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  • " Vivian Krause' is in to research. Look for her 3 interviews on Youtube. American foundations have payed over $90 million to promote their own Amarican industries. Millions of that money went to so-called grassroots protests in western Canada. Why didn't these foundations put any money to enviromental action in the Gulf of Mexico, on the eastren seaboard or the Alaskan coast? Perhaps they may have been better off watching thier own environment, instead of promoting circus acts in Canada.

  • Looks like the Alaska salmon are also being looked at. Want Wild? Alaska Seafood Processing creates dead zones

    September 28, 2011

    Trident Seafoods Corp. to Pay $2.5 Million to Resolve Clean Water Act Violations and Spend More Than $30 Million to Upgrade Processing PlantsSettlement to reduce discharges of seafood...

    

  • When did David Spade go petard?

  • The protest in Victoria yesterday wasn't very funny was it? You guys are TOAST.

  • @Alaskrab All put on by American activist Alex Morton. Funded by American activists. And lets not leave out the Scottish pot stirer Don Staniford who de-faced a national. Just a publicity stunt at its best. You may want to ask why your King and and chum salmon in Alaska are on the study list Alaskrab. Too many salmon being farmed up there?

  • @Folkboat11 You guys crack me up. I would love to see BC's salmon populations last, but at this rate they won't. Our kings and chums are doing fine, I guess I'll just have to enjoy Alaska's fisheries...

  • @Alaskrab Realy Alaskrab. According to Newsminer com your chum salmon is faltering. Perhaps you may want to catch up with the times. Our wild stocks are returning in record numbers this year. Enough to open a wild fishery for the first time in 4 years. Sport fishing is having a hay-day :) .. I am waiting to hear from the experts on the devastation. 

  • @Alaskrab Also check out The Turdra Drums article 'Scientists to study Western Alaska salmon declines" published May 5th 2010. This $435,000 project seems to imply your salmon up there ain't doeing so well. Do you suppose Morton will blame this on fish farms? OH YA, you dont farm up there do you. So the word on the street says anyway.

  • @Folkboat11 this is for the yukon River King salmon population which are being affected by pollock trawlers. You need to know what you're talking about before you start talking. More or less all of your posts and replies are out of context or false man. I hate to say it but you're relying on bogus media and / or using information without having any background or knowledge on the subject. I'm done trying to correct you - you are hopeless my friend. Good luck.

  • @Alaskrab pollock is in the family cod of which could have negative consequences for the world food supply and the entire Bering Sea ecosystem if fished out. Halibut, salmon, endangered Steller sea lions, fur seals, and humpback whales all eat pollock and rely on healthy populations to sustain themselves. Do you realy not think the 1.5 billion salmon Alaska pumps out each year does not have an affect on pollock stocks? Its funny you can still point your finger at farmers.

  • @Folkboat11 I don't even know how to reply to such incoherent rubbish.

  • @Alaskrab Do not worry about it. I didnt think you could anyway.

  • I would love to know where you get this information. Like I've said before, you're talking to a fisherman who has been there for the actual. None of this information is correct. I hope that no one is taking this guy seriously.

  • @Alaskrab Alaska chinook salmon are on the endangered species list according to the Alaska Department of Fish and Game web site. Horrific overharvest in commercial, recreational, and subsistence fisheries, as well as devastating ((hatchery-produced fish, disease, release)) and other man-made factors such as destructive water diversion, may contribute to the decline of the chinook salmon stock.

  • @Folkboat11 HAHAHAHAHAHA. More b.s. from mr. know it all.

  • @Alaskrab So happy you had a laugh on that one :) . I took lessons from Alex Morton's writing. I am sure you know her. The US has funded millions to her to discredit farmed salmon and promote wild salmon. aka Alaska salmon. She uses words like "may contribute" as I did in my last post. Problem is.. Many readers will take the comment as fact and not something that could be studied to find the fact. To sound like Morton again. Stop Ranching Alaska and get out. How does it feel?

  • @Folkboat11 Alright my friend. Here it is:

    I do not begrudge you for being a fish farmer. I understand that you are probably on the defensive with all of the anti - fish farming sentiment going around BC right now. But you need to choose your battles. For instance, maybe it would be a better idea to spend your time defending your industry to the people of BC, rather than trying to find flaws in Alaska's fisheries. To me, it seems like you're wasting your time.

  • Also, like I have mentioned before, you're not talking to some nut from greenpeace. I grew up in Alaska, fish in Alaska, have a fisheries management degree from the University of Alaska, have worked for hatcheries, and know what is happening. I am currently a full time fisherman because commercial fishing in Alaska is very lucrative.

  • I don't want to sound condescending, but you don't have a single argument that I couldn't pick apart. You fight like a wet noodle my friend. You use hear say in your arguments. Your arguments are almost always absent of fact. What arguments that you make that do contain fact, are out of context.

  • The fact is that Alaska uses wild stocks of salmon to supplement areas that have had run issues. Prince William Sound, for instance has had run failures since the oil spill in '89, but have been bolstered back up to strong viable runs thanks to the hatchery programs.

  • I personally have never fished in an area where we have caught hatchery fish. I grew up seining in Kodiak, one of the top salmon seining areas in the world, and gillnetting in Bristol Bay. Bristol Bay is something you should look into. Our runs have been up and down over the last 100 years, but never have we implemented a hatchery program, and to this day we consistently have the strongest Sockeye run on the planet.

  • If you ever have any questions, please feel free to ask. But I really don't have time to argue with you anymore.

    Regards,

    Lance Underwood

  • @Alaskrab Here are a couple of questions for you. 1. Why has Alaska been busy demonizing fish farms just because its wild salmon competes with B.C.’s farmed salmon for market share. 2. Ms. Morton and other environmental groups have received tens of millions in funding from huge U.S. charitable trusts, including the Moore and Packard foundations, for the salmon farm debate. Why? I can see now how a fisheries management degree would beleive in Morton's fishy salmon science.

  • Alaska is not the one demonizing fish farms. BC is demonizing fish farms. Although I can see why US charitable trusts would donate money to oppose fish farms. Fact is, you're not going to find anyone in the US in favor of salmon farms. Oregon, Washington, and Alaska all voted to keep salmon farms out of their waters for good. Don't forget either how much Canadian support has been given to try to get the farms out.

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  • @Alaskrab " Fact is, you're not going to find anyone in the US in favor of salmon farms". Why do most of BC's farmed salmon go to the US and we can not fill their want for more?? Looks like Alaska can not fill it either with the 1.5 billion plastic tray, open net held pellet fed salmon either.

  • I've still yet to meet a fish farmer that can put out much a debate. Alexandra Morton's "fishy science" is just one name out of hundreds that have been researching the impacts of farming Atlantic Salmon in BC's Pacific waters. The sad fact my friend, is that the only people that are finding salmon farms to be clean and sustainable are researchers that are being funded by aquaculture corporations. You won't find a single objective researcher in your favor. Next.

  • @Alaskrab Packard also spent millions on campaigns to persuade Wal-Mart and Safeway to carry Alaska wild salmon instead of farmed B.C. salmon. Not coincidentally, Alaska has also been busy demonizing fish farms, because its wild salmon competes with B.C.’s farmed salmon for market share.Thursday's Globe and Mail by Margaret Wente. Try again. Nice market ploy although.

  • @Alaskrab "I personally have never fished in an area where we have caught hatchery fish. I grew up seining in Kodiak, one of the top salmon seining areas in the world, and gillnetting in Bristol Bay". Now you have me laughing at this one. Anyone else that is interested on the BYCATCH Alaskrab does google Bristol Bay bycatch and Kodiak bycatch.

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  • @Alaskrab "I personally have never fished in an area where we have caught hatchery fish". That comment is wrong. Do you as a wild fisherman in Alaska have a problem with hatchery fish from Alaska?

  • No problem here. I think hatcheries are a great thing. But you are making it out as if all we catch in Alaska are hathery fish. That my friend, is wrong. Buty where I fish - there are no hatcheries or hatchery fish that are caught, so no, that is not wrong. Like I said this whole thing is like arguing with a 6 year old - you might as well quit now, man.

  • @Alaskrab sorry if you have that impression. Fact is up to 41% of Alaska salmon on the market are raised in trays, pellet fed, held in net pens for up to 12 months. How doe's the consumer know if they are buying a wild salmon that you catch, or a hatchery salmon, or a mixture of the two? Not all salmon return to their origin.

  • 41 % of pink salmon are of hatchery origin. This is because these fish are coming from Southeast Alaska and Prince William Sound. Still all of these fish are raised from wild eggs and milt. Anyhow, if people want to know that the fish that they are eating don't come from a hatchery, buy sockeye, chum, chinook, or coho. And remember, these hatchery fish are from wild stock, are not fed any pigments or medications, they never have to be vaccinated, and they don';t carry diseases like Atlantics...

  • @Alaskrab "I personally have never fished in an area where we have caught hatchery fish. I grew up seining in Kodiak, one of the top salmon seining areas in the world". On state.ak.us it says for Kodiac, the enhancement program accounted for 44% coho, 26% pink, 14% sockeye, 10% chum salmon in 09.

  • @Alaskrab "I personally have never fished in an area where we have caught hatchery fish. I grew up seining in Kodiak, "The KRAA and their enhancement projects have been such a big part of the commercial salmon fishery in Kodiak. They produced upward of 30 percent of the harvests at times. It’s been quite a good benefit for the commercial fishery,” says Kevin Brennan retired from the Alaska Department of Fish and Game in September 2005. Your own Kodiak Daily Mirror.

  • Yep. I haven't seined in about 5 years now. But when I was, the Kitoi Bay hatchery was just starting to contribute. Now up in Kitoi Bay they do catch hatchery fish. I fished on several Native owned boats, and we mainly worked the mainland accross from Kodiak and the south end of the Island - both places where the hatchery fish do not show up. Good research man, but you still need to know the area and whats actually going on to pipe up. Go ahead and research Bristol Bay or the Alaska Peninsula...

  • You're some guy from Canada talking out of context,and out of his ass,about places you've never been, and things that you don't understand. Please, don't bother me any more. Go farm your salmon and I'll go catch some WILD ones. Make your $9.00 an hour until your industry goes tits up. I'll go make a damn good living on a well managed, natural, sustainable, and disease free resource. The End.

  • @Alaskrab You have no idea where I have been or what I understand. You are only speculating as you do in all your comments. Starting wage is around $15 for most farming companies with a very good benifit and health / dental program. Canadian consumers are starting to ask where the salmon they are buying comes from. Alaska or BC? If its from Alaska advertized as wild, we know there is a 41% chance this fish was raised in a tray, fed pelets, held in open net pen. That is a farmed fish my friend.

  • @Folkboat11 Quit playing on thed computer and get back to work fish farmer! Your comments might help change people's view on disease ridden farmed ATLANTIC salmon in BC, but people love WILD Alaskan salmon - whether it was in a hatchery for a few months and released into the wild with the rest of its Pacific family or not. You're wasting your time! Get back to work!

  • Here's a good one for you...How come the BC fish farming industry is fighting for regulations that would allow them to seel their product without having to even test their fish for diseases? That fact that fish farmers don't want the public to know what their fish are eating (dyes,and livestock feces), what kind of diseases they're carrying (Infectious Salmon Anemia for one) is laughable considering that they also want their fish to be certified organic!

  • @Alaskrab We test our fish prior to harvesting for the market. This enables our buyers to know what the test results are. Untill a coulple of years ago, wild salmon were not tested. Now we find farmed salmon have less contaminants than your so called wild form Alaska. But dont burst a blood vessel Alaskarab. Both your Alaska farmed and BC's farmed are well under the red line and just fine to eat. Its just the Alaska competition that says eat Farmed Alaskan salmon.

  • @Alaskrab The only reason Alaska raises salmon in hatchery factory farms, is because your so called wild salmon fishery was Never Sustainable. Just be proud you still have a job because of the farming up in Alaska. For as long as hatchery factory farms have been used to supplement the commercial fishery in Alaska, I do not see how can you say you are a wild fisher/person or have caught a truly wild salmon.

  • @Folkboat11 You are so confused man. factory farms? Anyhow, the only commercial salmon fishing that I do anymore is Bristol Bay Sockeye. 100% Wild. Always has been, always will be. Strongest Sockeye runs in the world. Always has been, always will be. Like I said, you are confused / and or dumb. You kind of remind me of a Canadian George Bush - you truly believe your own lies. Funny stuff.

  • @Alaskrab A recent study published by the University of Washington has been the subject of much discussion. In the study, the authors posit that substantial numbers of dropouts from commercial gillnet gear in Bristol Bay have been observed in the spawning escapement population of sockeye salmon in Wood River, Fish displaying obvious signs of past encounters with gillnets have lower rates of survival and spawning success than those fish not showing such signs. Need a farm factory there?

  • @Folkboat11 That is true. Dropouts don't always survive. What's your point? Another out of context statement. We don't need need any hatcheries out in Bristol Bay. You're an idiot...

  • @Alaskrab My point is Alaska has inpacts on the wild stocks as anything else humans do to servive. It looks like it takes an idiot to bring this up.

  • @Alaskrab Lets talk disease. Salmon Anemia? Here it is called Marine Anemia. Also there is Bacterial Kidney Disease, Loma, Setticemia, Vibrio, and IHN, ect, that is carried by free range stolks of salmon and many pacific fish species. I hope farmed salmon in Alaska are tested for these diseases prior to release as our smolts are tested prior to salt water disease free entry. also do you test your fish prior to market? We do. 

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  • I think what all of you are missing in your comments is the reason we need to raise salmon on farms in the first place. For people who live in areas where salmon were once plentiful, the Pacific Northwest as an example, salmon were an integral part of not only their diet, but their lives and culture as well. A food source as important as salmon was treated with great respect by the First Nations people, and they never took more than they needed, even though they could. These fish were considered

  • Dear Sointula2;

    I'm happy to let your comment remain on my page. No better way than this to expose the utter crap that gets repeated by liers like you. As you wrote that comment, Pink salmon in BC are returning to their rivers in incredible numbers. Chinook and Coho are also doing very well. And to suggest we want to kill wild salmon...you're an idiot.

    One more thing, mercury has never been a remote concern in salmon.

    Please post again. Good to expose your stupidy and lies.

  • Sointula2;

    Another great example of either; a) your complete lies or, b) your complete stupidity. Either one is bad.

    Where do you get "90% of wild salmon" in BC have died". Perhaps you are only referring to one stock of one species of one river. Highly selective data my friend.

    Now, let's include the other species of salmon and all rivers into the mix.

    Just one example - record returns of pink salmon to BC rivers. If you live in Sointula, you probably know that. Shame on you.

  • @Sointula2 i live in bc and that is a lie

  • @tyler1768 Thanks! Sure appreciate having some common sense and fact from people that live and work in BC.

  • @schmarly2007

    no prob peta's only tactic is to make shit up for donations

  • More funny protesters! Some are boring, others are scary and some are like this group - funny!

  • I'm working on a Norwegian Salmon farm and I can assure you that the fish are getting healthy and safe food. So they are beeing taken good care of.

    But do this guys know what a salmon is?

  • fishing is awsome! it does not make us IDIOTS and its not UNHEALTHY. dont listen to the hippie PETA faggots. EAT MEAT. its healthy

  • You're absolutely wrong and misinformed, as are the other oblivious ones who rated your comment up. This is about CAGE FARMING fish, not veganism.

  • @ScopedOUT2 Woah buddy. Got a little sand in your vagina or something?

  • You spent way too much time replying to this video (5 times?). Get a life. But I will happily leave your comments up - it's good to show people how freakin' crazy you are. I think you need some iron in your diet.

  • if you made this video u need to get a fuckin life grow some balls and come talk to some guys sportfishing because you will end up KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT

  • I sport fish also Drywalle. I also am involved in stream restoration and salmon enhancement. I have also fed "wild smolts" feed pellets and intentionaly let them go into the ocean. I hope you didnt knock yourself out catching one of them. :)

  • Their is a difference between humans, and some other species. Humans don't need meat! Meat is unhealthy for humans, meat helps destroy the planet. Get over it, you have any idea how good it feels, to eat something healthy, and afterwards not feel like a fat ass? It's great! Vegetarians/vegans live on average 6 to 10 years longer then meat eaters,I wonder why? The longest living person was a veg she died at age 122. You guys you can still have fun in your lives, without making someone feel pain

  • lol i dont want to live to 122 lmao

  • excuse me. YOU FUCKING HIPPIE FAGGET! if we didnt eat meat, that would cause over population for animals and that is a bad thing. meat is HEALTHY. your UNHEALTHY i nthe head you fuckin hippie wussy mo faggot. please dont fuck animals you hippie PETA member fuckin faggot

  • Last i read, Farmed or wild salmon have less contaminents then some fruits, veg's and meats. Eat what you want Ichiebem. If you feel pain over what I eat then that is your upbringing. I feel great about what I eat and I can only hope that sometime in your 122 years you can get over it.

  • Humans don't deserve everything, especially when someone is "being murdered for 20 minutes of pleasure, harassed, or shot in the head, just cus someone felt like it" Wake up, it's wrong. Would would the world be like without human rights? Hmmm beyond chaotic, although it still is, since idiots are hard to control. Hey you have the power to allow these animals, to have a natural life, you should get over your selfs, and try some new foods, stop being such pricks about vegies. bye

  • What's this "making someone feel pain" crap? An animal is "someone" to you? In the case you're missing something, I'd like to share a secret to you: ANIMALS KILL EACH-OTHER from the beginning of life on Earth. ANIMALS cause PAIN to each-other since the first amoeba. Without mercy or remorse. That's the way life works. LIFE IS DEATH. Get over it, as one may say.

  • but do animals mass produce other animals in dirty pens for the sole purpose of being systematically slaughtered? as a human with a conscious its our job to decide whats right and what isn't, you can't compare us to other animals because the closest thing on the planet to us are monkeys, and they're vegetarians. go watch slaughter factory videos and tell me if you think what you see is right

  • First, monkeys are NOT vegetarians. The chimp, our closest genetic relative, eats fruits, insects, eggs, animals, even other monkeys. Is that vegetarianism? Second, the human body is NOT designed for a vegetarian diet. We have canine teeth, our intestines are too short for plant-only food, our body cannot synthesize fatty acids and some proteins and vitamins that can be obtained only from meat, not to mention some minerals that can also be obtained only from meat. Third...

  • ... that "go watch slaughter factory videos" thing denotes that the real motivation for your stance is purely emotional. Like I said, we need meat and to get it we have to kill animals, and this may not be pretty. We cannot rely on hunting like our ancestors did because that would wipe out wildlife in an instant, so we have to grow animals in farms. The fact that today's factory farms are "dirty pens" is another story, we can improve on that, but giving up meat altogether is absurd.

  • i agree, i would love for the conditions in factories to improve. but, even though animals can't comprehend good and evil, it doesn't mean that crimes humans commit against animals aren't evil. you're right the idea of evil only exists in humanity, for as you say humans CAN comprehend evil, but we go on with out actions, indifferent to it. meat is just protein and vitamins which we have the ability to produce or find elsewhere (soy products, vitamin supplements)

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  • From the philosophical point of view, right or wrong are notions that apply only within human society. They are not defined for animals simply because animals have no knowledge about things like good and evil. Dog eat dog, does that mean anything to you?

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    P.S. If you are a religious person we can discuss the matter from the religious point of view. Are you in?

  • But do humans mass produce chickens, cattle, pigs, vegtables, fruit, that are systematically slaughtered Erevis? Not to mention the land use and the tree's cut down for your vegetarian consumption. Want to continue the double standing? I am here.

  • there old vids and out of date look at the slaughter houses in 2010 alot better cleaner and better

  • @Erevis they even kill other monkeys for food. do not think for one second mother nature cant be a bitch. cats like to play with their food before eating it.

  • You eat animals, you support animal slavery, it's not good to be in denial. If I were a animal, I would make it my life's goal to run as far as I could from the "retarded human beings' We're not smarter then them. All the pain/moronic actions come from the stupid type of male, they kill their own species even, just proves that humans lack many critical thinking skills. "wars etc" You're all apart of the problem, if you don't stand up, and say enough, good luck finding peace

  • This is true, I a vegan now. No animal deserves to be used for us, even if they do taste good, that's like saying well hey I was horny so I raped a women, despite the fact that she did not want it. People whom continue to eat animal products, are simply greedy, and don't really deserve respect. Their is no limit for compassion, the only people whom don't deserve respect is greedy half wits.

  • Fuck you hippie faggot

  • I LOVE IT! The idiotic statements like katiekurtz (below) confirm that SOME (I emphasize 'some') people out there are completely ignorant about aquaculture. Either that or they are deaf - if katiekurtz is deaf, then I apologize. But, assuming she can read(?), lets go over it again for katiekurtz: no GMO, no hormones, no dyes. One more time: no GMO, no hormones, no dyes...

    Keep the stupidy coming, it only proves my point that those who are the loudest seem to be the most uneducated.

  • Gross, I woudl much rather eat natural than eat the nasty genetically modified garbage produced by salmon farms. The thought of the fleshy GREY garbage that comes out of those places disgusts me. The feed that famred salmon eat is so laced with antibiotics and hormones that Salmon farmers actualy DYE the flesh to disguise the GREY FLESH of the FAKE salmon. Gross.

  • Katietkurtz. I would rather eat farmed salmon than take more from the wild. Hormones are not used in the feed. Any medication used has a mandatory withdraw period before harvest. Dye is not used. Salmon get there colour from a needed vitamin. dont eat shrimp or broccoli if you dont want to get dye'd. Ask your self why why your meat is red.

  • HA ha ha ha, get a grip of yourselves you bunch of hippies!!!!!! PROUD TO BE A SALMON FARMER ALSO!!

  • I like how that guy with the speaker thingy is wearing a wool sweater. lol

  • Dear Stinkinape;

    You recommend 'we' do research, and in the same breath you state that genetic defects happen when farmed breed with wild. First of all, in BC, most farmed salmon are Atlantic and are therefore unable to breed with Pacific salmon - they are a different species. Secondly, what are your thoughts about the BILLIONS of ranched and enhanced salmon that CAN and DO breed with their own species? Do some research and come back to me.

  • Listen you bunch of poorly educated idiots. Salmon farming IS destroying wild stocks. It may be a stupid protest but what they say is true. Salmon farms destroy the sea bed below because of the fish excrement, sea lice which congregate around farms kill smolts going out to sea, and escaped farmed salmon spread genetic defects when they breed with wild salmon. I recommed you do a bit of research.

  • What they are saying comes from poor science funded by $20,000,000 from the Moore foundation. This is all propaganda that has sucked you in Stink. Show me the real science you are talking about. Its not there.

  • Just because these idiot's do drugs does not mean farmed salmon do.

  • these guys need to get a clue...i work on a salmon farm and there not putting drugs in the salmon, the only thing they are doing is giving sick fish medical feed which is helping not killing...and how is growing salmon hurting the salmon population isnt it increaceing it?

  • Now you see what to much LSD will do to you!

  • "The Moore Foundation" According to page 76 of their 2004 tax filing to the Internal Revenue Service, the $560,000 grant to SeaWeb was to provide "a high quality tool-kit and coordination infrastructure for use by ENGOs (environmental organizations) in their campaigns to shift consumer and retailer demand away from farmed salmon."

  • Alexandra Morton and John Volpe are profiled at SeaWeb as photographers.

  • Both wild and farmed are comparable. there is nothing wrong with either. What is unhealthy is to listen to the sewage that flows freely out of the NGOs mouth.

  • Why is wild salmon healthier to eat when processing plant are putting a tri-sodium solution in them to make the wild salmon cook moist and not dry? This is a chemical.

  • What a pile of shite! I farm fully organic salmon, fed by all natural feed. No chemicals or antibiotics form the time they are put in salt water till they are killed. We even have to kill them in the most humane way and least stress. These hippies are taking over the world. But by following there stupid rules we get a much greater price for our fish. ha ha

  • What is this video supposed to be? I couldn't hear a thing over the pitiful music. Try a good videographer next time.

  • Sputnik306 (aka Jim Fulton), thanks for commenting. I was hoping that a paid spokesperson for the Suzuki Foundation would have a more mature comment than that. Wait...no that IS what I'd expect. Don't worry about what the guy says 'cause he doesn't make any sense anyways.

  • Ha, Ha, how true.

  • Awesome video.

    I'm proud to be a salmon farmer!

  • Love the sign at the end - perfect with the music. Right on.

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