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  • I think the whole argument is silly -- it should be about efficiency and waste. I'm from Canada, living in the US. The marginal income tax rate in Canada varies from 0% to 29%, which is *less* than over here. This is so-called "socialist" Canada. And at least we Canucks get free, decent health care out if it, and cheaper colleges that are government-subsidized! And your economy here is way bigger than ours, so your gov can afford to tax less and still provide better services.

  • this is to funny Sean is week on the subject just not smart enough

  • He wants to keep throwing around rates of how much the rich people pay etc. "They pay 70% of the tax income in this country". Apparently math isn't something circulated around Fox News (big surprise). 55% of 1,000,000 is 550,000. 55% of 30,000 is 16,500.

    550,000 is 30x more than 16,500. So no matter the rate, rich people over all will dominate the total amount of tax income. That concept is skewed into saying "they pay too much". Doesn't mean they pay enough, just means they have more to pay.

  • RON PAUL 2012 YOU STUPID SILLY COON NIGGER'S!!!!!! FUCK THAT NIGGER

  • once again Sean Hannity wins another debate!! :)

  • how many jobs has hannity created with the millions he's got from the tax breaks?

  • @TheGatesOfFire i dont know the exact number but its alot. he employs his producer for his radio show & tv show, the call screener, all his staff, the 3 camera men his hair & makeup people. Plus he has a mansion so he has a landscaper, cleaning people, people who built & fix his house all the furniture in his house created jobs.The food he buys, charity he donates too, restaurants he eats at, the cars he buys, the clothes he buys that all creates jobs. Thank God for rich people

  • @PatriotConservative1 and he'd still employ them witout his tax cuts. Where's the additional jobs he creates? if buying food etc makes you a job creator then we, the 99%, are the biggest job creators.

  • Hannity you are the biggest dumbs on television

  • @libsRAjoke

    Hey, man, you ever wonder WHY "90% of people @ Universities" or WTF bullshit you were just talkin' about ARE apparently liberals??

    Funny how most honest people who ARE EDUCATED lean left...don't you think? Kinda suggests something, doesn't it? Lol!

  • People who lierally hate fox news, have got some serious control issues. They must have control issues for them to be so up in arms about one cable network that has a bias right, as opposed to the umpteen left leaning networks , hundreds of print media outlets, not to mention the hollywood brain that all thinks the same , brain washing our impressionable kids with liberal bull shit. I guess the Universities in America, being over 90% Liberal/ socialist isnt enough either. Get a life ass wipes.

  • @libsRAjoke I just hate the fact that FOX manipulates/alters the news...do you agree or disagree that they alter/manipulate the news??

  • @libsRAjoke Hahahah theres so much hilariously wrong with that comment. I love you and your ignorance.

  • I liked this cat, he's smart and doesn't bite on the same old Right-Wing talking points and it drives Hannity crazy!!!! Btw...... I was gonna say I like Weiner but......................

  • I'm glad Weiner resigned, not because of the scandal around his private parts. I couldn't give less of a damn about that. It's his Jewish nationalism that made me hate him as a politician, because it was the type of extreme nationalism that makes one group hate another for no good reason. Whenever he spoke on the Middle East his arguments would be nothing close to as intelligent as when he spoke about healthcare for instance.

    I guess in the end Weiner was just another politician, nothing more.

  • @JD12ish when has Weiner ever talked about Jewish nationalism ? show me the source, where's the clip ? Anthony Weiner was great for the average American and that's why the republicannots and corporations spent millions of dollars to get them out ! I hope Obama give them both cabinet positions when he wins his second term !

  • @larryjohnny Have you tried googling/YT searching 'Weiner on Israel/Palestinians/Middle East'? Just make sure you’re sitting down when you do.

    When it came to Israel Weiner turned from defender of the needy and voiceless to an ultra-nationalist hawk.

    I mean I'm no fool. I get why he did it; as rep. of NYC he MUST appeal to his base - Jews, who are predominantly democrat but also Zionist nationalists

  • @larryjohnny What’s interesting is if you listen/read closely, you will notice a distinct difference from his other speeches; still very passionate but lacking the clear facts replaced by very vague argumentation.

    Let's face it, Weiner was just another politician, passionate and extremely competent, but still JUST another dirty politician, ready and willing to selling out his personal morals and principles for the “higher” political gain.

  • @larryjohnny I was surprised I hadn't heard this mentioned anywhere before. I first heard Cenk Uygur mention it in passing when the Weiner scandal broke out that got me curious.

    Weiner once actually said that a PLO delegation that was visiting NYC “should start packing their little Palestinian terrorist bags”. I wonder if he realizes his wife is Muslim.

  • Hannity laid the smack down.

  • ''You say rich, I say job creator, tax payer and those that give to charity'' - If he looked at the fucking facts, he'd realise that poorer Americans give a higher proportion of their salary to charity than the rich and tax cuts don't really create jobs especially when ''of the 500 big companies in the well-known Standard & Poor’s stock index, 115 paid a total corporate tax rate — both federal and otherwise — of less than 20 percent over the last five years''.

  • This is pathetic. Hannity has no idea how to communicate conservative views.

  • how come i never heard of this guy till this scandal?

  • So Hannity's got hard working friends? Fuck him, because that's not what the statistics say. The statistics say that the American economic ladder is one step shy of the Indian caste system in the way that the rich trap poorer people in cycles of poverty. NOBODY can dispute that.

    Sure, I can work hard and get rich... I can also work hard and make it in a rock band...

  • I hate Weiner for not being able to control his little sexting desires sufficiently to stay in Congress, b/c we cannot afford to lose people there who are actually on the left. The man is very smart, should have been smart enough to see what the rightwing media was going to do with this if it got out. Another Spitzer.

  • hannity got nowhere with his single minded bullshit accusatory spin question.. we have a difficult situation, raise taxes or borrow more from china putting the burden on future generations, hannity, the republicans, rupert murdoch, george w bush, michelle bachman, bill O RLY, etc, want to borrow from china and continue to fuck our working poor over the bill

  • @aezeon the whole fox news angle is to try to blame democrats as well as anyone who wants to restore fiscal responsibility for this dishonest "tax and spender" label, so i guess thats all i have to say, sell outs win every time, and patriots get their emails hacked and have their careers destroyed by jackels

  • fuck this zionist jew go live in israel

  • trickle down economics....I've heard that before. All that trickles down is piss.

  • I live in New York and I love Anthony Weiner. I will miss him and hope he joins the Senate soon.

  • @stickfighter51 Anthony Weiner is a reptilian alien feeds on human energy

  • The problem with political jokes is they get elected! Look at this ostrich ... Lieing with ever breath. If there were any people safe to criticize, they'd be politicians & child molesters, doncha think? They R, by nature, liars, & this moron thinks hes got every body fooled. Well Weiner where is the camera now? Not pointed at Ur Dick, but at U Face , the Face of a FOOL, & a obvious disturbed man.

  • Weiner don't resign, you are the best voice for the American people !

  • Isn't Hannity indirectly admitting that he thinks it's ok to steal money from people? He says at about 4:08 that he thinks people need to be taxed, but then says Weiner is empowering the government to "steal" people's money. The different amounts makes no difference to whether it's stolen or not.

  • He should join the Republican party. They need a few straight guys.

  • @KenHalo - LOLOLOLOL

  • @KenHalo BOOM!

  • @KenHalo remember to vote!! :)

  • Hm.

  • Why did you have to fuck it up Anthony? Why? You were our only hope.

  • weiner is, er was awesome, what an asshole, i thought he was the one, fucking weinergate

  • @ortmaster

    He still is. The only thing stopping him from being is this country's fucked up attitude. Wiener is a good man, and his sexual fettishs and experiences have no bearing on that. Benjamin Franklin was reknowned for his womanizing, but we still made him ambassador to France.

  • @Worgrunner ambassador to france?..go figure..lol

  • @Worgrunner

    I would agree wholeheartedly with you... if it wasn't proven that he had contact with a 17 year old girl amidst the scandal. He didn't tweet his meat to her or anything, but... I mean, it's practically pedophilia without the fact that he's sending other women pictures of his dick. Considering all the stuff he was doing...

  • @Worgrunner

    Bad example, I'm pretty sure those two facts were related.

  • @Worgrunner You're right. They are the same people who say they have "family values"

  • @MrBloograss Dude, you're pathetic get a life.

  • @STEVE8OS CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR STUPID

  • @TheLibertarianNUTJOB

    As a fellow libertarian, I'd like to say your name adequately describes you. Your are a nut job. Luckily I'm a far leftist libertarian and an evangelical batshit insane righty like you. I don't know where your anger/interest comes from in regards to anthony weiner, all I can guess is that maybe your pastor molested you when you were a child.

  • @mrawesome15 no libertarian would ever defend weiner by sure definition. 

  • Wiener is a Wiener. It was a pretty basic question. HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH. Is it right for a person who earns money in this country to have to give up 55% of their income. Thats robbery. Hannity said it best. He does not want to raise taxes on middle class he wants the Govt to spend less. Wiener is saying its allright for over half of ones income to go to taxes. Is this some Itlaian mafioso thing.

  • Hannity got OWNED. wtf is that dumbass doing. Weiner is a genuine smart logical guy. HANNITY is aghh just so dumb,

  • Wiener is one of the better american politicians, but this is horseshit... For ONCE Hannity is not the cock...

  • Also, the <1 % is not true over 50% of americans have preexisting conditions, and it is stated in insurance contracts that they are aloud to deny coverage to those people with those conditions if they so chose.

  • @CrossxFir3 learn to respond correctly. So are you saying the HHS is lying??? your made up statistic in fairy tale land is false buddy, learn to do proper research. No it isn't because of insurance contracts, fully, but because of laws like HIPAA so fourth...your little argument has been debunked.

  • You know, I'd love to continue this, but I only argue with people that don't contradict themselves, recorrect themselves, and know what they're talking about. Your a pompus angry kid, who thinks they know anything about healthcare when they really don't. It's laughable that you use the name fbi10 too, it really just shows how pathetic you are. Why should I waste my time proving you wrong, I have important things to get done.

  • @CrossxFir3 Right, so please provide where i contradicted myself?? Really and do you know what FBI10 means?? Apparently you don't as it has nothing to do with this argument that you failed at. Like i stated, did you look at the hipaa law? yes or no?? I know a lot more on our health care system than you do as my facts out weight your little made up "emotional" arguments. Again, you failed to rebuttal anything...you are pathetic. next time click on respond....you're done.

  • just destroys him lol. anthony weiner is a true hero to the real middle class, hard working americans who form the backbone of this country.

  • he should change his name to sean insanity

  • Weiner is probably the smartest Democrat in politics I've seen since Clinton. I sincerely hope he's President one day; he'd do great things for the country. He so reasonably expresses all his points with no bias. He points things out exactly how they are, then says what he supports.

  • 5:50 You want them to pay more?  EPIC. Hannity needs a large cup of shut the fuck up right about then.

  • Hannity really should have eaten a big slice of humble pie after this. Weiner shot the bullet through all of Hannities claims...

  • I thought it was the republicans that spent all that money, unless Bush was a crypto-democrat?

  • HANNITY SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LET THE DUDE TALK. for fuck's sake. what a dick.

  • HANNITY SUCKS ASS

  • Hannity is a liar. This country has the worse social mobility of just about every if not all industrialized countries. And Hannity does not understand what a job creator is. And he claims that he pays 50% of his pay in taxes. This is a lie. All of you idiots who don't understand how taxes are calculated. No one pays 50% of their income in taxes. No one. There is a such thing called AGI. How this number is figured is how the rich evade taxes. That is why his 55% is a fallacy.

  • Why does hannity refuse to admit that some taxes are necessary?

  • Weiner seems to be the only congressman who can expose bad arguments from TV interviewers

  • Hannity is a cock.

    

  • @indio2dr Hannity has no cock.

  • Hannity is such a dolt. Everyone pays taxes! Whenever you buy, sell or rent anything you pay taxes.

  • Rich get smaller, more reasonable homes: they don't have to pay as much. Nuff said

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  • This man, every time i listen to him he is SO COMMITTED to the middle class, that's all i hear from him, and I love it, If he there his hat in the ring for presidency, I would vote for him, without a doubt.

  • Rich= tax payer ?????

  • It's interesting to note how egregiously conservative economics fail in basic economic theory. Corporations and businesses do not create jobs simply when they have money laying around. They create jobs when they see a profit to be made from hiring more workers and therefore upping the production of their services. So to say that giving tax cuts to the wealthy and the corporations and the large businesses will create jobs is outright wrong in economic theory.

  • @Ligierthegreensun very true. well said

  • @Ligierthegreensun or it might lead to job creation, but jobs in china and india where the corporations can hire cheaper labor

  • @Ligierthegreensun THANK YOU!!!!! PLEASE TELL ME YOU'RE A AMERICAN!!!

  • @biggetjeknor I am indeed. American college student. Born and raised, albeit to immigrant parents. America's still home though I have roots in South America.

  • @Ligierthegreensun My roots lay in India but spend 4 years in South America, so let me just advise you, from one brother 2 another: YOU NEED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. People who's core philosophy is that corporations are persons and thus deserve 1st amendment rights are destroying this planet! Thank you very much.

  • @biggetjeknor I appreciate the support, my friend. However I don't think political office is for me. Just don't have it in me to be a politician. I will continue to keep myself well informed and use my power as a citizen to hopefully change things. Hopefully this regressive standard of letting the rich stand on the backs of the poor will be changed by a well informed, educated, voting populace.

  • @Ligierthegreensun Please let me respect your intelligence by being blunt; From my perspective we are in need of a "non-politician" in (american) politics for far too long now. Then again I fully understand that there's more to it then that. Thank you again for your reply. Peace.

  • @Ligierthegreensun I ALMOST agree with this, except I think you have the steps out of sequence.

    "They create jobs when they see a profit to be made from hiring more workers and therefore upping the production of their services".

    In fact:

    When DEMAND increases, they "up the production" which leads to "hiring more workers".

    The way to increase demand is to lower taxes on the middle class.

  • @PaulinaPaulino I don't think my statement disagreed with the principles of supply and demand. When they see a profit to be made by upping the production they do. The forecast of profit would be from a demand.

  • 18 hours a day of work to become a millionaire? lol, ok Sean. Ooooooook.

  • how does cutting taxes stop spending sean?

  • that piece of shit didnt even complete college and wants to talk about the "economy"?

    LOL!

  • Fox should know better than to invite Anthony Weiner on. He squashes them to bits. Every single time.

  • hannity a class-a dbag

  • the gentleman is correct in sitting

  • NO DEAL!

  • Clinton left the presidency with a SURPLUS! bush created the huge trillion dollar deficit in 8 years, and left it in a recession. Facts are stubborn. To build a house takes much longer then to destroy it. So if it took bush 8 years to destroy the economy, how long would it take to rebuild it? Keep listening to Shamity he makes great points. Faux news at it's finest.

  • 55%-65% of income?  Whoever makes that kind of money and pays that much has the worst accountant in the world, just like big business has a 35% tax rate but when its done big business pays 0 top tier pays 15-20% after all the loopholes.

  • Love how Weiner completely dodges the question"Is 55% enough or do you want more?"He completely refused to answer so I guess he thinks the government is entitled to more.

  • @chefjoey229 You miss the whole point of what he is saying .. he is saying the richest should be paying their own share. Defending the richest people who have no need for a tax cut and do not even need to and will not spend it does nothing to solve our economic problems. This was a tax cut the even bush made temporary for a reason .. it costs us money plain and simple.

  • @sharper68 If that is his view then he should just be honest and say 55% isn't enough we want 70% or whatever just answer and give the number that he thinks is fair.Don't dodge the question.I've voted dem my whole life until Nov 10 and it was because of their insane Keynsian financial policies.This guy just comes off as a smug,crass sarcastic little weasel.People like Weiner,Pelosi and Obama are the reason for mass exodus of U.S. businesses.

  • @chefjoey229 The 70% of taxes figure paid by the rich are misdirection when they control 90% of all the wealth. If they control 90% of all the money why are the people who have 10% of the wealth (you and I) paying 30% of the taxes. The idiot Hanity spins this and makes it seem the richest are hard done by when all Weiner is asking they pay their fair share they prospered with before the bush tax cuts. No matter how you want to redefine reality there has been private job growth not shrinkage.

  • @fbi10: Uh, first of all, 250,000 a year _is_ rich, but regardless, Weiner has suggested a further bracket for people making over a million dollars a year and also reinstating the estate tax, which I absolutely agree with. Regarding the democrats having control "since 2006", I blame the dems, who have been huge wusses for the past few years (emphatically _not_ people like Weiner, who have actually fought on important issues). I have never been a fan of Obama, but Weiner is the real McCoy.

  • Weiner is actually the one that stands for the elites...raising taxes on the rich? sorry buddy but your gov. wants to raise taxes on everybody during a recession which is idiotic at best. Weiner, you have no weiner..a coward and the rest of the liberals like you.

  • @fbi10 Clearly you're delusional...

  • @NegiJew no the video speaks for itself...however, in your case, I do agree with you...you're delusional...

  • @fbi10 You're making a bizarre claim. Weiner wants to tax people making more than a million dollars a year at a higher rate, on both income and capital gains. How, pray tell, is that standing for elites?

  • @NegiJew for the simple fact that he DOESN'T want to tax just millionaires and billionaires. He has no limit. Democrats had control of congress since 06, had absolute control since obama and hasn't done anything about it. Instead, taxing the "rich" now means people who make 250,000 a year...that's NOT rich...

  • @fbi10 Ya the elites main task is to represent the common man and expect the rich to pay their fair share, give your head a shake. Go check what the word elite means, people like you make your whole crowd look clueless.,

  • @sharper68 yes because little weiner does such a good job at "representing the common man' when he is for higher taxes, obamacare and over regulation on the private sector...

    I know what elite means and this liberal and majority of democrats/liberals are for them and nothing else. dont get me wrong, a lot of republicans are also but conservatives are not...they are for you and me. Learn to research...

  • @fbi10 did you watch this video? he said hes for the middle class..as sean defends the billionares.

  • @skatarest77 Hé days hé is for them but hes actions show otherwise. Hannity isnt "for" billionaires but at thé same Time is for job creation which they provide. Dont you think thé private sector needs to create more jobs ?

  • @fbi10 Again clueless, lower taxes for anyone making under 250k, "Obama care" (watch fox much?) which means that insurance companies can not turn you away for preexisting conditions or drop you from care. As to your regulation garbage, you have no facts just talking points from morons like Hannity

    Screwing the working middle class, systematically defunding education while passing more money to the already rich is for the people like the Coke brothers who's propaganda you spout.

  • @sharper68 Yet weniner has no limit to increase taxes on the middle class...hmmm?? Yet now 250k are millionaires? what happened to taxing the rich, millionaires and billionaires? LOL right, care to pay for fox news for me, then maybe you can say i watch too much fox lmao!!! Yes, pre existing conditions...repeating the pelosi talking points...have you heard of HIPAA by any chance? Obamacare raises preimums and u sit there saying liberals are for the middle man?? pfff LOL! You are a mindless drone

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  • @fbi10 All we are talking about is bringing them back to the "bad old days" when Clinton was in Power and we were paying down our deficit, so terrible. Your knowledge of the health care bill is strait from the insurance propaganda machine fox. The fact is nothing was stopping them from raising them or canceling your insurance before. You are spitting talking points that make no sense and the Repugs policies make it clear they work for the multi nationals whose talking points you spout.

  • @sharper68 Yes where Clinton was thé republican congresses bitch and couldnt pass anythin and ppl were actually investing. What did i get wrong on thé health care Bill..care to explain?

    Why do you being up Fox? Do u watch it? Care to pay for thé Channel 4'me?

  • @fbi10 Actually agree he was a repug bitch, that does not mean the people who have most of the money (90 - 95%) in the country should not pay the same level of taxes as they did under his tenure.

    The health care bill is not perfect (even kinda) but does help. Its focus was to remove insurance companies rights to deny coverage and cut people off. It was compromised by repug ideas, the mandate for instance) Actually we have always paid for the uninsured, now it is done in more affordable way

  • @sharper68 u r for increasing taxes while the rich already pays majority of the US income taxes. Just wondering, can you give me a point in our history while increasing taxes worked during a recession?

    No republican wrote obamacare. It was done all behind close doors without republican help. The bill isnt perfect and the ideas with it are going to make the country worse off then before. It doesnt help to ration care 4 ppl that need it and increasing preimums for everyone. Its all on the left

  • @fbi10 Look the fact is they do pay the majority of taxes, 70% of them actually. That not withstanding they control 90% to 95% of wealth and only pay 70% of the taxes the rest falls on the large number of people with 5% of all money. They extra money the rich get back will not go into the economy or jobs as demand is low because the middle class continues to be squeezed bearing the brunt of the pain. If tax cuts should go anywhere it should be to those that will send the money not our richest

  • @sharper68 so you cant give me an example?

    No, the bottom 50% pay dont even pay anywhere near the top 1%. The suppose "rich" you keep on mentioning actually create wealth for the US by job creation, like it or not. This restribution of wealth by the government that i am assuming you are for, will not work and is a socialist idea. We restribute wealth in the private sector everyday by jobs created and thats the way it should be. The tax cuts wouldnt be just for the "rich" but for everyone

  • @fbi10 The bottom 50% HAVE NO MONEY!!!! The rest of the middle class carry an unfair burden. The richest who have reaped the biggest tax cut rewards simply throw it on the pile.To have the largest military in the world, good fire fighters and clean water you need taxes.  All anyone is saying is that people who can most afford it should pay the fair share they prospered under in the past. The private sector is showing record profits while getting tax breaks and it is bankrupting the country.

  • @sharper68 of course they dont LOL!!!! do you know that 47% of the US population doesnt even pay taxes? You are talking about raising taxes during a recession when investments are low and the economy is in one of its worts states since the great depression. Why would you raise taxes?? it makes no sense...did you know that even if you took at the money of the rich, you wouldnt have enough to pay off the debt let alone our deficit of this year.The private sector is hardly showing any profit LOL!!

  • @fbi10 Have you heard the term blood from a stone? The top 5% have increased thier value exponentially over the last 10 years while everyone else has taken a hit. Many corporations do not only avoid paying taxes entirely but actually get a rebate, it is corporate welfare at its worst. You argue the poorest should get even poorer to pay for the rich who are getting undeniably richer, I say the Bush tax cuts should end as they did nothing but pad our richest pockets end of line!

  • @sharper68 great commemt!

  • @sharper68 Again you are misinformed. The top 5% already pay the majority of the taxes...did you know only 53% of tax payers actually pay taxes? LOL!! Corporations in the united states already pay the highest corporate taxes in the world...the hell you talking about? No i don't argue that the poorest should be poorer, i argue that the poorer should be able to find more jobs but thanks to this poor economy (and 2 failed stimulus) it's a little harder. Apparently, you don't want more jobs, i do.

  • @fbi10 What we are saying is not in conflict, the top 5% pay most of the taxes (70% of them actually) with 95% of the wealth, the bottom 50% pay none with 1% of all money. Even with a "high" tax corp tax rate they pay squat do to loop holes, GE for example got a rebate (0 taxes paid) on some 14 billion in profit. Taxing the poorest so that the rich can buy another summer home is not a path to more jobs. Reversing the giveaway of the the richest among us made by Bush would be a good start.

  • @sharper68 That mandate wasn't proposed by any republican in this law. This was built and written by liberal democrats. Why is that obama closed the doors on the GOP since he took office and opened the doors only during the health care summit. The gop didn't even help in the process of writing. Obama is in the insurance company pocket, why do you think they wanted the bill to pass in the first place because of that mandate obama put in there? No republican voted for that terrible bill.

  • @sharper68 the top 2 percent only pays 40 percent of the taxes.They do not have 95% of the wealth, that is an actual lie. However, what the private sector does is redistribute the wealth through the process of capitalism but your party more accurately, you liberals, have been wanting to take the wealth away from the job makers and take it for yourselves. Your high spending policies have done nothing but cause more inflation/job loss. You say tax the rich but there isn't enough money to even pay

  • cont: you keep saying rich rich rich but it's the rich that generate the economy and wealth to help others....that's NOT the governments job and never has been. The bush tax cuts actually helped the economy by letting you keep most of the money you earned...why do you want the poor, poorer? It doesn't make any sense. The obama administration had complete control of the government, why didn't he just raise taxes like you want on the rich...why has he never said billionaires and millionaires?

  • @fbi10 The rich do not generate money, a fluid market does. When the normal people have money to spend they spend it, production goes up and more people are hired to meet demand. When the rich get big tax cuts and there is no demand they throw their money on a pile or invest it overseas This idea that cutting the wealthiest peoples taxes and jobs are created is a fairytale and a lie. If you want the economy to boom put money in the hands of the middle class as they actually spend it.

  • @sharper68 they DO generate money...why would they be rich in the first place?? LOL! The rich do create jobs but then again, small businesses aren't rich and yet they do create jobs but you want to take that away. When "rich" get tax breaks they invest, y do u think during the 90's we had an employment boom?? That so called fairy tale has been proven as fact, you, however, are all about this liberal fairy tale that has NEVER worked. Yes and u r for taking that money away from the middle class...

  • @sharper68 GE bought the loop holes and our politicians take their contributions. Why do you think we have loop holes? "Rich" people buy them from politicians aka OBAMA and GE.

  • @fbi10 Or the entire republican house of congress. Don;t get me wrong but there are plenty of dems at the trough too but the republicans are now wholly owned by corporate lobbyists who work to game the system to their advantage by law every day. You can not even discuss corporate tax avoidance with out underlining the support the current congress shows it. Everything from cutting tax enforcement money to demanding oil companies get corporate welfare while earning record profits.

  • @sharper68 right you keep on providing this talking about with no substance...republicans haven't been in power since 2007 and just got it back and yet some how, all the crap that happened between then is some how republicans fault. You liberals are jokes and would be great at a zoo. These "corporate lobbyists" as you like to say, are all in obama's and the democratic pocket. Dont get me wrong, repukkes too but you love that pointing game LOL! Demanding oil companies...like the 4 billion $ eh??

  • @fbi10 You are greatly misinformed on the genesis of the health care legislation. The fact is it is greatly watered down form the version that it started as. This was done to appease conservative dems and the few repubs that signed on. The idea of the mandate was part of a proposal once made by Macain and was included to get conservative support that they never were going to get anyway. To say it was written behind closed doors with no opposition input is a lie that as no basis in fact.

  • @sharper68 I find it funny that you believe i am misinformed on this issue when you claim republicans help write this current law lol obama had closed doors on this issue until the health care sumit, which was bipartisian, when the law was already writen. I agree that obama did use some republican ideas AFTER, 20 to be exact. It is correct that the individual mandate was proposed by dole in the early 90's but not everyone was for it and still arent. What republicans signed for obamacare? LOL!!

  • @fbi10 None because they have no interest in in reform, the status quo suits their insurance masters nicely. They did negotiate it down to this soft from though Olvia Snow did so before towing the obstructionist line. They are only against it as they are in the pocket of big insurance who have no interest in reforming the system or in health care in general. If this was a dem only bill it would have been single payer not the weak version we got full of repug ideas.

  • @sharper68 You know that Obama is in insurance companies pockets, right? Its obamacare that is forcing 30 million ppl into some sort of coverage or else theyll pay a fine. And this bill isnt bipartisan but a liberal construction that is doomed to fail. Republicans didnt vote for this bill because they werent driven by some sort of ideology that has never worked the way it was suppose to. Majority of americans never supported this bill and let alone to move into something worse like single payer

  • @fbi10 He is no more in thier pockets than the insurance company loving republicans. The whole thing of not having a pubic options or single payer was stopped by republicans and conservative dems. The lies about death panels were complete fabrications to woo the stupid into objecting. The mandate a conservative idea is the worst part of this bill and was never a progressive concept in the first place. You saw different stats than I did when you were not watching fox about the plans support

  • @sharper68 Again it seems like you are misinformed. Yes the republicans didn't want single payer or the public option but so did a number of democrats, which was great. The public option would have led to the single payer option that liberals want but this in turn would have been worse for the country. Single payer just doesn't work. What lies about death panels? Are you saying that this bill doesn't result in rationing? The mandate was originally from republican in the 90s but was taken HIPPA

  • cont: and this mandate was and still is opposed by conservatives. This bill was written by liberal democrats...there no turn in that. No republican wrote this...this is a partisan bill brought by your party. Really? Different stats? What stat was that? The country today and when this bill was passed opposed it...what dont you get about that? Watching fox? Care to pay for fox at my place and maybe you can pull that victim card of yours LOL!

  • @fbi10 Am not a victim of anything. There was and is a great deal of support for the idea of not being slaved to the insurance companies who NO ONE loves except the repugs. The fight for them to make money off of you your whole life only to cut you off at the first chance you need their services is a tough sell I never have seen anyone make successfully. The republicans have no ideas just opposition, the gauntlet is down if any state can come up with a better solution they are free to pursue it.

  • @sharper68 Yes you are a victim...to liberal propaganda. If you are so anti insurance company, move to england where you'll get limited care.Slave? What is up with your violent rhetoric? Obama is in charge, he could do w/e he wants...ask obama why he hasn't done anything you want? Liberals have the power to do w/e they want...republicans only have 1/3. If you are unhappy complain to a liberal about your propaganda...

  • @fbi10 My violent rehortic, pfff it is a love tap compared to the tone I get from cons. My money and life laid at the feet of uncaring entities that have no interest in my health and lots in their bottom line. It was lucky he got done what he did with the obstructionist repugs in the Senit who misused the filibuster so badly they set all kinds of new records doing it. The cons hold up everything even their own ideas as because as long as Obama loses they do not care if America does too.

  • @sharper68 Honestly, you make no sense. Look back at what you just wrote...you speak w/ LA LA language. What has obama done to help the country? By spending more money and increasing our debt into historic levels? Right...that's great. Or how about this years deficit? How about NOT passing a budget? How about purposely taking money out of medicare to fund an unconstitutional law? Right...and your party had major control and couldnt even pass their shit-laws without buying votes...good job LOL!

  • @fbi10 Everything they tried to do was opposed by the conservatives because reform of health care is win for Obama and a loss for their insurance masters who want a free hand to make even more money at the expense of individual's health.. I saw stats with support for a public options around 70% but it did not stop fox from reporting that everyone "hated it' If not fox I do not know where you get your info as you spit thier talking points like they are on a sheet in front of you.

  • @sharper68 And u are worried about competition in the private sector? You are for a public option that makes it impossible for private sector business to compete with the Government. And to conclude your hypocrisy, you are for a failing single payer program that denies competition and yet now you are worried about it? right...that's 100% hypocrisy.

  • @fbi10 Everything they tried to do was opposed by the conservatives because reform of health care is win for Obama and a loss for their insurance masters who want a free hand to make even more money at the expense of individual's health.. I saw stats with support for a public options around 70% but it did not stop fox from reporting that everyone "hated it' If not fox I do not know where you get your info as you spit their talking points like they are on a sheet in front of you.

  • @sharper68 How about that obamacare is a terrible law and is just being proved day by day? How about that it has been found unconstitutional and that obama is trying to delay the supreme court until a conservative leaves? Obama is FOR the insurance "masters", what don't you understand about that? He is for this crony capitalism that you liberals and repukes love. Yes 70% found by a left leaning Washington post...lets look at what it states:

  • cont: "Independents and senior citizens, two groups crucial to the debate, have warmed to the idea of a public option, and are particularly supportive if it would be administered by the states and limited to those without access to affordable private coverage."

    so they are for it if it's admin. by the states, now 27 states are suing the federal government, and that it's limited to people who actually can't afford insurance,none of which is actually IN OC.

    no 1 wants this crap...repeal

  • @fbi10 What lies about death panels???? Well if you were not watching the news during the period I can not help you. Single payer does not work is corporate propaganda the right wing has wholly bought into you and the public option is the same attempt to maintain a strangle hold on the control of the American health care system by people that have no interest in health only profits, insurance companies. The mandate is a republican idea (the only one they have by the way) you said yourself.

  • @sharper68 yes exactly what lies about death panels...explain to me what was it that she was lying about? Are you saying that there isn't any rationing required in obamacare aka death panel? Please tell me then why are elderly people being kicked off of their Medicare plan because of this law? You haven't stated not one thing that is even half true. Single payer doesn't work at all, please provide me information of a country where it lower costs and is actual cost effective...it doesn't work.

  • @fbi10 They want NOTHING but the status quo, people booted off their insurance due to preexisting conditions dismantling of medicare and it turned into a voucher system strait into the insurance company pockets etc .. they have no idea and have only worked to the advantage of the cooperation you defend. You know what does not work, private for profit insurance only with no competing option, it is the most inhuman expensive system on the planet.

  • @sharper68 according to the HHS, only 1% of insurers were ever dropped from their coverage. Pre existing conditions? Right, so you aren't for actual insurance coverage...do you know what insurance is? And if you want to look at the cause of the pre existing problem, look at the HIPAA law. Again, like i stated, Obama is in the pockets of the insurance companies just by passing this crap of a law, why do u think they wanted it? Defend corporations? Your party WORKS for them.

  • @fbi10 Assuming you are correct, 1% would represent over 250,000 people. It seems to me that is a number worth noting. They are guilty of nothing but getting sick and do this heartless policy many face bankruptcy to get the treatment they need or otherwise death. You say my leaders are in the insurance companies pockets but you and yours are the only ones demanding their right to make unlimited profit at the expense of individuals lives. Go ahead defend the ins corps, that is a losing battle.

  • @sharper68 right so destroying the current system for a system that will provide coverage/care for less people and more expensive is better?do you know why those people were dropped? Have you heard of HIPPA? That's where the pre existing problem comes from and did you know that current systems cannot drop someone just because they are sick unless they committed insurance fraud? LOL yes your party is in their pockets, look at obamacare and the unconstitutional argument of the commerce clause...

  • @fbi10 Your statement that they can not drop someone unless they commit fraud is factually untrue. They can drop someone for any number of reasons and have a play book to run against to try in every case. You see they do not want to pay anyone out as it goes against their profit motive. They will use every legal means possible to hang you out to dry when you need them most and who can blame them they have shareholders to answer to. That does not mean it is moral or correct.

  • @sharper68 no it is actually true. So apparently you don't know about the insurance business...have you ever talked to an insurance provider?? heard of the HIPPA law? They cannot drop someone because they want to make a "profit" the only time they can drop some one is if they committed insurance fraud and/or what is stated in the HIPPA law on pre existing conditions.What's so funny is that this failing administration passed a law to force ppl to buy insurance & u r for it...hypocrisy.

  • @fbi10 I work in insurance and know exactly how the system works. Legally they can not drop you but there are lots of other ways to force the issue. The letter of the law allows them to drop you for a number of reasons that "have nothing do to with profit" but are actually entirely motivated by it. Your biggest complaint about the law is still a repug idea originally and I am inclined to agree there were better ways but do to conservatives they had no chance of passing.

  • @sharper68 apparently you don't...and for someone who supposedly "works" for an insurance company (who is for a failing single payer system), are clearly ignorant. On the terms of Pre existing conditions...do you blame the insurance company or the government that created the problem? This is why i believe you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Look at the HIPPA law...My biggest complaint of the is that it is unconstitutional and yet you support it...interesting. Why i find to be

  • cont: what i find to be hypocritical of you, citing the commerce clause as ur excuse that republicans wrote it, when in fact, THIS legislation was 100% written behind doors with no republican input. You blame republicans but your democrat super-majority couldn't even pass the legislation. When the republican put this idea out in the early 90's conservatives and majority of republicans opposed it and democrats opposed it...now demo's r 4 it...and this is why your party is hypocritical.

  • @fbi10 You are "correct" they "cannot" drop people to increase profits. But they do work to the letter of the law to ensure they drop every person they can.  Preexisting conditions are one of the reasons and the term has been often loosely interpreted to their advantage. In the past things like acne have been labeled a preexisting conditions for someone that contracts skin cancer. You are an apologist for a group of people that have 0 interest in your health and lots in making money off you.