When Saturn Ruled the World [And STILL does] - Shamash Helios Brahma Bull of the Sky KRONOS

[prodogy07]

Satan want to mimic god ways so he trey to do every thing opposite thats all

[ALMIGHTYWARLORDS]

The Sabbath is HOLY . What Man calls it is there problem . In The Beginning GOD saw TOHU - BOHU ( Chaos ) , GOD rebuilt the Earth from something Major that happened before EDEN .

[BornInTzyon]

The Hebrews used numbers, not planetary names for the weekdays, with the exception of the 7th day which was simply called "rest", or shabbat in Hebrew. It was the day set aside to emulate the rest of the Creator of the planet Saturn....along with rest of the universe & its occupants. This remains the practice of Jews to this day. Please do further scholarly research into the practices of these religions before making uneducated & unfounded accusations.

[serpentineflame]

sounds real good, I'm just waiting for the narrator to say something very quacky though, like that there was some global worship of one god in one name. Curious, is Saturn in any of his manifestations associated with resurrection like all the Jesus prototypes in the Mediterrenean? I know of Saturnalia, but that was kind of a haravest festival was it not?

bingo

[flairfan101]

Jesus did NOT worship Saturn!

[ouijaboy666]

Saturn thing is the most crucial piece of the puzzle. I am telling you if you can find out what saturn is, it is not a ball of gas like NASA says. They are not worshipping the sun but the black sun. Saturn's symbols are everywhere, and anyone who tells you its this or that & doesn't mention the saturn connection is just a trying to confuse you. SATURN IS THE KEY. Cube, hex, triangle, chevron, space-time, cross, sun, purple, blue, red, the primary colours, swastika, planet X

[rafyraf100]

kronos got a bonos in his onos!!!

[thepupils209]

@sleepy555555

Well said. "so many wanting to control you with there agenda." I live life without "inflicting" my beliefs upon people. If someone asks me what's your belief on______? I will answer it, and either agree or go on with my day. If everyone worried and focused on themselves the world would get a lot more shit done.

[infamos]

do Sabbath keepers worship saturn? Yes there are kabbalists who keep SATURNS day because they worship El,but the 7th day was sanctified by the Creator. Did Abraham, Daniel or Jesus Christ worship El, no they did not yet they all kept the Sabbath because it is blessed and sactified by God.

Be very careful about teaching people not to honor HE ORDAINED, not man or saturn worshippers.

[neptuneglass34]

@infamos And who do you think EL and "the creator" is? So in fact Abraham, Daniel and Jesus the archetype did worship Saturn. You have to remember that Judaism is a mystical and magical religion. You cannot separate the two and say "Oh they worship Saturn, but Abraham worshiped the true god". Its all the same thing do not let your pastor or whomever fool you into thinking that there is a difference its all pagan!

[rafyraf100]

@neptuneglass34 ok mothman!!1

[Thinqingman]

Sabbath = Saturn



[kron009]

@Thinqingman  H7676

שׁבּת

shabbâth

shab-bawth'

Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath.

[iiiwideopen]

never mind I see the question there now?

[iiiwideopen]

didn't I just post a question? please let me know if your not going to answer the questions that I post. then I will not waste your time.

[Queenyinthehouse]

@iiiwideopen Saturday is worshipping the Roman God Saturn "SATURN'S day". And the entire planet is worshipping that day under the guise of "sabbath" which yes, we should honor the sabbath everyday. Or pick a day based on JESUS and not a particular day because satan has corrupted even the day's. Saturday was a day that represents saturn and the sabbatarians, most definitely followed the planets, especially the millerites, and 7th day adventists.

[iiiwideopen]

@Queenyinthehouse forget about Saturday what about Sabbath? Forget about now. What about when God commanded the Hebrew people to observe it? Was the God of the bible telling them to worship Saturn or Satan?

[Queenyinthehouse]

@iiiwideopen I already told you that the sabbath is YOUR day of rest. NOT a "day". The synagogue of satan follow SATURN, who is the star god and they KNOW it. GOD told us ALL when He spelled it out of us in the books of Amos and Acts which I have already provided you. What's the problem?

[iiiwideopen]

@Queenyinthehouse You really did not address the main point of my question. you answered another question that I did not ask whether you realize it or not. I understand that you don't believe in a specific day. Forget about you and me now. My question had to due with the commandment to the Hebrew people in exodus 20:8-11. God told the Hebrew people to keep a specific day. happened to be the day we call saturday now. Was God telling them to worship a false God? Yes or No?

[Queenyinthehouse]

@iiiwideopen NO, God did NOT tell them TO worship a false god, he told them that they WERE worshipping a "god STAR" and the god STAR is "saturn". REMEMBER.. WE are under the NEW TESTAMENT, and when the Christ was killed on the cross, His LAST words were "It is done" meaning that HE is the fulfillment of the OLD Pharisitical "laws". I am NOT telling you to "dis"honor the "sabbath" but what I AM saying (Jesus said) is to honor on YOUR day.

[iiiwideopen]

@Queenyinthehouse When God gave that Law there were no Pharisee's. and He never called it your day or my day. He called it the LORD's Sabbath. So forget about now. what about then. Was it a law that He Gave? And if so were not the Hebrew people worshiping the God of creation, or were they worshiping saturn?

[Queenyinthehouse]

@iiiwideopen When God gave WHAT "law"? You seem to NOT be able to "comprehend" and I am getting quite irritated with you. No offense BUT, I suspect you're "playing" with me. I don't play... Get it? You're cute and all BUT.. You need to do your OWN research and stop relying on other's to show you the way. This is the LAST time I will answer you. I SAID that WE are ALL worshipping saturn, and NONE of us seem to GET it. Our world worship IS based on BAAL/MOLOCH, now DO SOME STUDY OF YOUR OWN.

[iiiwideopen]

@Queenyinthehouse I have no intention of being cute. And I never play with subjects pertaining to God. But I don't doubt that someone could be irritated with me. I have been married for 16 years and very aware of my ability to irritate. Please overlook my flaws? I do very much comprehend what you are saying. you don't seem to want to answer my question in a direct way or not getting what I'm actually asking. Face the question directly on. If you don't want to continue I understand. God Bless

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen I guess I can provide some help here. "Queenyinthehouse" seems to be some kind of NT-Christian, but I am not sure?

This is the important point: Saturday is NOT the 7th day of the week. The Sabbath is the 7th day of the week and has NOTHING whatsoever to do with saturday. The Sabbath is determined like the Bible teaches (Genesis 1:14, Leviticus 23:2-3, Psalm 104:19). In each new month the Sabbath falls on a different day of our modern week. God bless you.

[iiiwideopen]

@zTagDe I agree with you that there is no biblical Saturday Sabbath connection. but the seven day cycle by default makes the weekly sabbath fall on the same day every week.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

You have been deceived by our false modern calendars. In the Scriptures there are certain days, which are NOT part of any week. I repeat: There are days which are NON-weekdays. The biblical seven-day-week is completely independent from our modern weeks. And therefore the Sabbath falls in every month on a different modern-weekday. Satan has deceived the whole world with a false weekly cycle. May God bless you in your search for His truth.

[iiiwideopen]

@zTagDe I do not see that anywhere in scripture my friend. not even in the old Karaite calender. As far as I know there is not even a historical calender that recons they way you are.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

I do not see anywhere the false modern weekly cycle in the Scriptures. The feast days simply do not work with our false modern weekly cycle so the Jews even had to invent many special rules to still make the feast days work together with our false weekly cycle.

And I don't care for any "historical", karaite or other calendars. What calendar and weekly cycle do the Scriptures teach? Just open your eyes, pray and you will see the truth and the truth will set you free. God bless you.

[iiiwideopen]

@zTagDe The Karaite Jews keep the biblical Calender even into the 19th century. and the feast days did not have to line up with the weekly Sabbath. The weekly Sabbath did not have any thing to do with the lunar cycle. If I am wrong to show me from scripture. Leviticus 23 makes a clear distinction between the weekly and the rest with two introduction one before the weekly and one for the rest verses 3 and 4 and then again verses 37, 38 tell you they are "besides the Sabbath's of the Lord"

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

Could you please help me here: Who is the Messiah according to the Karaite Jews?

But I guess when it comes to the calendar then the Karaite are infallible?

When did the Karaite's invent their own version of a "biblical" calendar, which year was that? Based on which teachings?

The pope also says, that the weekly cycle is independent from the heavenly luminaries and does not care about Genesis 1:14-16, Psalm 104:19 and other verses.

Who should we believe?

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

If you like it or not the 7th day weekly Sabbath is called a moedim in Leviticus 23:2-3. And there is nothing you can do to discuss that away.

Furthermore do the Scriptures very clearly and specifically tell us in Lamentations 2:6, that the Jews FORGOT the 7th day weekly Sabbath. The Hebrew word is the exact same word for the 7th day weekly Sabbath. The facts are, that you not only have to ignore a lot of verses, but you even can NOT prove what you believe. God bless you.

[iiiwideopen]

@zTagDe I would not try to discuss away that it is a moedim. That simply means an appointed or fixed time. The word does not specify what the fixed period of time or frequency is. The context tells us what that fixed time is. principle of interpretation "faithful to the text relevant to the context." you still haven't shown me from scripture how the weekly sabbath varied monthly or had to be changed according to the lunar cycle. Lamentations we can look at after this if figured out. God bless.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

You want to believe, that the Sabbath changes monthly. The Sabbath is always on the same days each month, no "variation" whatsoever. You are judging the Scriptures by our false modern day weekly cycle. I can quote all the texts I want to and you will simply ignore them or discuss them away. Why don't you simply prove your belief from the Scritptures ALONE and settle this issue?

There is a very clear 7-day-cycle with the moon. Remember, the luminaries are for our days Genesis 1:14-16

[iiiwideopen]

@zTagDe Now I'm even more confused I just read this note. first you say it is on a different day and now you say it is on the same day. if the moon is a seven day cycle and that determines the week the the week is a seven day week. if a day is evening to evening. then we have no real disagreement. I still don't know what you are talking about. maybe I'm just not smart enough.

[iiiwideopen]

@zTagDe also if it fell on a different day every month then that change would cause it to not be a seven day cycle during the final week of that month.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

Just prove your false modern day 7day-cycle with the Scriptures ALONE. I mean what is your authority? The pope? Where are the verses, which show us which day of the false modern 7-day-weekly-cycle the 7th day? How do you know from the Scriptures ALONE where the count starts?

What date-line are you using? The date-line the world is using or do you use the date-line of our Creator?

Again, what is your authority?

God bless you.

[iiiwideopen]

@zTagDe I have no authority within myself. But the bible says in 2nd Peter 1:20 that the bible is "of no private interpretation." acts 10:34 says that "God is not a respecter of persons". So I believe that anyone can understand scripture. When trying to determine what scripture has to say about a subject we should see all the scripture pertaining to that subject. Principle of interpretation. interpret that which is unclear by that which is crystal clear. see next post

[iiiwideopen]

@iiiwideopen zTagDe, I hope I am not upsetting you. I am just searching for clarity between your view and what I understand. I have no connection with the pope. And believe that the papacy fulfills the prophecy in Daniel 7:25. The attempted change. Looking at Scripture I see in all four gospels that Jesus and the apostles understood when the Sabbath was. the most obvious verses are Matthew 24:20, 28:1, Mark 16:1 Luke 24:1 John 20:1. first verse of every resurrection account. see next post

[iiiwideopen]

@iiiwideopen zTagDe, If the bible is so unreliable. as to not tell us the will of God then we are left without hope. can we trust anything in it? Where do we turn? All I did was to ask you to explain why you believe the way you believe. and the bible tells us to be ready to give an answer. If you would like I could give you more of why I believe the way I believe. God bless my friend.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

That is simply hilarious. You did NOT respond to the question you were asked and now you try to blame me as if I had done what you just did. I showed very clearly what the Sabbath is and how to find it from the Scriptures ALONE (Genesis 1:14-16, Leviticus 23:2-3, Psalm 104:19, Lamentations 2:6 etc.). You are creating a strawman-argument (dis-info-tactic) because you simply are NOT able to prove your belief about when the Sabbath is from the Scriptures ALONE. God bless you.

[iiiwideopen]

@zTagDe OK, I see nothing funny. I am very sencere in what I believe and just thought the question about my authority was out of line. and it made you seem upset. I never claimed any authority. and I do not see what you see in the verses you cited. after studying every verse concerning the Sabbath and the week I could find. every passage that deals with when gives me a 7 day period. I can't get around that. my only point from the passages is that they knew when it was.

[iiiwideopen]

@zTagDe I have not tactic. Just searching for clarity. and so far what you are saying seems very unclear. I'm not even sure if we disagree or agree yet.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

You are not at all upsetting me. Are you trying to make this a personal issue to disguise that you are not responding to the question. Yes, of course the disciples and our Saviour knew exactly like I know when the Sabbath was. I asked YOU how YOU know which day the Sabbath is from the Scriptures ALONE and you have not responded to the question.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

All these verses (Matthew 24:20, 28:1, Mark 16:1 Luke 24:1 John 20:1) do never mention any of our modern weekdays or modern weekly cycle. You are falsely claiming, that there is a connection between the first day in Scripture to any of our modern weekdays. This fake connection does ONLY exist in your mind, but NOT in Scripture. The hours of the day, the month were also not the same like today. The hours were dependent of the sun and the month dependent of the moon, remember Gen. 1?

[iiiwideopen]

@zTagDe Just doing a little thinking and so you know where I am coming from. the thing that drives me is trying to understand. I have not been trying to win you over to my understanding. I simply am trying to understand and see what you are seeing. and tell you what I see. so if you would give it in the simplest terms possible. How do you personally worship? and if that includes a particular day how do you determine that? If I were to do what you do when would that be? once again God Bless.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

Thank you for your open and humble words. Please forgive me for not making what I believe clear enough. Sadly, the truth really is confusing at first for our "modern" minds, which are so far removed from the true reckoning of time. Today we just look at a calendar on our walls or look at a electronic watch to know what day and what time it is. But our Creator placed everything to know every of His time in the sky. No watch, calendar or tradition is needed.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

The sun determines when a day begins and ends (only the sabbath and the feasts are kept from evening to evening). The sun also shows us when the 12 hours of the day are. The first hour of the day starts with sunrise. The 12th hour of the day ends with sundown. This is very different from our modern hours. The biblical hours of the day are in the summer much longer and in the winter much shorter. According to our false modern day time-reckoning a day starts in the middle of the night

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

The moon determines the days of the month, the days of the week and the date-line. When you look at the phases of the moon, then you see, that the moon is visible for nearly exactly 28 (4x7) days in each month. For about 36 hours (about 1.5 days) the moon is NOT visible from ANYPLACE on the earth. These 36 hours (1 or 2 days depending on your location) are NOT part of the weeks. These one or two days are called new moon days in Scripture.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

One example of two new moon days can be found in 1Samuel 20. The Jews invented a false unscriptural theory to explain away the two new moon days in 1Samuel 20 (allegedly "this was only a tradition at the times of the judges and kings"). About every other month has two new moon days. Again, these new moon days are NOT part of any week. The new moon days are NON-weekdays. Every month therefore has exactly 4 weeks. The month ALWAYS starts with the new moon days and ends with a Sabbath.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

The second day of any month is ALWAYS the first day of the week. The 14th of every month is ALWAYS the sixth day of the week. The Sabbath is always the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th day of each and every month. To know the day of the month and of the week you simply need a little training in watching the phases of the moon. After that you are easily able to know which day of the month and of the week it is by looking at the phase of the moon.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

Contrary to what the world believes there are days (new moon days) which are NOT weekdays. Sadly our minds are so screwed up, that we have a very hard time to even understand that. The moon very clearly has a 4x7 visible cycle, when you just observe the different phases. Our Creator gave us a complete calendar in the sky (Genesis 1:14-16) and He clearly said, that we know the feasts (7th day weekly Sabbath and annual feasts, "moedim") by the moon (Psalm 104:19).

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

He also clearly said, that he would remove His Sabbath (and the annual feasts) together with the destruction of the temple (Lamenations 2:6), the same happened again in 70 A.D. The true Sabbath was probably kept when our Saviour walked on this earth, but when the temple was destroyed again in 70 A.D. the true Sabbath (and the true other feast days) were again removed.

I hope this was helpful. God bless you.

[iiiwideopen]

@zTagDe Thank you, now I can study further. Talk with you soon. and God bless again.

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

Please be very, very careful, when you do research about this topic on the internet. There is A LOT of false information available by people who profess to keep the true Sabbath, but instead teach a lot of errors about it.

Probably the best way would be to just study the Scriptures about this topic without traditions/commentaries and pray for the Holy Spirit to lead you. God bless you.

[EltonJThe]

@zTagDe the best way is to keep the Lunar sabbath. The Sabbath is not reserved for a day set on Saturn's Day or the Sun's Day. But the day is marked by the first New Moon of the year. This year, the sabbath is Tuesday.

[zTagDe]

@EltonJThe

The best way is to keep the weekly cycle according to what the Bible says, which has nothing to do with what you described, if I understood you correctly. Our modern weekly cycle (Sunday to Saturnsday) is nowhere in the Bible. So why should anybody use it, if he wants to follow the Bible? Blessings.

[iiiwideopen]

@zTagDe I should say part of that a little different for clearity. The first intruduction includes the weekly Sabbath. and the second does not in Lev:23 verses 3 and 4

[zTagDe]

@iiiwideopen

I have already shown you many verses which are very clear about this topic. Why don't you start to prove from the Scriptures which day the seventh day of the week is? How do you know FROM THE SCRIPTURES ALONE, that the day today called "saturday" is the 7th day of the BIBLICAL week? Why can't for example wednesday be the 7th day of the week (Bible verses only please)? Or can anybody use his own count in your opinion. In my country is sunday the 7th day of the week. God bless you.

[iiiwideopen]

You must not believe the scriptures then? When it says the God commanded the sabbath to be kept.

[axis4peace3]

@iiiwideopen

Acts 20:7

[kron009]

@axis4peace3 Jesus and his followers clearly kept the 7th day sabbath. Luk 4:16, Luk 4:31, Mar 6:2, Mar 2:23 and many more, and where not a Saturn worshipers! no offence intended I totally believe in all this crazy Saturn worship just don't think the pagan names of days of the week given to them by followers of Saturn aka.Satan have anything to do with the 7th day sabbath.. IE. keeping it on Sun-Day would also be pagan worship of Helios Horus or any other given name of a false sun god

[Queenyinthehouse]

@iiiwideopen God warned us about this in Acts 7:37-43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the STAR OF YOUR GOD REMPHAN, and Amos 5:26-27 But ye have born the tabernacle of your Moloch, and Chiun (Remphan) your images, the STAR OF YOUR GOD, which ye made to yourselves. saturn IS "Moloch" and Ramphan and ALL other dieties you hear about with different names in ALL different cultures. different names and cultures ALL leading BACK to the planets. Psalms 19:1-6 God told us in THAT passage

[iiiwideopen]

@iiiwideopen So what? they broke bread. Jesus broke bread with the deciples on the 5th day of the week.

[PixelPwner]

@iiiwideopen the bibEL also says thou shalt not make any grave images of anything in the heavens on earth,which would mean that little jesus picture with the punctured heart with the crown of saturn on it,just like the halo's of the 7 angEL's,would be, SATAN/SATURN/LUCIFER/EVE-EL-DE­V-EL, Death.

good video.

[iiiwideopen]

@PixelPwner I'm not sure what you are talking about. I do not have any graven Imagesn or pictures of Jesus or anything else for that matter. Graven means carved by the way. Maybe if you watched what I have posted you'd have a better understanding of why I believe what I believe and how I worship. God bless

[PixelPwner]

@iiiwideopen im not attacking your personal being, just saying,that typical jesus picture isnt jesus.