Ulster has a right to seperate, and Protestants have the right to rule as a majority, if you don't like it, your problem is with democracy, catholics have worked so hard to destory our state but in the end they only destroy themselves with their bankrupt bitch of state with a bleeding arsehole from gettin fucked by priests and now banks
@Ramone198723 No YOU are the one who has a problem with democracy, there is NO protestant majority in Ireland, never has been, you can't just gerrymander one into existence, hence Northern Ireland has no right to separate, and like the thick uneducated hun that you are, you fail to realize that half of Ulster is in the republic, the other half is a pathetic leeching little illegal stalelet that can't stand on it's own two feet and has to suckle off Englands teet.
@OpeningSalvoe all states are man made!, by that logic the USA is illegal, I'm proud to be a hun, and I'm very well educated, your state is nothing but papal princapilty where priests dips their dicks into kids and no law worth a dam to stop any of them
@Ramone198723 States are made only with the consent of the majority of their people, so Northern Ireland is illegal because it exists in defiance of the wishes of the overwhelming majority of Irish people. Your "state" is a pathetic scrounging handout dependent little wartorn shithole that has never been able to stand on it's own two feet, you'll take handouts from anyone, even from us.
@Ramone198723 im athiest and even i think there should be a united Ireland and im also American. Just because the majority of people who want a united Ireland are catholic doesnt mean anything, the irish people have the right to live in a untied Irealand for the Irish and if English wish to stay then fine i have no problem with imigrants just realise that In Ireland there should just be Ireland, get the terriorist Brits out!
@eamon4800 lets get some facts right first, fact one you can hardly spell and I'd guess you probaly failed at school, fact two, the majority of people in Northern Ireland are British and want to remain that way, fact three you're a yank and what happens in Ireland is none of your fucking business
@eamon4800 Nazi war criminals were given safety in Ireland after the war and lived here under assumed names sanctioned by the government. The killers, responsible for some of the worst ethnic cleansing atrocities of World War 2, were told that Ireland would welcome them. Ireland shunned the Jewish victims while protecting the ruthless anti-Semites. The US was worried that Ireland would become a haven for war criminals and believed its neutrality had jeopardised the war effort.
@eamon4800 Some serious war criminals, along with smaller fry, were able to use Ireland to escape retribution. The worst, and also the most intriguing, case was the escape to Ireland of Andrija Artukovic. As minister of the interior in the pro-Axis Ustase regime in Croatia during the war, Artukovic organised genocidal killings, chiefly of Orthodox Serbs, involving horrific barbarity
@eamon4800 One of the most interesting details iin this period in history was the revelation of anti-Semitic attitudes in Irish officialdom. Charles Bewley in the Department of External Affairs was probably the most outspoken, but more effective was the way in which Peter Berry succeeded in quietly sabotaging efforts to accept Jewish refugees
@eamon4800 It is a testimony to the existence of a deep-rooted, if probably semi-conscious, anti-Semitism in Irish society that de Valera, when challenged by Oliver J. Flanagan in the Dáil, denied that 500 children given refuge in Ireland were in fact Jewish.
@eamon4800 The Breton nationalist Celestin Laine, who commanded a Breton militia, the Bezen Perrot, which operated as an auxiliary unit of the SS and was particularly effective against the Resistance in Britanny, may have been in touch with the Irish consulate in Paris before his arrival in Ireland in 1947. Laine, an admirer of the IRA, was able to live quite freely in Ireland, and some interesting archive footage survives from the 1970s.
@eamon4800 In a letter to de Valera in 1944 the then US Representative in Ireland, David Gray, demanded that Ireland refuse entry to any Nazi war criminals who sought refuge here. But de Valera was furious and saw the demands as America trying to tamper with Ireland's new sovereignty. That, coupled with his belief that the Nazi movement was a nationalist force just like Ireland's republican movement, urged him to open our doors to Hitler's top soldiers.
@eamon4800 Regarding Andrija Artukovic one reporter researching the case stated "I think it is strange that a man responsible for a million deaths could live quietly here with nobody asking who he is or how he got here. I have discovered there is a file on this man in the Department of Foreign Affairs, but the Irish Government have refused my request to release it."
@eamon4800 While the Red Cross struggled to find temporary homes in Europe for many victims of the concentration camps, Ireland refused to help. Author Dr Bryan Fanning says that Ireland's actions exposed it as an anti-Semitic country. "After the war there was a widespread view in Government that a Liberal policy towards Jews would not be taken. "There was a strong view that they didn't fit in and wouldn't become part of our society," he says
I can't understand how you proud Irish people let your government support Kosovo self proclaimed independence. They are not freedom fighters,they do not fight for justice or their faith. Kosovo so called government are a group of criminals, smugglers and killers. They even harvest human organs and sell them on black market.
Serbian and Irish people are so much alike. We are divided by political borders.
For united Ireland and united Serbia!! Let God help us all. Greetings from Serbia.. .
@Odeon1991 We dont have a government we have masters ..... If the Irish people had real democracy we wouldnt be handing our natural resource to some fat nazi fuck in germany. I apologise for my profane language but im extremely unhappy with what Ireland has become
@calebviper Thats where i got the song from! I love that movie i watch it all the time! <3 Brad Pitt when he was younger! Fail at an northern irish accent tho lol
I was born the year of the Omagh bomb i dont want any more trouble... yes i wud like one Ireland but i would not kill for it. Inocent police officers who serve us are being blown up because of a religion. I wish it wud stop!
@saintfield100 Yes I agree, you'll get no argument from me, precisely because you made your point in a civilized and mature way instead of just coming on this page to abuse me simply for uploading this video. Which is more than I can say for most people on here. Peace.
@saintfield100 inocent police officers are being blown up by the ira no matter what their religion is! ira has said they will kill them no matter the religion.
@LordWellington15 Fool you've already surrendered, you've surrendered 5/6 of the country and now you're sharing power with your sworn enemies isn't it high time you came to KNOW SURRENDER.
A hundred years from now those people who called for Ireland's "independence" will be regretting the day they left the union, when the BRITISH isles have become the economic vassals of Berlin and the sociopolitical vassals of Brussels. All you Republicans should know that your so-called independence has bought by the EU. Let the economic collapse of the Irish republic be a lesson to all promoters of discord and schism. ONE CAN BE IRISH AND BRITISH AT THE SAME TIME!
@powereddrive These promoters of discord and schism will ALWAYS be here, until every single last blade of grass in Ireland has been brought back under Irish rule, you can count on that. Whatever problems we're facing now things were never as bad as they were when Ireland was in the union, we've never looked back since we achieved independence and kicked britain out of our country and we never will.
Really? Last I heard more Irishman died in the civil war (You Republicans cannot stop killing each other) than in the so-called war of independence. Enjoy being continental slaves!
At least you admit it, what you want is not really independence but an excuse to keep murdering your fellow Irishmen. And the so-called "occupation" merely gives you another excuse. Though I bet you do no killing yourself, I bet you live far in the west (or in America where support by Americans calling themselves Irish for the IRA is still strong) where the propaganda of Fianna FAIL is taken for Republican dogma.
@powereddrive Fellow Irishmen? Last I heard the people you speak of considered themselves british, or Scots Irish or Anglo Irish. We have no desire to kill our own in this country, but there will ALWAYS be those who will fight to remove the british presence in Ireland, ALWAYS because britain never has nor does it now have any valid claim to any part of Ireland, not so much as one blade of grass.
And what does it matter what they claim to be? You would have them killed because they put in a hyphen, and qualify their Irish identity? You would kill them for that? I say nationalism is a scourge of mankind. We share a language, a religion, and hold a common history, for the sins of the past there is blame to be assigned on all sides, but the threat to Irish sovereignty comes not from London, but from Berlin. You would be Kosovo, you would be the tool of the continentals!
@powereddrive No but like anyone else we've always been prepared to fight and resist, (and if that means kill) any foreign power which tries to annex our country. Nobody has ever been expected to apologise for that. The British certainly wouldn't apologise for doing everything necessary to prevent their country from being occupied by Germany during WW2 so why should we apologise for being prepared to defend ours from British occupation? The only scourge on mankind is IMPERIALISM always has been.
@belfast1990 i think that ni are not irish and that if nothing happnes soon they should change there name becouse they have 2 choises join us or leave us there will be on gray area in the future
@coirpeach1 If you went to prison then it was most probably for terrorism, not for your beliefs. We don't lock people up simply for what they believe.
Ireland is one island but that doesn't mean that it should be one state. Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom and bombing civilians and policemen isn't going to change that.
@coirpeach1 Financial reasons? That's a joke, right? The "Celtic tiger" turned out to be more of a domesticated cat and the Northern Irish economy is heavily subsidised by the British government. A united Ireland would be disastrous from an economic point of view.
Here's a reason for keeping Northern Ireland in the UK; there would be a war if it joined the Republic.
@coirpeach1 I am willing to bet quite a bit of money that you are not Irish, but rather a North American or Australian who likes to think of himself as Irish because it's "cool".
Ireland is too small to wipe Britain out, so get over it.
You still haven't given me any reason to believe that Northern Ireland should join the Republic; you've just whined about things that happened in the past.
@VanDoodah I've given you a PERFECTLY valid reason for why NI belongs to the Irish, you have not been able to offer a rebuttle to it because you know i'm right, and I am Irish. As for Ireland not being able to wipe britain out, what are you talking about, we've done it before haven't we lol.
May I also point out that you ignored (or even deleted) my point that Ireland is in a comparable situation to Britain here. Britain is an island (with smaller outlying islands, just like Ireland) with three different peoples; the English, the Scots and the Welsh. Do you think that a Scottish or Welsh nationalist would take me seriously if I said that "Britain is one island, therefore we should have one government"? I seriously doubt it. The same thing applies to Ireland...
@VanDoodah "Do you think that a Scottish or Welsh nationalist would take me seriously if I said that "Britain is one island, therefore we should have one government"? I seriously doubt it" hahahahahahaha!! THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU HAVE ONLY ONE GOVERNMENT FOR CENTURIES?!!! Thank you for making my point, I rest my case, on a final note however, I will say AGAIN, there is not now, nor had there EVER been a democratic majority of people in Ireland who wish to be british!!! Hence NI is ILLEGAL.
@OpeningSalvoe You're an idiot. Scottish and Welsh (and English) nationalists ignore the fact that we are one island and want separate governments. If you promote Irish nationalism on the basis that Ireland is an island then you must oppose Scottish and Welsh nationalism on the grounds that Britain is an island.
Northern Ireland isn't illegal. You clearly have no understanding of what the term "illegal" actually means in this context.
@VanDoodah YOU'RE the idiot, I don't promote Irish nationalism on the basis that Ireland is an island, I promote it on the basis that there is no pro british unionist majority in Ireland and therefore NI exists in defiance of the democratic wishes of the majority of Irish people, making it illegal, that's a fact that you cannot argue against, one which no british person or unionist has ever been able to argue against, according to your logic there is a majority of people in Cornwall who...
@VanDoodah I've already raised this very point with you and because you have no response for it you're simply deflecting, and ignoring it and trying to imply that i'm promoting Irish nationalism on the basis that Ireland is one island, lol what a moron you are, now do yourself a favour and get lost before you embarrass yourself any further.
@OpeningSalvoe - I spotted a post from you once gloating how Ireland is richer than the UK. Not gloating now you need the wealthier UK to bail you guys out.
Tell me, as an Irishman, do you feel humiliated that you have failed as an independent nation and have now lost your sovereignty again, at least financial sovereignty?
You guys got yourself into this mess so you should be left to pick up the pieces by yourselves.
@slgmaman93 Quite the opposite in fact, i'm delighted at the opportunity we now have to piss your money up against the wall, what you're giving us is only a fraction of what you owe us after centuries of pillaging and plunder, so keep it coming, just don't hold your breath on getting a thank you.
@OpeningSalvoe - Oh, heck no, no need for any thank yous. Our pleasure comes from owning your backsides again, no need to be thankful for being so stupid as to put yourselves into debt to us and giving us all a warm glow deep inside.
And, as you say, we're only giving a fraction (a fraction of money you simply don't have) so we are owning your ass again on the cheap.
We pillaged and plundered (as did you) and now we own you TODAY for a mere "fraction". You should be well pissed, mate.
@slgmaman93 LOL you obviously have no grasp of simple math, we're looking for somewhere in the region of 90 billion euro, what you're giving us is nothing more than pocket change, lol would you listen to yourself, jesus you're dumb aren't you, you have no understanding of what's going on over here, if you want to own anything you're going to have to cough up a hell of a lot more than a measely £7 billion lol lol. Anyway we're going to have a change in government over here soon, who'll burn...
@OpeningSalvoe - The fact is you are in debt to us. We are not in debt to you. If you are in debt to a person to the sum of a single penny and you don't have that penny to pay that person, then that person owns your arse, as far as I'm concerned. That's the way I was brought up.
I'd hate to be in debt to anybody or anything - it is such a low state of affairs to be in.
Don't kid yourself you wouldn't be gloating if it were Ireland giving the UK £7 billion. You know you would.
@slgmaman93 Wrong, the UK has £80 billion pounds tied up in Irish banks, money which you will never see again if our banks go under, the reason the UK is loaning £7 billion to us is so our banking crisis can be stabilized. But the most likely outcome here, is that a change in government will bring about a default on our banking debt which means you'll never see a penny of that money again lol, you can kiss it good bye. You're an idiot who has no proper understanding of what's going on.
@OpeningSalvoe - Lets face it, nobody is ever going to see that money from the banks, we all know that. That money is going up in smoke whatever happens.
We all know the British goverment is just trying to protect its own interest, but all taxpayers know that money won't be seen by them again.
Fact is, Ireland will never again be able to hold its head up high if it defaults - and you know that. That is a humilation of the higest order to default on your debt as a nation.
@OpeningSalvoe - I keep seeing all the Irish people on the streets saying how humiliating this all is for Ireland. I see anger and frustration spilling out on the streets of Dublin. I see people protesting (verging on a riot) because of the huge mess you are in.
Crunch question: You are in a mess as a nation - agree?
@slgmaman93 Crunch answer: NO and i've already explained to you why that is but you're simply too thick to understand what i'm telling you. Here's a question, why don't you try telling me exactly what the nature of the problem is over here, i'm betting you haven't a fucking clue what's going on.
@OpeningSalvoe - Ireland is finished now as an important country within the EU. You'll never recover from this but hopefully conditions will improve for the Irish population one day, but as to being a rich country again, then that is a no no.
What was it one of your guys said: Berlin has its foot on our throats - to paraphrase. How true! You will lose your low corporation tax and will be in huge debt for years. What the hell does Ireland have to offer anyone to become rich again.
@slgmaman93 lol thanks for proving my point about how much of an idiot you are, an how little you actually understand about economics. First of all you retard, Ireland is the UK's biggest trading partner, if Ireland goes under so does the UK everybody knows that, everybody except a dimwit like you that is. But you needn't worry, we're simply going to renege on our debt, just like Iceland did, solving the problem in one stroke and you can kiss your £80 billion goog bye. Secondly, Ireland has a...
@OpeningSalvoe - If you default then your precious Euro is screwed. We had the good sense to stay out of that stupid currency and we can lower the value of the pound and export our way out of trouble - you cannot as you have no control over the money you use.
A top econimics expert said the UK could easily survive without Ireland as we trade more with Brazil and Italy than we do with Ireland. We could survive, he says, and we shouldn't give a single penny as you're screwed even with a bailout
@slgmaman93 Bullshit Cameron said that UK trade with Ireland is worth more than the UK's trade with India, China and Russia put together, simple fact is, if we go you go, that's modern global economics, it's called the domino effect. As for shame or humiliation, what are you talking about, our banking debt is the result of our current government trying to repay money to corporations that took high risk investments, they knew what they were getting into, that's like backing a horse that lost...
@slgmaman93 ...the race and still demanding your winnings, we're under no obligation to repay any of this debt, it's all in the banking sector, it's not state debt you complete simpleton, the more and more you say the more and more you show how little understanding you actually have of what's going on.
@slgmaman93 ...sophisticated knowledge based economy, with one of the most highly educated workforces in Europe, we're one of the biggest exporters of software in the world. Once we renege on our banking debts we have everything we need to kickstart our economy. Don't you watch the news? Didn't you see Sky News stating that Ireland has a very strong economy? The problem is not with our eceonomy it's with our banking debt you muppet, and all we have to do to fix that is renege on our debts.
@OpeningSalvoe - Sorry, I don't watch Sky News or anything owned by that Murdoch cunt. I guess you'd love Fox News and would swallow everything they say. He owns that backward bunce aswell.
I really don't think you realise that you need this bailout and conditions will be implemented by the IMF, like making sure you raise your taxes.
Even if you could start afresh, it would end in disaster again. Ireland is all messed up and the IMF will change your ways before you see a penny. I
@slgmaman93 LOL yep you see you're in a state of complete and total denial, and you've also shown that you haven't a fucking clue what's actually going on, I asked you to explain what the problem is over here and you couldn't, you've no fucking idea do you? I told you already, all we have to do is renege on our banking debt and the problem is solved, then we won't need the IMF or the EU's money. lol you really need to read up on something that you intend to debate before doing so,...
@OpeningSalvoe I wonder if you have the balls to keep this post up; if not then you and I both know you're the idiot.
Salvoe asked me to explain but then blocked me thus trying to make out I couldn't explain. He'll block this account I have that I created so my account couldn't be cloned.
I think you are the one who is in denial, Salvoe. The irish are suffering and want your coalition goverment out. They all admitted it was a humiliation as only shit countries need a bailing out. PIGS
@sigmaman93 That's precisely why I blocked you, because I asked you to explain the situation over here SEVERAL times, and you couldn't, because you're too stupid and too uninformed to understand it, all you could do was talk bollocks. I'll give you one more chance to explain it and if you can't you're blocked, this time permanently. I'm betting you won't be able to. Of course they want it out, isn't that what i've been saying, all we need is a new government who'll renege on our banking debt.
@OpeningSalvoe - As I see it Ireland's economy was heavily dependent on property. The banks invested in the property market heavily and now it has all come crashing down.
Your goverment bailed them out when they weren't in a position too. Your banks, as all banks, should have been regulated more. No taxpayer should have bailed them out.
Your goverment made some horrendous decisions even after the crisis, like guranteeing the bonds with no limit. They have been borrowing like crazy.
@sigmaman93 Yes I agree, which is why i've been repeatedly saying that all we need is a change in government, one which will cancel our debt because it isn't our debt, it's our banks debt, so we as a people are in no way obligated to pay it.
@OpeningSalvoe - The EU won't allow you to default, though. The effects to the rest of the Eurozone would be too great. You use the Euro and the all powerful nations like France and Germany can't afford to let you default. The Eurozone is unstable enough as it is.
This is the problem, as Germany and France, who hate your tax rates, are now telling you what to do and you are doing it as they will pile the pressure on. They won't allow you to default but will want more control over you.
@OpeningSalvoe - I have heard how the rate is non-negotiable, but we did hear how a bailout wouldn't be needed. Well, we know better now.
I have heard, and yes we can all only specualte and what we have heard, that the rate will have to change as it will be insisted upon before any bailout money flows to Ireland. Whether Ireland really can keep that rate and resist the pressure and get the money - we will have to see.
So far, all that has been promised has gone by the wayside.
@sigmaman93 Yes it's true that we will have to wait and see if Ireland can resist pressure from Europe to raise our corp tax, but the point i'm making, is that if we simply default on our debt there won't be any pressure from Europe for us to do so.
@OpeningSalvoe - I hope you are right in that a default will give you full control again, and control of your tax rates.
I can't see Germany and the EU guys accepting that lying down. Everything depends on what is drawn-up and what your goverment signs before getting that money. I'm sure Germany will make any tax agreement watertight, they aren't stupid and will make the most of this situation to screw you. Perhaps a default won't get let you off your raised tax rates?
@sigmaman93 Nah it will, if we default there's no need for a bailout and Europe has nothing to bargain with. We've been members of the EU for 40 years and members of the eurozone for almost ten and we've always maintaned low corpration tax.
@sigmaman93 Of course we can default, member of the eurozone or not, we're a sovereign nation, the decision is up to us, France and Germany may not be happy about it but they can't exactly send troops in to stop us.
@OpeningSalvoe - No, they can't send troops in (thank goodness) but can they put a squeeze on you? I don't see it as a catasrophe if you were/could be thrown out of the Euro, but what if you were thrown out of the EU altoghether?
@sigmaman93 If we were thrown out of the EU altogether it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, at least we would have our own currency again that we could devalue if we ever needed to, also we would be able to set our own interest rates once more too. There's already talk in Ireland that we should leave the euro.
@OpeningSalvoe - Wasn't Ireland given a chance to leave the Euro a few years ago? I do too think you would be better off out of the Euro. It is a toilet currency and just disables you. I'm just amazed the UK managed to stay out of it. There was huge pressure to join a decade ago.
Can you leave the Euro now if you wanted to?
The EU has been shit to Ireland (Lisbon Treaty) and the EU party has come to an end as far as I'm concerned. Time to leave!
@OpeningSalvoe - You have to admit, the EU now has Ireland where they want them, and all jostling here aside, I think that is a bad thing. I'm half Irish btw.
How can Ireland ever be competitive again when, as Britain, we unfavoured islands of the mainland, where there priorities lie.
Germany and Co will put the squeeze on now and Ireland can't say "no" to anything.
@sigmaman93 Are you fucking stupid or something? Do you have comprehension problems? Are you gravely retarded? I'm blue in the fucking face saying this, of course we can say no, we elect a different government who'll renege on our dubt, it's only the current government who's insisting we pay, they're the one's perpetuating this crisis, it only exists because of them, once they're gone it's over, Jesus you are really dumb.
@OpeningSalvoe - No, I don't think you understand how the IMF works and what is being tabled by the EU.
I know you can default on the debts as of this moment, I know that, but, you can't renaig on a contract to not lower your taxes out of line with what the EU requires. That is as I have been led to believe.
Low raxes is what made Ireland what it is. But, you can't keep defying the EU; especially now.
@sigmaman93 We haven't made any contract with the EU to have higher corporation tax, I don't know where you got that from. We're under no obligation to raise our corpration tax, the EU is trying to say, if we give you all this money, you have to raise your corporation tax. We don't have to do it, they're just trying to put pressure on us to do it. If we simply default on our debt then we won't need the EU's money and they won't be able to insist that we raise our corp tax, it's very simple.
@OpeningSalvoe - That's the thing you see, I don't know what will be legally required of Ireland before being able to take the money. Will it just be their word on tax they have to give rather than sign an agreement? If so, the goverment should just raise the taxes and say "sure thing we'll keep 'em rasied", just for the time-being, but the Irish goverment seems reluctant which leads me into thinking they won't have the power to change it later on.
@sigmaman93 `As i've already said none of that matters, none of it will be a concern if we simply default on our debt, we won't have to worry about any of that, it's a disgrace that we're paying debt that isn't ours in the first place.
@OpeningSalvoe - Well, I'll take your word for it that a default will cure the all the ills.
I think the UK will survive an Irish default, though it will hurt, but the EU will hurt the most and that suits me. It is a flawed political ideal and one that is now being realised by the very nations who once believed in the EU with a passion. Look at how disgruntled Germany was with Greece and how begrudging they were to help. The EU nations are out for themselves now and not so much the union.
@sigmaman93 I never said it would solve all our ills or that it was the perfect solution, but it's certainly preferable to having the IMF and ECB come in. That's because you have 17 sovereign nations all of which have different economic strategies and needs using the same currency, you can't have one currency being used by 17 different countries all of which have different economic policies.
@sigmaman93 Reluctant, what are you talking about? I've already told you that the Irish government has said that raising the corporation tax level is non negotiable.
@sigmaman93 "How can Ireland ever be competitive again when, as Britain, we unfavoured islands of the mainland, where there priorities lie" I didn't understand a word of that.
@OpeningSalvoe - Sorry, I'm wrestling a sandwich here and making some mistakes with the syntax of my messages..
What I mean is that both Britain and Ireland are merely looked upon as nusiance islands and not really a part of the EU proper. We'll never be truly equal.
Look at how Germany is treating you now. They don't want an island off Europe getting most of the investments from non-EU nations in to Europe, but either them (Germany) or at least the mainland. They don't want you to compete
@sigmaman93 Right you've been given more than enough time to respond, I asked you once again to explain the situation over here and all I got from you was deafening silence, because you haven't a fucking clue do you, lol what a retard all you can do is talk bollocks and put your stupidity on display for all to see.
...Just because Ireland is one island, that does not make it one nation and it does not justify the belief that all of Ireland should be ruled in the same way by the same government. The north-eastern counties have a different national identity and they desire to remain part of the United Kingdom. If you don't like it, then you can move to the Republic. If you are already in the Republic, then kindly stop giving us your unwanted thoughts on our internal affairs (and glorifying the IRA in the...
@OpeningSalvoe ...forever friend`s... Irish and Serbs the breavest warrior`s ever see the world...BIG HEART from SERBIA for my brother OS[irish warrior]...
...that the RAF were on the verge of total defeat by as early as 1940, in fact he did you another favour by ordering the Luftwaffe to redirect their air raids away from RAF bases and focus on London instead, not to mention how he let you off the hook at Dunkirk too, so you can thank your lucky stars that Hitler was such an incompetent leader, as you never would've had a hope of defeating Germany, and would've gone under in a matter of weeks just like the French, had he not lost interest in..
Home Rule is Rome Rule (as it was then anyway), I can't be bothered to read all this shit, but the bottom line is, if there was a vote tomorrow, N.I would remain British
I'm not exactly sure what point it is that you're trying to make, if any, but my point is, that any vote by the population of NI to remain british is irrelevant, as it wouldn't change the fact that britains prescence in NI is still illegal. Nothing can change that fact.
thats bullshit, Ireland has never ever been a 32 county Soverign nation, a vote irrelevant?, illegal? by what law, by what democracy, what are you some kind of facist, honestly explain
I'm not a fascist rayjit, it's just that you have no understanding of the basic principles of democracy, which isn't at all surprising as you're from the north after all, you people aren't fond on democracy up there, never have been. If you're too stupid to be able to see how the partitioning of Ireland is inherently undemocratic, then there's no point in me explaining it to you is there? Fact is you lot like to talk about the principle of consent, but...
...where was there any respect shown by britain for the fact that the overwhelming majority of the people of Ireland never gave their consent to partition, there has never been a unionist majority of any kind in Ireland EVER and therefore no consent has ever been given by the democratic majority of the people of this country to have it partitioned, so any referendum in Northern Ireland on it's future constitutional status would be completely irrelivant, as Northern Ireland is an...
...illegal statelet, which doesn't now, nor has it ever, had a right to exist, and Ireland WAS united under Boru, the only bullshit here rayjit, is the bullshit that you people up there are led to believe in, and thus spew out, all over yt. Instead of listening to your unionist myths and fairytales, I suggest you go and read a proper history book, as you people seem to know nothing of Irish history as far as I can see.
@OpeningSalvoe So you are saying that Ireland should be a single political entity because a tribal warlord managed to conquer it all the better part of 1,000 years ago.
Northern Ireland is not illegal under British law or international law. The old Irish governments may have held that it was under British occupation, but that doesn't mean that it is.
Most people in NI wish to remain a part of the UK. Bombing people isn't going to change that, I'm afraid.
@VanDoodah Are you saying that the wishes of the democratic majority on this island who have no wish to be under british rule, nor have they ever, should be ignored because Ireland wasn't a single political entity for much of it's history, you see it works both ways. What most people in NI want is completely irrelivant as NI isn't a real country, there has never been a pro british unionist majority on the island of Ireland and there still isn't, that's a simple historical truth that britain...
@OpeningSalvoe You argued that Ireland should be united on the basis that a tribal chieftain united it the better part of 1,000 years ago. I pointed out that there is little if any historical basis for a united Ireland, except for when Ireland was under British rule.
The fact that Ireland is one island doesn't make it one nation or one country. Britain is an island, and we have Scots, Welsh and English, each of whom have their own distinct identities and own nationalist movements. To say...
@VanDoodah I never made such an argument, YOU were the one to try and argue that Ireland had never been united and therefore there was no reason to assume it should be, I simply corrected you on your history, man you people are really thick aren't you. I told you already, the overwhelming majoirty of people on the island of Ireland don't want to be under british rule, that is a FACT that you can never dispute.
@OpeningSalvoe I was replying to your argument that Ireland was united under Brian Boru, actually. This is your line of argument I am contesting here; I am not attacking a straw man.
"the overwhelming majoirty of people on the island of Ireland don't want to be under british rule, that is a FACT that you can never dispute."
You're yet to explain why that is a relevant point. Just because Ireland is an island doesn't mean that it should have one government.
@VanDoodah Ireland is different from Britain, as while Britain is Welsh, Scottish, and English; Ireland is Irish. If you want to say that there is a high proportion of Scottish living in Ireland, then you would be right. However, that is because in 1649, Cromwell took over Ireland and placed Scottish Presbyterians in Ireland. Everyone else is IRISH. And if you are arguing that there is no historical evidence for a united Ireland. So what, some countries united late. Germany united in 1871.
@hello5173 I consider everyone in Ireland to be Irish, even if they reject that term. I just don't see why one must choose between being Irish and British - surely the Northern loyalists can be both?
Please don't misunderstand me; I'm not some right wing, anti-Irish goon who considers the republicans to be invaders of the UK. I love Ireland, have always had a great time over there and am proud to be of Irish (Catholic and Protestant) heritage. I just don't understand republican arguments.
@VanDoodah ...has chosen to overlook for centuries, you can try spinning it anyway you want, but britain has absolutley no claim of any kind on any part of Ireland whatsoever and it never has, and that's as true today as it's been at any time in Ireland's history.
@OpeningSalvoe May I also point out that you ignored (or even deleted) my point that Ireland is in a comparable situation to Britain here. Britain is an island (with smaller outlying islands, just like Ireland) with three different peoples; the English, the Scots and the Welsh. Do you think that a Scottish or Welsh nationalist would take me seriously if I said that "Britain is one island, therefore we should have one government"? I seriously doubt it. The same thing applies to Ireland...
Wales is a country which is ruled from London lol dontbothertoreadthis thinks his country's capital is Brussels, yet another exapmle of the piss poor british education system, this time dontbothertoreadthis has shown it up for it's apalling lack of decent goegraphy teachers lol. Ireland is a country with a history of resillience in the face of oppression, conviction, and self respect, something that as a Welshman he's envious of lol. I base my opinions on what I know to be true of history,...
...and in this instance, they're opinions which are widely shared, particularily among the English lol.
Embarrassing & Humiliating for dontbothertoreadthis.
Now just how much more of this punishment do you want dontbothertoreadthis, because i'm never backing down, no matter what you say, i'm getting the last word here, because this is my video, and you came here first, so I can go on forever, humiliating both you and your country as i'm clearly much better at this than you.
First of all, you'll notice that I nearly always give the word Nazi an upper case N, giving it a lower case N is for expediency, as the amount of shite that you come out with requires a lot of mopping up by me, and therefore a great deal of typing, and don't embarrass yourself even further by trying to compare the ocassional display of laziness by me in not using an upper case N to
Erin go Bragh !!
chemocool 3 weeks ago
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Ramone198723 2 months ago
good song tho
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Ramone198723 3 months ago
Ulster has a right to seperate, and Protestants have the right to rule as a majority, if you don't like it, your problem is with democracy, catholics have worked so hard to destory our state but in the end they only destroy themselves with their bankrupt bitch of state with a bleeding arsehole from gettin fucked by priests and now banks
Ramone198723 3 months ago
@Ramone198723 No YOU are the one who has a problem with democracy, there is NO protestant majority in Ireland, never has been, you can't just gerrymander one into existence, hence Northern Ireland has no right to separate, and like the thick uneducated hun that you are, you fail to realize that half of Ulster is in the republic, the other half is a pathetic leeching little illegal stalelet that can't stand on it's own two feet and has to suckle off Englands teet.
OpeningSalvoe 3 months ago 3
@OpeningSalvoe all states are man made!, by that logic the USA is illegal, I'm proud to be a hun, and I'm very well educated, your state is nothing but papal princapilty where priests dips their dicks into kids and no law worth a dam to stop any of them
Ramone198723 3 months ago
@Ramone198723 States are made only with the consent of the majority of their people, so Northern Ireland is illegal because it exists in defiance of the wishes of the overwhelming majority of Irish people. Your "state" is a pathetic scrounging handout dependent little wartorn shithole that has never been able to stand on it's own two feet, you'll take handouts from anyone, even from us.
OpeningSalvoe 3 months ago 2
@Ramone198723 im athiest and even i think there should be a united Ireland and im also American. Just because the majority of people who want a united Ireland are catholic doesnt mean anything, the irish people have the right to live in a untied Irealand for the Irish and if English wish to stay then fine i have no problem with imigrants just realise that In Ireland there should just be Ireland, get the terriorist Brits out!
eamon4800 2 months ago
@eamon4800 you sir are an idiot,
Ramone198723 2 months ago
@eamon4800 lets get some facts right first, fact one you can hardly spell and I'd guess you probaly failed at school, fact two, the majority of people in Northern Ireland are British and want to remain that way, fact three you're a yank and what happens in Ireland is none of your fucking business
Ramone198723 2 months ago
@eamon4800 you didnt get very far in school did you?
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@eamon4800 Nazi war criminals were given safety in Ireland after the war and lived here under assumed names sanctioned by the government. The killers, responsible for some of the worst ethnic cleansing atrocities of World War 2, were told that Ireland would welcome them. Ireland shunned the Jewish victims while protecting the ruthless anti-Semites. The US was worried that Ireland would become a haven for war criminals and believed its neutrality had jeopardised the war effort.
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@eamon4800 Some serious war criminals, along with smaller fry, were able to use Ireland to escape retribution. The worst, and also the most intriguing, case was the escape to Ireland of Andrija Artukovic. As minister of the interior in the pro-Axis Ustase regime in Croatia during the war, Artukovic organised genocidal killings, chiefly of Orthodox Serbs, involving horrific barbarity
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@eamon4800 One of the most interesting details iin this period in history was the revelation of anti-Semitic attitudes in Irish officialdom. Charles Bewley in the Department of External Affairs was probably the most outspoken, but more effective was the way in which Peter Berry succeeded in quietly sabotaging efforts to accept Jewish refugees
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@eamon4800 It is a testimony to the existence of a deep-rooted, if probably semi-conscious, anti-Semitism in Irish society that de Valera, when challenged by Oliver J. Flanagan in the Dáil, denied that 500 children given refuge in Ireland were in fact Jewish.
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@eamon4800 The Breton nationalist Celestin Laine, who commanded a Breton militia, the Bezen Perrot, which operated as an auxiliary unit of the SS and was particularly effective against the Resistance in Britanny, may have been in touch with the Irish consulate in Paris before his arrival in Ireland in 1947. Laine, an admirer of the IRA, was able to live quite freely in Ireland, and some interesting archive footage survives from the 1970s.
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@eamon4800 In a letter to de Valera in 1944 the then US Representative in Ireland, David Gray, demanded that Ireland refuse entry to any Nazi war criminals who sought refuge here. But de Valera was furious and saw the demands as America trying to tamper with Ireland's new sovereignty. That, coupled with his belief that the Nazi movement was a nationalist force just like Ireland's republican movement, urged him to open our doors to Hitler's top soldiers.
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@eamon4800 Regarding Andrija Artukovic one reporter researching the case stated "I think it is strange that a man responsible for a million deaths could live quietly here with nobody asking who he is or how he got here. I have discovered there is a file on this man in the Department of Foreign Affairs, but the Irish Government have refused my request to release it."
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@eamon4800 While the Red Cross struggled to find temporary homes in Europe for many victims of the concentration camps, Ireland refused to help. Author Dr Bryan Fanning says that Ireland's actions exposed it as an anti-Semitic country. "After the war there was a widespread view in Government that a Liberal policy towards Jews would not be taken. "There was a strong view that they didn't fit in and wouldn't become part of our society," he says
Scotslover86 2 months ago
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JamieFitzpatrick32 1 month ago
we are all brian boru
ProvosAttYourDoor 3 months ago
love the quotes man
barry770 5 months ago
@barry770 Thanks.
OpeningSalvoe 5 months ago
I can't understand how you proud Irish people let your government support Kosovo self proclaimed independence. They are not freedom fighters,they do not fight for justice or their faith. Kosovo so called government are a group of criminals, smugglers and killers. They even harvest human organs and sell them on black market.
Serbian and Irish people are so much alike. We are divided by political borders.
For united Ireland and united Serbia!! Let God help us all. Greetings from Serbia.. .
Odeon1991 7 months ago
@Odeon1991 Yeah that's a good question mate. Because are government are a bunch of fucking arseholes.
OpeningSalvoe 7 months ago
@OpeningSalvoe In west Europe and US general opinion about Serbs is that we are murderers and butchers.
Like you we have a great history but no one wants to read it. People don't know us..
In my country most people think that IRA is a terrorist group.. I know that is not true. You just fight for your land and people.
Respectfully Odeon1991
Odeon1991 7 months ago
@Odeon1991 I hear ya mate, I have to be honest i'm not too familiar with Serbian history, i'll have to read up on it.
OpeningSalvoe 7 months ago
@Odeon1991 We dont have a government we have masters ..... If the Irish people had real democracy we wouldnt be handing our natural resource to some fat nazi fuck in germany. I apologise for my profane language but im extremely unhappy with what Ireland has become
kargwain187 5 months ago
@kargwain187 You and me both.
OpeningSalvoe 5 months ago
Have you guys seen the movie "The Devil's Own" its with Brad Pitt and Harrison Ford. Great movie and it opens with this song.
calebviper 10 months ago 3
@calebviper Thats where i got the song from! I love that movie i watch it all the time! <3 Brad Pitt when he was younger! Fail at an northern irish accent tho lol
saintfield100 9 months ago
@calebviper the song was written for devils own
carsieplg 8 months ago
@calebviper it's one of my favorite movies :D
saintfield100 1 month ago
I was born the year of the Omagh bomb i dont want any more trouble... yes i wud like one Ireland but i would not kill for it. Inocent police officers who serve us are being blown up because of a religion. I wish it wud stop!
saintfield100 10 months ago
@saintfield100 Yes I agree, you'll get no argument from me, precisely because you made your point in a civilized and mature way instead of just coming on this page to abuse me simply for uploading this video. Which is more than I can say for most people on here. Peace.
OpeningSalvoe 10 months ago
@OpeningSalvoe My name is Erin btw lolz what a coincidence. A police man got blown up last week. R.I.P Ronan Kerr
saintfield100 10 months ago
@saintfield100 inocent police officers are being blown up by the ira no matter what their religion is! ira has said they will kill them no matter the religion.
gunnerrrr1 9 months ago
And still we cry NO SURRENDER
LordWellington15 11 months ago
@LordWellington15 Fool you've already surrendered, you've surrendered 5/6 of the country and now you're sharing power with your sworn enemies isn't it high time you came to KNOW SURRENDER.
OpeningSalvoe 11 months ago
@OpeningSalvoe Still forgot the North.
NO SURRENDER
LordWellington15 11 months ago
@LordWellington15 KNOW SURRENDER & TIOCFAIDH AR LA
OpeningSalvoe 11 months ago
really good job ...
EazzyOnTheShrooms 11 months ago
A hundred years from now those people who called for Ireland's "independence" will be regretting the day they left the union, when the BRITISH isles have become the economic vassals of Berlin and the sociopolitical vassals of Brussels. All you Republicans should know that your so-called independence has bought by the EU. Let the economic collapse of the Irish republic be a lesson to all promoters of discord and schism. ONE CAN BE IRISH AND BRITISH AT THE SAME TIME!
powereddrive 11 months ago
@powereddrive These promoters of discord and schism will ALWAYS be here, until every single last blade of grass in Ireland has been brought back under Irish rule, you can count on that. Whatever problems we're facing now things were never as bad as they were when Ireland was in the union, we've never looked back since we achieved independence and kicked britain out of our country and we never will.
OpeningSalvoe 11 months ago
@OpeningSalvoe
Really? Last I heard more Irishman died in the civil war (You Republicans cannot stop killing each other) than in the so-called war of independence. Enjoy being continental slaves!
powereddrive 11 months ago
@powereddrive Actually if you include those we've killed in the north we've killed more of you lol.
OpeningSalvoe 11 months ago
@OpeningSalvoe
At least you admit it, what you want is not really independence but an excuse to keep murdering your fellow Irishmen. And the so-called "occupation" merely gives you another excuse. Though I bet you do no killing yourself, I bet you live far in the west (or in America where support by Americans calling themselves Irish for the IRA is still strong) where the propaganda of Fianna FAIL is taken for Republican dogma.
powereddrive 11 months ago
@powereddrive Fellow Irishmen? Last I heard the people you speak of considered themselves british, or Scots Irish or Anglo Irish. We have no desire to kill our own in this country, but there will ALWAYS be those who will fight to remove the british presence in Ireland, ALWAYS because britain never has nor does it now have any valid claim to any part of Ireland, not so much as one blade of grass.
OpeningSalvoe 11 months ago
@OpeningSalvoe
And what does it matter what they claim to be? You would have them killed because they put in a hyphen, and qualify their Irish identity? You would kill them for that? I say nationalism is a scourge of mankind. We share a language, a religion, and hold a common history, for the sins of the past there is blame to be assigned on all sides, but the threat to Irish sovereignty comes not from London, but from Berlin. You would be Kosovo, you would be the tool of the continentals!
powereddrive 11 months ago
@powereddrive No but like anyone else we've always been prepared to fight and resist, (and if that means kill) any foreign power which tries to annex our country. Nobody has ever been expected to apologise for that. The British certainly wouldn't apologise for doing everything necessary to prevent their country from being occupied by Germany during WW2 so why should we apologise for being prepared to defend ours from British occupation? The only scourge on mankind is IMPERIALISM always has been.
OpeningSalvoe 11 months ago
Where did you find the picture on 3:17
TheBraveKitten 1 year ago
@TheBraveKitten I honestly can't remember.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@TheBraveKitten I can't remember.
OpeningSalvoe 11 months ago
Let's hope that peace will come and Ireland will be one.
GK1ist 1 year ago
whether you are northern irish, southern irish, western irish or eastern irish your still IRISH. erin go bragh
belfast1990 1 year ago
@belfast1990 i think that ni are not irish and that if nothing happnes soon they should change there name becouse they have 2 choises join us or leave us there will be on gray area in the future
XxXIRISHSNIPER 1 year ago
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FUCK YOU UK!!!!!
marianostpc 1 year ago 2
Who are THEY...? this is crap...MOVE ON !!
xyzllii 1 year ago
@xyzllii What?
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@xyzllii STFU quisling!!
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@coirpeach1 - And the English of today didn't invade Ireland.
The Irish of old used to raid the coasts of England to rape and pillage. The Irish have a far from innocent history.
Anyway, no more bashing the UK from you as the UK are helping to bail you guys out. You'll be in debt to us forever and a day - so know your place.
slgmaman93 1 year ago
@coirpeach1 If you went to prison then it was most probably for terrorism, not for your beliefs. We don't lock people up simply for what they believe.
Ireland is one island but that doesn't mean that it should be one state. Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom and bombing civilians and policemen isn't going to change that.
VanDoodah 1 year ago
VIVA IRLANDA!!!!!!....from Argentina
larraldero 1 year ago
VIVA IRLANDA!!!!...from Argentina
larraldero 1 year ago
@larraldero Thanks.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@larraldero THANK YOU ARGENTINA
confusedfoil 1 year ago
@coirpeach1 Financial reasons? That's a joke, right? The "Celtic tiger" turned out to be more of a domesticated cat and the Northern Irish economy is heavily subsidised by the British government. A united Ireland would be disastrous from an economic point of view.
Here's a reason for keeping Northern Ireland in the UK; there would be a war if it joined the Republic.
VanDoodah 1 year ago
P.S. I have a lot of family from the Republic of Ireland. A cousin seven times removed is Michael Collins. Heard of him?
So I'm not biased against republicanism, I just see no reason why Dublin should have any power over Ulster.
VanDoodah 1 year ago
@coirpeach1 I am willing to bet quite a bit of money that you are not Irish, but rather a North American or Australian who likes to think of himself as Irish because it's "cool".
Ireland is too small to wipe Britain out, so get over it.
You still haven't given me any reason to believe that Northern Ireland should join the Republic; you've just whined about things that happened in the past.
VanDoodah 1 year ago
@VanDoodah I've given you a PERFECTLY valid reason for why NI belongs to the Irish, you have not been able to offer a rebuttle to it because you know i'm right, and I am Irish. As for Ireland not being able to wipe britain out, what are you talking about, we've done it before haven't we lol.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
May I also point out that you ignored (or even deleted) my point that Ireland is in a comparable situation to Britain here. Britain is an island (with smaller outlying islands, just like Ireland) with three different peoples; the English, the Scots and the Welsh. Do you think that a Scottish or Welsh nationalist would take me seriously if I said that "Britain is one island, therefore we should have one government"? I seriously doubt it. The same thing applies to Ireland...
VanDoodah 1 year ago
@VanDoodah "Do you think that a Scottish or Welsh nationalist would take me seriously if I said that "Britain is one island, therefore we should have one government"? I seriously doubt it" hahahahahahaha!! THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU HAVE ONLY ONE GOVERNMENT FOR CENTURIES?!!! Thank you for making my point, I rest my case, on a final note however, I will say AGAIN, there is not now, nor had there EVER been a democratic majority of people in Ireland who wish to be british!!! Hence NI is ILLEGAL.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe You're an idiot. Scottish and Welsh (and English) nationalists ignore the fact that we are one island and want separate governments. If you promote Irish nationalism on the basis that Ireland is an island then you must oppose Scottish and Welsh nationalism on the grounds that Britain is an island.
Northern Ireland isn't illegal. You clearly have no understanding of what the term "illegal" actually means in this context.
VanDoodah 1 year ago
@VanDoodah YOU'RE the idiot, I don't promote Irish nationalism on the basis that Ireland is an island, I promote it on the basis that there is no pro british unionist majority in Ireland and therefore NI exists in defiance of the democratic wishes of the majority of Irish people, making it illegal, that's a fact that you cannot argue against, one which no british person or unionist has ever been able to argue against, according to your logic there is a majority of people in Cornwall who...
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@VanDoodah ...wish not to be part of England so why don't you let them seceed, you're hypocrisy knows no bounds.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@VanDoodah I've already raised this very point with you and because you have no response for it you're simply deflecting, and ignoring it and trying to imply that i'm promoting Irish nationalism on the basis that Ireland is one island, lol what a moron you are, now do yourself a favour and get lost before you embarrass yourself any further.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - I spotted a post from you once gloating how Ireland is richer than the UK. Not gloating now you need the wealthier UK to bail you guys out.
Tell me, as an Irishman, do you feel humiliated that you have failed as an independent nation and have now lost your sovereignty again, at least financial sovereignty?
You guys got yourself into this mess so you should be left to pick up the pieces by yourselves.
slgmaman93 1 year ago
@slgmaman93 Quite the opposite in fact, i'm delighted at the opportunity we now have to piss your money up against the wall, what you're giving us is only a fraction of what you owe us after centuries of pillaging and plunder, so keep it coming, just don't hold your breath on getting a thank you.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - Oh, heck no, no need for any thank yous. Our pleasure comes from owning your backsides again, no need to be thankful for being so stupid as to put yourselves into debt to us and giving us all a warm glow deep inside.
And, as you say, we're only giving a fraction (a fraction of money you simply don't have) so we are owning your ass again on the cheap.
We pillaged and plundered (as did you) and now we own you TODAY for a mere "fraction". You should be well pissed, mate.
slgmaman93 1 year ago
@slgmaman93 LOL you obviously have no grasp of simple math, we're looking for somewhere in the region of 90 billion euro, what you're giving us is nothing more than pocket change, lol would you listen to yourself, jesus you're dumb aren't you, you have no understanding of what's going on over here, if you want to own anything you're going to have to cough up a hell of a lot more than a measely £7 billion lol lol. Anyway we're going to have a change in government over here soon, who'll burn...
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - The fact is you are in debt to us. We are not in debt to you. If you are in debt to a person to the sum of a single penny and you don't have that penny to pay that person, then that person owns your arse, as far as I'm concerned. That's the way I was brought up.
I'd hate to be in debt to anybody or anything - it is such a low state of affairs to be in.
Don't kid yourself you wouldn't be gloating if it were Ireland giving the UK £7 billion. You know you would.
slgmaman93 1 year ago
@slgmaman93 Wrong, the UK has £80 billion pounds tied up in Irish banks, money which you will never see again if our banks go under, the reason the UK is loaning £7 billion to us is so our banking crisis can be stabilized. But the most likely outcome here, is that a change in government will bring about a default on our banking debt which means you'll never see a penny of that money again lol, you can kiss it good bye. You're an idiot who has no proper understanding of what's going on.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - Lets face it, nobody is ever going to see that money from the banks, we all know that. That money is going up in smoke whatever happens.
We all know the British goverment is just trying to protect its own interest, but all taxpayers know that money won't be seen by them again.
Fact is, Ireland will never again be able to hold its head up high if it defaults - and you know that. That is a humilation of the higest order to default on your debt as a nation.
slgmaman93 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - I keep seeing all the Irish people on the streets saying how humiliating this all is for Ireland. I see anger and frustration spilling out on the streets of Dublin. I see people protesting (verging on a riot) because of the huge mess you are in.
Crunch question: You are in a mess as a nation - agree?
slgmaman93 1 year ago
@slgmaman93 Crunch answer: NO and i've already explained to you why that is but you're simply too thick to understand what i'm telling you. Here's a question, why don't you try telling me exactly what the nature of the problem is over here, i'm betting you haven't a fucking clue what's going on.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@slgmaman93 ...the bond holders, renege on our debts and then tell you where you can stick your loan.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - Ireland is finished now as an important country within the EU. You'll never recover from this but hopefully conditions will improve for the Irish population one day, but as to being a rich country again, then that is a no no.
What was it one of your guys said: Berlin has its foot on our throats - to paraphrase. How true! You will lose your low corporation tax and will be in huge debt for years. What the hell does Ireland have to offer anyone to become rich again.
slgmaman93 1 year ago
@slgmaman93 lol thanks for proving my point about how much of an idiot you are, an how little you actually understand about economics. First of all you retard, Ireland is the UK's biggest trading partner, if Ireland goes under so does the UK everybody knows that, everybody except a dimwit like you that is. But you needn't worry, we're simply going to renege on our debt, just like Iceland did, solving the problem in one stroke and you can kiss your £80 billion goog bye. Secondly, Ireland has a...
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - If you default then your precious Euro is screwed. We had the good sense to stay out of that stupid currency and we can lower the value of the pound and export our way out of trouble - you cannot as you have no control over the money you use.
A top econimics expert said the UK could easily survive without Ireland as we trade more with Brazil and Italy than we do with Ireland. We could survive, he says, and we shouldn't give a single penny as you're screwed even with a bailout
slgmaman93 1 year ago
@slgmaman93 Bullshit Cameron said that UK trade with Ireland is worth more than the UK's trade with India, China and Russia put together, simple fact is, if we go you go, that's modern global economics, it's called the domino effect. As for shame or humiliation, what are you talking about, our banking debt is the result of our current government trying to repay money to corporations that took high risk investments, they knew what they were getting into, that's like backing a horse that lost...
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@slgmaman93 ...the race and still demanding your winnings, we're under no obligation to repay any of this debt, it's all in the banking sector, it's not state debt you complete simpleton, the more and more you say the more and more you show how little understanding you actually have of what's going on.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@slgmaman93 ...sophisticated knowledge based economy, with one of the most highly educated workforces in Europe, we're one of the biggest exporters of software in the world. Once we renege on our banking debts we have everything we need to kickstart our economy. Don't you watch the news? Didn't you see Sky News stating that Ireland has a very strong economy? The problem is not with our eceonomy it's with our banking debt you muppet, and all we have to do to fix that is renege on our debts.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - Sorry, I don't watch Sky News or anything owned by that Murdoch cunt. I guess you'd love Fox News and would swallow everything they say. He owns that backward bunce aswell.
I really don't think you realise that you need this bailout and conditions will be implemented by the IMF, like making sure you raise your taxes.
Even if you could start afresh, it would end in disaster again. Ireland is all messed up and the IMF will change your ways before you see a penny. I
slgmaman93 1 year ago
@slgmaman93 LOL yep you see you're in a state of complete and total denial, and you've also shown that you haven't a fucking clue what's actually going on, I asked you to explain what the problem is over here and you couldn't, you've no fucking idea do you? I told you already, all we have to do is renege on our banking debt and the problem is solved, then we won't need the IMF or the EU's money. lol you really need to read up on something that you intend to debate before doing so,...
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@slgmaman93 ...otherwise you just end up looking like an idiot.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe I wonder if you have the balls to keep this post up; if not then you and I both know you're the idiot.
Salvoe asked me to explain but then blocked me thus trying to make out I couldn't explain. He'll block this account I have that I created so my account couldn't be cloned.
I think you are the one who is in denial, Salvoe. The irish are suffering and want your coalition goverment out. They all admitted it was a humiliation as only shit countries need a bailing out. PIGS
sigmaman93 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 That's precisely why I blocked you, because I asked you to explain the situation over here SEVERAL times, and you couldn't, because you're too stupid and too uninformed to understand it, all you could do was talk bollocks. I'll give you one more chance to explain it and if you can't you're blocked, this time permanently. I'm betting you won't be able to. Of course they want it out, isn't that what i've been saying, all we need is a new government who'll renege on our banking debt.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - As I see it Ireland's economy was heavily dependent on property. The banks invested in the property market heavily and now it has all come crashing down.
Your goverment bailed them out when they weren't in a position too. Your banks, as all banks, should have been regulated more. No taxpayer should have bailed them out.
Your goverment made some horrendous decisions even after the crisis, like guranteeing the bonds with no limit. They have been borrowing like crazy.
sigmaman93 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 Yes I agree, which is why i've been repeatedly saying that all we need is a change in government, one which will cancel our debt because it isn't our debt, it's our banks debt, so we as a people are in no way obligated to pay it.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - The EU won't allow you to default, though. The effects to the rest of the Eurozone would be too great. You use the Euro and the all powerful nations like France and Germany can't afford to let you default. The Eurozone is unstable enough as it is.
This is the problem, as Germany and France, who hate your tax rates, are now telling you what to do and you are doing it as they will pile the pressure on. They won't allow you to default but will want more control over you.
sigmaman93 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 Well you'll get no argument from me there, which is why our government has said that our 12.5% corporation tax is non negotiable.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - I have heard how the rate is non-negotiable, but we did hear how a bailout wouldn't be needed. Well, we know better now.
I have heard, and yes we can all only specualte and what we have heard, that the rate will have to change as it will be insisted upon before any bailout money flows to Ireland. Whether Ireland really can keep that rate and resist the pressure and get the money - we will have to see.
So far, all that has been promised has gone by the wayside.
sigmaman93 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 Yes it's true that we will have to wait and see if Ireland can resist pressure from Europe to raise our corp tax, but the point i'm making, is that if we simply default on our debt there won't be any pressure from Europe for us to do so.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - I hope you are right in that a default will give you full control again, and control of your tax rates.
I can't see Germany and the EU guys accepting that lying down. Everything depends on what is drawn-up and what your goverment signs before getting that money. I'm sure Germany will make any tax agreement watertight, they aren't stupid and will make the most of this situation to screw you. Perhaps a default won't get let you off your raised tax rates?
sigmaman93 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 Nah it will, if we default there's no need for a bailout and Europe has nothing to bargain with. We've been members of the EU for 40 years and members of the eurozone for almost ten and we've always maintaned low corpration tax.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 Of course we can default, member of the eurozone or not, we're a sovereign nation, the decision is up to us, France and Germany may not be happy about it but they can't exactly send troops in to stop us.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - No, they can't send troops in (thank goodness) but can they put a squeeze on you? I don't see it as a catasrophe if you were/could be thrown out of the Euro, but what if you were thrown out of the EU altoghether?
sigmaman93 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 If we were thrown out of the EU altogether it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, at least we would have our own currency again that we could devalue if we ever needed to, also we would be able to set our own interest rates once more too. There's already talk in Ireland that we should leave the euro.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - Wasn't Ireland given a chance to leave the Euro a few years ago? I do too think you would be better off out of the Euro. It is a toilet currency and just disables you. I'm just amazed the UK managed to stay out of it. There was huge pressure to join a decade ago.
Can you leave the Euro now if you wanted to?
The EU has been shit to Ireland (Lisbon Treaty) and the EU party has come to an end as far as I'm concerned. Time to leave!
sigmaman93 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 Given a chance to leave the euro a few years ago? I don't know what you're talking about.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - You have to admit, the EU now has Ireland where they want them, and all jostling here aside, I think that is a bad thing. I'm half Irish btw.
How can Ireland ever be competitive again when, as Britain, we unfavoured islands of the mainland, where there priorities lie.
Germany and Co will put the squeeze on now and Ireland can't say "no" to anything.
sigmaman93 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 Are you fucking stupid or something? Do you have comprehension problems? Are you gravely retarded? I'm blue in the fucking face saying this, of course we can say no, we elect a different government who'll renege on our dubt, it's only the current government who's insisting we pay, they're the one's perpetuating this crisis, it only exists because of them, once they're gone it's over, Jesus you are really dumb.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - No, I don't think you understand how the IMF works and what is being tabled by the EU.
I know you can default on the debts as of this moment, I know that, but, you can't renaig on a contract to not lower your taxes out of line with what the EU requires. That is as I have been led to believe.
Low raxes is what made Ireland what it is. But, you can't keep defying the EU; especially now.
sigmaman93 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 We haven't made any contract with the EU to have higher corporation tax, I don't know where you got that from. We're under no obligation to raise our corpration tax, the EU is trying to say, if we give you all this money, you have to raise your corporation tax. We don't have to do it, they're just trying to put pressure on us to do it. If we simply default on our debt then we won't need the EU's money and they won't be able to insist that we raise our corp tax, it's very simple.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - That's the thing you see, I don't know what will be legally required of Ireland before being able to take the money. Will it just be their word on tax they have to give rather than sign an agreement? If so, the goverment should just raise the taxes and say "sure thing we'll keep 'em rasied", just for the time-being, but the Irish goverment seems reluctant which leads me into thinking they won't have the power to change it later on.
sigmaman93 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 `As i've already said none of that matters, none of it will be a concern if we simply default on our debt, we won't have to worry about any of that, it's a disgrace that we're paying debt that isn't ours in the first place.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - Well, I'll take your word for it that a default will cure the all the ills.
I think the UK will survive an Irish default, though it will hurt, but the EU will hurt the most and that suits me. It is a flawed political ideal and one that is now being realised by the very nations who once believed in the EU with a passion. Look at how disgruntled Germany was with Greece and how begrudging they were to help. The EU nations are out for themselves now and not so much the union.
sigmaman93 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 I never said it would solve all our ills or that it was the perfect solution, but it's certainly preferable to having the IMF and ECB come in. That's because you have 17 sovereign nations all of which have different economic strategies and needs using the same currency, you can't have one currency being used by 17 different countries all of which have different economic policies.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 Reluctant, what are you talking about? I've already told you that the Irish government has said that raising the corporation tax level is non negotiable.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 I don't think you understand how all this works.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 "How can Ireland ever be competitive again when, as Britain, we unfavoured islands of the mainland, where there priorities lie" I didn't understand a word of that.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe - Sorry, I'm wrestling a sandwich here and making some mistakes with the syntax of my messages..
What I mean is that both Britain and Ireland are merely looked upon as nusiance islands and not really a part of the EU proper. We'll never be truly equal.
Look at how Germany is treating you now. They don't want an island off Europe getting most of the investments from non-EU nations in to Europe, but either them (Germany) or at least the mainland. They don't want you to compete
sigmaman93 1 year ago
@sigmaman93 Right you've been given more than enough time to respond, I asked you once again to explain the situation over here and all I got from you was deafening silence, because you haven't a fucking clue do you, lol what a retard all you can do is talk bollocks and put your stupidity on display for all to see.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
...process.
VanDoodah 1 year ago
...Just because Ireland is one island, that does not make it one nation and it does not justify the belief that all of Ireland should be ruled in the same way by the same government. The north-eastern counties have a different national identity and they desire to remain part of the United Kingdom. If you don't like it, then you can move to the Republic. If you are already in the Republic, then kindly stop giving us your unwanted thoughts on our internal affairs (and glorifying the IRA in the...
VanDoodah 1 year ago
Ireland is a sovereign Nation
CredoCatholicJournal 1 year ago
lol my Serbian friend, I couldn't have put it better myself.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe ...forever friend`s... Irish and Serbs the breavest warrior`s ever see the world...BIG HEART from SERBIA for my brother OS[irish warrior]...
FuckTheUjke 1 year ago
...Fuck the Queen,fuck the scum England...FREEDOM FOREVER...
FuckTheUjke 1 year ago
...that the RAF were on the verge of total defeat by as early as 1940, in fact he did you another favour by ordering the Luftwaffe to redirect their air raids away from RAF bases and focus on London instead, not to mention how he let you off the hook at Dunkirk too, so you can thank your lucky stars that Hitler was such an incompetent leader, as you never would've had a hope of defeating Germany, and would've gone under in a matter of weeks just like the French, had he not lost interest in..
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
Great job,most people forget the brits have been raping,stealing,and murdering in Ireland for hundreds of years.
sjhannigan1 1 year ago
thanks for posting the song tho
rayjt17 1 year ago
Home Rule is Rome Rule (as it was then anyway), I can't be bothered to read all this shit, but the bottom line is, if there was a vote tomorrow, N.I would remain British
rayjt17 1 year ago
@rayjt17
I'm not exactly sure what point it is that you're trying to make, if any, but my point is, that any vote by the population of NI to remain british is irrelevant, as it wouldn't change the fact that britains prescence in NI is still illegal. Nothing can change that fact.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe
thats bullshit, Ireland has never ever been a 32 county Soverign nation, a vote irrelevant?, illegal? by what law, by what democracy, what are you some kind of facist, honestly explain
rayjt17 1 year ago
@rayjt17
even constitutional claims by the south have been removed
rayjt17 1 year ago
@rayjt17
Yes for the sake of peace, but you have to ask yourself why we had a constitutional claim on the north in the first place.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@rayjt17
I'm not a fascist rayjit, it's just that you have no understanding of the basic principles of democracy, which isn't at all surprising as you're from the north after all, you people aren't fond on democracy up there, never have been. If you're too stupid to be able to see how the partitioning of Ireland is inherently undemocratic, then there's no point in me explaining it to you is there? Fact is you lot like to talk about the principle of consent, but...
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@rayjt17
...where was there any respect shown by britain for the fact that the overwhelming majority of the people of Ireland never gave their consent to partition, there has never been a unionist majority of any kind in Ireland EVER and therefore no consent has ever been given by the democratic majority of the people of this country to have it partitioned, so any referendum in Northern Ireland on it's future constitutional status would be completely irrelivant, as Northern Ireland is an...
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@rayjt17
...illegal statelet, which doesn't now, nor has it ever, had a right to exist, and Ireland WAS united under Boru, the only bullshit here rayjit, is the bullshit that you people up there are led to believe in, and thus spew out, all over yt. Instead of listening to your unionist myths and fairytales, I suggest you go and read a proper history book, as you people seem to know nothing of Irish history as far as I can see.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe So you are saying that Ireland should be a single political entity because a tribal warlord managed to conquer it all the better part of 1,000 years ago.
Northern Ireland is not illegal under British law or international law. The old Irish governments may have held that it was under British occupation, but that doesn't mean that it is.
Most people in NI wish to remain a part of the UK. Bombing people isn't going to change that, I'm afraid.
VanDoodah 1 year ago
@VanDoodah Are you saying that the wishes of the democratic majority on this island who have no wish to be under british rule, nor have they ever, should be ignored because Ireland wasn't a single political entity for much of it's history, you see it works both ways. What most people in NI want is completely irrelivant as NI isn't a real country, there has never been a pro british unionist majority on the island of Ireland and there still isn't, that's a simple historical truth that britain...
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe You argued that Ireland should be united on the basis that a tribal chieftain united it the better part of 1,000 years ago. I pointed out that there is little if any historical basis for a united Ireland, except for when Ireland was under British rule.
The fact that Ireland is one island doesn't make it one nation or one country. Britain is an island, and we have Scots, Welsh and English, each of whom have their own distinct identities and own nationalist movements. To say...
VanDoodah 1 year ago
@VanDoodah I never made such an argument, YOU were the one to try and argue that Ireland had never been united and therefore there was no reason to assume it should be, I simply corrected you on your history, man you people are really thick aren't you. I told you already, the overwhelming majoirty of people on the island of Ireland don't want to be under british rule, that is a FACT that you can never dispute.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe I was replying to your argument that Ireland was united under Brian Boru, actually. This is your line of argument I am contesting here; I am not attacking a straw man.
"the overwhelming majoirty of people on the island of Ireland don't want to be under british rule, that is a FACT that you can never dispute."
You're yet to explain why that is a relevant point. Just because Ireland is an island doesn't mean that it should have one government.
VanDoodah 1 year ago
@VanDoodah Ireland is different from Britain, as while Britain is Welsh, Scottish, and English; Ireland is Irish. If you want to say that there is a high proportion of Scottish living in Ireland, then you would be right. However, that is because in 1649, Cromwell took over Ireland and placed Scottish Presbyterians in Ireland. Everyone else is IRISH. And if you are arguing that there is no historical evidence for a united Ireland. So what, some countries united late. Germany united in 1871.
hello5173 1 year ago
@hello5173 I consider everyone in Ireland to be Irish, even if they reject that term. I just don't see why one must choose between being Irish and British - surely the Northern loyalists can be both?
Please don't misunderstand me; I'm not some right wing, anti-Irish goon who considers the republicans to be invaders of the UK. I love Ireland, have always had a great time over there and am proud to be of Irish (Catholic and Protestant) heritage. I just don't understand republican arguments.
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hello5173 1 year ago
@VanDoodah ...has chosen to overlook for centuries, you can try spinning it anyway you want, but britain has absolutley no claim of any kind on any part of Ireland whatsoever and it never has, and that's as true today as it's been at any time in Ireland's history.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe
Great Britain has always had claim to Ireland and always will and when the republic rejoins the UK we can only continue the slaughter of the IRA!
bobslay12 1 year ago
@bobslay12 LOL yeah whatever, you keep smoking them fuckin drugs.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
@OpeningSalvoe May I also point out that you ignored (or even deleted) my point that Ireland is in a comparable situation to Britain here. Britain is an island (with smaller outlying islands, just like Ireland) with three different peoples; the English, the Scots and the Welsh. Do you think that a Scottish or Welsh nationalist would take me seriously if I said that "Britain is one island, therefore we should have one government"? I seriously doubt it. The same thing applies to Ireland...
VanDoodah 1 year ago
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dontbothertoreadthis 1 year ago
Wales is a country which is ruled from London lol dontbothertoreadthis thinks his country's capital is Brussels, yet another exapmle of the piss poor british education system, this time dontbothertoreadthis has shown it up for it's apalling lack of decent goegraphy teachers lol. Ireland is a country with a history of resillience in the face of oppression, conviction, and self respect, something that as a Welshman he's envious of lol. I base my opinions on what I know to be true of history,...
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
...and in this instance, they're opinions which are widely shared, particularily among the English lol.
Embarrassing & Humiliating for dontbothertoreadthis.
Now just how much more of this punishment do you want dontbothertoreadthis, because i'm never backing down, no matter what you say, i'm getting the last word here, because this is my video, and you came here first, so I can go on forever, humiliating both you and your country as i'm clearly much better at this than you.
OpeningSalvoe 1 year ago
So just how much more of this verbal bitch slapping are you prepared to take?
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dontbothertoreadthis 1 year ago
First of all, you'll notice that I nearly always give the word Nazi an upper case N, giving it a lower case N is for expediency, as the amount of shite that you come out with requires a lot of mopping up by me, and therefore a great deal of typing, and don't embarrass yourself even further by trying to compare the ocassional display of laziness by me in not using an upper case N to