OASIS B747-400 Training

[matthiashaenni]

Thanks for sharing! Very interesting!

[pdogone1]

awesome...a dream deferred for me having poor eyesight since the age of 12..it is humbling to think how we go to work and have bad days and its not that big a deal but the flight crews of the world airlines cant have a bad day..

[davidatcuwclubnet]

I would ask him if i could have more thrust on Engine 2, than on 3 &4 to make up for the yaw rather than use trim & rudder inputs.

[tward93]

@davidatcuwclubnet

I'm not a pilot myself but I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if something similar is standard practice?

[blueb0g]

@davidatcuwclubnet No, if you've lost an engine you want to use the maximum available thrust from the other three.

[diddydiddycool]

Enjoyed this... Thanks!

[Airlineguy427]

Why not just use the sim for touch and goes?

[dave46563]

@Airlineguy427 sims are good but they can't simulate everything. certain things cant be practiced in a real a/c.  training that has a certain risk are done in a sim. touch and go's like this aren't considered risky.

[blueb0g]

@Airlineguy427 Because you can't put a simulated T&G in your logbook as a real one.

[Airbus294]

I live under the approach for runway 28 (the one in the video) at Manston!

[pedromahon1973]

Holy cow, Chris Humphries, ex BA trainer trainer! 744, and Doug Millerin as "heavy" who's the hostie, Neil Armstrong!?! great vid.

[LufthansaA343]

oh thats not good engine 1 is retardedxD

[fbhjr68]

Who wouldn't want an instructor/checkout man like that?

[KnightOfTheSkies]

lol 5:08 engine 1 is retarded

[FSXPiilots]

@KnightOfTheSkies why lol? it's just a simulated engine failure

[1234512345956]

LOL 5:07 Retarded engine

[ColF1978]

South African F/O on the engine failure segment?

[solomonpilot767]

wow nothing like a Boeing and,if it is no't Boeing i am no't going thanks 4 posting this great clip!

[solomonpilot767]

well,thanks 4 posting this great clip!

[roryj123ok]

how do they afford that!!

[airlineman2606]

you train on simulator and on the real one its ovies good practice durrrr

[gt5004life]

Nr. 1 engine is retarded-- cracked me up!

[joshuan542]

@gt5004life it is funny however it means it is slowing down thats what retarded means

[OftenRatherAmused]

@alma6464 - Yes, they train in the 747. Would you even get on a plane when the pilot had never flown a real one before? It is expensive but it is far more expensive to have untrained pilots crash. It's not their first flight, they already know how to fly and have made numerous flights in smaller aircraft before they fly a jumbo like the 747, the basic principles are the same. Also, to save money they can fly to airports that are relatively close, do multiple touch and goes, etc.

[alma6464]

what???

pilots actually train on B747?? I thought it was all done on simulators!!

Surely it would be too expencive to train on actual aircraft...am I wrong??? can anyone confirm this??

[kembooo000]

@alma6464 After Qualification type you get on simulator there is a flight you do "offline". It's actually visual circuits with a real plane, to see the difference between simulator and the real thing...

I'm waiting for my flight on a 737-500 ^^

[CAAAAAAAAT1]

really awesome :)

[IScreamer]

The Oasis is now all dried up! It operated scheduled services to Vancouver, Canada and London Gatwick from its hub, Hong Kong.  Although it got off to a pretty good start, being voted "World's Leading New Airline" in 2007, it became a victim of its early unbelievably low fares (75 GBP one way Gatwick-Hong Kong).

More follows..............

[adamski895RS]

number one engine is retarded

[Flyglobespan93]

@adamski895RS LOL its funny the way he said it

[theknightlynews]

@adamski895RS NO engine retarded. Just a bit slow.

[averredude101]

@adamski895RS hehe that was hilarious 

[tsgucci]

I love it. I'll buy it.

[ContinentalPilot26]

when was this airline in service?

[Brac1]

I hope these guys found jobs after Oasis collapsed. Great video - thankyou.

[100foldharvest]

20 min flight in a 747... WOW

[trechan]

747-400s, the Queens of the sky

[ryanair737400]

lol engine one is retarded at 5:08

[raikkonen85]

really good trainer

[personmakingvideos]

?

why did the pilot land then takeoff again?

[JustPlanes]

In case they touch down and there is a problem, they need to have been trained on what they call a touch and go..

[bphendri]

Not really. Once you touch down, and the spoilers deploy (On most commercial jets), this happens as soon as the mains are down, you are committed to landing. The decision to go around, is usually made between 200 and 50 feet on the approach.

Touch and Gos are used to train approach and landing procedures. Not full stopping the aircraft saves wear and tear on the aircraft. Less brake usage, and it engine and fuel wear since you are not starting your take off roll from a full stop...

[Tomosan2888]

@bphendri The decision to go around can also be made once the aircraft has touched down, the fact the spoilers have extended does not automatically preclude a go around. Normally we would say once reverse thrust is engaged, you are committed to a full stop landing

[kembooo000]

@Tomosan2888 Totally agree, once the reverses are deployed, u have no choice but to stop...

[dreampilot2]

@bphendri You know your stuff :)

[IJariJuniorI]

not rly. The spoilers deploy IF the autobrake is enable in a high setting. Mostly for each aircraft autobrake 1 the spoilers dont work. And about the go around in the 200 and 50 feet.. depends on the kind of the approach procedure.

[AirSimming]

@IJariJuniorI I don't know where you got your "information" from, but you have been fairly misinformed. Ground spoiler deployment is not related to the auto brake system. The ground spoilers on the 747 deploy when:

- the speedbrake lever is in the "arm" position

- thrust levers 1 and 3 are closed

- when the main gear has touched down (i.e. the air-/ground sensor engages)

And additionally for a rejected take off: when the reversers of engine 2 and 4 have been selected.

[adypilot89]

nope your'e wrong,we have to set the spoilers to ARM then it will deployed by it self during touch down

[gt5004life]

@JustPlanes That's not why they do touch and goes though.

[malmo66]

@JustPlanes Also they want to do a large number of take offs and landings for the training. Saves on taxi time...

[MrNerd314159]

@JustPlanes and during training we do it over, and over, and over again just to get used to the plane because when operating in the pattern, you do pretty much everything you are expected to do in normal flight

[emiratesA380NCL]

@JustPlanes and it is to practice more takeoffs and landings in a shorter time

[MrNerd314159]

@JustPlanes and student pilots do that over and over again in their cessnas

[blueb0g]

@JustPlanes Technically incorrect - it's very unlikely that a touch and go will ever be carried out by a pilot in normal flying operations, go arounds are much more common - a touch and go exists because it counts as both a landing and a takeoff but it's only one manoeuvre, saving a lot of training time.

[formy2]

@JustPlanes a pilot wouldn't normally do this, it's just to practice takeoff's and landings quickly without stopping.

[pedalz1115]

During your type rating and route checks to be "cleared onto the line", that is to be allowed to fly without instructors as a pilot on the companies routes, you must be fluent with the handling of the aircraft, so here they are doing touch and goes to become familiar with the 747-400's landing characteristics. The only problem with this is, is that at light loads the 744 can become a handful and is very different to a fully loaded jumbo, but the training is still very necessary.

[KWC72]

they said like 5 times they were doing a touch and go....

[TVwatcher92]

@personmakingvideos It is cheeper to do a touch and go than a full stop landing and than take off again (you burn more fuel). So for training reasons they do touch and goes.

[gryzman]

@personmakingvideos touch and go is a normal training exercise. You basically don't want to waste too much time on landing, and take off roll, but rather you practice circuits (flying in a pattern around airports). This way you can practice more landings and take-offs in short time space. Mind you, it is quite costy to do this in 747 :)

[a090006]

@personmakingvideos there is an amazing video off a plane landing (I believe in Berlin,Germany)with heavy crosswind,then you understand why they excersize touch and go

[kingston1041]

@personmakingvideos touch and go

[singh737]

the oasis crew was just great very proffesional pilots

[forces077]

isn't this very expensive, a 747 just for training i though you learnt in cessnas and things, do oasis give permission to use its airplane? does this mess gatwicks traffic and atc arangements up, do many airlines do this training, thx

[DominoFaz]

These guys must have been near to completion for their training since they're using the real aircraft.

[nic777morrey]

all the airlines will do this, how would you like a pilot to come up from a cessna and immediately fly you on a 747. They need to get used to the 747 and it's the same for any other plane, a pilot whose going to fly a 737 needs time in it after coming up from a smaller plane

[riggarock]

Nice video - an insight into the aviation world very few get to see - thank you

[sfotpe]

that 747 use to belong to Singapore Airlines. Great to see that it still looks brand new.

[rnw26l]

This was awesome

[visualchaosfx]

WOW!! I gotta get me this DVD. I can apply what I learn on this DVD to flying the PMDG 747 in Flight Simulator 2004.

[silverstonewebcam]

thats scary the touch and go

[snyghest]

WoW, I've never seen that before (landing and taking off at the same time)

[aocharlie]

Man, you guy are halarious!! The whole engine being retarded. Anyways, what he meant when he said egine one is retarded he meant on idle. Not reverse obviuosly he had just taken off. Either way thanks for a good laugh.

[bluescan92]

u cant reverse while in flight. engine one retarded means its on idle

[thefsxflyer]

Yes, but that is only on Airbus.

[navymmw]

no its not. Retard simply means to reduce engine power to idle.

[tannagra]

"u cant reverse while in flight. engine one retarded means its on idle"

While 'retarded' does indeed mean the engine is idled, I remember being on a DC-8 from Gatwick to Vancouver in 1990 and the Captain told us, and I witnessed, the outboard engines being reversed to allow the aircraft to reduce speed on it's descent into Vancouver.

[dany4kin]

Concorde was another aircraft that could extend the reverse buckets in flight for an increase in descent rate.

[Arkcyph09]

propeller planes can do that if they are equipped with reversers

[Exocisme]

Retard means u have to reverse thrust

[MADTASS]

Retard means you Reduce the Engine Power to Flight Idle.

[captainalexnorthey]

engine 1 is retarded lol it made me laugh for ages.dont really know why lol.excellent video 5/5

[AiiRBuSFL33T0]

LOL, as you see umm.. engine number 1 is retarded :P

[uploader1010]

meaning the power of engine 1 is cut off! :P

[uploader1010]

not cut off but they can use it when its needed :P they only put the throttle to idle for training reasons :P

[alkhars11]

cool i love to fly a plane or i fly but i wish cuz im fat...

[ThomsonAirwaysDSA]

Great video there, never seen a Tuch and go video before, going to order it soon, but they did come into EGCN (Doncaster) a lot as well. Shame they went bust.

[50121300]

OASIS has gone ,but what about the pilots?all of them go to another airlines?

[abrahamchan]

You could see the first approach was quite unstable. Maybe it's really the FO's first time on the 747, so he was making more than necessary alieron inputs to a lightly loaded 747!

Oasis is gone but I believe it's spirit still lives.

[flyinglawyer]

Errr how was the approach unstable? Looked and sounded fine to me. Landing was safe but perhaps firm. Do you honestly think unstable approaches are acceptable in airline training? NO THEY ARE NOT!

[FunkyZangel]

I think what he meant was that the F/O applied too much aerilon input on finals, well although it looked fine to me!

[sjsandwell]

Looks like a great DVD JP!!

[flyerholland]

justplanes is asesome.. and the pilots are really nice for making and explaining the video~!

[siograeme21]

Just Planes,that's the best video i've seen, great work

[Ivertheviking]

Look like a very interesting video showing most exciting phases of flight - takeoff and landing. I would like to watch that touch and go practice live as well. I will buy this video because I love the 747-400. My other favourite airplane is the E190 series. I hope Worldairroutes also videos Flybe E195 or Air Canada E190 (both airlines have previous WAR video). I am buying Oasis video soon. Thank you!

[slaveknight]

lol i thought its all the band

[AirDude1213]

Awesome, really excited about this one.

[papilot312]

You rule, JustPlanes!

[EightCharlieFox]

Looks really exciting... just ordered!!

[AirbusBoeing2008]

I miss Oasis they were great!