Nice visual... but misses a significant details... death to self before service is one. One must fall to the ground like a seed and be willing to be nothing to be used for anything. The video instead promotes at 1:37, love, liberate, lead, launch... all dynamics of the Purpose Driven mandate. It misses the intrinsic nature of commission. Holiness, refinement, santification, fasting, prayer, bearing the yoke... but these oversights are typical of the modern church.
I don't know if it is the city I live in or if this is going on all over the world. We can't feed the homeless unless we obtain a permit, feed the exact same homeless people each time and food must be prepared in a "certified" kitchen and inspected. When in a public park, giving free hugs, we were ran off for disturbing the peace and threatened with jail and fines. One can't visit inmates in jail, as Jesus instructs us to do, without having a body cavity search. The list goes on and on. :(
WOW! WOW! WOW! This is very POWERFUL, profound and liberating! Truth! If only we would heed to the truth! Thank you for sharing, I am forwarding this to everyone I know......God bless you!
@490er - yes, it could easily be misinterpreted that only America was sending out people. The intended meaning could have been that America needs to send people out. The problem today with sending anyone out is that the rest of the world doesn't speak "American." How many days I have had to hang my head in shame at the ignorance of our nation. A nation that was blessed by God and then turned their backs on him. God forgive them fore they know not what they do.
Most .Church is all about intertainment....what can we do for u.....instead of what can u do for the church ....and many is as a country club.....and many do not even prepare their hearts for worship ...many never even heard it preached about...preachers r watering down the Gospel..it is a feel good sermon..or a prosperity sermon...or lets not offend anyone ..oh my I feel I could write a book on this..maybe I need too.....It is all about Jesu.......
Thank you for this video. My church has 'Making Disciples' as the motto of 2012. With your permission I will post this video on our website home page.
Hear what God of Israel YAHUSHUA-YAHUWAH (Son and Father are ONE) saying to our generation by His chosen prophets: Trumpetcallofgodonline. com ; Letter called "Purify Your Faith, and Come to the Father as It is Written": EXCERPT: "Only in the Bible and through these very Letters, of which I have given to My prophet of the end of this age, shall you find Him and know Him."
This Discipling video is a wonderful reminder of the Church to which we aspire. Many have gotten off track, off message, off mission. We allow ourselves to become distracted, dis-eased, and diseased ... all of which steal our focus on what we need to be about. We need to stand against the forces that set themselves up to be little gods and show the world in contrast a compassionate God who loves every one of us. Thank you for creating and sharing this video.
This is a wonderful concept, in theory. Problem is, the Church is no longer about spreading the word; it's about bringing in as much donations as is possible.
Churches don't care about people anymore, really. They talk about loving your neighbor while ignoring their pain.
I went from Church to Church throughout California for 10 years straight, and the end result was always the same -- a building with people devoid of love.
I now stay out of church and worship on my own, at home....
@darkridr25 - hey friend, if you want to get in touch with a church of the type you have been looking for - let me know r2beadles at hotmail dot com and I will make contact with my brothers in Cali. Disciples of Jesus who love God, love the Word and love each other are there, my friend! We are by no means perfect, but we strive for obedience to the word and to sharing his love with others as our mission in a very practical personal way
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."
I think marrying her for life is better than slitting her throat and burying her in your backyard, or keeping her as a sex slave for 6 years.
@BenNiichan Really, I would think that because of the suicide rates among rape victims that weren't forced to marry their rapists is high enough without making it worse. Perhaps you know therapy for the victim and a prison sentence would be more appropriate.... Is that really something you would want for yourself in that situation? I can also assume that forcing a brutal abusive rapist to marry his victim would be like sentencing the victim to a lifetime of repeated rape and torture... good idea
You know what, you are right. I didn't think about it from that perspective. Thanks for bringing it to light.
However, the reason I wrote my reply is not to say that the rapist should marry his/her victim, but rather to say that the rapist would have to pay for the crime he/she had done. We can't seriously take every word of the Bible literally today, because the Bible was written in times when the culture was totally different.
@DJTripState We are not under the law anymore. The old testament is over. We are under the new testament. Jesus said we have a new commandment and it is to (love God with all your heart and love your neighbor like you love yourself.) If you do this you fulfill the law. If you are saved the law is written in your hearts. If you truly treat others as if you love them you will not sin against them.
@DJTripState Not really.Matt. 5:17 says the law is fullfilled as well.You do not understand what i am saying.We are not under the law any more.You cannot please God by doing the law.You cannot be saved by your own merits.No one can keep the law and not fall short.Jesus is clearly pointing out that even the Pahrisees could not keep the law.If you do the law you are sin conscious.To be free from sin is to have a righteous conscious.If you believe on Jesus you will not have an urge to sin anymore.
@DJTripState By the way if you read Deut. 22:28 it is not talking about rape in any way it is talking about a man that seduces a woman.It is very clear that the woman was willing and not raped.So your earlier statement is void.And i was not saying in my other reply that we are free to sin but that we are free from sin.But you have to believe Jesus for that.It can be done i live free from all sin now.Im not saying i never sin but i dont have a strong desire to sin as i once did.Read Romans ch7&8.
awesome video!! This is the real church! i just dont think that America is the only country that has the gospel though, but i am sure that you didnt mean it that way.
@blackpurlinrussia You probably wrote this to encourage believers in the States, and I applaud that. But i would have to disagree with your sentence about only 'American Christians' being able to change the world. Why categorize? As brothers and sisters, the whole CHURCH has to go out and reach out. Not only 'American Christians'.
WOW! Great stuff. Our team is serving in Moldova trying to spread the vision of discipleship and this is a powerful tool. The Russian version is helpful, and if it would be possible to have a Romanian version that would be a huge help as well. Thanks so much for this creative and moving portrayal of biblical discipleship!
Soooooooooooooo easy to criticize the church as it is... and make cute little "if only" animations... anyone can do that! What if our buildings and programs are enabling people to find a place where they can become Christians... and are providing places where people can be equipped for life... that's reality... and its happening! So lets not get rid of everything we have and live in fields just yet!
@CTRiow Actual buildings and equipping programs aren't going anywhere any time soon, and I don't think very many people, or even this video maker is calling for that... but having more home groups during the week,and spreading out the burden of leadership, getting people to participate as active members of the body of the church rather than being passively entertained, I think is something that Christians and non-Christians alike crave more than ever as the world moves in the opposite direction.
@CTRiow It was not meant to criticize anyone. It was made specifically by the Tshibakas for their message at the Foursquare Connection 2011. It was meant to speak to their own church with conviction about our priorities, not what you should or should not be doing. It says "less" not "don't." And it was a thought provoker said in love not condemnation.
@samueldiekmann the Pastors that made this video have their own youtube channel. You have to search for "this is discipling, this is Church" by the Tshibakas.
The salt of the world is supposed to be greatly divided among the world, not together in a building. The Great Commision is outside the Church, not inside like nowadays. Just look at the apostles and how they preached the gospel. Many people are now afraid to go and make disciples. They just stay and wait for people to come to church.
Lol at the persecution towards Christians :)) it just makes us Jesus followers believe that we are doing something right to make the world disown us :))
Entertainment is the churches last defence. We live in a time where we know a lot of the bible is fiction. Most of the youth that ive know have been straying from a dieing religion to a more philisofical or agnostic standpoint.The bible teaches many good things and has many decent children stories in it but any man with free thought can see its just another book. I believe in god and i feel that its best to enjoy life as much as possible. Be a decent human being thats all anyone can do.
can you imagine if the parents actually lived this out with their children, that alone would be a huge impact. otherwise we want the church to watch over our kids, keep them clean or we blame the church when a spouse goes off the reservation. maybe we should simply invest in people intentionally, kind of like Jesus did! B
The pastors who made the video have their own youtube page and have been posting other translations including spanish and russian. it won't let me put the link but you can find them by searching "this is discipling, this is church" by the Tshibakas
Lovin' this!! Maybe some Conviction to the church will get us Christians to Finally stop this trend of self-service and begin to share the gift of Christ to those in need of it!!!! I'm praying for this ministry and I'm also praying for those whose persecutions make this video all the more relevant to the morality of this and many other countries... Lovin' This, man!
I have to say that Kelly and Niki don't just "talk the talk." They also "walk the walk." Kelly took the time to get up at 4:30 in the morning to disciple a group of us women at a coffee shop. Then, she went to a full-time job and then came home to a family at night, often opening her home to the "church" at night. And Niki quit a high profile job as an attorney to be our pastor at a pittance. They are true examples of what discipleship should look like. True heart goes into their ministry.
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Man fuck this wtf if you relized we are in the 21st century we can not take breaks family comes first then friends then work then free time the useless stuff then church
@stareyepearls I would agree that there are churches that fit this description. God called me to a church that does disciple its members and attenders if they want to taught. It is through activities, such as small group studies. It is also through productions that bring people into the church to hear Christ's message. It is through music that leads one in worship, drama that gets the message across, as well as teaching and preaching.
Hypocritical church fluff a it's best! What if I use media to convict you for having church? Another typical now generation al gore type telling others they're naughty while they fly around in jets! What if you piss off and do what Jesus said yourself? You do know wj
this video is using entertainment to spread a message against using entertainment to spread a message, lol. I think music is a great tool to evangelize, but I do agree that more Christians should go out and talk to people one on one and make disciples.
@opivy07 I don't see anything in the video saying entertainment is bad. It only states "if less of... than less of...?" painting a picture of a church that stops putting ALL their focus on entertaining the body of Christ and more on discipling.
Very true! ..I'm blessed to be a part of Christ's body where this is being lived out! Many studying the bible and one baptized into Christ yesterday!
Mt. 28:18- "Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you, (including going to make disciples!)..and I will be with you ALWAYS" !
1 of my responses to @jrmonarch was cut. Preceding "at this rate," I typed that our church is 30-50 attendees and was hosted in the pastor's house until about 2 years ago, then we began renting. Since then 1 attendee left to church plant, 1 intern left to church plant, 1 young couple left to church plant. B/c w'r small, fixed expenses are like rent, wage, & utilities will be relatively large. We'll remain small because we keep sending out church-plants.
@OuLuYang What if we are MEANT to be small? Like the early church. And what if we are not meant to have rent, wages and utilities? Like the early church. And what if your dinner table became a church plant? Among your neighbours. Like the early church. What if that's the Lord's strategy to reach your street, your city, your nation? What if?
We don't spend many hours at church mtgs b/c ppl blow these off. No official bible study: that's left up to the lighthouses. However, a regular practice at church service is to split into groups of "people whom you don't know" (in order to build new relationships that eventually become "time with believers"), talk about the week's spiritual issues, and relate that to the text of the bible. Spiritual multitasking. Thus sum of all this might be 10 hrs/week, versus 70hrs/wk spent with nonbelievers.
@jrmonarch At this rate, we'll never be a big church and so the pastor's wages and the price of renting our main space will remain the biggest line-items on our budget.
We're surrounded by non-believers 24/7, and the amount of engagement with non-believers varies from attendee to attendee. Occasionally an attendee will bring a non-believer to church, and like spiders to the fly, we use hospitality to lure them into our web of CHRISTIAN LOVE. bwahahahahaha!
@jrmonarch Today our children's ministry only costs volunteers' time; whatever we spent several years ago to acquire the Kingdom Kids bible-study curriculum and associated puppets. We don't do wednesday potlucks, but I think that's a good idea because it costs the church nothing if people bring their own dishes, and dinner is a great bonding experience. Instead we do "lighthouses" as you saw in the video, where people meet for fellowship and discipling. Some lighthouses serve dinner, others dont
Thanks for taking the feedback. I guess we all need to realise that videos on youtube will reach beyond our denominations and hopefully work for a united kingdom of God rather than a divided denominational one! Plus I am sure within your churches are a multitude of nationalities! I would love a version in Spanish please, as I am ministering in Peru!
I think this video is great. A very engaging way of getting the message out about discipleship being the core of church life and growth (in depth and numbers).
My only criticism is that when the 'launch' animation comes up the light goes from the USA to the rest of the world; a very ethnocentric mistake! There are people now being 'launched' from the majority world go to Europe and the States where Church life is in actually in decline... it should be from all places to all places...
Hi there! This is the producer of the video here! Thank you so much for your very insightful comment! Good point!!! My wife and I will consider it. The reason we did it the way we did is because we prepared it for our denomination -- the U.S. Foursquare Church. So, it was a call for the members of our denomination in the U.S. to redouble our efforts at making disciples. If we want others to use it, though, we may want to consider reworking that piece. Thanks for that insight!
this is a great message for all churches! most of the time we think that having fun programs would draw people to Christ.sometimes it's just empty! Yes, God uses those things but still it's in power on the saving grace and the blood of Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit that convicts sinners to repentance.
@MANAUIAkioku Ridiculous comment. It's not the church's business to decide this in the first place, since it has no power over the civil arena. Secondly, since when do gay people who are objecting to God's authority care what happens in a church. Why should you seek for approval from a church? What you actually want is for people to tell you that it's fine for you to practice homosexuality. Why should that it be important to you? THAT's the REAL question.
@franceseattle LOL. why is homosexuality important to people? are you a fucking retard? OH OH if i have a dick and the person i love has a vagina thats important to people. but if i love someone with a dick OH SHIT! THATS SO DIFFERENT, OBVIOUSLY A GOD WHO CREATED THE UINIVERSE GIVES A FUCK IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SUCK ON A COCK! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHA you are insane
@MANAUIAkioku You obviously don't have any serious point to make. Since you do not believe in God, why are you even involved in this discussion? Homosexuality isn't important to people, it's evidently all that matters to YOU! That fact is what makes you an unbalanced person. Apparently good manners and civilized discourse don't matter to you. I repeat, sin is what separates us from God, most importantly, sin which is not confessed and forgiven. Homosexuality is merely one of the sins.
@franceseattle how are you so sure that god exists to begin with? hes making you hate people who just trying express their love for eachother, but a "loving" god wants you to call them sinners and take away their civil rights.
also, you do know that if god is everything. that means hes rape, murder, and torture too. you know its also a possibility that humans just couldn't explain things, so they made up god to explain it for them
You claim that God makes me hate people. Not true. I am a total sinner myself. Do I hate myself? I don't believe you understand what sin is and what it means. Every human being is a sinner. Christians do not hate people because they are sinners. And certainly I do not hate homosexuals. And no one is taking any "rights" away from homosexuals. They have always had the same rights as everyone else.
@MANAUIAkioku What homosexuals these days actually WANT are special rights based on their sexual preferences. This is not a "right". It is not a right that homosexuals have EVER had. What you want is to change society in a way that you imagine will make you feel better about your choices. My point is that no one can make you feel better about your choices. You have to do that for yourself. If your choices are so wonderful, why do you need approbation from others?
@MANAUIAkioku I never said that God is everything. God is the creator of the universe, and of mankind. However, mankind has free will to make choices, either to obey God or to act as if he himself is god. God, according to the bible, is righteousness, perfection, holiness, beauty, truth, wisdom, justice and mercy. This is not the same as saying that God is everything. That viewpoint is more reflective of Hinduism. I have responded to you in love, and I pray that you will seek and find God.
I have had a look at the other Foursquare stuff, and you seem pretty fixated on the identity and prestige of your church. This clip makes the very old mistake of assuming that all the hard work of maintaining church structures, equipping ministries etc is easily divorced from the front line mission work. It isn't: it is all one work.
@inclusivechrist While I do somewhat agree with you, I believe the video means 'less like' how it says it. Structures are good and events are good, but when we get caught up in trying to match what everyone else is doing, e.g., having coffee bars and light shows on a Sunday morning we completely put the focus on church and us, when instead it should be on Christ and maturing ourselves and others in Him. I fully believe in a lifestyle system that actively disciples new and mature converts.
I appreciate the rather easy-going counterfactual thinking presented here, which juxtaposes the reality of an "empty way of life handed down to us from our ancestors" against a hypothetical "better experience" of His love so that we may be encouraged to "spur one another on toward love and good deeds."
To be a driver of affective reactions, is it possible for your team "to show" an alternate version based upon the "hard teachings" of Jesus Christ?
You are right, I was a bit too blunt and this is a really well done video. My apologies - post removed. Now get off the computer and go out and disciple.
Thank you so much for the creative and biblical reminder of what our mission is. Thank you especially for reminding us without using judgment, criticism, or guilt; which are death to loving relationships and have no place in the kingdom of God.
Hey man! Thanks so much for commenting on the video! We are so excited that it is resonating with people. It was worth the effort! We should catch up sometime soon. You keeping in touch with anyone from Blackstone?
also, and this is by no means an attack on you, but who is to say that this person isn't doing this to the best of their ability. We're supposed to build each other up and encourage one another and point each other in the right direction, which is all a part of discipleship, don't you think? and that's exactly what this video is all about.
Nice visual... but misses a significant details... death to self before service is one. One must fall to the ground like a seed and be willing to be nothing to be used for anything. The video instead promotes at 1:37, love, liberate, lead, launch... all dynamics of the Purpose Driven mandate. It misses the intrinsic nature of commission. Holiness, refinement, santification, fasting, prayer, bearing the yoke... but these oversights are typical of the modern church.
Inndesign 4 days ago
I don't know if it is the city I live in or if this is going on all over the world. We can't feed the homeless unless we obtain a permit, feed the exact same homeless people each time and food must be prepared in a "certified" kitchen and inspected. When in a public park, giving free hugs, we were ran off for disturbing the peace and threatened with jail and fines. One can't visit inmates in jail, as Jesus instructs us to do, without having a body cavity search. The list goes on and on. :(
Onlymanolos 6 days ago
what is the name of the song?
finchth 1 week ago
Exactly! Pray for us as pastors that we spare nothing to fulfill the commission Jesus gave and reach the world he died for!
obimackenobi 2 weeks ago
you had crying at hello
keepinitfloored 2 weeks ago
There is power in the simplicity of the message and in this video! I have never been so inspired by a cartoon before!!
angar8668 2 weeks ago
I love it!!! Maranatha!
Clorell 2 weeks ago
WOW! WOW! WOW! This is very POWERFUL, profound and liberating! Truth! If only we would heed to the truth! Thank you for sharing, I am forwarding this to everyone I know......God bless you!
vettamae 3 weeks ago
AMEN x3
509AIRBORNE 3 weeks ago
AMENNNNNNNNNN THIS VIDEO WAS GREAT ! GLORY BE TO GOD !!!
sleepersown 3 weeks ago
Great Video!
pillblooms 3 weeks ago
Anyone having tips to practice discipling?
lisskiss18 3 weeks ago
really great message!
Thanks.
theknowlidgeful 3 weeks ago
WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
ZodiacEl 3 weeks ago
Wow, straight to the soul!
soulofponder 3 weeks ago
I don't even need to complete the video...its WOW and Right On! Way to go! keep it coming!
mr316colossians 3 weeks ago
Wow, just the way it is!
JesusAllfor 3 weeks ago
NOW THIS IS A GREAT VIDEO.....GOOD WORK
TRAINERBIGJ 3 weeks ago
Thankyou it was uplifting made me think
mikeoli 3 weeks ago
Yes! AMEN!
PonyGirl4Jesus 3 weeks ago
A RESOUNDING AMEN
tridentair 3 weeks ago
weapons of mass deception, once again
EztliAztecatl 3 weeks ago
This is an excellent video!
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lol funny america attacking everyone else now???
490er 1 month ago
@490er - yes, it could easily be misinterpreted that only America was sending out people. The intended meaning could have been that America needs to send people out. The problem today with sending anyone out is that the rest of the world doesn't speak "American." How many days I have had to hang my head in shame at the ignorance of our nation. A nation that was blessed by God and then turned their backs on him. God forgive them fore they know not what they do.
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fucking all this church new age hipster shit is gay
Mateo92s 1 month ago
Most .Church is all about intertainment....what can we do for u.....instead of what can u do for the church ....and many is as a country club.....and many do not even prepare their hearts for worship ...many never even heard it preached about...preachers r watering down the Gospel..it is a feel good sermon..or a prosperity sermon...or lets not offend anyone ..oh my I feel I could write a book on this..maybe I need too.....It is all about Jesu.......
jadkhalaf 1 month ago
Amen !!!
wernersunkel 1 month ago 8
Superb
munderstatement 1 month ago
This is the truth.....I love it...Its powerful
castronoel 1 month ago 5
Thank you for this video. My church has 'Making Disciples' as the motto of 2012. With your permission I will post this video on our website home page.
Asteptator 2 months ago
God Bless You!
RealLoveForYou 2 months ago
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TrumpetCallofGodLT 2 months ago
Great video, but too bad it made it seem as though Christianity has to spread out from the US to the rest of the world...
dars2607 2 months ago
One GREAT video! Nufsaid!
Galaxyhunter1 2 months ago
But someone spent time making this video, when they could have been out making disciples. Herp de derp.
FailAccountName 2 months ago
Hey, what an ispiration from God for us in Mexico. I found your page and will keep it forever!.
God Bless you all brothers from Mexico!.
Sofleda 3 months ago
wow...hallelujah! Got me shouting
glaxforio18 3 months ago
it took 2 minutes to convict a soul, but less than a second to commit a sin. Beautiful message. Thanks Kelly! :)
cspdaniel 3 months ago
This Discipling video is a wonderful reminder of the Church to which we aspire. Many have gotten off track, off message, off mission. We allow ourselves to become distracted, dis-eased, and diseased ... all of which steal our focus on what we need to be about. We need to stand against the forces that set themselves up to be little gods and show the world in contrast a compassionate God who loves every one of us. Thank you for creating and sharing this video.
calllori 3 months ago
This is a wonderful concept, in theory. Problem is, the Church is no longer about spreading the word; it's about bringing in as much donations as is possible.
Churches don't care about people anymore, really. They talk about loving your neighbor while ignoring their pain.
I went from Church to Church throughout California for 10 years straight, and the end result was always the same -- a building with people devoid of love.
I now stay out of church and worship on my own, at home....
darkridr25 4 months ago
@darkridr25 - hey friend, if you want to get in touch with a church of the type you have been looking for - let me know r2beadles at hotmail dot com and I will make contact with my brothers in Cali. Disciples of Jesus who love God, love the Word and love each other are there, my friend! We are by no means perfect, but we strive for obedience to the word and to sharing his love with others as our mission in a very practical personal way
r2beadles 3 months ago
@r2beadles obedience to the word? Every word? like this one: Deu 22: 28-29... or this one Lev 19: 27?
DJTripState 3 months ago
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Deu 22:28-29
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."
I think marrying her for life is better than slitting her throat and burying her in your backyard, or keeping her as a sex slave for 6 years.
I'm just saying.
BenNiichan 3 months ago
@BenNiichan Really, I would think that because of the suicide rates among rape victims that weren't forced to marry their rapists is high enough without making it worse. Perhaps you know therapy for the victim and a prison sentence would be more appropriate.... Is that really something you would want for yourself in that situation? I can also assume that forcing a brutal abusive rapist to marry his victim would be like sentencing the victim to a lifetime of repeated rape and torture... good idea
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You know what, you are right. I didn't think about it from that perspective. Thanks for bringing it to light.
However, the reason I wrote my reply is not to say that the rapist should marry his/her victim, but rather to say that the rapist would have to pay for the crime he/she had done. We can't seriously take every word of the Bible literally today, because the Bible was written in times when the culture was totally different.
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BenNiichan 3 months ago
@DJTripState We are not under the law anymore. The old testament is over. We are under the new testament. Jesus said we have a new commandment and it is to (love God with all your heart and love your neighbor like you love yourself.) If you do this you fulfill the law. If you are saved the law is written in your hearts. If you truly treat others as if you love them you will not sin against them.
rockhauler1 3 months ago
@rockhauler1 Then you would be ignoring Matthew 5:17...
DJTripState 3 months ago
@DJTripState Not really.Matt. 5:17 says the law is fullfilled as well.You do not understand what i am saying.We are not under the law any more.You cannot please God by doing the law.You cannot be saved by your own merits.No one can keep the law and not fall short.Jesus is clearly pointing out that even the Pahrisees could not keep the law.If you do the law you are sin conscious.To be free from sin is to have a righteous conscious.If you believe on Jesus you will not have an urge to sin anymore.
rockhauler1 3 months ago
@DJTripState By the way if you read Deut. 22:28 it is not talking about rape in any way it is talking about a man that seduces a woman.It is very clear that the woman was willing and not raped.So your earlier statement is void.And i was not saying in my other reply that we are free to sin but that we are free from sin.But you have to believe Jesus for that.It can be done i live free from all sin now.Im not saying i never sin but i dont have a strong desire to sin as i once did.Read Romans ch7&8.
rockhauler1 3 months ago
Great point! But this video was made with a particular audience in mind -- the American church. Hence its focus!
kjtshibaka 4 months ago
What song is this?
RussinP 4 months ago
Interesting but a bit naive - this isn't the complete picture of what church is. but quite entertaining anyway
boltonwandererskings 4 months ago
666 likes ... hmmmmmmmm
gferrell20 4 months ago
What a dangerous Cult, rescue yourselfs as long as you can!
1215ppk 4 months ago
can i just say this is unbelievably awesome :)
kiki1299able 4 months ago
awesome video!! This is the real church! i just dont think that America is the only country that has the gospel though, but i am sure that you didnt mean it that way.
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blackpurlinrussia 4 months ago 7
@blackpurlinrussia Please don't make divisions, just disciple the world. Thank you
haroldl4u2 3 months ago
@blackpurlinrussia You probably wrote this to encourage believers in the States, and I applaud that. But i would have to disagree with your sentence about only 'American Christians' being able to change the world. Why categorize? As brothers and sisters, the whole CHURCH has to go out and reach out. Not only 'American Christians'.
Clarium 3 months ago
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blackpurlinrussia 3 months ago
@blackpurlinrussia This is a silly comment. You have the typical American anti-American disease
willsjaime 3 months ago
this music drove chills down my spine!
noelz14 4 months ago
this is a great engaging video. i was totally glued to this.
jawl87 4 months ago
This is as it should be..not jus going to a building on Sun..but building a family of disciples everyday anywhere..awe inspiring!
IamKellyeLaw 4 months ago
Ephesians 5:17
GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
17 So don’t be foolish, but understand what the Lord wants.
MsCyn12 4 months ago
This is a video that the whole world should see!
mateusudo4 5 months ago
O be for real--that's not proper church!
waginglove 5 months ago
love this!
MEMSified 5 months ago
WOW! Great stuff. Our team is serving in Moldova trying to spread the vision of discipleship and this is a powerful tool. The Russian version is helpful, and if it would be possible to have a Romanian version that would be a huge help as well. Thanks so much for this creative and moving portrayal of biblical discipleship!
rjsanders2 5 months ago
What is the name of that song? please
snipershz 5 months ago
@snipershz the music comes from the song "Love" by Jaeson Ma with Bruno Mars' vocals :)
sofffie7 5 months ago 2
@sofffie7 Thank you...
snipershz 5 months ago
Beautiful!
tintiano 5 months ago
Soooooooooooooo easy to criticize the church as it is... and make cute little "if only" animations... anyone can do that! What if our buildings and programs are enabling people to find a place where they can become Christians... and are providing places where people can be equipped for life... that's reality... and its happening! So lets not get rid of everything we have and live in fields just yet!
PS- love the method of crossing the Atlantic!
CTRiow 6 months ago
@CTRiow Actual buildings and equipping programs aren't going anywhere any time soon, and I don't think very many people, or even this video maker is calling for that... but having more home groups during the week,and spreading out the burden of leadership, getting people to participate as active members of the body of the church rather than being passively entertained, I think is something that Christians and non-Christians alike crave more than ever as the world moves in the opposite direction.
rs1372 5 months ago
@CTRiow It was not meant to criticize anyone. It was made specifically by the Tshibakas for their message at the Foursquare Connection 2011. It was meant to speak to their own church with conviction about our priorities, not what you should or should not be doing. It says "less" not "don't." And it was a thought provoker said in love not condemnation.
JDreamer7 5 months ago
anyone felt powerfull feeling and goosebumps
ashishinus 6 months ago
hello, I would like to translate the video into German. Who made the film? Can you put me in touch with him?
samueldiekmann 6 months ago
@samueldiekmann the Pastors that made this video have their own youtube channel. You have to search for "this is discipling, this is Church" by the Tshibakas.
JDreamer7 5 months ago
The salt of the world is supposed to be greatly divided among the world, not together in a building. The Great Commision is outside the Church, not inside like nowadays. Just look at the apostles and how they preached the gospel. Many people are now afraid to go and make disciples. They just stay and wait for people to come to church.
andredid 6 months ago
very powerful!!
i am reminded
jeffseryoso 6 months ago
what's this song?
5625local 6 months ago
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@5625local the music comes from the song "Love" by Jaeson Ma with Bruno Mars' vocals :)
sofffie7 5 months ago
where do you find this kind of music?
5625local 6 months ago
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@5625local the music comes from the song "Love" by Jaeson Ma with Bruno Mars' vocals :)
sofffie7 5 months ago
@5625local its stock music
JDreamer7 5 months ago
Lol at the persecution towards Christians :)) it just makes us Jesus followers believe that we are doing something right to make the world disown us :))
azsult 6 months ago
love this vid....ready to lauch?????????? am ready....like this if u r ready too
syntax880 6 months ago
Entertainment is the churches last defence. We live in a time where we know a lot of the bible is fiction. Most of the youth that ive know have been straying from a dieing religion to a more philisofical or agnostic standpoint.The bible teaches many good things and has many decent children stories in it but any man with free thought can see its just another book. I believe in god and i feel that its best to enjoy life as much as possible. Be a decent human being thats all anyone can do.
ps3tony1 6 months ago
can you imagine if the parents actually lived this out with their children, that alone would be a huge impact. otherwise we want the church to watch over our kids, keep them clean or we blame the church when a spouse goes off the reservation. maybe we should simply invest in people intentionally, kind of like Jesus did! B
gc3redmond 6 months ago
The pastors who made the video have their own youtube page and have been posting other translations including spanish and russian. it won't let me put the link but you can find them by searching "this is discipling, this is church" by the Tshibakas
JStoryTeller 7 months ago
oh god
papiocutie 7 months ago
3 people don't believe in God ..
P33ksABoo 7 months ago
Lovin' this!! Maybe some Conviction to the church will get us Christians to Finally stop this trend of self-service and begin to share the gift of Christ to those in need of it!!!! I'm praying for this ministry and I'm also praying for those whose persecutions make this video all the more relevant to the morality of this and many other countries... Lovin' This, man!
tk07takeo 7 months ago
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Fuck all this religon bullshit
burnaxe500 7 months ago
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Fuck this world
burnaxe500 7 months ago
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Fuck religon
burnaxe500 7 months ago
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Guck religon
burnaxe500 7 months ago
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Fuck god
burnaxe500 7 months ago
truly great question to ask especially in this age where churches reduce time 4 the word and increase time spent on entertainment...when we r to edify
may God help us keep the focus by staying true to his word
crazeedella1 7 months ago
I have to say that Kelly and Niki don't just "talk the talk." They also "walk the walk." Kelly took the time to get up at 4:30 in the morning to disciple a group of us women at a coffee shop. Then, she went to a full-time job and then came home to a family at night, often opening her home to the "church" at night. And Niki quit a high profile job as an attorney to be our pastor at a pittance. They are true examples of what discipleship should look like. True heart goes into their ministry.
Tjenbell 7 months ago
why is there so much hate towards this video? i mean you watched it in the first place, i thnik its a good challenge, and a good video.
benbowtrust 7 months ago
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Man fuck this wtf if you relized we are in the 21st century we can not take breaks family comes first then friends then work then free time the useless stuff then church
burnaxe500 7 months ago
@MrMotoManiac70 get a life!
divadslochin 7 months ago
This puts the whole American church at what it is trying to do, but not succeeding.
We need to work harder for God, not attention on ourselves.
stareyepearls 7 months ago
@stareyepearls I would agree that there are churches that fit this description. God called me to a church that does disciple its members and attenders if they want to taught. It is through activities, such as small group studies. It is also through productions that bring people into the church to hear Christ's message. It is through music that leads one in worship, drama that gets the message across, as well as teaching and preaching.
Evangeline220 6 months ago
how did you make this video? very good production.
emajor109 8 months ago
Hypocritical church fluff a it's best! What if I use media to convict you for having church? Another typical now generation al gore type telling others they're naughty while they fly around in jets! What if you piss off and do what Jesus said yourself? You do know wj
TheDlh69 8 months ago
this video is using entertainment to spread a message against using entertainment to spread a message, lol. I think music is a great tool to evangelize, but I do agree that more Christians should go out and talk to people one on one and make disciples.
opivy07 8 months ago
@opivy07 I don't see anything in the video saying entertainment is bad. It only states "if less of... than less of...?" painting a picture of a church that stops putting ALL their focus on entertaining the body of Christ and more on discipling.
JStoryTeller 7 months ago
@JStoryTeller I was sort of kidding, I agree that people should go out and make disciples by just talking to them and loving them.
opivy07 7 months ago
Very true! ..I'm blessed to be a part of Christ's body where this is being lived out! Many studying the bible and one baptized into Christ yesterday!
Mt. 28:18- "Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you, (including going to make disciples!)..and I will be with you ALWAYS" !
jacquekeen 8 months ago
LOVE THIS!!!
BigFamilyFun 8 months ago
It's what I've been saying for a while now: People need Jesus & we give them church.
KnightofMotley 8 months ago
1 of my responses to @jrmonarch was cut. Preceding "at this rate," I typed that our church is 30-50 attendees and was hosted in the pastor's house until about 2 years ago, then we began renting. Since then 1 attendee left to church plant, 1 intern left to church plant, 1 young couple left to church plant. B/c w'r small, fixed expenses are like rent, wage, & utilities will be relatively large. We'll remain small because we keep sending out church-plants.
OuLuYang 8 months ago 2
@OuLuYang What if we are MEANT to be small? Like the early church. And what if we are not meant to have rent, wages and utilities? Like the early church. And what if your dinner table became a church plant? Among your neighbours. Like the early church. What if that's the Lord's strategy to reach your street, your city, your nation? What if?
imabelieva1 5 months ago
We don't spend many hours at church mtgs b/c ppl blow these off. No official bible study: that's left up to the lighthouses. However, a regular practice at church service is to split into groups of "people whom you don't know" (in order to build new relationships that eventually become "time with believers"), talk about the week's spiritual issues, and relate that to the text of the bible. Spiritual multitasking. Thus sum of all this might be 10 hrs/week, versus 70hrs/wk spent with nonbelievers.
OuLuYang 8 months ago
@jrmonarch At this rate, we'll never be a big church and so the pastor's wages and the price of renting our main space will remain the biggest line-items on our budget.
We're surrounded by non-believers 24/7, and the amount of engagement with non-believers varies from attendee to attendee. Occasionally an attendee will bring a non-believer to church, and like spiders to the fly, we use hospitality to lure them into our web of CHRISTIAN LOVE. bwahahahahaha!
OuLuYang 8 months ago
@jrmonarch Today our children's ministry only costs volunteers' time; whatever we spent several years ago to acquire the Kingdom Kids bible-study curriculum and associated puppets. We don't do wednesday potlucks, but I think that's a good idea because it costs the church nothing if people bring their own dishes, and dinner is a great bonding experience. Instead we do "lighthouses" as you saw in the video, where people meet for fellowship and discipling. Some lighthouses serve dinner, others dont
OuLuYang 8 months ago
You got it! We're in the process of doing a Spanish version as well! Blessings to you!
kjtshibaka 8 months ago
@kjtshibaka
Thanks for taking the feedback. I guess we all need to realise that videos on youtube will reach beyond our denominations and hopefully work for a united kingdom of God rather than a divided denominational one! Plus I am sure within your churches are a multitude of nationalities! I would love a version in Spanish please, as I am ministering in Peru!
sharonj77 8 months ago
Great video -- a message that can transform church into the powerhouse God intends for it to be.
CSteveSimms 8 months ago
I think this video is great. A very engaging way of getting the message out about discipleship being the core of church life and growth (in depth and numbers).
My only criticism is that when the 'launch' animation comes up the light goes from the USA to the rest of the world; a very ethnocentric mistake! There are people now being 'launched' from the majority world go to Europe and the States where Church life is in actually in decline... it should be from all places to all places...
sharonj77 8 months ago 17
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Hi there! This is the producer of the video here! Thank you so much for your very insightful comment! Good point!!! My wife and I will consider it. The reason we did it the way we did is because we prepared it for our denomination -- the U.S. Foursquare Church. So, it was a call for the members of our denomination in the U.S. to redouble our efforts at making disciples. If we want others to use it, though, we may want to consider reworking that piece. Thanks for that insight!
kjtshibaka 8 months ago
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rs1372 5 months ago
Looks a lot like "The Forgotten Ways" by Alan Hirsch
underdawg00000 8 months ago
Great lesson in life
tulipsmeller 8 months ago
what song
tulipsmeller 8 months ago
powerful
zionguam 8 months ago
this is a great message for all churches! most of the time we think that having fun programs would draw people to Christ.sometimes it's just empty! Yes, God uses those things but still it's in power on the saving grace and the blood of Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit that convicts sinners to repentance.
TheSheena1118 8 months ago
wheres the part where you dont let gay people get married?
MANAUIAkioku 8 months ago
@MANAUIAkioku Ridiculous comment. It's not the church's business to decide this in the first place, since it has no power over the civil arena. Secondly, since when do gay people who are objecting to God's authority care what happens in a church. Why should you seek for approval from a church? What you actually want is for people to tell you that it's fine for you to practice homosexuality. Why should that it be important to you? THAT's the REAL question.
franceseattle 6 months ago
@franceseattle LOL. why is homosexuality important to people? are you a fucking retard? OH OH if i have a dick and the person i love has a vagina thats important to people. but if i love someone with a dick OH SHIT! THATS SO DIFFERENT, OBVIOUSLY A GOD WHO CREATED THE UINIVERSE GIVES A FUCK IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SUCK ON A COCK! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHA you are insane
MANAUIAkioku 6 months ago
@MANAUIAkioku You obviously don't have any serious point to make. Since you do not believe in God, why are you even involved in this discussion? Homosexuality isn't important to people, it's evidently all that matters to YOU! That fact is what makes you an unbalanced person. Apparently good manners and civilized discourse don't matter to you. I repeat, sin is what separates us from God, most importantly, sin which is not confessed and forgiven. Homosexuality is merely one of the sins.
franceseattle 6 months ago
@franceseattle how are you so sure that god exists to begin with? hes making you hate people who just trying express their love for eachother, but a "loving" god wants you to call them sinners and take away their civil rights.
also, you do know that if god is everything. that means hes rape, murder, and torture too. you know its also a possibility that humans just couldn't explain things, so they made up god to explain it for them
MANAUIAkioku 6 months ago
You claim that God makes me hate people. Not true. I am a total sinner myself. Do I hate myself? I don't believe you understand what sin is and what it means. Every human being is a sinner. Christians do not hate people because they are sinners. And certainly I do not hate homosexuals. And no one is taking any "rights" away from homosexuals. They have always had the same rights as everyone else.
franceseattle 6 months ago
@MANAUIAkioku What homosexuals these days actually WANT are special rights based on their sexual preferences. This is not a "right". It is not a right that homosexuals have EVER had. What you want is to change society in a way that you imagine will make you feel better about your choices. My point is that no one can make you feel better about your choices. You have to do that for yourself. If your choices are so wonderful, why do you need approbation from others?
franceseattle 6 months ago
@franceseattle Excellent response!
jtlorenzen2 6 months ago
@MANAUIAkioku I never said that God is everything. God is the creator of the universe, and of mankind. However, mankind has free will to make choices, either to obey God or to act as if he himself is god. God, according to the bible, is righteousness, perfection, holiness, beauty, truth, wisdom, justice and mercy. This is not the same as saying that God is everything. That viewpoint is more reflective of Hinduism. I have responded to you in love, and I pray that you will seek and find God.
franceseattle 6 months ago
amazing..
yellowpianooeo 8 months ago
I have had a look at the other Foursquare stuff, and you seem pretty fixated on the identity and prestige of your church. This clip makes the very old mistake of assuming that all the hard work of maintaining church structures, equipping ministries etc is easily divorced from the front line mission work. It isn't: it is all one work.
inclusivechrist 8 months ago
@inclusivechrist While I do somewhat agree with you, I believe the video means 'less like' how it says it. Structures are good and events are good, but when we get caught up in trying to match what everyone else is doing, e.g., having coffee bars and light shows on a Sunday morning we completely put the focus on church and us, when instead it should be on Christ and maturing ourselves and others in Him. I fully believe in a lifestyle system that actively disciples new and mature converts.
aftreffect 8 months ago
Simple yet profound! Thanks for this, we are going to use it at one of out gatherings.
tippimac 8 months ago
I appreciate the rather easy-going counterfactual thinking presented here, which juxtaposes the reality of an "empty way of life handed down to us from our ancestors" against a hypothetical "better experience" of His love so that we may be encouraged to "spur one another on toward love and good deeds."
To be a driver of affective reactions, is it possible for your team "to show" an alternate version based upon the "hard teachings" of Jesus Christ?
For example, the animation ends with, "This I
WHOmentors 8 months ago
You are right, I was a bit too blunt and this is a really well done video. My apologies - post removed. Now get off the computer and go out and disciple.
BoatAshoreMinistry 8 months ago
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You can bring people in using computers sir!
HolyIsHeInHeaven 8 months ago
Thank you so much for the creative and biblical reminder of what our mission is. Thank you especially for reminding us without using judgment, criticism, or guilt; which are death to loving relationships and have no place in the kingdom of God.
joshuacarden 8 months ago 2
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Hey man! Thanks so much for commenting on the video! We are so excited that it is resonating with people. It was worth the effort! We should catch up sometime soon. You keeping in touch with anyone from Blackstone?
kjtshibaka 8 months ago
@kjtshibaka blackstone the investment group?
projectoutdream 8 months ago
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BoatAshoreMinistry 8 months ago
@BoatAshoreMinistry be the change you wish to see in the world.
also, and this is by no means an attack on you, but who is to say that this person isn't doing this to the best of their ability. We're supposed to build each other up and encourage one another and point each other in the right direction, which is all a part of discipleship, don't you think? and that's exactly what this video is all about.
ew2811 8 months ago
So true!
Gardenequipment 8 months ago 2
Right On
dsprindle 8 months ago
God bless you for making this vedio really its true and excellent message. <3 it
myway2sheger 9 months ago
Such a great video!....totally true!
carloscardenas88 9 months ago
Excellent
lifecell 9 months ago
#accelerate!
evandromsms 9 months ago
Exactly.
shirleym997 9 months ago
I like this video.... Accelerate.
JoanCollene 9 months ago