I'm a veteran twice of Iraq and I see a man who has the attitude of the son of an Admiral that was given a free ride through the Naval Academy. POW status aside, I have no respect for the man. The IAVA graded him a D on support of his very own, fellow veterans for education, health care etc. He doesn't stand for us and seems to have no respect for us. He just believes we should be a given vote for him. And because of that he will not get my vote and shouldn't from veterans. He hasn't earned it.
lets try a little something called google. all you have to do is type "john mccain's record with vets". now... have fun. here's a sample of the truth awaiting your discovery.
He scored a "D" while Obama scored a "B" from the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the largest Iraq veteran non-partisan group in the United States. Hey, I didn't make this stuff up. Its just fact.
Get mad at the vets doing their research and keeping record if you don't like it.
It was a Republican president who lied to the UN & the American people for reasons of war and placed our troops in harm's way. Over 4,000 US troops are dead, over 30,000 wounded, over 4,000 coalition are dead, 1.2M innocent Iraqis are dead, 4.1 Iraqis are misplaced, & the Republicans have no plan to get us out of Iraq. Bush, Inc. should be in prison for treason! And McCain's no better, approving 90% of Bush's failed policies.
War really brings out an undefined ugliness in life ... sad. It is very sad.
Thank you to all those that serve and have served.
Though, most importantly Thank You to all that have come back and shared how needless this war is. That is true courage.
Coming home after risking your lives to protect this country and being treated with no integrity is a disgrace. Especially those who see the truth about war. War solves nothing. War is not a solution, never has been and never will be.
A man once said "If you seek peace, then prepare for war." War often is the only solution. It has been the solution since the Earth was born. We can't talk it out and use diplomacy with Al Qaeda or the Taliban. The only thing they care about is martyring themselves for the "Jihad" against the "Great Satan." Liberals are idealists and it's going to get us all killed.
LOL, you like the AFSC? War diverts health care? Perhaps the AFSC shouldn't be ripping off a donor who left money for low cost loans for poor med students... Maybe people who promote socialism should pay their taxes on workers' wages.
If socialists won't follow their own ranting, finger pointing advice, why should anyone?
Hypocrites make poor leaders, so reconsider what the AFSC says.
Who said anything about the AFSC? I had to google it just to figure out what the fuck you were talking about. Your rants about socialism are humorous, considering the Republicans in office just made America a socialist nation with the bail outs. You're not a veteran, and you don't seem to understand basic definitions of socialism and communism. If you are against socialism and communism, you should be against the republicans utilizing those very practices right now, fat boy. You're an idiot
Aren't you a bit old to be using "LOL?" Oh, I forgot, you have the intellect of a child. I can't wait to run into your fat ass. I'd sneak up on your ass and give you a little scare next time I'm in PA, but I wouldn't want to cause you to have a heart attack. Obese people are prone to that, you know. Hurry up and die already, you hateful, obese, turd
Lol. Why are you arguing with him? I may not know much off this IVAW stuff and what not however Raouldeming is 53 supposedly, going by his profile. Typing middle aged person on youtube. Brainwashed lemming who contributes nothing but bullshit, spent a life time in following lies. Debating with such a person would be similar to trying to teach a rock tricks. It doesn't take a sixteen year old to figure that out.
You've got a lot of hippie values, like hating America. Where's your criticism of the IVAW and "Walkin' To New Orleans"? They spent 6 days showboating when they could have been helping.
It's really sick that they went down to get themselves a pat on the back instead of offering a hand up.
And yeah, that whole bullshit was a repeat, right down to the 60's rip off, "every bomb dropped in Iraq explodes in NOLA".
And somehow, being called a traitor by a communist supporter / believer in witchcraft (Palin) doesn't bother me.
With the economy going down the tubes under conservative rule, it would be wise to invest your money into something intangible. I think you should go to school. Get an education. Maybe then you won't be so stupid, and we can actually have a logical debate... Commie scum.
It won't take 30-40 years for people to understand that the IVAW are a bunch of traitors.
Very soon you will be despised the way the VVAW are, told that you are no longer brothers to other veterans because you betrayed veterans like the VVAW betrayed their generation.
Then the IVAW will better hope that the VFP rock is big enough to hide under with the VVAW cockroaches.
I am not in VFP, Mr. Deming. I like how you pronounce Camilo's name, you fat idiot. Your fundamentals of Spanish are synonymous with your fundamentals of Communism. Its funny that you have spent so much of your life accusing people of being Communists, and now your Republican representatives are practicing Communism themselves in order to try and salvage our economy. Your support for them means that you support Communism in the United States. You're a fat, dumb Communist, Raoul. FATTY!!!!!
VFP is the rock under which your VVAW puppet masters have to hide because the other veterans despise them, just like someday soon veterans will despise the IVAW.
I didn't realize what little credibility you have, Raoul. I assumed someone with such slanderous things to say about a segment of combat veterans would at least be a combat vet himself, but you're not. You're nothing. You're an obese, arm-chair commando, riding on the coattails of his sons credibility. I was given nine decorations for my honorable service in the war. I have more credibility than you could ever dream of having. Keep beating your chest, like all the other non-veteran fakes
Comnbat vets and deserters, and out right frauds like Jesse Macbeth.
Any combat vet with a brain and some self-respect would not be in IVAW. Those combat vets with a brain and self respect are out fighting IVAW's Big Lie that all our troops are baby killing war criminals.
IVAW is a re-run of Vietnam by the VVAW, not one thing has changed in their plan of action, not one new protest. Every last one is a repeat.
You don't have "decorations" you have "Merit Badges For Murder". That's what your VVAW puppet masters called them as they threw their's over a fence at the Capitol back in the day.
Since Turner re-enacted that at Winter Soldier 2.1, though into the audience instead of the Capitol, stick to the VVAW script, "Merit Badges For Murder".
No I do not have Merit Badges. I have medals. You don't have shit because you never served a day in your life.
"Any combat vet with a brain and some self-respect would not be in IVAW."
That's something you're not qualified to determine because you have no personal experience in that demographic. Like it or not, I'm a decorated combat veteran, and you aren't. You have zero credibility.
"How many of the 9 were Thanks For Coming?"
At least I went, you fat fuck. That's a lot more than you can say
Yeah, yeah...that whole thing about civilain control over the military, but you clowns swore an oath to the Constitution, yada, yada, guess you forgot that point.
All of a sudden you guys are Tojo or Bismarck who want decisions about war left to the professional military class.
Funny you want to be considered a decorated vet, but the IVAW goes out and smears their own military generation left and right with Winter Soldier 2.1
I don't "want to be considered" a decorated vet, dummy. I am a decorated vet. The only person smearing vets and supporting communists here is you, Raoul.
I did pledge to the constitution. That was an act that you were too chicken shit to do. I am not a Veteran for Peace, Raoul. I am far from that.
Your IVAW puppet masters are VFP, VFP offers you a free menbership. VFP provides IVAW with 501(3)c tax benefits.
Keep displaying either a willingness to lie about the tie between VFP and IVAW or are you really that uninformed about who is in charge of your own group and how it functions?
I am not lying about a tie between IVAW and VFP. I'm well aware of it, and I don't agree with it. As far as I'm concerned, that's been a kink IVAW should have worked out by now. My views are not black and white just because I am a member of a group, fatty. I have my own opinions. Fatty foods are your puppet master. Why don't you fuck off and go get some liposuction?
Just like the VFW, IVAW is not a group exclusive to combat veterans. IVAW has never claimed to be that, however, I personally am a combat vet, and you are just a tough talker. You had a chance to serve, just like everyone else. You were just too much of a selfish coward to give a portion of your youth to Uncle Sam, and now you are overcompensating for your prior cowardice by trying to act like John Wayne. John Wayne avoided WWII because he was a coward, just like you are, slim.
Did you just call someone a REMF? That is a term designated for actual veterans, you pathetic wanna be. You have no respect for veterans, and your death will be premature as a result of your obesity. That's a good thing for everyone else though.
Nope, I was asking if you were going to call one of your own who wasn't your sainted definition of a "combat vet" one.
IVAW folks like to thrown that out there, "combat vet" like they can insult others, but there's plenty of folks in your own ranks that don't pass your test either.
Nice comeback. Refuting just one of three of my references by committing sophomoric libel? Of course the CIA has been responsible for multi-homicides and coups, you simpleton. Just google "Operation Northwoods" for one example. You can download the declassified documents from the GWU archive. Now how about you show me some declassified Gov. documents to backup your statements? God, you're stupid. What, do you work for the government or something? Arguing with you is fun. Its so easy to win
Your accusations have no base. I don't hate America. I just understand history and appreciate facts over glamor. Everything I've stated is archived and factual. Everything you said has been baseless and subjective. You're an idiot, and you should get a vasectomy to insure your substandard genes do not plague future generations.
Its not a lie, moron. You can't even accept reality when its backed up by US government documents. I wasn't blaming America. I was presenting an example of murder in the name of patriotism as per your request. Do you have ADD or something? You can't even remember the origins of the CIA in this conversation. I regard people that can't accept reality as extremely weak individuals. You're weakness disgusts me. America is awesome, the best, but it would be even better if you migrated elsewhere
Yeah, yeah, VVAW, IVAW good, America bad. I know your song, heard it before in the 60's hippie.
I paid the cost of for a tractor tariler to deliver relief supplies to Katrina. The whole truck load. What the hell did you do but hang out and bitch about things?
I ran thousands of pounds of food and supplies to camps outside of the ninth ward's central relief hub. I spent months by myself down there. You assume you know my personal contributions and you don't know shit. "hippie?" I was in a unit that shattered previous combat records, I've still got a high and tight and I'm far from a pacifist, you jackass. Its become quite apparent that you're incapable of trading blows on an intellectual level. Your mental weakness is really beginning to bore me
[Everything you've stated has been subjective, so how am I supposed to say your opinions are wrong? Don't mix facts with opinions.]
Here you go, chew on this. Scott Camil from VVAW is a big IVAW guru now. Scott wanted to assasinate the hawks in Congress back in the late 60's, early 70's.
Tell me how multiple homocide and a coup is patriotic?
VVAW are your puppetmasters, even the Katrina "March" was a repeat of the "Mississippi - Vietnam, Same War" rhetoric of the VVAW.
"Scott Camil wanted to assasinate the hawks in Congress back in the late 60's, early 70's."
SO WHAT?
"Tell me how multiple homocide and a coup is patriotic?"
You seriously need an example? Are you that ignorant? Ex: John Brown, George Washington, the CIAs' role in WWII, etc.
Also, my time in NOLA was a repeat of nothing, you jerk. Bash that march all you want. I already told you that's not what I was talking about, but you can't seem to stay on point. And try using spell check, little fella
How incredibly narcissistic of you to assume you are the almighty protector of an entire generation of combat veterans. You haven't done shit for us, except stalked the IVAW segment of this generation. STALKER!!!
The only thing you're "seeing to" is that I have a mild form of entertainment between homework assignments. Beyond that, your efforts here are going unnoticed. Funny you spend so much time rambling to me when I'm not even an active member anymore and haven't been for almost 2 years. The active members will just view you as an annoyance. I think you're funny though. Everything you've stated has been subjective, so how am I supposed to say your opinions are wrong? Don't mix facts with opinions.
You really, really get pissed when I let people know who IVAW is. Like the VVAW, you're ashamed of what you're doing and don't want it out there, just the myth you sell to people.
There were more VVAW at the IVAW re-run of Winter Soldier than there were IVAW. You had only about 50 IVAW at the RNC. Heck in the one photo of the last march, there were a lot of shirts that said "supporter" so it may have been less.
An event that didn't re-enact VVAW? OK, how about Hurricane Katrina relief efforts in Slidell, LA? How about The original IVAW deployed tour?
You think I'm a puppet? That's fine. I think you're a loser. You should try to get a life and stop spending your free time attacking the character of strangers from the safety of your home office, or wherever you are typing. Maybe you just need a girlfriend to chill you out, you loser.
I spent months in NOLA living in an abandoned camper with lizards and insects, running food and supplies for volunteers, keeping their camp clean. And I didn't make a penny from it. Perhaps you should address your concerns to the VFP board of directors in a professional manner instead of endlessly ranting on a teenager's social networking site, like some hate-filled loser. You're attacking nothing. Nobody's listening to you here. Nobody cares about what you have to say here. Get a clue.
The VFP are your patrons, the ones who put IVAW in business and collected $500,000.
Where's the audit, the transparancy, the accountability?
Ops, I orgot, it your buds so they get a pass.
Professional manner? LOL, you're a joke. IT will be professional when your VFP puppetmasters publish not only the audit, explain why they admitted to screwing up for at least $50K and have a public record on the investigation of misconduct.
Show me those, you're a mensch, till then you ain't.
I've advocated a published audit on the 500k for years. If the money was laundered, those responsible should be imprisoned. I don't know why you assume I give anyone a pass. You have never met me, and you have no idea what my personal views are. I'm "a joke with no integrity?" OK, you're a late-term adolescent with deep-seeded anger issues, and your preemptive personal attacks destroy your integrity. Now do you want to meet at the flag pole after school? Cuz I'm pretty sure I can take you.
There you go again, the Veterans For Peace puppets threatening violence again.
Provide a link to your calling for the audit and I'll re-evaluate my opinion of your intergrity.
How about telling the world here about Wade and Gordo?
So far it's been a whitewash with nobody on the left publically calling for justice.
As far as Marching To New Orleans, that was an exercise in narcisism. Count up the time spent courting media interviews versus "hammer time". Not much help was provided.
I am not even in Veteran's for Peace. I never have been. Responding to your hostility isn't a threat, little fella. You criticize Marching to NOLA for its time spent on marketing, yet you request I provide media to you to prove my opinions? Irony or hypocrisy? How bout you provide me with a link of your opinions? I don't know who Wade and Gordo are, and I wasn't even talking about Walking to NOLA anyway. I was talking about the Thanksgiving IVAW spent in NOLA reconstructing veteran's homes.
YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENT: Now do you want to meet at the flag pole after school? Cuz I'm pretty sure I can take you.
YOUR LATER STATEMENT: Responding to your hostility isn't a threat, little fella.
It's very clear that you lie.
Wow, ten people over a weekend and two homes, add in the one muniteny where the IVAW refused to march until the roofed that lady's house. Not much but better than nothing, but why just two WHITE vets? NOLA is a city of color?
I don't know. Race didn't really occur to me as it is obviously an issue to you. And you have to be a real panzy to consider my original statement asking if you want to meet by the flagpole a threat, lil' guy. So what do you do for fun other than stalk IVAW members, you creep? I'm done with you. Get a life. Try doing something you can be proud of instead of attempting to minimize others' relief efforts. Your hatred will die along with your shitty generation. Have fun being hate-filled.
Race mongering was a big IVAW issue, remember Bill "Run Away" Perry's SUV, "Kanye Was Right"?
Funny, IVAW clowns go around talking about coup de'tats and citizen warrents and if someone notes it that's stalking. Then police must stalk criminals and that's a good thing.
Minimize others? How about IVAW's Winter Soldier lies that called this generation of military baby killing war criminals?
Forget the "hater" excuse so you can ignore reality. But IVAW will be as hated as VVAW by vets.
so, your apparently a person of principe, not a hypocrite right? I take it then that you will adhere to your principles of labeling anyone who supports the IVAW by condemning the US Army and US congress for not taking legal action against a refuser.
SGT. Matthis Chiroux, who refused to deploy to Iraq in May, received a letter from the US Army saying that they will not prosecute him for his refusal. He has also received support for his decision from 13 members of congress.
IVAW repeated the myths that their VVAW puppet masters perpetuated against their own generation back in the 60's/70's that caused so much pain for the Vietnam veterans and stole their valor like a thief in the night. All for anti-American political purposes.
It wasn't good enough for them that Vietnam was wrong, that can be debated reasonably, or even that America was wrong, people died for freedom of speech to say things that really upset people, but trash the troops, they're bastards.
The myth that is consistently repeated is that war is a glorious endevour that brings out the best in humanity. We see it in movies, on TV, and in video games. Most veterans know and admit that that is not the reality of war. Anyone who has the courage to punch through that propaganda is called a traitor.
I suppose Eugene Sledge is a traitor for talking about war trophies and how war is a waste of human life. You'd better run to HQMC and tell Commandant to remove that book from his list!
LOL, I'm not calling them traitors for pointing out the horrors of war. A lot of what the IVAW pawns off as "war crimes" is just that.
Have it your way, I'll take their word for it that you're a baby killing war criminal, someone who will be a ticking timebomb living under the bridge in the park.
That was part of why I called them traitors, but you've convinced me they're right. And being "ringers" at the ANSWER march where they say unconditional support to al-Qaeda, let's forget that.
The amusing thing about the guilt by association game is that it permits people the option of ignoring the validity of what the other guy is saying.
There are people I know what would completely disregard my opposition to the war because I gave a speech to a group of Democrats. At a McCain fundraiser protest in Atlanta there were teamsters, Republicans, and yes, even socialists, protesting against McCain. Which group are you going to attack me for being associated with?
Really, when you're leaders, guys like Barry Romo who was on the first panel of IVAW's Winter Soldier re-enactment, you're either really clueless or Revolutionary Communist Party too.
BTW, ask around, Barry Romo just went ape shit on Scott Camil. Who you going to side with for your leadership, the Commie or the druggie who wanted to assasinate Congress?
I live with the shame of being seen with Teamsters and Republicans. There's no peace sign big enough to hide your shame.
I'm a veteran twice of Iraq and I see a man who has the attitude of the son of an Admiral that was given a free ride through the Naval Academy. POW status aside, I have no respect for the man. The IAVA graded him a D on support of his very own, fellow veterans for education, health care etc. He doesn't stand for us and seems to have no respect for us. He just believes we should be a given vote for him. And because of that he will not get my vote and shouldn't from veterans. He hasn't earned it.
Killwich 3 years ago
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lets try a little something called google. all you have to do is type "john mccain's record with vets". now... have fun. here's a sample of the truth awaiting your discovery.
He scored a "D" while Obama scored a "B" from the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the largest Iraq veteran non-partisan group in the United States. Hey, I didn't make this stuff up. Its just fact.
Get mad at the vets doing their research and keeping record if you don't like it.
sexymomma20 3 years ago
It was a Republican president who lied to the UN & the American people for reasons of war and placed our troops in harm's way. Over 4,000 US troops are dead, over 30,000 wounded, over 4,000 coalition are dead, 1.2M innocent Iraqis are dead, 4.1 Iraqis are misplaced, & the Republicans have no plan to get us out of Iraq. Bush, Inc. should be in prison for treason! And McCain's no better, approving 90% of Bush's failed policies.
lthom33 3 years ago
McCain has consistently voted AGAINST bipartisan bills for our vets.
Thank you - all our brave veterans - for risking the ultimate sacrifice for the rest of us. We support you always - in our hearts and in our minds.
John McCain is NO hero. He's hardly even a man.
flagsandstaff 3 years ago
For us? Not really. They risked their lives so they can get back home after fighting a war for old men in suits that hide behind desk. >:(
I support them getting the fuck out of this bullshit. >:(
SpraxIAKS 3 years ago
Chuck Baldwin 08!!!!!!!!!!
annonimuse 3 years ago
War really brings out an undefined ugliness in life ... sad. It is very sad.
Thank you to all those that serve and have served.
Though, most importantly Thank You to all that have come back and shared how needless this war is. That is true courage.
Coming home after risking your lives to protect this country and being treated with no integrity is a disgrace. Especially those who see the truth about war. War solves nothing. War is not a solution, never has been and never will be.
bfreeume 3 years ago
A man once said "If you seek peace, then prepare for war." War often is the only solution. It has been the solution since the Earth was born. We can't talk it out and use diplomacy with Al Qaeda or the Taliban. The only thing they care about is martyring themselves for the "Jihad" against the "Great Satan." Liberals are idealists and it's going to get us all killed.
treestump401 2 years ago
Our family's hearts and $upport are with the IVAW ... You fight the right cause.
imbabci2 3 years ago
LOL, you like the AFSC? War diverts health care? Perhaps the AFSC shouldn't be ripping off a donor who left money for low cost loans for poor med students... Maybe people who promote socialism should pay their taxes on workers' wages.
If socialists won't follow their own ranting, finger pointing advice, why should anyone?
Hypocrites make poor leaders, so reconsider what the AFSC says.
raouldeming 3 years ago
Who said anything about the AFSC? I had to google it just to figure out what the fuck you were talking about. Your rants about socialism are humorous, considering the Republicans in office just made America a socialist nation with the bail outs. You're not a veteran, and you don't seem to understand basic definitions of socialism and communism. If you are against socialism and communism, you should be against the republicans utilizing those very practices right now, fat boy. You're an idiot
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
Aren't you a bit old to be using "LOL?" Oh, I forgot, you have the intellect of a child. I can't wait to run into your fat ass. I'd sneak up on your ass and give you a little scare next time I'm in PA, but I wouldn't want to cause you to have a heart attack. Obese people are prone to that, you know. Hurry up and die already, you hateful, obese, turd
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
Yeah, you're for peace, you fought for my right of free speech, and all the other lies the IVAW pukes tell.
raouldeming 3 years ago
I am not a Veteran for Peace, slim. I never have been. I don't know how many times I have to tell you that before it will sink into your fat skull.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
Lol. Why are you arguing with him? I may not know much off this IVAW stuff and what not however Raouldeming is 53 supposedly, going by his profile. Typing middle aged person on youtube. Brainwashed lemming who contributes nothing but bullshit, spent a life time in following lies. Debating with such a person would be similar to trying to teach a rock tricks. It doesn't take a sixteen year old to figure that out.
SpraxIAKS 3 years ago
Its just to pass time while I'm studying.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
SprakIAKS - You are on the right track. Put simply and more precisely for you: Our young men and women are sent off to defend old men's property.
(PS. Why the vulgarity? Does that make you feel tough? No offense intended - just wondering about that.)
BTW: Please don't forget to vote Obama on November 4.
flagsandstaff 3 years ago
It's just how I express myself.
SpraxIAKS 3 years ago
You've got a lot of hippie values, like hating America. Where's your criticism of the IVAW and "Walkin' To New Orleans"? They spent 6 days showboating when they could have been helping.
It's really sick that they went down to get themselves a pat on the back instead of offering a hand up.
And yeah, that whole bullshit was a repeat, right down to the 60's rip off, "every bomb dropped in Iraq explodes in NOLA".
raouldeming 3 years ago
Get a life, loser.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
Name calling, that's all you've got. You haven't been able to refute anything I've posted.
And for a guy who's the #9 on the IVAW lineal, you don't seem to know much about your own org.
raouldeming 3 years ago
Conservatives are the new communists. Way to support government purchasing of private firms. Thats Communism, you commie dirt bag
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
Somehow, being called a dirtbag by an IVAW traitor isn't much of an insult.
IVAW: Wining Hearts And Minds For al-Qaeda on the North American Front Since 2004
raouldeming 3 years ago
And somehow, being called a traitor by a communist supporter / believer in witchcraft (Palin) doesn't bother me.
With the economy going down the tubes under conservative rule, it would be wise to invest your money into something intangible. I think you should go to school. Get an education. Maybe then you won't be so stupid, and we can actually have a logical debate... Commie scum.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
It won't take 30-40 years for people to understand that the IVAW are a bunch of traitors.
Very soon you will be despised the way the VVAW are, told that you are no longer brothers to other veterans because you betrayed veterans like the VVAW betrayed their generation.
Then the IVAW will better hope that the VFP rock is big enough to hide under with the VVAW cockroaches.
raouldeming 3 years ago
You have no clue that IVAW is just a VVAW scam to replenish their ranks not yours.
Back in 2002 the VFP discussed how their ranks were thinning and the membership was aging.
That's why the VFP provide a year's free membership to IVAW pukes. You will be the neo-traitors to be assimilated by the VVAW Borg.
raouldeming 3 years ago
I am not in VFP, Mr. Deming. I like how you pronounce Camilo's name, you fat idiot. Your fundamentals of Spanish are synonymous with your fundamentals of Communism. Its funny that you have spent so much of your life accusing people of being Communists, and now your Republican representatives are practicing Communism themselves in order to try and salvage our economy. Your support for them means that you support Communism in the United States. You're a fat, dumb Communist, Raoul. FATTY!!!!!
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
VFP is the rock under which your VVAW puppet masters have to hide because the other veterans despise them, just like someday soon veterans will despise the IVAW.
raouldeming 3 years ago
I didn't realize what little credibility you have, Raoul. I assumed someone with such slanderous things to say about a segment of combat veterans would at least be a combat vet himself, but you're not. You're nothing. You're an obese, arm-chair commando, riding on the coattails of his sons credibility. I was given nine decorations for my honorable service in the war. I have more credibility than you could ever dream of having. Keep beating your chest, like all the other non-veteran fakes
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
Comnbat vets and deserters, and out right frauds like Jesse Macbeth.
Any combat vet with a brain and some self-respect would not be in IVAW. Those combat vets with a brain and self respect are out fighting IVAW's Big Lie that all our troops are baby killing war criminals.
IVAW is a re-run of Vietnam by the VVAW, not one thing has changed in their plan of action, not one new protest. Every last one is a repeat.
How many of the 9 were "Thanks For Coming"?
raouldeming 3 years ago
You don't have "decorations" you have "Merit Badges For Murder". That's what your VVAW puppet masters called them as they threw their's over a fence at the Capitol back in the day.
Since Turner re-enacted that at Winter Soldier 2.1, though into the audience instead of the Capitol, stick to the VVAW script, "Merit Badges For Murder".
raouldeming 3 years ago
No I do not have Merit Badges. I have medals. You don't have shit because you never served a day in your life.
"Any combat vet with a brain and some self-respect would not be in IVAW."
That's something you're not qualified to determine because you have no personal experience in that demographic. Like it or not, I'm a decorated combat veteran, and you aren't. You have zero credibility.
"How many of the 9 were Thanks For Coming?"
At least I went, you fat fuck. That's a lot more than you can say
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
Yeah, yeah...that whole thing about civilain control over the military, but you clowns swore an oath to the Constitution, yada, yada, guess you forgot that point.
All of a sudden you guys are Tojo or Bismarck who want decisions about war left to the professional military class.
Funny you want to be considered a decorated vet, but the IVAW goes out and smears their own military generation left and right with Winter Soldier 2.1
raouldeming 3 years ago
I don't "want to be considered" a decorated vet, dummy. I am a decorated vet. The only person smearing vets and supporting communists here is you, Raoul.
I did pledge to the constitution. That was an act that you were too chicken shit to do. I am not a Veteran for Peace, Raoul. I am far from that.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
Your IVAW puppet masters are VFP, VFP offers you a free menbership. VFP provides IVAW with 501(3)c tax benefits.
Keep displaying either a willingness to lie about the tie between VFP and IVAW or are you really that uninformed about who is in charge of your own group and how it functions?
raouldeming 3 years ago
I am not lying about a tie between IVAW and VFP. I'm well aware of it, and I don't agree with it. As far as I'm concerned, that's been a kink IVAW should have worked out by now. My views are not black and white just because I am a member of a group, fatty. I have my own opinions. Fatty foods are your puppet master. Why don't you fuck off and go get some liposuction?
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
Just like the VFW, IVAW is not a group exclusive to combat veterans. IVAW has never claimed to be that, however, I personally am a combat vet, and you are just a tough talker. You had a chance to serve, just like everyone else. You were just too much of a selfish coward to give a portion of your youth to Uncle Sam, and now you are overcompensating for your prior cowardice by trying to act like John Wayne. John Wayne avoided WWII because he was a coward, just like you are, slim.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
The options were lying or unware. You can't claim you're not in one class of the othere.
"I don't agree with it" ????
Interesting position, like me saying the sun rises in the East and sets in the West, but I don't agree with it.
I love how a lot of IVAW say, "I don't agree with the treason part of IVAW" as an excuse for why they tolerate the treason part.
raouldeming 3 years ago
And oh yeah, you're a "combat" vet so I take it Mike Blake is a REMF for being a ULLS jockey?
raouldeming 3 years ago
Did you just call someone a REMF? That is a term designated for actual veterans, you pathetic wanna be. You have no respect for veterans, and your death will be premature as a result of your obesity. That's a good thing for everyone else though.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
[Did you just call someone a REMF?]
Nope, I was asking if you were going to call one of your own who wasn't your sainted definition of a "combat vet" one.
IVAW folks like to thrown that out there, "combat vet" like they can insult others, but there's plenty of folks in your own ranks that don't pass your test either.
raouldeming 3 years ago
If you served in a combat zone, you are a combat vet. Blake falls under that, dumb ass.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
[If you served in a combat zone, you are a combat vet. Blake falls under that, dumb ass.]
OK, new rule, no more IVAW bragging on having a CIB because Blake's a ""combat veteran"" too.
The guy's a contradition, a CO who wants to fight Americans.
raouldeming 3 years ago
CIA in WWII?
Really...
What other lies do you tell?
raouldeming 3 years ago
Nice comeback. Refuting just one of three of my references by committing sophomoric libel? Of course the CIA has been responsible for multi-homicides and coups, you simpleton. Just google "Operation Northwoods" for one example. You can download the declassified documents from the GWU archive. Now how about you show me some declassified Gov. documents to backup your statements? God, you're stupid. What, do you work for the government or something? Arguing with you is fun. Its so easy to win
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
So how long have you hated America?
Why do you always blame America first?
You should leave.
raouldeming 3 years ago
Your accusations have no base. I don't hate America. I just understand history and appreciate facts over glamor. Everything I've stated is archived and factual. Everything you said has been baseless and subjective. You're an idiot, and you should get a vasectomy to insure your substandard genes do not plague future generations.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
"Your accusations have no base. I don't hate America."
Go back and read all the Blame America First BS you posted, especially the CIA lie you tell.
raouldeming 3 years ago
Its not a lie, moron. You can't even accept reality when its backed up by US government documents. I wasn't blaming America. I was presenting an example of murder in the name of patriotism as per your request. Do you have ADD or something? You can't even remember the origins of the CIA in this conversation. I regard people that can't accept reality as extremely weak individuals. You're weakness disgusts me. America is awesome, the best, but it would be even better if you migrated elsewhere
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
Yeah, yeah, VVAW, IVAW good, America bad. I know your song, heard it before in the 60's hippie.
I paid the cost of for a tractor tariler to deliver relief supplies to Katrina. The whole truck load. What the hell did you do but hang out and bitch about things?
raouldeming 3 years ago
I ran thousands of pounds of food and supplies to camps outside of the ninth ward's central relief hub. I spent months by myself down there. You assume you know my personal contributions and you don't know shit. "hippie?" I was in a unit that shattered previous combat records, I've still got a high and tight and I'm far from a pacifist, you jackass. Its become quite apparent that you're incapable of trading blows on an intellectual level. Your mental weakness is really beginning to bore me
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
[Everything you've stated has been subjective, so how am I supposed to say your opinions are wrong? Don't mix facts with opinions.]
Here you go, chew on this. Scott Camil from VVAW is a big IVAW guru now. Scott wanted to assasinate the hawks in Congress back in the late 60's, early 70's.
Tell me how multiple homocide and a coup is patriotic?
VVAW are your puppetmasters, even the Katrina "March" was a repeat of the "Mississippi - Vietnam, Same War" rhetoric of the VVAW.
raouldeming 3 years ago
"Scott Camil wanted to assasinate the hawks in Congress back in the late 60's, early 70's."
SO WHAT?
"Tell me how multiple homocide and a coup is patriotic?"
You seriously need an example? Are you that ignorant? Ex: John Brown, George Washington, the CIAs' role in WWII, etc.
Also, my time in NOLA was a repeat of nothing, you jerk. Bash that march all you want. I already told you that's not what I was talking about, but you can't seem to stay on point. And try using spell check, little fella
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
nicholasp31313,
Tell you what I'm proud of, I helped see to it that the IVAW and it's VVAW puppet masters don't get to smear another generation of military.
That will not happen, that' why Winter Soldier 2.1 was ignored and won't go anywhere.
raouldeming 3 years ago
How incredibly narcissistic of you to assume you are the almighty protector of an entire generation of combat veterans. You haven't done shit for us, except stalked the IVAW segment of this generation. STALKER!!!
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
I'm seeing to it that traitors like the VVAW don't do to this generation what they did to their own generation.
They only thing IVAW hasn't done yet is to meet with al-Qaeda for surrender terms like their VVAW puppetmasters did with the NVA and Viet Cong.
Or make tapes like Al Hubbard did for broadcast from Hanoi.
Did you get to shake Jane Fonda's hand in DC in January 2007 when IVAW shilled for Code Pink?
Haven't seen you point out anything I've stated isn't true, just "stalking"...
raouldeming 3 years ago
The only thing you're "seeing to" is that I have a mild form of entertainment between homework assignments. Beyond that, your efforts here are going unnoticed. Funny you spend so much time rambling to me when I'm not even an active member anymore and haven't been for almost 2 years. The active members will just view you as an annoyance. I think you're funny though. Everything you've stated has been subjective, so how am I supposed to say your opinions are wrong? Don't mix facts with opinions.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
You really, really get pissed when I let people know who IVAW is. Like the VVAW, you're ashamed of what you're doing and don't want it out there, just the myth you sell to people.
There were more VVAW at the IVAW re-run of Winter Soldier than there were IVAW. You had only about 50 IVAW at the RNC. Heck in the one photo of the last march, there were a lot of shirts that said "supporter" so it may have been less.
Where did all that travle money go then?
raouldeming 3 years ago
I was the 9th person to join IVAW. IVAW is no one's puppet. We are adults that think for ourselves. I couldn't be prouder of this organization.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
nicholasp31313,
LOL, tell me what event that IVAW ever did that wasn't a re-enactment of a prior VVAW protest.
You don't even have a clue.
You're a puppet, just check how your contributions become tax deductable.
What VVAW members work at your Philadelphia HQ almost full time?
I'll wait for you to take this integrity test.
raouldeming 3 years ago
An event that didn't re-enact VVAW? OK, how about Hurricane Katrina relief efforts in Slidell, LA? How about The original IVAW deployed tour?
You think I'm a puppet? That's fine. I think you're a loser. You should try to get a life and stop spending your free time attacking the character of strangers from the safety of your home office, or wherever you are typing. Maybe you just need a girlfriend to chill you out, you loser.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
I attack treason not character.
Where's the $500,000 meant for the victims that your puppet masters collected for the victims?
Your VVAW / VFP puppet masters even sent $50,000 after the fact in aknowledgement that there was wrongdoing on their part.
Hold Bush accountable? That's laughable because the VVAW and IVAW have no intergrity.
YouTube shows protests, where's the IVAW swinging hammers instead singing songs?
Ripping off Katrina victims is really low.
raouldeming 3 years ago
I spent months in NOLA living in an abandoned camper with lizards and insects, running food and supplies for volunteers, keeping their camp clean. And I didn't make a penny from it. Perhaps you should address your concerns to the VFP board of directors in a professional manner instead of endlessly ranting on a teenager's social networking site, like some hate-filled loser. You're attacking nothing. Nobody's listening to you here. Nobody cares about what you have to say here. Get a clue.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
The VFP are your patrons, the ones who put IVAW in business and collected $500,000.
Where's the audit, the transparancy, the accountability?
Ops, I orgot, it your buds so they get a pass.
Professional manner? LOL, you're a joke. IT will be professional when your VFP puppetmasters publish not only the audit, explain why they admitted to screwing up for at least $50K and have a public record on the investigation of misconduct.
Show me those, you're a mensch, till then you ain't.
raouldeming 3 years ago
I've advocated a published audit on the 500k for years. If the money was laundered, those responsible should be imprisoned. I don't know why you assume I give anyone a pass. You have never met me, and you have no idea what my personal views are. I'm "a joke with no integrity?" OK, you're a late-term adolescent with deep-seeded anger issues, and your preemptive personal attacks destroy your integrity. Now do you want to meet at the flag pole after school? Cuz I'm pretty sure I can take you.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
There you go again, the Veterans For Peace puppets threatening violence again.
Provide a link to your calling for the audit and I'll re-evaluate my opinion of your intergrity.
How about telling the world here about Wade and Gordo?
So far it's been a whitewash with nobody on the left publically calling for justice.
As far as Marching To New Orleans, that was an exercise in narcisism. Count up the time spent courting media interviews versus "hammer time". Not much help was provided.
raouldeming 3 years ago
I am not even in Veteran's for Peace. I never have been. Responding to your hostility isn't a threat, little fella. You criticize Marching to NOLA for its time spent on marketing, yet you request I provide media to you to prove my opinions? Irony or hypocrisy? How bout you provide me with a link of your opinions? I don't know who Wade and Gordo are, and I wasn't even talking about Walking to NOLA anyway. I was talking about the Thanksgiving IVAW spent in NOLA reconstructing veteran's homes.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENT: Now do you want to meet at the flag pole after school? Cuz I'm pretty sure I can take you.
YOUR LATER STATEMENT: Responding to your hostility isn't a threat, little fella.
It's very clear that you lie.
Wow, ten people over a weekend and two homes, add in the one muniteny where the IVAW refused to march until the roofed that lady's house. Not much but better than nothing, but why just two WHITE vets? NOLA is a city of color?
raouldeming 3 years ago
I don't know. Race didn't really occur to me as it is obviously an issue to you. And you have to be a real panzy to consider my original statement asking if you want to meet by the flagpole a threat, lil' guy. So what do you do for fun other than stalk IVAW members, you creep? I'm done with you. Get a life. Try doing something you can be proud of instead of attempting to minimize others' relief efforts. Your hatred will die along with your shitty generation. Have fun being hate-filled.
nicholasp31313 3 years ago
Race mongering was a big IVAW issue, remember Bill "Run Away" Perry's SUV, "Kanye Was Right"?
Funny, IVAW clowns go around talking about coup de'tats and citizen warrents and if someone notes it that's stalking. Then police must stalk criminals and that's a good thing.
Minimize others? How about IVAW's Winter Soldier lies that called this generation of military baby killing war criminals?
Forget the "hater" excuse so you can ignore reality. But IVAW will be as hated as VVAW by vets.
raouldeming 3 years ago
so, your apparently a person of principe, not a hypocrite right? I take it then that you will adhere to your principles of labeling anyone who supports the IVAW by condemning the US Army and US congress for not taking legal action against a refuser.
SGT. Matthis Chiroux, who refused to deploy to Iraq in May, received a letter from the US Army saying that they will not prosecute him for his refusal. He has also received support for his decision from 13 members of congress.
nellenmellen 3 years ago
1,200 IVAW out of 1 million Soldiers. That's like much less than 1%.
Add the USN, USMC and USAF and these guys represent nothing.
BTW, the IVAW are puppets of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War who labeled their fellow vets as Baby Killing War Criminals.
The VVAW even had the IVAW pukes replay the Winter Soldier Baby Killing War Criminals smear against this generation.
raouldeming 3 years ago
Yeah, shame on IVAW for not perpetuating myths we learned from Hollywood about war!
Rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble!
ls1z28chris 3 years ago
IVAW repeated the myths that their VVAW puppet masters perpetuated against their own generation back in the 60's/70's that caused so much pain for the Vietnam veterans and stole their valor like a thief in the night. All for anti-American political purposes.
It wasn't good enough for them that Vietnam was wrong, that can be debated reasonably, or even that America was wrong, people died for freedom of speech to say things that really upset people, but trash the troops, they're bastards.
raouldeming 3 years ago
The myth that is consistently repeated is that war is a glorious endevour that brings out the best in humanity. We see it in movies, on TV, and in video games. Most veterans know and admit that that is not the reality of war. Anyone who has the courage to punch through that propaganda is called a traitor.
I suppose Eugene Sledge is a traitor for talking about war trophies and how war is a waste of human life. You'd better run to HQMC and tell Commandant to remove that book from his list!
ls1z28chris 3 years ago
LOL, I'm not calling them traitors for pointing out the horrors of war. A lot of what the IVAW pawns off as "war crimes" is just that.
Have it your way, I'll take their word for it that you're a baby killing war criminal, someone who will be a ticking timebomb living under the bridge in the park.
That was part of why I called them traitors, but you've convinced me they're right. And being "ringers" at the ANSWER march where they say unconditional support to al-Qaeda, let's forget that.
raouldeming 3 years ago
The amusing thing about the guilt by association game is that it permits people the option of ignoring the validity of what the other guy is saying.
There are people I know what would completely disregard my opposition to the war because I gave a speech to a group of Democrats. At a McCain fundraiser protest in Atlanta there were teamsters, Republicans, and yes, even socialists, protesting against McCain. Which group are you going to attack me for being associated with?
ls1z28chris 3 years ago
Really, when you're leaders, guys like Barry Romo who was on the first panel of IVAW's Winter Soldier re-enactment, you're either really clueless or Revolutionary Communist Party too.
BTW, ask around, Barry Romo just went ape shit on Scott Camil. Who you going to side with for your leadership, the Commie or the druggie who wanted to assasinate Congress?
I live with the shame of being seen with Teamsters and Republicans. There's no peace sign big enough to hide your shame.
raouldeming 3 years ago
Your familiarity with IVAW appears to extend no further than the search function of YouTube.
ls1z28chris 3 years ago