Genetically Modified Food, Panacea or Poison?

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 Most food related E.coli infections are caused by conventionally produced foods. Dozens of studies suggest that conventional foods were more likely to carry E.coli. Also the same Is found for Salmonella infections. I will post several studies when I get a chance. Most of your arguments are not based on the majority of scientific evidence, they are based a Penn and Teller episode or some study done by John Stossel, which aren`t credible. Anti-Organic = Anti-Science!

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 FAO says about bacteria on organic food "It can be concluded that organic farming potentially reduces the risk of E.coli infection" fao.org/docrep/meeting/X4983e.­htm#c2

Most studies suggest organically produced food generally contains LESS or equal amounts of harmful bacteria than conventionally produced food. I belong to an organic co-op and I generally pay less for organic produce compared to conventional produce at a supermarket.

[Redpill2011]

@myndy86 "Potentially"

In actuality the E.Coli outbreak was spread by organic food.

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "There have been many claims that eating organic foods increases exposure to micro-biological contaminants. Studies investigating these claims have found no evidence to support them. It is important to realize that all organic foods must meet the same quality and safety standards applied to conventional foods" fao.org/organicag/oa-faq/oa-fa­q4/en/

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "E. coli prevalence in certified organic produce was 4.3%, a level not statistically different from that in conventional samples." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/151512­24 "bacteriological quality, and the occurrence of selected pathogenic bacteria from organically grown Iceberg lettuce""No difference in bacteriological quality could be detected in lettuce at harvest after application of various types of manure-based fertilizers" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/150128­17

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "Salmonella was lower in certified-organic birds than in conventionally raised birds, and the prevalence of antimicrobial-resistant Salmonella was also higher in conventionally raised birds than in certified-organic birds." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/206179­37 "There was no significant difference in the prevalence of Salmonella spp between conventional and organic farms ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/153443­65

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 I actually spend less for most organic produce than I would for most conventional produce. I am also considered below poverty level. If the animal studies apply to humans, I should save a significant amount of money eating organic by having less medical expenses(a major cause of debt and poverty) and lost wages from sick days. People who complain organic is too expensive, often have no problem wasting money on things they don`t need.

[Redpill2011]

@myndy86 Being from the UK, I dont have to worry about Medical expense but there we go. Also, what makes organic food so safe? Last I heard bacteria and viruses thrive in organic environments.

Now you see the problem with you just coming on here and saying "well you're wrong because I do xyz, and I prove my own argument" , thats only good when you bring stuff to back it up. For instance, did you know that the UN's own FAO (food and agriculture org.) said that organic is more expensive?

[Redpill2011]

@myndy86 According to the FAO, Organic is more expensive for the following reasons: 1) Production costs for organic foods are typically higher because of greater labor input and because farmers don't produce enough of a single product to lower the overall cost. 2) Post-harvest handling of relatively small quantities of organic foods results in higher costs because organic and conventional produce must be separated for processing and transportation. (contd)

[michael0156]

redpill shills for biotech corps. Nothing he says can be considered untainted by his quest to destroy the oprganic market & push the agenda to genetically engineer every food crop on the planet so farmers can pay technology fees for every acre of land growing crops

Biotech crops are the most contaminated of any food we have ever produce in the history of mankind. 2 types of insecticide grown inside the crops, chemical insecticide still sprayed on them, herbicide contamination, poorer nutrition

[Redpill2011]

@michael0156 Fantastic. I'm going to ignore you for now.

[Redpill2011]

@myndy86 3) Marketing and the distribution chain for organic products are relatively inefficient, and costs are higher because of relatively small volumes. 4) The organic food supply is limited as compared to demand.

Organic is expensive. QED.

[michael0156]

@Redpill2011 Buying oranic is a CHOICE many more people make every day. The benefits of organic growing practices are MANY & IMMEDIATE. ZERO pollution- ZERO contamination of farmland, crops, watersheds- Increased nutrition in foods grown in LIVE SOILS- Increased health & peace of mind in amny individuals concerned about the poisons we have been spraying on crops and now force crops to grow inside the crop

Organic is growing at about 20% per year. The wave of the present & future

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 I find too much money is being spent on GM research that could have been spent on better less risky alternatives. Take the $120 milllion Rockefeller foundation spent on GM rice and cassava to try to make nutrient enhanced crops. when they could have accomplished the same thing investing in conventional breeding and organic farming, which can accomplish just about anything GM can do without most of the risks of GM.

[michael0156]

zemla - With corporate profits tied to patenting crops, animals & human DNA  there is no reasoning with shills. Hoyt & Phyrebird defend gene altered foods with the same lies biotech firms, like Monsanto-Novartis-Syngenta-Bay­er Crop Science etc use.

They will never admit the truth & lie about dangers to keep biotech food hidden by not labeling it. This is a war to win public opinion, appeasing is foolish

Changing food DNA to add insecticide & other changes will lead to sickness, famine & death

[1zemla1]

you guys need to stop comparing dick size and start working together. "punching walls" and "you're a liar"? This ego tripping is counter productive and poor destructive descion making. Be mature adults here, find common ground and work toward assertive rather than aggressive reactionary drama. grow up.

[michael0156]

In the world of corporate profits you can't be civilized with people making a profit. Many are sociopathic, bent on making money no matter who gets hurt

Merck is an example. They created Vioxx & knew in 1996 it was killing people. They fraudulently marketed it in 1999 lying to FDA, peer reviewed journals & customers killing over 60,000 Americans, injuring 120,000+. The CEO & board members are getting away with murder, the FDA does nothing

We have to protect our food, hoyt deliberately lies

[kingpinontube]

Wake Up america why is there no movement.Look at how the Asians revolted when Monsanto tried to enter their markets.Wake up guys

[sugoo2]

there are series consequences of GMO foods that contain high levels of pesticides..

these mimic estrogen in the body (xenoestrogens) and create estrogen pool overload which eventually makes women have cystic breasts, ovaries, and a very painful disease called endometriosis , these symptoms will mostly likely cause infertility long term if not cause breast or uterus cancers..

thanks again goes to our 'public servants' for poisoning us and shortening our lives..

GMO is eugenics.. !

[TIGITOE]

There are two reasons why the don´t ship the food to Afrkia and those who are in need. First it would collapse the food price markets on Wallstreet and the Empirial nations like Brittan, Europe America ect regard Afrika as their treasure land and want the people as weak as possible to control them better.

[burnmage1994]

GM food sux

[gringodeltoro1]

Having Monsanto in charge of our food is like having a serial killer babysitting your children.

[gigiontube]

Among other things, they violate people's right to be pure vegetarian. How to be pure vegetarian when the strawberries, potatoes, tomatoes etc. have animal, insect or fish dna inserted into them. These are the most evil people on the face of the earth. They lobby in Washington not to have their food labeled because they don't want us to be "confused". All the cancers and other diseases are produced by them. They should burn in hell! Stay away from gmo, ALL refined oils, all processed shit.

[NorthernLight12]

"Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is FDA's job"

- Phil Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications.

[NorthernLight12]

The guys at Monsanto have to be some of the most deluded, psychopathic fuckers around. Have they forgot that they and their families have to eat their shit too? They poison our food, kill animals, put farmers out of business, destroy our soil and threaten whole ecosystems. Can't they see that this will end badly? But who needs logic and ethics when you can keep hoarding more paper, right?

[omoshiroii]

thank you so much for posting this video..

[bigbother1]

for those who like Gm let me tell you something of great importance

a robot dog is nowhere close or advanced as a real dog

but they would have yo ubelive that some how a robot dog is well more adavnce than a real dog

most people go WOW did you see that robot dog wlak, i need to get more than A REAL dog, even though a real dog can do a million more things

THATS GM VERSE`S REAL FOOD

nwo which one would you want??? lol

[paigepatterson]

we live in a world that is driven by free enterprise and ingenuity, the companies are naturally trying to make a dollar, that's the way it works. Both food and non food plants have been pateneted for many years, just like anything else in the world that you have, that someone else wants. Just like anything else you reproduce, you have to pay for it, do you think they were able to develop all this ingenuity for free? Just to e nice?

[michael0156]

You are so naive... or you are lying. The biotech companies have one aim... to own all of the food produced in the world.

They are currently in the process of contaminating the entire US food supply which will eventually destroy the Organic Food Industry.

GMO food is the most contaminated and the worst polluting method of farming we have ever known.

We now grow 2 insecticides in "pest resistant" crops and still spray. Other crops we spray herbicide on, poisoning our food and land.

[Phyerbyrd]

You do realize that biotechnology can do more than just modify crops right? "Organic" food is modified too you know. Look up selective breeding, almost all food humans eat has been modified via artificial selection.

[michael0156]

Phyerbyrd, another corporate shill - biotechnolgy firms lied for years that genetic engineering is modern hybridization. It is not, YOU KNOW IT, you lie anyway

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Genetic engineering crosses species barriers. Hybridiztion can't. Human, bacterial, viral, & animal genes are put in food without oversight or real regulation

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Without labels no one knows if their food is making them ill. 2 or 3 types of pesticide in your food is not safe. USDA/FDA/EPA officials are unduly influenced

[Phyerbyrd]

Do you not understand that many animals undergo horizontal gene transfer? I didn't know what you were going to say and I'm not lying. Why do you assume that something that repels bugs will kill humans? Not all genetic modifications are harmful. Think, how could genetically altering strawberries to grow bigger poison humans? What about making bacteria that produce insulin, or goats used to produce enough spider silk to actually be useful? Genetic engineering has more than one use.

[michael0156]

@Phyerbyrd As I said before, a complete shill for biotech

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Why would you assume it's safe to eat corn that grows 2 or more EPA registered pesticides? These toxins kill SOME bugs that normally eat corn & regular commercial pesticide still has to be sprayed

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The FDA claims corn growing pesticides is "substantially equivalent" to ordinary corn, but violates it's own regulations requiring labeling of foods with additives

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NO ANIMALS undergo horizontal gene transfer, you ARE a liar

[Phyerbyrd]

Look up horizontal gene transfer, it's real. Most prokaryotes and some eukaryotes contain genes from their peers. If you deny this you're denying well established scientific fact. Do you think that this is all biotechnology can do? Biologists can now make insulin for diabetics, help fight cancer, and much more than simple pesticides. You can also make the fruit bigger or contain more nutrients. I'm not a shill, I just know more about biology than you do.

[michael0156]

@Phyerbyrd You are simply a lying shill. One of the biggest problema we have today is the toxins from gene altered bacterial & yeast production. These organisms are crushed to release the "naturally" produced substance & purifying is attempted. Substances are NEVER pure. They are always contaminated with endotoxins, dna fragments, other cell debris and the soup they are grown in. High fructose corn syrup, "natural" flavors, "natural" supplements (like tryptophan) all contaminated & harmful.

[Phyerbyrd]

You do realize the deadliest toxins known to man are "natural", correct? Tryptophan is an essential amino acid that humans cannot live without. Natural fertilizers like cow manure contain a good amount of pathogens that can harm you more than many synthetic chemicals. One question; why do you think that an amount of poison barely strong enough to kill a miniscule insect will do anything to you? You would need to actively come into contact with a large amount of the poison to get killed.

[michael0156]

You need to read about the issues I bring & stop lying

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Tryptophan did not poison/kill. The toxins produced through genetically engineering bacteria DID!

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in the 80's Showa Denko (a pharmaceutical company) used bacteria to make tryptophan, as many companies did. In 1989 they genetically engineered the bacteria to produce tryptophan faster. This batch, & ONLY this batch, poisoned 1000s causing their immune system to attack their nervous system (EMS). CDC/FDA/Mayo tied this to Shows Denko

[michael0156]

more shill lies

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Prokaryotes/eukaroytes that have horizontal gene transfer are single celled. Humans/animals CANNOT have HGT. In 2010 an hypothesis stated a unique gene sequence found common in several organisms MAY have occurred through HGT tens of millions of years ago, but they are UNABLE to explain how that could happen

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The addition of foreign genes to ANY organism causes unknown & unknowable changes as in potatoes that killed lab animals & tryptophan that killed hundreds of people

[Phyerbyrd]

I'm not a shill. I'm not paid by any of the companies, I have no way to possibly benefit from lying. Unknowable is a bit of a stretch, you'll know what the effects of the splicing are when they arise. As for animals never undergoing horizontal gene transfer, look up pea aphids. They transfered a gene from fungi. Your problem is that you see all of the changes being bad, which is physically impossible.

[michael0156]

@Phyerbyrd How many ways can he lie?

1. "I am not a shill - I cannot benefit from lying", but you lie anyway... why?

2. "you will know the effects of splicing" - splicing is not done when modifying crops. Gene packages insert randomly. The package will affect expression of nearby host genes in unpredictable, sometimes observable & mosttimes unknown/unknowable ways.

Gene packages - promoter gene (usually viral), marker gene (usually antbiotic resistance), desired gene (from any organism)

[michael0156]

To compound the problem I will bring up your idea of horizontal gene transfer. Bacteria (single cells) are VERY good at incorporating foreign genes

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Many different antibiotic resistance genes are used by 100s of biotech companies. The genes are in pollen & the crop we eat or use as feed. Transfer of antibiotic resistance to bacteria has been proven in the gut of bees & probably occurs in animal/human gut bacteria. Dr Joseph Cummins has warned of these & other dangers from genetic engineering

[michael0156]

Side effects of random gene insertion can never be known or predicted. Literally thousands of gene packages are inserted into thousands of plant cells. Some die immediately, some don't reproduce, most have mutations that make them unviable, some appear normal but don't flower or fruit, some grow "normally" as far as we look & can tell

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Survivors are sprayed with antibiotic. Those that don't die we think incorporated the gene package. This isn't science, this is Dr Jekyl meets Frankenstein

[michael0156]

@Phyerbyrd Regarding your pea aphids BS

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Quotes about this "discovery"

1. "evidence POINTS to LGT [Lateral Gene transfer] from bacteria to aphids"

2. "the transferred gene COULD be a remnant of an infection in the DISTANT past"

This is not proof of HGT/LGT but a lie-pothesis to explain a symbiotic relationship between aphid & bacterium, Buchnera aphidicola. & a gene SIMILAR to a DIFFERENT bacteria that is RELATED to a common aphid bacteria, Wolbachia

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Guesses within guesses or B.S.!!

[Phyerbyrd]

Distant is relative, almost no other animals have the ability to synthesize that chemical, and even other insects can't. What's more likely, every other insect species in the world lost that gene, or that single insect gained that gene? As for the L-tryptophan, did you know that that disease can be caused by overdosing on the chemical itself? Look up "Tryptophan bacteria engineered" on google and look at the first hit on the second page.

[michael0156]

@Phyerbyrd - regarding the L-tryptophan "overdosing" effect... that is not from the L-tryptophan sweetheart, it's from the contaminants from the manufacturing and retrieval process. That involves crushing bacteria to get at the tryptophan. Purification methods are woefully indadequate & non-self endotoxin and other cell debris & toxins are in the tryptophan. It's the contaminants that caused EMS.

Genetic engineering is not needed to feed the world, just fill the coffers of corporations

[Phyerbyrd]

Says the guy advocating buying crops that are imported at high price, fertilized with substances known to contain pathogens and are over-ripened by the time they get to the market. Did you even look up the site I told you about? Look at the second reference, it explains everything.

[michael0156]

Now junior takes a swipe at organic food without mentioning any names.

Gene altered food is plagued with all the problems of conventional crops. Grown in nearly dead soils depleted of micro-nutrients, sprayed with pesticides, polluting the land/water with toxins & run-off of chemical fertilizers, "fertilized" with sludge, polluting farmers workers & consumers. Gene altered crops have ADDITIONAL problems; 2 insecticides grown inside them, herbicides sprayed on them, DNA changes no one looks for

[hoyt596]

@michael0156 Do you understand that the pesticides grown inside the plants are not harmful to humans? caffeine is in some plants naturally because it is an INSECT NEUROTOXIN!

[hoyt596]

@michael0156 Do you understand that the pesticides grown inside the plants are not harmful to humans? caffeine is in some plants naturally because it is an INSECT NEUROTOXIN!

[michael0156]

hoyt says "pesticides grown in plants are not harmful" - Where are the human trials for any of the pesticides grown in food crops? They don't exist. Stating they are safe without any studies or trials is simply lying

Adding genes to food crops is unnecessary & is done for profit. WITHOUT the proper utilization of most of our farmland in the world we still produce TOO MUCH FOOD. Owning all food thru patents & destruction of the organic/conventional food industry is biotech's aim

[michael0156]

@hoyt596 You are simply a dupe or a liar. There is no long term or extensive safety testing or studies proving modified plants are safe for human or animal consumption. There is proof that some modified plants have killed/sickened lab animals

That some plants produce poisons or toxins is a known fact, that we don't know what the consequences are of modifying all plant life on earth is also a fact. We have had crop failures on large scales in the USA and in India just from genetic modification

[michael0156]

Organic farming is a boon for American farmers, allowing them to fill a niche market with safe food

Conventional crops are grown in dead depleted soils with chemicals or the MUCH WORSE municipal sludge & contaminated with residues of herbicides/insecticides

Gene altered crops have all the problems of conventional + at least 2 insecticides grown in the food with herbicide sprayed on crops "engineered" to survive herbicide. Altering genes ALWAYS causes unknown changes & is known to kill lab rats

[michael0156]

junior takes a swipe at organic food, playing all the wrong cards

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Jr. says

Organic is imported & high priced - No, organics are saving the family farmer & providing a healthier non-polluting sustainable alternative to damaging conventional chemical based farming. Prices are higher as organic farming is more labor intensive. The cost savings for a cleaner environment are not factored in. The costs of pollution are not figured in to the costs of conventional farming

[michael0156]

@Phyerbyrd re; your poor attempts to defend your lie that HGT occurs in animals by referring to pea aphids. The study DOES NOT PROVE ANYTHING NEAR WHAT YOU CLAIM. it is filled with what ifs & maybe's, not proof. Haven't your teachers taught you better than to lie or misrepresent?

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The pea aphid history goes back 100 MILLION YEARS... that is not distant? Your study is an hypothesis about an aphid gene looking similar to a relative of a bacteria associated with aphids... Way more than a stretch

[Phyerbyrd]

They were still insects 100 million years ago, and I realize this is an exception, but you don't think it's odd that a gene associated almost exclusively with fungi to be present in an aphid? Barely any other insects, or animals for that matter have that metabolic pathway, so I highly doubt that it's ancestral. I'm not trying to claim it happens in all animals, I'm just pointing out a sole exception.

[michael0156]

Your pea aphid story is an incomplete fairy tale

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Your fable, paraphrased- A gene in pea aphids is similar to a gene in a bacteria which is related to another bacteria that is associated with another species of aphid-

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You called that proof of horizontal gene transfer. You are simply a liar. That garbage is hypothetical conjecture rooted in the power of a supercomputer able to compare millions of gene sequences to find any depth of "similarity" a programmer is asked to find- Stay in school

[michael0156]

@Phyerbyrd for horizontal gene trannsfer to happen in a multicellular organism constructed from DNA the germ cells would have to absorb the genes in order to pass on the "acquired" trait. In humans and animals that would involve spermatogenesis and the eggs in the ovary. Do I have to explain what would happen if only one was changed?

[Phyerbyrd]

Unless it alters chromosome count nothing, actually. As i said before, I'm pointing out a sole exception. Change is change, would you feel more comfortable if they completely fabricated new genes? Do you not understand that the biologists keep these new organisms in the lab for further testing, making sure that they worked all the bugs out before commercializing them?

[michael0156]

"Biologists keep new organisms in the lab making sure all the bugs are worked out before commercializing"

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You are completely ignorant or a corporate shill. Drugs are being grown in crops in the open. Crops with factory grade enzymes have been released into our food supply. An entire farm of gene altered salmon were accidentally released. Antibiotic resistance marker genes, dozens of them, are being incorporated by bacteria. You are an idiot if you think your lies will get past me

[michael0156]

In the 80's we used bacteria to produce the "natural" substance L-tryptophan

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In 1989 Shows Denko gene altered it's bacteria to produce L-trypt faster. Crushing the bacteria to release the L-tryptophan they purify it, but products produced this way are NEVER pure. This batch killed hundreds, injured thousands in USA & Canada. Showa Denko destroyed the bacteria before testing could be done. CDC determined it was Showa's gene modified batch that was poisonous

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Unknown changes always occur

[hoyt596]

@michael0156 You are so ignorant that i just want to punch a wall. YES this will be the end of the organic food industry. SO WHAT? Watch the video again and listen to their useless statements- "food is something that exists" "food is important to humans" "sciency stuff is complex and intricate" "people dont like people touching their food" "farmers are in trouble because they can't get you to pay more for basic needs HOW THE HECK IS HAVING CHEEP FOOD DETRIMENTAL?

925,000,000 people are starving

[michael0156]

@hoyt596 The stats at the USDA/WHO/WTO agree we produce enough to feed 9 billion, yet many starve. That is not because we need biotech but because of greed & distribution problems that biotech can't solve

Biotech food is more expensive with added herbicide applications, licensing fees & per/acre technology fees EVERY TIME THE ALTERED FOOD IS GROWN. Saving seed is not allowed, new seed must be purchased every time you plant

Biotech will increase food cost, crop failures, contamination & deaths

[michael0156]

hoyt again claims gene alteration of all plant life by people whose aim is profit is a good thing & organic food is a waste of effort

He is a knowing liar. Genetic modification & patenting of food is used solely to own the right to grow any plant or animal & force royalty fees to be paid. These life-patents extend to seeds or offspring

Human genes linked to breast cancer were patented by Myriad & no one could could be tested for the gene or do research on the gene without paying myriad fees

[michael0156]

Hoyt claims gene alteration makes cheap food... He lies again. Gene alteration results in higher prices for seeds, more crop failures, extra expense in buying herbicide to spray on herbicide resistant crops, royalty fees for each acre planted, UNSTUDIED novel toxins in plants

On a planet of 6 billion the earth's farmers produce enough to feed 9 billion. We have enough food. We simply have too many greedy people, like hoyt, who protect patenting of life forms & make food more expensive

[Redpill2011]

@michael0156 "There is no evidence that organic food ismore nutritious than conventionally grown food" - David Milliband, former Environment Secretary.

[michael0156]

@Redpill2011 Really Miliband? He has no training or experience in farming, nutrition, biotech or organic foods. His training & experience is in politics and philosophy. You couldn't get a more unqualified person to defend toxin-laden biotech food products or attack organic foods, & a British politician to boot

The OBVIOUS advantages of organic growing cannot be denied. The poisons of conventional farming are over-shadowed by the disastrous increase in toxins in & on DNA-altered crops

[Redpill2011]

@michael0156

*Sigh

As has already been pointed out there is not a shred of evidence that any GM food on the market is poisonous or unsafe in any way.

You have the evidence?

*sips coca-cola

[michael0156]

@Redpill2011 Here you reveal yourself for the corporate shill you are. It's easy to find "no evidence" when you are not required to look for any. A little duct tape over the eyes & some low-tech cotton balls in your ears... yep, you can scream "I have found no evidence" all day long

FDA commissioners declared GM foods to be the same as conventional despite the opposition of the FDA's scientific advisors

ww w.biointegrity. org/list. html

You simply lie supporting biotech companies

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "D. magna fed GM-maize showed a significantly reduced fitness performance: The mortality was higher, a lower proportion of females reached sexual maturation, and the overall egg production was lower compared to D. magna fed UM isogenic maize.""The combination of a reduced fitness performance combined with earlier onset of reproduction of D. magna fed Bt-maize indicates a toxic effect rather than a lower nutritional value of the GM-maize." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/183478­40

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "We observed that after the consumption of MON863""Chemistry measurements reveal signs of hepatorenal toxicity""Triglycerides increased by 24-40% in females (either at week 14, dose 11% or at week 5, dose 33%, respectively); urine phosphorus and sodium excretions diminished in males by 31-35% (week 14, dose 33%)""with the present data it cannot be concluded that GM corn MON863 is a safe product." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/173568­02

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "Animal toxicity studies with certain GM foods have shown that they may toxically affect several organs and systems.""The results of most studies with GM foods indicate that they may cause some common toxic effects such as hepatic, pancreatic, renal, or reproductive effects and may alter the hematological, biochemical, and immunologic parameters." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/189898­35

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "Several convergent data appear to indicate liver and kidney problems as end points of GMO diet effects in the above-mentioned experiments. This was confirmed by our meta-analysis of all the in vivo studies published, which revealed that the kidneys were particularly affected, concentrating 43.5% of all disrupted parameters in males, whereas the liver was more specifically disrupted in females (30.8% of all disrupted parameters)." enveurope"dot"com/content/23/1 /10

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "GM-fed mice of all ages considered, the number of perichromatin granules is higher and the nuclear pore density lower.""we found enlargements in the smooth endoplasmic reticulum in GM-fed mice Sertoli cells." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/­15718­213 "our data suggest that GM soybean intake can influence hepatocyte nuclear features in young and adult mice" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/­12441­651

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "Several proteins belonging to hepatocyte metabolism, stress response, calcium signalling and mitochondria were differentially expressed in GM-fed mice, indicating a more marked expression of senescence markers in comparison to controls. Moreover, hepatocytes of GM-fed mice showed mitochondrial and nuclear modifications indicative of reduced metabolic rate. This study demonstrates that GM soybean intake can influence some liver features" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/186488­43

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "This indicates that GM soy protein intake affected pancreas function, evidenced by the early acute PAP mRNA increased levels and pancreas cellular changes followed by recuperation of acinar cells after 30 days." onlinelibrary.wiley"dot"com/do­i/10.1002/jat.1319/abstract "The GM-fed D. magna had lower survival (lx) than the UM-fed D. magna throughout the experiment" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/­PMC2811247/

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "the 3 GMOs new side effects linked with GM maize consumption, which were sex- and often dose-dependent. Effects were mostly associated with the kidney and liver, the dietary detoxifying organs, although different between the 3 GMOs. Other effects were also noticed in the heart, adrenal glands, spleen and haematopoietic system. We conclude that these data highlight signs of hepatorenal toxicity, possibly due to the new pesticides specific to each GM corn." biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "this study was designed to evaluate the effects of transgenic corn on the rats that were fed through three generations with either GM corn or its conventional counterpart.""there were some minimal histopathological changes in liver and kidney. Changes in creatinine, total protein and globulin levels were also determined in biochemical analysis." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/181913­19

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "mice were fed a diet containing MON810 or its parental control maize or a pellet diet containing a GM-free maize""MON810 maize induced alterations in the percentage of T and B cells and of CD4(+), CD8(+), gammadeltaT, and alphabetaT subpopulations of weaning and old mice fed for 30 or 90 days, respectively, at the gut and peripheral sites. An increase of serum IL-6, IL-13, IL-12p70, and MIP-1beta after MON810 feeding was also found." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/190072­33

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "adverse microscopic and molecular effects of some GM foods in different organs or tissues have been reported." onlinelibrary"dot"wiley.com/do­i/10.1111/j.1753-4887.2008.001­30.x/full

"The RACB trial showed time related negative reproductive effects of the GM maize under the given experimental conditions." biosicherheit.de/pdf/aktuell/z­entek_studie_2008.pdf

There are many more as well.

[Redpill2011]

@michael0156 Im sorry, but what is the adavantage of something thats more expensive and inefficient? Smearing crops in shit does not make it the food of the gods.

[michael0156]

Redpill sinks to John Stossel' level (apologized for phony report on GMO & organics)

Incorporating ORGANIC manure from ORGANICALLY raised farm animals is a PROVED SAFE way of enriching soil. It is not spread on crops

Conventional farming uses sludge (bio-solids) from human/factory/hospital waste treatment. Sludge is also in most garden soils at Lowe's, WalMart etc. Read the extensive warning labels

Which would RP rather have in the dirt his food is grown in?

He will lie, as in all his posts

[Redpill2011]

@michael0156 So, you're offering for my food to be grown in one of two types of shit? I dont really get what your point is, orgnanic does not mean "clean" or "hygenic" any more than bio-solids does.

To the best of my knowledge, shit is still shit.

Oh an accusations of lying? Classy, real university standard debating style you got going there. Jog on kid.

[michael0156]

@Redpill2011

Redpill's lies

1. Quotes Milliband about food nutrition. Milliband has no training in food or nutrition. He's trained in philosophy & politics

2. Says organic food is "smeared in shit"

3. Implies bio-solids & organic fertilizer are equally unsafe. Biosolids are wet solid waste from water treatment plants contaminated w/ toxins & heavy metals. It's used on factory farms & in garden soils (w/ warning labels) sold at local stores. Organic fertilizer is naturally occurring & safe

[michael0156]

@Redpill2011 I didn't accuse you of lying, I exposed you as a liar. Stop lying. Ignoring your lies would be a mistake in any debate. You are not debating but simply lying, deflecting, deceiving

Come here with facts, because there are some "benefits" to genetically altering our crops. But they come at a price... sometimes the price is simply food is more expensive, or they contaminate organic & conventional farms (for which injured farmers were sued for patent infringement)

Learn, then debate

[Redpill2011]

@michael0156 I'm reminded of a toddler being told that Santa isnt real...

More to follow!

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 UN report Organic Agriculture and Food Security in Africa which states "Poverty is a major contributory factor to food security, organic farmers benefit from (i) cash savings, as organic farming precludes the need to purchase synthetic pesticides and fertilisers; (ii) extra incomes gained by selling the surplus produce(resulting from the change to organic); (iii) premium prices for certified organic produce, obtained primarily in Africa for export but also for domestic markets;"

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 UNEP-UNCTAD report "Organic Agriculture and Food Security in Africa "and (iv) added value to organic products through processing activities. These findings are backed up by studies from Asia and Latin America that concluded that organic farming can reduce poverty in an environmentally friendly way."

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "Today's scientific evidence demonstrates that agroecological methods outperform the use of chemical fertilizers in boosting food production where the hungry live- especially in unfavorable environments.""To date agroecological projects have shown an average crop yield increase of 80% in 57 developing countries, with an average increase of 116% for all African projects." srfood.org/index.php/en/compon­ent/content/article/1174-repor­t-agroecology-and-the-right-to­-food

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "Organic farming can yield up to three times as much food as conventional farming on the same amount of land.""in developed countries, yields were almost equal on organic and conventional farms. In developing countries, food production could double or triple using organic methods"" sciencedaily"dot"com/releases/­2007/07/070711134523.htm

[Redpill2011]

@michael0156 Please, Im not one to compliment government ministers, but to say they have no knowledge at all is pretty stupid. Any minister is presented with all the facts. A minister lilke Miliband is one of the least likely to lie, what would he have to gain?

[michael0156]

@Redpill2011 Now you defect & attempt to confuse by mistating what I have said. I didn't say Miliband has no knowledge but that he has no training in this issue. His training of record is philosophy & politics. Politcal ministers rely on advisors. Corporations profiting from various technologies spend money to ensure politicians "assist" them or are duped with industry propaganda

That you pretend not to know what I was talking about speaks volumes on your ability to think or your motivations

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 The huge majority of peer reviewed review studies over the past 15 years suggest organic is more nutritious/healthier. "Organic crops contain a significantly higher amount of certain antioxidants (vitamin C, polyphenols and flavonoids) and minerals, as well as have higher dry matter content than conventional ones.""a lower level of pesticide residues, nitrate and some heavy metal contaminations in organic crops compared to conventional ones." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/172977­­­55

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "reviews of multiple studies show that organic varieties do provide significantly greater levels of vitamin C, iron, magnesium, and phosphorus than non-organic varieties of the same foods. While being higher in these nutrients, they are also significantly lower in nitrates and pesticide residues.""organic foods typically provide greater levels of a number of important antioxidant phytochemicals (anthocyanins, flavonoids, and carotenoids)." ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/203592­­­65

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 International Journal of Food Sciences and Nutrition "Organic food: nutritious food or food for thought?" Weight gain was greater in organically fed rats,mortality was lower at 9 weeks,incidence of degenerative diseases was lower. Lower mortality in organically fed rabbits. 2nd and 3rd generation rabbits from organically fed parents exhibited higher birth rates and more viable embryos. Infectious illnesses were less frequent in 2nd generation organically fed animals.

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "A short review of such experiments shows that the majority of these tests revealed effects of the organically produced feed on health parameters such as reproductive performance and immune responses."" The science-based results suggest positive influences from organic feeds" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/203550­­­28 "Ecological food is tastier and contains more essential amino-acids, vitamin C, and micro-nutriments than usual food" ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/166101­­­89

[myndy86]

@Redpill2011 "1/ organic plant products contain more dry matter and minerals (Fe, Mg); and contain more anti-oxidant micronutrients such as phenols and salicylic acid, 2/ organic animal products contain more polyunsaturated fatty acids""4/ 94–100% of organic food does not contain any pesticide residues, 5/ organic vegetables contain far less nitrates, about 50% less" agronomy-journal"dot"org/index­­.php?option=com_article&acces­s­=doi&doi=10.1051/agro/200901­9&­Itemid=129

[Redpill2011]

@myndy86 You know, you could just hyperlink these studies instead of making it look like you have mountains of documents. Now, GM food obviously have their flaws but unless you want to say that all GM will ultimately end the same way as the movie "Splice" there is undeniable potential. But instead of subsidising or supporting research into this field, making it safer and productive, Greenpeace and the type of people who comment on this video simply put their fingers in their ears like children.

[Redpill2011]

@myndy86 Now, you can keep on quoting all the studies you like about how Organic is fine and dandy, but the simple and unavoidable fact is that I go down to my supermarket to pick up groceries, and there is still an "Organic" section, with nice packaging, and an upscale price tag to match. What you are promoting is simply elitism, the middle class and above get to eat "healthy", the rest you just leave to whatever is left. Years on, Organic food is still the middle class' preserve.

[nilesriver2]

only 1414 views. Too many stupid people. get out the word...........how can you have freedom to chose what to eat if its not labeled, and why do they spend so much to make sure its not? OPEN YOUR EYES AMERICA

[kimxxxyyy]

I have allergically reacted to soy thanks to gmos, big corporations are evil entities with no consciousness, I am aware of this and I will vote with my dollar to only support non gmos and only buy organic whole foods!!!!

[Redpill2011]

@kimxxxyyy How fortunate that you can afford that luxury...

[bigbother1]

we all know GM is poison

[Xakryn]

truefoodnow(dot)org/shoppersgu­ide/guide_printable(dot)html#b­aking

but do most know to what degree is modified already.

[slasher667]

yes...because almost everything you eat is poison...

[Redpill2011]

@bigbother1 *Noms on GM apple* So far so good!