@fulekkei If you believed in his philosophy at all its hard to see where your extreme anger comes from. Unless we consider the context that you are just an angry person in general who uses inmendhams points because you have no other way of feeling good about yourself. I pity you.
@fulekkei No, thats just in line with how he acts. If he or yourself were at all bothered about other people, that would weigh into how you behave with them.
I dont accept that life is shit, i think for all its struggles, its more interesting here than it was in the billions of years before i was born, something i share with most other people.
Inmendhams philosophy seems to be misplaced rage that he has towards his mother for not being rich and supporting him like people get in his community.
@Aspartame69 If you personally say that "life is interesting", that is in no way contradictory with the philosophy. Whether you find life interesting or not is irrelevant to the answer of the question, "What's the truth about life?"
I have no qualms with you finding G's mannerisms and disposition obnoxious. I do, however, take issue when you overtly state that his philosophy is glaringly incorrect. Unless you argue against the philosophy specifically, then you can feel however you want.
@fulekkei The apparent fact that the universe has no purpose is not in contest. Inmenhdams subjective OPINION that life is not worth living even for those (the vast majority) that disagree with him, is not really any justification to end life. So it will solve suffering in a strange kind of way, it will also remove all the things that nearly everyone that has ever existed value subjectively enough to make life worth it. Saying that suffering is objective is retarded. Its all in the brain.
I Agree Gary Inmendham, Totally, LIFE'S NOTHING BUT A FUCKING FUCKTARDED DELUSIONAL CRAP, This is why life is Nothing, And This Is Why I Hate Life Too...
@BonzaiBankai Its ok man, ive decided to accommodate you. I now agree that disabled people should be killed to stop them suffering, that people in the third world should be sterilized so you cant use pathetic hypotheticals, that people in the developed countries should not have kids in case one of them out of the millions or so turn out like inmendham. Happy now?
First off, I never said that all disabled people should die, or that their suffering is too great. Second, I never suggested that people in the third world should be sterilized, just that I wouldn't want to live their lives, these are all your ideas.
The real reason I think people (like you) shouldn't have kids is because they have no justification for taking risks with other people's existence, and so the overpopulation doesn't 'cause even more unnecessary suffering...
How can I argue with a person who makes no sense? Ignoring the truth isn't practical, it's just plain ignorant. You and I know that nothing I say will ever change your attitude towards inmendham, so why don't you just fuck off already?
@BonzaiBankai 1st, you replied to me. 2nd, saying that there would be less suffering if brains did not exist may be true, but it isnt practical and is also very ignorant of reality.
My first comment wasn't supposed to be an argument...
Are you really gonna make the argument that it's ignorant to say that need doesn't need to exist. If you have a rational explanation why need must be created and perpetuated indefinitely, then I'd love to hear it. If not, it's only right that you just fuck off and stop subjecting me to your bullshit bombardment.
@BonzaiBankai Saying htat my comment was useless was not meant to be an argument. Perhaps you should practice that not getting into an argument thang.
I think i made it clear that talking about things that cannot be altered is a gross waste of time. His idea logically concludes that in order to prevent suffering or need, we have to end all life. Hes said as much in his more bitter moments. Is that a true statement? obviously, is it rational? no its insane.
You still haven't given one reason why life should be perpetuated, you're owned by your nature and you're clearly playing a game, it's paper thin, I can see right through it. Also thumbing your comments up with your other accounts (over getting your friends to) is a really lame tactic.
"I think i made it clear that talking about things that cannot be altered is a gross waste of time."
I agree with this statement and your mind is completely closed, so fuck off already.
@BonzaiBankai I cant give you a reason why your life should be perpetuated. Feel free to end it. If you are replying to this thread in 20 mins ill assume that you are also playing a 'game' and as such are not just perpetuating your life but also being a hypocrite.
I find that perpetuating life is more interesting than not doing so, though both options may be pointless in the universal time scale, i think it would be pointless sooner to advocate the end of life.
I haven't told you to fuck off three times in order to belie my nature, you moron. I did it because you don't answer my questions and yet you act like I'm the one saying stupid shit.
I'm not claiming to be exempt from this game, and if "I think it's more interesting than not doing so" is all you have to 4 billion years of suffering, then you fail.
Living my life in acceptance of the fact that life is unnecessary and serves no rational purpose doesn't make me a hypocrite.
Nice to see you didnt kil yourself and as such proving that you are playing a game and also a hypocrite since you have proved that you think your life is worth perpetuating.
I answered your question. I said there was slightly more point to existing than to not existing since there by definition can be nothing as pointless as not existing.
If you believe otherwise, why not just take action and end your life? I would if i thought that...
Also when I comment about perpetuating life, I don't mean my life or your life, I'm talking about procreating. I'm pretty sure you know this, but saying "you're a hypocrite if you continue to live" is much easier than dealing with the actual subject of why you THINK Gary is wrong, and why, if you think his philosophies are so fucking absurd, do you continue to waste your time talking about such a thing that cannot be changed? Your words not mine.
@BonzaiBankai Same reason that everyone talks about things that cannot be changed. Although, opinions can be changed, the fundamentals of life, or in my example the substance of materials, cannot.
I didn't bother with this before because of how absurd it is, but since I'm having fun, here goes.
"I said there was slightly more point to existing than to not existing since there by definition can be nothing as pointless as not existing."
So because life exists, taking further risks with human lives, by multiplying for no reasons other than 'creatures have been doing it for billions of years', and 'I think it's better than nothing' is the rational thing to do?
@BonzaiBankai Also, no one is saying life serves a rational purpose apart from the religious. Though being alive is in and of its self an interesting sensation that deserves to be explored.
Ill be frank. Inmendham is a depressed person. He is correct that there is no purpose to life. He is far from he first to say this. He lives a life of deprivation and rather than making his own life better he derides other peoples in an attempt to address the inequity of the situation he placed himself in.
"being alive is in and of its self an interesting sensation that deserves to be explored."
So if your life was spent drooling in a wheelchair, horribly disfigured, unable to eat, unable to move, unable to talk, and in constant pain and discomfort every second of every day for 80 years, you'd choose that over nothing? Or the life of a peasant who was brutally tortured for years in the Tower of London for example.
Yes please? No thanks? Take your time and think it through.
Little thought experiment; if you knew for a fact before you conceived a child it'd grow up to be (heaven's forbid) exactly like Gary, with the same alleged chronic depression that makes him hate the world (but doesn't stop him from trying his best to change the world for the better by dedicating a big part of his life to it, or spending hours talking, laughing, and joking in stickam every saturday night)...
Would you conceive him? You'd hate him, and he'd resent you...
Aren't you the guy who said: "I think i made it clear that talking about things that cannot be altered is a gross waste of time"?
Do you honestly believe that you will alter inmendham's philosophy with your shitty little comments? If not, you've wasted a hell of a lot of your life. Fuck you and your petty existence on YouTube, right from the bottom of my heart.
Run along, and take you shiny little lollipop with you. ---O
@BonzaiBankai Inmendham is expressing his opinion, and so am i. My life is mine to use and since i dont watch tv or (lol) study japanese culture, i can spend it however i like :)
You are obviously a protective but angry person, and would only harm any cause that you lend yourself towards by further reinforcing the general view that inmendhams personality cult attracts people that are damaged in some way.
Just to reiterate, no one disagrees with him on the facts, just the conclusion. tata
@BonzaiBankai Well, some of the facts maybe. The historical/scientific facts he pulls straight from his intuition for example are often ropey. If science was as simple as believing something strongly with no investigation, we would be far ahead of where we are now :)
Please tell me to fuck off some more now, not only does it make my penis harder, it also makes me laugh since it is you who are and have been pursuing this conversation since the beginning.
You left a cuntish comment, I left one for you. I'd of been happy to leave it at that.
To sum up, your comments consist of ad-hom and mushy crap that you pulled out your arse. You've said that I should kill myself for suggesting that you have no rational basis for why you think Gary is wrong when he says that life shouldn't be perpetuated by fuckers like you, who think it's ok 'cause you have a tingly feeling in your vagina, and your comments demonstrate this perfectly. End.
@BonzaiBankai Its not ad hom unless it is unrelated to the argument. I think inmenhdams depression and mental illness is a factor in his philosophy os that is not an ad hom. My initial remark was neither cuntish or ad hom, it was an analogy.
So i take it you are never going to have children?
And instead of asking me to shut up to end this, something which you have absolutely no control over, why not just stop commenting if it upsets you so much?
"Its not ad hom unless it is unrelated to the argument."
Saying that his philosophy (exists and/or is wrong) because he is depressed, without a valid counter argument explaining why he's wrong (not how you feel that he's wrong) is an ad-hom. Also I'm not telling you to shut up nor am I getting upset, I'm saying make a valid point or fuck off, and you refuse to do either of those things.
I wont ever have children, what makes it okay for you to impose life (need) on someone else?
@BonzaiBankai I have said time after time why his conclusions about life are based on his depression. Saying that life is pointless and that pleasure is irrelevant while suffering is paramount is not an objective truth, its just the way many depressed people feel.
You evade my question and pose one of your own on a failed assumption. I do not hate inmendham. Also, i dont think trying to help the world is his primary goal, ironically, he is trying to justify his existence.
Which question have I evaded? You've distorted and evaded my questions from the start.
"Saying that life is pointless and that pleasure is irrelevant while suffering is paramount is not an objective truth, its just the way many depressed people feel."
Life is pointless, and he's never said that pleasure is irrelevant (but a major pleasure is nothing compared to a major pain), however your pleasure is irrelevant in a discussion about 4 billion years of carnage.
@BonzaiBankai And also, you seem pretty angry to me. I am making valid points. Just because you dont agree with them doesnt make them invalid. Getting angry because you cannot rebut an opposing argument is a pretty common thing though i guess.
Good for you to never have children. Personally i am grateful for my life along with most other people who get to ponder the strangeness of reality in all its brutal glory. If my children dont feel the same way, they are welcome to kill themselves.
"If my children dont feel the same way, they are welcome to kill themselves."
That figures.
So would you choose the miserable, disfigured, crippled, painful, terrible life over not existing at all, or would you prefer not to answer that? And would you choose that life for your children too, if that was the only alternative to having no children?
Cute how you think "being alive is in and of its self an interesting sensation that deserves to be explored. is a valid point.
@BonzaiBankai I think the numbers are against you here. Only a small proportion of people are miserable, disfigured, crippled or in pain.
Inmendham says that a circumcised penis doesnt know what its missing because how the brain wires itself, but even people in relative poverty work the same way, i.e. you cant miss what you dont have. Only a very small fraction of people will be set to live lives of a kind you depict here, so yes, i think if people want to take that risk, it is acceptable.
Taking that risk with a child is acceptable to you. Okay, that's all I needed to hear.
So would you choose that life over not existing? Numbers have nothing to do with you answering the question honestly, there are people who live like that, and there's always a risk of it. Yes, you can't miss what you don't have, but you don't need to have been in a better situation in the past to suffer horribly...
@BonzaiBankai Risk has everything to do with numbers, unless there is another type of statistics im am not aware of. Avoiding all risk would be nice but it isnt any sort of practical.
Again, the vast majority of people do not suffer horribly, so why should i respond to the risk as if a single person who is suffering = all people suffering like inmendham presupposes?
If you're not willing to live the life of those who live the worst existence on earth, whether it's a tiny fractional percentage or not, you have no leg to stand on, and your 'it's more interesting to do so' 'it's better than non-existence' argument falls.
"why should i respond to the risk as if a single person who is suffering = all people suffering like inmendham presupposes?"
He doesn't say anything close to that. Fail on that one.
@BonzaiBankai What is cute is that i answer all your questions even though you imply i dont, and you accuse me of making no valid points while all you do is call them cute in order to rebut them lol.
"What is cute is that i answer all your questions even though you imply i dont, and you accuse me of making no valid points while all you do is call them cute in order to rebut them lol."
If that's the case why did I have to ask you if you'd choose the crippled painful life over non-existence twice? And why haven't you answered it yet? I've exposed your arguments as subjective nonsense, it's there for all to see, distort all you want, it doesn't change a thing.
@BonzaiBankai You didnt ask that, you asked if i would chose that for my child. I said i would take the risk, hense i was answering the question more honestly and practically than you posed it since at no point would i get to chose to have a disabled child.
I have clearly stated why inmendhams arguments are subjective, please take the time to do so with mine rather than just stating it which is apparently a habit of yours :)
"being alive is in and of its self an interesting sensation that deserves to be explored"
If that is a statement of fact, then you'd be more than able and willing to answer yes to my HYPOTHETICAL question. I asked multiple times if you'd choose the cripple life over non-existence, I posed 'the would you choose it for you kid if the alternate was no kid' question once only, RIGHT NEXT TO my initial question and you moved the fucking goalposts, because you have no answer.
@BonzaiBankai That was subjective, but you already made it personal at that point by asking me what i thought. I stated earlier that not existing is even more pointless than existing. Existing at least allows for subjective points while not existing allows for no point what-so-ever.
Also, your hypothetical question is best answered by disabled people including a relative of mine who live lives that they deem worthwhile even though they struggle with certain aspects.
If you're not willing to live the lives of the worst off people on the planet, no matter how tiny of a percentage they happen to be, then your arguments of 'it's more interesting to do so' and 'existing is better than not existing' doesn't mean shit!
Fuck your disabled relative, and fuck you for choosing to play that card, 'struggling with certain aspects' is not the worst suffering imaginable!! Either answer the question or admit that you can't answer it without looking incredibly silly.
@BonzaiBankai The worst suffering imaginable is even rarer than any of the standards of suffering you have brought forward up to now. Saying that we should not procreate en mass because there is a remote chance than one of the children may suffer beyond imagination is a stretch beyond imagination. I have to be honest and say that statistically, people who are disabled in massive numbers decide to live out their lives, so that is as honestly as i can answer the question again.
"Saying that we should not procreate en mass because there is a remote chance than one of the children may suffer..."
That's not what I'm saying, millions of people suffer horribly every day, maybe not the worst torturous suffering imaginable, but would you choose to be a poor, abused and exploited child in some shitty aids and malaria ridden, war torn shit-hole in the 3rd world over non-existence?
@BonzaiBankai Im not sure, lets ask them shall we? I get the feeling they even they are not commiting suicide in large proportions so i guess you can continue to ignore the very people who you claim to be trying to help by sterilizing lol.
You just don't get it at all, THEY'RE ADDICTED to this life thing just like you and me. You can't say that they wouldn't be better off non-existent if you're not willing to trade place with 'em. I didn't ask what they think, they struggle to survive because they're conditioned to think survival is inherently good, they're owned by DNA just like you. You fail to answer my questions and you fail to impress me.
@BonzaiBankai Ok so those that are suffering would be better off non-existant. So we should sterilize people in war torn countries or those who are disabled. Very nice.
What about those in stable countries with a very low chance of birth / health issues who like me (and i assume you), who dont actually suffer. Why should we sterilize? Because there is a very small chance that our kids will not like life? lol. Think again buddy.
People who's life consists of real harsh suffering, would be better off if they'd never existed, they may not think so, because they're conditioned to survive. Not your fucking disabled granny you twat.
If you could push a button that initiated the life of a poor African kid who's gonna be forced to work and endure terrible suffering, no happy moments just suffering, would you press it or leave it. YOUR CHOICE! Don't boo-hoo about anything else.
@BonzaiBankai Suffering is part of life and accepting that is part of emotional maturity. Some of the saddest moments of my life were also the most stimulating since i was exploring emotions that i never knew i had. Those people are all too well aware of their suffering and it is derogatory for you to assume what they all think just because some depressed mentally disordered recluse said they were addicted. But then derogatory remarks have been your speciality in this conversation.
@BonzaiBankai My kids can do whatever they want within the golden rule, thats about as emotionally mature as you can get.
And i answered your question, i just pointed out that it did nothing to prove your point that no one shouls want to procreate no matter what there circumstances. Inmendham =/= a kid in the third world with no happiness.
@BonzaiBankai Also, are you only suggesting sterilizing people in war torn countries?
Or because there are people who are suffering in war torn countries, should we all stop procreating in some sort of sympathy protest against the suffering?
Maybe we should let them settle their problems and help them to resolve them in a more constructive way, the same way that people of all 1st world governments overthrew direct tyranny and made better lives for ourselves and our descendants.
@BonzaiBankai But what relevance would that be. Obviously i would prefer not to live there. That is an argument to not live there, not for people who dont live there to not have children lol
@BonzaiBankai The arguments you have regurgitated from inmendham work only in the vacuum of other people, i.e. the same environment which spawned them.
You arguments only work in your distorted mind. I'm sick an' tired of your shit, distort some more, declare victory, thumb up your comments some more, I couldn't care less.
Also you could use this as a handy little escape from the question you'd rather invoke a crippled relative than answer!
@BonzaiBankai i have been completely honest and instead of answering your question directly i have envoked the very people you think would not want to live, who actually in reality decided to continute their lives in overwhelming proportions. lol
You are obviously an emotional person like inmendham, not a good place to be starting from while claiming to have objective truth :)
Also, your paranoia about the thumb is quite sad.
If you take me saying a lot of lives are hell a lot more bad than good and that I wouldn't want to live that kind of life (and if you're honest neither would you), as meaning that I think that mildly disabled people wouldn't want to live (what they want has nothing to do with my argument, your arguments are all based on what people want, not mine) then you're really dumb.
@BonzaiBankai I dont have to be honest or dishonest, i can just observe the truth. Those people obviously prefer life to death. Saying they are addicted is in and of itself a proclamation of the worthiness of life.
People who lived 1000 years ago lived relatively terrible lives and now many of us live in relative paradise, so for a large proportion of people the choice to procreate was the correct one. You are the only person ignoring people and facts.
@BonzaiBankai Also, if life is meaningless, all that is left is what meaning is subjectively placed on life by people. By ignoring people you really are being ignorant.
"being alive is in and of its self an interesting sensation that deserves to be explored"
If that is a statement of fact, then you'd be more than able and willing to answer yes to my HYPOTHETICAL question. I asked multiple times if you'd choose the cripple life over non-existence, I posed 'the would you choose it for you kid if the alternate was no kid' question once only, RIGHT NEXT TO my initial question and you moved the fucking goalposts, because you have no answer.
"When he talks about suffering, it is patently obvious he is talking about his own. Narcissistic doesnt even come close to how inmendham uses his subjective intuition to declare objectivity."
If that's what you really believe then you're a hell of a lot dumber than I thought. Here's a lollipop. ---O
He is like a beacon of light in this god forsaken world. I wish he could read the comments of people who do appreciate his vids.
continue on the battle man!!!
sorensofos 1 year ago
@Aspartame69 you're kindof a pathetic pussy.
and by kindof i mean really. fuck off tweebles. your patheticism reeks of skank.
fulekkei 1 year ago
@fulekkei dude, you have to be the most retarded and sycophantical of all inmendhams retard sycophants.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@fulekkei If you believed in his philosophy at all its hard to see where your extreme anger comes from. Unless we consider the context that you are just an angry person in general who uses inmendhams points because you have no other way of feeling good about yourself. I pity you.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69 im angry because the world is GAHbage, laddie. most people are all about accepting it--swallowing the big pile of phlegm and smiling.
i'm not.
that's rather in line with the philosophy, no?
fulekkei 1 year ago
@fulekkei No, thats just in line with how he acts. If he or yourself were at all bothered about other people, that would weigh into how you behave with them.
I dont accept that life is shit, i think for all its struggles, its more interesting here than it was in the billions of years before i was born, something i share with most other people.
Inmendhams philosophy seems to be misplaced rage that he has towards his mother for not being rich and supporting him like people get in his community.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69 If you personally say that "life is interesting", that is in no way contradictory with the philosophy. Whether you find life interesting or not is irrelevant to the answer of the question, "What's the truth about life?"
I have no qualms with you finding G's mannerisms and disposition obnoxious. I do, however, take issue when you overtly state that his philosophy is glaringly incorrect. Unless you argue against the philosophy specifically, then you can feel however you want.
fulekkei 1 year ago
@fulekkei The apparent fact that the universe has no purpose is not in contest. Inmenhdams subjective OPINION that life is not worth living even for those (the vast majority) that disagree with him, is not really any justification to end life. So it will solve suffering in a strange kind of way, it will also remove all the things that nearly everyone that has ever existed value subjectively enough to make life worth it. Saying that suffering is objective is retarded. Its all in the brain.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
I Agree Gary Inmendham, Totally, LIFE'S NOTHING BUT A FUCKING FUCKTARDED DELUSIONAL CRAP, This is why life is Nothing, And This Is Why I Hate Life Too...
777TIZZable 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
You know what, fuck you. This bullshit is a complete waste of my time.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Its ok man, ive decided to accommodate you. I now agree that disabled people should be killed to stop them suffering, that people in the third world should be sterilized so you cant use pathetic hypotheticals, that people in the developed countries should not have kids in case one of them out of the millions or so turn out like inmendham. Happy now?
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
First off, I never said that all disabled people should die, or that their suffering is too great. Second, I never suggested that people in the third world should be sterilized, just that I wouldn't want to live their lives, these are all your ideas.
The real reason I think people (like you) shouldn't have kids is because they have no justification for taking risks with other people's existence, and so the overpopulation doesn't 'cause even more unnecessary suffering...
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
You have to use these ridiculous distortions because you're a fucking troll who won't be wasting any more of my time.
I HOPE YOUR KIDS DON'T EVER KILL THEMSELVES, BUT THAT ONE DAY YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH OF A DISGUSTING PEICE OF SHIT YOU ARE FOR SAYING:
"IF MY KIDS DON'T LIKE LIFE, THEY ARE FREE TO KILL THEMSELVES"
And all because you wanted to win an argument on YouTube...
You won't be wasting any more of my time, Have a nice scummy, trolly existence, farewell.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
How can I argue with a person who makes no sense? Ignoring the truth isn't practical, it's just plain ignorant. You and I know that nothing I say will ever change your attitude towards inmendham, so why don't you just fuck off already?
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai 1st, you replied to me. 2nd, saying that there would be less suffering if brains did not exist may be true, but it isnt practical and is also very ignorant of reality.
Aspartame69 1 year ago 3
@Aspartame69
My first comment wasn't supposed to be an argument...
Are you really gonna make the argument that it's ignorant to say that need doesn't need to exist. If you have a rational explanation why need must be created and perpetuated indefinitely, then I'd love to hear it. If not, it's only right that you just fuck off and stop subjecting me to your bullshit bombardment.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Saying htat my comment was useless was not meant to be an argument. Perhaps you should practice that not getting into an argument thang.
I think i made it clear that talking about things that cannot be altered is a gross waste of time. His idea logically concludes that in order to prevent suffering or need, we have to end all life. Hes said as much in his more bitter moments. Is that a true statement? obviously, is it rational? no its insane.
You dont have to reply (or do you?)
Aspartame69 1 year ago 2
@Aspartame69
You still haven't given one reason why life should be perpetuated, you're owned by your nature and you're clearly playing a game, it's paper thin, I can see right through it. Also thumbing your comments up with your other accounts (over getting your friends to) is a really lame tactic.
"I think i made it clear that talking about things that cannot be altered is a gross waste of time."
I agree with this statement and your mind is completely closed, so fuck off already.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai I cant give you a reason why your life should be perpetuated. Feel free to end it. If you are replying to this thread in 20 mins ill assume that you are also playing a 'game' and as such are not just perpetuating your life but also being a hypocrite.
I find that perpetuating life is more interesting than not doing so, though both options may be pointless in the universal time scale, i think it would be pointless sooner to advocate the end of life.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai
Now belie your nature again with another set of colourful language please. That makes me chuckle.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
I haven't told you to fuck off three times in order to belie my nature, you moron. I did it because you don't answer my questions and yet you act like I'm the one saying stupid shit.
I'm not claiming to be exempt from this game, and if "I think it's more interesting than not doing so" is all you have to 4 billion years of suffering, then you fail.
Living my life in acceptance of the fact that life is unnecessary and serves no rational purpose doesn't make me a hypocrite.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Oh hai :)
Nice to see you didnt kil yourself and as such proving that you are playing a game and also a hypocrite since you have proved that you think your life is worth perpetuating.
I answered your question. I said there was slightly more point to existing than to not existing since there by definition can be nothing as pointless as not existing.
If you believe otherwise, why not just take action and end your life? I would if i thought that...
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
Also when I comment about perpetuating life, I don't mean my life or your life, I'm talking about procreating. I'm pretty sure you know this, but saying "you're a hypocrite if you continue to live" is much easier than dealing with the actual subject of why you THINK Gary is wrong, and why, if you think his philosophies are so fucking absurd, do you continue to waste your time talking about such a thing that cannot be changed? Your words not mine.
Food for thought.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Same reason that everyone talks about things that cannot be changed. Although, opinions can be changed, the fundamentals of life, or in my example the substance of materials, cannot.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
I didn't bother with this before because of how absurd it is, but since I'm having fun, here goes.
"I said there was slightly more point to existing than to not existing since there by definition can be nothing as pointless as not existing."
So because life exists, taking further risks with human lives, by multiplying for no reasons other than 'creatures have been doing it for billions of years', and 'I think it's better than nothing' is the rational thing to do?
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Also, no one is saying life serves a rational purpose apart from the religious. Though being alive is in and of its self an interesting sensation that deserves to be explored.
Ill be frank. Inmendham is a depressed person. He is correct that there is no purpose to life. He is far from he first to say this. He lives a life of deprivation and rather than making his own life better he derides other peoples in an attempt to address the inequity of the situation he placed himself in.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
"being alive is in and of its self an interesting sensation that deserves to be explored."
So if your life was spent drooling in a wheelchair, horribly disfigured, unable to eat, unable to move, unable to talk, and in constant pain and discomfort every second of every day for 80 years, you'd choose that over nothing? Or the life of a peasant who was brutally tortured for years in the Tower of London for example.
Yes please? No thanks? Take your time and think it through.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
Little thought experiment; if you knew for a fact before you conceived a child it'd grow up to be (heaven's forbid) exactly like Gary, with the same alleged chronic depression that makes him hate the world (but doesn't stop him from trying his best to change the world for the better by dedicating a big part of his life to it, or spending hours talking, laughing, and joking in stickam every saturday night)...
Would you conceive him? You'd hate him, and he'd resent you...
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
Aren't you the guy who said: "I think i made it clear that talking about things that cannot be altered is a gross waste of time"?
Do you honestly believe that you will alter inmendham's philosophy with your shitty little comments? If not, you've wasted a hell of a lot of your life. Fuck you and your petty existence on YouTube, right from the bottom of my heart.
Run along, and take you shiny little lollipop with you. ---O
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Inmendham is expressing his opinion, and so am i. My life is mine to use and since i dont watch tv or (lol) study japanese culture, i can spend it however i like :)
You are obviously a protective but angry person, and would only harm any cause that you lend yourself towards by further reinforcing the general view that inmendhams personality cult attracts people that are damaged in some way.
Just to reiterate, no one disagrees with him on the facts, just the conclusion. tata
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Well, some of the facts maybe. The historical/scientific facts he pulls straight from his intuition for example are often ropey. If science was as simple as believing something strongly with no investigation, we would be far ahead of where we are now :)
Please tell me to fuck off some more now, not only does it make my penis harder, it also makes me laugh since it is you who are and have been pursuing this conversation since the beginning.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
You left a cuntish comment, I left one for you. I'd of been happy to leave it at that.
To sum up, your comments consist of ad-hom and mushy crap that you pulled out your arse. You've said that I should kill myself for suggesting that you have no rational basis for why you think Gary is wrong when he says that life shouldn't be perpetuated by fuckers like you, who think it's ok 'cause you have a tingly feeling in your vagina, and your comments demonstrate this perfectly. End.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Its not ad hom unless it is unrelated to the argument. I think inmenhdams depression and mental illness is a factor in his philosophy os that is not an ad hom. My initial remark was neither cuntish or ad hom, it was an analogy.
So i take it you are never going to have children?
And instead of asking me to shut up to end this, something which you have absolutely no control over, why not just stop commenting if it upsets you so much?
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"Its not ad hom unless it is unrelated to the argument."
Saying that his philosophy (exists and/or is wrong) because he is depressed, without a valid counter argument explaining why he's wrong (not how you feel that he's wrong) is an ad-hom. Also I'm not telling you to shut up nor am I getting upset, I'm saying make a valid point or fuck off, and you refuse to do either of those things.
I wont ever have children, what makes it okay for you to impose life (need) on someone else?
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai I have said time after time why his conclusions about life are based on his depression. Saying that life is pointless and that pleasure is irrelevant while suffering is paramount is not an objective truth, its just the way many depressed people feel.
You evade my question and pose one of your own on a failed assumption. I do not hate inmendham. Also, i dont think trying to help the world is his primary goal, ironically, he is trying to justify his existence.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
Which question have I evaded? You've distorted and evaded my questions from the start.
"Saying that life is pointless and that pleasure is irrelevant while suffering is paramount is not an objective truth, its just the way many depressed people feel."
Life is pointless, and he's never said that pleasure is irrelevant (but a major pleasure is nothing compared to a major pain), however your pleasure is irrelevant in a discussion about 4 billion years of carnage.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai And also, you seem pretty angry to me. I am making valid points. Just because you dont agree with them doesnt make them invalid. Getting angry because you cannot rebut an opposing argument is a pretty common thing though i guess.
Good for you to never have children. Personally i am grateful for my life along with most other people who get to ponder the strangeness of reality in all its brutal glory. If my children dont feel the same way, they are welcome to kill themselves.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
"If my children dont feel the same way, they are welcome to kill themselves."
That figures.
So would you choose the miserable, disfigured, crippled, painful, terrible life over not existing at all, or would you prefer not to answer that? And would you choose that life for your children too, if that was the only alternative to having no children?
Cute how you think "being alive is in and of its self an interesting sensation that deserves to be explored. is a valid point.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai I think the numbers are against you here. Only a small proportion of people are miserable, disfigured, crippled or in pain.
Inmendham says that a circumcised penis doesnt know what its missing because how the brain wires itself, but even people in relative poverty work the same way, i.e. you cant miss what you dont have. Only a very small fraction of people will be set to live lives of a kind you depict here, so yes, i think if people want to take that risk, it is acceptable.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
Taking that risk with a child is acceptable to you. Okay, that's all I needed to hear.
So would you choose that life over not existing? Numbers have nothing to do with you answering the question honestly, there are people who live like that, and there's always a risk of it. Yes, you can't miss what you don't have, but you don't need to have been in a better situation in the past to suffer horribly...
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Risk has everything to do with numbers, unless there is another type of statistics im am not aware of. Avoiding all risk would be nice but it isnt any sort of practical.
Again, the vast majority of people do not suffer horribly, so why should i respond to the risk as if a single person who is suffering = all people suffering like inmendham presupposes?
Aspartame69 1 year ago
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@Aspartame69
If you're not willing to live the life of those who live the worst existence on earth, whether it's a tiny fractional percentage or not, you have no leg to stand on, and your 'it's more interesting to do so' 'it's better than non-existence' argument falls.
"why should i respond to the risk as if a single person who is suffering = all people suffering like inmendham presupposes?"
He doesn't say anything close to that. Fail on that one.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai What is cute is that i answer all your questions even though you imply i dont, and you accuse me of making no valid points while all you do is call them cute in order to rebut them lol.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
@Aspartame69
"What is cute is that i answer all your questions even though you imply i dont, and you accuse me of making no valid points while all you do is call them cute in order to rebut them lol."
If that's the case why did I have to ask you if you'd choose the crippled painful life over non-existence twice? And why haven't you answered it yet? I've exposed your arguments as subjective nonsense, it's there for all to see, distort all you want, it doesn't change a thing.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai You didnt ask that, you asked if i would chose that for my child. I said i would take the risk, hense i was answering the question more honestly and practically than you posed it since at no point would i get to chose to have a disabled child.
I have clearly stated why inmendhams arguments are subjective, please take the time to do so with mine rather than just stating it which is apparently a habit of yours :)
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
"being alive is in and of its self an interesting sensation that deserves to be explored"
If that is a statement of fact, then you'd be more than able and willing to answer yes to my HYPOTHETICAL question. I asked multiple times if you'd choose the cripple life over non-existence, I posed 'the would you choose it for you kid if the alternate was no kid' question once only, RIGHT NEXT TO my initial question and you moved the fucking goalposts, because you have no answer.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai That was subjective, but you already made it personal at that point by asking me what i thought. I stated earlier that not existing is even more pointless than existing. Existing at least allows for subjective points while not existing allows for no point what-so-ever.
Also, your hypothetical question is best answered by disabled people including a relative of mine who live lives that they deem worthwhile even though they struggle with certain aspects.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
If you're not willing to live the lives of the worst off people on the planet, no matter how tiny of a percentage they happen to be, then your arguments of 'it's more interesting to do so' and 'existing is better than not existing' doesn't mean shit!
Fuck your disabled relative, and fuck you for choosing to play that card, 'struggling with certain aspects' is not the worst suffering imaginable!! Either answer the question or admit that you can't answer it without looking incredibly silly.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai The worst suffering imaginable is even rarer than any of the standards of suffering you have brought forward up to now. Saying that we should not procreate en mass because there is a remote chance than one of the children may suffer beyond imagination is a stretch beyond imagination. I have to be honest and say that statistically, people who are disabled in massive numbers decide to live out their lives, so that is as honestly as i can answer the question again.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
@Aspartame69
"Saying that we should not procreate en mass because there is a remote chance than one of the children may suffer..."
That's not what I'm saying, millions of people suffer horribly every day, maybe not the worst torturous suffering imaginable, but would you choose to be a poor, abused and exploited child in some shitty aids and malaria ridden, war torn shit-hole in the 3rd world over non-existence?
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Im not sure, lets ask them shall we? I get the feeling they even they are not commiting suicide in large proportions so i guess you can continue to ignore the very people who you claim to be trying to help by sterilizing lol.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
You just don't get it at all, THEY'RE ADDICTED to this life thing just like you and me. You can't say that they wouldn't be better off non-existent if you're not willing to trade place with 'em. I didn't ask what they think, they struggle to survive because they're conditioned to think survival is inherently good, they're owned by DNA just like you. You fail to answer my questions and you fail to impress me.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Ok so those that are suffering would be better off non-existant. So we should sterilize people in war torn countries or those who are disabled. Very nice.
What about those in stable countries with a very low chance of birth / health issues who like me (and i assume you), who dont actually suffer. Why should we sterilize? Because there is a very small chance that our kids will not like life? lol. Think again buddy.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
People who's life consists of real harsh suffering, would be better off if they'd never existed, they may not think so, because they're conditioned to survive. Not your fucking disabled granny you twat.
If you could push a button that initiated the life of a poor African kid who's gonna be forced to work and endure terrible suffering, no happy moments just suffering, would you press it or leave it. YOUR CHOICE! Don't boo-hoo about anything else.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Suffering is part of life and accepting that is part of emotional maturity. Some of the saddest moments of my life were also the most stimulating since i was exploring emotions that i never knew i had. Those people are all too well aware of their suffering and it is derogatory for you to assume what they all think just because some depressed mentally disordered recluse said they were addicted. But then derogatory remarks have been your speciality in this conversation.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
Ok, so you're the emotionally mature one, Mr. 'my kids are free to kill themselves if they don't like life'...
WOULD YOU LIKE TO LIVE A HARSH;Y SUFFERING LIFE IN THE 3RD WORLD? IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION. WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER IT?
Is it because the truthful answer it contradicts your entire argument?
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai My kids can do whatever they want within the golden rule, thats about as emotionally mature as you can get.
And i answered your question, i just pointed out that it did nothing to prove your point that no one shouls want to procreate no matter what there circumstances. Inmendham =/= a kid in the third world with no happiness.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Also, are you only suggesting sterilizing people in war torn countries?
Or because there are people who are suffering in war torn countries, should we all stop procreating in some sort of sympathy protest against the suffering?
Maybe we should let them settle their problems and help them to resolve them in a more constructive way, the same way that people of all 1st world governments overthrew direct tyranny and made better lives for ourselves and our descendants.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
Yeah, I'm not having kids because I live in a war torn country, that's what I'm all about! You nailed it!
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai You are the one using war torn countries as an example of why people who dont live there should not have kids lol.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
nope, I'm asking you if you'd wanna live there, and you won't answer, surprise, surprise...
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai But what relevance would that be. Obviously i would prefer not to live there. That is an argument to not live there, not for people who dont live there to not have children lol
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai The arguments you have regurgitated from inmendham work only in the vacuum of other people, i.e. the same environment which spawned them.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
You arguments only work in your distorted mind. I'm sick an' tired of your shit, distort some more, declare victory, thumb up your comments some more, I couldn't care less.
Also you could use this as a handy little escape from the question you'd rather invoke a crippled relative than answer!
Fuck you!
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai i have been completely honest and instead of answering your question directly i have envoked the very people you think would not want to live, who actually in reality decided to continute their lives in overwhelming proportions. lol
You are obviously an emotional person like inmendham, not a good place to be starting from while claiming to have objective truth :)
Also, your paranoia about the thumb is quite sad.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
If you take me saying a lot of lives are hell a lot more bad than good and that I wouldn't want to live that kind of life (and if you're honest neither would you), as meaning that I think that mildly disabled people wouldn't want to live (what they want has nothing to do with my argument, your arguments are all based on what people want, not mine) then you're really dumb.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai I dont have to be honest or dishonest, i can just observe the truth. Those people obviously prefer life to death. Saying they are addicted is in and of itself a proclamation of the worthiness of life.
People who lived 1000 years ago lived relatively terrible lives and now many of us live in relative paradise, so for a large proportion of people the choice to procreate was the correct one. You are the only person ignoring people and facts.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
@BonzaiBankai Also, if life is meaningless, all that is left is what meaning is subjectively placed on life by people. By ignoring people you really are being ignorant.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
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@Aspartame69
"being alive is in and of its self an interesting sensation that deserves to be explored"
If that is a statement of fact, then you'd be more than able and willing to answer yes to my HYPOTHETICAL question. I asked multiple times if you'd choose the cripple life over non-existence, I posed 'the would you choose it for you kid if the alternate was no kid' question once only, RIGHT NEXT TO my initial question and you moved the fucking goalposts, because you have no answer.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
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@Aspartame69
"When he talks about suffering, it is patently obvious he is talking about his own. Narcissistic doesnt even come close to how inmendham uses his subjective intuition to declare objectivity."
If that's what you really believe then you're a hell of a lot dumber than I thought. Here's a lollipop. ---O
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
The truth is fucking harsh, but I accept it, can you say the same?
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago
@Aspartame69
Your comments are about as useful as a knife in the spine.
BonzaiBankai 1 year ago