RE: "Irrationalism in atheism" - A Response To VyckRo

[MsMrNoface]

I wonder if you could get VyckRo to admit a popular unverifiable belief is logically of the same strength as as any other unverifiable belief. Then I suppose we could move onto the bible as support, as he seemed to want to do this without answering that question.

[VyckRo]

@MsMrNoface

The problem is that ThinkAbout1t, unfortunately lives in a tiny little box, box which is called "western christianity".

His mind is unable to admit, that there are christians who do not wish to convert anyone. He is obsessed with the argument, that I am obliged to prove something to someone.

I am not....

I am an anti-communist and anti-atheist and that is all

[MsMrNoface]

@VyckRo How about the question?Does a popular unverifiable belief=unverifiable belief in logical strength? or another way, does popularity add any logical strength. On your other points, by criticizes atheistic beliefs you are at least aiding those who seek to convert non-believers. And as many have said; if you take the position that something (ANYTHING) exists the onus is on the claim maker.

[ThinkAbout1t]

@VyckRo to be anti-atheist is to be anti-lacking theistic belief. Which is to say you are for theistic belief. Them's the rules. Logic is word math. If you multiply a negative by a negative, you get a positive. If you use two "no's" in a sentence, it becomes a positive claim, not a negative claim.

And like I said, you referenced Psalms 27 regarding what god brought to the table. So don't tell me you aren't pushing a particular brand of "non-atheism."

[mistajames3213]

@VyckRo

What does communism have to do with atheism, exactly? A communist model is not necessarily an atheist one. The reverse is obviously true. Hell, a communist model could be altered to be a primarily Christian, democratic one, and still qualify as communist.

Similarly, a capitalist model does not need to be democratic. There are

authoritarian capitalist countries in the world (Iran, for example). Just a little tidbit.

[JPWMT]

@VyckRo CreationistsLOST, get in touch with reality. :P

[AndromedasWake]

Thanks very much for the feedback. Subbed.

[ThinkAbout1t]

@AndromedasWake Woot. I'm moving up in the world! Watch out tf00t! You'll be subbing me next!

Because that's how youtube politics works :P

[KodierungHerz]

Oh that poor deluded bastard.

[Chuck1863]

One might ask someone who claims God can't be disproven, "Can you prove that God hasn't already been proven to not exist?" Then when he can't, he should accept that it has been proven and shut up.

[ThinkAbout1t]

@Chuck1863 Haha, that's a good way to put it. But I don't think you'll be winning over the other side by using it. :P

[VyckRo]

The "cup of tea", has not influence the creation of the European Culture.

No tea cup, has not influenced the lives of millions the eligious argument was not "invented yesterday".

Nobody tries to influences atheists, atheists are those who want to "evangelize the world"

[MNICY]

@VyckRo Something does not have to be real to have influence. The human mind is an amazing thing: we have the power to imagine extremely realistic concepts.

A good example is how a book like Orwell's 1984 has influenced our culture. None of the events in the book were "real", and neither were any of the characters. But it certainly helped to shape the opinions that many people hold about privacy today.

Also, the Jehovah's Witnesses who come to my door sure seem to attempt to influence me.

[VyckRo]

@MNICY

First the idea of the existence of a God it is very old, and was not denied until today.

The example of an object created by man, can easily be denied.

[MNICY]

@VyckRo People have been denying the existence of God for as long as others have been claiming he exists. But for most of history, denying God or religion would get you killed.

[ThinkAbout1t]

@VyckRo So you're saying the difference of a teacup on pluto, and god, is that god has influenced culture in Europe, and influenced the lives of millions.

I would parrot the sentiments above from MNICY. Things don't need to exist, or be real, to have an influence. When you were a kid, were you scared of the dark? Did you think the bogeyman was hiding in your closet? The Bogeyman has influenced Billions!

And of course people try to influence atheists. Ever seen an attempted conversion?

[VyckRo]

@ThinkAbout1t

Certainly! see dprjones's video: "What does atheism have to offer?"

That video, is so bad as a toothpaste advertise.

You know:

Since I started using atheism I feel so good.

That was me before atheism :-(

And that's me today ;-)

Atheism can work for you, too

=))

[ThinkAbout1t]

@VyckRo Care to respond my comments, or admit that god brings nothing more to the table, than a teacup on pluto?

If you'll notice, i never said atheists don't "evangelize." There are certainly militant atheists. And there are certainly plenty of people who think that atheism offers a freeing experience from the dogma's of religion, as there is no dogma for atheism.

Please don't straw man me, and try to stay on topic, regarding what I've actually said. Not what you want me to say.

[VyckRo]

@ThinkAbout1t

Psalm: 27. would be a good start

[ThinkAbout1t]

@VyckRo And so it comes back to the bible. The bible is the world's best known case of circular logic. "The book says god is almighty, therefore god is almighty! And god wanted us to know he's almighty, so he wrote us this book!"

To remind you of your original claim. You said atheists can not prove a god does not exist. And you used that as justification for belief in god. You've now abandoned this statement, and reverted to the bible to support your argument, because your claim doesn't work.

[VyckRo]

@ThinkAbout1t

Ther is no case of circular logic. Because the Bible is not one book confessed by a single author. ( therefore we can take every book of the Bible separately in to discussion)

Strawman! Your logic is very strange, try to focus!

I said atheists can not prove that a God does not exist. And I used it, as justification against the militant atheists, that are trying to de-convert.

I have brought no evidence, because I am not trying to convert anyone.

[VyckRo]

@ThinkAbout1t

I said atheists can not prove that a God does not exist, therefore they have no right to tell me that they can.

Like you are try, now.

[ThinkAbout1t]

@VyckRo No. I'm not. I'm saying there is no good reason to believe a god exists until one is presented with solid logic and reasoning for the existence of said god.

And your responses tell me all I need to hear. If you don't mind, I'd like to make our conversation into a video. Also, Epicurus was reppin' atheism since 33 AD, so no... it wasn't only denied today. Also, look up the documentary hypothesis, regarding why I don't accept the bible as a source of evidence or information.

[ThinkAbout1t]

@VyckRo You are inadvertantly admitting you don't have a leg to stand on, by using the bible. Would you like to return to trying to logically justify your belief in god, or are you content to say "God said it, therefore it's true."

[VyckRo]

@ThinkAbout1t

If God exists, and indeed he is who he claims to be

Then certainly "God said it, therefore it's true."

LoL!

[ThinkAbout1t]

@VyckRo Ah, I see what happened. I meant "ever seen an attempted conversion" in regards to theists trying to convert atheists. You said "Nobody tries to influence(s)* atheists..." Which is plain not true.

[VyckRo]

@ThinkAbout1t

No!

I said I did not try to convert anyone

Me!

I only advocate against atheism!

[ThinkAbout1t]

@VyckRo "Nobody tries to influences atheists, atheists are those who want to "evangelize the world""

Care to get back on topic? Bogeyman, God, Teacup. God doesn't seem to be any different than the teacup on pluto, or the bogeyman in your closet.

[VyckRo]

@ThinkAbout1t

These are just two things!

The idea is that you can not compare, two completely different things!

[ThinkAbout1t]

@VyckRo Why are they different? First you said god influences millions, and that's why the claim "A God exists" is different than "There is a teacup on Pluto." I pointed out another example, that the Bogeyman exists, and has influenced undoubtedly, more people than any specific god. So again I ask, as I did in the video:

"What does god bring to the table that is particularly special? That makes him outside these rules of logic?"

[MNICY]

@ThinkAbout1t oh wow... why are you wasting your time with this guy?... =\

[ThinkAbout1t]

@MNICY It's fun. Watch the vid that autoplays on his channel. He claims atheists say that "atheists don't kill people." And that we think communists are a shame to atheism, and pass them off as "Not true atheists." And he makes both claims in under a minute.

The rest of the video is actually legitimate regarding the "dark ages." And I'd agree it's a false myth often used to de-value Christianity, but it still doesn't do anything to validate Christianity, or discredit the disbelief of a god.

[VyckRo]

@ThinkAbout1t

The vid that autoplays on my channel attack the claims made by some atheist ( not necessarily all atheists). Many atheists do not want to admit that Lenin and Stalin were atheists, and yes that they kill priests and bishops hoping to create an atheist society ( so in the name of their atheism, not necessarily your atheism)

But there are atheists who deny that.

[steviemgallacher]

@VyckRo I think you may have missed the point ThinkAbout1t was trying to make.

I do not agree that atheists are trying to evangelise anyone, can you provide an eample of this?

[rphamning]

tfoot will definately be watching this