney"
HAHAHAHA, Toney was and is a sloth who ANY half decent boxer can beat, christ it took Toney 10 rounds to beat Barkley, LOL, it took Nigel Benn 1 ROUND! LOL.
Eubank beat Benn but the Yanks don't care, cause it happened outside their little bubble.
You seem to have a love affair with British boxers most of whom held the lesser WBO title. There is a reason for that WBO generally has a lesser quality of fighters which is why people like Benn, Calzaghe, Eubank reigned so long. They generally avoided the top ranked WBC/ WBA IBF fighters.
James Toney avergage? IBF world champion at middle, super middle+ cruiserweight, beating THE dominant champion each time eg Nunn, Macallum, ,Jirov.
Calzahe held the lesser WBO belt for 10 years + he held the WBC, WBA belt for about a year or so.Benn was WBC champ for 2-3 years before being beaten.
Since 1970 you had on average 3 British WBA/WBC World Champions per decade: eg Buchnan, Stracey, Conteh; Mcguigan, Minter Honeyghan.
Since the WBO in the 1990s I have lost count of the British fighters who have claimed WBO titles. Is this a coincidence? or are WBO fighters generally lesser quality than WBC WBA, IBF ranked fighters?
Roy Jones was probably th best supermiddlwght of the 1990s. He beat a peak Toney who kod Nunn, Barkely, Williams, Johnson+ who outpointed a master boxer in Macllum. Not bad for a "oh so slow boxer" Macallum a 3 wght champion probably have beaten Eubank+ Benn which is why they didn't want to fight him. Jones also beat Harding, Lucas, Griffin, Woods who all went on to become World Champions. Calzaghe, Collins Benn Eubank, etc don't have the same quality resume of fighters on their records...
Calzaghe often fought fighters who weren't ever elite level or past their best eg Eubank, Reid, Jones@39, Hopkins@ 43, Starie, Brewer+ Mitchell. Lacy was over-rated. Kessler was probably his best win. But Kessler would probably get beaten all day long against a peak Hoplkins, Nunn, Toney, Jones, Macallum etc.
Collins a rugged durable fighter but in all truth was fortunate to get Benn+Eubank at the end of the careers worn down by age+ ring wars especially Benn.
calzaghe was 36 when he fought hopkins and jones, jones is not as good, but hes not shot, look at his last two fights, didnt freddy roach say hopkins at 40 would beat hopkins at 30 or something to that effect? then he beat pavlik in his next fight, how was he past his best vs calzaghe then suddenly beat the shit out of pavlik? at the end of the day if calzaghe and eubank were american and jones, and the other 4 u love mentioning were british ,your opinion would be the polar opposite. admit it.
Most elite boxers are in decline by age 35+ a world class boxer in his 40's is very rare. Hopkins was a late starter but has kept himself very fit+ is very good defensively. However he is clearly not the fighter he was. He struggles to maintain a fast pace, eg v Taylor+ work rate saved Calzaghe in a fight he was fotunate to get the decision.
Pavliks big mistake was to fight at a slow pace which suited crafty Hopkins.
Jones pro for 20 yrs , has been finished at the elite level since 2003
massive overuse of the word "elite" on this page, if what your saying is true then calzaghe was in decline also! why is it everytime you are basically insinuating calzaghe was at his peak when he wasnt, watch the lacy v calzaghe fight, then watch kessler v calzaghe, hes clearly slower v kessler and that was 2007! before the hopkins and jones fights. so if hopkins had been defeated 4 times before getting beat by calzaghe, yet compubox numbers say hopkins was hit more times than in any other fight
Elite in thise sense broadly means top 5 in the world. Possibly top 10 if the divsision is particualrly strong.
Ca;zaghe may not have been at his peak by 2006 but he wasn't in marked decline as Roy Jones has been since 2003 and he was not forty something like Bernard
Hopkins who is still good but clearly not the man who hammered Trinidad, Joppy, De La Hoya to name but a few.
Kessler was a much more athletic + overall better fighter than Lacey + therefore posed more problems for Calzaghe.
my point is calzaghe is overrated and has fought 3 legit people in his career two of which are ovah da hill. calzaghe can't batter anyone since da nigga throws slaps, and he didn't own Kessler he won da fight 7-5 that's hardly an ass whooping u gullible ass nigga. get off joe's dick he's an okay fighter but far from da best, he's da wales version of sven ottke which means a fraud wid a padded record.
how can someone fight 3 "legit" fighters and be a fraud at the same time? bit of a contradiction there fella. think jeff lacy accused calzaghe of slapping until he got his face slapped around for 12 rounds...., kessler fight scorecard: 117-111 116-112 116-112. that my friend is an "ass whooping" by anyones standards. the fact you can even compare him to sven ottke proves you know fuck all. dat iz da truth homie bbrrrrraaat ha ha ha
the dude has 46 fights and fought 3 people who are good enough to mention, 2 of which he ducked for a decade until they got old as fuck.Think what u want about Calzaghe,da fact is he ain't as great as his douchebag fans make him out to be.I had da fight wid Kessler 115-113 for Calzaghe and that ain't an asswhooping I don't care what da hometown judges had it.sven ottke is an obvious comparison cause da nigga sat in his backyard his whole career fightin nobodies, just like Calzaghe did. OVERRATED
jones, kessler, hopkins, lacy, eubank, thats 5 off the cuff. hopkins ducked joe in 2002, get your facts right, do some research. Who the fuck cares how you had the fight mate!! harold lederman had it 117-111 and unlike you he knows a little bit about boxing.hate all you want on calzaghe, fact is he is the best at 168 in history and one of the top 10 fighters of his era. kessler isnt a nobody, you said it yourself. your contradicting yourself again fella. RETARD
dis is why i don't talk boxing on youtube, because block-headed faggot niggas like you say the stupidest shit and get away w/ it. Calzaghe is da greatest of all time you right, we are all blessed to see him fight. i'm out, now put yo hand back on your dick and get out da calzaghe photos.
yo yo yo, here did, dis is y i not be talking with retarded gangsta wannabes on utube for shizzle cos dey talk bulshit and type lik dey cant speek english homie dat iz da truth dog, im out yo stick ta slingin rock in da rough streetz yo, hahahahaha fuck off you retard, learn english.
how does that make him fortunate to get the decision? he was fortunate to get a decision in the corrupt world of american boxing judging yes, but he won the fight, it was close granted. and hopkins never maintained a fast pace, he always been a boring defensive fighter, taylor being the exeption,
Calzaghe was fortunate because he was heavily floored cut+ technically posed few problems for Hopkins for the first half of the fight. The decision could easily have gone the other way, eg Duke McKenzie thought Hopkins won it. Afterwards Calzaghes bruises+ cuts contrasted with the unmarked Hopkins.
Hopkins fit strong clever but very effective defensive fighter which is one of the reasons he has lasted so long at the elite level.
Honestly, would have Calzaghe beaten him 5 years ago??..
Corrupt world of American judging? I think American judges are least corrupt compared to over seas judges often, if not all the time giving their fighter a home town decision.
No shit, lol. Judging from your choice of a match that happened recently i'm guessing that you're just a kid that just started watching boxing. I would understand if you said Chavez and Whitaker. But come on, there's been numerous over seas hometown decisions. Hatton Lazano, John Marquez, numerous home town decisions in Japan, Indonesia, the UK, Mexico, Aregentina, etc.
yeah mate, im a fuckin 12 year old who started watching boxing at the weekend then started posting on youtube....is it not entirely more relevant being so recent? rather than you using an example from the 90's? john v jmm yeah fair one, but i wouldnt have included the far east because you take that kind of thing for granted, but america being the biggest boxing nation and under such media scrutiny you would expect this kind of thing to have been eradicated by now. when it quite clearly hasnt
id put germany in the pot along with any country which isnt big on boxing, the UK is big on boxing to some extent, i would like to think we are the most impartial in this way, more than welcome to correct me if im wrong but i cannot think off the top of my head of any real real bad decisions in recent uk boxing histtory, hatton lazcano? come on man, theres plenty of unofficial scorecards that gave that as a whitewash, again i cant think off the cuff how i had it but i know it was a clear victory
who overrated lacy? the same people who are on here bleating about jones, hopkins etc etc, if lacy had never fought calzaghe you would be on here saying lacy would have knocked him out, why? cos lacy is american and calzaghe isnt.
Lacey was over hyped on the basis of TKO Robin Reid who was not an elite level fighter anyway.
Prior to that Laceys only name opponenents were Omar Sheikh+ Syd Vanderpool. He had a single left hook+ that was it. Calzaghe exposed his many limitations+ what has Lacey done since? lost to every name oppoent he has faced, including a well worn Roy Jones.
Calzaghe's best win was v Kessler. Calzaghe was a good boxer but I put him below Nunn, Macllum, Toney, Jones, Hopkins, Dawson, Tarver...
elite elite elite zzzzzzz. is the word elite latin for american or something? lacy was never the same after the pounding he took from calzaghe, thats the main reason hes been even more shit since, he had his fighting soul destroyed that night. calzaghe below dawson? wtf has dawson done compared to calzaghe? he got a very dodgy decision over glen "im so good i lost 12 times" johnson for fuck sake LOL. below tarver.......i think that statement kind of ends this as a realistic discussion
I doubt if Joe Calzaghe was being honest even HE wouldn't put himself above all of those guys. Good boxer top 10, probably top 5 of his time but I would back every one of those men you have named there to beat him at anywhere near their peak conditions. Calzaghe would have done well to come through Eubank, Benn, Collins+ Watson much less THE very best supermiddleweights since the division began...
It's shit what happened in the Tarver fight, you'd have thought he could have done it. Then again, fighting Glen Johnson repeatedly must take a lot out of you... just ask Roy Jones!
he doesnt trust foreign judges because roy jones jr. was cheated out of a gold medal, you dumb ass, it happens all the time...all judges have some sort of bias about a fight before it happens
What a guy whos been beaten twice by tarver? yeah right.. did you see tarver vs woods? tarver is bad and even he can beat jones so calzaghe will do a number on him that you can take to the bank
Woods..please stay out of the U.S. you just keep wasting us airtime, they could have played a re-run of american idol and it would have been more exciting.
I've met Clinton Woods in Orlando airport, when I was going on holiday and he was waiting to get his passport checked, and I dint really know who he was at first then we got talking and I asked "So then why are you coming to america?" he replied I'm fighting that guy out of "Rocky(Antonio Tarver)",in Tampa bay.So me and my family went to go watch him fight and it was great. Then funny enough we sore him again going home and he signed and gave me his gloves which I still have today <3.
brandonbassboi 21 hours ago
great example of a trainer protecting his fighter.
raxmanbox 6 months ago
THIS IS ROY JONES, JR! Forgot about 2004 - Present. This is the true Roy Jones...
mmcneil777 8 months ago
damn, roy's my man, he was suppose to fight tarver instead of woods, but he chose woods, im so sure he would did tarver the same way at this time, moved up to beat ruiz and retired on top like his gut feeling told him to,
rawextreme101 9 months ago
Look at that black lady @ 1:27 on the left sitting ringside, putting the paper to her face so the sweat from woods getting his head bashed wouldn't get on her LMAO
jgutter34 9 months ago
"You better believe it Larry"....
jgutter34 9 months ago
@1fourtheheap excuse me,but who the fuck r u to tell me anything?? calzaghe was undefeated throughtout his career .so called legends like jones jnr and hopkins avoided him like the plague until they needed a payday,and both got spanked.. not sure calzaghe could have beaten jones jnr in his prime but he always had and always would have bhops number,hence the big mouth black racist ran until he wanted some cash and a slap,and he duly got both..lol
jayem071 11 months ago
In fairness to RJs' record: His dad was his manager, cornerman, and handled the promoting of his son. It wasn't until he got Merc in his corner, the Levins to take care of the business and promoting that he really got better opponents and bigger checks.
eazilyiapproach 1 year ago
you cant compare Jones to Calzaghe.
Jones in his prime was just a different class. I wish he had retired after Ruiz as he would then be regarded right up there.
Calzaghe made most of his talent and managed his fights to perfection. A bit like Naz Hammed, who fought one prime fighter and we know what happened. I genuinely believe Hamed thought he was getting a washed up Barrera. Calzaghe thought great fighters- but at the wroong time for them.
Hitchcock10 1 year ago
you cant compare Jones to Calzaghe.
Jones in his prime was just a different class. I wish he had retired after Ruiz as he would then be regarded right up there.
Calzaghe made most of limited talent and managed his fights to perfection. A bit like Naz Hammed, who fought one prime fighter and we know what happened. I genuinely believe Hamed thought he was getting a washed up Barrera. Calzaghe thought great fighters- but at the wroong time for them.
Hitchcock10 1 year ago
Jones has the most padded record ever first 21 fights against complete bums and only hopkins and Toney till fight 48 and just 10 months before the Calzaghe fight he fought Trinidad abd won and all the yank press was fawning over him agian then Calzaghe made him look silly.
dsh301 1 year ago
Jones has the most padded record ever first 21 fights against complete bums and only hopkins and Toney till fight 48 and just 10 months before the Calzaghe fight he fought Trinidad abd won and all the yank press was fawning over him agian the Calzaghe made him look silly.
dsh301 1 year ago
@dsh301 Jones was totally past it. He fought the best fighters, Woods was a tough operator who was the mandatory challenger and Jones literally walked through him.
bigdunk9 1 year ago
@bigdunk9 Name the great fighters he fought in his 1st 21 fights. And only fought BHop and Toney who I would say on his record were great boxers he didnt fight Calzaghe early in there careers as Jones was moving between weights.
Ps I'm not saying Jones isn't any good just think that some people arguments that Calzaghe dodged him are completely unfounded and that every Boxer gets padded fights.
dsh301 1 year ago
@dsh301 No boxer fights anybody noteworthy in their first 20 or so fights. They need to gain experience by fighting durable, yet limited journeymen. It pretty much goes without saying. Jones always fought mandatory challengers, not only did he fight them he completely anihilated them. Calzaghe didn't seem to set on fighting him in his prime to be fair, and I don't blame him. Jones has fell a long way since then though. Jones is one of the top 10 P4P ever IMO, based on natural skill.
bigdunk9 1 year ago
@bigdunk9 But you could say same as as Jones he never actively per sued Calzaghe either. Joe fought mandatory challangers aswell and even had a fight with Bhop on the go until Bhop changed his financial demands at the last minute.
I'm not Rubbishing Jones trying to point out the the similarities between his and Calzaghe's fighting records. The only difference is that Joe retired before his punch resistance and reflexes had gone.
dsh301 1 year ago
@dsh301 Good to see British people are still delusional about their boxers.
rizwanakhalil 1 month ago
Calzaghe obviously was protecting his undefeated record by retiring without facing Chad Dawon, but I don't blame him. Joe was at the end of his career while Dawson was in his own prime years. Losing to Dawson would've hurt Joe's legacy. It's better to retire one fight too soon than one fight too late, in my opinion.
comedicstuff 1 year ago 3
Sven Ottke is not overrated, nor is he underrated. He doesn't rate at all. He did nothing spectacular his whole career. He quietly retired without losing. Whoop-de-doo.
comedicstuff 1 year ago 2
@comedicstuff Sven Ottke beat, Chris Byrd, Micheal Moorer & Antonio Tarver in the Amatuers. He was a top boxer, but very defensive..
dan32113 1 year ago
I listened to Clinton Woods talk about this fight while he was having his hair cut in my friends shop. He said he felt confident before the fight, but in the ring with Jones, he said how hard it was. A totally honest, modest bloke with a chin like a brick wall & a heart the size of a rhino! A credit to Sheffield & boxing.
harvland1 2 years ago 13
@harvland1 Agreed! Woods' chin was more than granite...
simondgrass 1 year ago 2
Calzaghe had superb timing...fought Jones at the right time. Lucky bastard...Calzaghe had something that most European fighters don't have.....movement!! His legacy has been tarnished....should've fought Dawson to make good on those skills.
brotherhood302 2 years ago
Dawson was worth shit all when Joe fought Jones and was VERY lucky not to be KO'd by Glen Johnson.
Dawson's shit and will be REALLY exposed eventually.
He has NOTHING on Joe and thats just a plain fact.
imperialpod 2 years ago
Who the fuck is Joe?...lol, what the fuck are you talking about?...comprehend what you type before you send it...you sound like a douche!! You don't know shit until it happens!!
brotherhood302 2 years ago
Shut up noob.
Joe = LEGEND......u stupid bigmouth fool.
imperialpod 2 years ago
Stop leaving your limy period blood droppings all over the page!! Joe quit on you...what a legend, a legend who didn't fight anybody really good in their prime!! Legacy denied!!!
brotherhood302 2 years ago 3
@brotherhood302 = MUG!!
jayem071 1 year ago
@brotherhood302 Who the fuck r u more like,..?U stupid fucking imbecile,what u know about boxing or probably anything else for that matter could be written on posage stamp with a spray can, u complete prick.
jayem071 1 year ago
but a prime jones would beat them all, name them..calzaghe, hopkins toney, woods,
ryanrama21 2 years ago 2
Woods is hard as nails and great heart: he was a legit champ and his win over Glen Johnson was great. But he wasn't especially talented: Jones was at his peak in this fight. But Cloud didn't punish Woods: a younger Woods would have prob. beaten Cloud.
As for Calzaghe, he's a different class - a true, true great: absolutely humiliated Jones. One of the greatest fighters of all time.
Btw Jones was a coward, always ducked the best fighters, from Benn, Eubank and Collins to Dariusz Michalczewski.
gulf177 2 years ago
James Toney?
bigdunk9 2 years ago
James 'tits out' Toney was taylor made for Roid Jones, always was, always will be.
Toney too pedestrian to be effective, liked to play with people and dissect them, sucker em in. That was NEVER gonna happen with Roid.
Benn on the other hand...............the complete opposite. He woulda hunted down that chin of Roids and most importantly, LANDED.
imperialpod 2 years ago
Benn would never have landed on a prime RJJ! He would've been outboxed for 12 rounds.
bigdunk9 2 years ago
benn himself had massive respect for Roy and u sound more sure then benn did lmao
siphersniper 1 year ago
@imperialpod Hahahahaha! "James 'tits out Toney'!!!" That got me!
simondgrass 1 year ago
so wat u calling hopkins, toney, virgil hill and so on poor fighters, a was their in newcastle when reid kicked the fuck out of calzaghe and got robbed and who the fuck did calzaghe fight no body until he fought to great fighters who were old and passed their best, jones would of killed him in his prime but the little welsh fucker was to scared to leave that shit hole t fight anyone, jones is a hall of famer at his best top five pound for pound fighters ever and a no my boxing
KONG00000001 2 years ago
Calzaghe is massively overrated by British fans. If he was as good as they all said he was they'd care much more about him in the States, but they don't. I have more respect for Hatton than Calzaghe, theres a reason he wasn't ever a major factor in the P4P rankings, it's a very pretty record, sadly he never beat anybody of any real worth.
SeanRodrieguez 2 years ago
That's a weak TKO. He wasn't close to going down.
This fight and the Cloud fight look almost identical, I was watching them on two screens and they almost looked like the same fight.
leftydan6 2 years ago
Yes it looks like the Cloud fight... if Cloud was about a hundred times better with his accuracy and his defense.
tafari127 2 years ago 2
yea cloud fought nothing like this, neither fights were close but at least woods v cloud was competitive, only reason it was a tko was corner stoppage anyway, was annoying in the cloud fight when they kept mentioning that this was the only time woods was stopped when it was a corner retirement, woods could have lasted the distance but he was losing badly and there was no need to for him to take 6 more rounds of punishment. think thats is for woods now though after saturday
snaggsbish 2 years ago
I was watching them on a split screen. They LOOKED identical, the way Woods was cowering, the way Jones/Cloud were punishing him, even the way they moved around the ring. I didn't say that Cloud and Jones were identical, just that the fights themselves were aesthetically quite similar.
But you gotta admit that Woods is TOUGH. Not too many men can take that kind of punishment and still be standing. Jones couldn't knock him down, Cloud coudn't. I'm not too sure if any Lt Hvy guys can.
leftydan6 2 years ago
i dont get why you would watch them on a split screen? woods wasnt winning v cloud but he wasnt being punished by any means, he was v jones hence the towel. i cant see the comparison myself but thats your opinion. yea woods has got a beast of a chin and a massive heart, just a shame he could never perform when he really needed to jones, tarver, cloud. he said b4 the fight he was gonna retire if he lost so think thats the last were gonna see of old clinton unfortunately
snaggsbish 2 years ago
It looked like Clinton was taking alot of punishment against cloud to me. I was proud of him for finishing on his feet, but I was disappointed that he lost. By the way, leftydan is wrong, Woods didn't cower, he's too good of a pro for that, but he's right that Woods is one tough customer.
xplund 2 years ago
Woods is a tough ass dude, every shot he took from Cloud he let him know it couldn't hurt him. Then he got wobbled in tha 8th but stayed up..gotta giv him tha horns for that ( )
DaYoungWayne101 2 years ago 3
That's what I was saying. Woods has some serious heart. Cloud wobbled him more than Jones did, and nobody could knock him down!
leftydan6 2 years ago
but there is alot to say about calzaghe, for some reason these british fighters lack alot of technical skillz and they dont fight the elite fighters until their mid careers, when they finally have enough draw to attract the elite fighters, they are either past their prime or somewhat vulnerable, only when they actually fight someone who isnt washed up can everyone see the truth....hatton met pacquioa, and if calzaghe would have faced dawson we would see the truth about him also
gonchito1 2 years ago
he had more stamina in this fight than he did for even the first round of the calzaghe and 1st tarver fight. dont be delusional and say he is the same or anywhere close, look at his workouts look at the akwardness in his footwork after he moved back down, he couldnt even knock out an overpowered, outspeeded and out boxed felix trinidad...after being able to hurt a full fledge heavyweight....there isn t any need to argue over this anymore because its just talk
gonchito1 2 years ago
look all these fighters are human, they get old and lose attributes after making huge sacrifices, but none of these guys would of beat jones and his prime, with his footspeed, handspeed, reflexes...were not going to talk about record, because roy jones was not in any danger of losing a fight before he went up and came back down from heavyweight....in none of the fights roy had after moving back down did he have anywhere near the stamina, speed awareness or durability he had before
gonchito1 2 years ago
Even for the fight against Calzaghe but the fact is. Since he lost to Tarver he hasnt fought like he did in his prime. Hell, You could see it in his fights with Hanshaw and Ajamu. He was scared of getting KOd.
tacoandbeer 2 years ago 2
Jones beat Hopkins, Toney, McCallum, Griffin, Gonzalez, Woods, Hopkins, Tarver. Now compare that with who Calzaghe and Ottke beat and youll see what I mean. BTW, I never said Jones went from p4p to 1 to past it in one fight. What I was TRYING to tell you is that after the Ruiz fight he lost 25 lbs on muscle coming down from HW. And then he got knocked out. Which has a huge mental effect on a fighter especially when theyve been dominating their whole career. Jones was still a top fighter
tacoandbeer 2 years ago
Thats why I dont consider Ottke and Calzaghe to be legends. Neither of them fought any one world class fighter that was in his prime. Calzaghe beat a massively over hyped Lacy and a 44 year old Hopkins and 40 year old Jones. Ottke beat some decent fighters but got dodgy decisions and like I said not against any real world class fighters. Thats why Jones and Hopkins ARE legends. Thyeve fought the best and dominated for years. Hopkins beat Pavlik, Winky, Tarver, Trinidad, Johnson, De La Hoya
tacoandbeer 2 years ago
Dude, Calzaghe beat Jones when he was 3-3 in his last 6 and had been KOd twice. IF Jones never had a chin then he wouldnt have beat Hopkins, Toney and Tarver. But the FACT of the matter is that RJJ was past it when Calzaghe fought him. The same was as Eubank was past it when Calzaghe beat him.
tacoandbeer 2 years ago 2
i agree jones was past his prime when he fought calzaghe but calzaghe was too, hes nowhere near as quick as he was even in 2005 and i think he was only down once in whole career b4 bhop n jones,and those punches esp the jones one would never have dropped him a few years ago.bhop jones was tactical, jones toney was over quick and he just edged out tarver...who then knocked him out, i honestly cant think of anytime jones has been tagged well b4 tarver, first time his chin was tested he got kod....
snaggsbish 2 years ago
Come on man. Calzaghe wasnt past it. Jones and B-Hop were his biggest wins and they came in his prime. Jones only got dropped once before Tarver and by then he was past his prime (even the first fight) and bear in mind he had came down from HW for the fights with Tarver. So thats 25 lbs of solid muscle he lost. So thats BOUND to drain him. He never got caught because he was so quick. But please dont try and act like Jones isnt a legend because he is. Winning every fight doesnt make a legend
tacoandbeer 2 years ago
Sorry chump but boxing legends exist outside the states, I know, its hard to believe there are other countries outside the states to you Yanks but, there are.
CHRIS EUBANK was the biggest win on Calzaghes record, followed then by Lacy, Kessler,Hopkins and then Jones.
NONE of them take presidence over the other.
imperialpod 2 years ago
I think a prime Roy Jones beats anyone at Light-Heavy. All you have to do is look what he did to Clinton Woods who has beaten Glen Johnson and Julio Gonzalez twice. Roy beat the crap out of Clinton and Woods is a top LHW. Jones was on another level to the likes of Woods, Gonzalez, Eubank.
tacoandbeer 2 years ago
Roy Jones wouldve destroyed Beyer. As for Ottke and Calzaghe well they didnt want to fight anyone good. They were too concerned on protecting their unbeaten records. Jones beat everyone there was for him to beat at Light Heavy. He also won pretty much all the titles at that weight (WBC, WBA, IBF, IBO, WBF, IBA NBA all at the same time) so he beat everyone who was there to beat. Glen Johnson is a good, tough fighter but he got wrecked by Hopkins. Jones would have beaten him up in his prime.
tacoandbeer 2 years ago
how on earth can you but ottke in the same sentance as calzaghe? everyone knows ottke was a fraud, if jones was so much better than calzaghe why did he get demolished? even if he was past his prime if he was so good it would have been close. the johnson fight was 2 years after this fight, your telling me jones went from top 10 p4p to totally shot in 2 years?? he got knocked out cold just 1 year after this fight! jones lost some speed and reflexes over time, but he never had a chin, ask tarver...
snaggsbish 2 years ago
clinton is better then slappy joe atlest he fought jones 8 years ago he the gutts to do it even he lost sheffield boxing centre rules
shazboxer 2 years ago
Jones is old now and should retire. He was the one of the greatest P4P fighteres in the world but age will catch up and it did.
M4NGO2K 2 years ago
fastest fighter ever. maybe sugar ray leanard but he didn have the power jones did. nobody even came close to fighting him. after 1995 nobody wanted to fight him. scared. just look at him fight you couldn pay me enough to fight him. name 2 fighter that could beat jones during our time... i'll wait..... exacly cant think of anybody cant ya. to good. to smart. to powerful. to fast. to clever.
greatest of the last 30-40 years bar none. the next best thing is bhop then money may.
disyaboij123 2 years ago
Calzaghe!
optim23 2 years ago
mm yea but where was glen johnson and tarver and calzaghe in his prime.. hidding. if jones wouldn of went up to heavyweight tarver would of been his next opponent. and look how he was right there. still the best. he would of never lost if he stayed at light heavy. tarver would of been k.o'd easily in 5 rounds if they fought if he wouldn of went up. same as glen. he is like top 10 all time. middlewight lightheavy and heavyweight champ? aint nobody done that.
disyaboij123 2 years ago
Jones was most dominant at super middle. It is a shame he didn't fight Michaelczswki, Beyer, Ottke, Calzaghe, McClennan or Toney (again). A rematch with Hopkins who improved considerably from the 1993 fight would have been interesting.
Personally I think Tarver+ Johnson would have given Roy Jones problems at light heavy regardless of when they thought. They were skilled fighters+ naturally bigger stronger men than Jones, who apart from Lou De Valle didn't box many good light heavy weights..
07091102 2 years ago
I wish someone would post this whole fight up. It was one of his best fights
TermiteAssassin1 2 years ago
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Roy Jones will always be fondly remembered as Calzaghe's bitch.
radabminj 3 years ago
What year was this? i dont really know that much about Woods so didnt realise that he had fought Jones jr
Partoftheratpack 3 years ago
Roy Jones Pound for Pound King (1994-2004) at his awesome, brilliant best dispatching a sturdy, future world champion whom has never been stopped, before or since. I'm from the UK and it was aired on terrestrial (free) TV- the BBC and EVERYONE waxed lyrical about how amazing Jones was then, its a shame that lesser boxers caught him at the right time and got victories over him. But that doesn't take away from his status as a LEGEND :-D
ishi2k8 3 years ago 4
Absolutely correct.
mburrell23 2 years ago
The last good performance by Jones at light heavy. Correct me if I am wrong but after this didn't he then go up to heavyweight to fight Ruiz?
Ruiz was the weakest of the champions+ was poor on the night, but after that fight Jones shed weight to meet Tarver at 175lbs + looked weight weakened. He got a lucky decision in the first fight + was badly knocked out in the second. He was never the same fighter after that. The Jones who fought Calzaghe is a pale imitation of the man we see on the clip
07091102 3 years ago
I agree. But despite Jones being weaker after shedding 20 pounds of beef to fight Tarver in the 1st fight; Jones FINALLY had to dig deep and pull out the victory in those "championship" rounds, 9-12. Tarver tried to steal rounds by flurrying in the last 30 seconds of some of those rounds. But Roy Jones owned Tarver in the middle of the ring; especially with those body-shots.
mburrell23 2 years ago
I would have to watch the Jones v Ratrver fight again. I thought Jones was VERY lucky to get the decision.
My recollection of the fight was Jones threw few punches: single jab, single hook, no combinations, the occasional straight right which Tarver blocked fairly easily. Tarver threw and appeared to land far more punches.
This fight was the beginning of the end for Roy Jones. It was the last time he beat a world class fighter+ he later suffered heavy knockouts that damaged his legacy..
07091102 2 years ago
RJJ suffering bad KO losses much past his prime doesn't damage his legacy at all. I fighter's legacy is based on what he's done in the prime and height of his career. Those bad losses don't override the awesome body work he's done over 50 fights, as opposed to 3 or 4 bad losses that were past his prime.
If that was the case, every other great fighter in boxing history would "damage" legacies as you put it.
mburrell23 2 years ago
After the crushing defeats Many people may now re-evaluate their previous opinion on Roy Jones. He may now be regarded as a fast moving fancy dan boxer who would fold when put under severe pressure against top level fighters. He had just two major wins v against a developing Hopkins+ an out of condition Toney. They may say that he didn't beat the best fighters around eg Ottke, Michaelczski, Beyer, Calzaghe. They may say when he finally fought very good men eg Johnson, Tarver he was badly KO'd..
07091102 2 years ago
Although RJJ probably should've fought some of those tougher opponents in his prime, my opinion still stands as is. Don't forget he beat Tarver the first time around after dumping 20 pounds of beef as a one-time heavyweight, and basically fought Tarver on 'fumes' and beat him. Calzaghe stated years ago that he wanted no part of RJJ at super-middle or light-heavy. As for the Johnson loss, RJJ clearly hadn't recovered mentally from the Tarver loss and it showed badly in the Johnson fight.
mburrell23 2 years ago
RJJ clearly would've out-classed and outboxed Johnson had that not been the case. That was evident during the 4th & 5th rounds to my recollection when RJJ FINALLY decided to throw punches and box G. Johnson. And Calzaghe was on-top of his game when he FINALLY grew the balls to fight a badly-faded 39 year-old RJJ several months ago. 10 years ago however, Roy Jones "smokes" Calzaghe.
The Great Roy Jones, Jr.
mburrell23 2 years ago
Roy Jones will be classed as a great fighter.
Personally I think Tarver would have given him severe problems whenever they fought at 175lbs as would a peak Johnson.
I agree that a peak Jones beats Calzaghe by a good margin. Howvever the failiure to fight the top men at 168+175 lbs plus the devastating KOs at 175 mean that Jones will probably be ranked below people like Mayweather, Hopkins, Barrera, Trinidad, possibly Mosely+ De la Hoya.
Oh, and there is the issue of the steroids..
07091102 2 years ago
Steroids AND the fact he never won or defended a title outside his own back yard loses points for Roy as a Hall of Famer!
imperialpod 2 years ago
At Jones' prime Ottke and Beyer were no one.
Benn,Eubank,Toney,McClellan and Jackson were better opponents for a prime Jones!
imperialpod 2 years ago
I suspect Jones would easily outpoint Beyer+Ottke. Michaelczwski would have been a more difficult fight but Jones would have been favoured to win.
Jones would outpoint Benn+Eubank. Benn in particular hated hit+ move boxers (see the Malinga fights)
Jones v McCllenan or Jackson would have been very interesting contests, Jones in against big punchers especially McClennan who had the capacity to knock him out.
I wish Toney had been in better physical condition for the Jones fight in 1994
07091102 2 years ago
Agree with you there.
I think McCllelans set back would be never having gone past 8 rounds, hich was telling against Benn.
Eubank would have been better aginst Roy than Benn too, and they had the chance to fight twice, when they both held the belts at different times and Roy wouldn't fight Chris because Chris refused to give Roy a shot years before.
Stylisticly, it could have been a great fight!
imperialpod 2 years ago
In any skilled boxer v big puncher confrontation, the boxer has a better chance than the puncher in a long fight.
The question is would Jones be able to avoid or withstand McClennans heavy punches for 8-9 rounds? That would have been a contest.
Jones would easily outpoint or late TKO Eubank. Eubank did not like fighting at a fast pace+ was often trying to conserve energy. He was troubled by Michael Watsons work rate in both fights+ Jones speed endurance would have him gasping for air...
07091102 2 years ago
True, the boxer will nearly ALWAYS have an advantage late on and I think Jones would have handled Gerald fairly well.
However, I don't think anyone could compare Jones' workrate to that of Watsons. Watson was a man possessed and I have NEVER seen Jones fight at that pace EVER!
He would more than likely outpoint him though as not even Jones had the power to KO Eubank. Infact, few did.
imperialpod 2 years ago
Watson had good work rate but Jones had superb speed endurance+ superior skill..
A peak Jones could stop Eubank late on.
Eubank had a good chin but never really fought at the very highest level. I didn't consider the WBO ttile in the same category as WBC, WBA, IBF. Eubank's best opponents were Benn Watson, Collins; but I woudn't favour any of them to beat Toney, Hopkins, Jones, Nunn, Macullum etc.
Malinga gave a peak Eubank+ Benn in particular problems but Roy Jones KOd him easily...
07091102 2 years ago
Mallinga was a bogey for Benn but Eubank handled him OK and dropped him.
I think you can add Calzaghe, Carl Thompson,Rochigiani and maybe Lindell Holmes to Eubanks resume of world class opposition but maybe only Calzaghe could be classed alongside the names you mentioned.
At middle I see Eubank being too strong for Jones who was still young at the time, but most weights above, I'll give jones a points win, but not stoppage.
imperialpod 2 years ago
Eubank would not have been able to beat Jones at any weight. Jones was much faster more skill+ genetically bigger.Jones did not box that long at middleweight but was good enough to outpoint Bernard Hopkins in 1993 whom Eubank wouldn't have beaten.
If it was the case where was only one World Champion in that era, Eubank in the 1990's would be a top ten fighter possibly top 5 but ranked below men like Jones, Toney, Macllum, Nunn. There is a big difference between number 1- 2 and number 5...
07091102 2 years ago
Rochigiani was a 2 time world champ and a low-mid level world class fighter.
I really don't think Jones is physically bigger than Eubank, but he is superior in skills and speed but,DEFINATELY not the chin department.
Chris lost his fre after beating Benn as he really was only in it for the cash.,whereas Jones also wanted glory, as did Toney.
But, as I said before, if any of those guys you mention was off form and Eubank wasn't, Eubank takes ALL OF THEM.
imperialpod 2 years ago
Jones had a bigger body frame than Eubank.
Eubank was a middle/ super middle weight fighter wheras Jones was super middle light heavy.
Jones (1994-1999) would have to have a VERY bad night to lose to Eubank whose best performances were V Benn I + later Wharton.
Eubank would not have beaten Jones, way too fast+ tricky, Nunn, too tall, mobile+ tricky southpaw, Toney, just too good in every dept,, Macllum too complete a defense+ the body punches would wear Eubank down (see Watson fight)
07091102 2 years ago
Eubank fought at Cruiser weight and naturally weighs over 200 pounds.
He was more than big enough for Jones, but no where near as fast, but he could punch too and that could trouble Jones.
McCallum on his day was too clever for Chris but Toney vs Eubank nearly and should have happened.
Toney,like Eubank, had some poor performances getting his ass whipped by Nunn and also taking 10 rounds to deal with Barkley.
Benn took Barkly in 1 so Toney could be lazy, which would suit Eubank!
imperialpod 2 years ago
Eubank did not beat anybody of note at light heavy or cruiseweight. Often Weighing 200lbs suggests that he ate too much inbetween fights!
His strength was not as effective against the top men beyond 170lbs.
Eubank woud never have beaten Toney1990-1995. The man that TKOd Nunn, Williams, Barkley etc+ outpointed Macullm would have far too much for Eubank. Eubank was good, top 10, but usually "picked" his opponents + purposely avoided the very best middle+ super middle weights of his era...
07091102 2 years ago
HAHAH, ANOTHER IDIOT.
Eubank beat Benn and Watson, fool, the same Benn that destroyed Barkley in ONE ROUND and a better Watson who beat Benn in 6, LOL.
Toney took 10 to beat a washed up Barkley LOL, Toney was a bum and VERY lucky against Nunn.
Eubank would have made SLOW Toney eat his own, fat ass.
Watson went 11 rounds against a PRIME McCallum going into the ring with a broken nose, the flu and a year out of the ring.
Toney was a bum and still is.
Eubank owns him Yank.
imperialpod 2 years ago
James Toney was lucky to beat a peak Michael Nunn? Wow he must have been lucky to beat Macullum and Jirov too.
He was a triple weight world champion holding major belts unlike the WBO.
Watson was a good boxer but soundly TKO'd by Macllum. That fight served as a warning to Benn+ Eubank especially that Macullum was a higher quality of boxer than they were used to fighting.
Generally Benn+ Eubank generally avoided the elite level fighters of their era: Nunn, Toney, Macallum, Hopkins etc..
07091102 2 years ago
Sure like Benn avoided Barkley, 3 TIME WORLD CHAMPION.
Benn avoided McClellan, World Middleweight Champion.
Benn avoided Chris Eubank, 2 time WBO champion undefeated in 40 fights.
Once again your facts are quite amaturish.
imperialpod 2 years ago
Iran Barkely, rugged, durable but not in the same class as Nunn, Toney, Macallum, Jones. Barkely notable wins were v Hearns whom he was a "jinx" too. Other than that Barkely lost to every elite level fighter he faced.
Mclennan was an extrenly dangerous figheter + I credit Benn for taking such a dangerous oppoent. The fight signalled the end for both men. Mclennan immediately, Benn faded quickly after that war.
Generally Benn+ especially Eubank avoided elite level WBC, WBA fighters...
07091102 2 years ago
get off roy jones' dick, he got knocked out by antonio tarver....an average fighter at best, and glen johnson, who only became a supposed good fighter when he knocked out jones too. you cant use 2 boxers perfomances against a guy to decide who is superior, pavlik,taylor,hopkins fights, by your rationale pavlik should have dominated hopkins right? eubank jones would have been good, it didnt happen, so u can never say. who are you to give these judgements? maybe u should take larry merchants job?
snaggsbish 2 years ago
I am just giving my humble opinion on a sport I love.
Who was better than Roy Jones 1993-2003 at 168-175lbs? he beat most of the best fighters out there with ease.
Antonio Tarver was average at best? Who was better?
I would hate to hear your opinion of fighters outside of the world top 5 ranking!
Tarver was a very good light heavy as was Glen Johnson.
Pavlik was expected to beat Hopkins by virtue of his youth. A younger Hopkins would have probably beaten him even easier than he did...
07091102 2 years ago
jones was clearly awesome, no doubt but not quite as good as your making out. my point is no-one had any kind of insight on jones' decline, his prime has now become 93-03 in hindsight, which as teddy atlas says is "always 20-20". most boxers have a steady decline right? where over the course of 2,3 maybe 4 fights you can say, yea hes past it now, not as fast, not as powerfull etc etc, yet jones went from one of the top p4p to past it in one fight against tarver? i dont buy that at all.
snaggsbish 2 years ago
who was better than tarver, calzaghe obviously, if clinton woods didnt get stage fright on big fights he could have beat tarver and he's not a great fighter, glen "im so good i lost 12 times, nearly 20% of my fights" johnson beat tarver, hopkins beat tarver easily, you were using the performance of jones v malinga and eubank v malinga to point towards jones being better, im saying that because a boxer beats a guy it doesnt mean anything in relation to other fighters. hopkins lost twice to taylor
snaggsbish 2 years ago
Joe Calzaghe obviously better than Antonio Tarver? I think not. Calzaghe boxed at 168lbs+ only fought twice at 175lbs once against 43 year old Bernard Hopkins in a fight he was fortunate to get the decsision+ against 39 yr old Roy Jones who was finished as an elite level fighter.
Glen Johnson 12 defeats mainly early in his career when he was overmatched+ got some bad decisions. Johnson 2002 onwards is a world class fighter.
I would favour a peak Hopkins, Jones+ Tarver over Calzaghe...
07091102 2 years ago
taylor then lost twice to pavlik, pavlik then got destroyed by hopkins but by your rationale pavlik beats hopkins. styles make fights, what a cliche, but if you love boxing you will be more than aware of it and it fits the above scenario perfectly, jones didnt beat all the top fighters of his era but granted, hopkins toney and mccallum on your cv is hard to argue against, but in no way does that guarantee he beats eubank, or any top fighter for that matter, how can it?
snaggsbish 2 years ago
Jermaine Taylor trained by Emmanuel Stewart used the right tactics+ strategy to beat Hopkins i.e speed+ high work rate.
Pavlik by contrast was once paced+ one dimensional + relatively easy for a defensive master like Hopkins.
Tarver was woefully out of conditioned when he fought Hopkins, probably the result of becoming overweight whilst filming Rocky VI.
Jones beat a far higher quality of fighter than Eubank who I doubt could have ever beaten Macallum, Hopkins, Toney or Nunn...
07091102 2 years ago
EXACTLY, Jones and Eubank could have fought at 2 stages in their careers but neither of them was too confident of beating the other.
Yanks have no idea about boxing outside their tiny little bubble called the USA.
"ooooooo Jones beat Toney"
HAHAHAHA, Toney was and is a sloth who ANY half decent boxer can beat, christ it took Toney 10 rounds to beat Barkley, LOL, it took Nigel Benn 1 ROUND! LOL.
Eubank beat Benn but the Yanks don't care, cause it happened outside their little bubble.
imperialpod 2 years ago
You seem to have a love affair with British boxers most of whom held the lesser WBO title. There is a reason for that WBO generally has a lesser quality of fighters which is why people like Benn, Calzaghe, Eubank reigned so long. They generally avoided the top ranked WBC/ WBA IBF fighters.
James Toney avergage? IBF world champion at middle, super middle+ cruiserweight, beating THE dominant champion each time eg Nunn, Macallum, ,Jirov.
Such dismissive comments make you sound foolish..
07091102 2 years ago
LOL.
Well, that sums up your knowledge then.
Benn WBC
Calzaghe WBC,WBO,IBF, WBA, RING MAGAZINE.
The WBO figures where in you argument?
imperialpod 2 years ago
Calzahe held the lesser WBO belt for 10 years + he held the WBC, WBA belt for about a year or so.Benn was WBC champ for 2-3 years before being beaten.
Since 1970 you had on average 3 British WBA/WBC World Champions per decade: eg Buchnan, Stracey, Conteh; Mcguigan, Minter Honeyghan.
Since the WBO in the 1990s I have lost count of the British fighters who have claimed WBO titles. Is this a coincidence? or are WBO fighters generally lesser quality than WBC WBA, IBF ranked fighters?
07091102 2 years ago
HAHA idiot.
'Jones beat the best fighters of his era'
lolololol yeah like Vinny Paz, Tony Thornton and MANY other bums.
No.. Benn, Eubank, Graham, Collins, McClellan, Jackson, Nunn, Brewer, Barkley and others.
oooo slow Toney and Young Hopkins, thats IT!
The rest were bums, and even worse, bums in his HOMETOWN.
'ooooo, I'll get robbed, ooooo the judges hate me'
'Ooooo Calzaghe beat an old Jones'
At least Joe beat him away from home, somthing Roy has NEVER done.
imperialpod 2 years ago
Roy Jones was probably th best supermiddlwght of the 1990s. He beat a peak Toney who kod Nunn, Barkely, Williams, Johnson+ who outpointed a master boxer in Macllum. Not bad for a "oh so slow boxer" Macallum a 3 wght champion probably have beaten Eubank+ Benn which is why they didn't want to fight him. Jones also beat Harding, Lucas, Griffin, Woods who all went on to become World Champions. Calzaghe, Collins Benn Eubank, etc don't have the same quality resume of fighters on their records...
07091102 2 years ago
HAHAHAH.
Calzaghe = Eubank, Reid, Mitchel, Brewer,Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins,Jones and Woodhall....ALL WORLD CHAMPIONS.
Collins = McCallum, Kalambay, Benn twice, Eubank twice and Reggie Johnson.
And once again the Yank is made to look ill-educated and foolish.
imperialpod 2 years ago
Calzaghe often fought fighters who weren't ever elite level or past their best eg Eubank, Reid, Jones@39, Hopkins@ 43, Starie, Brewer+ Mitchell. Lacy was over-rated. Kessler was probably his best win. But Kessler would probably get beaten all day long against a peak Hoplkins, Nunn, Toney, Jones, Macallum etc.
Collins a rugged durable fighter but in all truth was fortunate to get Benn+Eubank at the end of the careers worn down by age+ ring wars especially Benn.
What is your point exactly?
07091102 2 years ago
calzaghe was 36 when he fought hopkins and jones, jones is not as good, but hes not shot, look at his last two fights, didnt freddy roach say hopkins at 40 would beat hopkins at 30 or something to that effect? then he beat pavlik in his next fight, how was he past his best vs calzaghe then suddenly beat the shit out of pavlik? at the end of the day if calzaghe and eubank were american and jones, and the other 4 u love mentioning were british ,your opinion would be the polar opposite. admit it.
snaggsbish 2 years ago
Most elite boxers are in decline by age 35+ a world class boxer in his 40's is very rare. Hopkins was a late starter but has kept himself very fit+ is very good defensively. However he is clearly not the fighter he was. He struggles to maintain a fast pace, eg v Taylor+ work rate saved Calzaghe in a fight he was fotunate to get the decision.
Pavliks big mistake was to fight at a slow pace which suited crafty Hopkins.
Jones pro for 20 yrs , has been finished at the elite level since 2003
07091102 2 years ago
massive overuse of the word "elite" on this page, if what your saying is true then calzaghe was in decline also! why is it everytime you are basically insinuating calzaghe was at his peak when he wasnt, watch the lacy v calzaghe fight, then watch kessler v calzaghe, hes clearly slower v kessler and that was 2007! before the hopkins and jones fights. so if hopkins had been defeated 4 times before getting beat by calzaghe, yet compubox numbers say hopkins was hit more times than in any other fight
snaggsbish 2 years ago
Elite in thise sense broadly means top 5 in the world. Possibly top 10 if the divsision is particualrly strong.
Ca;zaghe may not have been at his peak by 2006 but he wasn't in marked decline as Roy Jones has been since 2003 and he was not forty something like Bernard
Hopkins who is still good but clearly not the man who hammered Trinidad, Joppy, De La Hoya to name but a few.
Kessler was a much more athletic + overall better fighter than Lacey + therefore posed more problems for Calzaghe.
07091102 2 years ago
Kessler is actually good, maybe dat''s why calzaghe's bitch ass looked slower???
DaYoungWayne101 2 years ago
iz dat y calzaghe battared im all tru da fite blad? lol, calzaghe owned kessler.....so whats your point?
snaggsbish 2 years ago
my point is calzaghe is overrated and has fought 3 legit people in his career two of which are ovah da hill. calzaghe can't batter anyone since da nigga throws slaps, and he didn't own Kessler he won da fight 7-5 that's hardly an ass whooping u gullible ass nigga. get off joe's dick he's an okay fighter but far from da best, he's da wales version of sven ottke which means a fraud wid a padded record.
DaYoungWayne101 2 years ago
how can someone fight 3 "legit" fighters and be a fraud at the same time? bit of a contradiction there fella. think jeff lacy accused calzaghe of slapping until he got his face slapped around for 12 rounds...., kessler fight scorecard: 117-111 116-112 116-112. that my friend is an "ass whooping" by anyones standards. the fact you can even compare him to sven ottke proves you know fuck all. dat iz da truth homie bbrrrrraaat ha ha ha
snaggsbish 2 years ago
the dude has 46 fights and fought 3 people who are good enough to mention, 2 of which he ducked for a decade until they got old as fuck.Think what u want about Calzaghe,da fact is he ain't as great as his douchebag fans make him out to be.I had da fight wid Kessler 115-113 for Calzaghe and that ain't an asswhooping I don't care what da hometown judges had it.sven ottke is an obvious comparison cause da nigga sat in his backyard his whole career fightin nobodies, just like Calzaghe did. OVERRATED
DaYoungWayne101 2 years ago
jones, kessler, hopkins, lacy, eubank, thats 5 off the cuff. hopkins ducked joe in 2002, get your facts right, do some research. Who the fuck cares how you had the fight mate!! harold lederman had it 117-111 and unlike you he knows a little bit about boxing.hate all you want on calzaghe, fact is he is the best at 168 in history and one of the top 10 fighters of his era. kessler isnt a nobody, you said it yourself. your contradicting yourself again fella. RETARD
snaggsbish 2 years ago 2
dis is why i don't talk boxing on youtube, because block-headed faggot niggas like you say the stupidest shit and get away w/ it. Calzaghe is da greatest of all time you right, we are all blessed to see him fight. i'm out, now put yo hand back on your dick and get out da calzaghe photos.
DaYoungWayne101 2 years ago
yo yo yo, here did, dis is y i not be talking with retarded gangsta wannabes on utube for shizzle cos dey talk bulshit and type lik dey cant speek english homie dat iz da truth dog, im out yo stick ta slingin rock in da rough streetz yo, hahahahaha fuck off you retard, learn english.
snaggsbish 2 years ago
i agree.calzaghe cant beat jones at his prime!no way!!!!!
ryanrama21 2 years ago 13
how does that make him fortunate to get the decision? he was fortunate to get a decision in the corrupt world of american boxing judging yes, but he won the fight, it was close granted. and hopkins never maintained a fast pace, he always been a boring defensive fighter, taylor being the exeption,
snaggsbish 2 years ago
Calzaghe was fortunate because he was heavily floored cut+ technically posed few problems for Hopkins for the first half of the fight. The decision could easily have gone the other way, eg Duke McKenzie thought Hopkins won it. Afterwards Calzaghes bruises+ cuts contrasted with the unmarked Hopkins.
Hopkins fit strong clever but very effective defensive fighter which is one of the reasons he has lasted so long at the elite level.
Honestly, would have Calzaghe beaten him 5 years ago??..
07091102 2 years ago
Corrupt world of American judging? I think American judges are least corrupt compared to over seas judges often, if not all the time giving their fighter a home town decision.
GrandPappyJeffz 2 years ago
diaz v malignaggi.....i rest my case
snaggsbish 2 years ago
No shit, lol. Judging from your choice of a match that happened recently i'm guessing that you're just a kid that just started watching boxing. I would understand if you said Chavez and Whitaker. But come on, there's been numerous over seas hometown decisions. Hatton Lazano, John Marquez, numerous home town decisions in Japan, Indonesia, the UK, Mexico, Aregentina, etc.
GrandPappyJeffz 2 years ago
yeah mate, im a fuckin 12 year old who started watching boxing at the weekend then started posting on youtube....is it not entirely more relevant being so recent? rather than you using an example from the 90's? john v jmm yeah fair one, but i wouldnt have included the far east because you take that kind of thing for granted, but america being the biggest boxing nation and under such media scrutiny you would expect this kind of thing to have been eradicated by now. when it quite clearly hasnt
snaggsbish 2 years ago
id put germany in the pot along with any country which isnt big on boxing, the UK is big on boxing to some extent, i would like to think we are the most impartial in this way, more than welcome to correct me if im wrong but i cannot think off the top of my head of any real real bad decisions in recent uk boxing histtory, hatton lazcano? come on man, theres plenty of unofficial scorecards that gave that as a whitewash, again i cant think off the cuff how i had it but i know it was a clear victory
snaggsbish 2 years ago
who overrated lacy? the same people who are on here bleating about jones, hopkins etc etc, if lacy had never fought calzaghe you would be on here saying lacy would have knocked him out, why? cos lacy is american and calzaghe isnt.
snaggsbish 2 years ago
Lacey was over hyped on the basis of TKO Robin Reid who was not an elite level fighter anyway.
Prior to that Laceys only name opponenents were Omar Sheikh+ Syd Vanderpool. He had a single left hook+ that was it. Calzaghe exposed his many limitations+ what has Lacey done since? lost to every name oppoent he has faced, including a well worn Roy Jones.
Calzaghe's best win was v Kessler. Calzaghe was a good boxer but I put him below Nunn, Macllum, Toney, Jones, Hopkins, Dawson, Tarver...
07091102 2 years ago
elite elite elite zzzzzzz. is the word elite latin for american or something? lacy was never the same after the pounding he took from calzaghe, thats the main reason hes been even more shit since, he had his fighting soul destroyed that night. calzaghe below dawson? wtf has dawson done compared to calzaghe? he got a very dodgy decision over glen "im so good i lost 12 times" johnson for fuck sake LOL. below tarver.......i think that statement kind of ends this as a realistic discussion
snaggsbish 2 years ago
calzaghe is better than nunn, macullum, toney dawson tarver and hopkins, the only debate is jones, deal with it.
snaggsbish 2 years ago
Calzaghe better than all those guys?
You sound like a Cheer leader now.
I doubt if Joe Calzaghe was being honest even HE wouldn't put himself above all of those guys. Good boxer top 10, probably top 5 of his time but I would back every one of those men you have named there to beat him at anywhere near their peak conditions. Calzaghe would have done well to come through Eubank, Benn, Collins+ Watson much less THE very best supermiddleweights since the division began...
07091102 2 years ago
Rjj is the best p4p of all time during his prime.. sadly that was years ago though. But i'd take Rjj in his prime vs any other fighter
bnew 3 years ago
didnt know this fight happened
123jordm456 3 years ago
i hate racist azz larry merchent. tell him george! "u better believe it larry"!
funny shit
reverendtriggafinga 3 years ago
this roy jones in this video had able to fight calzaghe with only 7 ou 8 rounds !
sfourne2 3 years ago
Poor Clinton Woods. Ive always liked woods as both a fighter and a great guy outside of the ring. Really kool guy.
determinationman 3 years ago
It's shit what happened in the Tarver fight, you'd have thought he could have done it. Then again, fighting Glen Johnson repeatedly must take a lot out of you... just ask Roy Jones!
sergelapelle 3 years ago
Elvir Muriqi vs Clinton Woods 31 Janar
GOO ELVIR GOO
ELVIR FOR WORLDCHAMPION!!!
Nuriseferi 3 years ago
nah its not the commentor its roy jones that doesnt trust the judges afta what happened to him at the olympics when he was robbed of a win
ThEgOdLiKeOnE898 3 years ago 2
he doesnt trust foreign judges because roy jones jr. was cheated out of a gold medal, you dumb ass, it happens all the time...all judges have some sort of bias about a fight before it happens
gonchito1 3 years ago
clintons my uncle go on then
leahSTANDISH 3 years ago
clintons a bum
Mikey2936 3 years ago
your a fukin bum
DReynolds92 3 years ago 2
Who's the commentator who doesnt trust foreign judges? racist flag fucker
jonnaheed 3 years ago
lol.. you talking bout George Foreman bro!! and i'm pretty sure he is no racist..
khalilj 3 years ago 2
manchester
stuartbango1987 3 years ago
jones beat tarver in there first fight and i think a lot of people will be suprised when he and jones meet
crazylunatic44 3 years ago
simply the best H2H fighter of all time.
nezy37 3 years ago
you don't know anything about boxing!
shut your face !
wizzear 3 years ago
Jones has the chance now! to fight your JOE CalzAgHe! and he TAKES IT!
and Joe will be 45-1 when all is said and done! i bet my house on it!
wizzear 3 years ago
What a guy whos been beaten twice by tarver? yeah right.. did you see tarver vs woods? tarver is bad and even he can beat jones so calzaghe will do a number on him that you can take to the bank
fallenangel3001 3 years ago
bye bye to your house
stuartbango1987 3 years ago
Bless him, Woods isn't that bad. Not brilliant but not bad....and he has a nice face :)
What is written on his back?
Tulips81tulips 3 years ago
loser it should be
fallenangel3001 3 years ago 2
hahaha cruel
mark530ni 3 years ago
woods is a nobody. Im english but even i can admit hes not got what it takes to be p with the best and should hang up his gloves.
sirjonski 3 years ago
Woods..please stay out of the U.S. you just keep wasting us airtime, they could have played a re-run of american idol and it would have been more exciting.
sacmar01 3 years ago
Woods really sucks.
MrRealandreal 3 years ago
to the people slagging calzaghe off.hopkins and jones had a chance to fight calzage but they turned the fight down
mcvet89 3 years ago
Tarver took Woods to school last night, and before anyone replies calling me a stupid yank, i'm English.
Hesquito 3 years ago