(Part 4 of 4) Lessons about destroying the ego/self from the film Revolver by Guy Ritchie.

[vidalmontoy]

who has practice this...... something to destroy the ego

[CatSkinCap]

Macha is crying during the last minutes and his eyes widen. Is this because he too has realized the truth of Sam Gold?

[osbogosley]

Check out imbatman57 at talkshoe.com. Type it in the search.

[osbogosley]

To oppose something is to maintain it.

[Alkinoos7]

The ego they're referring to is the lower one. The higher one is the one that must prevail, the one that causes real good to one self, through truth, serenity and peace.

[jtunello]

Sounds like a bunch of Egos, obviously a few people on this post did not absorb the message of this clip, tisk tisk!

[youngcitybandit85]

@hrhaus they represent his ego.

[HrHaus]

Hello. Sry my english is not very well. I am German.. so could someone pls explain me, what he means with "we are you" at 3:34? Thx guys.

[ninteenseventyfree]

@neb0jsha @themanningsjdsjjj Would you two please kindly take your insoluable debate to private messaging or elsewhere? Comments are appreciated but we like to see everyone's views and not just the two of yours, which you seem to have well established by now. Thank-you.

[PhYz1098]

@ninteenseventyfree it's an interesting word, "insoluble"

Hermes Mercurius Trismegistus "Not every body is dissolveable" "Some bodies are dissolveable" "That which may be dissolved is also corruptible"

hehe well met, nineteenseventyfree ... Truly the Truth abides in this case in apparent statutory, "difference of opinion"

and as such i'm almost sure such opinions and selves are, most likely - to change.

For them who "won't see it coming"

:D

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj Right now, Im sitting in the shade of this park, listening to fountain and sound of kids playing, waiting for my gf. Not even if today was your "judgement day" would it convince me that the world isn't beautiful.

Ill answer more in depth about ur narrow minded, sexist, discriminating comment when i get home, as its a bother to type on the phone...

[TheDarkHadoken]

@Neb0jsha @ themanningsjdsjjj you 2 are both right.The world is beautiful when we are living as one whole world together in harmony without pride and ego and greed, and the world is filled with ugliness because of people being driven by their egos and greed to do horrific acts against humanity for a momentary instant gratification(stealing or killing for drugs,rapists/pedophiles, and institutions controlling and shaping our minds while we fork over hard earned $ to churches,mosques, & etc)peace.

[giocanales13]

"If you try destroy him, to save them, they'll destroy you, to save him".

If you understand this, you will understand why so many Religions in this world

fighting each other. God didn't create Religions, People's mind (satan) did the job.

[ninteenseventyfree]

@neb0jsha It doesn't actually say it in the film, but in an interview with the film-maker and leading actor, they say that Sam Gold represents Satan. Regardless, Sam Gold will have you believe whatever he wants you too, as long as you keep believing that that voice in your head, telling you he doesn't exist, is coming from you and not him.

[Neb0jsha]

I missed the part which says Sam Gold is Satan? I mean, its not said anywhere in the movie? Because, if movie was made outside these religious concepts, why would u pull Satan or whatever into it?

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

It is contained, subtly in the line, "this is his world".

Christ tells us that Satan is the "prince of this world".

Wake up Mr. Green.

Let's get very radical.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj Only if you watch it in religious concept. I really hate ppl mixing religious stuff into things that arent religion related. And quite strangly, while i was hearing this part about enemy, thought that occured to me was that ego described here can strangely be replaced with god...

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Depends on your definition of religion.

Spiritually speaking, was you said is close.

The ego sits on a throne inside of your head, where Christ is suppose to sit (King of kings, understand?).

The ego on that throne is being controlled by Satan instead of you (he is smarter than you), so you are listening to him instead of Christ.

When Christ sits in your throne instead of your ego, you can be in contact with God instead of controlled by Satan.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj I don't believe in religion. But my definition of it would be something made to manipulate people. I found this movie very good and teaching without mixing religious concepts into it. We all have that little voice (ego), or at least I have and for that I think everyone else has it, since I am not able to hear what other people have in their heads, which weight us down often. It has prevented me from doing lots and lots of things, I should have done,

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Your definition of religion, as it exists in the world today, is correct.

All organized religions are doing just what you describe.

This is not according to you and me, but Christ himself.

He taught that all organized religions are wrong. We should speak to God alone, in private, 1 to 1.

That is what Christ did. We are to be like Christ in everyway, esp. when we relate to God and our fellow man.

So you have an advantage in fully knowing God - religion is not in your way.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

An ancient Inca chief, a wise old man of the sixteenth century, who for many years had led his people in the worship of the Sun. One day he astounded his tribesmen by announcing that he could no longer lead them in the act of Sun worship because, for a long time, he had perceived that the Sun rose and set at exact times throughout the year, and moreover, that the Sun repeated that exact routine every year.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Thus he had come to the conclusion that the Sun was subject to a law. Behind that law there must be a Supreme Being Who was the Designer and Administrator of that law. He could from henceforth but lead his people in the worship of that unknown but Supreme Being to Whom the Sun was so utterly subject.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Now you can see why the writer of the movie chose to hide things he was really saying from being easy to see.

Sublty is sometimes neccessary for those that have eyes closed.

"Living is easy with eyes closed". - John Lennon.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj Nice story about Sun and Inca. Sun follows laws of nature, which we cannot explain. And we might be able to, some day. We might not. We might even find solid proof of Creator, I don't deny that. But you referenced Bible to me. It does not say some creator, it says God. Christian God. Which makes it a totally different story.

In the Bible, which I presume you read, because you referenced it to me, how much people did that God kill? How much inconsistent rules are there?

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

It was not just a nice story. It was designed to teach, just like the movie. There were 2 concepts presented to you. One was to show how easy it is to be deceived by what you believe to be the truth as opposed to what the truth really is. The second is that "just nice stories" are not just nice stories. The contain the truth. The Bible and The Koran and not just nice stories. They are guides given by God that contain the truth. You must seek the truth in them to find the truth.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj Even if Creator exists, I really do doubt he is anything like God from Bible. And if he is, I will not follow him. So, either way, im on the same track.

And, now we know universe is so vast. Did that Creator make it just for the sake of humans? For the sake of Earth? If there is Creator, I doubt it. So, even if Creator exists, I doubt he cares about what humans do...

Religion is, as you agreed tool to control people. God and Satan are concepts for that same purpose.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

You ask very good questions. There is a very good book that has been written by someone that helped to create that movie. This book does contains information about the questions you are asking.

If you like, I can post a link where you can download it.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj And I do not have idea how humans came into being. Yes, timeline is off as you said. But so is timeline in the Bible. World creation in 6 days? Proving evolution wrong, doesn't prove your theory right. There might be some third thing not yet discovered.

Now, that's why I don't like theist-atheis discussions. You have your belief, I have mine (or lack of it). There is sadly no way for it not to go down to what it has become.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

you really should read the bible again because you are missing way too much.

First, in Genesis 1:1 all of creation was completed and in full form.

Something happened to the earth between verse 1 and 2.

2 Peter 3:5-7 clearly says so. So does Isaiah 45:18 and so does Genesis:

1:28 and 2:4. The seven days of Genesis were a "reconstruction".

What happened to the earth? Read Isaiah 14 and Revelation 12.

Billions of people, some before you were even born, believe in God are we all fools?

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj Belief is a touchy subject. Billions of people believed that Earth is flat, that doesn't make them fools. They did believe in foolish things though.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

And how many of them that held that belief ever stepped foot on a boat and sailed around the world?

Zero. That's how many. None until Magellan. Totally based on what "they said". Basically it does make them stupid. Believe in something without researching it. Or denial of something without researching it. Samething.

How about probability? Consider it a numerical science? Just because you can't see Kansas doesn't mean it is a myth. I sure can't see it from here.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj Isn't religion just that? Believing something totally based on what "they said". As for your Kansas example, how about Flying Spaghetti Monster, Santa, Cyclops, Invisible Pink Unicorn etc. I sure can't see them, it doesn't mean they exist. Or you are telling me they are?

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

How many times do I have to tell you, religion is not, I repeat, not a believe in God.

Religion is a manipulation of people USING their belief in God to control them by making up falsehoods, and stupid rites and rituals that have nothing to do with a Creator.

Open your eyes and see. You are a Spirit, not a human body. That body will die in less than 100 years from today. But you do not die. Ask any person that had an NDE. And if you need your own for proof - Go on a FAST.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Food for thought:

A cascading probability - The accumulated probability that multiple, independent but chained events are just a coinscidence.

First. The big bang. Calculate the probability that a random explosion from a single point of matter can evolve into an intelligent system

which contains multiple, independent structures and systems that will function at precise measurable and predictible patterns.

AND

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Second. In just one of the above independent systems, life evolves from additionally totally random processes, on a planet that is just randomly positioned correctly from a random star (that also randomly has a long, stable life span itself) nd develops random rotation and axial movement properties that create a perfect environment for life forms and that the life forms have a randomly perfect symbiotic relationship. (i.e, biosphere principles)

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

and that the top level of these life spans is capable of understanding the overall intelligent system.

AND

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Third. That future events that arise on this planet that have exactly been fortold by people hundreds of years before the events occurred randomly, on this random planet, in this random solar system, in this random galaxy, on this random arm of this galaxy, in this random universe, that randomly sprang into being at a whim.

And that their prophetic accounts survive over a thousand of years later - intact.

AND

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Fourth, Now that you have rapped your head around that number, factor in this one: The big bang accomplished all this on 1 attempt. NO PRACTICE RUN.

The cascading probability is the factorial of these multiple, independent but chained events (A!B!C!D).

There is not enough computing power on this planet to calculate the odds against all the above being a coinscidence.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

The odds that you will win the lottery everyday of your life and that your children win it everday of their lifes and that their children win the lottery everyday of their lifes are better odds than the above.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

I don't about you, but given those odds, I am betting there is a Creator.l

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj Ok, the Creator you speak about might exist. But, what does he have to do with religion. As you said nothing. What does he have with Bible then? Did he sit down and write it? I kinda doubt that. What does he have with Christ even?

As you have said, universe was created in 1 attempt. But universe is vast, our planet is nothing more then 1 speck of dirt inside it. Why would Creator take interest of us. And why would he preach those values from Bible, you speak so highly of?

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

How old are you? You are making no progress.

Go ahead and live alone in darkness and be happy.

Make no attempt whatsoever to think and understand.

No wonder God is hiding from you. You know it all. You don't need him.

That is the way a parent would teach a stubborn child. You think you can do it all on your own, your own way.

I would let my child try all on their own and not interfere. Wouldn't you?

If you want proof of God, keep His laws. He said he will show Himself to you

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj Now that is why I said its best for you to tell me name of the book you mentioned, and we call it quits on this argument. But no... And here we are. All of these discussions always boil down to one point. And it is ad hominem arguments. No exception. I have even been told that I am "bastard, because of which I can't see "God"".

I don't need him.

On the other hand, I am not in the darkness. In fact, I see more clearly then when I was blinded by faith.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

You are not a bastard. You are a disobedient child of God, just like everyone else on this prison planet.

That's right, prison planet. We ARE the fallen angels that followed Satan and were cast out onto the earth because we thought we did not need God. We are imprisoned here until the Last-Day when we are judged by God Himself to advance or be destroyed by Fire. So, can you handle the Truth or not?

jahtruth net wayad htm (dot before net slash after net dot before htm)

Enjoy.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj I have been very religious until 2 years ago. And then, I realised that some simple truths about Bible and god. And I don't need to worship that kind of god. Or in fact, why do I need to worship anyone? But, as you so kindly pointed me to read the Bible again, you do it. Just focus a bit on the Old Testament... Can you even count how much people god killed? How much doesn't he follow the rules he set?

And new testament is only tiny bit better.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Rule number one: Not 1 single person on this earth has ever died.

Many, however, have shed their body.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj Also how about women? What is the standpoint in bible about them? That they should be obedient to men. Same in Koran, you also said was god's book(I did not read Koran, but I do have some muslim cousins, got enough info from then). You really believe that?

And I am sure that if you believe strong enough and abide by His rules, Flying Spaghetti Monster will reveal Himself to you. He Boiled For You!

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Rule number 2: Women.

God created MAN in His image, 1st and before a woman was made. Why? Because God had a mission for man.

Why was woman created? To be a help mate for man. To help MAN do God's will.

If a woman does this, she is the perfect woman in God's eyes.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj And lastly, I will use quote from Epicurus:

"If god is unable to prevent evil he is not omnipotent. If god is not willing to prevent evil, he is not good. If god is omnipotent and good, why is there evil?"

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Rule number 3:

Even Epicurus was made by God, just like you and me. He too was a prisoner here. If he saw the light and discovered God, good for him. If he did not, guess what? Reincarnation is real, folks.

He was sent back to try again.

Evil exists BECAUSE THIS IS HELL. SATAN RULES IN HELL. DUH.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Understand the movie yet?

We are prisoners in this prison body on this prison planet ruled by the King of the insane, Satan.

He uses your own Ego to keep you trapped in your body and delusinal so you never wake up and discover God

and live forever. WE ARE ALREADY UNDER A DEATH SENTENCE. If we do not wake up (Mr. Green) and overcome Sam Gold, WE WILL SURELY DIE. In the fire on the Last-Day. Read it.

If you don't believe, then at least wear gasoline shorts so you burn faster.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj I said I won't discuss anymore, but to this I have to answer. I sadly do not believe in reincarnation either, but I do think reincarnation would be nice. This world, this life, is beautiful. Do not call it a curse, do not call it a hell. If, by not believing in god, I will be reborn again, its one more reason not to believe in god.

As to your thoughts about women, well all i can say: NO COMMENT

You should wake up. Go out, and enjoy life. This life. It is all you have.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Beautiful? C'mon just look:

This world is filled with greed, murder, child-molesters, whores, homosexuals,drugs, war-mongers, satanists, rich/poor, pollution, diesease, death, you name it. And to you this is beautiful? The earth is beautiful;it was made by God. Christ said clearly before you were born, He knew you. Now why if we were with God would we now be here? Because we fell. Hell is to be were God is not. We are here to learn and advance so we can go back.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

You really prefer to believe that humans evolved from a slime pit filled with goo?

If you study the geographic timeline of the earth, you can easily confirm the goo theory is false.

DO the research. The timeline, as the scientists present it, all by itself, prove humans don't fit into the timeline.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj In the end it just becomes argument without proof of either side. You seem to me like well read, educated person, and I don't want to argue pointlessly with you. And this is not rly the place.

But you can tell the name of the book you mentioned in previous message, I will be sure to find it. :)

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj until i learned that its often wrong. No need to bring god, satan or christ into it. But, on the other hand, I saw god in the place of it, because religion is excuse for so many crimes to be commited.

"Without religion, good people do bad things, and bad people do good things. To make good people do bad things, we need a religion". I used to be religious person. That, too prevented me from doing alot of things, things I now regret not doing.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

The movie is expressing the concepts I just described to you.

The writer intended to bring God into it.

Belief in a Creator is not the same thing as religion.

Not at all. Religion, as it exists in this world, has nothing to do with God's will.

It is under Satan's control and misleading everyone.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

"The greatest con he (Satan, Sam Gold using your ego) ever pulled is making you believe that he is you".

Deep. And true.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

The movie is "didactic", which means "to teach".

It has a message. And there are many things in this movie.

You are Mr. Green.

You are "asleep" ("wake up, Mr. Green") unaware of who you are and what you are doing here (Playing God's chess game of life against a smarter opponent, Satan).

You do not advance until you defeat him.

That is step one in this game.

When you are ready for step 2, let me know.

It is hinted at when they tell Green he is in prison, and he never left.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj So, I let myself go of my ego, or at least i try to, and I let myself go of religion (think it was a success). So, I don't want to be offensive with these comments, but to me, comparing ego with religious concepts is very bad. If I manage to drive "satan" from that throne, I certainly won't let christ sit on it. Let it be empty for all I care.

"If you change rules of what controls you,..." Does it really go down to christ or satan?

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

Letting go of your ego is something you must do everyday, every moment.

You need to remove religion from your mind completely.

What you need to understand is who you really are.

You are a spirit that was made by God and you were placed into a human body.

If you have ever read the Bible, you should know this is true.

Whether you believe or not, it is true. To not believe the truth is, well, not smart.

If a bullet is coming your way, not believing it, doesn't make it not true.

[Neb0jsha]

@themanningsjdsjjj I did remove religion, I am just saying concepts you are introducing are religious. As a matter of fact, I did read the Bible. Very powerful book., made lots of things clear to me. That was the book that had the power to make me from believer to full fledged atheist.

To not believe bullet is not smart at all, i agree. But the fact was gotten by having actual proof of what would happen if a bullet hit me. And proof bullets do exist.

I will believe in god when i see proof also.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@Neb0jsha

The idea that we have a Creator is a truth period. Not a religious truth.

Waiting for God to prove Himself to you on your terms will never happen.

Each and everyone of us have to discover God all on our own.

Here is how an ancient Inca chief discovered that God must exist...

[ninteenseventyfree]

@RonnieBlack444 "If you try to destroy him (Satan -the ego) to save them (the people who are controlled by Satan - the ego), they will destroy you to save him". "He's (Satan's) in every one of their heads, and they trust him because they think they are him."

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@ninteenseventyfree

"and if you change the rules of what controls you, you can change what you can control".

[ishmaelovic]

@ninteenseventyfree i understand wery vell..

[mipake]

@ChuckNorrisKratosLOL Thank you, someone got it. Lol

[Yoyo378]

this is beyond words.

Coz Now i see. Everythink what whant separate me from myself is him who try to trick me. He not tell me he is me, he think its obvious for me.

I met one soul who tell me about truth.

when i always ask who it is it not answer.

Now i know why,

Coz it knowed when i will have ansfer Ego will separate me from him

Now I know. Everythink what is copied is not Me

Now i Know only what is coming from myself is my

Without hestigating and repeating copy pasted to my head from society

[mipake]

It kinda makes me mad to learn that the American version has cut out what, I personally believe, is very important to the film's development.

[Ktingles6]

@mipake the movie did terrible in the box office im pretty sure (because people didnt get the depth, and it takes multiple watches to understand). so guy richie edited it and tried to get a better reaction out audiences. at least thats what i read, i could be wrong. id love to see the british version

[Provizorikum]

Where can I download this edition?

[ninteenseventyfree]

@Provizorikum Get the British version of the film by Googling: "revolver torrent axxo".

[Provizorikum]

@ninteenseventyfree thanks!

[vendetta89]

@ninteenseventyfree Are there notable differences in the British version?

[ninteenseventyfree]

@vendetta89 Yes. It's worth watching the British version.

[mrzack888]

this is like fight club

[TheLovesoul1]

(0.0)

[CrewNinja117]

It's all one big chess game.

[TheLovesoul1]

@CrewNinja117 your playing this game with yourself!

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@TheLovesoul1

"The game is scheduled, you have to play it, you might as well win".

[LivENoToNEviL0]

they reveal satan's secrets he must be pissed off now hahaha

[fntime]

@LivENoToNEviL0 Are you?

[LivENoToNEviL0]

@fntime Are you?

[AngelicAquarius1983]

what if ego was creation of satan....

[SangriaStud28]

@AngelicAquarius1983 That's my general belief. I don't think we can understand the full extent of what Satan is yet Deepak Chopra apparently claims too which is a sign of his pride and ultimately his ego manipulating him into thinking he understands what Satan and the ego is. He's being tricked into thinking he "knows" something by his ego which is a tool of Satan and ultimately fools him into thinking he has outsmarted both Satan and his ego when he's actually played into their hands. I think.

[FRGP2]

@SangriaStud28 U speak wisely. Humans are not designed to outsmart Satan, so this will never happen- not even angels can outsmart the beast. He took 1/3 of heaven's angels with him. Humbleness & Humility are the tools to counter ego (easing God out). Love is the medicine for fear (fuk everything and run or face everything and recover). When ego fails, he masquerades as an angel of light. Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God that ye maybe able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

[SangriaStud28]

@FRGP2 Thanks for the compliment. My eyes really opened after I accepted the fact that I ultimately KNOW nothing, I only believe things. This is a hard concept to explain to people because the ego despises it and will convince them otherwise, it hurts one of his best tools, pride. As it says in the movie, "If you try to destroy him to save them, they will destroy you to save him." I've seen people go ballistic when you question something they "know" (especially on the topic of religion).

[ninteenseventyfree]

@SangriaStud28 and @FRGP2 - Nice discourse. Thanks.

[lakid87]

@SangriaStud28 religion might be a touchy subject in some parts of the world, but try questioning the materials people believe is a reflection of themselves; ie bmw, stainless steel *name brand* oven, their armani suits, and plush offices.....they really get defensive when you critique these ideas and beliefs

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@FRGP2

Satan was in fact the 3rd smartest being in all of creation.

Alone, we are no match for him.

[themanningsjdsjjj]

@SangriaStud28

Deepak, he is a rookie.

Learn from The Master.

[TheLovesoul1]

@AngelicAquarius1983 its a creation of the mind and an attachment!

[fatblokesagas]

Satan is a creation of the Ego.

However the term and broad depth of Ego is itself vast and wide. Ego was the reason he went to prison. Ego was the reason he tricked Macha out of his money which lead to all the incidents and events. All caused by one simple idea. Formulated by the Human ego.