I totally disagree with Ron on this social conservatism thing, especially that the cornerstone of life being the church. The church is a worse institution than the gov. But the one thing I am glad of is that he wants to convince people of his position, not force it on them with laws. This is what makes, me an atheist, love Ron Paul so much. His son is nothing but a Christian right neocon.
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We all know what DumbMint meant when he said "social conservative". He hates the gays, and he hates abortion doctors. There. Does anyone need more clarification?
@iluvsystemofadown Damn, you're stupider than a bag of hammers. It doesn't mean you hate gay people because you want them to follow the law as opposed to trying to enact Fiat declarations in the court system that ignore the legal process an the rule of law. Marriage is not listed as a federal power, therefore, it defaults to the states by 10th amendment. Same thing with abortion, federal tax money has no place going to fund it, unless it's in the Constitution as an enumerated power. Damn son.
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@bigboss686 I'm stupid...? You're the moron here who replied with something that had absofuckinlutely nothing to do with my comment. Go back into your basement, donkey.
@iluvsystemofadown LMAO, look little guy, you already proved he were a mouth breathing troglodyte with your earlier statement of brazen stupidity. No need to make another comment to further hammer the point home as it was illustrated in crystal clarity with your earlier statement
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@bigboss686 Once again, you prove your impudence and ignorance by simply antagonizing me for statements made against your brick level intellect. Please do reconsider your word choice, it's starting to get a little tedious hearing you moan like a little bitch that you are, thanks :) !
@iluvsystemofadown LOL what a simpleton you are, you really think you have any sort of high ground ignoramus? Your initial comment is blazingly stupid, offers NO evidence an childishly insults the man's name, as opposed to making a real argument. The fact of the matter sir that you are a fraud and imbecile of epic proportions. BTW a brick is substantial in substance, so I'll take that as a complement, whereas your intellect, or lack thereof in the case. Obviously is the consistency of meringue
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@bigboss686 Lmao you sound like a whiny child, Big Ego. Why don't you go do something productive instead of trying your hardest to sound so sophisticated over the webs. You're not impressive anyone, and are making yourself look like the fucking moron that you are. Have a FANTASTIC day, dicktwat :) !
@iluvsystemofadown Meh, considering the height of your "debate technique" is nothing but pathetically childish name calling it's pretty simple to ascertain between the two of us which one is the big dummy, it's obvious to everyone that it's the fellow you see when you look in the mirror in the morning
I speak about the 10th amendment and the rule of law, you called names, oh yeah it's real difficult to figure out who's the moron LOL
@bigboss686 Displaying your sense of stupidity again, I see. You know, for someone who hugs the thesaurus, you sure do forget to put a period at the end of the pile of crap that you write.
Now then, allow me to teach you proof reading of argument. It's simple, even a donkey like yourself can understand it. You go back and re-check the written argument before you. Now then, if you do that, you'll notice you were the bimbo who started the "name calling". Just don't cry.
@iluvsystemofadown Oops, should've realized I was dealing with someone so simpleminded that you require vocabulary under high school level be used to comprehend what's written, should have taken that into account before I conversed with a dummy such as yourself. As far as your other nonsense, your whole earlier statement revolved around calling Senator DeMent "DumbMint" which clearly isn't an "argument", just simple minded name-calling. Best thing you could do is take your own advice dummy ;-)
@bigboss686 The federal gov has the responsibility to ensure equal protection under the law. The federal gov does have a right to overturn state laws. Remember, overturning state laws only returns things to the default position, it doesn't impose anything on the states, it simply says that the states can not deny a citizen of his rights. This is exactly why Roe V. Wade is a valid position. It simply said that the states have no right to pass laws denying a woman an abortion.
@christo930 You're calling a pineapple as a grapefruit. State-granted benefits such as marriage, regardless of the traditional definition of the word "marriage," don't count. The Fourteenth Amendment actually states in part, that citizens shall be afforded "equal protection" under the law, and state-conferred benefits would fall under the rubric of treatment, NOT protection. Far as row V wade it's completely invalid because abortion is not listed. So, it defaults to the states by 10th amendment
@bigboss686 One of the jobs of the fed gov is to overturn unconstitutional state laws. Among other things, anti-abortion laws interfere with the 4th amendment. As for marriage, not only equal protection, but freedom of association is interfered with, as is the ability to contract with another person. I don't believe churches should be forced to marry gay couples if they don't want to, but not the magistrate or the state. You can't pay taxes and have those used to discriminate against you.
@christo930 Oh you're a BIG government libertarian. True, the Fed can overturn laws, provided those laws fall under its scope. Neither abortion or marriage do that so they must default to the states via 10th amendment, the Fed doesn't just get to make up power to utilize, it must be already present. Also, you're stretching freedom of association to its limit, just because you cannot marry does not mean you cant associate, must frends marry you to associate with you? No, your logic is absurd
@bigboss686 No, I am small gov libertarian because I don't want the gov telling women when to have babies or that they MUST have a baby, that they be involved in our medical records and invade our med privacy. Same exact thing with marriage. And I got news for you, marriage predates Christianity, Judaism and most other religions. Ron Paul is with me on this one, you know. Both he and I believe that the gov shouldn't be involved in the marriage business in the first place.
@christo930 LOL You BIG government libertarians crack me up. I suggest you familiarize yourself with RP as you're completely wrong. He doesn't believe in an all-powerful court, he believes, like me, not you, that abortion is a 10th amendment issue, NOT a federal issue for an all-powerful court. Sorry BIG government libertarian. BTW marriage predates recorded history, however, its first reference to God having dominion over it is in Code of Hammurabi. so I got news for you, you're wrong again
@bigboss686 Wrong. Marriage predates religion. Marriage existed in complex societies with governments that recognized marriages before religion came along, certainly before monotheism. Ron Paul Does believe that the gov should NOT be involved in the marriage business, he has said it multiple times. Abortion is a state issue. The only place the fed gov steps in is all out banning of abortions. Using gov force to interfere with reproductive rights is big government, not the other way around.
@christo930 Evidence of the first example of law ever written from before 1800BC linking God to marriage, provide something earlier or admit you don't know what the you're talking about, which is obvious by the way. As far as abortion an RP you know less than nothing ontheissues.)org/TX/Ron_Paul_Abortion(.)htm BTW you're advocating government force to stop states from determining their own law on the subject i.e. you're advocating government interfere with reproductive rights via federal force
@bigboss686 First of all 1800 bce LONG predates Christianity, furthermore, there are references to marriage older than that. Early Christians didn't even marry under the church. Ron Paul believes abortion should be a a state issue (which it is) and I have heard him say repeatedly that the gov shouldn't be involved in marriages in the first place. You want state force to decide reproductive and marital rights. So who is really for big gov here. I want the gov out of our lives.
@christo930 Code of Hammurabi is the first example of law and he said he received law from God, whether it's Christian Jewish or not is irrelevant, religion has first dibs on marriage. Far as who's for big government, it's still you. Abortion/marriage are 10th amendment issues, I think states should be allowed to make these decisions for themselves. You believe in using federal Fiat to FORCE all states to one criteria, inconsistent with the Constitution, so BIG government libertarian it's you
@bigboss686 The default position is freedom, freedom from all levels of gov. The fact that I want one level of gov to stop another level of gov from stomping on my freedoms does not make me a big gov guy. YOU want to use gov force to stop people from getting married, YOU want gov to force women to bear children and you call ME big gov? Besides, anti-gay marriage laws do nothing to stop gays from being gay or living together, all they do is deny them legal recognition.
@christo930 Those issues default to the10th amendment, that means the states decide. If some say yes and others say no then so be it, you only other hand are trying to use FEDERAL FORCE to impose YOUR will on ALL states/people, you've lost this argument. BTW it's NOT tyranny to deny someone something they do NOT have a right to, marriage is a religious institution between man an woman. By your logic to deny someone a Corvette is tyranny. You've a right to equal protection, NOT equal treatment
@bigboss686 The court has the constitutional authority to overturn state laws that are unconstitutional. Denial of right to contract alone is enough to overturn any anti gay marriage bill. There is also equal protection under the law (I don't buy your previous rebuttal). You want to use big gov to force YOUR religious views on others. You, like most Christian right (not libertarian), LOVE big gov when it suits YOUR needs. Anti abortion laws have similar problems like 4th amendment..
@christo930 WRONG, court only has that power if it is listed under the federal enumerated powers, neither marriage, nor abortion are enumerated in the Constitution. Therefore they default to the 10th amendment. tenthamendmentcenter(.)com/2010/01/the-constitution-and-abortion/ Again it is YOU pushing for INCREASED federal power over the issue when the Fed has no claim on it via the Constitution,under the Constitution it is left to the individual state powers to decide, you lose so says Ron Paul
@bigboss686 Do you honestly believe that every single issue in the world needs to be explicitly expressed in the constitution or it becomes a 10th amendment issue? The fed gov has enumerated powers, not enumerated issues. Abortion and marriage are both seriously intertwined with rights outlined in the amendments to the constitution and that is what gives the fed gov the power to overturn state laws that don't respect the constitution.
@christo930 It's not what I believe, it's what the law says. Just because YOU don't like what the law says and what the limits are does not mean that YOU get to use FEDERAL FORCE to twist things to YOUR MORALITY. I've provided you with a plethora of links and evidence that state just the opposite, I've supplied you with evidence showing that Ron Paul himself says you don't know what you're talking about, you provided? Oh that's right your worthless big government opinion.
@christo930 Far as marriage is concerned it's a license to acquire certain government benefits/handouts. Therefore, it falls under treatment, not protection. Just because someone else is getting a handout doesn't mean you're entitled to it. I know difficult concept for you BIG government libertarians to get, but that's the way it is. BTW your bigoted hate directed at religious people is quite disgusting, I'm giving states the right to say yes or no, you're forcing everyone to your point of view.
@bigboss686 WHAT? How can you possibly say something so stupid. Marriage is far more than a license to get gov handouts. It involves custody of children, medical decisions, private benefits, and dozens of others.
You want gov to limit people's freedoms, and call ME a big gov libertarian? NO, you are the one who wants gov force of your morals/principles on other people.
@christo930 Your argument is terrible, marriage licenses are in fact a handout for taxation and several other things, as far as those other things are concerned, you need to make up your mind. If you don't need a marriage license for any of those things. Then the gay marriage issue is moot, if you do then without question a marriage license is a government handouts license. So you're either arguing for something that's completely unnecessary or you're arguing for a government handouts license
Rand Paul is a faux-Libertarian, he's no different from the other Republican demagogues, he said that the Muslims should not build the Mosque / Cultural Center in Manhattan (what kind of Libertarianism is that if that place was legally bought?!!@) and he wants to cut aid to "enemies of Israel" while continuing to provide $3 billion per year to the war criminals of the apartheid state.
Ron Paul is a principled man, Rand Paul is a con man!
@optimistsRUS: Rand Paul doesn't even consider himself a Libertarian, so I'm not sure why Napolitano called him a Libertarian. I agree with everything you had to say though. I guess we're going to have to wait and see how he performs in the Senate before completely demonizing him though. I'm willing to give him a chance. We'll see what his voting record looks like after a couple of years. Peace.
Being a minority citizen I am not too hopeful after he stood on the side of neo-Nazi demagogues who deny the right to have a place of worship. Plus, he wants to cut funding to social programs that save lives while he wants to maintain status quo on using tax money to killing people around the world, continuing wars, continuing running the empire around the world (which Ron Paul totally opposes). A pseudo-libertarian like him could probably be a good corporate shill.
yeah Ron Paul is NOT intimidated by the rich jewish fu cks who own our politicians.. I think he and Kucinuch are the only two not controlled by the Zionist lobby..
True, there are a few others like Cynthia McKinney, Mike Gravel, Keith Ellison and a few others but 75% of the Senators and Representatives are sworn supporters of Zionist terrorism, they literally sign "We support Israel no matter what" kind of letters every now and then!
"It's never the same to say that you are "free" than actually having fredom... In another term maybe pretending to try to define a difference of the word "independent" from "free" but more in the idea which one is more practical and "present" within modern society, yet latter discovering whats really our main problems, unknowingly living life under the claim of having freedom, but sadly, not having any at all..."
There are plenty of people who know 9-11 was exactly blowback. Even the CIA and FBI can acknowledge that. You still believe they attacked us because they hate our freedom? If that's was truly the case, don't you think Canada would also be a target for them? All you have to do is listen to what Bin Laden has been saying to know the reason they attack us is because we have been overthrowing governments, occupying their land and dropping bombs on them for half a century.
How is their response pissing on their libertarian roots? I thought they were great answers. The they, themselves are socially conservative but in no way, shape or form should Government be involved in social issues. Government not being involved in social issues, sounds quite libertarian to me.
I meant that i was disappointed that they think society should regulate individual behavior, because i think NO ONE should. Ron said the social responsibility is on "the individual, the family, the churches, and the community"; those last 3 items in the list are bullshit. And if that wasn't enough, Rand's response after that (at 6:53) was even worse.
"Sounds quite libertarian" huh? You need your ears checked.
Public Policy is a "social contract" of adhesion which only requires a benefit to become enforceable.
Using "Federal Reserve Notes", a fiat (counterfeit) promissory note to discharge our debt is that benefit which dissolves all REAL Constitutional limitations on Federal power and replaces Constitutional limitations on the Federal Gov’t with Statutory limitations on WE, the People.
veradinx is right. I will just add that we should all be more optimistic of Rand. He has a foundation that's remarkably like his dad's. Although he has a much more serious demeanor than his father. Ron Paul smiles more, and of course he's beloved by many people, including myself, whether he smiles or not. But my point is, he's easier to connect to on that emotional level; and if we look at these men objectively, purely on their positions, there's a heap to love about Rand too.
@anonymousbl00dlust - You know NOTHING of Libertarians or their principles if you think that they in any way support government management of social behavior. Ron Paul's response was a traditionally Libertarian one in that he believes people should be moral in their dealings with family and other but it must not...MUST NOT...be forced upon them by government mandate. Your ignorance does you absolutely NO credit. Do some actual reading, please.
@anonymousbl00dlust how so? in a free society, an individual is allowed to be socially conservative. ron may be one as well but he wouldn't advocate using government as an apparatus to change me from a social liberal to a social conservative.
@onetondrumbum - Rand isn't a 'company man', he's just trying his best to stand out as an individual in spite of sharing 99% of his father's ideals. This is why he makes the points they differ on so obvious, imho. He just wants to be recognized as a different person but with the same agenda and constitutional values.
Did Rand Paul just admit he's putting up a front on live TV?
So not only did he defer back to fiscal matters when asked a question about social conservatism (as much of a misnomer that is) but he also just put words in "the Tea Party's" mouth saying they don't care about civil issues.
Well...I guess everyone gets a second chance. We'll see how Rand does.
It's true that this system cannot be sustained, but if we were to create a system based on new energy sources then the entire dynamic of society would be changed.
@riethc That would be nice but I think it is unlikely as long as big oil is in charge. I think we will have to let the whole system crash so they don't have the same power as they do now. Then, and I think only then, we will be allowed to use and take advantage of alternate energy sources.
Man, looking at the comments, ron pual supporters want too much, this is why as much as I love ron paul, I want nothing to do with their supporters. I would be the executed as a true believer if Ron Paul was elected,
Jim DeMint well knows that libertarians make up a huge amount of support for Tea Partiers. DeMint wants social conservatives to take over and tell ppl how to live but libertarians will keep that from happening. Religion is a private matter. social morals are also a private thing. The Pauls rock! The TEA PARTY is all about the economy. As soon as they stray into social mores they will loose the libertarians who support them.
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I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. Jim Demint is in a completely different reality. People should have a right to do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others, how is that so wrong?
My god, I like Ron Paul... But his followers are in a cult.... Ron Paul would do everything he says, but Rand Paul is a fake, how obvious could it get?
Seriously, one of them is good, the other is a corrupt retard....
@Farf90, Why is Rand Paul a fraud? I'm a fan of the Paul family, but seriously, if you have evidence to validate your claim i certainly must weigh it in on Rand. Thanks for posting.
I am a fiscal conservative and social liberal. I just don't get the idea of how a fiscal conservative also has to be a social conservative. One says limited government on fiscal issues and the other says lots of government of social ones.
I think DeMints point is that the need for things like welfare & food stamps are caused by people not living their lives with good values. IE) Single mother of two needs welfare & foodstamps to feed her children. If she had good values, she's have waited until she was w/ a good man who would actually support her, instead of asking big government to play daddy. Personally I am with you on this issue but I can see where DeMint is coming from!
@asphyxiafeeling A sinlge mother doesn't need welfare. I had a single mother and 3 other little brothers, 1 is in a wheelchair. She worked as a delivery driver for a private company delivering anything from blood samples, or money (Usually checks) to banks. She only got paid $800 a week and she never used government help. In fact friends, my brother's doctor and other foundations helped my mother sometimes, but we never asked the gov't for help.Now I'm a 30yr old pharmacist with 2 kids of my own
To @AFRIKTODAY: No, Rand is neither a politician nor a statesman, man out of all things? -- Just a young boy who still needs to grow up and be himself. But that is hard to do with a religious plain-fool wife by his side, and some chickens in the roost. What would really make him into a man is to suffer for a few years in Cuba or Venezuela. I don't quite wish him the Siberia of Soltzenitzin.
is it true Rand is speaking about austerity measures? have we heard him mention something to that effect? he needs to clarify what austerity means if that is what he is speaking about. some libertarian/independant organizations are equating it to obama's ajenda and labeling him. it shouldn't create division amogn like minded people.
To quest2k: of course, he is better than any of the socialist/Marxist lefthanded freaks, including the supposedly legitimate president?really? of the US. Just ask that freak for his birth certificate, what do you think he will say to evade the issue?
I see all these negative comments on Rand and calling him a fake but do you think Ron Paul really would have have went through all the trouble he did helping his son raise money if he were a neo-con? Do you guys think Ron is Stupid? Rand might not be a hardcore libertarian like his pop but he is still light years better than any senator on capitol hill today and I think he will do a great job following the constitution and up holding it. give the guy a chance before blasting him.
I agree that the Pauls should stick to economics, which is what they're best at. However there is a larger problem in how 'the right' has utterly failed in blocking the 'liberal' social policies that have caused the very situation DeMint laments. The right has demonstrated an inability to defend ideas beyond appeals to religion, even though these same ideas led to the successful free market economy of the past. We can not fix the economics without addressing disruptive ideologies, eg feminism.
@otacon451: Thanks for your reply. Many people would have responded with a knee-jerk recitation of their received 'knowledge' that feminism is only about equality. Actually, it is one of the main pillars of big government and causes a massive detrimental distortion in the economy. I highly recommend you google 'The Misandry Bubble' to learn more. It can easily be appreciated by anybody who understands free markets.
@livefreeordie2008: Not stupid at all, even by your standards. The character limit wouldn't have allowed me to fit in 'foreign policy, and domestic policy' but rest assured that I fully agree with you on that. Even so, that wasn't the point of my post.
I never liked the curly boy, compared to the straight-faced father. Rand should go back to Texas and dig potatoes for the real cowaboys to eat. I bet they would never imagine that little Randy knows how to ride a horse...
The problem with how we look at social issues is how we group them together. Abortion and Euthanasia are acts of homicide and therefore violate the victim's natural right to live, gay marriage and marijuana use however are not acts of homicide or even aggression and ergo shouldn't be lumped in with the former issues of bioethics.
The Pauls are a great family for all the good Jeffersonian political values, except that they are too lukewarm on religion, what they call "social values." Face it, Dr. and Dr., if you know what evidence means, there is no future for the completely unrealistic God fantasy. Get down on your knees, not like Glenn Beck, to show off to his children, but to the unvarnished truth, which is, indeed, the only thing that will set us free, preserve our freedom, and the God fiction has no part in it.
Yes, education is everything. I had a good chance to hear a public lecture by a professor of Constitutional Law from the American University who suggested that we must revise the Constitution completely because it allowed for the slavery in at least 7 or 8 passages, needless to say, unquoted in public.
sure rand's positions are generally preferable to almost all other politicians, but you have to look at the effect his bullshit is going to have
unlike his father ron, he is not a revolutionary. he is simply a conservative statist known for his father's success. unfortunately, he continues to seize upon his father's success and REDIRECT the anti-state movement toward retarded conservative same-ol' statism
he is essentially killing the "revolution". a wolf in disguise, he is the worst man alive
@BroBroDude your point is valid. i thought the same thing when i heard him speak. i assume (big word) that it is a conservative cover tog et elected, and his views are core libertarian... at least more so than the usual bought up conservative.
@BroBroDude "the worst man alive" seems a little extreme. let's see how he does first. i suspect that he is more like his dad than he let on during the campaign process.
@BroBroDude but it is definitely good to see that you are not simply falling in love with someone because they seem a little better than some of the other main options.
Jim DeMint. You idiot. You're about to lose my support. Stick to the core issues Tea Party. Smal Gov't, Low Taxes, Freedom. Don't start bringing abortion and evolution into this.
@sugarkang -- you're so right. The man is being political, but it will come back to bite him. This is a guy who has not really walked the walk with regard to shrinking government, and his long record shows this.
@Nuedad What do you mean by stateman? Ron put his view on plain sight and isn't afraid of what some people might think. Rand waffles around too much! Now, this doesn't mean that I dislike him but he is certainly not as good as Ron Paul. You can go back to Ron Paul early career's days and his positions have never changed. No playing with words like Rand does. I think he is a Libertarian, maybe not an anarcho capitalist like Ron!
@mrdoonbeg: He's great on issues of spending and right on with issues regarding the Fed..... BUT.. His views on foreign policy "It our (the USA's) fault that We were attacked on 9/11" mentality etc.... He's an isolationist in his thinking. ...essentially, he IS the Dennis Kucinich of the GOP. ...He should stay in Congress. He'll just lead to defeat on a national stage.
Do you even know about US foreign policy, what the US has been doing to the whole world since 1945? That US has more than 1000 bases around the world? That the US has intervened in more than 50 countries, tried to topple more than 50 elected governments around the world, never apologized? 9/11 commission report also says it was a "blowback" (retaliation) for our support of ruthless dictators and Israeli apartheid.
You simply stated that Ron Paul is a nut-job without backing your comment.....And besides I don't think that was a disagreement at all...more like an insult. Like you just did now... :)
@JAXEVANS - Its his world view not his domestic policy agenda/ideas. He's right on about the Fed. He believes that 9/11 and other terror attacks were the fault of the USA, some sort of bullshit "blowback" as he calls it. ...I'll leave it at that because its enough to garner him the same vote tally that he received in 08. Wishful thinking is all that the supporter of this nutjob have going for them.
@mkwilliams Jesus..you have to be the most uninformed troll on the net. Ron Paul IS FOR TERM LIMITS.and HAS SAID THIS MANY TIMES. Do your homework before trolling.
@AFRIKTODAY Both are politicians, don't think for a minute Ron Paul hasn't been in Congress for as long as he has been, without having a few cards up his sleeve...He just does things a different way, but don't be fooled.
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@sugarkang "That's too harsh. You need to see things in degrees and not be so extreme. I also prefer Ron, but Rand is still 80% the man."
no he is not; he is so fucking terrible
even worse than his shitty positions is the fact that the momentum his father has generated will be siphoned off by him in favor of his meaningless statist "change", rather than the significant change ron stands for
rand paul is basically the worst thing in the world
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DedHedJosh 5 months ago
if i was on the show, there would be 4 libertarians :D
iluvpoliticzz 5 months ago
I totally disagree with Ron on this social conservatism thing, especially that the cornerstone of life being the church. The church is a worse institution than the gov. But the one thing I am glad of is that he wants to convince people of his position, not force it on them with laws. This is what makes, me an atheist, love Ron Paul so much. His son is nothing but a Christian right neocon.
christo930 1 year ago
USA troops are in 130 counties ...wake up u mofo's
2020starman 1 year ago
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We all know what DumbMint meant when he said "social conservative". He hates the gays, and he hates abortion doctors. There. Does anyone need more clarification?
iluvsystemofadown 1 year ago
@iluvsystemofadown Damn, you're stupider than a bag of hammers. It doesn't mean you hate gay people because you want them to follow the law as opposed to trying to enact Fiat declarations in the court system that ignore the legal process an the rule of law. Marriage is not listed as a federal power, therefore, it defaults to the states by 10th amendment. Same thing with abortion, federal tax money has no place going to fund it, unless it's in the Constitution as an enumerated power. Damn son.
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@bigboss686 I'm stupid...? You're the moron here who replied with something that had absofuckinlutely nothing to do with my comment. Go back into your basement, donkey.
iluvsystemofadown 1 year ago
@iluvsystemofadown LMAO, look little guy, you already proved he were a mouth breathing troglodyte with your earlier statement of brazen stupidity. No need to make another comment to further hammer the point home as it was illustrated in crystal clarity with your earlier statement
bigboss686 1 year ago 13
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@bigboss686 Once again, you prove your impudence and ignorance by simply antagonizing me for statements made against your brick level intellect. Please do reconsider your word choice, it's starting to get a little tedious hearing you moan like a little bitch that you are, thanks :) !
iluvsystemofadown 1 year ago
@iluvsystemofadown LOL what a simpleton you are, you really think you have any sort of high ground ignoramus? Your initial comment is blazingly stupid, offers NO evidence an childishly insults the man's name, as opposed to making a real argument. The fact of the matter sir that you are a fraud and imbecile of epic proportions. BTW a brick is substantial in substance, so I'll take that as a complement, whereas your intellect, or lack thereof in the case. Obviously is the consistency of meringue
bigboss686 1 year ago 9
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@bigboss686 Lmao you sound like a whiny child, Big Ego. Why don't you go do something productive instead of trying your hardest to sound so sophisticated over the webs. You're not impressive anyone, and are making yourself look like the fucking moron that you are. Have a FANTASTIC day, dicktwat :) !
iluvsystemofadown 1 year ago
@iluvsystemofadown Meh, considering the height of your "debate technique" is nothing but pathetically childish name calling it's pretty simple to ascertain between the two of us which one is the big dummy, it's obvious to everyone that it's the fellow you see when you look in the mirror in the morning
I speak about the 10th amendment and the rule of law, you called names, oh yeah it's real difficult to figure out who's the moron LOL
bigboss686 1 year ago 5
@bigboss686 Displaying your sense of stupidity again, I see. You know, for someone who hugs the thesaurus, you sure do forget to put a period at the end of the pile of crap that you write.
Now then, allow me to teach you proof reading of argument. It's simple, even a donkey like yourself can understand it. You go back and re-check the written argument before you. Now then, if you do that, you'll notice you were the bimbo who started the "name calling". Just don't cry.
Toodles. ^.^
iluvsystemofadown 1 year ago
@iluvsystemofadown Oops, should've realized I was dealing with someone so simpleminded that you require vocabulary under high school level be used to comprehend what's written, should have taken that into account before I conversed with a dummy such as yourself. As far as your other nonsense, your whole earlier statement revolved around calling Senator DeMent "DumbMint" which clearly isn't an "argument", just simple minded name-calling. Best thing you could do is take your own advice dummy ;-)
bigboss686 1 year ago 3
@bigboss686 Lulz, more whining from big ego.
iluvsystemofadown 1 year ago
@bigboss686 The federal gov has the responsibility to ensure equal protection under the law. The federal gov does have a right to overturn state laws. Remember, overturning state laws only returns things to the default position, it doesn't impose anything on the states, it simply says that the states can not deny a citizen of his rights. This is exactly why Roe V. Wade is a valid position. It simply said that the states have no right to pass laws denying a woman an abortion.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 You're calling a pineapple as a grapefruit. State-granted benefits such as marriage, regardless of the traditional definition of the word "marriage," don't count. The Fourteenth Amendment actually states in part, that citizens shall be afforded "equal protection" under the law, and state-conferred benefits would fall under the rubric of treatment, NOT protection. Far as row V wade it's completely invalid because abortion is not listed. So, it defaults to the states by 10th amendment
bigboss686 1 year ago 4
@bigboss686 One of the jobs of the fed gov is to overturn unconstitutional state laws. Among other things, anti-abortion laws interfere with the 4th amendment. As for marriage, not only equal protection, but freedom of association is interfered with, as is the ability to contract with another person. I don't believe churches should be forced to marry gay couples if they don't want to, but not the magistrate or the state. You can't pay taxes and have those used to discriminate against you.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 Oh you're a BIG government libertarian. True, the Fed can overturn laws, provided those laws fall under its scope. Neither abortion or marriage do that so they must default to the states via 10th amendment, the Fed doesn't just get to make up power to utilize, it must be already present. Also, you're stretching freedom of association to its limit, just because you cannot marry does not mean you cant associate, must frends marry you to associate with you? No, your logic is absurd
bigboss686 1 year ago 4
@bigboss686 No, I am small gov libertarian because I don't want the gov telling women when to have babies or that they MUST have a baby, that they be involved in our medical records and invade our med privacy. Same exact thing with marriage. And I got news for you, marriage predates Christianity, Judaism and most other religions. Ron Paul is with me on this one, you know. Both he and I believe that the gov shouldn't be involved in the marriage business in the first place.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 LOL You BIG government libertarians crack me up. I suggest you familiarize yourself with RP as you're completely wrong. He doesn't believe in an all-powerful court, he believes, like me, not you, that abortion is a 10th amendment issue, NOT a federal issue for an all-powerful court. Sorry BIG government libertarian. BTW marriage predates recorded history, however, its first reference to God having dominion over it is in Code of Hammurabi. so I got news for you, you're wrong again
bigboss686 1 year ago 4
@bigboss686 Wrong. Marriage predates religion. Marriage existed in complex societies with governments that recognized marriages before religion came along, certainly before monotheism. Ron Paul Does believe that the gov should NOT be involved in the marriage business, he has said it multiple times. Abortion is a state issue. The only place the fed gov steps in is all out banning of abortions. Using gov force to interfere with reproductive rights is big government, not the other way around.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 Evidence of the first example of law ever written from before 1800BC linking God to marriage, provide something earlier or admit you don't know what the you're talking about, which is obvious by the way. As far as abortion an RP you know less than nothing ontheissues.)org/TX/Ron_Paul_Abortion(.)htm BTW you're advocating government force to stop states from determining their own law on the subject i.e. you're advocating government interfere with reproductive rights via federal force
bigboss686 1 year ago 4
@bigboss686 First of all 1800 bce LONG predates Christianity, furthermore, there are references to marriage older than that. Early Christians didn't even marry under the church. Ron Paul believes abortion should be a a state issue (which it is) and I have heard him say repeatedly that the gov shouldn't be involved in marriages in the first place. You want state force to decide reproductive and marital rights. So who is really for big gov here. I want the gov out of our lives.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 Code of Hammurabi is the first example of law and he said he received law from God, whether it's Christian Jewish or not is irrelevant, religion has first dibs on marriage. Far as who's for big government, it's still you. Abortion/marriage are 10th amendment issues, I think states should be allowed to make these decisions for themselves. You believe in using federal Fiat to FORCE all states to one criteria, inconsistent with the Constitution, so BIG government libertarian it's you
bigboss686 1 year ago 2
@bigboss686 The default position is freedom, freedom from all levels of gov. The fact that I want one level of gov to stop another level of gov from stomping on my freedoms does not make me a big gov guy. YOU want to use gov force to stop people from getting married, YOU want gov to force women to bear children and you call ME big gov? Besides, anti-gay marriage laws do nothing to stop gays from being gay or living together, all they do is deny them legal recognition.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 Those issues default to the10th amendment, that means the states decide. If some say yes and others say no then so be it, you only other hand are trying to use FEDERAL FORCE to impose YOUR will on ALL states/people, you've lost this argument. BTW it's NOT tyranny to deny someone something they do NOT have a right to, marriage is a religious institution between man an woman. By your logic to deny someone a Corvette is tyranny. You've a right to equal protection, NOT equal treatment
bigboss686 1 year ago 2
@bigboss686 The court has the constitutional authority to overturn state laws that are unconstitutional. Denial of right to contract alone is enough to overturn any anti gay marriage bill. There is also equal protection under the law (I don't buy your previous rebuttal). You want to use big gov to force YOUR religious views on others. You, like most Christian right (not libertarian), LOVE big gov when it suits YOUR needs. Anti abortion laws have similar problems like 4th amendment..
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 WRONG, court only has that power if it is listed under the federal enumerated powers, neither marriage, nor abortion are enumerated in the Constitution. Therefore they default to the 10th amendment. tenthamendmentcenter(.)com/2010/01/the-constitution-and-abortion/ Again it is YOU pushing for INCREASED federal power over the issue when the Fed has no claim on it via the Constitution,under the Constitution it is left to the individual state powers to decide, you lose so says Ron Paul
bigboss686 1 year ago 3
@bigboss686 Do you honestly believe that every single issue in the world needs to be explicitly expressed in the constitution or it becomes a 10th amendment issue? The fed gov has enumerated powers, not enumerated issues. Abortion and marriage are both seriously intertwined with rights outlined in the amendments to the constitution and that is what gives the fed gov the power to overturn state laws that don't respect the constitution.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 It's not what I believe, it's what the law says. Just because YOU don't like what the law says and what the limits are does not mean that YOU get to use FEDERAL FORCE to twist things to YOUR MORALITY. I've provided you with a plethora of links and evidence that state just the opposite, I've supplied you with evidence showing that Ron Paul himself says you don't know what you're talking about, you provided? Oh that's right your worthless big government opinion.
bigboss686 1 year ago 3
@christo930 Far as marriage is concerned it's a license to acquire certain government benefits/handouts. Therefore, it falls under treatment, not protection. Just because someone else is getting a handout doesn't mean you're entitled to it. I know difficult concept for you BIG government libertarians to get, but that's the way it is. BTW your bigoted hate directed at religious people is quite disgusting, I'm giving states the right to say yes or no, you're forcing everyone to your point of view.
bigboss686 1 year ago 3
@bigboss686 WHAT? How can you possibly say something so stupid. Marriage is far more than a license to get gov handouts. It involves custody of children, medical decisions, private benefits, and dozens of others.
You want gov to limit people's freedoms, and call ME a big gov libertarian? NO, you are the one who wants gov force of your morals/principles on other people.
christo930 1 year ago
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bigboss686 1 year ago
@christo930 Your argument is terrible, marriage licenses are in fact a handout for taxation and several other things, as far as those other things are concerned, you need to make up your mind. If you don't need a marriage license for any of those things. Then the gay marriage issue is moot, if you do then without question a marriage license is a government handouts license. So you're either arguing for something that's completely unnecessary or you're arguing for a government handouts license
bigboss686 1 year ago 2
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TerrorWarrior5000 1 year ago
Rand Paul is a faux-Libertarian, he's no different from the other Republican demagogues, he said that the Muslims should not build the Mosque / Cultural Center in Manhattan (what kind of Libertarianism is that if that place was legally bought?!!@) and he wants to cut aid to "enemies of Israel" while continuing to provide $3 billion per year to the war criminals of the apartheid state.
Ron Paul is a principled man, Rand Paul is a con man!
optimistsRUS 1 year ago
@optimistsRUS: Rand Paul doesn't even consider himself a Libertarian, so I'm not sure why Napolitano called him a Libertarian. I agree with everything you had to say though. I guess we're going to have to wait and see how he performs in the Senate before completely demonizing him though. I'm willing to give him a chance. We'll see what his voting record looks like after a couple of years. Peace.
Kras3169 1 year ago
@Kras3169
Being a minority citizen I am not too hopeful after he stood on the side of neo-Nazi demagogues who deny the right to have a place of worship. Plus, he wants to cut funding to social programs that save lives while he wants to maintain status quo on using tax money to killing people around the world, continuing wars, continuing running the empire around the world (which Ron Paul totally opposes). A pseudo-libertarian like him could probably be a good corporate shill.
optimistsRUS 1 year ago
@Kras3169 i wonder if / when it gets to that point, if his father will have the political backbone to rebuke him publicly.
wunderbeast 1 year ago
@wunderbeast: hahaha, that would be fuckin GANGSTA! "you're not my son anymore!"
Kras3169 1 year ago
@optimistsRUS
yeah Ron Paul is NOT intimidated by the rich jewish fu cks who own our politicians.. I think he and Kucinuch are the only two not controlled by the Zionist lobby..
xMaXiMuSx 1 year ago
@xMaXiMuSx
True, there are a few others like Cynthia McKinney, Mike Gravel, Keith Ellison and a few others but 75% of the Senators and Representatives are sworn supporters of Zionist terrorism, they literally sign "We support Israel no matter what" kind of letters every now and then!
optimistsRUS 1 year ago
Ron Paul for President 2012!!!!!
God I hope he runs! Just like last time its not important to win, its important to run and spread the message
a4finger 1 year ago 3
LOVING IT!!!!
ponczeq420 1 year ago
Is it Batman and Robin, is it Superman and Aquaman? No It's the Super Pauls.
jayrod59 1 year ago 4
This segment is pretty much a libertarian circle jerk
kuni45 1 year ago
"It's never the same to say that you are "free" than actually having fredom... In another term maybe pretending to try to define a difference of the word "independent" from "free" but more in the idea which one is more practical and "present" within modern society, yet latter discovering whats really our main problems, unknowingly living life under the claim of having freedom, but sadly, not having any at all..."
My old philosophy teacher. : )
VisionsOfTheNobody 1 year ago
@ mkwilliams
There are plenty of people who know 9-11 was exactly blowback. Even the CIA and FBI can acknowledge that. You still believe they attacked us because they hate our freedom? If that's was truly the case, don't you think Canada would also be a target for them? All you have to do is listen to what Bin Laden has been saying to know the reason they attack us is because we have been overthrowing governments, occupying their land and dropping bombs on them for half a century.
KLEEBRIGHT 1 year ago
@anonymousbl00dlust
How is their response pissing on their libertarian roots? I thought they were great answers. The they, themselves are socially conservative but in no way, shape or form should Government be involved in social issues. Government not being involved in social issues, sounds quite libertarian to me.
KLEEBRIGHT 1 year ago
@KLEEBRIGHT epic fail.
I meant that i was disappointed that they think society should regulate individual behavior, because i think NO ONE should. Ron said the social responsibility is on "the individual, the family, the churches, and the community"; those last 3 items in the list are bullshit. And if that wasn't enough, Rand's response after that (at 6:53) was even worse.
"Sounds quite libertarian" huh? You need your ears checked.
anonymousbl00dlust 1 year ago
Down With Fascist NWO Tyranny!
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campaign4liberty 1 year ago
Public Policy is a "social contract" of adhesion which only requires a benefit to become enforceable.
Using "Federal Reserve Notes", a fiat (counterfeit) promissory note to discharge our debt is that benefit which dissolves all REAL Constitutional limitations on Federal power and replaces Constitutional limitations on the Federal Gov’t with Statutory limitations on WE, the People.
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yakyakyak69 1 year ago
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yakyakyak69 1 year ago
veradinx is right. I will just add that we should all be more optimistic of Rand. He has a foundation that's remarkably like his dad's. Although he has a much more serious demeanor than his father. Ron Paul smiles more, and of course he's beloved by many people, including myself, whether he smiles or not. But my point is, he's easier to connect to on that emotional level; and if we look at these men objectively, purely on their positions, there's a heap to love about Rand too.
heymisterderp 1 year ago
under US constitution, men who stick their schlongs into other men's peegoos are committing criminal acts.
sinitskyd 1 year ago
Ron & Rand's responses to that last question were really disappointing. Way to piss all over your libertarian roots :(
anonymousbl00dlust 1 year ago
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veradinx 1 year ago
@anonymousbl00dlust - You know NOTHING of Libertarians or their principles if you think that they in any way support government management of social behavior. Ron Paul's response was a traditionally Libertarian one in that he believes people should be moral in their dealings with family and other but it must not...MUST NOT...be forced upon them by government mandate. Your ignorance does you absolutely NO credit. Do some actual reading, please.
veradinx 1 year ago 2
@anonymousbl00dlust how so? in a free society, an individual is allowed to be socially conservative. ron may be one as well but he wouldn't advocate using government as an apparatus to change me from a social liberal to a social conservative.
wunderbeast 1 year ago
I hope these men would never disappoint me. They are the last hope.
sov19871987 1 year ago
Rand is no Ron. You see politician written all over his face, you hear it in his over rehearsed answers, and he's already towing the party line.
onetondrumbum 1 year ago
@onetondrumbum You may be right.
xxNutcasexx 1 year ago
@onetondrumbum - Rand isn't a 'company man', he's just trying his best to stand out as an individual in spite of sharing 99% of his father's ideals. This is why he makes the points they differ on so obvious, imho. He just wants to be recognized as a different person but with the same agenda and constitutional values.
veradinx 1 year ago
Did Rand Paul just admit he's putting up a front on live TV?
So not only did he defer back to fiscal matters when asked a question about social conservatism (as much of a misnomer that is) but he also just put words in "the Tea Party's" mouth saying they don't care about civil issues.
Well...I guess everyone gets a second chance. We'll see how Rand does.
pharmakon11 1 year ago
These guys are not constitutionalists. They're the controlled opposition of the mainstream celebrity/politicial culture.
riethc 1 year ago
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zrzr4 1 year ago 2
Without earmarks, the old guard is stripped of some power. It would make a more level playing field, which they don't like.
Earmarks = progress. How can we have progress without pet projects, kick backs and rigged elections?
jag10 1 year ago
even if we get an audit will it be another bullshit job like the 9-11 investigation?
stpthreat1 1 year ago 2
Talk talk talk. We are all screwed. But as we were taught in school this system can not be sustained (a system based off of nonrenewable resources).
uhateusaFU 1 year ago
@uhateusaFU "this system can not be sustained"
It's true that this system cannot be sustained, but if we were to create a system based on new energy sources then the entire dynamic of society would be changed.
riethc 1 year ago
@riethc That would be nice but I think it is unlikely as long as big oil is in charge. I think we will have to let the whole system crash so they don't have the same power as they do now. Then, and I think only then, we will be allowed to use and take advantage of alternate energy sources.
uhateusaFU 1 year ago
Man, looking at the comments, ron pual supporters want too much, this is why as much as I love ron paul, I want nothing to do with their supporters. I would be the executed as a true believer if Ron Paul was elected,
icemilitia 1 year ago
Well said for a bunch of Freemasons.
fnyklr 1 year ago
@fnyklr Lol you and your youtube videos about invisble people.
maradona2 1 year ago
Demint started the reccession.
twistedfool420 1 year ago
Jim DeMint well knows that libertarians make up a huge amount of support for Tea Partiers. DeMint wants social conservatives to take over and tell ppl how to live but libertarians will keep that from happening. Religion is a private matter. social morals are also a private thing. The Pauls rock! The TEA PARTY is all about the economy. As soon as they stray into social mores they will loose the libertarians who support them.
sallyeastman 1 year ago
Turn off TV.
Visit Benjamin Fulford site NOW!, Bill Cooper, David Icke, G. E. Griffin, Bill Hicks, Rafael Correa, Paul Craig Roberts, Carol Rosin, Jeff Rense, Alex Jones, We Are Change, Luke Rudkowski.
Try to reach those people who don't know The Truth, like reality show watchers.
VegEdGoku 1 year ago
I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. Jim Demint is in a completely different reality. People should have a right to do whatever they want as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others, how is that so wrong?
VegitoVai90 1 year ago
"Freedom is best when enjoyed by the most."
MooseOfReason 1 year ago
Two Pauls make a right! =)
bkekss 1 year ago 34
@bkekss HAHA! Right on! We are tearing down the TSA, then we are coming after you, FED!
Growingsovereign 1 year ago
Great video, thanks for the post!
EvenKeelMedia 1 year ago
My god, I like Ron Paul... But his followers are in a cult.... Ron Paul would do everything he says, but Rand Paul is a fake, how obvious could it get?
Seriously, one of them is good, the other is a corrupt retard....
Farf90 1 year ago
@Farf90, Why is Rand Paul a fraud? I'm a fan of the Paul family, but seriously, if you have evidence to validate your claim i certainly must weigh it in on Rand. Thanks for posting.
DJTmaq 1 year ago
@Farf90 Cult?
MooseOfReason 1 year ago
I am a fiscal conservative and social liberal. I just don't get the idea of how a fiscal conservative also has to be a social conservative. One says limited government on fiscal issues and the other says lots of government of social ones.
4McClain 1 year ago
@4McClain
I think DeMints point is that the need for things like welfare & food stamps are caused by people not living their lives with good values. IE) Single mother of two needs welfare & foodstamps to feed her children. If she had good values, she's have waited until she was w/ a good man who would actually support her, instead of asking big government to play daddy. Personally I am with you on this issue but I can see where DeMint is coming from!
asphyxiafeeling 1 year ago
@asphyxiafeeling A sinlge mother doesn't need welfare. I had a single mother and 3 other little brothers, 1 is in a wheelchair. She worked as a delivery driver for a private company delivering anything from blood samples, or money (Usually checks) to banks. She only got paid $800 a week and she never used government help. In fact friends, my brother's doctor and other foundations helped my mother sometimes, but we never asked the gov't for help.Now I'm a 30yr old pharmacist with 2 kids of my own
maradona2 1 year ago 2
@asphyxiafeeling, That's a good point.
4McClain 1 year ago
Rand OR Ron for President 2012!
WizardKing78 1 year ago
@WizardKing78
Ron.
Rand is fresh meat, he needs experience.
StanwoodSpartans 1 year ago
If it's necessary?
WTFaboutWTC7 1 year ago
To @AFRIKTODAY: No, Rand is neither a politician nor a statesman, man out of all things? -- Just a young boy who still needs to grow up and be himself. But that is hard to do with a religious plain-fool wife by his side, and some chickens in the roost. What would really make him into a man is to suffer for a few years in Cuba or Venezuela. I don't quite wish him the Siberia of Soltzenitzin.
focus21x 1 year ago
is it true Rand is speaking about austerity measures? have we heard him mention something to that effect? he needs to clarify what austerity means if that is what he is speaking about. some libertarian/independant organizations are equating it to obama's ajenda and labeling him. it shouldn't create division amogn like minded people.
Justice4all311 1 year ago
To quest2k: of course, he is better than any of the socialist/Marxist lefthanded freaks, including the supposedly legitimate president?really? of the US. Just ask that freak for his birth certificate, what do you think he will say to evade the issue?
focus21x 1 year ago 2
"Do we believe in," Rand Paul, is really not the issue, what counts is getting the truth, facts, evidence, not silly faith nonsense.
focus21x 1 year ago 5
I see all these negative comments on Rand and calling him a fake but do you think Ron Paul really would have have went through all the trouble he did helping his son raise money if he were a neo-con? Do you guys think Ron is Stupid? Rand might not be a hardcore libertarian like his pop but he is still light years better than any senator on capitol hill today and I think he will do a great job following the constitution and up holding it. give the guy a chance before blasting him.
quest2k 1 year ago
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quest2k 1 year ago
Too much liberty on my screen at once! And on Fox News!! *head explodes*
WelfareRobot 1 year ago
It is truly amazing that the race-horse state of Kentucky can't find a better jockey to represent them in Congress, let alone elite Senate.
focus21x 1 year ago
Did you know that curly hair used to symbolize evil? That is why Milton in his truly Paradise Lost gave Eve curly hair, certainly not Adam the Man.
focus21x 1 year ago
I agree that the Pauls should stick to economics, which is what they're best at. However there is a larger problem in how 'the right' has utterly failed in blocking the 'liberal' social policies that have caused the very situation DeMint laments. The right has demonstrated an inability to defend ideas beyond appeals to religion, even though these same ideas led to the successful free market economy of the past. We can not fix the economics without addressing disruptive ideologies, eg feminism.
Eincrou 1 year ago
@Eincrou not trying to start a yt comment debate, but what about feminism do you see as disruptivein in brief?
otacon451 1 year ago
@otacon451: Thanks for your reply. Many people would have responded with a knee-jerk recitation of their received 'knowledge' that feminism is only about equality. Actually, it is one of the main pillars of big government and causes a massive detrimental distortion in the economy. I highly recommend you google 'The Misandry Bubble' to learn more. It can easily be appreciated by anybody who understands free markets.
Eincrou 1 year ago
@Eincrou yea forget all their good ideas about foreign policy,domestic policy,just concentrate on economics. How stupid are you?
livefreeordie2008 1 year ago
@livefreeordie2008: Not stupid at all, even by your standards. The character limit wouldn't have allowed me to fit in 'foreign policy, and domestic policy' but rest assured that I fully agree with you on that. Even so, that wasn't the point of my post.
Eincrou 1 year ago
@Eincrou oh ok my bad man the comment seemed like you meant they had no good ideas in those other areas.
livefreeordie2008 1 year ago
I never liked the curly boy, compared to the straight-faced father. Rand should go back to Texas and dig potatoes for the real cowaboys to eat. I bet they would never imagine that little Randy knows how to ride a horse...
focus21x 1 year ago
The problem with how we look at social issues is how we group them together. Abortion and Euthanasia are acts of homicide and therefore violate the victim's natural right to live, gay marriage and marijuana use however are not acts of homicide or even aggression and ergo shouldn't be lumped in with the former issues of bioethics.
MrAbolitionist 1 year ago
The Pauls are a great family for all the good Jeffersonian political values, except that they are too lukewarm on religion, what they call "social values." Face it, Dr. and Dr., if you know what evidence means, there is no future for the completely unrealistic God fantasy. Get down on your knees, not like Glenn Beck, to show off to his children, but to the unvarnished truth, which is, indeed, the only thing that will set us free, preserve our freedom, and the God fiction has no part in it.
focus21x 1 year ago
Yes, education is everything. I had a good chance to hear a public lecture by a professor of Constitutional Law from the American University who suggested that we must revise the Constitution completely because it allowed for the slavery in at least 7 or 8 passages, needless to say, unquoted in public.
focus21x 1 year ago
sure rand's positions are generally preferable to almost all other politicians, but you have to look at the effect his bullshit is going to have
unlike his father ron, he is not a revolutionary. he is simply a conservative statist known for his father's success. unfortunately, he continues to seize upon his father's success and REDIRECT the anti-state movement toward retarded conservative same-ol' statism
he is essentially killing the "revolution". a wolf in disguise, he is the worst man alive
BroBroDude 1 year ago
@BroBroDude your point is valid. i thought the same thing when i heard him speak. i assume (big word) that it is a conservative cover tog et elected, and his views are core libertarian... at least more so than the usual bought up conservative.
GovWillKillU 1 year ago
@GovWillKillU i agree
bigb47 1 year ago
@BroBroDude "the worst man alive" seems a little extreme. let's see how he does first. i suspect that he is more like his dad than he let on during the campaign process.
bigb47 1 year ago
@BroBroDude but it is definitely good to see that you are not simply falling in love with someone because they seem a little better than some of the other main options.
bigb47 1 year ago
We need more Rand and Ron Paul's to help us rid this country of tyrannts and treasonal Liberals/Socialist...
tcald52 1 year ago
I like Rand's positioin on earmarks... But as to whether he'll walk the walk regarding his commitment to smaller government, we'll see. I'm hopeful.
LisaJ4Liberty 1 year ago 9
@LisaJ4Liberty Agreed
DMU555 1 year ago
@LisaJ4Liberty I will tell you now. If history is an indicator of anything. I bet Mr. Rand Paul will follow the money rather than what is moral.
BOYBROU 1 year ago
@LisaJ4Liberty
If he don't, I think Ron is obligated as a father to bend Rand over his knee and set him back on track.
bigredbrent 1 year ago
@bigredbrent -- ah hahaha. I can't quite picture that. (or maybe I just don't want to!)
LisaJ4Liberty 1 year ago
@govwillkillu: I agree 100%
HelpWakePeopleUp 1 year ago
Jim DeMint. You idiot. You're about to lose my support. Stick to the core issues Tea Party. Smal Gov't, Low Taxes, Freedom. Don't start bringing abortion and evolution into this.
sugarkang 1 year ago
@sugarkang -- you're so right. The man is being political, but it will come back to bite him. This is a guy who has not really walked the walk with regard to shrinking government, and his long record shows this.
LisaJ4Liberty 1 year ago
RON PAUL IS A PHILOSOPHER, RAND PAUL IS A POLITICIAN!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago 33
@AFRIKTODAY Ron is a Philosopher and Rand is a Statesman.... dont instult him by throwing him in with that bunch of snakes we know as politicians.
Nuedad 1 year ago 2
@Nuedad What do you mean by stateman? Ron put his view on plain sight and isn't afraid of what some people might think. Rand waffles around too much! Now, this doesn't mean that I dislike him but he is certainly not as good as Ron Paul. You can go back to Ron Paul early career's days and his positions have never changed. No playing with words like Rand does. I think he is a Libertarian, maybe not an anarcho capitalist like Ron!
AFRIKTODAY 1 year ago 2
@AFRIKTODAY Ron Paul is a nutjob, Rand Paul is his son
mkwilliams 1 year ago
@mkwilliams really, why is that?
mrdoonbeg 1 year ago
@mrdoonbeg: He's great on issues of spending and right on with issues regarding the Fed..... BUT.. His views on foreign policy "It our (the USA's) fault that We were attacked on 9/11" mentality etc.... He's an isolationist in his thinking. ...essentially, he IS the Dennis Kucinich of the GOP. ...He should stay in Congress. He'll just lead to defeat on a national stage.
mkwilliams 1 year ago
"It our (the USA's) fault that We were attacked on 9/11" mentality etc
@mkwilliams
Do you even know about US foreign policy, what the US has been doing to the whole world since 1945? That US has more than 1000 bases around the world? That the US has intervened in more than 50 countries, tried to topple more than 50 elected governments around the world, never apologized? 9/11 commission report also says it was a "blowback" (retaliation) for our support of ruthless dictators and Israeli apartheid.
optimistsRUS 1 year ago
@mkwilliams
Oh and by the way there is a country that has been bombing one country or another virtually every year for the last 50+ years. Wanna take a guess?
optimistsRUS 1 year ago
@mkwilliams
Obvious troll is obvious......
JAXEVANS 1 year ago
@JAXEVANS I see, disagree = troll.. thats Liberty ...you F-n hypocrites.
mkwilliams 1 year ago
@mkwilliams
You simply stated that Ron Paul is a nut-job without backing your comment.....And besides I don't think that was a disagreement at all...more like an insult. Like you just did now... :)
JAXEVANS 1 year ago
@JAXEVANS - Its his world view not his domestic policy agenda/ideas. He's right on about the Fed. He believes that 9/11 and other terror attacks were the fault of the USA, some sort of bullshit "blowback" as he calls it. ...I'll leave it at that because its enough to garner him the same vote tally that he received in 08. Wishful thinking is all that the supporter of this nutjob have going for them.
mkwilliams 1 year ago
@mkwilliams Yeah, wants gov to stop taking all your money. A real nutjob for sure..LOL
luvUtube247 1 year ago
@luvUtube247 : How much bacon has Congressman Paul brought home in his 30+ years in Congress? ....Guess he isnt for term limits huh??
mkwilliams 1 year ago
@mkwilliams Jesus..you have to be the most uninformed troll on the net. Ron Paul IS FOR TERM LIMITS.and HAS SAID THIS MANY TIMES. Do your homework before trolling.
luvUtube247 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Both are politicians, don't think for a minute Ron Paul hasn't been in Congress for as long as he has been, without having a few cards up his sleeve...He just does things a different way, but don't be fooled.
Tenatiouz 1 year ago
@AFRIKTODAY Ron Paul almost seems to be the Messiah even! Or am I over acting a little? ; )
VisionsOfTheNobody 1 year ago
ron paul is the only politician with BALLS
GovWillKillU 1 year ago
I THINK HE REVOLUTIONS GONNA START WHEN THEY WHACK THESE GUYS! I HOPE SO....EITHER START A REVOLUTION(FULL BLOWN 1789 FRENCH,GUILITINES AND ALL) OR JESUS SHOWS UP...
treon123456 1 year ago
GREAT interview, thanks judge!
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SheepDoggOne 1 year ago
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SheepDoggOne 1 year ago
Down With Tyranny!
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campaign4liberty 1 year ago
rand paul is a fuckin douche bag and an embarrassment to his father's name
BroBroDude 1 year ago
@BroBroDude ill take rand over ANYof those other assholes in washington
GovWillKillU 1 year ago
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@GovWillKillU "ill take rand over ANYof those other assholes in washington"
what high praise
BroBroDude 1 year ago
@BroBroDude That's too harsh. You need to see things in degrees and not be so extreme. I also prefer Ron, but Rand is still 80% the man.
sugarkang 1 year ago
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@sugarkang "That's too harsh. You need to see things in degrees and not be so extreme. I also prefer Ron, but Rand is still 80% the man."
no he is not; he is so fucking terrible
even worse than his shitty positions is the fact that the momentum his father has generated will be siphoned off by him in favor of his meaningless statist "change", rather than the significant change ron stands for
rand paul is basically the worst thing in the world
BroBroDude 1 year ago
Finally I feel like somebody representing me actually holds my views!
Nonoyawns 1 year ago
@Nonoyawns But man, if they follow DeMint on social issues, I would be seriously disappointed.
Nonoyawns 1 year ago
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jetsamjetsam 1 year ago