Oh be serious. If you are that sick all I can tell you is to get help. And also point out that you really show the 'quality' of neo-confederate humanity. You really prove all we say just in your existence. And I see you didn't own up to your lie about Marx yet.
I can answer you question, my family was brutalized by the Yankee invaders under the Union flag, yet I also wave the U.S. flag. I am of Scottish origin, so my ancestors were brutalized by the English, yet I don't moan and cry about the English flag. You are more of a crybaby than anyone.
Gee you can write off slavery as no good reason to bury that fkag and make a new one - genocide happens - how about the entire segregation era?
Ya proud of that heritage? Lynchings and the national guard sent in to force you to accept the very race you had brutalized? Tillman. Montgomery. "I am a man"??
Float your southern boat?
When you fly your blood soaked flag with pride do y'all think about the pain you caused America??
@HopeForPeaceNow Sitll gonna fly the flag and thanks to you I'm more motivated to do it. Eat shit and die. P.S. I'm Southern so clearly I know not what I do. What I say can't be helped!!!!!!! hahahahah.
"Sitll gonna fly the flag and thanks to you I'm more motivated to do it. Eat shit and die. P.S. I'm Southern so clearly I know not what I do. What I say can't be helped!!!!!!! hahahahah."
No. Because although the fate of the Native Americans is part of our collective history, both North and South, the union itself which is represented by that flag was not formed as a system based around that principle; where as the Confederate flag is representative of a system based around slavery and white supremacy as demonstrated by Stevens introducing the Confederate constitution.
"Then we need to ban the American flag as it flew over the slaughter of native American Indians." jrr0863
Did the US set up it's economy, government and culture on slavery, sir? Did the North base it's government on white supremacy? It's economy on white supremacy? It's culture?
NO!
The South DID.
I don't claim pride in our American heritage of predation! I'm NOT proud that we drove Mexicans out, taking their land, also. I'm NOT proud of that heritage as you are proud of segregation!
Gee, Penn State even mention's Y'all by name; "Surely, the public has been educated about the debate and the shortcomings of the black Confederate thesis. Carrying on the debate with members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and other true believers yields nothing, for they are resolved to support their position regardless of whatever evidence and logical analysis is marshaled to expose the fallacy of their belief."
@HopeForPeaceNow Slavery was an issue yes, but not the cause. Do you honestly think wars are fought to do the right thing? Fact: When asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" Lincoln replied: "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" The South paid 80% of all taxes with less than 30% of the population. Here's one."If I could save the Union without freeing the slaves I would"--Lincoln. Look it up Sir/Ma'm. There are two sides to every story. I just hate blame shifting
The south maimed, raped, tortured, murdered and subjegated 2 million black men, women and children. They fought to retain the right to do so. You now defend them as patriots?
You may want to cover that up and change the subject. Luckily - the rest of us are not that ignorant..
The fact that you construct some convoluted argument to defend that proves the state of your soul.
Yes, we should have let you secede. You could still own black people!
@HopeForPeaceNow Slavery was well on it's way on the door because of a thing called the Industrial Revolution, the North was already heavily Industrialized and so they were able to abolish it, the South did not have that luxury at the moment and so the North beat them to the abolishing it first. Almost everybody was racist back then, North and South. When Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation freeing slaves in the middle of the war (not beginning) it kept England from supporting CSA.
"the South" The South argued that blacks were not human, that they were expendable property, and did so with the bible. 600 blacks would leave, in 7x5 berths where they were chained into their own blood and excrement for 4 weeks. 2/3 died in excruciating pain. Get a grip on the reality fo that time. Talk about sugar coat - you paint the South as the victim!
You attempt to rewrite the truth of that time, you must ignorant of it's demons or you would not try to replace their horns with a crown.
"with less than 30% of the population." Were slaves counted as 3/5 of a full human in that assessment?
If the North needed the South's $, why would they have emancipated? They would have blessed the slave trade and it's revenue.
"the cause" The cause was states rights - an argument we still have today. An argument I have no doubt the right would cause another civil war over given the opportunity.
@HopeForPeaceNow As for the 3/5 thing, I just went by the 1860 census, I don't know exactly if slaves were counted as 3/5 in it or not. It list the North as 22 million vs 9 million in the South. I do know that Lincoln trampled the constitution in his so called "noble crusade" to uphold the constitution. When he had all anti-war newspaper writers jailed and sent Union troops to the voting booths to ensure his "popular" vote in the election. Sherman's troops also killed, raped, and pillaged.
"I don't know exactly if slaves were counted as 3/5 in it or not"
I'm sure you don't. The 3/5s compromise is a thing called a fact. It happened in material reality - this is why you are unfamiliar with it.
Were you hoping for a divided America? What - North USA and South USA? That's the justice you wanted. Legal murder and a divided America. Maybe you could have fought on the side of Hitler since you believed some humans are not. Oh, the poor south, so traumatized!
@HopeForPeaceNow I knew that you wouldn't even consider what I have just told you. If you truly Hope for peace as your name says, then this demonizing the South must stop. People have far too long only listened to the side of the victors version of history which omits and candy coats themselves into heroes. I in no way endorse slavery, but as long as the South is demonized, I will fly my Confederate flag which represents my home still being under attack by the victors version of history.
No, you are wrong. Glorifying the south must stop.
How do you think black people today feel at the sight of your blood soaked flag?
What were you fighting for? The right to torture, usurp, murder, rape, pillage, maim, lynch, beat, slice, sell as chattel, bludgeon, and brand... all in the name of your god (small g).
The South IS our heinous past. Let it die - don't exhume it, put it on a pedestal and except others to glorify it with you.
@HopeForPeaceNow Wow, when it comes down to it, you really are a one-sided hypocrite. Under what flag did slavery wave for over 85 years? Under what flag were the Indians nearly eradicated? Yet somehow that flag is forgiven and events forgotten. And I WILL NEVER TURN MY BACK ON THE SOUTH!!!! It is my home. , I'll wave the Confederate flag til the day I die because of people like you!!!
Really - you call the South which fought to keep slavery patriotic, and you call me one-sided??
"Under what flag did slavery wave for over 85 years?"
Gee - whose fault was that? The North's? The north shed blood to keep their murder legal??
"what flag were the Indians nearly eradicated?"
Trying to validate your need to support murder?? Not working. That's like the natzi's claiming genocide was not their fault because others have done it. Pathetic.
@HopeForPeaceNow I'm glad you know more about why I wave the flag than I do, Just show's your arrogant ignorance. I wave it because I love the South. Point simple, come down off of your high horse and pointing fingers.
"I'm glad you know more about why I wave the flag than I do"
There is not one justification for flying that flag on God's green earth. You love the South, that's great. I love America, I fly the American flag. I would never fly a flag under which we fought for the right to kill people, that's disgusting and you all should be made to know that since you seem too dim to figure that our for yourself.
@HopeForPeaceNow My justification for flying the flag is that it is the flag of the South. I also honor my nation's flag, however the Confederate flag represents my region, after all, we Southerners are pretty separate from the rest of the Nation being labeled as the black sheep, wouldn't you say? You bring it on yourself by trying to put down our pride for bad deeds, killing off the Native Americans was a bad deed, yet we still embrace the Stars and Stripes. I take the good with the bad.
@HopeForPeaceNow Don't compare us to Nazi's when we have contributed so much to the U.S. After all there were blacks oppressed and enslaved up North too? Did ya forget? And after the Civil War there were enslaved China men building the railroads, a bit of history that is overlooked.
"Don't compare us to Nazi's ' I didn't compare you to natzis.
I asked a simple question you failed to answer...
SHOULD Natis be able to fly their flag for the sake of their German heritage?
Simple question. They were not the only genocide. They contributed much to society, technology advanced by IBM learning to support a mainframe which documented where all the Jews were. Huge leap forward in technology through genocide.
@HopeForPeaceNow " I would never fly a flag under which we fought for the right to kill people" did you really just go there??? Did you really? Native Americans? Did you forget? This is why we are different. You are a walking, talking, contradiction to what you say.
"" I would never fly a flag under which we fought for the right to kill people" did you really just go there???"
The South fought for the right to maintain humans as personal property - was that what we fought the Revolution for? Did we fight for the right to create an Indian slave system? Really? Did you just go there?
Yet - if there was a flag representing the killing of Indians I would have respect enough to never fly it, let alone dress up and support it's future and heritage.
@HopeForPeaceNow "Did we fight for the right to create an Indian slave system?" I supposed killing them off was better than slavery huh? So that their bloodline would not live on to see better days. Believe it or not the South also fought for independence so your example makes no sense, slavery was just one issue out of the many, and slavery would have went away with the Industrial Revolution and world politics. To you I'm guilty by being Southern. Not the best way to push your point
"To you I'm guilty by being Southern. Not the best way to push your point"
To me anyone who would venerate a system of torture is guilty.
Try this. Imagine whites had suffered the slavery for 400 years, then segregation and lynching. Would we have taken up arms? Would we have endured that? Now, after blacks had raped your mother, lynched your father and told you you were less than human...
... what would YOUR attitude be today toward blacks and the flag they still fly in your face?
"your example makes no sense, slavery was just one issue out of the many, "
3 times over 60 years, we nearly went to war over slavery specifically. The compromise that held that slaves were 3/5 of a human came from that tension. The SOuth defended it's right to own humans and would not budge. States rights, intrastate commerce were also issues, but not issues that would have led to cessation alone.
The South just can't face that. You reap what you sow. Your land is spiritually polluted.
@HopeForPeaceNow If you are trying to put me down because of the land I call home, then you are more of a prejudice then you claim us to be. Double standards, gotta love them.
@HopeForPeaceNow THOUSANDS of southern homes were burnt and women raped by yanks in this war. 7% of southerns owned slaves. Less than 1% owned more than 20. Confederate soldiers were mostly poor country/farm boys who owned no slaves. They fought starving, shoeless, and outnumbered to protect their homes and families. Most enlisted for adventure, or to look brave, or impress a girl. 65,000 blacks VOLUNTEERED for the south. Northerners and freed blacks had slaves too. rich mans war poor mans fight
"THOUSANDS of southern homes were burnt and women raped by yanks in this war."
Oh, boo hoo hoo for the poor South. You lost thousands, blacks lost millions, their dignity and the future of their race for generations (was it the South that supported segregation and lynching? Nah). It's called war, you started it with your need to murder and enslave legally.
Your pathetic excuses are as sad as your support for the perpetrators of slavery. There is no excuse and never will be.
Yes, yet the rest of you fought for the right for them to KEEP those slaves. Even arguing then that God made the black man for your pleasure and that blacks really had good lives as slaves. Lies just like today.
"They fought starving, shoeless, and outnumbered to protect their homes and families."
Wrong.
They fought starving, shoeless, and outnumbered to protect the right of slave owners to own slaves.
Do most US soldiers today enlist to fight for oil in the Middle East? Im sure most just want adventure and to get away from home because they're experiencing coming of age - much simpler reasons. Politicians may fight for slavery but the soldiers, I doubt that. Btw there was an incident mentioned where a yank captured a reb and asked what he was fighitng for, and he said "I'm fighting because you're down here." The union desertion rate was highest just after Lincolns Emancipation Proclamation.
I'm telling the truth I think you're too arrogant to listen so I'm gonna stop, but I think most soldiers throughout history have enlisted for fun! Look at all the people today who play video games based on war - they don't care what they're fighitng for, it just seems cool and exciting to them! War has always been glorified in fiction and it appeals to many men and boys who want to experience it's "excitement." We today are just as cruel to livestock on factories as plantations were to slaves.
"most soldiers throughout history have enlisted for fun! "
is a valid reason to venerate a flag that represents murder, torture and rape??
Check in with those same soldiers after they've seen their best friends eyeballs blown out. You should fly your blood soaked flag because soldiers think war is fun.
Yea, that's a great one.
"We today are just as cruel to livestock on factories as plantations were to slaves"
@HopeForPeaceNow well maybe 100 years from now people will only eat cloned meat and future generations will reflect on us saying we're cruel and evil and "blood soaked" even though most of us civilians don't work in factories. However, we all know of the suffering the animals endure. Why don't you go try and help then? You're no better than the folks back then who didn't try to abolish slavery, I guess. Don't judge history through modern perspective. Goodbye now, don't swear so much...sadist.
"well maybe 100 years from now people will only eat cloned meat and future generations will reflect on us saying we're cruel and evil"
Obviously the fact that you can rationalize slavery by our current treatment of cows is plenty proof for me.
I always knew people who flew the confederate flag proudly were mistaken and disrespectful. I've spent a few days here reviewing the argument and those who make it.
Another lie fabricated to make you feel justified in loving the flag that waived over the black dead whose blood covered the South.
"They typically point out the lack of evidence, misunderstanding of evidence, or the amateurish manipulation of that evidence by proponents of the black Confederates myth."
I'll send you the link. There are many - that myth was debunked as the false comfort it is for you.
" I WILL NEVER TURN MY BACK ON THE SOUTH!!!! It is my home. , "
Think for one minute.
Imagine that whites had been stolen from America - brought to Africa, murdered, raped, tortured, made to die horrific deaths for the personal profit of blacks. Imagine your father had been lynched. Your mother raped.
Would you want the flag which stood for that atrocity to fly still? To be accepted and supported as you try to regain your dignity in Africa? Bet you can't understand the fist thing about that.
Friend - "others also killed" does not turn our attention from 6 million dead.
Should not turn yours either.
What is the state of your heart if you are proud of your Plantation heritage.
If YOUR family had been butalized under a certain flag would YOU want people to still wave it in your face? How do you think black people felt walking by your little ceremony? How can you be proud of genocide? because others do it too?
@HopeForPeaceNow Friend, listen, I in no way shape or form endorse slavery. I'm sorry it happened. The only point I was trying to make was that horrible crimes were committed under the U.S. flag as well as the Confederate flag. If it offends you, I hate you feel that way. But what you are asking of me is something I cannot do. If your mother or father did something horrible, you would condone or protest their actions but you would still love them. I cannot hate the South's flag, it's my home.
You believe, then, that Natzis should fly their flag in love for their heritage? They love their heritage.
If YOUR entire family had been stolen by people, would you abide their flag flown in pride over you? Do you consider how it makes black people around you feel?
@HopeForPeaceNow I don't care about Nazi's seeing as I am not one. And as for how black people feel about my flag, let me just say to you as a child I was the only White kid on the bus, they tormented me because of my color. 90% of them were the biggest racist I have only seen and I don't care about how they feel with the exception of those 10%, Talking how much they would love to fuck my mom and shit, and constantly slapping me in the back of the head and knocking my glasses off.
@HopeForPeaceNow You know, this comment you made here just pissed me off. You're just one of those people who are only sympathetic to black people. You are the bigger racist here and now you have inspired me to wave my flag prouder than ever before. You don't want equal rights, you want people to bow down and kiss black ass. Forget it!!! Every thing said to you just goes in one ear and out the other, how can one have a conversation with you when you only want to hear yourself speak?
"one of those people who are only sympathetic to black people. "
What do you know about me? I'm smart enough to realize that flying the confederate flag in America today - dressing up to venerate a way a life that was sick - is wrong - and I'm brave enough to say so.
@HopeForPeaceNow No you are impossible to talk to because you refuse to accept that under the United States flag there was also slavery for a longer period of time, and under the United States flag they killed off the Native Americans. Yet you excuse all that because you and only consider your own viewpoints. So I could compare the U.S. flag to the Nazi flag for what it has also done if I wanted to.
@HopeForPeaceNow Ok, I'm Southern so I'm rotten despicable, and horrid. Now SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! You damn looney, I personally don't give a damn. Acting like you have the right to judge me. I suppose your shit doesn't stink either now does it? You are so perfect. Did you ever feel the whip crack on your back? NO! Do I own slaves? NO! SHUT THE FUCK UP! You belong in a mental institute. If I'm evil for being Southern then I don't want to be good and there's nothing you can do about it.
@HopeForPeaceNow If you could talk like a human instead of pointing fingers, I would return the favor. Give respect and it will be returned. The only point I tried to make was there was evil committed under all flags. And you are just incredibly hateful of my Southern flag. I already told you I hate offending people with the flag but they and you misinterpret what it stands for today. The poor folk and majority had no slaves, they were fighting to protect their homes from invaders.
"If you could talk like a human instead of pointing fingers, "
?? I am simply making the plain argument that the behavior of flying and venerating a blood soaked flag is disgusting. If that makes me inhuman to you, I think that's your misjudgment. I wonder at the state of your soul when you can hate your black neighbors enough to fly that flag over them.
@HopeForPeaceNow I told you what kind of black "neighbors" I had, remember? They enjoy hating whitey. I know not all blacks are like that but the only blacks that will see it will be them. And besides, That's not the reason for me flying the flag to begin with. It's the flag of the South. I happen to be from the South. Put it together. Are you that beautiful white woman I seen in that video on your channel? I just had to know, because I'm wondering, would blacks ever fight for your rights?
@HopeForPeaceNow it doesnt represent slavery. the US flag flew over slave ships and plantations. the rebel flag was just a battle flags of a great nation that was using its rights to succeed from a tyrannical government
It represents a nation whose culture, government and economy was based in slavery.
Not a heritage to declare pride in.
"tyrannical government"
SO sad to see these sentiments on confederate page.... the "TYRANNY" the North was abolition! Today you can call a government tyrannical if they try to end the ownership of humans?
You might claim it was over taxes only, like many do. But the politics of the era were based on the slave v free argument.
Perhaps if you studied that conflict with an open mind you would find the following quotes from that era:
The war between the North and South is a tariff war. The war, is further, not for any principle, does not touch the question of slavery, and in fact turns on the Northern lust for power.”-Karl Marx
What a piss poor and dishonest quote mine. Marx is not saying that, he is stating the argument of others in order to show it wrong. You purposely leave out the previous lines:
"For months the leading weekly and daily papers of the London press have been reiterating the same litany on the American Civil War.
While they insult the free states of the North, they anxiously defend themselves against the suspicion of sympathising with the slave states of the South. In fact, they continually write two articles: one article, in which they attack the North, and another article, in which they excuse their attacks on the North.
And then in the next line after your quote, he then states: "Point by point we will probe the plea of the English press." And then he dismantles your argument and clearly states that the real issue is slavery.
"Naturally, in America everyone knew that from 1846 to 1861 a free trade system prevailed, and that Representative Morrill carried his protectionist tariff through Congress only in 1861, after the rebellion had already broken out. Secession, therefore, did not take place because the Morrill tariff had gone through Congress, but, at most, the Morrill tariff went through Congress because secession had taken place"
And later in the article he makes it even clearer:
"The whole movement was and is based, as one sees, on the slave question."
Karl Marx "The North American Civil War" October 20, 1861
So you have been totally dishonest in your display of Marx here and your entire supposition is wrong. The confederacy was about the perpetuation and preservation of slavery and the admited it clearly enough at the time.
"The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution." Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens on the Confederate Constitution.
“Any neo-Confederate or plain old American who wants to say, ‘No, no, it’s about states’ rights,’ has the problem that they’re not arguing with me. They’re arguing with the people in South Carolina who seceded; they’re arguing with the convention in Mississippi.”
"I don’t mean to be mean, but secession and the Confederacy was all about treason on behalf of slavery, and we have to call it what it was.” Dr. James Loewen
"Within the profession (historians) there's virtually no discussion or debate left of slavery as central to the antebellum south and the fundamental cause of secession and the war. To the extent within the profession there's a debate about this, people will talk about other causal factors such as economic factors creating secession and the Civil War, but those economic factors always come down to a slave economy" Dr. Eric Walther of University of Houston
"under the United States flag they killed off the Native Americans."
Genocide happen? So keep flying it's flag flying?
No, you are mistaken. The US did not set up a system of slavery of Indians which it fought to maintain.
We killed Indians does not make flying a flag that stood for subjugation right.
From the 65,000 blacks volunteered for the confederacy to the hell the US killed Indians, all you are doing is rationalizing what should be by instinct disgusting to you. Grow a soul.
If you can't have your little dress up party to glorify the south then the rest of the country is racist!! ??
"You are the bigger racist "
then
"you want people to bow down and kiss black ass. "
Slavery, segregation and continued hatred for the race you maimed, tortured, murdered, raped, slit, burned, beat, whipped, lynched and told they were less than human.
THAT is YOUR heritage. And it hasn't changed, obviously. Y'all are proof.
COnsider if whites had been the slaves of blacks for 400 years. YOur grandfather sold like aTV set, your grandmother raped. Your father segregated and your uncle lynched.
Would you want to see that flag flying today? Like a big middle finger in your face.
"victors version of history which omits and candy coats"
You reap what you sow. Don't try to blame the victim when you represent those who perpetrated an evil from the pit of hell.
Can you please show me how slavery is morally wrong? Please give me a point of reference.
jrr0863 3 months ago
@jrr0863
Oh be serious. If you are that sick all I can tell you is to get help. And also point out that you really show the 'quality' of neo-confederate humanity. You really prove all we say just in your existence. And I see you didn't own up to your lie about Marx yet.
Rundstedt1 3 months ago
"Can you please show me how slavery is morally wrong?" jrr0863
Oh, sorry, you're morally bereft. Sorry I took the time to answer you.
HopeForPeaceNow 3 months ago
I really dont think that ANYONE can tell me something that the Confederate Flag is guilty of that the Flag of the United States is not.
meetman57 4 months ago
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"I really dont think that ANYONE can tell me something that the Confederate Flag is guilty of that the Flag of the United States is not" meetman57
Did the US build it's government, economy and culture on slavery?
Did the North secede?
Did the North assassinate Jeff Davis?
HopeForPeaceNow 3 months ago
Not one of you can answer this either;
"If YOUR family had been brutalized under a certain flag would YOU want people to still wave it in your face?"
Are you brave enough to take that one on?
Anyone, anyone?
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Well buddy, because of your mentality I feel like waving it directly in front of your face and will continue to do so.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
I can answer you question, my family was brutalized by the Yankee invaders under the Union flag, yet I also wave the U.S. flag. I am of Scottish origin, so my ancestors were brutalized by the English, yet I don't moan and cry about the English flag. You are more of a crybaby than anyone.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
Gee you can write off slavery as no good reason to bury that fkag and make a new one - genocide happens - how about the entire segregation era?
Ya proud of that heritage? Lynchings and the national guard sent in to force you to accept the very race you had brutalized? Tillman. Montgomery. "I am a man"??
Float your southern boat?
When you fly your blood soaked flag with pride do y'all think about the pain you caused America??
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Sitll gonna fly the flag and thanks to you I'm more motivated to do it. Eat shit and die. P.S. I'm Southern so clearly I know not what I do. What I say can't be helped!!!!!!! hahahahah.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"Sitll gonna fly the flag and thanks to you I'm more motivated to do it. Eat shit and die. P.S. I'm Southern so clearly I know not what I do. What I say can't be helped!!!!!!! hahahahah."
I have no doubt.
You prove my point in your own words.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
". I am of Scottish origin, so my ancestors were brutalized by the English"
Would you replace your Scottish flag and fly the English over the graves of the murdered?
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
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solaceinstrife 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow What no response? I answered your question.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow
Then we need to ban the American flag as it flew over the slaughter of native American Indians.
jrr0863 3 months ago
@jrr0863
No. Because although the fate of the Native Americans is part of our collective history, both North and South, the union itself which is represented by that flag was not formed as a system based around that principle; where as the Confederate flag is representative of a system based around slavery and white supremacy as demonstrated by Stevens introducing the Confederate constitution.
Rundstedt1 3 months ago
@Rundstedt1 So you would proudly wave an American flag on a native American Indian reservation?
jrr0863 3 months ago
@jrr0863
Sure, any many native americans, and including on there tribal halls do so also.
Rundstedt1 3 months ago
@jrr0863
Are you going to own up to your dishonest use of Marx and admit that he was actually pointing out that the war was fueled by slavery?
Rundstedt1 3 months ago
"Then we need to ban the American flag as it flew over the slaughter of native American Indians." jrr0863
Did the US set up it's economy, government and culture on slavery, sir? Did the North base it's government on white supremacy? It's economy on white supremacy? It's culture?
NO!
The South DID.
I don't claim pride in our American heritage of predation! I'm NOT proud that we drove Mexicans out, taking their land, also. I'm NOT proud of that heritage as you are proud of segregation!
HopeForPeaceNow 3 months ago
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How do you think black people today feel at the sight of your blood soaked flag?
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
Gee, Penn State even mention's Y'all by name; "Surely, the public has been educated about the debate and the shortcomings of the black Confederate thesis. Carrying on the debate with members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and other true believers yields nothing, for they are resolved to support their position regardless of whatever evidence and logical analysis is marshaled to expose the fallacy of their belief."
As I said.
The grace of God on you all.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
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solaceinstrife 6 months ago
theres going to be one person who say something about how the blacks been treated awful on these vids about the south which i think is sad
generallee501 6 months ago
The blood of a million black people is on your head.
HopeForPeaceNow 7 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow You act like the North didn't have slaves.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
@solaceinstrife
No, I act like the North stood for the abolition of slavery.
It's called reality.
You should visit.
In it we realize the south fought to retain slavery and that is what you hope to glorify.
You are sick, may God have mercy on you.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Slavery was an issue yes, but not the cause. Do you honestly think wars are fought to do the right thing? Fact: When asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" Lincoln replied: "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" The South paid 80% of all taxes with less than 30% of the population. Here's one."If I could save the Union without freeing the slaves I would"--Lincoln. Look it up Sir/Ma'm. There are two sides to every story. I just hate blame shifting
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"I just hate blame shifting"
Me, too.
The south maimed, raped, tortured, murdered and subjegated 2 million black men, women and children. They fought to retain the right to do so. You now defend them as patriots?
You may want to cover that up and change the subject. Luckily - the rest of us are not that ignorant..
The fact that you construct some convoluted argument to defend that proves the state of your soul.
Yes, we should have let you secede. You could still own black people!
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Slavery was well on it's way on the door because of a thing called the Industrial Revolution, the North was already heavily Industrialized and so they were able to abolish it, the South did not have that luxury at the moment and so the North beat them to the abolishing it first. Almost everybody was racist back then, North and South. When Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation freeing slaves in the middle of the war (not beginning) it kept England from supporting CSA.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"the South" The South argued that blacks were not human, that they were expendable property, and did so with the bible. 600 blacks would leave, in 7x5 berths where they were chained into their own blood and excrement for 4 weeks. 2/3 died in excruciating pain. Get a grip on the reality fo that time. Talk about sugar coat - you paint the South as the victim!
You attempt to rewrite the truth of that time, you must ignorant of it's demons or you would not try to replace their horns with a crown.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
"with less than 30% of the population." Were slaves counted as 3/5 of a full human in that assessment?
If the North needed the South's $, why would they have emancipated? They would have blessed the slave trade and it's revenue.
"the cause" The cause was states rights - an argument we still have today. An argument I have no doubt the right would cause another civil war over given the opportunity.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow As for the 3/5 thing, I just went by the 1860 census, I don't know exactly if slaves were counted as 3/5 in it or not. It list the North as 22 million vs 9 million in the South. I do know that Lincoln trampled the constitution in his so called "noble crusade" to uphold the constitution. When he had all anti-war newspaper writers jailed and sent Union troops to the voting booths to ensure his "popular" vote in the election. Sherman's troops also killed, raped, and pillaged.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"I don't know exactly if slaves were counted as 3/5 in it or not"
I'm sure you don't. The 3/5s compromise is a thing called a fact. It happened in material reality - this is why you are unfamiliar with it.
Were you hoping for a divided America? What - North USA and South USA? That's the justice you wanted. Legal murder and a divided America. Maybe you could have fought on the side of Hitler since you believed some humans are not. Oh, the poor south, so traumatized!
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow I knew that you wouldn't even consider what I have just told you. If you truly Hope for peace as your name says, then this demonizing the South must stop. People have far too long only listened to the side of the victors version of history which omits and candy coats themselves into heroes. I in no way endorse slavery, but as long as the South is demonized, I will fly my Confederate flag which represents my home still being under attack by the victors version of history.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"demonizing the South must stop."
No, you are wrong. Glorifying the south must stop.
How do you think black people today feel at the sight of your blood soaked flag?
What were you fighting for? The right to torture, usurp, murder, rape, pillage, maim, lynch, beat, slice, sell as chattel, bludgeon, and brand... all in the name of your god (small g).
The South IS our heinous past. Let it die - don't exhume it, put it on a pedestal and except others to glorify it with you.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Wow, when it comes down to it, you really are a one-sided hypocrite. Under what flag did slavery wave for over 85 years? Under what flag were the Indians nearly eradicated? Yet somehow that flag is forgiven and events forgotten. And I WILL NEVER TURN MY BACK ON THE SOUTH!!!! It is my home. , I'll wave the Confederate flag til the day I die because of people like you!!!
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"you really are a one-sided hypocrite."
Really - you call the South which fought to keep slavery patriotic, and you call me one-sided??
"Under what flag did slavery wave for over 85 years?"
Gee - whose fault was that? The North's? The north shed blood to keep their murder legal??
"what flag were the Indians nearly eradicated?"
Trying to validate your need to support murder?? Not working. That's like the natzi's claiming genocide was not their fault because others have done it. Pathetic.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@solaceinstrife
"I WILL NEVER TURN MY BACK ON THE SOUTH!"
I have no doubt of that. And for that you will answer to God on That Day.
"I'll wave the Confederate flag til the day I die because of people like you!!!"
No. You are wrong.
You will wave the confederate flag because you know no better than to venerate that which by human standards should be demonized.
Slavery and all who support the Souths right to fight for it's continuation should be demonized. Rightly so. Barbaric stupidity.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow I'm glad you know more about why I wave the flag than I do, Just show's your arrogant ignorance. I wave it because I love the South. Point simple, come down off of your high horse and pointing fingers.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"I'm glad you know more about why I wave the flag than I do"
There is not one justification for flying that flag on God's green earth. You love the South, that's great. I love America, I fly the American flag. I would never fly a flag under which we fought for the right to kill people, that's disgusting and you all should be made to know that since you seem too dim to figure that our for yourself.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow My justification for flying the flag is that it is the flag of the South. I also honor my nation's flag, however the Confederate flag represents my region, after all, we Southerners are pretty separate from the rest of the Nation being labeled as the black sheep, wouldn't you say? You bring it on yourself by trying to put down our pride for bad deeds, killing off the Native Americans was a bad deed, yet we still embrace the Stars and Stripes. I take the good with the bad.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"pretty separate from the rest of the Nation being labeled as the black sheep,"
Yes, waving the confederate flag makes you unlike normal Americans. I think that is obviously your fault.
So, for the sake of pride, then, Natzi flags should be flown to show German pride?
"killing off the Native Americans was a bad deed,"
Yes, and none of us would fly a flag that represented the right to commit genocide!
Simple respect which you obviously have never been taught.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Don't compare us to Nazi's when we have contributed so much to the U.S. After all there were blacks oppressed and enslaved up North too? Did ya forget? And after the Civil War there were enslaved China men building the railroads, a bit of history that is overlooked.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"Don't compare us to Nazi's ' I didn't compare you to natzis.
I asked a simple question you failed to answer...
SHOULD Natis be able to fly their flag for the sake of their German heritage?
Simple question. They were not the only genocide. They contributed much to society, technology advanced by IBM learning to support a mainframe which documented where all the Jews were. Huge leap forward in technology through genocide.
Should they fly their flag?
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow " I would never fly a flag under which we fought for the right to kill people" did you really just go there??? Did you really? Native Americans? Did you forget? This is why we are different. You are a walking, talking, contradiction to what you say.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"" I would never fly a flag under which we fought for the right to kill people" did you really just go there???"
The South fought for the right to maintain humans as personal property - was that what we fought the Revolution for? Did we fight for the right to create an Indian slave system? Really? Did you just go there?
Yet - if there was a flag representing the killing of Indians I would have respect enough to never fly it, let alone dress up and support it's future and heritage.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow "Did we fight for the right to create an Indian slave system?" I supposed killing them off was better than slavery huh? So that their bloodline would not live on to see better days. Believe it or not the South also fought for independence so your example makes no sense, slavery was just one issue out of the many, and slavery would have went away with the Industrial Revolution and world politics. To you I'm guilty by being Southern. Not the best way to push your point
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
After the proud legacy pf slavery, the South gave us the proud legacy of segregation and lynching.
Would YOU want the flag that flew over your fathers lynching to fly in your face today??
I have asked that question many times here, no one has answered it.
"killing them off was better than slavery huh?"
I asked is America had created a slave system and was fighting to maintain it.
Simple question that you dodged.
You bring up Indians to shift blame.
Face your past.
The rest of us have.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
"To you I'm guilty by being Southern. Not the best way to push your point"
To me anyone who would venerate a system of torture is guilty.
Try this. Imagine whites had suffered the slavery for 400 years, then segregation and lynching. Would we have taken up arms? Would we have endured that? Now, after blacks had raped your mother, lynched your father and told you you were less than human...
... what would YOUR attitude be today toward blacks and the flag they still fly in your face?
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
"your example makes no sense, slavery was just one issue out of the many, "
3 times over 60 years, we nearly went to war over slavery specifically. The compromise that held that slaves were 3/5 of a human came from that tension. The SOuth defended it's right to own humans and would not budge. States rights, intrastate commerce were also issues, but not issues that would have led to cessation alone.
The South just can't face that. You reap what you sow. Your land is spiritually polluted.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow If you are trying to put me down because of the land I call home, then you are more of a prejudice then you claim us to be. Double standards, gotta love them.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
How can you be proud of your heritage? Your heritage is murder, torture, rape, lynching, genocide and a war to keep all of that LEGAL!
SIX MILLION DEAD!
That's the same # Hitler murdered.
Should natzi's fly their flag because they are proud to be German?
For God's sake - get a grip - you people are mentally ill. May God have mercy, truly, I mean that.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow THOUSANDS of southern homes were burnt and women raped by yanks in this war. 7% of southerns owned slaves. Less than 1% owned more than 20. Confederate soldiers were mostly poor country/farm boys who owned no slaves. They fought starving, shoeless, and outnumbered to protect their homes and families. Most enlisted for adventure, or to look brave, or impress a girl. 65,000 blacks VOLUNTEERED for the south. Northerners and freed blacks had slaves too. rich mans war poor mans fight
Butternut731863 6 months ago
"THOUSANDS of southern homes were burnt and women raped by yanks in this war."
Oh, boo hoo hoo for the poor South. You lost thousands, blacks lost millions, their dignity and the future of their race for generations (was it the South that supported segregation and lynching? Nah). It's called war, you started it with your need to murder and enslave legally.
Your pathetic excuses are as sad as your support for the perpetrators of slavery. There is no excuse and never will be.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
"Less than 1% owned more than 20."
Yes, yet the rest of you fought for the right for them to KEEP those slaves. Even arguing then that God made the black man for your pleasure and that blacks really had good lives as slaves. Lies just like today.
"They fought starving, shoeless, and outnumbered to protect their homes and families."
Wrong.
They fought starving, shoeless, and outnumbered to protect the right of slave owners to own slaves.
No slaves no war.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
Do most US soldiers today enlist to fight for oil in the Middle East? Im sure most just want adventure and to get away from home because they're experiencing coming of age - much simpler reasons. Politicians may fight for slavery but the soldiers, I doubt that. Btw there was an incident mentioned where a yank captured a reb and asked what he was fighitng for, and he said "I'm fighting because you're down here." The union desertion rate was highest just after Lincolns Emancipation Proclamation.
Butternut731863 6 months ago
@Butternut731863
Absolutely fantastic the far flung arguments you manufacture to back your need to fly a blood soaked flag.
Gee, if the people of the South had refused to fight to retain the right to subjugate and torture humans...?
No war, no slavery. Oh, they just wanted adventure?
Wow.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
I'm telling the truth I think you're too arrogant to listen so I'm gonna stop, but I think most soldiers throughout history have enlisted for fun! Look at all the people today who play video games based on war - they don't care what they're fighitng for, it just seems cool and exciting to them! War has always been glorified in fiction and it appeals to many men and boys who want to experience it's "excitement." We today are just as cruel to livestock on factories as plantations were to slaves.
Butternut731863 6 months ago
OK, I'm arrogant if I don't believe that this:
"most soldiers throughout history have enlisted for fun! "
is a valid reason to venerate a flag that represents murder, torture and rape??
Check in with those same soldiers after they've seen their best friends eyeballs blown out. You should fly your blood soaked flag because soldiers think war is fun.
Yea, that's a great one.
"We today are just as cruel to livestock on factories as plantations were to slaves"
Holy shit. This is your excuse??
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow well maybe 100 years from now people will only eat cloned meat and future generations will reflect on us saying we're cruel and evil and "blood soaked" even though most of us civilians don't work in factories. However, we all know of the suffering the animals endure. Why don't you go try and help then? You're no better than the folks back then who didn't try to abolish slavery, I guess. Don't judge history through modern perspective. Goodbye now, don't swear so much...sadist.
Butternut731863 6 months ago
"well maybe 100 years from now people will only eat cloned meat and future generations will reflect on us saying we're cruel and evil"
Obviously the fact that you can rationalize slavery by our current treatment of cows is plenty proof for me.
I always knew people who flew the confederate flag proudly were mistaken and disrespectful. I've spent a few days here reviewing the argument and those who make it.
I was more right than I realized.
May you have eyes to see.
Seek and you shall find.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
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HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
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"65,000 blacks VOLUNTEERED for the south."
Another lie fabricated to make you feel justified in loving the flag that waived over the black dead whose blood covered the South.
"They typically point out the lack of evidence, misunderstanding of evidence, or the amateurish manipulation of that evidence by proponents of the black Confederates myth."
I'll send you the link. There are many - that myth was debunked as the false comfort it is for you.
There IS no excuse for flying a flag of death.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
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@solaceinstrife
The blood of 6 million black people is on your head.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
" I WILL NEVER TURN MY BACK ON THE SOUTH!!!! It is my home. , "
Think for one minute.
Imagine that whites had been stolen from America - brought to Africa, murdered, raped, tortured, made to die horrific deaths for the personal profit of blacks. Imagine your father had been lynched. Your mother raped.
Would you want the flag which stood for that atrocity to fly still? To be accepted and supported as you try to regain your dignity in Africa? Bet you can't understand the fist thing about that.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
Friend - "others also killed" does not turn our attention from 6 million dead.
Should not turn yours either.
What is the state of your heart if you are proud of your Plantation heritage.
If YOUR family had been butalized under a certain flag would YOU want people to still wave it in your face? How do you think black people felt walking by your little ceremony? How can you be proud of genocide? because others do it too?
So mentally bent.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Friend, listen, I in no way shape or form endorse slavery. I'm sorry it happened. The only point I was trying to make was that horrible crimes were committed under the U.S. flag as well as the Confederate flag. If it offends you, I hate you feel that way. But what you are asking of me is something I cannot do. If your mother or father did something horrible, you would condone or protest their actions but you would still love them. I cannot hate the South's flag, it's my home.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"I cannot hate the South's flag, it's my home.'
You believe, then, that Natzis should fly their flag in love for their heritage? They love their heritage.
If YOUR entire family had been stolen by people, would you abide their flag flown in pride over you? Do you consider how it makes black people around you feel?
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow I don't care about Nazi's seeing as I am not one. And as for how black people feel about my flag, let me just say to you as a child I was the only White kid on the bus, they tormented me because of my color. 90% of them were the biggest racist I have only seen and I don't care about how they feel with the exception of those 10%, Talking how much they would love to fuck my mom and shit, and constantly slapping me in the back of the head and knocking my glasses off.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"I don't care about Nazi's seeing as I am not one."
I DO care about people venerating the confederacy even though I'm not one. That was a silly answer. Try again.
Should Germans fly the Natzi flag out of pride?
How obvious the answer, how legion the lame arguments you raise to ignore it.
"fuck my mom and shit, and constantly slapping me in the back of the head and knocking my glasses off."
Where would these children be if not for the South? In their homeland and not on your bus tormenting you.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow You know, this comment you made here just pissed me off. You're just one of those people who are only sympathetic to black people. You are the bigger racist here and now you have inspired me to wave my flag prouder than ever before. You don't want equal rights, you want people to bow down and kiss black ass. Forget it!!! Every thing said to you just goes in one ear and out the other, how can one have a conversation with you when you only want to hear yourself speak?
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"comment you made here just pissed me off"
was it this one
"Should Germans fly the Natzi flag out of pride?"
That's because you can't answer it.
"one of those people who are only sympathetic to black people. "
What do you know about me? I'm smart enough to realize that flying the confederate flag in America today - dressing up to venerate a way a life that was sick - is wrong - and I'm brave enough to say so.
I'm sure that pisses you off.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow No you are impossible to talk to because you refuse to accept that under the United States flag there was also slavery for a longer period of time, and under the United States flag they killed off the Native Americans. Yet you excuse all that because you and only consider your own viewpoints. So I could compare the U.S. flag to the Nazi flag for what it has also done if I wanted to.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"you refuse to accept that under the United States flag there was also slavery"
No, I realize that. I realize that abolitionists tried to stop it and the south called them godless and anti-American.
They fought to stop it.
The South fought for the right to maintain the ownership of humans.
You can't debate that, only try to shift blame and rationalize it.
The fact that you do that should tell you something about the state of your soul.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow Ok, I'm Southern so I'm rotten despicable, and horrid. Now SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! You damn looney, I personally don't give a damn. Acting like you have the right to judge me. I suppose your shit doesn't stink either now does it? You are so perfect. Did you ever feel the whip crack on your back? NO! Do I own slaves? NO! SHUT THE FUCK UP! You belong in a mental institute. If I'm evil for being Southern then I don't want to be good and there's nothing you can do about it.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"Ok, I'm Southern so I'm rotten despicable, and horrid. "
I never said you were anything. I said the act of flying a flag that represents the right of slavery and segregation is wrong.
YOU "SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!" ya bully.
" If I'm evil for being Southern" You're ranting because you have no answer.
There is no excuse for flying that flag.
Be proud to be southern. Be proud of the good. Don't fly the flag that represented your thinking you had a right to own humans for God's sake!
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow If you could talk like a human instead of pointing fingers, I would return the favor. Give respect and it will be returned. The only point I tried to make was there was evil committed under all flags. And you are just incredibly hateful of my Southern flag. I already told you I hate offending people with the flag but they and you misinterpret what it stands for today. The poor folk and majority had no slaves, they were fighting to protect their homes from invaders.
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
"If you could talk like a human instead of pointing fingers, "
?? I am simply making the plain argument that the behavior of flying and venerating a blood soaked flag is disgusting. If that makes me inhuman to you, I think that's your misjudgment. I wonder at the state of your soul when you can hate your black neighbors enough to fly that flag over them.
That language is inhuman?
Really?
Is it me or you?
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow I told you what kind of black "neighbors" I had, remember? They enjoy hating whitey. I know not all blacks are like that but the only blacks that will see it will be them. And besides, That's not the reason for me flying the flag to begin with. It's the flag of the South. I happen to be from the South. Put it together. Are you that beautiful white woman I seen in that video on your channel? I just had to know, because I'm wondering, would blacks ever fight for your rights?
solaceinstrife 6 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow it doesnt represent slavery. the US flag flew over slave ships and plantations. the rebel flag was just a battle flags of a great nation that was using its rights to succeed from a tyrannical government
so go learn history
4everUSNavy 3 months ago
"it doesnt represent slavery." 4everUSNavy
It represents a nation whose culture, government and economy was based in slavery.
Not a heritage to declare pride in.
"tyrannical government"
SO sad to see these sentiments on confederate page.... the "TYRANNY" the North was abolition! Today you can call a government tyrannical if they try to end the ownership of humans?
You might claim it was over taxes only, like many do. But the politics of the era were based on the slave v free argument.
HopeForPeaceNow 3 months ago
@HopeForPeaceNow
Perhaps if you studied that conflict with an open mind you would find the following quotes from that era:
The war between the North and South is a tariff war. The war, is further, not for any principle, does not touch the question of slavery, and in fact turns on the Northern lust for power.”-Karl Marx
jrr0863 3 months ago
@jrr0863 (1/8)
What a piss poor and dishonest quote mine. Marx is not saying that, he is stating the argument of others in order to show it wrong. You purposely leave out the previous lines:
"For months the leading weekly and daily papers of the London press have been reiterating the same litany on the American Civil War.
Rundstedt1 3 months ago
@jrr0863 (2/8)
While they insult the free states of the North, they anxiously defend themselves against the suspicion of sympathising with the slave states of the South. In fact, they continually write two articles: one article, in which they attack the North, and another article, in which they excuse their attacks on the North.
In essence the extenuating arguments read:.."
Rundstedt1 3 months ago
@jrr0863 (3/8)
And then in the next line after your quote, he then states: "Point by point we will probe the plea of the English press." And then he dismantles your argument and clearly states that the real issue is slavery.
Rundstedt1 3 months ago
@jrr0863 (4/8)
"Naturally, in America everyone knew that from 1846 to 1861 a free trade system prevailed, and that Representative Morrill carried his protectionist tariff through Congress only in 1861, after the rebellion had already broken out. Secession, therefore, did not take place because the Morrill tariff had gone through Congress, but, at most, the Morrill tariff went through Congress because secession had taken place"
Rundstedt1 3 months ago
@jrr0863 (5/8)
And later in the article he makes it even clearer:
"The whole movement was and is based, as one sees, on the slave question."
Karl Marx "The North American Civil War" October 20, 1861
So you have been totally dishonest in your display of Marx here and your entire supposition is wrong. The confederacy was about the perpetuation and preservation of slavery and the admited it clearly enough at the time.
Rundstedt1 3 months ago
@jrr0863 (6/8)
"The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution." Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens on the Confederate Constitution.
Rundstedt1 3 months ago
@jrr0863 (7/8)
“Any neo-Confederate or plain old American who wants to say, ‘No, no, it’s about states’ rights,’ has the problem that they’re not arguing with me. They’re arguing with the people in South Carolina who seceded; they’re arguing with the convention in Mississippi.”
"I don’t mean to be mean, but secession and the Confederacy was all about treason on behalf of slavery, and we have to call it what it was.” Dr. James Loewen
Rundstedt1 3 months ago
@jrr0863 (8/8)
"Within the profession (historians) there's virtually no discussion or debate left of slavery as central to the antebellum south and the fundamental cause of secession and the war. To the extent within the profession there's a debate about this, people will talk about other causal factors such as economic factors creating secession and the Civil War, but those economic factors always come down to a slave economy" Dr. Eric Walther of University of Houston
Rundstedt1 3 months ago
"under the United States flag they killed off the Native Americans."
Genocide happen? So keep flying it's flag flying?
No, you are mistaken. The US did not set up a system of slavery of Indians which it fought to maintain.
We killed Indians does not make flying a flag that stood for subjugation right.
From the 65,000 blacks volunteered for the confederacy to the hell the US killed Indians, all you are doing is rationalizing what should be by instinct disgusting to you. Grow a soul.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
Uhh huh...
If you can't have your little dress up party to glorify the south then the rest of the country is racist!! ??
"You are the bigger racist "
then
"you want people to bow down and kiss black ass. "
Slavery, segregation and continued hatred for the race you maimed, tortured, murdered, raped, slit, burned, beat, whipped, lynched and told they were less than human.
THAT is YOUR heritage. And it hasn't changed, obviously. Y'all are proof.
FACE IT.
The rest of us have.
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
COnsider if whites had been the slaves of blacks for 400 years. YOur grandfather sold like aTV set, your grandmother raped. Your father segregated and your uncle lynched.
Would you want to see that flag flying today? Like a big middle finger in your face.
"victors version of history which omits and candy coats"
You reap what you sow. Don't try to blame the victim when you represent those who perpetrated an evil from the pit of hell.
Abolitionists ARE heros! GODLY HEROS!
Beg mercy, quick!
HopeForPeaceNow 6 months ago
yeesh... I don't know where to start so I won't.
pete1729 1 year ago
Is he seriously talking about Harry Potter?
SupaYoda 1 year ago