Looking at the way the temps jump back when you killed Prime95 got me thinking... Is it possible to "shock-cool" something like the CPU?
I know it's hardly relevant to compare 40 year-old metal with modern PC components but I have to baby my aircraft engine not just to control engine temperature but also temperature differences. You can do damage to it by shock cooling it, so the ventilation / cowl flaps are closed when you go to idle to slow the cooling of internal components.
After watching this video I went out and bought a $500 JBJ 1/10hp chiller. It doesn’t work!
Come to find out at idle I could have the coolant as cold as I wanted BUT once I started playing games the unit couldn’t keep up. BTW I had removed all my radiators.
@0leitejesse Why in the world would you remove your rads? You have to keep in mind, a water chiller is meant to chill water not remove heat from water. You really need to put your rads back in there. The point of me hooking up a chiller was to help in cooling the water in addition to the RAD I have installed. These chillers are used for fish tanks....no load in fish tanks...thats what the RADS are for.
The idea is to find an efficient alternative to the fan noise, and balance between effective cooling and efficiency. I think the question was posed “why didn’t you remove your radiators” and the video almost implies that a chiller is sufficient to cool your system. I am curious by nature and stable enough to try such crazy ideas but thought others would be interested in knowing that a chiller alone WILL NOT keep up under load.
You can use water below the ambient temperature, depends on the air humidity, for example if the case temperature is 25ºC and the humidity is 50%, condensation begins at 14ºC, so you can use water at 15-16ºC safe. Here a dew point calculator, migre(dot)me(/)7AohI
Just type the name of your city on google +weather to see air humidity, but for an accurate calculation, you can use a digital thermometer with hygrometer(shows air humidity) on you room.
@lvl8hacker I think I am going to go with the 1/15hp jbj arctica, and what do you think temps would be after hitting 4 gpus? Would I be best then sending the water to my pump\res then a 360 rad then hit the cpu/mobo/ram or would that be unnecessary. I have never seen one of this in use other then here so I am unsure how the temps will be after the gpus.
@derfman24 not, but it honestly really doesn't matter. At below ambient the radiator actually raises the temps slightly. I would use it for looks if i wanted to LAN just disconnect it.
Wow crazy low temps, love it! Fail on YouTube for never getting notified of this video being uploaded, SMH...can you post a link to where that chiller came from in the description?
@kskwerl64 The chiller will go down to 33*F. I dont think I want to get that deep with the MOBO. I dont want to risk jacking up the machine. I run this thing all day and the temps Im getting are WAY better than I ever thought
Your video just blew me away and I am surprised the number of views aren't higher. Out of curiosity, what are you using for coolant? Are you running plain old distilled water w/ additives?
@Tehscottinator With ambient temp meaning room temp. Your hardware is always going to be hotter than the case temp. I would toss the case temp out as non important. If you keep the hardware cool the case temp will follow so the only temps I am watching for are the ambient, water,,hardware...in that order
@lvl8hacker I'm just wondering if the coolant temperature is 20, the room temp is 20 but inside the case the air temp is 25. Is there a possibility of condensation on the fittings in the case?
I'm really considering trying to recreate this setup with my Raven02.
@Tehscottinator ...oh for sure there is...One needs a ton of self control when doing a set up with chilled water. The evil coolingvoice in the back of you head will want you to push it lower, and lower, and lower.... :)
@lXlNismo11lXl Its not loud by any means...it almost sounds like a dorm frig if that makes any sense. I have installed it in my basement and now there is zero noise. It is cooling the system down so well I can turn all my fans down to min RPM's and the whole setup is super quite
amazing temp !!! one think i don't like with the waterchiller is no reservoire end pompe inside the chiller , bet soon i bay one like this !!! for cooling my 990x end gtx 580 tri-sli !! my room is 15°c THE TEMP for the chiller is ? now is winter , bet in semmer you change the temp for the chiller ? end the d5 pompe you av is ok for good flow ? thanks men
When you say you're going to put the water chiller in your basement and run the tubes to your computer, how far exactly is your basement from this room your in? :P
@roflgl My Basement is the same size as the main floor, its just one floor below me. The chiller will be put in the basement right below where it is now....about 3 more feet lower than it is.
What were the temp without the chiller? Seems risky, would it be better to lower the room temp and eliminate the condensation risk? What was the max o/c on the chiller? and max o/c on air+water? thanks for the info.
@mdmartin77 The system temps were about 15-20* warmer. It is only risky if you are not responsible. It would be great to have a separate AC unit just for my office but not really praticale...in order to lower the temp in the room would mean lowering the temp in the whole house....I don't think my wife would like that too much.
@Ronsanut I did keep my RES. The Koolance I have also has the pumps so I did not have a choice. You could run without a RES as long as you still had pumps.
Great vid as always, also kind of out of the context but I was wondering.. I'm using a Corsair H60 watercooler with an i5 2500k at stock speed (3.3~3.4ghz), but my idle temps are around 32-35°C.. load temps go up to 44~49°C, I was wondering if i could get better performances if I change the corsair fan for a better one, any idea what fan should I use if this is possible?
@shark2075 You can do better than the Corsair stock fans. The stock fans on the h60 run at 74cfm @1700 rpm. The great part is the 120mm fan size it takes is probably the most popular fan size out there. You need to find something with high CFM but the higher the CFM you run into more noise. You just have to find one you are happy with. I like the Gentle Typhoon AP-15 fans. Great air flow and low noise. You also might want to think about setting the h60 up in a push/pull wit two fans
@Obsidian570 Thanks!..I love my Dimastech bench. It just might be the only thing I keep for a while. Water cooling it was fun and it just looks cool as crap too :)
@Obsidian570 Not at all. I use a drill bit called a step bit. It starts the hole small and slowly makes it bigger. Just make it the size you need. I also used bitspower pass through fittings in the holes so I couls screw the fittings on both sides. I liked it due to the fact it made the loop look real clean. You could save your self the trouble and just run the tubes on the outside of the bench. I have seen some real clean builds done that way as well.
@SyLoWNiNe This one runs around $500...but I have seen 1/15 HP chillers for about $375. The 1/10 HP I have here is total overkill...but I didn't know how well it was going to work at the time I ordered it. I could have went smaller. I cant hear it over my PC. Its kind of like the sound of a small dorm fridge if that makes any sense..
You sound just like "aplfisher" he's a pc gamer..
ElementsFromFL 1 week ago
Have you tried folding balls to the wall (SMP + 3 GPU'S) with the chiller? What temps did it give you?
Working on a chiller myself, but TEC based. Should be able to run without rads in the case, and hold 10c water temps...
TheRealRognin 3 weeks ago
Looking at the way the temps jump back when you killed Prime95 got me thinking... Is it possible to "shock-cool" something like the CPU?
I know it's hardly relevant to compare 40 year-old metal with modern PC components but I have to baby my aircraft engine not just to control engine temperature but also temperature differences. You can do damage to it by shock cooling it, so the ventilation / cowl flaps are closed when you go to idle to slow the cooling of internal components.
Awesome build!
CTFlyer7 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from lvl8hacker
On one hand, I'd say this is awesome. On the other, I'd say you have a sickness. LOL
fxscreamer 3 weeks ago
I can't decide between this in black or white?
GOcgyFLAMESgo 3 weeks ago
After watching this video I went out and bought a $500 JBJ 1/10hp chiller. It doesn’t work!
Come to find out at idle I could have the coolant as cold as I wanted BUT once I started playing games the unit couldn’t keep up. BTW I had removed all my radiators.
0leitejesse 3 weeks ago
@0leitejesse Why in the world would you remove your rads? You have to keep in mind, a water chiller is meant to chill water not remove heat from water. You really need to put your rads back in there. The point of me hooking up a chiller was to help in cooling the water in addition to the RAD I have installed. These chillers are used for fish tanks....no load in fish tanks...thats what the RADS are for.
lvl8hacker 3 weeks ago
@lvl8hacker
First and foremost I love your videos!!
The idea is to find an efficient alternative to the fan noise, and balance between effective cooling and efficiency. I think the question was posed “why didn’t you remove your radiators” and the video almost implies that a chiller is sufficient to cool your system. I am curious by nature and stable enough to try such crazy ideas but thought others would be interested in knowing that a chiller alone WILL NOT keep up under load.
0leitejesse 3 weeks ago
You can use water below the ambient temperature, depends on the air humidity, for example if the case temperature is 25ºC and the humidity is 50%, condensation begins at 14ºC, so you can use water at 15-16ºC safe. Here a dew point calculator, migre(dot)me(/)7AohI
Just type the name of your city on google +weather to see air humidity, but for an accurate calculation, you can use a digital thermometer with hygrometer(shows air humidity) on you room.
IiITryviumIiI 1 month ago
what is the noise like from the chiller?
HellishTV 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@HellishTV You would get the same sound as say a dorm fridge. Not loud at all
lvl8hacker 1 month ago
@lvl8hacker I think I am going to go with the 1/15hp jbj arctica, and what do you think temps would be after hitting 4 gpus? Would I be best then sending the water to my pump\res then a 360 rad then hit the cpu/mobo/ram or would that be unnecessary. I have never seen one of this in use other then here so I am unsure how the temps will be after the gpus.
HellishTV 1 month ago
@lvl8hacker are there quieter chillers?
epic build is epic. Also do you know that your rig have a numbers of followers? ;p
DjSuperSou1 4 days ago
I was looking at this rad and found your build and Im planning on doing the same. was it hard to cut up the drive bay? any tips you might give me? :)
VerderfMKII 1 month ago
So with the chiller, do you still need a radiator?
derfman24 2 months ago in playlist More videos from lvl8hacker
@derfman24 not, but it honestly really doesn't matter. At below ambient the radiator actually raises the temps slightly. I would use it for looks if i wanted to LAN just disconnect it.
mcluvinization 1 month ago
Thats awesome... i need to find a chiller!
clshad3s 2 months ago
You said that chiller is way over kill man, so what is a much cheaper alternative?
net200777 2 months ago
Wow crazy low temps, love it! Fail on YouTube for never getting notified of this video being uploaded, SMH...can you post a link to where that chiller came from in the description?
PCModderMike 2 months ago
lvl8, do you have any tutorials, such as overclocking?
GODLY707 2 months ago
Whats the temperature set to on the chiller? I find this really interesting!
roflgl 2 months ago
@roflgl I have the chiller set to 70*F. Along with that temp and the 540m RAD Im running I seem to get good results
lvl8hacker 2 months ago
That's nasty lvl8! You ever think about insulating the board? What's the full potential of that chiller temp wise?
kskwerl64 3 months ago
@kskwerl64 The chiller will go down to 33*F. I dont think I want to get that deep with the MOBO. I dont want to risk jacking up the machine. I run this thing all day and the temps Im getting are WAY better than I ever thought
lvl8hacker 2 months ago
Your video just blew me away and I am surprised the number of views aren't higher. Out of curiosity, what are you using for coolant? Are you running plain old distilled water w/ additives?
seigified 3 months ago
@seigified Just pure water with a additive....The colored stuff always seems to mess up my parts and clog/dye them colors
lvl8hacker 2 months ago
Wow nice this is the best ft 02 build i ever seen on youtube beats them all good job!!!
IAMTHEPROCESSOR 3 months ago 2
@IAMTHEPROCESSOR THANK YOU!!!
lvl8hacker 2 months ago
whats differnce between water chilled and water cooling
KleptoooGaming 3 months ago
With the chiller do you take into account that the ambient temp in the case will be higher than the room temp so you won't get condensation?
Tehscottinator 3 months ago
@Tehscottinator With ambient temp meaning room temp. Your hardware is always going to be hotter than the case temp. I would toss the case temp out as non important. If you keep the hardware cool the case temp will follow so the only temps I am watching for are the ambient, water,,hardware...in that order
lvl8hacker 3 months ago
@lvl8hacker I'm just wondering if the coolant temperature is 20, the room temp is 20 but inside the case the air temp is 25. Is there a possibility of condensation on the fittings in the case?
I'm really considering trying to recreate this setup with my Raven02.
Tehscottinator 3 months ago
@Tehscottinator ...oh for sure there is...One needs a ton of self control when doing a set up with chilled water. The evil coolingvoice in the back of you head will want you to push it lower, and lower, and lower.... :)
lvl8hacker 3 months ago
How's the noise level?
lXlNismo11lXl 3 months ago in playlist More videos from lvl8hacker
@lXlNismo11lXl Its not loud by any means...it almost sounds like a dorm frig if that makes any sense. I have installed it in my basement and now there is zero noise. It is cooling the system down so well I can turn all my fans down to min RPM's and the whole setup is super quite
lvl8hacker 3 months ago
@lvl8hacker Okay, thanks for responding.
lXlNismo11lXl 3 months ago in playlist More videos from lvl8hacker
amazing temp !!! one think i don't like with the waterchiller is no reservoire end pompe inside the chiller , bet soon i bay one like this !!! for cooling my 990x end gtx 580 tri-sli !! my room is 15°c THE TEMP for the chiller is ? now is winter , bet in semmer you change the temp for the chiller ? end the d5 pompe you av is ok for good flow ? thanks men
nasser68fr 3 months ago
Dude that's sick! OCN FTW! :D
Ceadderman 3 months ago
nice job man I need to head over to ur house and see that thing in person
PowerGPUcom 3 months ago
When you say you're going to put the water chiller in your basement and run the tubes to your computer, how far exactly is your basement from this room your in? :P
roflgl 3 months ago
@roflgl My Basement is the same size as the main floor, its just one floor below me. The chiller will be put in the basement right below where it is now....about 3 more feet lower than it is.
lvl8hacker 3 months ago
What were the temp without the chiller? Seems risky, would it be better to lower the room temp and eliminate the condensation risk? What was the max o/c on the chiller? and max o/c on air+water? thanks for the info.
mdmartin77 3 months ago
@mdmartin77 The system temps were about 15-20* warmer. It is only risky if you are not responsible. It would be great to have a separate AC unit just for my office but not really praticale...in order to lower the temp in the room would mean lowering the temp in the whole house....I don't think my wife would like that too much.
lvl8hacker 3 months ago
Did you keep the reservoir ? I am assuming you would not need it as the ARTIC has its own tank ?
Thanks for trying this out. Nice to know.
Ronsanut 3 months ago
@Ronsanut I did keep my RES. The Koolance I have also has the pumps so I did not have a choice. You could run without a RES as long as you still had pumps.
lvl8hacker 3 months ago
wow temp with such a high oc! very very cool!
ysatria 3 months ago
Great vid as always, also kind of out of the context but I was wondering.. I'm using a Corsair H60 watercooler with an i5 2500k at stock speed (3.3~3.4ghz), but my idle temps are around 32-35°C.. load temps go up to 44~49°C, I was wondering if i could get better performances if I change the corsair fan for a better one, any idea what fan should I use if this is possible?
shark2075 3 months ago
@shark2075 You can do better than the Corsair stock fans. The stock fans on the h60 run at 74cfm @1700 rpm. The great part is the 120mm fan size it takes is probably the most popular fan size out there. You need to find something with high CFM but the higher the CFM you run into more noise. You just have to find one you are happy with. I like the Gentle Typhoon AP-15 fans. Great air flow and low noise. You also might want to think about setting the h60 up in a push/pull wit two fans
lvl8hacker 3 months ago
@lvl8hacker
Ok thanks for the quick reply, I was thinking about putting a Noctua fan on it I've heard good things about these in terms of noise/performance ratio
shark2075 3 months ago
Very cool. I am thinking about doing a Dimastech Easy Bench build. Any tips. Good idea? Bad idea?
Obsidian570 3 months ago
@Obsidian570 Thanks!..I love my Dimastech bench. It just might be the only thing I keep for a while. Water cooling it was fun and it just looks cool as crap too :)
lvl8hacker 3 months ago
@Obsidian570 oh...and did you get a chance to check out my Dimastech build videos....it will kind of give you an idea with what you can do with one.
lvl8hacker 3 months ago
@lvl8hacker I did see them. That is what gave me the idea. Was creating the holes for the water cooling difficult?
Obsidian570 3 months ago
@Obsidian570 Not at all. I use a drill bit called a step bit. It starts the hole small and slowly makes it bigger. Just make it the size you need. I also used bitspower pass through fittings in the holes so I couls screw the fittings on both sides. I liked it due to the fact it made the loop look real clean. You could save your self the trouble and just run the tubes on the outside of the bench. I have seen some real clean builds done that way as well.
lvl8hacker 3 months ago
@lvl8hacker Great! Thanks a ton for the tips. Gonna have to start thinking more about this project.
Obsidian570 3 months ago
Well said.. 5/5
keiki646 3 months ago
does the chiller also pump liquid on its own or do you still need the pumps for that?
tubeampsrule1 3 months ago
@tubeampsrule1 Its just a chiller...you will need pumps to move the water. I run 2 swiftech MCP-655 pumps in parallel so I do get good head pressure
lvl8hacker 3 months ago
@lvl8hacker Awesome! thanks for the quick reply ^_^
tubeampsrule1 3 months ago
Niice how much was the chiller, is it loud by any means while operating?
SyLoWNiNe 3 months ago
@SyLoWNiNe This one runs around $500...but I have seen 1/15 HP chillers for about $375. The 1/10 HP I have here is total overkill...but I didn't know how well it was going to work at the time I ordered it. I could have went smaller. I cant hear it over my PC. Its kind of like the sound of a small dorm fridge if that makes any sense..
lvl8hacker 3 months ago