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  • Cool

  • Dont fight here just watch the action, remember your pride warrior is always winner for you ok?

  • marquez is a sore loser and so are marquez fans. get over it. manny is the better fighter and just accept that.

  • 9-10 Pac.

    2:26 Pac landed a nice combo. 2:20 Marq right was blocked. 1:45 Marquez right hand was blocked again. 1:22 Pac blocked Marq right. 1:10 Pac land a clean Left.

    1:07 Marq lands a nice right. :35 Pac landed a left hand, Marquez hits back, but missed. Pac came back with a good combo landing a right at the end. :30 Marquez landed a body blow.

  • @huskysglare1 homie i think your times are wrong...

  • @notchjohnson1 on what?

  • @huskysglare1 the video... the fight doesnt even start until 2:33

  • @notchjohnson1 i was referring to the round times. Not the video times.

  • @huskysglare1 sir, i apologize. carry on

  • Marquez will definately lose the first one because its at 144

  • pac is drained as hell in this fight.

  • i got pacman in 6th in the 3rd match

  • @lawrence9423 depend how much steriods he took during training. oh and he is a gook

  • @billllllyyyyyy1 and u are a racist asshole

  • @1dragenflyblu dont care

  • @billllllyyyyyy1 i see. you've probably been called that too many times already.

  • @1dragenflyblu how about u shut the fuck up gook lover

  • @billllllyyyyyy1 pac quiao! get it?

  • @1dragenflyblu i thought i told u to shut up gook lover

  • @billllllyyyyyy1 or what, pendejo? dont reply. just goodbye

  • @1dragenflyblu shut that fucking mouth gook lover

  • @billllllyyyyyy1 HOW MUCH DID YOU LOSE BETTING ON MARQUEZ EXPECTING AN UPSET??? YOU GOT OWNED MOTHER BITCH. GOOK HATER LOVER LOLOLO

  • @thepacquiaovsmosley dont care

  • @billllllyyyyyy1 then shut up

  • @thepacquiaovsmosley dont care

  • Now this is a real fight ! punch after punch ! HELL YEAH !

  • The rematch is going to be at 144 lbs. It's gona be rough for Marquez because his punches are going to be week. I think Manny will KO Marquez.

  • Pacquiao is the BEST !!!

  • Cuautemoc Blanco hahahahaha

  • 10-9 Marquez.. close round that could've gone either way but i give this round to JMM for landing the most significant punch of the round which is that hard right hand @ 4:25

  • que pedo con Cuauthemoc Blanco en 1:05?!?! haha

  • Manny won that round but it was close...not much action

  • i advice Manny not to stick too much to Marquez, because Marquez is too stinky...he drinks his own urine..yack!!..LoL

  • @keitrie...I'm sure Floyd doesn't want a loss on his record..who does? However I really don't give Manny that much credit for any fight after the 2nd JMM fight with the exception of the Clottey fight. When figthers choose to fight their entire camp is part of that decision. Oscar was to inactive. Shane to old and pretty much done after Floyd beat him. Margarito was never a good boxer and it seems he has less punching power after the Mosely fight..hmm? Cotto? Too many wars. Hatton? Tailor made.

  • @spankybighead why does he need credit?

  • @spankybighead I didn't say he needs credit. I said I don't give him much credit for the fights after JMM. Oscar clearly not at his best. Probably the worst he's ever come into the ring. Hatton was already beaten and frankly his style is easy pickings for a guy like Pac. Cotto was and is damage goods after Tony and even the Clottey fight. Margarito is not a good boxer and frankly after those wraps were discovered where did his power go? ;-) Clottey was a legit opponent so I'll give Pac that one

  • @spankybighead

    I feel the same way but I can see the argument against. You have to remember pac was a big dog against de la hoya. A lot of people thought he was going to lose that fight. He was moving way up in weight after fighting in a number of very close fights. Hatton wasn't himself, but at his best he was a very strong fighter for his size and it was hard to know how bad he would be. Cotto was the first legitimate opponent manny fought at a higher weight, and he won the first round.

  • @spankybighead

    margarito was another step up in size, and mosley was really the first black american fighter manny had ever fought. Manny's last few fights have been boring, but he isn't being a total cherrypicker. I don't think he or freddie likes being called a coward. He's had a slow patch lately but I wouldn't be surprised if that ends soon unless he retires.

  • @tommygumport Maybe not a total cherry picker but they did pick carefully. They could have fought Mosley late 2009. Mosley agreed to Roach's offer, Roach pulled it. Not that it was official but Shane did agree to 142lb request. The other point is the Cotto fight shouldn't have happened. I and many believe Cotto lost to Clottey. But that's more of a Top Rank/Arum issue. Then he doubled up with the Clottey fight and again with Tony. Those 3 fights were purely about money.

  • @spankybighead

    cotto didn't look good against clottey, but roach was still genuinely worried about him and accurately predicted that he'd give his all preparing for manny. Again I think manny was genuinely worried about tony just because of his size. Last point would be that I watched some of manny's old fights for the first time and I have trouble complaining after seeing them. How many wars does a guy need to be in? he's paid some dues that's for sure.

  • @tommygumport Manny's had tough fights but you can't ignore the Top Rank money making theory. Cotto is dangerous cause he can hit, so can Tony. The question was could Cotto take punishment which we know now that is no. As for Tony, he was never a good boxer. Big? Yes. No plaster and lack luster fight previously set the stage. In fact Tony only lasted because he is big and he was sort of paying dues for that plaster incident.

  • @spankybighead

    That's all true. It's funny but I used to really admire freddie and team pacquiao for their fight picking skills. They always got every advantage and seemed to have a huge edge going into every fight recently, and they'd make tons of money doing it.  Boxing is competitive and crooked as hell, and I just thought well these are some pretty good hustlers in a hustlers game. I respect it in a way but it's just no fun to watch anymore.

  • @tommygumport

    yep, in the end its the people paying for a good fight that lose. I'm sick of watching pac fight 8-1 underdogs and be considered some all time great, its a joke.

  • @meyoutoobthem you just spoke my mind bro... i mean what do you expect his opponents to say be4 the fight? oscarknew he was done but lied to all the fans*im ready* im ready my ass and every other opponent that dont belong in the ring with him acting all confident, when fight happens they come to lose anyway(mosley, clottey) i wonder if they were paid off

  • @spankybighead

    clottey clearly took a dive. He could of hurt pac at any time it was so obvious. Look at what pac looked like after the fight, and clottey did nothing. If you watch clottey and margarito, tony threw 1000+ punches in that fight with wraps and clottey fired back at will. Plus clottey said "he had to lose that night" to the african press lol.

  • @keitrie..Pac can be out boxed and that's why JMM has won more rounds in this fight and the first fight. Pac won because of the knockdowns and I don't take that away from him. If you knock a guy down you get more points..a 10-8 round. However it is clear how to box Pac. Counter, lateral movement and a good straight right hand. None of which Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey or Margarito have...none of em. That's why the Floyd fight has to happen. That'll be the true test for both fighters.

  • @spankybighead i might agree to that if this is Pacquiao - Marquez 1... but it's not... On their score card.. Pacman clearly won the fight.. O_O and beside... Can't you see that Marquez can't do what he usually do on other boxer.?? meaning Pacman is different.. LOL if he can trully outbox him.. he won't lose.. RIGHT..?! or do you want me to say that... Marquez failed to outbox him on this 12 round fight... and woahh.. . HO HO~ MArquez won most of the rounds.?? where are you lookin... ??

  • @keitrie Well keep in mind Pac won on the scorecards because he knocked down JMM twice in the 2nd fight. However if you look at the rouds won or lost in the 2nd fight, JMM won more rounds.

  • @spankybighead 1st of all.. even if he's knock down.. he would still win if Marquez really won most of the round... The fact that Pacman manage to land more punches than Marquez is that Marquez can't outbox him... THE fact that pacman's punches are hitting him because he can't outbox him... The fact that Pacman win this fight is because he can't outbox him... dude it's not easy to defeat Marquez you know.. or you want me to say that Marquez was beaten by a boxer that he outbox... ?

  • @spankybighead by the way... There's a rumor about Mayweather... I heard he signed the contract to fight Pacman... hoho.. After refusing to fight pacman.. at last he signed it... well Dela hoya seems to be happy about this.. can't blame him.. the Biggest fight is nearing after all.. O_O Right now.. Mayweather is waiting for Pacman, well Pacman doesn't seem to know it yet... but i guess Pacman know it by now... i still want to see a Pacman-Marquez 3.. but a Pacman-Mayweather.. HOHO. a Must watch

  • @keitrie its a boring fight.. gayweather will run like mosley

  • @keitrie Well I hope so because frankly me and a lot of peopler are just tired of this agree not agree nonsense. Personally I really wish Floyd didn't push the drug test request. I'm not certain if that's a strategy to get into Pac's head, or if he legitimately thinks he's using something or he's plain scared. I hope it ain't later. In any case fight fans keep your fingers crossed and hope and pray some other nonsense doesn't arise.

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  • 10-9 MP

  • Nice... Evenly Match on round 1.. i guess a rematch was worth it.. =) Marquez was still the same Marquez but Pacquiao's completely different.. Pacquiao right hand and combination 's really smooth compared to last time... and the Speed.. =)

  • @keitrie: by the way ... who did you give round 1 too??? i wanna know the rounds that you gave pacman and i also wanna know the rounds that you gave to marquez...

  • @jonasling18 i gave round 1 to pacquiao... Pacquiao obviously won this round.. =) But the fight was so good that i can only say they were almost even...=) (both have good reflexes, accurate punch, timing) hoho... but still Pacman manage to land more punches than Marquez...

  • Im gonna use JMM counter precision attacks when sparring with opponents.

  • I understand the rules,I'm just saying usually a judge wont give a 10round.

  • Honestly think Mayweather will beat Manny if we ever get to see that fight.

  • If manny is to fight Marquez next... And not Mosley or berto(which is what I want to see) then he will DESTROY him this time... Watch the first two tapes... Manny has developed a much more potent arsenal than that devestating left cross.. Don't believe me? Ask. Hatton, cotto, clottey, margarito.... Marquez is a GREAT fighter... He has NO chance despite that

  • it dont matter a win is a win. the judges saw what they saw. pacquiao is just the better fighter. marquez wont be able to beat cotto,clottey or margarito. ok he beat an old ass joel casamayor, juan diaz(got beat by old ass nate campbell), a punching bag michael katsidis. can marquez beat cotto at 147? hell no

  • what a great fight!!!! Too Close to call...but the judges spoke!!!

  • @azkd1422 i agree.. this fight was a see saw battle in my opinion.. really tough to score and it could've gone either way

  • Pacquiao kept Marquez back throughout the round and landed his straight left frequently to Marquez's body. Whenever Marquez tried to counter, Pacquiao either stepped back to make him miss, or blocked it.

    10 - 9 Pacquiao

  • pacquiao marquez 3 @140

  • you guys are on crack if you think pacquiao won the first round...

  • @HexStylee i think that you're the one on crack cuz you cant tell that manny won the first round or you're just another obsessed marquez fan.

  • @bosco4I yeah Pac is definitely on something. It's bigger than roids and gh combined. It's called DAHWF...or determination and hard work, fool!

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  • Watching this leaves no doubt that pacman is on something...his hand speed wasn't nearly as fast as it is now...How can someone with such a small frame hand speed and punching power increase with age and weight...not too mention his activity and punch output has increased since this fight. Floyd is smart not to fight this guy...he's on something...just not sure what.

  • Round 1 was close. It could have gone either way but I give it to Pacman.

  • MANNY WON THE FIGHT. WHAT THE JUDGES SAY, GOES. MARQUEZ LOST. HONESTLY, I WANNA SEE PACQUIAO FIGHT MARQUEZ ONE MORE TIME TO SHUT HIM UP. SCREW SHANE MOSLEY

  • @MrWhitipino i hope ur not filipino, did u know all ur major networks said they believed marquez won the fight??? do ur reserach

  • @K1LLiLLuminati hey smart one, I was referring to the fact that marquez was complaining and that marquez felt he won.... PACMAN won that fight. I'm a pacquiao supporter 4 life son, so chill da fuck out, and yeah, I'm half filipino

  • @MrWhitipino marquez did win, ur own countrymen picked him as the winner on ur phillipine network.......................­....facts,

  • @K1LLiLLuminati It doesn't matter if a network or a bunch of people like you and me pick marquez as the winner. What counts is what the ring judges said. According to the ring judhes, Pacquiao won by split decision, end of story. What the judges say goes.  there should be a Pacquiao-Marquez 3 to shut Marquez up. this fight will be a total victory. Pacquiao is in the prime of his career, and would knock out JMM in 9 rounds or so. Why? Look what he did to Margarito, should have been a 8rd tko

  • @K1LLiLLuminati

    So? Were those Filipino journalists hired by the Nevada State Athletic Commission to score the fights? Nope.

    The only opinions that matter were from the scorecards of Duane Ford, Tom Miller and Jerry Roth, the three judges at ringside hired by the NSAC to score the fights on that night.

    It's a simple solution for JMM, his camp and people who keep saying that JMM won the fight forgot one thing: JMM left the fight in the hands of the judges and paid the price.

  • @K1LLiLLuminati One more thing..... are you even filipino? Do you even watch the Philippine network? obviously not. Get your shit straight, FILIPINOS BACK MANNY PACQUIAO 100% bitch!!!!!!

  • Round 1: 10-9, Pacquiao

  • the filipino won fair and square mexicans should see that and not base their decision based on their own bias (obviously, favoring someone of their own nationality and dishonoring someone else of their merit--pacquiao)

    i mean he beat all the greats, incl de la hoya, margarito...who's next??????????????????????????­???????????????????? vargas???? lol lol!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @mrivastonez their own biast??? LMFAO< hey kid, look at the video marquez vs pacqioau exposed, LOL, it shows how the major networks, and analyst in the phillipines had marquez winning the fight, UR A DUMBASS< LMFAO

  • pinche robo al mexicano

  • marquez win this fight

  • hey everone watch  dis vid pacqioa is king and floyd is a bum /watch?v=-l2WLDu_Ot0

  • one of the best fights ever

  • thse guys are true warriors this is a boxing classic love boxing

  • I saw this fight again last night. I'm convinced more than ever Marquez won this fight. Even with the headbutt Manny put on him. That makes it twice Marquez beat Manny. That's right, Marquez beat him the first time too. Yeah, Manny won the 1st round 10-8. I had Marquez the rest of that fight winning! Say what you want. Vegas Judges suck!

  • i score that round 10-9 pacquiao

  • Anybody who thinks, Mayweathers Stif Jab wont givt Manny fits is stupid.

  • ayeeeeee MARQUEZ(:

  • pacquiao is goin to beat da shit out of gayweather!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pac mab is gon make history

  • pacmans entourage is too gay

    Tysons entourage was the best in boxing history

  • pacquiao-marquez 2 was a seesaw battle. a highly competitive battle. very exciting to watch. its realy tough to score this fight because the action was back and forth..

  • shouldve gone to......SUDDEN DEATH

  • what a close round! pacquiao landed more punches but marquez landed the most memorable punch of this round.

  • the only round marquez clearly won was round 8

  • @gudlukinguy and thats why the phillipines said marquez won right?? LOL

  • @K1LLiLLuminati negative. not me dude

  • everyone says Pacman is on substance but never in a Legitimate Media Article

    how come ?

  • @emforty2 lawsuits!

  • fuck mayweather he realizes that he needs more time and trainning to beat pac man. he pisses off fans what kind of fighter sets up a fight than cancels it. gay gay gay.

  • @alfredoruiz22 silly rabbit! after pacquiao watched mayweather dismantle mosely he told a reporter that in order to beat floyd he'd have to train to become quicker to beat him! so who needs to time to train, huh? i'm almost 100% sure pac is on something! but regardless, if the two fought it would turn out to be a greater mismatch than the may/mosely fight! pac would trouble floyd up until about the 3rd, or 4th, but after that, floyd would make pac look like a pub-fighter! i even see a ko!

  • marquez eats shit and drinks piss

  • @gudlukinguy Pacquiao does EPO

  • and pacquiao eats dogs and cats and shoots peds

  • yawn you fishheads are a fucking bore.

    your mother and i should have gone through the abortion with you. glad i threw your pinay hooker mother to the curb. with a fuher cheater like pacquiao. all you have left if the shit you talk. just wait til mayweather schools your mascot doggie. you will be at jolliebee making excuses why he failed...

  • @desconocidos27 -look at this asshole!! your mayweather shit is avoiding pacman with false accusations.. all we know is mayweather's dick is scared to hell.. he can't fight manny beacuse his daddy's kid is nailed in round 2..

    all u nigga and british fans are just good at making excuses and talkshitting..

    but in the matches all we witness is a pink ass wuzzy and scared nigga who can't take a challenge

  • asskick! ur a bitch!!

  • pacquiao has beaten all the hispanics. specially the dumb mexicans who cannot speak english.

  • he didnt beat this one. that hispanic beat the shit out of that dog eating motherfucker

  • Marquez won this fight, he outboxed Pacquiao...plain and simple

  • i would like to see pacquiao-marquez 3 because its entertaining to watch them.. they put up a great fight for all the boxing fans. they both have great heart..

  • chris82bc.. AGREE!! pacquiao has beaten all.. but not JMM

  • Pacquiao won, but he did not beat Marquez. Not convincingly anyway.

  • I genuinely thought Pacquiao deserved the win in this fight. BTW it really is obvious that Pac`s optimum fighting weight is 140-147lbs and he would blast Marquez out of the ring at either weight.

  • on steroids

  • your on weeds

  • you are in denial

  • you are in the Losers team

  • @desconocidos27 pac man is gon beat da shit out of gayweather an make history

  • @willieMr36 you obviously are biased to this cheater. accept that he is a fraud that is juiced up on roids

  • this is 130 pound title... Pacquiao / Kill / Humiliate marquez in 140 or 147 pounds and by the way pacquiao won both fights!!!! It is what it is!

  • Yeah yeah. And Pacquiao fans also thought by the time of the second fight that Pacquiao had grown to be way too much for Marquez. I think if these two fought 10 times each time would go 12 rounds. There should be a special 15 round fight to cap off the trilogy and that will probably go the distance as well.

  • Marquez beat him.  Plain and simple. Pacquiao knows it. Marquez knows it..

  • agreed

  • The rounds the Pacquiao won were too close but the rounds that Marquez won were obviously for Marquez... but still scoring it based on professional boxing scoring Marquez would not win both fights ... at the most he could is a draw which he luckily got the first fight. Judges are humans who may make mistakes but if you will watch the 2 fights over and over again and score them by professional boxing scoring you will end up agreeing with my observation.

  • @boxingobserver I agree with you but that's the problem with the scoring system, when one guy wins the overall fight and the other guy wins the scoring contest. I think Marquez won the second fight but it wasn't a steal because scoring each round it could have gone to either one.

  • @boxingobserver I do not agree....pac was beaten in both fights. I also liek how you gave all the close rounds to Pacquaio, why does pacquaio get the benefit of the close rounds, Marquez was the champion.

    You are nothing but a typical pac fan living in denial.

  • @Midnightrambler3760 then why did ur phillipines have marquez winning??? do ur research

  • @K1LLiLLuminati Wait wut?

  • @bluezeal17 the day after the second fight between them both, JMM and pac, the major phillipijne networks, on their own channel, in the phillipines said that their boxing analyst all had marquez winner at the end of the fight, along with many commentators, and even major ESPN boxing analyst like kenny, all had marquez the winner, interesting isnt it?

  • @K1LLiLLuminati Shit! Where did you get that information!? Your conclusion is misleading, all of TV network here said that Manny won via score because he Knock the fck Marquez, Clearly Pacquiao won via Knock Out differential.

  • @K1LLiLLuminati I have never seen a Filipino say that Marquez beat pacquaio.

  • @boxingobserver Marquez has now challenged pac for a 3rd fight and requested 145 lbs.

    Pac has advised that he will not give Marquez a catchweight and that Marquez has to come to 147lbs. Isn't that interesting considering that Pac demanded a catchweight for Cotto and demanded 142 lbs for Mosley.

    I have no doubt you will find a way to defend pac's cowardly behavior.

  • @Midnightrambler3760 wohoho... wanna bet? If Manny will win the 3rd fight (which is useless and nothing to proved) you wanna suck my cock?

  • @boxingobserver

    wow, you are on some good shit... Marquez obviously won both fights! He got knocked down three times the first fight, on the first round and then took the fight over from the second round on and they declared it a draw. Then he gets knocked down once the second time they fight and they give the fight to Pacquiao by a single point. You say based on solid boxing, well their is different types of boxing. These two (marquez and pacquiao) are two different types of boxers.

  • If the scoring is by amateur boxing scoring Marquez could have won both fights because Marquez landed more jabs and punches all throughout the fight, especially in Round 8 of the second fight. Amateur boxing is based on the accumulated points.

  • Professional boxing scoring is by rounds... by doing so Marquez will not have a chance to win in their 2 fights of Pacquiao because of the knockdowns. There is an additional point for each knockdown. Actually, Pacquiao should have won the first fight instead of a draw because one judge made a mistake in adding 2 points instead 3 points for the 3 knockdowns.

  • so who did the judges pick to win that night? Huh, who? was it marquez? so stop crying about it!

  • mayweather knock marquez out in the 10th

  • pac man is a bitch he dose not want 2 fight marquez

  • What?! He fought him twice already. You can't spend your whole career fighting the same guy, no one wants to see that.

  • people like you don't want to see that. people who are interested in truly skillful boxers going at it and displaying their prowess are. but you probably just turned twelve.

  • wtf are you talking about?!?! why do you think theres triligies and rivalries!?!? marquez was robbed twice and pac and freddy know that

    why else would they be avoiding marquez

  • LOL Pacquiao was robbed the first time. One judge admitted that he scored the first round 10-7 instead of 10-6 becaues he "forgot" one of the 3 knockdowns. Pac won both fights.

  • Most judges don't go below 10-7...

  • yea because people dont usually go down 3 times in a round. If you know the rules, you know that 3 knockdowns subtracts 3 points IN ADDITION TO the one you lose for losing the round.

  • I understand the rules, I'm just saying usually a judge wont give a 6-10 round.

  • uhm...its 3 knockouts in a round?

  • did you know that that fight was tied? those 3 knocks did not even help the flip

  • Yeah cause one of the judge admitted that he was intoxicated that time and put the wrong score for the first round

  • @douker yes but judges rarely if ever score 10-6 rounds

  • @douker Also...you know that first fight...yeah Pac should have gotten the win but tells the story that if your a really good boxer..and JMM is...you can come back in a fight. JMM did and that's why it's such a great fight. Pac can be out boxed. You just gotta have good lateral movement and great counter punching.

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  • That is the most ridiculous comment I've seen! It's one thing if he's never faced him but he fought him...TWICE! How many shots do you want JMM to get? He beat him and gave him a rematch albeit four years later.

    They will, however, fight again in March after they both lost their upcoming bouts with Mayweather and Cotto respectively.

  • marquez is better than hatton, but floyd should have him covered with his fast skills.

  • Round1=Marquez

  • Hey yourtraveltours, Mayweather only picks fights that he thinks will makes the most money,he really dosen"t know what fight will make the most money,and anyway he is a coward if he gonna pick a fighter in a lower weight class, and all that shit about money is just another excuse to get out of fight Mosely,Cotto,and manny,and as far as money, We as fight fans put money in his pocket, so is this making sense

  • Close round but to Marquez based on 3 late body shots and ring generalship. That round was fought as he wanted it fought.

  • u cant really score a fight with this low video quality.

  • Pacquiao got this round. I don't know how some people gave this round to Marquez. Maybe because of that one power shot the Marquez landed? But Pacquiao definitely landed more power shots. I saw him throw around 3-4 power shots this round. Round 1 to Pacman.

  • But if you saw how they move around the ring you can see that the generalship was totally marquez. He put the distance and was Pacquiao who was looking to break that.

  • Mayweather wud definitely demolish JMM no doubt.JMM s a great boxer but he just cant match Manny Pacmans win everytime he wanted to put on a show.JMM knows Pacman wud eventually have to face PBF so he decided to go there first to outshine Manny if he ever defeat PBF but i highly wud doubt he can.

  • jaja.. cuauhtemoc blanco

    whit the marquez title!

    hahah lol x)

  • Hey JPRichardon, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO FUCKING ADD YOU IDIOT!

    if pac won rounds: 1,3,4,9,10,11(1 more point for the 3rd round knockdown) then his score is = 114

    If marquez won rounds: 2,5,6,7,8,12 then his score is = 113

    Overall score: 114-113 Pacquiao is the WINNER!

  • Pound per pound just means the most exciting boxer to watch. Floyed can retire forever if he wants and the pound per pound he can't keep with him forever.