You are what you eat!

[ykaiilah]

I am sure an old uncle would taste bad, however, a fat baby????

[therush1892]

That was fucking retarded.

[SomeIrishGuy19]

I don't really see an issue with this i mean who actually cares. Meat's meat I don't have any moral objection to eating it. Although i do feel a bit squmish like the idea of eating bugs .

[kblakecupcake]

5/5

I'm so tired of hearing about controlling animal population.

The human population is way out of control... but are we cannibals?

[ElysiumEternal]

You guys rock. I love veg guys :p

[vio11ro]

Yeeeah! V POWER!!!

[ccr5cxcr4]

"You can find many cases of meat-eaters that are deficient in it, so you can't claim that eating meat solves the issue." It does in healthy people.

The people who do not get B-12 from meat, are the same people that cannot "get" B-12 orally at all. Whether from a lack of R-protein, or Intrinsic Factor, or from an absorption problem in their terminal ileums, these people cannot absorb oral B-12 & must be supplemented with shots.

Whether they are vegetarian or not.

[ccr5cxcr4]

"Documenting the diet in ancient human populations through stable isotope analysis of hair" DOI 10.1098/rstb.1999.0360 << which includes analysis of ancient "vegetarians" and demonstrate that they were consuming animal flesh.

"Biogeochemical record of ancient humans" doi:10.1016/S0146-6380(97)0006 0-0 << different methods, same result.

And there are dozens more articles.

Humans, historically & physiologically, are omnivores.

[ccr5cxcr4]

"where are the digestive mutations" Good question. Where ARE those digestive mutations that allow humans to thrive on a pure vegetarian diet?

Meat eaters don't have to supplement B-12, unlike vegetarians.

Every known vegetarian speciest absorbs sufficient B-12 from their own enteric bacteria to thrive & derives a significant portion of their energy requirements from the fermentative portions of their digestive tracks (cranial or caudal).

Humans do not.

[TheMelonHeads]

Actually, studies have found both vegetarian and meat-eaters to be low in B-12, but they have also found that meat-eaters are more deficient in more vitamins and minerals than vegetarians.

"A landmark study in 1994 looking at the diets and health of 11,000 people The Oxford Study concluded that vegetarians have a 20% lower premature death rate than meat-eaters. This fact is now so well recognised that vegetarians can even get lower life assurance premiums than can meat-eaters! "

[TheMelonHeads]

Research has shown that vegetarians are 50 percent less likely to develop heart disease, and they have 40 percent of the cancer rate of meat-eaters.3, Plus, meat-eaters are nine times more likely to be obese than vegans are.4

[TheMelonHeads]

Sources:

1 Ann Mangels, Virginia Messina, and Vesanto Melina, "Position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada: Vegetarian Diets," Journal of the American Dietetic Association, Jun. 2003, pp. 748-65.

2 Neal Barnard, M.D., The Power of Your Plate, Book Publishing Co.: Summertown, Tenn., 1990, p. 26.

3 Neal Barnard, M.D., The Power of Your Plate, Book Publishing Co.: Summertown, Tenn., 1990, p. 26.

4 John Robbins, The Food Revolution, Conari Press: Boston, 2001, p. 58.

[TheMelonHeads]

The American Dietetic Association states that vegetarians have lower rates of death from ischemic heart disease lower blood cholesterol levels, lower blood pressure, and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer and that vegetarians are less likely than meat-eaters to be obese.1 Well-planned vegetarian diets provide us with all the nutrients that we need, minus all the saturated fat, cholesterol, and contaminants found in animal flesh, eggs, & dairy products.

[ccr5cxcr4]

TheMelonHeads - You misunderstand me. I am not saying that vegetarian is not healthy (assuming you supplement B-12).

I am addressing the pseudoscientific claims that humans are "naturally" vegetarians.

Humans are "naturally" opportunistic feeders. We can eat, survive & thrive on a broad variety of foods.

Indeed humans are healthiest when we eat a broad variety of foods in moderate amounts.

[TheMelonHeads]

Our bodies are most designed like frugivores (orangutans, gorillas, etc.), which for the most part are vegetarian.

B-12 used to be found in healthy soil. You can find many cases of meat-eaters that are deficient in it, so you can't claim that eating meat solves the issue.

Do we have the intelligence to feed on animals when there is nothing else available? Absolutely! Can we realize that killing animals is unnecessary to thrive? Absolutely!

Thanks for the science. We appreciate it!

[ccr5cxcr4]

"Our bodies are most designed like frugivores (orangutans, gorillas, etc.), which for the most part are vegetarian." There is a lot of debate about that. We resemble cecal fermentors (as opposed to caudal, or ruminants).

BUT, and it is a big but, we do not absorb significant nutrition from the fermenting portion of our guts (unlike all known pure vegetarian species).

And yes, soil bacteria can provide B-12, if you eating unwashed food. Which has significant risks.

[ccr5cxcr4]

I left out part of the orangutan comment. They absorb a lot of nutrition cecally, including enterically produced B-12. We do not. As a result, if you plot the relative surface areas of our gut surfaces, enzyme composition & absorption patterns, we land right on the border between frugivore and faunivore. Add foliovore to the mix and we shift a bit that direction.

In other words we fit the pattern of non-specific feeders.

Obviously overeating is never good.

[TheMelonHeads]

The point was that in the past we would have been able to get B-12 from food grown form the ground. We would naturally have goten a little soil in our food, regardless. In an organic garden, it is not too unhealthy if you eat some soil; however, obviously better to be safe to what's best for your health: Go vegan and take a B12 supplement.

-TMH.

[ccr5cxcr4]

"better to be safe to what's best for your health: Go vegan and take a B12 supplement." That is the kind of claim I object to because it is not scientific. There is currently no evidence that I have found (peer reviewed, rigorous study) that a pure vegetarian + B12 is superior to a primarily vegetarian + low meat consumption (which is the diet I practice).

If I found such evidence, I would change my habits. I am a scientist after all.

[ccr5cxcr4]

"A study from the Loma Linda University has found that vegetarians live about seven years longer, and vegans live about 15 years longer than meat eaters." I looked up the article, and none of the sources were scientific studies. They are books (they may have good studies behind them, I just haven't found them yet).

And indeed the best study I have found to date indicates that low levels of meat consumption extend life (previously mentioned).

[ccr5cxcr4]

"soil in our food" Risks of exposure to E. coli (worst would be O157: H7), Rotavirus, Hepatitis, Entamoaeba histolytica, Giardia, Helmiths, Listeria, etc.

"had a 15% lower chance of dying" Strictly, it doesn't reduce the chance of dying at all. We all die (I haven't received my invitation for ascension just yet... counting on it).

There are good reasons that humans have learned to wash food thoroughly and cook it. And we have adapted to those habits.

[anonypoet]

"Plus, meat-eaters are nine times more likely to be obese than vegans are."

Lol. As stated in other comments, comparing a select focus group to the general population = BAD SCIENCE.

"Vegan" implies one who adheres to a strict diet. MOST of the general population and thus MOST meateaters do not. Comparisons of vegans with meateaters that adhere to an equally strict diet would be far more compelling.

[ccr5cxcr4]

And cris can't seem to handle the fact that Inuit traditional diets (which are 100% meat) are very healthy.

Plus he is under the delusion that fruit diets are healthy.

Actually current science indicates that calorie restriction has more to do with longevity than where the calories come from.

[anonypoet]

"calorie restriction has more to do with longevity than where the calories come from"

Yup. Taking steps backwards from healthy behaviors reveals the overarching reason for their healthiness.

Vegetarianism/pescatarianism/e­tc. --> Diet Monitoring --> Calorie Restriction

[happymerc]

well of course meat eaters will be bigger. our diet isn't composed of 90% water.

[Chrisisms]

Although not known to be a hereditary tie-over among any primate ancestors, Homo corpus cosmopolites longing to 'scent-roll' in cow entrails, may now mark their territory & show off to the pack- all in the comfort of the den/without seeing the eyes of prey in the wild! Introducing Burger Kings cologne: Flame - purpose designed to smell like burnt cow flesh while concealing your own odor! Wallow in it for $3.99. You can avoid vitamin D inside. The postman delivers it to you! This is real!

[easternslavic]

Are you ever going to sop using the term homo corpus? it's really pretentious. You are of course reffering to people living in a rich western society, because the majority of humans on this planet still raise and kill their own livestock.

[Chrisisms]

"Are you ever going to sop using the term homo corpus?"

You don't say anything to ppl using the term "omnivore" as if humans have some superhuman ability to just digest everything properly...

"it's really pretentious"

You misunderstand me. I don't claim to be 'Homo corpus consumere' - it means man consuming dead animal. So it is the meat feeders who are pretentious with diseases of affluence to match the extravegant, inefficient diets of meat...

[easternslavic]

Not digest everything, we can't digest most vegetatian that herbivores can ;) making us closer to carnivores, but since we can benefit from plants we're omnivores.

[crisology]

On the surface it may seem unnatural that a component of plants is not perfectly digested (although the human large intestines does digest some cellulose). In fact many components of meat (uric acid, chol, etc) are also not digested. The difference is cellulose forms a large part of fiber & inversely correlated w/disease while indigestible meat contributes to disease. Real meat eaters consume fur w/meat & this acts as fiber, stimulating peristalsis.

[easternslavic]

Really? I had no idea animals eat fur for fibre. I assumed they didn't eat the fur at all. Interesting, I'll have to look this up.

[TheMelonHeads]

A lion would have a hard time eating around the fur of a gazelle. :)

I imagine feathers would be even more uncomfortable for the human body than fur. ::barfs::

-TMH

[easternslavic]

A lion licks off the fur with its sand paper like tongue. And humans use tools :)

[Joshuawahl]

well if it tastes good...I would not freak out lol

[motokoluli]

serioulsy eating meat is not good for humanbeings.people think you are attacking them by telling them that. but really you are just looking out for them, its not about the animals. Think about rotting flesh fermenting in your digestive system...gross

[Minocycline841]

It's funny how meat eaters think we're attacking them when we're typically not, yet they attack us, making bullshit claims on us not getting enough protein!

It is quite likely they're just scared to admit that there are scary facts against all meat consumption. Just think of all the social "disadvantages"!

[easternslavic]

What scary facts? high cholesterol from an unhealthy diet? claims of higher risk cancer? right. Well eat some veges deep fried in vegetable oil, with soy and you will have the same problems. Eating meat is great if you keep it lean.

[easternslavic]

"serioulsy eating meat is not good for humanbeings" give us some great unbiased facts as to why it's not?

[meekaalbert]

Eating meat is like smoking cigarettes.

Humans have been doing it for centuries as a cultural hobby, but eventually it will.. AGE YOU FASTER, GIVE YOU CANCER, and KILL YA! (i got that somewhere..) :) Be well!

[easternslavic]

How is eating meat anything like smoking? can you back up the fact that it makes you age faster? no, you can't.

[Chrisisms]

Meat consumption promotes oxidative stress, breaking cell bonds and unleashing free radicas. Meat definately ages a person trying to consume this unnatural diet.

[easternslavic]

Meat does not promote oxidative stress. This is a lie and you are enforcing it.

"Increased Lean Red Meat Intake Does Not Elevate Markers of Oxidative Stress and Inflammation in Humans"

Jonathan M. Hodgson, Natalie C. Ward, Valerie Burke, Lawrence J. Beilin and Ian B. Puddey

-University of Western Australia, School of Medicine and Pharmacology at Royal Perth Hospital

[Chrisisms]

*UPDATE*

"The aim of the present study was to evaluate the effect of substituting lean meat with fat meat on oxidative stress in a diet with or without fruit and vegetables.

Conclusion: The substitution of fat meat with lean meat in a diet with or without fruit and vegetables has only a marginal or no effect on oxidative stress. But fruit and vegetable exclusion markedly increased the level of oxidative stress"

Ann Nutr Metab Vol. 50, No. 1, 2006

[easternslavic]

Ann Nutr Metab Vol. 50, No. 1, 2006.

2006.

I wouldn't call a 3 year old study an "update"

I have given you a more recent study that proves meat has no correlation to oxidative stress, lean or not lean. Processed meat on the other hand is a whole other story.

[easternslavic]

Meat also contains Selenium and Glutathione, antioxidants that fight what you say meat causes. Now, most of these things can be found in non-meat products, but that's not the point. Meat does not cause oxidative stress. Any more lies?

[easternslavic]

CoQ10, Zinc and Vitamin A a few more antioxidants found in meat. Mixed with vegetables, fruit, dairy and maybe wholegrains you have the perfect diet.

[crisology]

While meat can contain trace antioxidants, the oxidative affect is overwhelming.

*UPDATE 2* Oxidative stress from meat-

Anticancer Res. 2008 Jul-Aug;28(4C):2499-506.

CONCLUSION: In squamous cell carcinoma of the esophagus an antioxidant dietary pattern is protective, probably due to its action against oxidative stress while high-fat and carbohydrates patterns are associated with an increased risk which may be due to the meat and sodium content, respectively.

[easternslavic]

And what food is high in sodium? processed food. So even without researching this study I can tell they are not talking about buying raw meat and making it yourself, but rather eating junk food or canned food.

[crisology]

"increased risk which may be due to the meat AND sodium"

J Agric Food Chem. 2008 Sep 24;56(18):8418-26.

Apples were found to be the largest contributors of fruit phenolics to the American diet, and apple and strawberries were the biggest suppliers of cellular antioxidant activity. Increasing fruit consumption is a logical strategy to increase antioxidant intake and decrease oxidative stress and may lead to reduced risk of cancer.

Between raw, organic fruit & meat, there is no comparison.

[easternslavic]

It has been found that diets high in carbonhydrates cause these problems. And a diet high in processed products.

[anonypoet]

Red meats?

AHAHAHAHAHAH

Of course we ain't evolved to eat da red meats. Crisology what about all the others?

[Alexvideoclip]

I bite my wife's butt, teast good.

[TheMelonHeads]

TheMelonHeads approve of your eating your wife's butt.

[ccr5cxcr4]

TheMelonHeads - Lol, I shall inform her. Might be an interesting opening gambit for a conversation "I have been informed that eating my wife's butt is approved. Are you my wife? Would you like to be?"

[TheMelonHeads]

Let us know how that works for you! ;)

-TMH

P.S. - Head's up: Vegetarians taste better :)

[kevin050780]

This makes me hungry for a chicken breast (it is after all what they were eating) love the video go meatetarians woot.

[TheMelonHeads]

The "chicken breast" was actually Boca vegan chicken patties. No animals were harmed in the making of this video (except the actor, Rick, who was slapped a few times by the director, Yi Lin.)

-TheMelonHeads

[anonypoet]

All the money going into vegetable-comprised pseudo-meat got me thinking: why not pseudo-vegetables made out of meat?

My new line of pseudo-vegetarian meat products will hit the market soon; bananas, cucumbers and plantains made out of meat.

The market for meat bananas is vast. I'll make millions!

[happymerc]

lol

[saidinjest]

Great job. This is a really funny video!

[thinker900]

Got any finger food

[djuro20]

better dead then vegeterian

[TheMelonHeads]

And you will get your wish. Vegetarians and vegans live longer than meat eaters. The last stat we read was up to 15 years! Read "Food Revolution."

-TheMelonHeads

[ccr5cxcr4]

"The last stat we read was up to 15 years!" I would seriously be interested in references to the actual scientific studies backing this up (feel free to send message).

A low meat intake significantly decreased mortality riskand a significant 3.6-y (95% CI: 1.4, 5.8 y) increase in life expectancy in vegetarians. "Does low meat consumption increase life expectancy in humans?" The American journal of clinical nutrition 2003, vol. 78, no 3, SUP (174 p.) (52 ref.), pp. 526S-532S

[TheMelonHeads]

I am sure one can find the actual study in a journal. "A study from the Loma Linda University has found that vegetarians live about seven years longer, and vegans live about 15 years longer than meat eaters. These studies are further supported by the Chinese Health Project (the largest population study on diet and health to date). They found Chinese people who eat the least amount of fat and animal products have the lowest risk of cancer, heart attack and other diseases."

[TheMelonHeads]

This (corny) site references the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition and Loma Linda U's International Congress on Vegetarian Nutrition. We should go to the next one!

It discusses potential deficiencies in vegans. They also say: "One study focused on Seventh Day Adventists who were questioned about their eating habits. Over a 12-year period the vegetarians in the group had a 15% lower chance of dying than those eating flesh just once each week."

Interesting.

-TMH

[anonypoet]

A meat eater that monitors his/her diet, when compared to a vegetarian that monitors his/her diet to about the same degree will be just as healthy.

If you compare a select focus group (vegetarians) that exhibits a healthy behavior (diet monitoring) to the general populace, the focus group will always be healthier.

[easternslavic]

Fish eaters are the healthiest, vegetarians are tied with casual meat eaters and vegans are at the same level as heavy meat eaters.

[anonypoet]

I agree with this, with the addition of birds/bugs/seabugs to the fish part.

I should have been more specific when I said meateater--I generally count any person that eats animal product (anything that doesn't photosynthesize) as a meat eater.

[wharffratt]

Loma Linda University is a private christian school that is part of the 7th Day Adventists school system. This cult...er religion promotes vegetarianism within its church. their studies couldn't possibly be biased, could they?

[easternslavic]

Vegans never live longer than meat eaters you liar! Vegetarians barely manage to add a few years, but are on par with fish eaters.

[anonypoet]

To illustrate the illogical fallacy:

The average professional soccer (football) player is healthier than the average non professional soccer player. (Remember, non professional soccer player = general population)

Therefore, if you are not a professional soccer player, you are unhealthy?

There is never one path to an outcome.

[anonypoet]

Incorrect interpretation of data. People on all sides of all issues do it all the time.

Meat eaters include the general population, which is unhealthy as can be. Someone that shoves anything and everything down their throat is a meat eater, after all.

Also it matters greatly what type of meat/fat/animal product. There is no benefit to removing piscine, avian or arthropodal protein sources from one's diet.

(except for chickens--we done domesticated dem birds fatty and unhealthy)

[EhhhFonzie]

"slaps knee and laughs histerically"