In the Repubic of Hawaii, Kaiulani had not powers, and no government position. This disabled her from being a representative, and would have been a major conflict of interest. Dole was able to represent some of her ideas, although with some trepidation as he of course was in support of the provisional government agenda. But, the committee of safety was sure that most citizens would support the overthrough of the apparently corrupt monarchy under the Kalakaua dynasty.
God forbid, the Kawananakoa boys David/Jonah are hanai nephews of Kalakaua and Liliuokalani. The Kawananakoas including Abagail Kawananakoa have no bloodline connecting them to Kalakaua or Liliuokalani. They were adopted into the Kalakaua dynasty. The Kalakaua dynasty lost the kingdom because of incompetance and extravogance. Restore the Kamehameha line or establish a new dynasty. If the illusion / delusion comes true for restoration of a kingdom. Lets keep it real and no more superstition
@MolokaiAlika Restore the Kamehameha line? If you understood the laws implemented in the 1880s you'd be aware of the possible rulers other than the attendees of the Royal School to be considered as "alii" per the 1864C Art. 22.
I am Native Hawaiian of a chiefly line, but errors occurred in the Kalakaua dyanasty that sealed the Kingdom's fate. Both Kalakaua and Liliu were extravogant in their spending and they were incompetent as rulers. Strong willed, stubborn and impulsive. This lead to concerns by the Hawaiian community. Her attempt to initiate a revised constitution that would give her more power was of concern, since the dynasty was already impetuous. Liliu's signing of abdication concluded the revolution. Pau
jazzysorano,we object to the 'whore' mentality. A US/Peruvian actress riding on a bicycle through Waikiki covered with coconut oil projects a prostitute looking for a score.We object to the same prostitute standing infront the US/White House covered with crude projecting energy of a chocolate sundae for all the world to see.We don't need to fill the world with lies, Chevron/Texeco-Wacco told enough lies to their stockholders and their American voters.As Joe Belinger explains in his movie 'Crude'
Even Hawaiian Homeland 50% hawaiian blood. It's ridiculous. Filipinos, blacks mexicans & others misfits find a voice by hating haolis. Royals welcomed haolis into their lives, beds and lineage, sought haoli education, culture & built all their royal buildings in haoli style as you see in the palace behind him. But, shhhhh.....
Victimology at work. They define & refine their victimhood as needed . Further, they are all kings and queens in their own hawaiian tale. It's their land and wealth that was stolen. The land belonged only to the royals and the subjects owned nothing. Brutal rules & taboos with death penalties contolled natives. It is significant that the royals embraced haolis and european culture since only they were the only decision makers.
i think the movie would be good... i live in australia and all most people know about hawai is pearl harbour and surfing.... i think people will maybe not be so ignorant of the past if a movie puts an interest to it.... though im prob gunna get told of coz im still waiting for the video to load.. i guess though no matter how much injustice the film gives the story atleast it may inspire more people to read about it ....
Yeah. Everyone already knows. There are only a few stupid people left on earth that actually believe in FICTION! So what's the harm? . . . if it's only going to effect the stupid ones? Think about it.
Protest!?! Has this guy even done any research? If he'd actually seen the trailer he'd have understood that the word "Barbarian" was carefully added in order to illustrate the very audacity of it...the audacity of the fact that people in her time were trying to defame her by calling her names. That's what the movie makers were trying to shed light on. And in the trailer she looks nothing like a barbarian. They acurately portray her as an educated noble woman. So what's his problem?
See what I find strange is that in the script, which I read when I learned about the protsts, Dole is a bad guy. He does stand up for letting kanakas vote at the end but that's after he's been a jerk the whole time. He was just feeling a little sympathy for the Princess.
In the movie script it's pretty obvious that the takeover is completely illegal, unwarranted, horrible, and everything that he says--Hawaii is a kingdom being occupied. So I'm not sure what his problem with the movie is?
there's one slight little problem with the "apology bill" he's quoting. public law 103-150 was pushed through by senators akaka and inouye, two politicians from hawaii with very obvious agendas and bias. mainland politicians are CLUELESS about hawaii's past, so inouye and akaka had an easy time pulling one over on the gov't. but the apology was based on the BLOUNT REPORT, which was overturned later by the facts in the MORGAN REPORT. they used the report the U.S. gov't REJECTED. see the problem?
@Thunderlizard2 . . . Liberal agenda is to be ashamed of the U.S. and whites in particular have done. The apology bill was nonsense and just a political stunt. REMEMBER, there was no protesting royalty, and not all hawaiians were in good standing with the royals. I doubt any of them would gladly go back to being a slave.
We do have a voice! But a creative voice speaks louder than a destructive voice. Instead of painting yourself as some wacko by protesting this and protesting that why don't you try actually doing something with that energy! The reason these ha'ole are making this movie is because it's a story that MUST BE TOLD. And as of yet there have been no good movies about this topic done by Hawaiians. The only thing Hawaiians have done is complain. Somebody has to stop sitting on their fat okole!
im sure you have a real good point; but if you're going to stand up for Hawaiian rights, please learn how to pronounce your words....such as kanakas. im sure you're used to the slang kanaks...but its kuh-nuh-kuh!
& one last things; after reading constitution and the process of becoming a sovereign...Abigail Kawananakoa is not the Princess.
Shame on the Friends of 'Iolani Palace and the Department of Land and Natural Resources for allowing this without seeing the script first. Shame on OHA for not doing more since they are also responsible to help preserving Hawaiian culture and history.
Competant. With due respect, so was Gavan Daws and Michner but look what they wrote. You need to really be able to understand the period. It was a period of Hawaiian nationalism clashing with American imperialism. I think Hawaiians or historians from the 3rd world who have experienced colonialism can related and be sensitive. But this is like telling the American revolution from the point of view of George III.
Yeah but does he have the sensitivity and which history is he telling? Judging by what he himself has said, his version of history is very one-sided. He does not bother to look in the deeper complexities like for example, reading all Ka'iulani's letters to her friends. I doubt he knows Hawaiian, German and French, which is what she wrote in. If you want to understand Ka'iulani, you have to really write her own words and frankly I think only a part-Hawaiian historian will really understand that.
I would be interested to see how Thurston and Dole are portrayed in the film. My understanding is that Dole did evolve ("devolve"?) from a supporter of the monarchy to a co-conspirator with Thurston, which was felt by the Queen to be a personal betrayal.
Perhaps Dole did play a good role during Kaiulani's life, even if that is not the final judgment of history on the man.
If the script is available, it should be put online.
In the Repubic of Hawaii, Kaiulani had not powers, and no government position. This disabled her from being a representative, and would have been a major conflict of interest. Dole was able to represent some of her ideas, although with some trepidation as he of course was in support of the provisional government agenda. But, the committee of safety was sure that most citizens would support the overthrough of the apparently corrupt monarchy under the Kalakaua dynasty.
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
God forbid, the Kawananakoa boys David/Jonah are hanai nephews of Kalakaua and Liliuokalani. The Kawananakoas including Abagail Kawananakoa have no bloodline connecting them to Kalakaua or Liliuokalani. They were adopted into the Kalakaua dynasty. The Kalakaua dynasty lost the kingdom because of incompetance and extravogance. Restore the Kamehameha line or establish a new dynasty. If the illusion / delusion comes true for restoration of a kingdom. Lets keep it real and no more superstition
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
@MolokaiAlika Restore the Kamehameha line? If you understood the laws implemented in the 1880s you'd be aware of the possible rulers other than the attendees of the Royal School to be considered as "alii" per the 1864C Art. 22.
mamoahina 1 year ago
I am Native Hawaiian of a chiefly line, but errors occurred in the Kalakaua dyanasty that sealed the Kingdom's fate. Both Kalakaua and Liliu were extravogant in their spending and they were incompetent as rulers. Strong willed, stubborn and impulsive. This lead to concerns by the Hawaiian community. Her attempt to initiate a revised constitution that would give her more power was of concern, since the dynasty was already impetuous. Liliu's signing of abdication concluded the revolution. Pau
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
jazzysorano,we object to the 'whore' mentality. A US/Peruvian actress riding on a bicycle through Waikiki covered with coconut oil projects a prostitute looking for a score.We object to the same prostitute standing infront the US/White House covered with crude projecting energy of a chocolate sundae for all the world to see.We don't need to fill the world with lies, Chevron/Texeco-Wacco told enough lies to their stockholders and their American voters.As Joe Belinger explains in his movie 'Crude'
TheKaohi 1 year ago
hokulani78 don't fear the truth. Your work is quite lovely. Fearing the truth will stunt dry up and choke your creativity.
curatrix2008 1 year ago
Even Hawaiian Homeland 50% hawaiian blood. It's ridiculous. Filipinos, blacks mexicans & others misfits find a voice by hating haolis. Royals welcomed haolis into their lives, beds and lineage, sought haoli education, culture & built all their royal buildings in haoli style as you see in the palace behind him. But, shhhhh.....
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 especially filipinos!!
kokonutt99 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 hahaha, you make valid points, lol
MolokaiAlika 1 year ago
Victimology at work. They define & refine their victimhood as needed . Further, they are all kings and queens in their own hawaiian tale. It's their land and wealth that was stolen. The land belonged only to the royals and the subjects owned nothing. Brutal rules & taboos with death penalties contolled natives. It is significant that the royals embraced haolis and european culture since only they were the only decision makers.
curatrix2008 1 year ago
Did you even see the movie? The name "Barbarian Princess" was meant to be ironic.
kiliohu 1 year ago
i think the movie would be good... i live in australia and all most people know about hawai is pearl harbour and surfing.... i think people will maybe not be so ignorant of the past if a movie puts an interest to it.... though im prob gunna get told of coz im still waiting for the video to load.. i guess though no matter how much injustice the film gives the story atleast it may inspire more people to read about it ....
LANIkoo 3 years ago
eveybodie knows that hollywood makes stuff up anyway...
LANIkoo 3 years ago
Yeah. Everyone already knows. There are only a few stupid people left on earth that actually believe in FICTION! So what's the harm? . . . if it's only going to effect the stupid ones? Think about it.
einaf639 3 years ago
Protest!?! Has this guy even done any research? If he'd actually seen the trailer he'd have understood that the word "Barbarian" was carefully added in order to illustrate the very audacity of it...the audacity of the fact that people in her time were trying to defame her by calling her names. That's what the movie makers were trying to shed light on. And in the trailer she looks nothing like a barbarian. They acurately portray her as an educated noble woman. So what's his problem?
konacoffee50 2 years ago
See what I find strange is that in the script, which I read when I learned about the protsts, Dole is a bad guy. He does stand up for letting kanakas vote at the end but that's after he's been a jerk the whole time. He was just feeling a little sympathy for the Princess.
In the movie script it's pretty obvious that the takeover is completely illegal, unwarranted, horrible, and everything that he says--Hawaii is a kingdom being occupied. So I'm not sure what his problem with the movie is?
millionairewaltz 3 years ago
there's one slight little problem with the "apology bill" he's quoting. public law 103-150 was pushed through by senators akaka and inouye, two politicians from hawaii with very obvious agendas and bias. mainland politicians are CLUELESS about hawaii's past, so inouye and akaka had an easy time pulling one over on the gov't. but the apology was based on the BLOUNT REPORT, which was overturned later by the facts in the MORGAN REPORT. they used the report the U.S. gov't REJECTED. see the problem?
Thunderlizard2 3 years ago 3
@Thunderlizard2 . . . Liberal agenda is to be ashamed of the U.S. and whites in particular have done. The apology bill was nonsense and just a political stunt. REMEMBER, there was no protesting royalty, and not all hawaiians were in good standing with the royals. I doubt any of them would gladly go back to being a slave.
curatrix2008 1 year ago
We do have a voice! But a creative voice speaks louder than a destructive voice. Instead of painting yourself as some wacko by protesting this and protesting that why don't you try actually doing something with that energy! The reason these ha'ole are making this movie is because it's a story that MUST BE TOLD. And as of yet there have been no good movies about this topic done by Hawaiians. The only thing Hawaiians have done is complain. Somebody has to stop sitting on their fat okole!
jazzysoranio 3 years ago 6
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curatrix2008 1 year ago
sometimes it feels like we dont have a voice and our government doesnt care!!!
mailehao 3 years ago 2
im sure you have a real good point; but if you're going to stand up for Hawaiian rights, please learn how to pronounce your words....such as kanakas. im sure you're used to the slang kanaks...but its kuh-nuh-kuh!
& one last things; after reading constitution and the process of becoming a sovereign...Abigail Kawananakoa is not the Princess.
aloha & mahalo (:
kayakaya808 3 years ago
Shame on the Friends of 'Iolani Palace and the Department of Land and Natural Resources for allowing this without seeing the script first. Shame on OHA for not doing more since they are also responsible to help preserving Hawaiian culture and history.
hokulani78 3 years ago 6
They did read the script first.
Rurubraeside 3 years ago
Competant. With due respect, so was Gavan Daws and Michner but look what they wrote. You need to really be able to understand the period. It was a period of Hawaiian nationalism clashing with American imperialism. I think Hawaiians or historians from the 3rd world who have experienced colonialism can related and be sensitive. But this is like telling the American revolution from the point of view of George III.
hokulani78 3 years ago
Yeah but does he have the sensitivity and which history is he telling? Judging by what he himself has said, his version of history is very one-sided. He does not bother to look in the deeper complexities like for example, reading all Ka'iulani's letters to her friends. I doubt he knows Hawaiian, German and French, which is what she wrote in. If you want to understand Ka'iulani, you have to really write her own words and frankly I think only a part-Hawaiian historian will really understand that.
hokulani78 3 years ago
The director spent years at the archives reading her letters and I believe is fluent in French.
Rurubraeside 3 years ago
I would be interested to see how Thurston and Dole are portrayed in the film. My understanding is that Dole did evolve ("devolve"?) from a supporter of the monarchy to a co-conspirator with Thurston, which was felt by the Queen to be a personal betrayal.
Perhaps Dole did play a good role during Kaiulani's life, even if that is not the final judgment of history on the man.
If the script is available, it should be put online.
Koleaula 3 years ago
abigail kinoiki kekaulike kawananakoa may be a direct descendent of the ruling family of kaua'i, but she is NOT a princess.
kauaua 4 years ago
Luka...mahalo for the call. Right on.
napuakekai 4 years ago
Mahalo Excellent Video Solid Info !
If they going to HORE OUR KANAKA MAOLI , LET THEM DO IN THEIR COUNTRY ON IN OURS & NOT IN OUR PALACE !!! HEWA
ponosize 4 years ago