You chose the wrong example to prove Hamiltons complaining, at Monza people encouraged Hamilton to appeal against Schumachers driving yet Hamilton said 'it's just racing'.
look how senna drive to defend his position.. may be it look dangerous, but for the real champion like prost and schumacher, that a real fighter... not like hamilton who always complaining about schumacher at monza 2011... now a days driver not like schumacher or prost or the great senna....
You Know How The F1 Is In These Days? Pure Electric Devices And All is more easy Like says my friend Niki Lauda ; Alonso Sucks and driving a F1 is too easy . maybe my grandpha can drive in it ( and my grandpha isnt exactly Alain Prost ) AND THE F1 Of the Classic Senna Prost Era? Oh My God! Its Pure Hability and Good Skill , Not enough to be lucky , you must be Good Like says my friend Murray Walker. So The 80s & 90s F1 era was the best like Michael Jacksons Thriller Era and Quincy Jones TV.
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@sonicgsxr750 yes way...a fucken "i´m touched by gods" driver like senna?..he´s overrated just ´cos he died..james junt was much funnier...even lauda or prost..but senna was an asshole
@jotaprv hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah, your mother told me what a dozey little shit you are, well i think thats what she said as she had her mouth full at the time and there was another 5 people in the room!
i am reporting you for abusive e-mails so you go right ahead with the abuse, stupid boy
@sonicgsxr750 reporting for what??abuse?? whatr abuse? i´m reporting you as well for "tocapelotas" emailing...call me stupid..pedazo de trozo de mierda reporting lo que tu puta madre diga,pero puestos a rajar..a ver si entiendes lo que te digo deformado!!
Overrated. Please tell me youre more than 30 years old and watched F1 every time. If not, please forgive my words SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! Or ahhh maybe youre from the US, and Mario Andretti, who happen to race with Senna with same car, but ... well.....
I just bought Senna porsche´s, the one he had in home in Portugal to drive when he was here. My god... driving the car were Senna made.. and lived so manu thing´s is one of the best sensations i had.... he is the best driver in the world and my only true hero, not only by his skills but because he was a marvelous person
Senna was blocking in any possible way side to side the whole track but nobody was paying much attention those days especialy the stewards. In todays f1 rules he would be black flagged!!
@HollywoodSheen obviously you dont watch F1 much last year was the best one since the early 90s and there will be more passing this year than any in the last 2 decades
@palinsuxdix I'm sorry but u can't be serious..u really think last season was better than any season since the early 90s? C'mon man, what about 07 Kimi winning by 1 pt over Lewis & Alonso in the last race of the season? How about 08 Lewis winning by 1 pt over Massa in the last race on THE LAST TURN? 2009 was horrendous and 2010 was ok. Granted 2011 is much better with the passing but still no comparison to open wheel racing in the 80s & 90s. Plus the talent on the grid bak then was unparalleled
@HollywoodSheen its because Today there are more better drivers.
Back then you had a 100hp power boost over your rival if you passed yet today most cars are very close to equal, not many drivers of the 80s and 90s would stand a chance in todays trim.
@InospeakAussie there are better drivers today? Sorry but no way. Half the grid is ride buyers. The cars today are loaded w/drivers aids, the cars back then had practically no driver aids, plus they had way more power. I can't see how anyone would think the drivers now are superior to drivers then.
@HollywoodSheen you know whats funny, 93 had more driver aids then any season combined, ABS, T/C, the lot all this stuff that is banned now. Look at the qualiy times between the team mates from that era and it confirms my point there was big differences in the team mates because the competetion wasn't close or competetive.
He was a God before he died. Seriously, he is not made to be a God because he died. People love & respect him alive or dead. He is not a God. A man respect for his skill & character. Your comment is insensitive.
senna is abit "overrated". I mean dont get me wrong, he is one of the greatest drivers of all time, but many people but him in nro 1 spot just because he died tragicly. just making a point.
d`accordo con tutti i ragazzi. quando lo sto guardando sapevo che Ayrton non puo vincere ma era un uomo chi non arrendeva mai , e si e fatto stupendo. adesso non e qualcuno really riesce a fare cosi bello How Prost said - in Fighting with Ayrton - power horses don`t mean a thing
Whatttt? More who is better debates? You can't say for sure what might and might not have happened if Senna hadn't of died, things happened the way they happened move on. Going by championship and race victories it goes Schumacher > Prost > Senna. That's if you go by stats, going by so many other factors it's impossible to tell who was best, with the competition, technological developments etc.
no questioning Schumacher's brilliance the figures speak for themselves (even if they don't account for team orders & blatant cheating...) but he wouldn't have achieved as much as he did had Senna not died, quite simply because he was better.
I think senna is , and always be one of the top f1 drivers, I'm not saying that Schumacher was not good, not at all.
And I really think that if it wasn't for senna tragedy, Schumacher wouldn't have those many championships, they wouldve been sennas, or at least most of them.
senna 64 poles 41 wins 160 races 3 championships in 10 years = 0.63
wins per pole position or 1.58 poles per win = 0.25 wins per race or 3.9 races per win = 1 championship almost every 3 years
schumacher 67 poles 91 wins 250 races 7 championships in 15 years = 1.4 wins per pole position or 0.73 poles per win = 0.36 wins per race or 2.7 races per win = 1 championship almost every 2 years
The competition level in Senna's time was way better. Schumi faced tough drivers at the start and end of his career. From 1994 to the early 2000s (spanning a length of time almost equal to Sennas entire career), it was a joke. The only world class competitor was Hakkinen and half the time he drove a steam powered car :)
You cant just rely on raw numbers, since these are entirely dependent on who you are racing against.
oh please... why are you people so bent on devaluating a legend? Disbelief maybe?schumacher took a team from mediocricy to legendary status wthin a few years and risked his won career in the process... to the best of my knowledge, senna did not acheive the same... right?
Anyway, schumacher raced for 5 years more than senna and has 4 world championships more and has more than double the number of race wins even though senna had only 3 poles less.
Nowhere in my post will you find any claim that Senna was categorically the best... nor any evidence of hate/ devaluation for that matter.
I just criticised the way you draw conclusions based on numbers that have no context. You are the only one making claims.
I have no issue with anyone who thinks Sch. is the best. But dont spout random numbers at me, I saw all those races and I am fully aware of the radical difference in racing conditions.
ok I apologise for drawing conclusions but you seemed to imply that.... but how are the numbers random..? check them out for yourself... And how are they out of context? in what situation would they be in context? you can use the stats however you want and can form you own opinion from them, but they remain and they are conclusive in this case.... schumi is the master of winning championships no matter which way you look at it....
Its just that the numbers depend on external factors that were very different in each driver's era. So the figures are not directly comparable.
Your original conclusion was that he was "best racer ever". I dont think one can draw that based on stats from different contexts.
Statistics are not useless, but always ask why those stats are the way they are. Thats one reason why experts/ drivers will disagree so much, and why Senna keeps popping up at the top of lists/ polls.
I was actually arguing with another guy who was making the same argument for Fangio. Apparently the guy has some 45% win ratemaking him the best ever. The fact that it was done in the 50s, when the sport was very young, seemed to have no bearing for him. The stats were final.
Anyway, I think a number of drivers are in contention incl Prost, Fangio and Clark. My fav is Senna, and I can make a good case for him, but in the end we will never know conclusively. That was my only point really.
I've heard the argument about Fangio before and perhaps he was the best but that is really hard to say because the difference in eras was massive... you could have had some cars 20 - 30 seconds per lap slower than others which is impossible even for the last 20 years... schumacher and senna actually raced each other and there is nothing to say that senna was any better than schumi or vise versa so thats why I say they are both great... but shumacher's stats back up his driving imo...
u forget say something 1992 -1993 first full season for schumacher 1 victory first full season remember ./ senna 5 victory chamionship / first full season for schumacher championship schumacher 53 point P3/ senna 50 point P4 not bad for noob first season front senna u cant say he is bad u cant
who was his oponents when he was the champion...he runed with the slowers...senna was the real hero...with a poor car he could bite the giants..think about.
I agree with u with the part that u say Senna was the best.
but I dont agree with ppl who comparess Schumi to Senna. no1 can say that Schumi is a bad driver.
just to answer the dumbs who say Ferrari always chosen bad drivers as a team mate to Schumi or who say they gave bad cars to his teammates. is the owner of Ferrari Schumi's father? why will they choose him? why not another driver? why not u or if u r too young ur father? why him?
yeah...and the 96 ferrari was not as poor?....he could also beat villeneuve and hill for 3 times....in a true shitbox! so...please don't compare things which you can't compare...
@kirmy1 As i watch (closely) F1 since more than 20 years, i think that u absolutely don't know what you're talking about. And Montoya had a very, very fast car. He was just stupid. A fast driver, but not a F1 driver. Think about what you're saying.. how can a 7 time world champion be over rated ??????
@guiscozzi Schumacher was biting Senna before this great man died... anyway.. no one can tell who is best between all those GREAT champions... what about Fangio, J.Clark, Lauda, Alonso... ? One thing is sure, Shumacher is the greatest champion for now...
Schumacher was penalised for his car and after the penalties, still won the championship. And the reason Schumacher is greater than Senna is that he didn't need pole positions to win races. Many many more race wins than pole positions. Senna won less than 2/3 of the races that he started from pole. Couldn't he drive more than 1 lap fast? Schumi is Clearly and undisputedly a better racing car driver. AND Senna was a far greater cheat - 1990 Suzuka is just one example of what a terrible sportsman
Different eras. Schumi became a master of the sprints-between-pitstops era.
At his time, Senna was only rivaled by Prost in similar car. He was a cut above everyone else.
Once he was in a competitive car again, he blew everyone away, including Schumi, in the first few races of 94 with four poles only for his car to to let him down when leading the race, the last time quite tragically, of course.
i totally disagree with you.Schumacher was by far the biggest cheater in the sport.remember the incident in 1994,the incident in 1997, monaco qualifying 2006, austria 2002.all of schumi 's team mates had worse cars to drive.and to prove that senna is better driver in 10 years racing senna had 64 poles instead of schumi's 65 poles after 15 years of racing.and to sum up every team mate of schumacher was a second driver in the team.senna though always fought to be the team's first driver.
Senna, in a clearly inferior McLaren-Ford with customer HB V8, still won five races and out-classed Schumacher in the top-specification Ford powered Benetton. This was probably Senna's greatest year if you think about the machinery he was driving.
@Audioquest56 Sennas HB 5 had 100 hp less than Prosts Renault V10 and minus 20-25 hp to Schumachers HB 7 (HB 6 was never used as Ford did a miscalculation on it causing catastrofic engine failures). Senna used HB 7 from Germany GP on in the second half, Silverstone was the last race with HB 5. watch in the vid from how far away comes Prost on beginning Hangar straight and how much he is gaining. such big differences you never can see nowadays.
You know what cracks me up? You make too much excuses between this whole Schumacher vs Senna nonsense. The point is that a baby young driver beat a legendary F1 driver of his era on a fair and square race in more than 1 occassion. WIN is a WIN as long as you don't kill your opponents on the race track.
@hlidskjalf666 Umm, why the hostility, asshole? Don't fucking tell me I'm stupid, I was watching F1 races probably before you were in diapers. Engine power had A LOT to do with performance in the early 1990s. Unlike today where engines are basically spec'd out.
you´re problaby wearing diapers as we speak (cause of age ) Senna had the benefit of early launch control, active suspension, more downforce .
If you w a t c h e d all races in the mid-90s. how come you didnt pay attention the fact that Michael drove a underdog car compared to the superior mclaren,williams etc.
@hlidskjalf666 OK jackass, explain why Senna campaigned Ford to give him the higher specification HB engine that Benetton had? Who gives a shit about Scum-macher anyways? He wouldn't have won jack shit if Senna hadn't died in 1994.
@hlidskjalf666 Look man, I don't know who shit in your cornflakes, but you're the son-of-a-bitch that came on here to start an arguement. Instead of being civil and arguing in a logical manner, you immediately insult me and call me stupid. WTF? Do I even fucking know you? What right to you have to call me stupid? You're a 23 year old punk who was five fucking years old when this race took place. It's shitheads like you that cause problems in the world. Go attack someone else.
@Audioquest56 It was Senna's greatest year. No other driver on the planet could have won five times in a car that down on power. No other driver on the planet would have the audacity to try to win in that car. He was supposedly down 120 hp to the Renault and about 60 to the Benetton-Fords. McLaren actually did get access to the A-spec Ford engine late in the season, but no factory support. They finally got the setup right for the last two races of the season. Senna won them both.
Senna was fast. Got a few poles but he doesn't hold that record. He wasnt the best driver for many of his racing years. Schumacher had eclipsed him by the start of 1994, and had a very big lead in the championship by the time Senna crashed at Imola.
benetton was given race bans for cheating .. and everyone knows he cheated in basically every race .. and in another vid schumacher had the nerve to say senna's driving style was cheating ??!!??!! what a twat
The McLaren chassis wasnt the greatest as well, lets face facts, McLaren had gone off the boil, Williams had a Newey designed, Renault powered car, and Schumi had a car powered by a factory Ford and designed by Rory Byrne. But all we can say is ifs, fact of the matter is, he had a slower car, but was just fast enough to fight and it excellent to watch
why is everyone defending senna? just face it, he wasnt fast enough to keep up. period. who cares if it was the tyres, engine or he just woke up on the wrong side of the bed. it doeasnt change anything.
his car wasn't fast enough.. he was the fastest ever!
the 93 mclaren had a ford hb v8 5 specs behind the ford hb v8 in schumis benetton.. those were the conditions under which benetton allowed ford to sell to second teams that year because they had the contract... senna still won 5 gps that year and ended 2nd in the title chase..
you know that silverstone is all about horse power so thats why he was slow.. don't forget he won monaco 93 where power doesn't count for nothing only skill
This year McLaren had Ford engines. Senna was fucked this season. He clearly didn't have a good car. IN 1994 he went to Williams to do the "Prost" win an easy title in the best car. Unfortunately we had the tragedy. But we missed out on some great racing and a great driver.
JMRRF, Senna was defeated by Alain and Michael, right. But don't forget that, after Ayrton's battle with Prost, He had destroyed his tyres and it was easy for Schumi to beat him. Anyway, it's not Schumacher's fault but Ayrton's: in his useless battle with Prost, trying to keep Prost behind even with Alain having a much superior car, He lost the chance to keep his tyres for a decent battle against Michael, his real opponent that day given the circumstances.....
Schumacher's Benetton was superior to Senna's McLaren. The Ford Engine in Benetton was about 80hp faster than McLaren, that gave Schumacher about 0,7 seconds PER LAP. That's a strong difference.
Senna showed the world that year why he is the best ever. With the third car (behind Williams and Benetton) he managed to win five races (against only one from Schuey) beat one Williams and two Benettons, staying just behind Alain "the professor" Prost and his Williams.
Take a good look at the shot 0:09 - this is the greatest concentration of talent ever seen - any sport, any place, any time - the brilliant Prost, the mighty Schumacher and the almighty Senna. It was an honour just to be there and see it live.
Schummy overtaking Senna? I would have thought these moves are usually censored in YouTube. Because in YouTube, Senna was the greates and Schummy the cheat...
I'm just joking, 5 stars for this bit of F1 history, 3 of the greatest of all times. The greatest trio to have raced together for sure.
it's not about this. is about that Senna had a MEDIOCRE car, that 93 McLaren was like 92, a piece of crap. Schumacher's Benneton was adjusted by NELSON PIQUET(best mechanic ever! since he was who fix his cars XD)
Schumacher didn't know HOW to adjust it. so Nelson did it to him.
Schumacher with a better car, and Senna just don't care about him, Senna just let him pass. Senna couldn't compete with him and Prost, not with that car
Oh really? Well if his Mclaren was a piece of crap than how come he won races? But here in Silverstone he made a fool of himself. How pathetic. In 1992 Senna's Mclaren had the Honda engine - one of the best engines and Schumacher kicked his ass in the inferior ford engine.
1993 Mclaren - Ford, a piece of crap engine, the benetton's was a high spec prepared Ford, exclusive, because Benetton had a pre-existing contract as the Ford factory team
both teams had active suspension, but no one like the advancements of the william's technology
How? He is SENNA, that's why he won races. You should watch some races from those years before saying crap.
The honda in 1992 was a piece of crap, just a clueless like you would say it was one of the best engines. Schumacher just got luck, Senna retired from many races while on first place due to the Honda engine you're talking about. If it was not for those retirements Schumacher would've stayed way far from Senna that year.
Ayrton had a sucking car that allowed him to fight against Schumi, not Prost or Hill. He took the chance for a pointless fight against Prost, He worn his tyres, and worse, He over consumed fuel, so finally, Prost won the race, Schumi overtook him, and He retired with his fuel tank empty. It was a pity: being Ayrton a little bit more intelligent (which He was in fact) He would have arrived 2nd. The problem here (as always), is that He was dominated by his usual rage against Prost. Bad decision!!!
@firbell
You chose the wrong example to prove Hamiltons complaining, at Monza people encouraged Hamilton to appeal against Schumachers driving yet Hamilton said 'it's just racing'.
55DJL 1 month ago
look how senna drive to defend his position.. may be it look dangerous, but for the real champion like prost and schumacher, that a real fighter... not like hamilton who always complaining about schumacher at monza 2011... now a days driver not like schumacher or prost or the great senna....
firbell 1 month ago
SCHUMACHER THE GREATEST!!!
interdsshit 2 months ago
You Know How The F1 Is In These Days? Pure Electric Devices And All is more easy Like says my friend Niki Lauda ; Alonso Sucks and driving a F1 is too easy . maybe my grandpha can drive in it ( and my grandpha isnt exactly Alain Prost ) AND THE F1 Of the Classic Senna Prost Era? Oh My God! Its Pure Hability and Good Skill , Not enough to be lucky , you must be Good Like says my friend Murray Walker. So The 80s & 90s F1 era was the best like Michael Jacksons Thriller Era and Quincy Jones TV.
TheEdRock77 3 months ago 4
this video show clearly that Senna has the worst car...
Josovki 3 months ago 4
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jotaprv 4 months ago
senna ..so overrated...
jotaprv 6 months ago
@jotaprv no way dude
sonicgsxr750 6 months ago
@sonicgsxr750 yes way...a fucken "i´m touched by gods" driver like senna?..he´s overrated just ´cos he died..james junt was much funnier...even lauda or prost..but senna was an asshole
jotaprv 6 months ago
@jotaprv never heard of james junt,lol and so are you, you obviously have no clue about the sport, go and play with your skateboard
sonicgsxr750 6 months ago
@sonicgsxr750 i´ll play with your mom stupid asshole..lick my balls like senna la nena..hard cacafuti deep salami dale dale por culo a tu mami
jotaprv 5 months ago
@jotaprv hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah, your mother told me what a dozey little shit you are, well i think thats what she said as she had her mouth full at the time and there was another 5 people in the room!
i am reporting you for abusive e-mails so you go right ahead with the abuse, stupid boy
sonicgsxr750 5 months ago
@sonicgsxr750 reporting for what??abuse?? whatr abuse? i´m reporting you as well for "tocapelotas" emailing...call me stupid..pedazo de trozo de mierda reporting lo que tu puta madre diga,pero puestos a rajar..a ver si entiendes lo que te digo deformado!!
jotaprv 5 months ago
Overrated. Please tell me youre more than 30 years old and watched F1 every time. If not, please forgive my words SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! Or ahhh maybe youre from the US, and Mario Andretti, who happen to race with Senna with same car, but ... well.....
jbaeumle 4 months ago
wonafan woss on comentwee
Xaime20 6 months ago 2
I just bought Senna porsche´s, the one he had in home in Portugal to drive when he was here. My god... driving the car were Senna made.. and lived so manu thing´s is one of the best sensations i had.... he is the best driver in the world and my only true hero, not only by his skills but because he was a marvelous person
manuelmoedas 7 months ago
@manuelmoedas
Parabéns!
Como te invejo!
Onde o arranjaste?
Mete vídeos desse carro no youtube!
ourafilmes 7 months ago
Das war wenigstens noch Formel1 und nich so ein kack wie heute, wo man am anfang der Saison sagen kann wer Weltmeister wird.
Gratisticket 8 months ago
Senna was blocking in any possible way side to side the whole track but nobody was paying much attention those days especialy the stewards. In todays f1 rules he would be black flagged!!
ringtraining1 8 months ago
that is called blocking folks..I thought Senna was such a saint...
PeterMayer 8 months ago
It's Johnathan Woss!
blainyrules 9 months ago
LET'S GO SHOEMAKER!
ThePhoKing1 9 months ago
Hahahahahaha! Si surt el Briatore fins hi tot! Quina llàstima no haver vist aquestes carreres, i quina llàstima perque no es veuran mai més...
takito1992 9 months ago
there was more action in that 1 minute clip than in F1 in the last 3 years.
HollywoodSheen 9 months ago 32
@HollywoodSheen
Apparently you haven't been watching F1 this year.
LordTyrannus 8 months ago
@HollywoodSheen obviously you dont watch F1 much last year was the best one since the early 90s and there will be more passing this year than any in the last 2 decades
palinsuxdix 8 months ago
@palinsuxdix I'm sorry but u can't be serious..u really think last season was better than any season since the early 90s? C'mon man, what about 07 Kimi winning by 1 pt over Lewis & Alonso in the last race of the season? How about 08 Lewis winning by 1 pt over Massa in the last race on THE LAST TURN? 2009 was horrendous and 2010 was ok. Granted 2011 is much better with the passing but still no comparison to open wheel racing in the 80s & 90s. Plus the talent on the grid bak then was unparalleled
HollywoodSheen 8 months ago
@HollywoodSheen its because Today there are more better drivers.
Back then you had a 100hp power boost over your rival if you passed yet today most cars are very close to equal, not many drivers of the 80s and 90s would stand a chance in todays trim.
InospeakAussie 8 months ago
@InospeakAussie there are better drivers today? Sorry but no way. Half the grid is ride buyers. The cars today are loaded w/drivers aids, the cars back then had practically no driver aids, plus they had way more power. I can't see how anyone would think the drivers now are superior to drivers then.
HollywoodSheen 8 months ago
@HollywoodSheen you know whats funny, 93 had more driver aids then any season combined, ABS, T/C, the lot all this stuff that is banned now. Look at the qualiy times between the team mates from that era and it confirms my point there was big differences in the team mates because the competetion wasn't close or competetive.
InospeakAussie 8 months ago
@HollywoodSheen Hahahaha Excellent remark.. :D
azynkron 4 months ago
isso sim é F1...
luizsscaixeta 10 months ago 2
Senna the best driver !!!
marquinhorocha 11 months ago
he just cut them off in the corner. brave man
johnnie5ive 11 months ago
@johnnie5ive
brave? stupid and wreckless...
thats maybe why senna caused 16 COLLISIONS with other drivers in his dangerous carieer.
hlidskjalf666 10 months ago 4
He was a God before he died. Seriously, he is not made to be a God because he died. People love & respect him alive or dead. He is not a God. A man respect for his skill & character. Your comment is insensitive.
the1truebeliever 11 months ago
Senna is my hero, and he will always be. Greetings from finland
Zobzon69 1 year ago
Rest in peace, Senna. From Brazil.
kynigh 1 year ago
senna is abit "overrated". I mean dont get me wrong, he is one of the greatest drivers of all time, but many people but him in nro 1 spot just because he died tragicly. just making a point.
TheOriginalGayman 1 year ago
@TheOriginalGayman Are you serious? Or just trying to get a bite. Your statement is ridiculous.
the1truebeliever 11 months ago
@the1truebeliever why? I said he is one of the greatest drivers, but just because he is dead doesn't make him a god, like alot of people are doing.
TheOriginalGayman 11 months ago
Senna hai havuto 3 forse 4 championship...
Schumacher hai havuto 7 Championship, ma senza (Prost,Senna,Mansel,Piquet) nella via. Guidare da solo e facile!
sochutao 1 year ago
Just to finish the discussion about who's better...2010 pilots voted Senna the best...
shiyzu 1 year ago
didnt know jonathan woss enjoyed f1 :p
THM2008 1 year ago 2
Senna was reaIly amazing. I remember that in 1993, compared to Prost's Williams, Senna's McLaren was a VW Beetle.
2elka2 1 year ago 3
Mcwalen XD
jacobyne 1 year ago
@jacobyne LOL xD
SydDante 1 year ago
senna gets munched up on the straights only... shumi and hill were also both great drivers but senna was something else.
gringopirate 1 year ago
d`accordo con tutti i ragazzi. quando lo sto guardando sapevo che Ayrton non puo vincere ma era un uomo chi non arrendeva mai , e si e fatto stupendo. adesso non e qualcuno really riesce a fare cosi bello How Prost said - in Fighting with Ayrton - power horses don`t mean a thing
natsinrock 1 year ago
Whatttt? More who is better debates? You can't say for sure what might and might not have happened if Senna hadn't of died, things happened the way they happened move on. Going by championship and race victories it goes Schumacher > Prost > Senna. That's if you go by stats, going by so many other factors it's impossible to tell who was best, with the competition, technological developments etc.
64Fabby 1 year ago
Senna el mejor
madj4 1 year ago
Alain Who?
no questioning Schumacher's brilliance the figures speak for themselves (even if they don't account for team orders & blatant cheating...) but he wouldn't have achieved as much as he did had Senna not died, quite simply because he was better.
footlongtallywacker 1 year ago
senna car problems lol . . senna is the best
cristianopeclat 1 year ago
I think senna is , and always be one of the top f1 drivers, I'm not saying that Schumacher was not good, not at all.
And I really think that if it wasn't for senna tragedy, Schumacher wouldn't have those many championships, they wouldve been sennas, or at least most of them.
bullitt042001 1 year ago
@bullitt042001 ...same for Bellof...
breitling911 1 year ago
senna the mobile road block
3y3sho7 1 year ago
senna 64 poles 41 wins 160 races 3 championships in 10 years = 0.63
wins per pole position or 1.58 poles per win = 0.25 wins per race or 3.9 races per win = 1 championship almost every 3 years
schumacher 67 poles 91 wins 250 races 7 championships in 15 years = 1.4 wins per pole position or 0.73 poles per win = 0.36 wins per race or 2.7 races per win = 1 championship almost every 2 years
Conclusion -
Senna master poleman = best qualifier ever
Schumacher master race winner = best racer ever
neil248 2 years ago
These statistics are kind of out of context.
The competition level in Senna's time was way better. Schumi faced tough drivers at the start and end of his career. From 1994 to the early 2000s (spanning a length of time almost equal to Sennas entire career), it was a joke. The only world class competitor was Hakkinen and half the time he drove a steam powered car :)
You cant just rely on raw numbers, since these are entirely dependent on who you are racing against.
alin1975 1 year ago
oh please... why are you people so bent on devaluating a legend? Disbelief maybe?schumacher took a team from mediocricy to legendary status wthin a few years and risked his won career in the process... to the best of my knowledge, senna did not acheive the same... right?
Anyway, schumacher raced for 5 years more than senna and has 4 world championships more and has more than double the number of race wins even though senna had only 3 poles less.
Stop hating man, they are both great...
neil248 1 year ago
Hey, stop putting words in my mouth.
Nowhere in my post will you find any claim that Senna was categorically the best... nor any evidence of hate/ devaluation for that matter.
I just criticised the way you draw conclusions based on numbers that have no context. You are the only one making claims.
I have no issue with anyone who thinks Sch. is the best. But dont spout random numbers at me, I saw all those races and I am fully aware of the radical difference in racing conditions.
alin1975 1 year ago
ok I apologise for drawing conclusions but you seemed to imply that.... but how are the numbers random..? check them out for yourself... And how are they out of context? in what situation would they be in context? you can use the stats however you want and can form you own opinion from them, but they remain and they are conclusive in this case.... schumi is the master of winning championships no matter which way you look at it....
neil248 1 year ago
Its just that the numbers depend on external factors that were very different in each driver's era. So the figures are not directly comparable.
Your original conclusion was that he was "best racer ever". I dont think one can draw that based on stats from different contexts.
Statistics are not useless, but always ask why those stats are the way they are. Thats one reason why experts/ drivers will disagree so much, and why Senna keeps popping up at the top of lists/ polls.
alin1975 1 year ago
I was actually arguing with another guy who was making the same argument for Fangio. Apparently the guy has some 45% win ratemaking him the best ever. The fact that it was done in the 50s, when the sport was very young, seemed to have no bearing for him. The stats were final.
Anyway, I think a number of drivers are in contention incl Prost, Fangio and Clark. My fav is Senna, and I can make a good case for him, but in the end we will never know conclusively. That was my only point really.
alin1975 1 year ago
I've heard the argument about Fangio before and perhaps he was the best but that is really hard to say because the difference in eras was massive... you could have had some cars 20 - 30 seconds per lap slower than others which is impossible even for the last 20 years... schumacher and senna actually raced each other and there is nothing to say that senna was any better than schumi or vise versa so thats why I say they are both great... but shumacher's stats back up his driving imo...
neil248 1 year ago
Michaels' a 7 time world champion.
Enough said.
xsagradoxcorazonx 2 years ago
even a dumb would notice that the mclaren was an inferior car....senna ´´the best all time´´
rdtli 2 years ago
Senna qualified THREE SECONDS slower than both Williams-Renaults. That's how much power and downforce he was giving away to them.
ilferrari 2 years ago
Schumacher is very bad!, And still say he was better than senna ..... UAShusuashasuhUASh EVER! with a premium car struggled to get through senna.
senna 1993 5 victories
shumi 1993 1 victory with a top car
dc200610 2 years ago
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yes schumacher is the best
kokaiy 2 years ago
u forget say something 1992 -1993 first full season for schumacher 1 victory first full season remember ./ senna 5 victory chamionship / first full season for schumacher championship schumacher 53 point P3/ senna 50 point P4 not bad for noob first season front senna u cant say he is bad u cant
kokaiy 2 years ago
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dc200610 2 years ago
senna died...and who schumacher had to bite??
who was his oponents when he was the champion...he runed with the slowers...senna was the real hero...with a poor car he could bite the giants..think about.
guiscozzi 2 years ago 46
I agree with u with the part that u say Senna was the best.
but I dont agree with ppl who comparess Schumi to Senna. no1 can say that Schumi is a bad driver.
just to answer the dumbs who say Ferrari always chosen bad drivers as a team mate to Schumi or who say they gave bad cars to his teammates. is the owner of Ferrari Schumi's father? why will they choose him? why not another driver? why not u or if u r too young ur father? why him?
amokachi31 1 year ago
@guiscozzi 7 91 65
kokaiy 1 year ago
@guiscozzi
Schumacher helped Ferrari to be one of the Topteams, don't forget about that ;)
NesoDomino 1 year ago
@NesoDomino
I would reverse that and say ferrari made him into a great driver. He's the Brett Favre of F1
00Billy 1 year ago
@00Billy
Strange. Michael was a young "star driver" already 1994,1994.
He could easily join williams or some other dominant team.
When Schumacher joined ferrari 1996. They won as much they did 1991-1995........
And Ferrari was driven by some guys named Prost, Mansell and G. Villeneuve
hlidskjalf666 10 months ago 6
@hlidskjalf666
I overstated it a bit. Granted but none of them retired and came back......Ego is a nasty thing.
00Billy 10 months ago
@guiscozzi
yeah...and the 96 ferrari was not as poor?....he could also beat villeneuve and hill for 3 times....in a true shitbox! so...please don't compare things which you can't compare...
kartcorse19 1 year ago
@guiscozzi
Schumacher beat senna in 1992 belgien (as well as Mansell)
Schumacher beat senna several times,and was his biggest threat in 1994.
Schumacher retired half the pack, Senna "raced" against ! (or rammed xP )
Schumacher made all look like monkeys for over a decade.
hlidskjalf666 10 months ago 4
@guiscozzi and that's why Schumacher is a racing legend, but Senna a God.
pmlopmlop 8 months ago
@guiscozzi Best man!
mazzatello2010 7 months ago
@guiscozzi
are you dumb ?
what about hakkinen
he took atleast 2 titles away from schumi
and then came alonso with the renault launch control
rastamees 6 months ago
@guiscozzi montoya was faster than schumi in a car that was worse and had only a few years f1 experience schumi is properly over rated
kirmy1 3 months ago
@kirmy1 As i watch (closely) F1 since more than 20 years, i think that u absolutely don't know what you're talking about. And Montoya had a very, very fast car. He was just stupid. A fast driver, but not a F1 driver. Think about what you're saying.. how can a 7 time world champion be over rated ??????
arthusthefirst 3 months ago
@arthusthefirst your not a real f1 fan, your a schumacher fan and as such are blinded into thinking that schumi was the greatest
kirmy1 3 months ago
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@kirmy1 once again, you are totaly wrong... but you seem to be used to it
arthusthefirst 3 months ago
@kirmy1 Hey dude Montoya sucks Alright
TheEdRock77 3 months ago
@TheEdRock77 he might suck at turning left but in a proper racing series hes always near the top
kirmy1 3 months ago
@guiscozzi Schumacher was biting Senna before this great man died... anyway.. no one can tell who is best between all those GREAT champions... what about Fangio, J.Clark, Lauda, Alonso... ? One thing is sure, Shumacher is the greatest champion for now...
arthusthefirst 3 months ago
Schumacher was penalised for his car and after the penalties, still won the championship. And the reason Schumacher is greater than Senna is that he didn't need pole positions to win races. Many many more race wins than pole positions. Senna won less than 2/3 of the races that he started from pole. Couldn't he drive more than 1 lap fast? Schumi is Clearly and undisputedly a better racing car driver. AND Senna was a far greater cheat - 1990 Suzuka is just one example of what a terrible sportsman
kileenjj 2 years ago
Different eras. Schumi became a master of the sprints-between-pitstops era.
At his time, Senna was only rivaled by Prost in similar car. He was a cut above everyone else.
Once he was in a competitive car again, he blew everyone away, including Schumi, in the first few races of 94 with four poles only for his car to to let him down when leading the race, the last time quite tragically, of course.
afghanforlife 2 years ago
i totally disagree with you.Schumacher was by far the biggest cheater in the sport.remember the incident in 1994,the incident in 1997, monaco qualifying 2006, austria 2002.all of schumi 's team mates had worse cars to drive.and to prove that senna is better driver in 10 years racing senna had 64 poles instead of schumi's 65 poles after 15 years of racing.and to sum up every team mate of schumacher was a second driver in the team.senna though always fought to be the team's first driver.
dreadalex 2 years ago
in 1993, senna had 70hp less than willians team in your mclaren!!!
senna you are a hero!!!
minosso 2 years ago
Good bye Briatori... I wish you never come back
Alcidesuos 2 years ago
best ever battle. ever
dj7oya 2 years ago
Gilles Villeneuve vs Rene Arnoux in Dijon 1979
watch that, best duel ever filmed
SteveSpicerPortsmuth 2 years ago 2
@SteveSpicerPortsmuth : OK, but that was edited... this battle between AS, AP n MS was not. so, i think this one was better.
my opinion...
dj7oya 2 years ago
very good battle.
mackey12160204 2 years ago
1:08
spartanmiki 2 years ago
Cazzo, questa si che era F1
SuperMetronomo 2 years ago 2
3 pilots, 14 titles ! waouw !
ferra260 2 years ago 3
..You forgetting about Hill there...
hofsteveO 2 years ago
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rja1977 2 years ago
wow he did well there considering what an uncompetitive car the mclaren was in 93
burgy2590 2 years ago 3
Is that J. Ross narrating?
rdf1988 2 years ago 2
Senna, in a clearly inferior McLaren-Ford with customer HB V8, still won five races and out-classed Schumacher in the top-specification Ford powered Benetton. This was probably Senna's greatest year if you think about the machinery he was driving.
Audioquest56 2 years ago 46
Yes, he even shortly led the championship at the beginning of the season.
The McLaren MP4/8 was a good car but it was sadly underpowered by the customer Ford V8
SteveSpicerPortsmuth 2 years ago
@Audioquest56 Sennas HB 5 had 100 hp less than Prosts Renault V10 and minus 20-25 hp to Schumachers HB 7 (HB 6 was never used as Ford did a miscalculation on it causing catastrofic engine failures). Senna used HB 7 from Germany GP on in the second half, Silverstone was the last race with HB 5. watch in the vid from how far away comes Prost on beginning Hangar straight and how much he is gaining. such big differences you never can see nowadays.
sargatanas88 1 year ago
@Audioquest56
You know what cracks me up? You make too much excuses between this whole Schumacher vs Senna nonsense. The point is that a baby young driver beat a legendary F1 driver of his era on a fair and square race in more than 1 occassion. WIN is a WIN as long as you don't kill your opponents on the race track.
vm2003 1 year ago 2
@Audioquest56
Are you stupid.
* The Mclaren won mechanic-title 3 years in a row.
* The Egine is not everything,heard of aerodynamics ?
* Michael, he was beating the field in 1994 driving a V8 compared to the V10 of Hill.
hlidskjalf666 10 months ago 4
@hlidskjalf666 Umm, why the hostility, asshole? Don't fucking tell me I'm stupid, I was watching F1 races probably before you were in diapers. Engine power had A LOT to do with performance in the early 1990s. Unlike today where engines are basically spec'd out.
Go to school, loser.
Audioquest56 10 months ago
@Audioquest56
Hostility against morons.
you´re problaby wearing diapers as we speak (cause of age ) Senna had the benefit of early launch control, active suspension, more downforce .
If you w a t c h e d all races in the mid-90s. how come you didnt pay attention the fact that Michael drove a underdog car compared to the superior mclaren,williams etc.
hlidskjalf666 10 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 OK jackass, explain why Senna campaigned Ford to give him the higher specification HB engine that Benetton had? Who gives a shit about Scum-macher anyways? He wouldn't have won jack shit if Senna hadn't died in 1994.
Enough already, go jump in a lake.
Audioquest56 10 months ago
@Audioquest56
buhu go cry xD.
Senna was 34 year,old and did many mistakes before his tragic death.
Schumacher "could" beat him and did so. 1992 for instance. If Schumacher joined the strong williams team i am not sure it would be as you wish.
Leave,cuz your a dickhead without anything worth mention
hlidskjalf666 10 months ago
@hlidskjalf666 Look man, I don't know who shit in your cornflakes, but you're the son-of-a-bitch that came on here to start an arguement. Instead of being civil and arguing in a logical manner, you immediately insult me and call me stupid. WTF? Do I even fucking know you? What right to you have to call me stupid? You're a 23 year old punk who was five fucking years old when this race took place. It's shitheads like you that cause problems in the world. Go attack someone else.
Audioquest56 10 months ago
@Audioquest56 It was Senna's greatest year. No other driver on the planet could have won five times in a car that down on power. No other driver on the planet would have the audacity to try to win in that car. He was supposedly down 120 hp to the Renault and about 60 to the Benetton-Fords. McLaren actually did get access to the A-spec Ford engine late in the season, but no factory support. They finally got the setup right for the last two races of the season. Senna won them both.
derkommissar1917 7 months ago
LOL @ Flavio Briattore on 0:59
WladcaKrakersow 2 years ago
The Malboro pack, Senna never drove a Bennetton...
peixecoruja 2 years ago 2
who of the two cars is senna ?
i remember to senna driving the two cars D= !
brynzech 2 years ago
Senna is driving the Mclaren
TheMazaro 2 years ago
senna !!!! o maior!!!!!!!
absoluto!!!!!!
melkidesjr 2 years ago 6
There never was nor will people be able to halt after Senna.
cashmoneyflow31 2 years ago 3
The best is Senna. Senna >>>> All.
zanetiman 2 years ago 4
edit. was the best for many of racing years
kileenjj 2 years ago
Senna was fast. Got a few poles but he doesn't hold that record. He wasnt the best driver for many of his racing years. Schumacher had eclipsed him by the start of 1994, and had a very big lead in the championship by the time Senna crashed at Imola.
kileenjj 2 years ago
Schumacher's Benetton of 1994 wasn't even LEGAL
illegal traction control and the refueling of Benetton was also cheating
Not to mentio Senna had 65 poles from 161 starts to Schumachers 68 in 250 starts!
When Schumacher had 161 starts he didn't even have half the poles of Senna
Senna could put a Lotus on pole 8 times in 1986 against totally superior Williams and McLaren cars.
Metallicakicksbutt 2 years ago 3
It's amazing how good Senna fought for his position with that McLaren. Gotta love him!
Tebacka01 2 years ago 4
Its a shame senna died. That year would of been brill to see who would of won between him and schumy
ingrogies1 2 years ago
If Damon Hill was 1 point away from becoming champion in 1994 imagine what Senna could have done?
Metallicakicksbutt 2 years ago 2
benetton was given race bans for cheating .. and everyone knows he cheated in basically every race .. and in another vid schumacher had the nerve to say senna's driving style was cheating ??!!??!! what a twat
TuneViper 2 years ago
The McLaren chassis wasnt the greatest as well, lets face facts, McLaren had gone off the boil, Williams had a Newey designed, Renault powered car, and Schumi had a car powered by a factory Ford and designed by Rory Byrne. But all we can say is ifs, fact of the matter is, he had a slower car, but was just fast enough to fight and it excellent to watch
Erkal2006 2 years ago
why is everyone defending senna? just face it, he wasnt fast enough to keep up. period. who cares if it was the tyres, engine or he just woke up on the wrong side of the bed. it doeasnt change anything.
vjanik 2 years ago
i race u. u have corolla, i have enzo. hope ur skill is good enough
carmodifire 2 years ago 5
his car wasn't fast enough.. he was the fastest ever!
the 93 mclaren had a ford hb v8 5 specs behind the ford hb v8 in schumis benetton.. those were the conditions under which benetton allowed ford to sell to second teams that year because they had the contract... senna still won 5 gps that year and ended 2nd in the title chase..
you know that silverstone is all about horse power so thats why he was slow.. don't forget he won monaco 93 where power doesn't count for nothing only skill
kouzouka 2 years ago 2
senna would've been so pissed of with his car that year. a three time world champion with a customer engine in the back of his car...
wolfmother4eva 3 years ago
Never forget one thing: Senna had the words engine than schumacher, hill and prost
telofav 3 years ago 2
those where times.
On this day nobody has the balls to perform manouvers like that
groeneslang 3 years ago 4
This year McLaren had Ford engines. Senna was fucked this season. He clearly didn't have a good car. IN 1994 he went to Williams to do the "Prost" win an easy title in the best car. Unfortunately we had the tragedy. But we missed out on some great racing and a great driver.
TorgeistLLN 3 years ago 3
where did this great racing go...
hhJACK92 3 years ago
wow - exiting vid. Thanks.
androidfarmer 3 years ago
Senna defeated by Prost and Schumacher. The german had less difficulties in a Benetton.
JMRRF 3 years ago
JMRRF, Senna was defeated by Alain and Michael, right. But don't forget that, after Ayrton's battle with Prost, He had destroyed his tyres and it was easy for Schumi to beat him. Anyway, it's not Schumacher's fault but Ayrton's: in his useless battle with Prost, trying to keep Prost behind even with Alain having a much superior car, He lost the chance to keep his tyres for a decent battle against Michael, his real opponent that day given the circumstances.....
lucianoestivill 3 years ago
SENNA EL MEJOR DEL MUNDO!!!
superberetta 3 years ago 5
honda engine not the best engine lol..
telofav 3 years ago
Hamilton nearlly won the title in his first year, does that make him great ? NUPP.
WR250HUSKY 3 years ago
anyone know why on earth jonathon ross is speaking there? never knew he was into f1
martybags72 4 years ago
Schumi was new to F1 then and gave the other two something to think about, in an inferior car too !
WR250HUSKY 4 years ago
Schumacher's Benetton was superior to Senna's McLaren. The Ford Engine in Benetton was about 80hp faster than McLaren, that gave Schumacher about 0,7 seconds PER LAP. That's a strong difference.
Senna showed the world that year why he is the best ever. With the third car (behind Williams and Benetton) he managed to win five races (against only one from Schuey) beat one Williams and two Benettons, staying just behind Alain "the professor" Prost and his Williams.
LouieGee 3 years ago
os tres melhores da F1
garoshyda 4 years ago
brilliant, can't race that close in the modern F1 car or throw them around like that. it's physically and aerodynamicaly impossible.
1000chairs 4 years ago
Massa and Kubica showed that it is possible.
LouieGee 3 years ago
Take a good look at the shot 0:09 - this is the greatest concentration of talent ever seen - any sport, any place, any time - the brilliant Prost, the mighty Schumacher and the almighty Senna. It was an honour just to be there and see it live.
mallamoozoo 4 years ago
your right mallamoozoo, u won;t see a better sight than 3 F1 legends!!
gazza1388 4 years ago
Schummy overtaking Senna? I would have thought these moves are usually censored in YouTube. Because in YouTube, Senna was the greates and Schummy the cheat...
I'm just joking, 5 stars for this bit of F1 history, 3 of the greatest of all times. The greatest trio to have raced together for sure.
schrodcat 4 years ago
it's not about this. is about that Senna had a MEDIOCRE car, that 93 McLaren was like 92, a piece of crap. Schumacher's Benneton was adjusted by NELSON PIQUET(best mechanic ever! since he was who fix his cars XD)
Schumacher didn't know HOW to adjust it. so Nelson did it to him.
Schumacher with a better car, and Senna just don't care about him, Senna just let him pass. Senna couldn't compete with him and Prost, not with that car
Taikamya 4 years ago
Oh really? Well if his Mclaren was a piece of crap than how come he won races? But here in Silverstone he made a fool of himself. How pathetic. In 1992 Senna's Mclaren had the Honda engine - one of the best engines and Schumacher kicked his ass in the inferior ford engine.
Tirana20 4 years ago
The Honde engine of 1992 is not the best engine.
zardinho 4 years ago
1:he won races because he was the best.
2:in 1992 Senna's Mclaren had the ford engine.
kolobarades 3 years ago
1992 Mclaren - Honda...that broke in 8 races
1993 Mclaren - Ford, a piece of crap engine, the benetton's was a high spec prepared Ford, exclusive, because Benetton had a pre-existing contract as the Ford factory team
both teams had active suspension, but no one like the advancements of the william's technology
2Dante 3 years ago
How? He is SENNA, that's why he won races. You should watch some races from those years before saying crap.
The honda in 1992 was a piece of crap, just a clueless like you would say it was one of the best engines. Schumacher just got luck, Senna retired from many races while on first place due to the Honda engine you're talking about. If it was not for those retirements Schumacher would've stayed way far from Senna that year.
LouieGee 3 years ago
you don't understand about f1... 92's mclaren was the worst mclaren honda ever
otavio0123456789 3 years ago
Worse than the 91's Mclaren? Tell that to the japaneses, they will like to know XD
JMRRF 3 years ago
in 91 Senna was champion with the mclaren honda, the car could not be so bad...
otavio0123456789 3 years ago
Ayrton had a sucking car that allowed him to fight against Schumi, not Prost or Hill. He took the chance for a pointless fight against Prost, He worn his tyres, and worse, He over consumed fuel, so finally, Prost won the race, Schumi overtook him, and He retired with his fuel tank empty. It was a pity: being Ayrton a little bit more intelligent (which He was in fact) He would have arrived 2nd. The problem here (as always), is that He was dominated by his usual rage against Prost. Bad decision!!!
lucianoestivill 3 years ago 3
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OnTheRocks7 4 years ago
It´s Prost. Hill is leading the race ahead of them before he sufferes an engine failure.
65unlimited 4 years ago
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OnTheRocks7 4 years ago
So you shoudn't say anything before you are absolutely sure. That's why forum discussions are a mess, lots of people talk what they don't know.
LouieGee 3 years ago
two very good drivers !
Overbook 4 years ago
Great Battle!
deadmanCLR 4 years ago
test
Damonthedamon 4 years ago