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@earsarehearible I am glad that you started your campaign to expose me with Jim. Jim and I have been conversing for years. He and I disagree vehemently on some matters of theology.
However, Jim is the consumate gentleman and graciously puts up with my banter. Jim is a good example of someone who disagrees, but is always respectful. You should imulate him.
So, make your best shot, there Zac Boy. Tell him of my idolatry and lies. But first you have to find them. He's waiting.
"head back to the playground, this is an adults venue. Did you figure out where that chip got to?"
The one that you rejected, and dogmatically declared
"Heres a hint for you, you preach Jesus then give up on your fantasy technology crap."
Can't get it?
"I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands.
"No i placed the i there on purpose, that way when i get banned again from someones channel i can put the a there with my new name & still have the same name! Simpl." earsarehorrible 1 week ago
"It certainly proves your dishonour. Even you are expecting failure from yourself. That doesn't say much does it?" MJ
"That is fine jono, i figured that saying hello to you would irk you, & upset your friends"
That might be in your world, but in reality, you don't irk... you entertain. You harm others with your ignorance, but not me. Because you move from a spam button to the thumbs down button shows just how vain you are.
So just to REMIND YOU, what this channel's author thinks of the situation and what you actually GOT in that brain of yours...
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@earsarehearible You honour him with empty words, because you see it fit to spam his words, cad.
So because he is all knowing, then your lies and idolatry of self is showing through. I mean... you're giving your own comments the thumbs up? What a lamer.
Can you share with me your understanding of the Godhead? you mentioned that you believe the Father is the holy Spirit (please correct me if i misunderstood what you said), then you said Jesus is the second person of the Godhead.
What is his nature? Is he God by nature, angel by nature? what are your thoughts?
There is definitely a huge apostasy that has arisen, and even a greater one still yet to come, and for those who do not stick closely to the bible will be the first to accept those apostasy teachings
The world has already been primed to accept visions, and dreams, from prophets over the last few hundred years, when the antichrist appears it will be easy for them to accept because they've already drifted from the word of God
They trust visions over the word. Turn to the bible
So its okay for them to believe in the Godhead, and believe that Jesus is God, but not okay for others? This is why I have come to understand that it is not because of doctrines you come against me, or else you'd think they were lost to based on the same teachings.
Thus this isn't about doctrines, there is something inside you that hates me, and hates the fact I dwell on Christ and his blood. You need Jesus my good friend, please turn to him.
Don't you realize that this is why God can dwell within us now and we become his temple? Your sin has been dealt with and you have been set free because Christ who is the veil has come so that you might pass through him and be saved, and receive the righteousness of God through him.
This is why you have his presence dwelling IN you. You have become a sanctified people.
who told you that you can't enter his presence yet? You already have the righteousness of Christ. The bible has told you that now you can boldly come before the throne in the presence of God.
In fact Jesus himself has raised you up to sit with him in heavenly places. He has perfected you in the Fathers sight.
@Myhopeisinhim Are you referring to Christ's flesh, as in Heb. 10:19-22, or still something else?
"Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
And having an high priest over the house of God;
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water".
"having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water"
This action of Jesus upon the believer validates the fact that it IS possible through Him to NOT yield to the temptations of the flesh that so continually beset us; we are CLEAN.
Therefore, if we in fact DO yield to Satan's impulses to be sinful rather than righteous as Christ has made us, EITHER we confess and repent in order to be cleansed yet AGAIN, or we choose to continue in sin and be FILTHY again.
Bingo:) The veil that separated the Most Holy Place from the holy place represented Christ in the flesh. Jesus himself. Until Christ entered the flesh and prepared the way for us, we could not enter the Most Holy place. The presence of the living God.
The tearing of the veil symbolized that his flesh being broken for our sin opened and prepared the way so that we might enter God's presence. No longer would there be a barrier between us and his presence.
It has nothing to do with an actual physical veil in heaven, just like there isn't an actual physical golden jar of manna in heaven. These things represented Jesus Christ. The way the temple was set up represented the situation between man and God.
The two rooms with the veil separating the presence of God showed us that we were separated from him because of our sin, and until that veil came down, opening the way, we could not yet enter in.
The priest going through the veil every year signified the way into the presence of God, through the flesh of Christ with the blood. Remember Jesus said, "except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
The priest past through the flesh with the blood to enter the presence of God. This signifies how we find salvation in him. It's a two fold teaching. It's not about a literal veil in heaven, but how we can enter the presence of God through jesus.
How Jesus IS the veil we must pass through. And unless you pass through him, you cannot enter the presence of God.
Make no mistake, the literal veil is Jesus. It's not some cloth piece hanging between two rooms in heaven. And because he died, and paid our price, the way into God's presence has been made. Nothing to do with 1844 either.
@Myhopeisinhim "the veil separating ... showed us that we were separated from him because of our sin, and until that veil came down, opening the way, we could not yet enter in"
Since, and as long as, Jesus still intercedes as our High Priest, we are STILL unable to pass through the veil ourselves and come directly into His Father's presence. This will be the case as long as sins are still being brought to Christ for forgiveness; once this ceases, He can THEN leave the temple and come for us.
@Myhopeisinhim "showed that we now have direct access into God's presence"
Keep THIS in mind: NONE other than the priest himself was allowed access INTO the temple, but only into the courtyard where they brought their sacrifices TO the priest.
As OUR High Priest, Jesus, our only means of access to His Father as our Intercessor, is STILL the only One authorized to go there alone.
In heaven, the veil STILL separates both compartments of THAT Sanctuary, presently in its cleansing (atoning) process.
@Myhopeisinhim "your answer directly refutes the 1844 doctrine"
The ONLY "1844 doctrine" I'm aware of is Dan. 8:14's mention of the (heavenly) sanctuary being cleansed after the 2,300-day(year) time period expires.
The earthly sanctuary has been non-existent since 70 A.D., having been declared desolate decades earlier by Jesus, leaving the one in heaven as the ONLY one needing to undergo the Day of Atonement process, and be cleansed of all forgiven sins brought there by Christ our High Priest.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
This will be my last post on here to you specifically. I pray that you have found life in the Son of God, who is the Christ, who came from heaven to earth and died on the cross, shedding his blood for your sin, and rose again the third day. All who believe in who he is, in what he did, that he did it for them, and that he can do what he promised will be saved.
I pray that you have humbled yourself at the feet of Christ at his cross, and accepted his blood as payment for your sin
@earsarehearible An idol is either a self-centered goal place above all else, or a visible, touchable object usually in front of the worshiper, as I see it. I have heard prayers directed to all three Persons of the Godhead, even in the same prayer a lot of the time, and thought nothing of it.
@earsarehearible "doe's that mean God is one Spirit & the Holy Spirit another Spirit???"
When you refer to God, that is ALL of His separate Personnae. It might be easier to comprehend your postings more properly if you would call the Father the Father, the Son the Son, and the Spirit the Spirit (or Holy Spirit.), considering that ALL comprise God who is Spirit, No?
Jesus referred to, and was subject to, the complete will of His Father, while here on earth with us, and NOW comes to us VIA the HS
@earsarehearible "subject to God His Father, & WILL hand back ALL authority of Gods Kingdom to God the Father"
It seems that the Father and Son have been, and presently ARE, SHARING all authority with one another, as well as with the Holy Spirit, if Jesus' departing words of Matt. 28:18 are of any significance whatsoever: "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth".
What I understand is that you don't believe Jesus is the creator, despite (Colossians 1:16, and John 1). You are also denying Jesus being God, despite numerous verses being given to you. This shows me that you do not accept the word of God.
I must also remind you that the wrong Jesus cannot save. If you deny the word which he gave, then whose doctrines are you believing? It certainly isn't the bible.
God the Father sent the Son, who is the same nature as the Father, to this earth, and he lowered himself below the angels for the suffering of death. No one is saying that Jesus is God the Father, the Father sent him. There are some who believe in what is called "oneness" those people believe there is no trinity, they believe it's just Jesus himself.
You are confusing the teaching of the trinity with oneness teaching.
You keep saying "us" who is us? You aren't adventist, you aren't jehovah witness, you aren't mormon, you aren't pentacostal. Who is the us you speak for?
Are you a critic of the bible? Do you even really trust that the bible is the word of God?
I'm still trying to see what you believe about who Jesus is. You don't believe he is God, you don't believe he is the creator. Exactly who do you believe he is, and where do you believe he came from?
@earsarehearible How many OTHER people of your acquaintance hold to a 2-part Godhead? To the best of my knowledge you are the ONLY one promoting this? Even Genesis 1 separates God from the Holy Spirit who is said to then have "moved upon the face of the waters".
Also note Rev. 2 and 3, CHRIST's words to the seven churches, in which He concludes each one with "let him hear what THE SPIRIT saith to the churches", thus equating HIMSELF with the Holy Spirit.
Alright class, are you listening. Zac leave jkw733 alone and pay attention.
jkw733 Jim) did the work for us. He gave us isaiah 9.6
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given...and his name shall be Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
Ergo, the Son is God, the Father.
If...The Holy Spirit = God...and...God = The Son...then...The Holy Spirit is the Son!!
Ah Zac...You get a Big A and a star, if you accept this truth!
@earsarehearible Good aftrernoon earsarehearible. I hope you are well. You wrote:
"The Holy Spirit = God = 2 = Godhead!"
I see you like the algabraic approach. You remember 7th grade algebra. Although with me is was more like 12th grade algebra. I was a little slow. You remember this proof:
If A = B and B = C then A = C Remember that.
Well, you have stated that A = B i.e. The Holy Spirit = God. Well if we can prove that Jesus = God, then we will prove that Christ = Holy Spiri
@earsarehearible "It can get no clearer then God Himself saying that He alone will dwell in us!"
Jesus ALSO made that promise. He returned to heaven with a glorified body similar to that which He occupied when here with man; visible, touchable, able to ingest food, as was proven to the apostles, especially Thomas.
That said, His promise of the Comforter in John 14:17 & 18 is "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you", and v.23, "WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode WITH him".
Since Jesus is to return from heaven "as ye have seen Him go unto heaven" (Acts 1:11), He still has His glorified body, absent which, during the interim, he can fulfill His promise to come to us ONLY by the very same Spirit which He SHARES with His Father; the THIRD Person of the TRIUNE Godhead.
Certainly Scripture makes no mention of the much-later-fabricated word "Trinity", but the three-part concept of God remains, or Christ is NOT God and the Holy Spirit IS, if He is only a 2-part Godhead.
2) "It can get no clearer then God Himself saying that He alone will dwell in us!"
Paul also makes mention of "CHRIST in you, the hope of glory" and other references where Christ, or the Spirit of Christ, indwells us. I believe Paul has presented a more accurate concept of the three-part Godhead than you, sir, are trying to do by reducing it to two, and standing by that as "fact" contrary to Scripture.
Rom. 8:8-10. "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that
the Spirit of God
dwell in you. Now if any man have not
the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you,
the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness."
The Spirit of God the Father = the Spirit of Christ (God the Son) = the Holy Spirit applicable to BOTH Father AND Son = THREE separate Entities in ONE God.
@earsarehearible "the Holy Spirit is God = 1, & not some separate entity but rather God himself. which with Jesus Christ = 2 within the Godhead! not 3"
We have the Entity to whom Jesus referred as His Father, plus Himself, the Son, PLUS Him to which He refers as "the Comforter", "the Spirit of truth", "the Holy Ghost, whom the Father WILL SEND in My name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance ...", all from John 14, some of which are reiterated in Chapter 16.
@earsarehearible "We can see that he Paul did NOT address the Holy Spirit vital to Christian life, as being a separate & apart person & or function, or as a 3rd person like Jesus Christ or like the Father! Why because the Holy Spirit is God!!"
Jesus is God too.
Acts 5:3,4b - "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ... thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God"
(more) Acts 5:7-9, "And it was about the space of three hours after, when his (Ananias') wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.".
Again, the Holy Spirit is a separate and distinct Personality.
(continued) John 14:23 - "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him"
v. 26 - "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you"
John 16:7 - "...if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send HIM unto you"
(continued) "HE will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment"
John 16:13, 14 - "Howbeit when HE, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE will guide you into all truth: for HE shall not speak of HIMSELF; but whatsoever HE shall hear, that shall HE speak: and HE will shew you things to come.
HE shall glorify me: for HE shall receive of mine ..."
Eph. 4:6, "And GRIEVE not the Holy Spirit of God (DEFINITELY separate and distinct!), whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption".
@earsarehearible "life will continue during this 1000 year phase.Note what happens with Satan"
Life continues for the redeemed IN HEAVEN, where they are then unreachable by Satan, since they have already rejected all that he is about. With the living wicked having all been "destroyed with the brightness of his [Jesus'] coming" and no life-supporting elements (2 Thess. 2:8, 2 Pet. 3:10), Satan is thus effectively "bound and chained" for a thousand years, unable to any longer affect humanity.
@earsarehearible "This gathering is in the 1st firmament not the 3rd heaven"
According to John 14:1-3, Jesus promises to come again and receive us unto Himself, "that where I am, there ye may be also". Prior to that He states that He is going to "my Father's house" where there "are many mansions", and where "I go to prepare a place for you".
Obviously by His own words, He intends to take the redeemed to the third heaven where He AND they are to reside for a thousand years before all return here.
@earsarehearible Amen to that, and it can be seen as well that the City doesn't come down until "when the thousand years were finished" and after "Satan shall be loosed out of his prison" to "go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth" comprised of "the rest of the dead" who "lived not again until the thousand years were finished", and lead the final stand of all of history's now-resurrected unrepentant sinners against God's everlasting kingdom IN the New Jerusalem.
By the time of the use of the "fiery furnace", he had come to some semblance of knowledge and respect for the God of Daniel
Absolutely. But, if God had not revealed the person of Jesus Christ to the Partriarch and Prophet as Jesus Christ, He would not have revealed Christ to Kings Luke 10.24
Nebuchadnezzar likely recognized the 4th as God, but not Jesus Christ.
This may be a case where Christian translators "messed" with a Hebrew concept. That is a whole "nuther" subject
@mark0454 "This may be a case where Christian translators "messed" with a Hebrew concept"
Possibly, but with the Son being mentioned to Isaiah, perhaps some of this knowledge had reached some pagans by Daniel's time (not sure of the exact timeline of the Patriarchs). Probably the only way if verifying this passage is to compare the original Hebrew or Aramaic language with the English translation of it.
"in comparison to a super-liberal Jesus in the New."
There is no way to regard Jesus in this manner if you believe in His return from Revelation. He will vanquish all the foes of God, and the Nation of Israel.
By design of God, he came meek and lowly, man of sorrows, stricken with grief. However, as you have pointed out in Isaiah 9, and Rev 19. He will return as King of Kings, and Lord of Lord, and he shall reign for ever and ever.
In declaring it desolate while He was still on earth, plus Jerusalem's literal destruction on 70 A.D., the only "Israel" that matters as of today is His "Spiritual Israel" comprised of all true believers in Christ, no matter their present or past religious persuasion; "all are one in Christ".
Let's wait on getting into Michael, if that is OK. Would you answer this question?
When God spoke to Adam and Eve in Gen 3.15 of the "...seed of the woman....and her seed shall bruise thy head..."
Did Adam and Eve understand that this "seed" was Jesus Christ who was born of a virgin in Bethlehem, died on a cross, was raised in three days and, etc, etc?
This is not a trick question. What was their knowledge of the "seed"?
@mark0454 "This is not a trick question. What was their knowledge of the "seed"?"
It hardly seems possible that they would have such comprehension unless the Gospel was more completely detailed for them. They might well have expected to see this during their own lifespans, with the seed being one of their own children, or within a few generations beyond.
Bethlehem - cross - virgin - raised - almost seems like new fodder for another Bill Cosby Bible review, ala his Noah's Ark recounting, haha!!!
"True, which is the reason for all of the types pointing to Christ the antitype of all of them, in the former temple services which had no validity after He died on the cross, instituting the New Covenant as of the ninth hour of that Friday afternoon."
I could not agree with you more, here.
"it seems that you are comparing "the OT God" and "the NT God" by alluding to the former as a sterner, more arbitrary Entity"
I don't think I have said anything about this. Please explain!
@mark0454 "I don't think I have said anything about this [OT God vs. NT God]. Please explain!"
I concluded that from your statement made last Friday, namely "The risk of the overemphasis on the God of the OT and lack of knowledge of the deity of Christ is a deeper and deeper slide into Judaism. We have both seen it happen with many SDAs".
Many Christians seem to regard the OT God as stern, demanding, arbitrary, and basically a turn-off to them in comparison to a super-liberal Jesus in the New.
@mark0454 "I do not think a pagan, Nebuchadnezzar, could have recognized Jesus Christ when men of God could not"
By the time of the use of the "fiery furnace", he had come to some semblance of knowledge and respect for the God of Daniel and his friends, therefore most likely being open to the promptings of the Holy Spirit in confessing that he had seen the Son of God in that fire. This, however, did not preclude him from later on again acting in unbelief, but served God's purpose for the moment.
@mark0454 "When the Angel of the Lord appeard, no one recognized him as Christ, but deity, no doubt"
He WAS in fact referred to as the Lord, though. We have come to realize and acknowledge SINCE those days that Jesus IS Lord, both of the Old and New Testament ages.
I cannot discount the idea that Jesus may well have been referred to as Michael as well, considering the five passages referencing and defining Him. Nothing states that an archangel needs to be created, as were the subordinate angels.
(3)"Jesus existed BEFORE OT times" Absolutely! Christ is as eternal as the Father and the Spirit,
However, Gal 4.4 But when the fulness of time came, God sent forth His son...God had sent his son as a manifestation of many beings. But not as Jesus Christ.
My point is that those in the OT could not worship what had not been revealed to them. They could believe in the illusion. But we have the fulness of the Godhead bodily, Col 2.9 which is the head of all principalities and powers.
@mark0454 "those in the OT could not worship what had not been revealed to them"
True, which is the reason for all of the types pointing to Christ the antitype of all of them, in the former temple services which had no validity after He died on the cross, instituting the New Covenant as of the ninth hour of that Friday afternoon.
Mark, it seems that you are comparing "the OT God" and "the NT God" by alluding to the former as a sterner, more arbitrary Entity than Jesus was while on earth, but since both are Scripturally stated to be unchanging, the difference would be in man's perceptions of Him, rather than in God Himself, no matter when He is dealing with mankind.
However, during earlier times God DID more definitely manifest the execution of some of His final judgments than now, as a means of validating His authority.
He also delegated some of His authority to His earthly leaders, since it was then an autocratic society, but, likely due to man's overuse of that authority, or unreasonably taking too much upon themselves, came to gradually modify that society into its subsequent more democratic type instead ("Vengeance is mine; I shall repay"), in which He withholds His ultimate judgments until a time of His own choice. Both Father and Son are partnering in this, for all of us, trying to win us over to His side
Good evening Jim. I hope you are well. I believe that for our salvation, we accept, believe and obey our savior Jesus Christ, born in a manger to a virgin, who died on a cross, rose again in 3 days, and is coming again, and is preparing a place for us. Jesus Christ is our God, as is the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Adam, Eve, and the Patriarch only knew an illusion of this savior. Christ was progressively revealed to what you have noted in Isaian 9, but He was yet to come.
The absence, nor the presence of the Comma Johanneum proves nor disproves that Jesus is God (deity). I John 5.6 and v. 8 identify the Father, Son and Spirit without v.7
Important doctrine are not based on one obscure passage. Jesus as God is clearly spelled out in dozens of passages that I have given you. However, you have made it clear that you think the Bible is full of Sh-t, so I am casting my pearls before swine.
@earsarehearible "1000 year reign of Christ Eternal (on this earth)"
FYI, no Scriptural evidence presents a 1,000-year reign on this earth by Christ. With the righteous all being taken from this earth "to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thess. 4:17), and no living humans left upon the face of the earth for the next thousand years, what's the point? As per John 14, Jesus has taken His people to "my Father's house" where "I go to prepare a place for you" "that where I am, there ye may be also".
Intended for ALL of humanity, having been instituted at Creation.
Affirmed as such in Isaiah 56:1-8, in which blessings are promised to the "son[s]of the stranger" who "join himself/themselves to the Lord". "Strangers" of that time were all who were outside the camp of Israel, a.k.a. Gentiles, many of whom comprise today's Christians.
Claimed BY THE LORD to be "my holy day" (Isa. 58:13,14). The Sabbath is the ONLY "Lord's day" documented in Scripture.
As for "today" of Heb. 4, from which some infer a permanent rest in Christ AT THE EXPENSE of honoring His weekly Sabbaths, the phraseology of verse 7 refers to "hearing his [God's] voice" today. and "harden[ing] not [their] hearts", being FOLLOWED UP by verses 8-11, in which reaffirms that NO CHANGE has been made to the original day which was presented to the entire world as its weekly rest day ("there REMAINETH therefore a rest to the people of God") who CEASE from their own works, as did God.
Honestly my friend I don't know what to make of her. I try not to be harsh simply because having been raised a Sunday keeper, I know how hard it is to have to view your childhood Church as being of the devil as well as having to change your lifestyle.
Still, its one thing to have to face all these facts & quite another to deny God's word in order to remain in error.
Its more respectul to admit that their unscriptural practices are due to have been brought up that way
Nope, that is not what I'm saying. I'm trying to find out what you believe because you have been all over the place.
You already know what I believe about Jesus that he is the creator, the almighty, who has been from everlasting to everlasting. Who is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
I'm trying to get your thoughts on who YOU say that he is.
(4) You said: "Is not Christ "the Lord thy God" of the OT"
I will respectfully take extreme umbridge with you, here. If the intent is to place the Church of Jesus Christ into the OT, the answer is Jesus Christ is NOT the God of those in the OT.
If it is to be stated that Jesus Christ is to be transposed into the Commandment 1,2,3, I will partially agree. However, the concept of God, vis-a-vis OT and NT is different. OT was not expected to accept the full manifestation of Christ
@mark0454 "If the intent is to place the Church of Jesus Christ into the OT, the answer is Jesus Christ is NOT the God of those in the OT"
"Church of Jesus Christ:" - simply the progression from Judaism into Christianity.
Jesus existed BEFORE OT times (Jn. 17:5, " ... Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was"; 5:37 "... the Father himself ... hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape").
@jkw733 "the concept of God, vis-a-vis OT and NT is different. OT was not expected to accept the full manifestation of Christ"
True, in His prior appearances in the form of a man, He was referred to as "the angel of the Lord", although willingly understood by many of them (Abram/Abraham, Lot, Jacob/Israel, Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, etal.), along with Adam and Eve, that they had met God Himself.
Did He not plead with His subjects THEN AS LATER IN NT TIMES, to change their ways?
(3) I am, in no way, stating that Jesus Christ is not just as eternal as God the Father or the Holy Spirit. However, had God intended for us to understand that God, manifested in the Person of Jesus Christ was the OT realization of deity, I think He would have framed scripture accordingly.
That we may, with the knowledge that we have of NT scripture looking back, recognize appearances of Christ in a preincarnate form, does not give us permission to state that God in the OT was Jesus of the NT
@mark0454 "appearances of Christ in a preincarnate form, does not give us permission to state that God in the OT was Jesus of the NT"
Isa. 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given ... his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
The mighty God,
The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace"
Dan. 3:25 "He {Nebuchadnezzar] answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God"
(2)Jesus Christ was not fully illuminated in the OT. Although some appearances in the OT may have been the preincarnate Christ, I do not think it can be said that the Bible intends to communicate that Jesus Christ walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden.
Nor can one say that the Holy Spirt died on the Cross. Each Person of the Godhead (Trinity) should be recognized for what they have done.
The prophets recognized God speaking to them. The Bible does not say that Jesus Christ spoke to them
I am not trying to complicate the three person (Trinity) deity. Whatever you may call it. However, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost have distinct manifestations of whom they appear throughout the Bible.
It would not be incorrect to say that God performed all of the functions of deity.
@earsarehearible Good morning Kiwi Boy. I hope you are well. Unless you just enjoy writing and reading you own rantings, I can not understand your problem with what I believe. I do not know where you get this LAWLESSNESS thing.
I have explained to you over and over, I believe in obedience to all the commandments given to Christians. The Bible is very explicit on this.
Would you like for me to point out some more of YOUR LAWLESSNESS?
@mark0454 Your reference to "commandments given to Christians" can in no way exclude any of the Ten Commandments of Exodus 20, since, as is pointed out therein AND claimed by Christians to be the case, they are intended to apply to "thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments" (v. 6; Deut. 6:5 and elsewhere in Deut. as well; Matt. 22:35-40; Mark 12:29-31; Luke 10:27; John 14:15)).
Thus our ever-unchanging Lord's rules for those who love Him never change either; nor allow exemptions.
(2)The risk of the overemphasis on the God of the OT and lack of knowledge of the deity of Christ is a deeper and deeper slide into Judaism. We have both seen it happen with many SDAs.
The next step is the Sacred Name, then Hebrew Roots movements. The final result is studying The Torah, feast days and Hebrew more than the Gospels, then Paul denying to the point of PaulGem123.
At some point, you are embracing another Gospel. There is no salvation without acknowledging the deity of Christ.
@mark0454 Think a minute. Was it NOT Christ who was inside the burning bush speaking to Moses? Is not Christ "the Lord thy God" of the OT? Did He not come to visit with Abraham and Lot, or walk in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, as their CREATOR? Was He not the manifestation of His Father to ALL of the OT prophets including Isaiah, to whom He specifically referenced the Sabbath as "my holy day? Did He not share God's glory with Him "before the world was" (John 17:5)?
Hebrews 4:4-5 For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in these words: And on the seventh day God rested from all His work. AND AGAIN IN THE PASSAGE ABOVE (the passage about the 7nth day Mark0454) He says, "They shall never enter my rest"
Mark0454, we see here in Hebrews 4:4-5 that Paul says the salvation REST entered only by faith in the person & work of Christ is spoken IN THE SAME PASSAGE where the Shabbat rest of the 7nth day is spoken.
While the seventh day rest was also mentioned in the passage that is not the focus of the chapter. The very next verse speaks of the day it is referring to, calling that day Today:) Today we can enter rest if we have faith and believe. If you don't believe, you don't enter his rest because of the failure to allow christ to make you complete.
All the mention of the seventh day means is that the resting place has been available since the beginning because God rested there.
People seem to see the term seventh day and think that it was speaking of the seventh day rest, despite the fact it mentions that "Today" is the day like 5 times. It was just posted as a reminder that the place where God rested, and the place that Christ raises you up to when he makes you complete in him has been available since that first seventh day because God rested.
now when you come to Christ, that very day, he makes you complete in him and raises you up to God's resting place.
The place that was closed to you until christ came, which was signified by the priest only being allowed to enter the Most Holy Place once a year.
Now, the day you believe, you can enter in. He doesn't wait until the seventh day to enter you in. Re-read chapter 3 and 4. I assure you the focus isn't the seventh day sabbath, but today.
The seventh day and all the things in the past were given because the true realities hadn't yet come. The whole temple service, all the feast days, the sacrifices, everything was not the actual reality. People are making the seventh day sabbath into the reality when it was never meant to be.
@Myhopeisinhim "People are making the seventh day sabbath into the reality when it was never meant to be"
WHAT ARE YOU IMPLYING???
"The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God" has EXACTLY as much veracity as "You will have no other gods before Me", "You will not kill", "You will not steal", "you will not make any graven images", nor bow before them in worship, "You will not covet", You will not commit adultery", "Honor your [parents]', AND "You will not be a false witness about others".
And the passover is the passover of the Lord? Do you celebrate the passover exactly as the disciples did? But is the passover lamb the reality? or is Jesus the reality of the passover lamb?
if people understood this then they wouldn't condemn those who accept the reality and choose to abide in the reality. The shadow was fine and glorious in it's time, but it becomes overshadowed by the reality once the reality comes. If you accept the reality then you ARE accepting that which was required by God to enter into his presence.
This is why salvation is based on faith and not works. If you accept him who is the reality, the law becomes fulfilled in you, not according to your works....
This is why I can't condemn you for wanting to rest on the day you pick, or vice versa. Salvation is given one way and one way alone, through Christ and his shed blood. You accept him, you've found the answer for he gives you his righteousness through no works of your own.
@Myhopeisinhim "If you accept him who is the reality, the law becomes fulfilled in you, not according to your works"
Nice point!
NOW, considering that JESUS is our Guide in life, who set the New Covenant into motion at the exact INSTANT of His death, as evidenced by the IMMEDIATE tearing of the temple veil into the Most Holy Place, from TOP TO BOTTOM, please take a moment to expound on ANY VALUE WHATSOEVER of honoring ANY day other than the Sabbath, as having ANY holy significance AT ALL???
@jkw733 Pat, you might keep in mind Gal. 3:15 while you're at it; "Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed
[BY THE SHED BLOOD OF CHRIST, and NOT EVER by His resurrection!],
What do you believe the tearing of the veil symbolized? You mentioned that you believe it symbolized the initiating of the new covenant into motion. But why was it torn? what was the symbolism of it? What did the temple veil represent?
@Myhopeisinhim The veil separated the sanctuary's Holy Place from the Most Holy where God dwelt, being accessible only annually by the high priest on the Day of Atonement, after he had not only atoned all year long for the sins of the people, but on that day for himself as well.
Christ's death signified by the tearing asunder of the veil announced the end of the need for priestly temple services on earth, since His Covenant-RATIFYING (SEALING) shed blood now provides direct access to His Father.
@Myhopeisinhim "salvation is based on faith and not works"
Having FAITH in God involves DOING THINGS HIS WAY, instead of ANY other way, since He does NOT instruct His people incorrectly.
He has NEVER placed any special blessing on ANY OTHER day of the week than the SEVENTH; for ANYONE to EVER have done so is to make HIM/HER/THEM all dependent on HIS/HER/THEIR OWN works in a FRUITLESS attempt to honor God/Christ, whom He says is thereby WORSHIPED IN VAIN, when men's commandments are followed.
Isn't it interesting about the special blessings of the Sabbath. So are these people saying that God wants only the Jews to claim the promise of riding on the high places of the earth? I wonder why the Jews are said to be so successful in life. Could it be that they claim Isaiah 58:14 blessings & Christians are missing on it?
You wrote "While the seventh day rest was also mentioned in the passage in Heb 4:4, it is not the focus of the chapter"
You couldn't be more wrong. The seventh day that the writer says God spoke of it somewhere, is very much the FOCUS of the chapter.
Notice Hebrews 4:2 tells us that the Jews did not combine the gospel with faith. They had the commandments including the 7nth day rest, but failed to keep them because they did COMBINE it with faith
My apologies, but I'm afraid I have to respectfully disagree. we're told quite specifically that the day that he picked, the certain day that was chosen was "today" Hebrews 4:7. The word today was spoken at least 4-5 times in chapters 3 and 4. And it is always in the context of believing. If you believe,, you can enter into rest.
What day do we enter God's resting place, his most holy place?
See this is ALWAYS your problem. You JUMP to other Scriptures instead of discussing the FOUNDATIONAL ones first. You do that when discussing the 2 covenants in 2 Cor 3:3. You JUMP to 2 Cor 3:7 & start claiming that the 10 comms are the ministry of death instead of focusing on 2 Cor 3:3 which is the FOUNDATION of the whole discussion.
WHY JUMP to Heb 4:7 INSTEAD of discussing the FOUNDATION of the discussion on the rest? WHY not focus on Hebrews 4:1-5 FIRST?
Failing to see where the discussion of the salvation rest in Christ ORIGINATES from is the reason why you have failed to understand the LINK between the 2, the salvation rest & the physical rest of the seventh day Shabbat.
Just FOCUS on WHERE the BEGINNING discussion of the salvation rest is before JUMPING around & running away with a semi understanding.
What does "in the passage above" mean to you in Hebrews 4:5? Does it not mean that "in the same place" where God is commanding us to keep the seventh day Shabbat, He is ALSO commanding us to enter into the salvation rest?
The keyword in Hebrew 4 is COMBINE. There was/is nothing wrong with the Law of the 10 commandments that the Jews were given. It was their failure to COMBINE Law keeping with faith, the Spiritual rest that is INEXTRICABLY LINKED to the physical rest of the 7nth day Shabbat.
I can't believe there is even an argument over such clear statement as the words used in Hebrews 4:5 "AND IN THAT PASSAGE AGAIN" in reference to the salvation rest & the 7nth day test
(6)You asked: "Why is Christ made subject to God?"
You don't read your Bible much, or go to church, do you? Christ was not "made" to be subject to God. Phil 2.6-11 Because He loved us so much, He humbled himself and became obedient unto the death of the Cross.
God manifests himself in many forms, a cloud, an angel, fire, a still small voice, the Holy Spirit, and in the man Jesus. They are no less God.
Repent, Zac. You are like a hoon, full tit on a highway to Hell.
I remember once when a jehovah's witness came to our door, and I wanted to talk about who Jesus was. Their response to me was: "What is so important about who Jesus is". People have focused so much on deeds, and not enough on Christ these days. They forget that belief in who Jesus is is imperative or else you will die in your sins.
@Myhopeisinhim Good evening Myhope. I hope you are well. It is unfortunate, but many denomination over emphasize one to the detriment of the another. To some, as in charismatics, it is the spirit of God, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of God. To Calvinist, it is the sovereign God. Some Baptist over emphasize Jesus.
The Father, Son and Holy Ghost all are integral to our salvation, and our walk with God. Only through the study of scripture that we fully understand the proper roles of each.
(5)Be it know to all that Zac Kiwi Boy states that reading the Bible is a waste of his time. I sent him about 50 scripture verses that illuminate the deity and attributes of Christ.
His answer: My scripture was full of Sh--! Well, that about says it all. It seems that whenever someone declares the deity of Christ, it throws Ole Zac into a fit of fury. Kind of like showing a Cross to a vampire.
(3) You asked: " Who is on the Throne & who receives the scrolls?"
Although, i feel like I am casting my pearls before swine, I will answer this question, although, the answer is obvious.
God, the father in on the throne.
Christ, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Root of Jesse, the Son of Man, the Ancient of Days, who is given glory, a kingdom of all nations, which will never be destroyed, an everlasting dominion which will not pass away is given the book.
(4) You asked Myhope to ask me "A Priest has just finished raping someones child.'
You must be randy or something. This is all you talk about. I will not humor your perversion with an answer. I have told you already. This was a very common practice in the Temple at the time, and Christ did not mention it.
But, Christ did mention this, and I will ask you. The woman who was caught in adultery, had she been brought back later that day with the SAME accusation, what would Christ have done?
(2)Now, Kiwi Boy. Let's look at your track record. You have had 5 channels in 3 months, marvalmak, Zacmarvalmak, eyesareseeable, earsarehearable, wyhopeinvain.
You have found it necessary to completely hide your identity on at least 2 of your channel so you can not be blocked. I have not read a single comment that agrees with you, even amoung SDAs. You have even insulted them.
You have a bad case of "I am right and everyone else is wrong"
@earsarehearible Good afternoon, Youngster. You wrote to Myhope:
"it is already happening now, the many sites you are visiting people are avoiding you simply because they desire not to tread where fools tread."
That is an interesting observation. Now let's check it's accuracy. Myhope has been around over 2 years. She has the same channel and channel name. Although many disagree vehemently, she is welcomed on all but a few channels, where she finds cordial and respectful dialog.
2. There is a created Jesus, who is one of many gods
3. There is the creator, Jesus, who is the Christ the son of the living God. The Jesus whom the bible calls Almighty God. The one who came to earth in the flesh and died on the cross shedding his blood for our sin, and rising again the third day. This same Jesus will return someday.
Have you met Jesus at the cross and allowed him to cleanse you by his blood? Have you accepted him and his work as the means of salvation? Have you accepted him as your savior?
The blood of Jesus Christ his son cleanseth us from all sin. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life
Do you believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God? The Word who created all things that became flesh and dwelt amongst us? Do you believe that Jesus lived on this earth and took your sins in his own body and died on the cross for your sins? Have you accepted work?
Have you me Jesus at the cross and allowed him to cleanse you? Have you turned to Jesus and surrender your soul to him? Have you accepted his blood as your atonement?
Did you know that the blood of Jesus is your only plea? It is the only thing that will allow you to enter the presence of God. It is the only thing that you can take in with you. Are you covered in the blood of the lamb, my good friend?
Jesus is the lamb who approached the Father. I ask you though, whose your Savior? Have you trusted in Jesus yet? Have you met him at the foot of the cross and allowed him to save you?
Or are you who you showed to be on another channel?
This is where people misunderstand the trinity. They don't see how they can be the same God, and yet not be the same person. They are looking at God through man's understanding, but God's ways are not our ways. His thoughts are not our thoughts.
While we may not understand something, that doesn't mean it's not true.
Have you trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior? The creator of heaven and earth? Do you believe that he took your sin in his own body on the tree? That he shed his blood for your sins and rose again the third day?
Don't miss the symbolism in why it wasn't mentioned. There is much that one misses in the creation. I've met many people who don't see the shadows of Christ in the creation simply because they don't believe that shadows existed before sin.
I clearly referred to Gen 1, maybe you should read it and understand what it says and means! Its ok if you don't and are truly lost by man's word and traditions instead if GOD's. God clearly tells us the solar first day, too bad you can't see that! Once again, yawn, I ask you or anyone to refer to book and verse, other than Gen 1 when the first day is, you can't and wont because it doesn't exists in God's word only in man's tradition. have a nice day.
Gen 1:5 states "And the evening and the morning were the first day", correct?
Gen 1:8, 13, 19, 23, and 31 add similar information for Creation Days 2 through 6, and then Chapter 2 begins by defining Day 7 as the day which God blessed and sanctified because "He had rested [on that day] from all His work which He had made".
Therefore, each day begins at the sunset/evening, and lasts through the daylight hours until the following sunset/evening ... the "solar" first WEEK being Days 1 through 7.
@jkw733 Yes correct, Its all there in black and white for those who can read and understand. Gen 1:4 tells mankind when the first day is. No other place in the Bible does God have to repeat himself nor does he need to. One must know God's true first day in order to know the seventh. See for yourself. Don't go with what "man" or a church says go with what GOD himself says and tells us clearly in Gen 1:4 about the first day.
Gen 1:4 doesn't mention the first day at all, but merely states that God divided the light from the darkness. The first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and by natural extension the SEVENTH days ALL consist of "the evening(s) and the morning(s); dark part first, bright part last. "yawn,"
@jkw733 Ugh, please open your eyes and read and understand, Gen 4 and 5 tells us when the first day is. Nigh and day are equal on the first day. What part don't you understand? very sad, its right there for all to see if they open their eyes. 4 and 5 say nothing about any other day, you are sleeping my friend.
@saldathief "Nigh and day are equal on the first day. What part don't you understand?"
Nothing in Genesis says that they are "equal on the first day". The various "evening"s and "morning"s denoting each of the first six days are respectively itemized in verses 5, 8, 13, 19, 23, and 31, with the seventh day, which is naturally ANOTHER progression of evening followed by morning, being brought out in Chapter 2. THAT, sir, constituted the first WEEK; seven days long.
@jkw733 What part of divided don't you understand? 1st grade math class, divided means make 2 parts equal. And God divided the light from the darkness, he made day and night equal on the first day. Are you really that hard headed not to see it? Its not there as a coincidence.
@saldathief As you wrote, "God divided the light from the darkness". BUT since the Bibles states that the evening AND the morning comprised the first and all subsequent days, we're looking at TWENTY-FOUR-hour periods rather than only twelve for ANY day; a DAY is both EVENING AND MORNING, a.k.a. darkness and daylight.
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@earsarehearible
"You have confessed idolatry to me"
Give me date, channel, and my exact quote or shut up.
mark0454 5 months ago
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@earsarehearible I am glad that you started your campaign to expose me with Jim. Jim and I have been conversing for years. He and I disagree vehemently on some matters of theology.
However, Jim is the consumate gentleman and graciously puts up with my banter. Jim is a good example of someone who disagrees, but is always respectful. You should imulate him.
So, make your best shot, there Zac Boy. Tell him of my idolatry and lies. But first you have to find them. He's waiting.
mark0454 5 months ago
Do you mind telling me what you have exposed? Have I missed some comments, somewhere? What is the truth that you have spoken of.
You have given me, finally one verse from Isaiah that had nothing to do with the subject And one verse from Revelation that was just out of the blue.
Were you trying to make some neferious point with these two verses?
mark0454 5 months ago
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I've found that one may make more sense out of a martian then that of a politician.
I'd say they speak your language. "So i only called to say hello my friend not hear your rantings" You speak Martian? Great. You should go visit.
MJontherox 6 months ago
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"head back to the playground, this is an adults venue. Did you figure out where that chip got to?"
The one that you rejected, and dogmatically declared
"Heres a hint for you, you preach Jesus then give up on your fantasy technology crap."
Can't get it?
"I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands.
Your earsarehorrible!
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"No i placed the i there on purpose, that way when i get banned again from someones channel i can put the a there with my new name & still have the same name! Simpl." earsarehorrible 1 week ago
"It certainly proves your dishonour. Even you are expecting failure from yourself. That doesn't say much does it?" MJ
Just a never-ending circus.
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@earsarehearible
"That is fine jono, i figured that saying hello to you would irk you, & upset your friends"
That might be in your world, but in reality, you don't irk... you entertain. You harm others with your ignorance, but not me. Because you move from a spam button to the thumbs down button shows just how vain you are.
So just to REMIND YOU, what this channel's author thinks of the situation and what you actually GOT in that brain of yours...
MJontherox 6 months ago
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"Hi there you don't know me but i have had to change my name again (Gosh!How'd that happen?!). You said i was'nt level headed, but that is ok."
Is it? Really?
"Amazing how the shoe is on the other foot aye idiot!!!" Spakman
"I find it almost beyond belief that you'd be able to put the shoe on the other foot when it spends so much time in your mouth..." -MJ
We'll let you know when the situation changes... With that foot in the way, you'll be dribbling out of both sides of your mouth XD
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@earsarehearible "This statement you make; don't you realise that. Is totally false. "
"No my friend, don't you know that i love you."
You've got a strange way of showing it... Namely because you don't.
MJontherox 6 months ago
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@earsarehearible You're the one making his words disappear, by using the spam button ignoramus.
Go back to school.
MJontherox 6 months ago
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@earsarehearible You honour him with empty words, because you see it fit to spam his words, cad.
So because he is all knowing, then your lies and idolatry of self is showing through. I mean... you're giving your own comments the thumbs up? What a lamer.
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@earsarehearible
Can you share with me your understanding of the Godhead? you mentioned that you believe the Father is the holy Spirit (please correct me if i misunderstood what you said), then you said Jesus is the second person of the Godhead.
What is his nature? Is he God by nature, angel by nature? what are your thoughts?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Can God see what is in your heart? or does he only know by what you do in the flesh?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
There is definitely a huge apostasy that has arisen, and even a greater one still yet to come, and for those who do not stick closely to the bible will be the first to accept those apostasy teachings
The world has already been primed to accept visions, and dreams, from prophets over the last few hundred years, when the antichrist appears it will be easy for them to accept because they've already drifted from the word of God
They trust visions over the word. Turn to the bible
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
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@earsarehearible
So its okay for them to believe in the Godhead, and believe that Jesus is God, but not okay for others? This is why I have come to understand that it is not because of doctrines you come against me, or else you'd think they were lost to based on the same teachings.
Thus this isn't about doctrines, there is something inside you that hates me, and hates the fact I dwell on Christ and his blood. You need Jesus my good friend, please turn to him.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
What are your thoughts on how adventists believe the trinity? I thought you thought it was a deception?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
Passing through the veil signifies passing through him.. Going through him which gives you access to the Father.
What are your thoughts on this?
No man cometh unto the father except THROUGH me. He's the veil...not some physical piece of cloth that stood in the earthly tabernacle.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
Don't you realize that this is why God can dwell within us now and we become his temple? Your sin has been dealt with and you have been set free because Christ who is the veil has come so that you might pass through him and be saved, and receive the righteousness of God through him.
This is why you have his presence dwelling IN you. You have become a sanctified people.
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@jkw733
who told you that you can't enter his presence yet? You already have the righteousness of Christ. The bible has told you that now you can boldly come before the throne in the presence of God.
In fact Jesus himself has raised you up to sit with him in heavenly places. He has perfected you in the Fathers sight.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@jkw733
I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but. What else does the veil symbolize in the scriptures.
There is an answer that has yet to be given. One that presents an angle often ignored.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Are you referring to Christ's flesh, as in Heb. 10:19-22, or still something else?
"Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
And having an high priest over the house of God;
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water".
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"having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water"
This action of Jesus upon the believer validates the fact that it IS possible through Him to NOT yield to the temptations of the flesh that so continually beset us; we are CLEAN.
Therefore, if we in fact DO yield to Satan's impulses to be sinful rather than righteous as Christ has made us, EITHER we confess and repent in order to be cleansed yet AGAIN, or we choose to continue in sin and be FILTHY again.
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Bingo:) The veil that separated the Most Holy Place from the holy place represented Christ in the flesh. Jesus himself. Until Christ entered the flesh and prepared the way for us, we could not enter the Most Holy place. The presence of the living God.
The tearing of the veil symbolized that his flesh being broken for our sin opened and prepared the way so that we might enter God's presence. No longer would there be a barrier between us and his presence.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
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It has nothing to do with an actual physical veil in heaven, just like there isn't an actual physical golden jar of manna in heaven. These things represented Jesus Christ. The way the temple was set up represented the situation between man and God.
The two rooms with the veil separating the presence of God showed us that we were separated from him because of our sin, and until that veil came down, opening the way, we could not yet enter in.
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The priest going through the veil every year signified the way into the presence of God, through the flesh of Christ with the blood. Remember Jesus said, "except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
The priest past through the flesh with the blood to enter the presence of God. This signifies how we find salvation in him. It's a two fold teaching. It's not about a literal veil in heaven, but how we can enter the presence of God through jesus.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
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How Jesus IS the veil we must pass through. And unless you pass through him, you cannot enter the presence of God.
Make no mistake, the literal veil is Jesus. It's not some cloth piece hanging between two rooms in heaven. And because he died, and paid our price, the way into God's presence has been made. Nothing to do with 1844 either.
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It's because of Jesus we can enter heaven.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim "the veil separating ... showed us that we were separated from him because of our sin, and until that veil came down, opening the way, we could not yet enter in"
Since, and as long as, Jesus still intercedes as our High Priest, we are STILL unable to pass through the veil ourselves and come directly into His Father's presence. This will be the case as long as sins are still being brought to Christ for forgiveness; once this ceases, He can THEN leave the temple and come for us.
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@jkw733
you are correct that it showed that we now have direct access into God's presence.
I want to touch on the above comment because your answer directly refutes the 1844 doctrine; but before I touch on that I'd like to dig deeper.
What else does the veil symbolize?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim "showed that we now have direct access into God's presence"
Keep THIS in mind: NONE other than the priest himself was allowed access INTO the temple, but only into the courtyard where they brought their sacrifices TO the priest.
As OUR High Priest, Jesus, our only means of access to His Father as our Intercessor, is STILL the only One authorized to go there alone.
In heaven, the veil STILL separates both compartments of THAT Sanctuary, presently in its cleansing (atoning) process.
jkw733 6 months ago 2
@Myhopeisinhim "your answer directly refutes the 1844 doctrine"
The ONLY "1844 doctrine" I'm aware of is Dan. 8:14's mention of the (heavenly) sanctuary being cleansed after the 2,300-day(year) time period expires.
The earthly sanctuary has been non-existent since 70 A.D., having been declared desolate decades earlier by Jesus, leaving the one in heaven as the ONLY one needing to undergo the Day of Atonement process, and be cleansed of all forgiven sins brought there by Christ our High Priest.
jkw733 6 months ago 10
@earsarehearible
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Whose Spirit do you have?
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This will be my last post on here to you specifically. I pray that you have found life in the Son of God, who is the Christ, who came from heaven to earth and died on the cross, shedding his blood for your sin, and rose again the third day. All who believe in who he is, in what he did, that he did it for them, and that he can do what he promised will be saved.
I pray that you have humbled yourself at the feet of Christ at his cross, and accepted his blood as payment for your sin
God bless.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
You said: is in the promise that God will dwell in us
What are your thoughts on how the bible says that the "Spirit of Christ" is the one who dwells in us?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
I'm also curious to hear your thoughts on Matthew 28:19 in regards to the fact that there are three persons mentioned, separate and distinct.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
I noticed you do not accept the verse in john that speaks of three bearing witness in heaven, but here is another verse, spoken by Jesus himself:
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Decide this day whether or not you will believe the word of God.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible An idol is either a self-centered goal place above all else, or a visible, touchable object usually in front of the worshiper, as I see it. I have heard prayers directed to all three Persons of the Godhead, even in the same prayer a lot of the time, and thought nothing of it.
jkw733 6 months ago
@earsarehearible "doe's that mean God is one Spirit & the Holy Spirit another Spirit???"
When you refer to God, that is ALL of His separate Personnae. It might be easier to comprehend your postings more properly if you would call the Father the Father, the Son the Son, and the Spirit the Spirit (or Holy Spirit.), considering that ALL comprise God who is Spirit, No?
Jesus referred to, and was subject to, the complete will of His Father, while here on earth with us, and NOW comes to us VIA the HS
jkw733 6 months ago
@earsarehearible "subject to God His Father, & WILL hand back ALL authority of Gods Kingdom to God the Father"
It seems that the Father and Son have been, and presently ARE, SHARING all authority with one another, as well as with the Holy Spirit, if Jesus' departing words of Matt. 28:18 are of any significance whatsoever: "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth".
jkw733 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
What I understand is that you don't believe Jesus is the creator, despite (Colossians 1:16, and John 1). You are also denying Jesus being God, despite numerous verses being given to you. This shows me that you do not accept the word of God.
I must also remind you that the wrong Jesus cannot save. If you deny the word which he gave, then whose doctrines are you believing? It certainly isn't the bible.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
God the Father sent the Son, who is the same nature as the Father, to this earth, and he lowered himself below the angels for the suffering of death. No one is saying that Jesus is God the Father, the Father sent him. There are some who believe in what is called "oneness" those people believe there is no trinity, they believe it's just Jesus himself.
You are confusing the teaching of the trinity with oneness teaching.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
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Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
You keep saying "us" who is us? You aren't adventist, you aren't jehovah witness, you aren't mormon, you aren't pentacostal. Who is the us you speak for?
Are you a critic of the bible? Do you even really trust that the bible is the word of God?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
I'm still trying to see what you believe about who Jesus is. You don't believe he is God, you don't believe he is the creator. Exactly who do you believe he is, and where do you believe he came from?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible How many OTHER people of your acquaintance hold to a 2-part Godhead? To the best of my knowledge you are the ONLY one promoting this? Even Genesis 1 separates God from the Holy Spirit who is said to then have "moved upon the face of the waters".
Also note Rev. 2 and 3, CHRIST's words to the seven churches, in which He concludes each one with "let him hear what THE SPIRIT saith to the churches", thus equating HIMSELF with the Holy Spirit.
jkw733 6 months ago
Alright class, are you listening. Zac leave jkw733 alone and pay attention.
jkw733 Jim) did the work for us. He gave us isaiah 9.6
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given...and his name shall be Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
Ergo, the Son is God, the Father.
If...The Holy Spirit = God...and...God = The Son...then...The Holy Spirit is the Son!!
Ah Zac...You get a Big A and a star, if you accept this truth!
mark0454 6 months ago
@earsarehearible Good aftrernoon earsarehearible. I hope you are well. You wrote:
"The Holy Spirit = God = 2 = Godhead!"
I see you like the algabraic approach. You remember 7th grade algebra. Although with me is was more like 12th grade algebra. I was a little slow. You remember this proof:
If A = B and B = C then A = C Remember that.
Well, you have stated that A = B i.e. The Holy Spirit = God. Well if we can prove that Jesus = God, then we will prove that Christ = Holy Spiri
mark0454 6 months ago
@earsarehearible "It can get no clearer then God Himself saying that He alone will dwell in us!"
Jesus ALSO made that promise. He returned to heaven with a glorified body similar to that which He occupied when here with man; visible, touchable, able to ingest food, as was proven to the apostles, especially Thomas.
That said, His promise of the Comforter in John 14:17 & 18 is "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you", and v.23, "WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode WITH him".
jkw733 6 months ago
Since Jesus is to return from heaven "as ye have seen Him go unto heaven" (Acts 1:11), He still has His glorified body, absent which, during the interim, he can fulfill His promise to come to us ONLY by the very same Spirit which He SHARES with His Father; the THIRD Person of the TRIUNE Godhead.
Certainly Scripture makes no mention of the much-later-fabricated word "Trinity", but the three-part concept of God remains, or Christ is NOT God and the Holy Spirit IS, if He is only a 2-part Godhead.
jkw733 6 months ago
2) "It can get no clearer then God Himself saying that He alone will dwell in us!"
Paul also makes mention of "CHRIST in you, the hope of glory" and other references where Christ, or the Spirit of Christ, indwells us. I believe Paul has presented a more accurate concept of the three-part Godhead than you, sir, are trying to do by reducing it to two, and standing by that as "fact" contrary to Scripture.
jkw733 6 months ago
Rom. 8:8-10. "So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that
the Spirit of God
dwell in you. Now if any man have not
the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you,
the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness."
The Spirit of God the Father = the Spirit of Christ (God the Son) = the Holy Spirit applicable to BOTH Father AND Son = THREE separate Entities in ONE God.
jkw733 6 months ago
@earsarehearible "the Holy Spirit is God = 1, & not some separate entity but rather God himself. which with Jesus Christ = 2 within the Godhead! not 3"
We have the Entity to whom Jesus referred as His Father, plus Himself, the Son, PLUS Him to which He refers as "the Comforter", "the Spirit of truth", "the Holy Ghost, whom the Father WILL SEND in My name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance ...", all from John 14, some of which are reiterated in Chapter 16.
jkw733 6 months ago
It is just about 4:15 AM in these parts, and I'm REALLY late for bed, so I'm off for the night/morning. God bless!
jkw733 6 months ago
@earsarehearible "We can see that he Paul did NOT address the Holy Spirit vital to Christian life, as being a separate & apart person & or function, or as a 3rd person like Jesus Christ or like the Father! Why because the Holy Spirit is God!!"
Jesus is God too.
Acts 5:3,4b - "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ... thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God"
God =the Holy Spirit + the Father + the Son
jkw733 6 months ago
(more) Acts 5:7-9, "And it was about the space of three hours after, when his (Ananias') wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.".
Again, the Holy Spirit is a separate and distinct Personality.
jkw733 6 months ago
@earsarehearible "NONE of the books of the NT .... [link] the H/S with the Father & Christ as a separate & distinct Personality"
However, Jesus Himself has settled that matter in His teachings ABOUT the Holy Spirit in John 14 and 16;
14:16, 17a - "I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that HE may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth"
17b - "ye know HIM; for HE dwelleth with you, and shall be in you"
MANY references to the Holy Spirit state "he" and
'him"
jkw733 6 months ago
(continued) John 14:23 - "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode with him"
v. 26 - "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you"
John 16:7 - "...if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send HIM unto you"
v. 8 - "And when HE is come (more)
jkw733 6 months ago
(continued) "HE will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment"
John 16:13, 14 - "Howbeit when HE, the Spirit of truth, is come, HE will guide you into all truth: for HE shall not speak of HIMSELF; but whatsoever HE shall hear, that shall HE speak: and HE will shew you things to come.
HE shall glorify me: for HE shall receive of mine ..."
Eph. 4:6, "And GRIEVE not the Holy Spirit of God (DEFINITELY separate and distinct!), whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption".
jkw733 6 months ago
@earsarehearible "You can read Rev19 through to 21 to get the gist of what Paul is referring to"
Paul had nothing to do with the book of Revelation. John put it into writing on the isle of Patmos during his banishment.
jkw733 6 months ago
@earsarehearible "life will continue during this 1000 year phase.Note what happens with Satan"
Life continues for the redeemed IN HEAVEN, where they are then unreachable by Satan, since they have already rejected all that he is about. With the living wicked having all been "destroyed with the brightness of his [Jesus'] coming" and no life-supporting elements (2 Thess. 2:8, 2 Pet. 3:10), Satan is thus effectively "bound and chained" for a thousand years, unable to any longer affect humanity.
jkw733 6 months ago
@earsarehearible "This gathering is in the 1st firmament not the 3rd heaven"
According to John 14:1-3, Jesus promises to come again and receive us unto Himself, "that where I am, there ye may be also". Prior to that He states that He is going to "my Father's house" where there "are many mansions", and where "I go to prepare a place for you".
Obviously by His own words, He intends to take the redeemed to the third heaven where He AND they are to reside for a thousand years before all return here.
jkw733 6 months ago
@earsarehearible Amen to that, and it can be seen as well that the City doesn't come down until "when the thousand years were finished" and after "Satan shall be loosed out of his prison" to "go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth" comprised of "the rest of the dead" who "lived not again until the thousand years were finished", and lead the final stand of all of history's now-resurrected unrepentant sinners against God's everlasting kingdom IN the New Jerusalem.
jkw733 6 months ago
By the time of the use of the "fiery furnace", he had come to some semblance of knowledge and respect for the God of Daniel
Absolutely. But, if God had not revealed the person of Jesus Christ to the Partriarch and Prophet as Jesus Christ, He would not have revealed Christ to Kings Luke 10.24
Nebuchadnezzar likely recognized the 4th as God, but not Jesus Christ.
This may be a case where Christian translators "messed" with a Hebrew concept. That is a whole "nuther" subject
mark0454 6 months ago
@mark0454 "This may be a case where Christian translators "messed" with a Hebrew concept"
Possibly, but with the Son being mentioned to Isaiah, perhaps some of this knowledge had reached some pagans by Daniel's time (not sure of the exact timeline of the Patriarchs). Probably the only way if verifying this passage is to compare the original Hebrew or Aramaic language with the English translation of it.
jkw733 6 months ago
"in comparison to a super-liberal Jesus in the New."
There is no way to regard Jesus in this manner if you believe in His return from Revelation. He will vanquish all the foes of God, and the Nation of Israel.
By design of God, he came meek and lowly, man of sorrows, stricken with grief. However, as you have pointed out in Isaiah 9, and Rev 19. He will return as King of Kings, and Lord of Lord, and he shall reign for ever and ever.
mark0454 6 months ago
@mark0454 AMEN!!!!!!
jkw733 6 months ago
"and the Nation of Israel"
In declaring it desolate while He was still on earth, plus Jerusalem's literal destruction on 70 A.D., the only "Israel" that matters as of today is His "Spiritual Israel" comprised of all true believers in Christ, no matter their present or past religious persuasion; "all are one in Christ".
jkw733 6 months ago
Let's wait on getting into Michael, if that is OK. Would you answer this question?
When God spoke to Adam and Eve in Gen 3.15 of the "...seed of the woman....and her seed shall bruise thy head..."
Did Adam and Eve understand that this "seed" was Jesus Christ who was born of a virgin in Bethlehem, died on a cross, was raised in three days and, etc, etc?
This is not a trick question. What was their knowledge of the "seed"?
mark0454 6 months ago
@mark0454 "This is not a trick question. What was their knowledge of the "seed"?"
It hardly seems possible that they would have such comprehension unless the Gospel was more completely detailed for them. They might well have expected to see this during their own lifespans, with the seed being one of their own children, or within a few generations beyond.
Bethlehem - cross - virgin - raised - almost seems like new fodder for another Bill Cosby Bible review, ala his Noah's Ark recounting, haha!!!
jkw733 6 months ago
"True, which is the reason for all of the types pointing to Christ the antitype of all of them, in the former temple services which had no validity after He died on the cross, instituting the New Covenant as of the ninth hour of that Friday afternoon."
I could not agree with you more, here.
"it seems that you are comparing "the OT God" and "the NT God" by alluding to the former as a sterner, more arbitrary Entity"
I don't think I have said anything about this. Please explain!
mark0454 6 months ago
@mark0454 "I don't think I have said anything about this [OT God vs. NT God]. Please explain!"
I concluded that from your statement made last Friday, namely "The risk of the overemphasis on the God of the OT and lack of knowledge of the deity of Christ is a deeper and deeper slide into Judaism. We have both seen it happen with many SDAs".
Many Christians seem to regard the OT God as stern, demanding, arbitrary, and basically a turn-off to them in comparison to a super-liberal Jesus in the New.
jkw733 6 months ago
You said: "and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God"
I do not think a pagan, Nebuchadnezzar, could have recognized Jesus Christ when men of God could not.
When God appeared to Moses in the flaming bush, Moses did not recognize him as Christ, although the lamb was a type.
When Jacob wrestled with what we think of as the preincarnate Christ, Jacob only stated that he wrestled with God.
When the Angel of the Lord appeard, no one recognized him as Christ, but deity, no doubt.
mark0454 6 months ago
@mark0454 "I do not think a pagan, Nebuchadnezzar, could have recognized Jesus Christ when men of God could not"
By the time of the use of the "fiery furnace", he had come to some semblance of knowledge and respect for the God of Daniel and his friends, therefore most likely being open to the promptings of the Holy Spirit in confessing that he had seen the Son of God in that fire. This, however, did not preclude him from later on again acting in unbelief, but served God's purpose for the moment.
jkw733 6 months ago
@mark0454 "When the Angel of the Lord appeard, no one recognized him as Christ, but deity, no doubt"
He WAS in fact referred to as the Lord, though. We have come to realize and acknowledge SINCE those days that Jesus IS Lord, both of the Old and New Testament ages.
I cannot discount the idea that Jesus may well have been referred to as Michael as well, considering the five passages referencing and defining Him. Nothing states that an archangel needs to be created, as were the subordinate angels.
jkw733 6 months ago
(3)"Jesus existed BEFORE OT times" Absolutely! Christ is as eternal as the Father and the Spirit,
However, Gal 4.4 But when the fulness of time came, God sent forth His son...God had sent his son as a manifestation of many beings. But not as Jesus Christ.
My point is that those in the OT could not worship what had not been revealed to them. They could believe in the illusion. But we have the fulness of the Godhead bodily, Col 2.9 which is the head of all principalities and powers.
mark0454 6 months ago
@mark0454 "those in the OT could not worship what had not been revealed to them"
True, which is the reason for all of the types pointing to Christ the antitype of all of them, in the former temple services which had no validity after He died on the cross, instituting the New Covenant as of the ninth hour of that Friday afternoon.
jkw733 6 months ago
(2)"Abram/Abraham, Lot, Jacob/Israel, Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, etal.), along with Adam and Eve, that they had met God Himself."
Absolutely, but they did not know these to be the manifestation of Jesus Christ, as we know him today.
In Luke 10.24 Christ states to his disciples that the prophets and kings would have desired see the things that the disciples had seen.
V 21 states that theses things that the disciple had seen were revealed unto the disciples.
mark0454 6 months ago
Mark, it seems that you are comparing "the OT God" and "the NT God" by alluding to the former as a sterner, more arbitrary Entity than Jesus was while on earth, but since both are Scripturally stated to be unchanging, the difference would be in man's perceptions of Him, rather than in God Himself, no matter when He is dealing with mankind.
However, during earlier times God DID more definitely manifest the execution of some of His final judgments than now, as a means of validating His authority.
jkw733 6 months ago
He also delegated some of His authority to His earthly leaders, since it was then an autocratic society, but, likely due to man's overuse of that authority, or unreasonably taking too much upon themselves, came to gradually modify that society into its subsequent more democratic type instead ("Vengeance is mine; I shall repay"), in which He withholds His ultimate judgments until a time of His own choice. Both Father and Son are partnering in this, for all of us, trying to win us over to His side
jkw733 6 months ago
Good evening Jim. I hope you are well. I believe that for our salvation, we accept, believe and obey our savior Jesus Christ, born in a manger to a virgin, who died on a cross, rose again in 3 days, and is coming again, and is preparing a place for us. Jesus Christ is our God, as is the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Adam, Eve, and the Patriarch only knew an illusion of this savior. Christ was progressively revealed to what you have noted in Isaian 9, but He was yet to come.
mark0454 6 months ago
@earsarehearible Good evening Zac. I hope you are well.
The absence, nor the presence of the Comma Johanneum proves nor disproves that Jesus is God (deity). I John 5.6 and v. 8 identify the Father, Son and Spirit without v.7
Important doctrine are not based on one obscure passage. Jesus as God is clearly spelled out in dozens of passages that I have given you. However, you have made it clear that you think the Bible is full of Sh-t, so I am casting my pearls before swine.
mark0454 6 months ago
@earsarehearible "1000 year reign of Christ Eternal (on this earth)"
FYI, no Scriptural evidence presents a 1,000-year reign on this earth by Christ. With the righteous all being taken from this earth "to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thess. 4:17), and no living humans left upon the face of the earth for the next thousand years, what's the point? As per John 14, Jesus has taken His people to "my Father's house" where "I go to prepare a place for you" "that where I am, there ye may be also".
jkw733 6 months ago
Sabbath points:
The ONLY day of the week sanctified (set aside as HOLY) by our Creator God; CHRIST is Creator; affirmed in several NT passages.
Defines our source as Creation, NOT Evolution, by capping off Creation Week (Ex. 20:11).
Seven-day weeks are traditional worldwide ONLY BECAUSE OF CREATION.
It represented Israel's deliverance (REDEMPTION) from Egypt,, and also represents OURS, from SIN.
Our HOLY God sanctified it; He ALSO sanctifies US. It is HIS SIGN of our sanctification (Ezek.20:12).
jkw733 6 months ago
More Sabbath points:
Intended for ALL of humanity, having been instituted at Creation.
Affirmed as such in Isaiah 56:1-8, in which blessings are promised to the "son[s]of the stranger" who "join himself/themselves to the Lord". "Strangers" of that time were all who were outside the camp of Israel, a.k.a. Gentiles, many of whom comprise today's Christians.
Claimed BY THE LORD to be "my holy day" (Isa. 58:13,14). The Sabbath is the ONLY "Lord's day" documented in Scripture.
Reaffirmed in Heb. 4.
jkw733 6 months ago
As for "today" of Heb. 4, from which some infer a permanent rest in Christ AT THE EXPENSE of honoring His weekly Sabbaths, the phraseology of verse 7 refers to "hearing his [God's] voice" today. and "harden[ing] not [their] hearts", being FOLLOWED UP by verses 8-11, in which reaffirms that NO CHANGE has been made to the original day which was presented to the entire world as its weekly rest day ("there REMAINETH therefore a rest to the people of God") who CEASE from their own works, as did God.
jkw733 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Honestly my friend I don't know what to make of her. I try not to be harsh simply because having been raised a Sunday keeper, I know how hard it is to have to view your childhood Church as being of the devil as well as having to change your lifestyle.
Still, its one thing to have to face all these facts & quite another to deny God's word in order to remain in error.
Its more respectul to admit that their unscriptural practices are due to have been brought up that way
PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Nope, that is not what I'm saying. I'm trying to find out what you believe because you have been all over the place.
You already know what I believe about Jesus that he is the creator, the almighty, who has been from everlasting to everlasting. Who is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit.
I'm trying to get your thoughts on who YOU say that he is.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Do you believe Christ was created? Or do you believe he has been from everlasting?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Is Jesus a created being?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Is Jesus a created being?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
(4) You said: "Is not Christ "the Lord thy God" of the OT"
I will respectfully take extreme umbridge with you, here. If the intent is to place the Church of Jesus Christ into the OT, the answer is Jesus Christ is NOT the God of those in the OT.
If it is to be stated that Jesus Christ is to be transposed into the Commandment 1,2,3, I will partially agree. However, the concept of God, vis-a-vis OT and NT is different. OT was not expected to accept the full manifestation of Christ
mark0454 6 months ago
@mark0454
Paul in Hebrews 4:2 says the Jews had THE GOSPEL preached to them as it is preached to us. So the Jews were preached Christ.
So everything, including the Law, that the Jews were given, we are given. Paul says their failed to COMBINE the gospel with faith.
Meaning they failed to combine the Law with faith. One & the same faith friend
PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
@mark0454 "If the intent is to place the Church of Jesus Christ into the OT, the answer is Jesus Christ is NOT the God of those in the OT"
"Church of Jesus Christ:" - simply the progression from Judaism into Christianity.
Jesus existed BEFORE OT times (Jn. 17:5, " ... Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was"; 5:37 "... the Father himself ... hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape").
jkw733 6 months ago
@jkw733 "the concept of God, vis-a-vis OT and NT is different. OT was not expected to accept the full manifestation of Christ"
True, in His prior appearances in the form of a man, He was referred to as "the angel of the Lord", although willingly understood by many of them (Abram/Abraham, Lot, Jacob/Israel, Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, etal.), along with Adam and Eve, that they had met God Himself.
Did He not plead with His subjects THEN AS LATER IN NT TIMES, to change their ways?
jkw733 6 months ago
(3) I am, in no way, stating that Jesus Christ is not just as eternal as God the Father or the Holy Spirit. However, had God intended for us to understand that God, manifested in the Person of Jesus Christ was the OT realization of deity, I think He would have framed scripture accordingly.
That we may, with the knowledge that we have of NT scripture looking back, recognize appearances of Christ in a preincarnate form, does not give us permission to state that God in the OT was Jesus of the NT
mark0454 6 months ago
@mark0454 "appearances of Christ in a preincarnate form, does not give us permission to state that God in the OT was Jesus of the NT"
Isa. 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given ... his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
The mighty God,
The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace"
Dan. 3:25 "He {Nebuchadnezzar] answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God"
jkw733 6 months ago
(2)Jesus Christ was not fully illuminated in the OT. Although some appearances in the OT may have been the preincarnate Christ, I do not think it can be said that the Bible intends to communicate that Jesus Christ walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden.
Nor can one say that the Holy Spirt died on the Cross. Each Person of the Godhead (Trinity) should be recognized for what they have done.
The prophets recognized God speaking to them. The Bible does not say that Jesus Christ spoke to them
mark0454 6 months ago
Good morning Jim. I hope you are well. You said :
"Think a minute. Was it NOT Christ "
I am not trying to complicate the three person (Trinity) deity. Whatever you may call it. However, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost have distinct manifestations of whom they appear throughout the Bible.
It would not be incorrect to say that God performed all of the functions of deity.
mark0454 6 months ago
@earsarehearible Good morning Kiwi Boy. I hope you are well. Unless you just enjoy writing and reading you own rantings, I can not understand your problem with what I believe. I do not know where you get this LAWLESSNESS thing.
I have explained to you over and over, I believe in obedience to all the commandments given to Christians. The Bible is very explicit on this.
Would you like for me to point out some more of YOUR LAWLESSNESS?
mark0454 6 months ago
@mark0454 Your reference to "commandments given to Christians" can in no way exclude any of the Ten Commandments of Exodus 20, since, as is pointed out therein AND claimed by Christians to be the case, they are intended to apply to "thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments" (v. 6; Deut. 6:5 and elsewhere in Deut. as well; Matt. 22:35-40; Mark 12:29-31; Luke 10:27; John 14:15)).
Thus our ever-unchanging Lord's rules for those who love Him never change either; nor allow exemptions.
jkw733 6 months ago
(2)The risk of the overemphasis on the God of the OT and lack of knowledge of the deity of Christ is a deeper and deeper slide into Judaism. We have both seen it happen with many SDAs.
The next step is the Sacred Name, then Hebrew Roots movements. The final result is studying The Torah, feast days and Hebrew more than the Gospels, then Paul denying to the point of PaulGem123.
At some point, you are embracing another Gospel. There is no salvation without acknowledging the deity of Christ.
mark0454 6 months ago
@mark0454 Think a minute. Was it NOT Christ who was inside the burning bush speaking to Moses? Is not Christ "the Lord thy God" of the OT? Did He not come to visit with Abraham and Lot, or walk in the garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, as their CREATOR? Was He not the manifestation of His Father to ALL of the OT prophets including Isaiah, to whom He specifically referenced the Sabbath as "my holy day? Did He not share God's glory with Him "before the world was" (John 17:5)?
jkw733 6 months ago
@mark0454
Hebrews 4:4-5 For somewhere He has spoken about the seventh day in these words: And on the seventh day God rested from all His work. AND AGAIN IN THE PASSAGE ABOVE (the passage about the 7nth day Mark0454) He says, "They shall never enter my rest"
Mark0454, we see here in Hebrews 4:4-5 that Paul says the salvation REST entered only by faith in the person & work of Christ is spoken IN THE SAME PASSAGE where the Shabbat rest of the 7nth day is spoken.
We are to COMBINE the 2
PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
While the seventh day rest was also mentioned in the passage that is not the focus of the chapter. The very next verse speaks of the day it is referring to, calling that day Today:) Today we can enter rest if we have faith and believe. If you don't believe, you don't enter his rest because of the failure to allow christ to make you complete.
All the mention of the seventh day means is that the resting place has been available since the beginning because God rested there.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
-part 2-
People seem to see the term seventh day and think that it was speaking of the seventh day rest, despite the fact it mentions that "Today" is the day like 5 times. It was just posted as a reminder that the place where God rested, and the place that Christ raises you up to when he makes you complete in him has been available since that first seventh day because God rested.
now when you come to Christ, that very day, he makes you complete in him and raises you up to God's resting place.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
The place that was closed to you until christ came, which was signified by the priest only being allowed to enter the Most Holy Place once a year.
Now, the day you believe, you can enter in. He doesn't wait until the seventh day to enter you in. Re-read chapter 3 and 4. I assure you the focus isn't the seventh day sabbath, but today.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
The seventh day and all the things in the past were given because the true realities hadn't yet come. The whole temple service, all the feast days, the sacrifices, everything was not the actual reality. People are making the seventh day sabbath into the reality when it was never meant to be.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim "People are making the seventh day sabbath into the reality when it was never meant to be"
WHAT ARE YOU IMPLYING???
"The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God" has EXACTLY as much veracity as "You will have no other gods before Me", "You will not kill", "You will not steal", "you will not make any graven images", nor bow before them in worship, "You will not covet", You will not commit adultery", "Honor your [parents]', AND "You will not be a false witness about others".
jkw733 6 months ago
@jkw733
And the passover is the passover of the Lord? Do you celebrate the passover exactly as the disciples did? But is the passover lamb the reality? or is Jesus the reality of the passover lamb?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
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Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
if people understood this then they wouldn't condemn those who accept the reality and choose to abide in the reality. The shadow was fine and glorious in it's time, but it becomes overshadowed by the reality once the reality comes. If you accept the reality then you ARE accepting that which was required by God to enter into his presence.
This is why salvation is based on faith and not works. If you accept him who is the reality, the law becomes fulfilled in you, not according to your works....
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
but because of what he has already done.
This is why I can't condemn you for wanting to rest on the day you pick, or vice versa. Salvation is given one way and one way alone, through Christ and his shed blood. You accept him, you've found the answer for he gives you his righteousness through no works of your own.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim "If you accept him who is the reality, the law becomes fulfilled in you, not according to your works"
Nice point!
NOW, considering that JESUS is our Guide in life, who set the New Covenant into motion at the exact INSTANT of His death, as evidenced by the IMMEDIATE tearing of the temple veil into the Most Holy Place, from TOP TO BOTTOM, please take a moment to expound on ANY VALUE WHATSOEVER of honoring ANY day other than the Sabbath, as having ANY holy significance AT ALL???
jkw733 6 months ago
@jkw733 Pat, you might keep in mind Gal. 3:15 while you're at it; "Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed
[BY THE SHED BLOOD OF CHRIST, and NOT EVER by His resurrection!],
no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto".
jkw733 6 months ago
@jkw733
What do you believe the tearing of the veil symbolized? You mentioned that you believe it symbolized the initiating of the new covenant into motion. But why was it torn? what was the symbolism of it? What did the temple veil represent?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim The veil separated the sanctuary's Holy Place from the Most Holy where God dwelt, being accessible only annually by the high priest on the Day of Atonement, after he had not only atoned all year long for the sins of the people, but on that day for himself as well.
Christ's death signified by the tearing asunder of the veil announced the end of the need for priestly temple services on earth, since His Covenant-RATIFYING (SEALING) shed blood now provides direct access to His Father.
jkw733 6 months ago 2
@Myhopeisinhim "salvation is based on faith and not works"
Having FAITH in God involves DOING THINGS HIS WAY, instead of ANY other way, since He does NOT instruct His people incorrectly.
He has NEVER placed any special blessing on ANY OTHER day of the week than the SEVENTH; for ANYONE to EVER have done so is to make HIM/HER/THEM all dependent on HIS/HER/THEIR OWN works in a FRUITLESS attempt to honor God/Christ, whom He says is thereby WORSHIPED IN VAIN, when men's commandments are followed.
jkw733 6 months ago
@jkw733
Isn't it interesting about the special blessings of the Sabbath. So are these people saying that God wants only the Jews to claim the promise of riding on the high places of the earth? I wonder why the Jews are said to be so successful in life. Could it be that they claim Isaiah 58:14 blessings & Christians are missing on it?
PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
You wrote "While the seventh day rest was also mentioned in the passage in Heb 4:4, it is not the focus of the chapter"
You couldn't be more wrong. The seventh day that the writer says God spoke of it somewhere, is very much the FOCUS of the chapter.
Notice Hebrews 4:2 tells us that the Jews did not combine the gospel with faith. They had the commandments including the 7nth day rest, but failed to keep them because they did COMBINE it with faith
Keyword - COMBINE
PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
My apologies, but I'm afraid I have to respectfully disagree. we're told quite specifically that the day that he picked, the certain day that was chosen was "today" Hebrews 4:7. The word today was spoken at least 4-5 times in chapters 3 and 4. And it is always in the context of believing. If you believe,, you can enter into rest.
What day do we enter God's resting place, his most holy place?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim `
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See this is ALWAYS your problem. You JUMP to other Scriptures instead of discussing the FOUNDATIONAL ones first. You do that when discussing the 2 covenants in 2 Cor 3:3. You JUMP to 2 Cor 3:7 & start claiming that the 10 comms are the ministry of death instead of focusing on 2 Cor 3:3 which is the FOUNDATION of the whole discussion.
WHY JUMP to Heb 4:7 INSTEAD of discussing the FOUNDATION of the discussion on the rest? WHY not focus on Hebrews 4:1-5 FIRST?
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PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
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Failing to see where the discussion of the salvation rest in Christ ORIGINATES from is the reason why you have failed to understand the LINK between the 2, the salvation rest & the physical rest of the seventh day Shabbat.
Just FOCUS on WHERE the BEGINNING discussion of the salvation rest is before JUMPING around & running away with a semi understanding.
PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
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What does "in the passage above" mean to you in Hebrews 4:5? Does it not mean that "in the same place" where God is commanding us to keep the seventh day Shabbat, He is ALSO commanding us to enter into the salvation rest?
PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
The keyword in Hebrew 4 is COMBINE. There was/is nothing wrong with the Law of the 10 commandments that the Jews were given. It was their failure to COMBINE Law keeping with faith, the Spiritual rest that is INEXTRICABLY LINKED to the physical rest of the 7nth day Shabbat.
I can't believe there is even an argument over such clear statement as the words used in Hebrews 4:5 "AND IN THAT PASSAGE AGAIN" in reference to the salvation rest & the 7nth day test
COMBINE THE 2!
PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
The salvation rest in the finished work of Christ in Hebrews 4:5 is spoken of IN THE SAME BREATH as the rest of the 7nth day Shabbat.
You mean you cannot see this??
PreparetomeetthyGod 6 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
It is spoken of in the same verse, but the focus is not the seventh day sabbath, but rather the rest we enter into through faith.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim "All the mention of the seventh day means is that the resting place has been available since the beginning because God rested there"
Pat, a DAY has NEVER been a PLACE; it represents a TIME PERIOD of 24 hours. God did not rest THERE; he rested THEN --- ON the seventh day.
jkw733 6 months ago
(6)You asked: "Why is Christ made subject to God?"
You don't read your Bible much, or go to church, do you? Christ was not "made" to be subject to God. Phil 2.6-11 Because He loved us so much, He humbled himself and became obedient unto the death of the Cross.
God manifests himself in many forms, a cloud, an angel, fire, a still small voice, the Holy Spirit, and in the man Jesus. They are no less God.
Repent, Zac. You are like a hoon, full tit on a highway to Hell.
mark0454 6 months ago
@mark0454
I remember once when a jehovah's witness came to our door, and I wanted to talk about who Jesus was. Their response to me was: "What is so important about who Jesus is". People have focused so much on deeds, and not enough on Christ these days. They forget that belief in who Jesus is is imperative or else you will die in your sins.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Good evening Myhope. I hope you are well. It is unfortunate, but many denomination over emphasize one to the detriment of the another. To some, as in charismatics, it is the spirit of God, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of God. To Calvinist, it is the sovereign God. Some Baptist over emphasize Jesus.
The Father, Son and Holy Ghost all are integral to our salvation, and our walk with God. Only through the study of scripture that we fully understand the proper roles of each.
mark0454 6 months ago
(5)Be it know to all that Zac Kiwi Boy states that reading the Bible is a waste of his time. I sent him about 50 scripture verses that illuminate the deity and attributes of Christ.
His answer: My scripture was full of Sh--! Well, that about says it all. It seems that whenever someone declares the deity of Christ, it throws Ole Zac into a fit of fury. Kind of like showing a Cross to a vampire.
I think this reaction is instructive.
Repent, Zac. You are lost and heading to Hell !!
mark0454 6 months ago
(3) You asked: " Who is on the Throne & who receives the scrolls?"
Although, i feel like I am casting my pearls before swine, I will answer this question, although, the answer is obvious.
God, the father in on the throne.
Christ, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Root of Jesse, the Son of Man, the Ancient of Days, who is given glory, a kingdom of all nations, which will never be destroyed, an everlasting dominion which will not pass away is given the book.
mark0454 6 months ago
(4) You asked Myhope to ask me "A Priest has just finished raping someones child.'
You must be randy or something. This is all you talk about. I will not humor your perversion with an answer. I have told you already. This was a very common practice in the Temple at the time, and Christ did not mention it.
But, Christ did mention this, and I will ask you. The woman who was caught in adultery, had she been brought back later that day with the SAME accusation, what would Christ have done?
mark0454 6 months ago
(2)Now, Kiwi Boy. Let's look at your track record. You have had 5 channels in 3 months, marvalmak, Zacmarvalmak, eyesareseeable, earsarehearable, wyhopeinvain.
You have found it necessary to completely hide your identity on at least 2 of your channel so you can not be blocked. I have not read a single comment that agrees with you, even amoung SDAs. You have even insulted them.
You have a bad case of "I am right and everyone else is wrong"
So your effort have gone down the gurgler, Mate
mark0454 6 months ago
@earsarehearible Good afternoon, Youngster. You wrote to Myhope:
"it is already happening now, the many sites you are visiting people are avoiding you simply because they desire not to tread where fools tread."
That is an interesting observation. Now let's check it's accuracy. Myhope has been around over 2 years. She has the same channel and channel name. Although many disagree vehemently, she is welcomed on all but a few channels, where she finds cordial and respectful dialog.
mark0454 6 months ago
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@earsarehearible
Again I ask you, in which Jesus do you believe? A created being? or the one who has been alive since before time began?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
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Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
Who is your Jesus?
1. There is a muslim Jesus
2. There is a created Jesus, who is one of many gods
3. There is the creator, Jesus, who is the Christ the son of the living God. The Jesus whom the bible calls Almighty God. The one who came to earth in the flesh and died on the cross shedding his blood for our sin, and rising again the third day. This same Jesus will return someday.
Which Jesus is your Jesus? Mine is the third one.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
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Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Actually I was posing a question to you:
Have you met Jesus at the cross and allowed him to cleanse you by his blood? Have you accepted him and his work as the means of salvation? Have you accepted him as your savior?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
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@earsarehearible
The blood of Jesus Christ his son cleanseth us from all sin. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life
Do you believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God? The Word who created all things that became flesh and dwelt amongst us? Do you believe that Jesus lived on this earth and took your sins in his own body and died on the cross for your sins? Have you accepted work?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
Have you me Jesus at the cross and allowed him to cleanse you? Have you turned to Jesus and surrender your soul to him? Have you accepted his blood as your atonement?
These are my questions to you.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
Did you know that the blood of Jesus is your only plea? It is the only thing that will allow you to enter the presence of God. It is the only thing that you can take in with you. Are you covered in the blood of the lamb, my good friend?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
@earsarehearible
1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.
1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Let me ask you, have you put your faith in Christ?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Jesus is the lamb who approached the Father. I ask you though, whose your Savior? Have you trusted in Jesus yet? Have you met him at the foot of the cross and allowed him to save you?
Or are you who you showed to be on another channel?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Are you washed in the blood of the lamb? have you allowed Jesus to make you whole?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
This is where people misunderstand the trinity. They don't see how they can be the same God, and yet not be the same person. They are looking at God through man's understanding, but God's ways are not our ways. His thoughts are not our thoughts.
While we may not understand something, that doesn't mean it's not true.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
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Have you trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior? The creator of heaven and earth? Do you believe that he took your sin in his own body on the tree? That he shed his blood for your sins and rose again the third day?
Have you trusted in him for your salvation?
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@earsarehearible
Don't miss the symbolism in why it wasn't mentioned. There is much that one misses in the creation. I've met many people who don't see the shadows of Christ in the creation simply because they don't believe that shadows existed before sin.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
I clearly referred to Gen 1, maybe you should read it and understand what it says and means! Its ok if you don't and are truly lost by man's word and traditions instead if GOD's. God clearly tells us the solar first day, too bad you can't see that! Once again, yawn, I ask you or anyone to refer to book and verse, other than Gen 1 when the first day is, you can't and wont because it doesn't exists in God's word only in man's tradition. have a nice day.
saldathief 10 months ago
Gen 1:5 states "And the evening and the morning were the first day", correct?
Gen 1:8, 13, 19, 23, and 31 add similar information for Creation Days 2 through 6, and then Chapter 2 begins by defining Day 7 as the day which God blessed and sanctified because "He had rested [on that day] from all His work which He had made".
Therefore, each day begins at the sunset/evening, and lasts through the daylight hours until the following sunset/evening ... the "solar" first WEEK being Days 1 through 7.
jkw733 10 months ago
@jkw733 Yes correct, Its all there in black and white for those who can read and understand. Gen 1:4 tells mankind when the first day is. No other place in the Bible does God have to repeat himself nor does he need to. One must know God's true first day in order to know the seventh. See for yourself. Don't go with what "man" or a church says go with what GOD himself says and tells us clearly in Gen 1:4 about the first day.
saldathief 9 months ago
@saldathief @saldathief "yawn," you must be tired; why not go take a nap or something?
Gen 1:4 doesn't mention the first day at all, but merely states that God divided the light from the darkness. The first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and by natural extension the SEVENTH days ALL consist of "the evening(s) and the morning(s); dark part first, bright part last. "yawn,"
jkw733 9 months ago
@jkw733 Ugh, please open your eyes and read and understand, Gen 4 and 5 tells us when the first day is. Nigh and day are equal on the first day. What part don't you understand? very sad, its right there for all to see if they open their eyes. 4 and 5 say nothing about any other day, you are sleeping my friend.
saldathief 9 months ago
@saldathief "Nigh and day are equal on the first day. What part don't you understand?"
Nothing in Genesis says that they are "equal on the first day". The various "evening"s and "morning"s denoting each of the first six days are respectively itemized in verses 5, 8, 13, 19, 23, and 31, with the seventh day, which is naturally ANOTHER progression of evening followed by morning, being brought out in Chapter 2. THAT, sir, constituted the first WEEK; seven days long.
jkw733 9 months ago
@jkw733 What part of divided don't you understand? 1st grade math class, divided means make 2 parts equal. And God divided the light from the darkness, he made day and night equal on the first day. Are you really that hard headed not to see it? Its not there as a coincidence.
saldathief 8 months ago
@saldathief As you wrote, "God divided the light from the darkness". BUT since the Bibles states that the evening AND the morning comprised the first and all subsequent days, we're looking at TWENTY-FOUR-hour periods rather than only twelve for ANY day; a DAY is both EVENING AND MORNING, a.k.a. darkness and daylight.
jkw733 8 months ago
@jkw733
Have you ever wondered why the seventh day didn't end the same way? Every previous day had evening and morning, except for the seventh.
Myhopeisinhim 6 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim What sort of