Everybody's Gonna Have To Give?

[halloweenfriday]

the only way to make the economy better is to STOP WORRYING the more you WORRY the WORSE it gets

[avionicswirenut]

Rob from the rich , rob from the poor, this is the change that they said would happen...Everyone will be equal broke.....

[WMRRFAN6573]

Everybody has to give huh, I'd like to give you and all your cronies a pink slip.

[HotaruZoku]

Notice he never does bother to inform us as to what -his- skin in this game supposed to be.

You know Mr. President....I can sacrifice day in and day out...but only of my own accord, by my own sense of what is worth that sacrifice in the first place. I don't take kindly to being told where, what, when and why I'm supposed to "accept sacrifice" from the same class of humanity hell bent on never letting a drop of their power go, for fear of a populace emerging that doesn't need them anymore.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

"In summary," CBO said "the premiums for policies sold in the proposed insurance exchanges would differ from the premiums that would be paid under current law for a variety of reasons—some of which would tend to make exchange premiums higher than current-law premiums and some of which would tend to make them lower.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

CBO didnt find that the decreased penalty had much of an effect on getting people to sign up for health insurance. It estimated that the bill would lead to 94 percent of nonelderly Americans having insurance, the same figure CBO gave for the earlier version of the bill. But it also hasnt examined all of the factors influencing premium costs and says that quantifying a net effect is difficult.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

MIT economist and health care expert Jonathan Gruber released his analysis of the impact on premiums in the individual market, finding the opposite of the industry-funded report: Gruber says premiums in the individual market would go down. He examined the effect of the bill on people of different ages, estimating that a 25-year-old could save from $230 to $685 in 2016 on average, a 60-year-old could save $2,800 to $7,890, and a family of four could save $2,430 to $8,550

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

This episode reminds us of another industry-backed report on premiums that we debunked earlier this year. It was based (loosely) on the House health care bill, as introduced, but didnt factor in subsidies and other aspects of the legislation. Independent reports by the Commonwealth Fund and the Lewin Group, meanwhile, found that costs would go down on average.

[LessGovMoreFreedom]

Too much skin in the game:

A Price Waterhouse Audit concludes that the Senate finance committee health care bill will increase average family health insurance premiums $4,000 annually.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Halliburton Co. said it has agreed to pay $559 million in federal penalties to settle charges that one of its former units bribed Nigerian officials during the construction of a gas plant.

[smedge7]

Are you Canadian?

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

So, are all these investigations and scandals hurting KBR? Apparently not:

Today, neither Halliburton nor KBR are suffering from their divorce. Halliburton reported $4 billion in operating profits in 2008, while KBR recently said its first quarter revenues in 2009 were up 27%, for a total of $3.2 billion. Its sales in 2008 were up 33%, and according to the Financial Times, the company had $1 billion in cash, no debt, and was looking for acquisitions.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

According to Agency, it sent the inspector general a total of 32 cases of suspected overbilling, bribery and other violations since 2004.KBR is at the center of a lethal scandal involving the electrocution deaths of more than a dozen US soldiers, allegedly as a result of faulty electrical work done by the company. The DoD paid KBR more than $80 million in bonuses for the very work that resulted in the electrocution deaths.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

There are currently more private contractors (counting both armed and unarmed) in Afghanistan (68,197) than US troops (40,000). In Iraq, the number of contractors (132,610) is basically equal to the number of US troops. In May, April Stephenson, director of the Defense Contract Audit Agency, testified that KBR was linked to the vast majority of war-zone fraud cases and a majority of the $13 billion in questioned or unsupported costs.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

How Many Americans Are Uninsured?

The Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, using the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey (MEPS) estimated that the percentage of uninsured Americans under age 65 represented 27 percent of the population. According to the MEPS data, nearly 54 million Americans under the age of 65 were uninsured in the first-half of 2007.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

A recent study shows that based on the effects of the recession alone (not job loss), it is projected that nearly seven (7) million Americans will lose their health insurance coverage between 2008 and 2010. 3 Urban Institute researchers estimate that if unemployment reaches 10 percent, another six (6) million Americans will lose their health insurance coverage. Taking these numbers together, it is conceivable that by next year, 57 to 60 million Americans will be uninsured.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Who Are the Uninsured?

The large majority of the uninsured (85 percent) are native or naturalized citizens.6

Nearly 1.3 million full-time workers lost their health insurance in 2006. 1

Over 8 in 10 uninsured people come from working families almost 70 percent from families with one or 7

The percentage and the number of uninsured Hispanics increased to 32.1 percent and overall to 15 million in 2007.1

[LessGovMoreFreedom]

The Democrats are in a reckless rush to reform health care for 305 million Americans. Less than 3% of Americans are without coverage because they are too poor to purchase it but earn too much to qualify for government assistance.

Federal law forbids hospitals from denying treatment to patients who show up at the emergency rooms so no one is denied emergency care.

Illegal aliens are filling emergency rooms at a tremendous cost to legal citizens and the uninsured.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year — one every 12 minutes — in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found in an analysis released on Thursday.

"We're losing more Americans every day because of inaction ... than drunk driving and homicide combined," Dr. David Himmelstein, a co-author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in an interview with Reuters.

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[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Overall, researchers said American adults age 64 and younger who lack health insurance have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those who have coverage

[youngbono18]

@TheFactCheckdotorg

Ya... and how many people died in England last year because their socialized system failed and they had to wait and wait... until they died?

go look that up you uneducated prick.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Pay Attention!

This is who you should be pissed at!

Drug giant Pfizer (PFE) agreed today to plead guilty to a charge of illegally marketing the now-withdrawn painkiller Bextra.

But that's not all. The drug giant agreed to pay $2.3 billion in fines to settle allegations that it illegally marketed 13 drugs, including Bextra. It is the largest fine ever levied for fraud in the Medicare and Medicaid programs.

[flagwaver1969]

You don't make the system function better by hiring more beauracrats, Barry. The only thing you get is replacement in 2012, or beforehand, you communist piece of garbage!

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Much of the American South is ailing, with West Virginia the worst off—at least, if the rate of prescription drug use is any indication. The state filled 17.7 prescriptions per capita compared to a national average of 11.5, according to Verispan, a health care information company.

Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Kentucky and Missouri also have prescription drug-use rates well above the national average.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

go get your money back from the real crooks!

cheney and halliburton 2.3 BILLION stolen from american taxpayers

In 1961, President Eisenhower warned against a "conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry." He said, "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

[ciaBLUEBIRD]

What is Obama doing about halliburton, KBR, etc?

We've waited all these years for something to be done about them...

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

US War Privatization Results in Billions Lost in Fraud, Waste and Abuse--Report

Half of the personnel the US has working on its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are private contractors. A new report reveals how much of a rip-off this system has been to US taxpayers.

At a hearing in Washington today, the federal Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan is releasing a 111-page report that represents its initial investigations of the nations heavy reliance on contractors.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

In an interview with GOP health care demagogue Betsy McCaughey: Jon Stewart patiently, politely, and firmly smacked down her exaggerations, misrepresentations and lies.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

" the "death panels" were in the bill and were going to be removed. such fear mongers we were. "

there never were any death panels, just the ones made up to scare old ppl!

Its ridiculous to even post such demagoguery!

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

In other words, this section of H.R. 3200 would require Medicare to pay doctors when they counsel their patients about such things as living wills, but no more frequently than once every five years, unless theres a significant change in health status. "Both myself and our outside counsel have reviewed section 1233 of the House bill, and neither one of us can reach the conclusion that it is a mandatory consultation for Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries,"

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Furthermore, the bill would not make these sessions mandatory. It modifies section 1861(s)(2) of the Social Security Act, defining what services Medicare will pay for if these definitions made treatments mandatory, seniors would all be required to get artificial legs and midwife services, too.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning .

(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.

(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.

(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

H.R. 3200, page 425: Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term advance care planning consultation means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

McCaughey misrepresents the content of page 425 of the bill. That section would require Medicare to pay for some end-of-life planning counseling sessions with a health care practitioner. Heres part of the section in question.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

CPR Administers Bad Facts, Again

The group says premiums could nearly double for those who buy their own insurance. Experts we consulted disagree.

The latest ad from the group Conservatives for Patients Rights claims that new rules could hike your health insurance premiums 95 percent. Thats misleading

[44Grimmace]

maybe you should go outside the white house for your information, then...

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Actually, the House leaderships version of the health care bill would trim a net total of only $219 billion from the projected growth of Medicare spending over the next 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. And Congress isnt proposing to cut benefit levels or to deny treatment to anyone who is "not worth the cost." We find this ad to be mostly false.

[44Grimmace]

That's funny, I find your retorts to be mostly false. Are you getting this information from the BILL or from talking to people? Read the bill, because most of those people haven't read the bill.

I haven't heard anyone say anything about Obama and 'pulling the plug on Grandma" except Obama himself. just like I never heard anyone say anything about Obama's skin color except Obama himself. the "death panels" were in the bill and were going to be removed. such fear mongers we were.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

The conservative 60 Plus Association is running a TV ad saying Congress plans to pay for overhauling health care "by cutting $500 billion from Medicare." It claims that this "will mean long waits for care" and cuts to MRIs and other imaging services, that "seniors may lose their own doctors" and that "government, not doctors, will decide if older patients are worth the cost."

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Lets See Who is Responsible?

Medical costs are horribly expensive, and no hospital is considered a hospital these days if they don't have a CT Scanner or MRI Scanner. R&D costs to develop safe and effective medical equipment are at least equal to those of the pharmaceutical industry. Where is it written that being a manufacturer of anything is cheap? A "decent" Magnetic Resonance Instrument costs your hospital anywhere from $1 million to $3 million, and a top of the line MRI is even more than!

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

In 1950, there were 7.3 working-age people for each person over 65; now, the ratio is 4.7 to 1, and it is scheduled to drop to 2.7 to 1 by 2035

Also, senators, congressmen, governors, etc., who are picking up huge pensions are also getting huge Social Security checks.The huge baby boom generation is just now beginning to retire. Their sheer numbers will impose a substantial additional burden on the entitlement funds, even as the ratio of workers to retirees declines sharply.

[44Grimmace]

good example there. do you know why we have less people these days? abortion. fact check that while you're at it.

it's a ponzi scheme (social security) that was a good example of what progressives do while in office. oh, and it's the same type of people today refusing to be on the healthcare they're trying to implement and taking home huge pensions.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

"do you know why we have less people these days? abortion" What does that even mean?

6,706,993,152 nope thats the most ppl thats ever been on the planet. Abortion IS NOT making that number go down.

and if you mean America the your numbers are wrong again.

2008:304,059,724

As of February 2009, the United States has a total resident population of 305 million

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Birth rate: 14.18 births/1,000 population (2008 est.)

Death rate: 8.27 deaths/1,000 population (2008 est.)

[44Grimmace]

does the death rate include abortion? we were talking about less people paying in per person receiving a pay out on social security. i'm sorry that you have no common sense to realize that since you were talking about "working people per person over 65" that when I said 'less people' I meant 'less people working per person over 65'. I will be sure I spell everything out for you in the future.

how many more people 'COULD' be working if not for the millions of abortions that have taken place?

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

sry this isnt IF world.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and weve been peppered with queries about similar claims. Theyre not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

[44Grimmace]

with a loop hole later on. too bad you didn't read that far.

[LessGovMoreFreedom]

The fact that social security is a pay as you go system is why it earns a below market rate of return. Individuals investing the annual equivalent of the FICA tax in risk free Treasury bills would increase their return by 2%. If the trust fund was not oved to the general fund and spent on vote buying projects by successive democrat congresses it would not be going bankrupt.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Seven Falsehoods About Health Care

Big myths about the current debate

August 14, 2009

[LessGovMoreFreedom]

FactCheckdotorg is non-partisan and does not have an agenda. Your username bastardizes their organization.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

This IS FactCheckdotorg

all information has previously been verified for correctness and content.

[LessGovMoreFreedom]

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[LessGovMoreFreedom]

RIP pi3573

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H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Fact Check

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

[44Grimmace]

then why don't we deport them and not worry about it? why don't we build that fence and let border patrol agents shoot people illegally coming into this country?

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Sounds Great!

Go to Gaza and let me know how it goes.

or better yet want NO GOVERMENT....go to the Gulf of Aden and send me post card!

[44Grimmace]

Wow, you're really bad at this "common sense debating" thing. I haven't read a thing about people wanting "no government". if you're honestly advocating more government, you should be in a psych ward.

We need LESS government to get us out of the mess that MORE government got us into. I don't mean "deregulate everything" because I know that's the next thing you'd call me out on, but I would want to deregulate as much as possible and lower taxes as much as possible.

[44Grimmace]

Oh wait, your kind has been in charge of shaping this country the last 50 years (for the most part) and you're pushing any sense of religion and morality out the window in favor of "progressive movements". A moral people can self regulate and be just fine. Unfortunately, what most people teach their kids is that "right" is what feels right at the time and how to bend the rules. An immoral people cannot sustain a democracy, and that's exactly where we are now.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

im sry "my kind" what kind would that be?

and how many republican presidents in the last 50 years ? tell me plz im dying to know!

[44Grimmace]

the fact that you're simply trying to answer questions with "how many republican presidents" there have been proves that you don't care to find answers, just to keep people fighting about which political party they are in instead of the other. also, maybe it would help if you knew that it's not a President who writes bills. it's the congress. GENERALLY (not a blanket statement) when 1 party is in the white house, and the other controls the houses of congress, there's a slight check & balance.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Last year the liberal writer Robert Kuttner, in a piece in The American Prospect, argued that "this old-fashioned panic is a child of deregulation." But even he didn't lay the blame primarily on Gramm-Leach-Bliley.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Instead, he described "serial bouts of financial deregulation" going back to the 1970s. And he laid blame on policies of the Federal Reserve Board under Alan Greenspan, saying "the Fed has become the chief enabler of a dangerously speculative economy."

[44Grimmace]

they do have an agenda though.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Immigration also helps Social Security's finances because new immigrants tend to be of working age and contribute more than they take from the system. A simulation by Social Security's actuaries indicated that if net immigration ran at 1.3 million a year instead of the 900,000 in their central assumption, the system's 75-year funding gap would narrow to 1.67 percent, from 1.92 percent, savings that come out to half a trillion dollars, in today's money.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security revenue and $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.

In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the administration, 9 million W-2s with incorrect numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or 1.5 percent of total reported wages

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Immigrants pad books, balance Social Security

An undocumented immigrant from Oaxaca, Mexico, who hiked two days through the desert east of Tijuana, Martinez, 28

Last year, Martinez paid about $2,000 toward Social Security and $450 for Medicare through taxes withheld from his wages like those of any worker. Unlike most Americans, who will receive some public pension and will be eligible for Medicare as soon as they turn 65, Martinez is not entitled to any benefit.

[LessGovMoreFreedom]

Obama's rhetoric utilizes positive words more than 5.5 times as often as the negative ones. That's a complete reversal of what the Democrats' legislation actually says.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

your buddy John had this to say...

The Ensign amendment was defeated on a 50-49 vote. We all know that millions of undocumented immigrants pay Social Security and Medicare taxes for years and sometimes decades while they work to contribute to our economy, said Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

The Ensign amendment would undermine the work of these people by preventing lawfully present immigrant workers from claiming Social Security benefits that they earned before they were authorized to work in our community, he said. If this amendment were enacted, the nest egg that these immigrants have worked hard for would be taken from them and their families.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally dont qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers dont offer it.

"Misleading GOP Health Care Claims" July 23

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and weve been peppered with queries about similar claims. Theyre not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Thats not true.

The section says nothing about "non-US citizens" or immigrants, legal or otherwise. In fact, the legislation specifically states that "undocumented aliens" will not be eligible for credits to help them buy health insurance, in Section 246 on page 143.

[LessGovMoreFreedom]

Ever since the democrats took Social Security from the Trust fund and put it in the general fund so they could spend it they have continually proven they cannot be trusted in matters of spending. That is why Social Security is underfunded by $6.6 Trillion today, Medicare is underfunded by $36 Trillion and President Obama (peace be with him) wants to give these benefits to illegal aliens.

Democrat math: If it's not right, then it must be what?

WRONG

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Sen. Bernie Sanders  would be asking you why your missleading the public? You should listen to your own party!

and quit makeing absurd lies.

[LessGovMoreFreedom]

In order to receive full Social Security benefits, a worker must register ten years of employment. Under current law, illegal immigrants who obtain legal status can use their previous illegal work history to apply for Social Security benefits. In May 2006 Sen. John Ensign proposed an amendment, SA 3895, to make sure that only legal work history could be counted toward social security benefits. It lost by one vote and Obama voted against it. And thats a fact, Jack.

[LessGovMoreFreedom]

And peace be with you. (RIP pi3573)

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

Illegals granted Social Security! was negative, it only takes a moments reflection to see that McCain and Leahy are right. Social Security is, theoretically if not in reality, a pay-as-you-go system. For those people who pay into the system to be denied benefits would be unconscionable.

[CelestialSherpa]

As it turns out, one of the most striking things watching the town halls yesterday -- Obama's, Specter's, and McCaskill's -- was how misinformed the public was about the health-care debate.

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

had better check your facts there....

Draft Dodger: Newt Gingrich

Though he relentlessly pushes military spending and talks like a bigtime hawk, Gingrich avoided the Vietnam War through a combination of student and family deferments. (He married one of his teachers at age 19.)

[TheFactCheckdotorg]

The Richards lent and donated money and office space to Gingrich from his earliest days in politics. They have given over $100,000 and Gingrich was the first recipient of donations from Southwire's PAC. By coincidence, Gingrich has changed from an environmentalist critic of Southwire to a staunch anti-environmentalist during that time. People with ties to Southwire were instrumental in two earlier lucrative book deals of Gingrichs in 1977, 1984; the latter was investigated for ethical violations

[1CBRDUDE]

Fuck them !

[DeaconSteve]

Like I've been saying, we were told that our country would be destroyed from witin. And it is come to task. Is this person and Congress and the Senate williing to give up their health care package to be a part of this Obamanation Health Care plan? Of course not, they know how bad it is. And they think that the American people are so gullible to believe this crap. God bless this country.

[conservatarian57]

nobody should have to sacrifice for another against his or her will. I would sacrifice for none, just as I would have none sacrifice for me.

[928outcast]

Ah, yes, giving. The Messiah. Let us all bring "gifts" to him! Only he knows how to use "our" money for good. As Bugs Bunny says," What a Maroon!"

[3marie2g]

And he wasn't even born here, or more especially RAISED here!!! We are momentarily in Barryland. I'll probably be put on some terrorist list now!!!

[jhmorgan0951]

We have come to the point where the government has outlived its usefulness. Shut the government down, send all the bums home, they are not needed, they are not wanted. We're already giving, what more can we give? The problem is government takes!! Shut down the governement!!!

[3marie2g]

The federal gov't was established to curb anarchy, but now they causing it!!

[JohnR22926]

Yeah, sure. Everyone is going to have to give...except the bloated, wasteful government. Instead of giving, Obama is going to grow the govt as fast as he can. More govt = more power for the Left.

And how will it get paid for? Who gives a fuck! Niggling details like that are for future generations to figure out.

[ZingZee123456789]

Ha ha ha...this is such a clever and humorous ad....no wonder Republican party identification is less than 25% percent....

[shonester]

What's so funny about spending like a mad man?

[YOUGET4REAL]

Only a psychopath could lie like he does.

I have a plan to create 12 to 20 million jobs , deport all the illegal aliens in the country (including Obama) right now.

[thiswaythat]

they ALL need to be thrown out. We need to start over.

We had a tech bubble, a housing bubble, and now we have a government bubble. We need to pop it!!

[YoungTurkMorons]

Meanwhile, Obama plans a vacation costing taxpayers millions ($20?) for a retreat at Martha's Vineyard. This guy is the biggest lowlife that ever was.

[shonester]

I'm not one to defend Obama...but I believe they are RENTING a place that happens to be worth 20 million. I think. Could be wrong but that's what I thoguht I read.

I'm more interested to know if taxpayers are paying for Gates and the police officer to come to the White House to cover for Obama's race baiting.

[KiLLtheCorrUpt]

How about the lazy welfare leeches getting off their rear ends?how about closing the border?how about not dumping millions in the lap of our enemies? I really think behind closed doors they say " ok haw can we lie today ,to get more control tommorrow".

[2xtream]

How much damn money are you going to steal Obama? WTF is wrong with you? You are insane out of touch and very reckless. Obama: NO NO NO. ( NO WE WON"T )

This is not a damn Game you ass hole.

[ptmoneyrap]

We're already giving, Mr Obama.

[oilhammer04]

"Everybody is going to have to give . . . . everbody's going to have some skin in the game." Does this guy ever tell the truth? A huge portion of the lower income bracket is going to *not* give, but the gov't is going to be paying them just like it has been, only more-so with Obama's plan.

[jp3711nc1]

when will they sacrifice there expensive stuff and kobe steaks.

[USoSilly2Me]

Obama is a nut case.