line isolation demo

[Fueegen]

great vid, really helpfull.. :)

[GrendelNin]

Okay, my friends and I are still wondering... heavy poi or light poi for better isolations?

[GoldenChild87]

Heavy poi is imho easier...

[eliasbrinez]

I love it

[VegaEtereo]

Thanks for sharing this. Greetings from Venezuela :) *****

[DracoFlamingSphere]

Wow!? I've got a lot to think about while practicing next. Thanks for the Video Pete! Thank you Jon for the break down explanation..it really shows me how much I need to catch up on the theory part of it all and then some;) Thanks:)

[Meanie83]

Great stuff! This will take me a while to get the hang of. Now I finally have the hang of 3 beat 4 petal flowers, ive got some room for another high level challenge :p

[adamingamells]

you guys are the way out poi nerds, i love it.

[pineapple012]

this then produces the line isolation.. does this make sense to the reference frame inside your head jon?

:hug:

[pineapple012]

Jon: my personal reference frame for these, isnt a progression from spin isolation, but from antispin flowers.. i now see how you could get there through isolation, and see that a cat eye is a line isolation with the center of the poi body, which then moves onto the first move in this video. however, i see this as a big antispin flower with only 2 petals. so, where 4 petals looks like a square, 3 petals a triangle, 2 looks like a line. its isolated in the most maximal i can understand

[AlienJon]

I totally agree with getting to line iso from antispin. This is a big part of how I got to them as well. We are dealing with moves that cross a lot of boundaries.

So for instance:

A cateye is an ellipse, a 1-beat (2-petal) antispin, and a linear isolation all at the same time. By highlighting different aspects we can see how it fits in with other moves... and we might get new ideas about other moves!

I was focusing on going from point to line to illustrate the relationship to Nathaniel. =)

[pineapple012]

ah, yep, sorry.. i was getting confused with the order of replies.. i agree with you totally jon

[AlienJon]

lol, yeah I dunno what is up with youtube lately. seems like it takes a wile for it to thread the posts as responses to who you tried to respond to... Seems like that should just happen immediately!

[jtherrington77]

I love reading your words that describe complex poi movements. Would it be accurate to say that an isolation is simply a move where the hand and the poi head create a mirror image of each other simultaneously? So a linear isolation is an isolation because the hand and poi head are creating 2 lines that are mirror images of each other?

[pineapple012]

hm, not quite jtherrington.

in these cases my hands are moving in circular or eliptical paths. it's most easily seen with the very first antispin pattern i do, with the staff, where you see one head make a vertical line (as indicated) the other head, a horizontal line, yet my arm makes a circular path

im sure someone could prove this mathematicall :)

xo

[jtherrington77]

Ah, yes. Now I see it. Thanks.

[pineapple012]

In response to Nathan: i call them linear (line) isolation, because the poi head is isolated in such a way that the poi head travels in the path of a straight line. regardless of the method entered into it, the final production is the poi traveling in a line. it could easily be called something else, maybe something more to do with antispin, but i feel this fits the description quite accurately.

[NathanielEverist]

Great demo man, saves me some time, as after watching your Church of Poi video I intended on learning some of the linear isolations I saw you do that I didn't know (I've already learnt a few from AlienJon's video), and this definitely helps out man. I love these moves, and I can't wait to see you do them in person.

[kayetech]

Great video! I have been toying around with similar stuff recently, mostly the first half of your video. Then you took it further. =) More things to play with!

Kerry

[evazopfig]

wow...nice one!!!

things I didn't see before!

[diarkon]

gotta try it :)

[stickynono]

i like your horizontal isos.

[yoni0max]

Very nice, I played with a couple of those ideas a while back but there's plenty of cool new things in this that I will have to try

[AlienJon]

Nice 1 Pete! I haven't put all of my current ideas about linear isolations, as I call them, but there is a playlist of simulations on my channel relating line isos and pendulums. Check it out!

[NathanielEverist]

Hey, just a question, does anybody know why these are called linear (or line) isolations? I can see where the line part comes from, but I don't understand what makes them isolated. In fact, they seem pretty un-isolated as the entire poi and hand are both moving through space at all times (except the theoretical moment that the poi change direction). Can somebody explain it? Or is it just that people like the word isolation? :P

[AlienJon]

My interpretation takes more of a general object manipulation PoV: What poi spinners call 'isolations' are a form of 'point isolation': You are isolating a single point in space. There is a continuum of point iso that goes all the way to the head of the poi, or 'full iso'.

Think about how spatial point iso applies to staff/baton, club, contact spheres, a dancer's body, miming, etc.

[AlienJon]

Continued: point iso works because a part that normally would be moving is staying still.

Linear iso: you isolate a point to precise movement on a line in space. A similar idea in that the iso part should normally be doing something other than moving in a straight line.

Think about isolationist style contact juggling, it's not all just point iso, it is also linear iso.

Linear iso is a more inclusive and complex category, since a line is a dimensional order of magnitude more complex than a point

[NathanielEverist]

I understand what you're saying, especially about how poi is isolated in terms of a point, like 1/2, 3/4 and 1/1; or a point. But the usage of the term isolation still doesn't sit right with me. You're isolating that point to move in a straight line, but the fact that it's moving to me, would mean that it's not actually isolated, rather just guided movement (different from a moving isolation, where you are isolating it in relation to your body, but moving that isolation in relation to space).

[NathanielEverist]

To elaborate, if I was just spinning the poi in front of me, I wouldn't call that a circular or cyclical isolation, just because the head's movement is isolated to the circle of my control. A contact juggling example, I wouldn't call rolling the sphere from the cradle to an outside elbow stall and back again a linear isolation because it's moving in a straight line, because it's still moving, not only in relation to my body, but also in relation to space...

[NathanielEverist]

...If I moved my arm however, to equate the movement of the sphere so as to keep the ball still in relation to space, then it would be isolated. Of course, when I use the term "space", I'm referring to our perception of movement and spacial awareness, as to truly isolate something in space, we'd need to know the direction the Earth, Sun, Galaxy and possibly universe are traveling, and at what speed in relation to an objective perception (god), so as to truly isolate it. :D

[AlienJon]

Right right frame of reference is a tricky one. I think we can simplify it most of the time by assuming the local patch of earth we are on and that of observers local to said patch. ;-)

[AlienJon]

Now we get to the core of it: context... and then it gets tricky again. It's about the perceived hierarchy of movement. Observers brains expect to see the hand move if the arm moves. So if you isolate your hand wile moving your arm around you start to create an interesting effect. If you move your hand in a very steady linear manner it also creates a similar effect (think "the Robot"), because the arm usual makes more radial, accelerating/decelerating motions.

[AlienJon]

If we perceive a simple motion, things hierarchically linked to the moving object should be making simple motions too... or vice versa, a more complex motion should produce a more complex, maybe even chaotic motion from the hierarchy. So if you are making a more complex motion, like waving your arm around but the center of your poi stays still, it creates the interesting effect. Similarly if you are flailing your arm around, but the poi head makes a line even though it is rotating... =)

[AlienJon]

I'm not entirely stuck on the term linear isolation, either. Although another reason might be the path to discovery: You can arrive at these types of patterns by starting with normal iso and moving the whole point iso system (poi hand arm etc) linearly. In fact if you do it right you'll find yourself doing a cateye. ;-P

At this point it might be good to explore this on HoP or something, cuz it is a fascinating topic for discussion, and 500 words isn't enough!

[42ohashbrownies]

take me to church!!!

[Bialekonie]

good

[Cyrik]

Nice one

[Exuro89]

very nicely done