@zupergozer Dont overlook the negative aspects of Plato. His influence was huge but not all of it good. The Republic is a blueprint for totalitarianism - read Karl Popper (the Open Society and its Enemies). The Republic was a dystopia not a utipia. Plato was indifferent to science to the point of hostility. Unlike Aristotle, Plato believed that there was no value in studying nature.
@PlatonicSociety Plato belived in 4 leves of existence, where the highest form was the world of idea's, seaconf the level of math and numbers, third the real world we live in, and forth the level of art,(wich he despised) I dont know about god, but he wrote aboute a creature he called The Demiurge, wich came to mean something like "creator" (The Demiurg is belived to be an evil demond of some kind..?)
@MochizMuM Whoa' you are more right about that than you might imagine. Supposedly Socrates never wrote anything down, do you think that a move about their relationship would be extremely pertinent within how religious faith and worship and the arguments over god are so redundant when philosophers have exemplified so much going all the way back to Hesoid and Homer 800bc. Have you ever read Meno written by Plato. or his epistle seven? It all has everything to do with Intrinsic Anthropology'
@Ph83niX I would think that too because Plato's writings are dialogues involving socrates. Hence socrates being the source of platonic idealism. Was Plato just the mediator?
@07Aristotle Exactly. Plato, as said in the video, was Socrates' student/follower. Most of his ideas were originally Socrates' ideas. In fact, all of the sayings etc of Socrates can be found in Plato's books. Of course Plato added some ideas of his as well.
@Marinemauro Socrates believed that written words could not reply to someone's questions. So,Plato actually wrote down everything his teacher taught him. But he took a step further by both adding new ideas and using litterature in his scripts. :)
@americanliberal09 Aristotle attended Plato's school (the academy) and was one of the brightest students. I think he later founded his own school as well.
@americanliberal09 To an extent. Aristotle's beliefs about spontaneous generation and many apparently true things were very false, but they appeared more realistic on the surface. Plato is a very deep, profound thinker, far more so than empiricists like Sagan have the courage to realize.
@armen07 There is no father of philosophy' it has been transcended back before homer' there is no philosophy' what does the word represent' it implies ones manner of living
@Jimlead ..no, a metaphor is using one thing in order to demonstrate another (to use Frost' s definition), it's not emblishment, it's simply rephrasing. Well, perhaps in that aspect you're right, but it was an obscene metaphor which just seems obscure and rather pointless.
and that's an incredibly obscure and difficult to assertain metaphor, the stars definately can move you. how's that taken as me taken things for granted...?
@Jimlead i believe strongly in positive reinforcement, but you sit infront of me and move a house along a bit with just your will, then move on to stars.
Plato (he was called Platon) was in love with Dion as a young man. They were lovers and very happy together. - Socrates was not a man who existed in real life. -Philosophy was part of every day life at the time. - Platon enjoyed teaching his students who were of different ages but similar ability and very keen to learn. The school were Platon was teaching was a building on a hill and the teaching took place outside under olive trees. People were happy and free and had time to discuss philosopy.
Even i thought so when I started to read it. The conversation with Thrasymachus is brilliant, but then Socrates just keeps talking without anyone saying anything but asserting what Socrates says, but never objecting it. Also, what I don't like about his ideal State is the censorship and totalitarianism, his abolition of our idea of what we call family and property and class stratification. But the allegory of cave is the only thing that stands true today.
This guy never existed. All of the greek philosophers of the bc era are nothing more that european creations. Europe didnt even have an alphabet until after alexanders arrival in egypt. 317 AD not b.c. ( Another lie told ). So is there was no form of writing how could you document the names of these b.c. philosophers and their writings. The simple answer is LIE. Its a lie. Dont be blind people do the research.
@spyro519 So that is all lies but you are telling the truth? I was not alive at those times so I cannot say what is true or not, but this is the field of philosophy some would make the argument that you do not exist and others may believe them does that make them right? Do you truly exist my friend? If your answer is yes then how could I then "Know" for sure? I believe most of the history i have learned is true on a grand sense but in the minor details who can say for sure.
@spyro519 Also you claim europe had no alphabet and therfore no written language before 317 AD. From what I have heard architecture requires writing when dealing with exact mesurements. From what I believe Rome,Greece, north africa, much of western europe, egypt, the levant and china along with others had sophisticated architecture before 317 AD. If we are so blind my friend then enlighten us. How cruel of you to claim our beliefs as lies and then give us no direction to find the truth.
@XXGDUBSXX I havent been on in a while but let me first first correct myself before I get to you. I was reading my notes wrong it actually was BC. Im not here to challenge what you believe, Im only giving facts out. Alot of the world is caught up in western philisophy AKA History AKA His Story. There is even an article on theonion.com in which some european scholars admit that there werent any real records of the ancient western world so they created some. Pictures, documents etc
@XXGDUBSXX I dont know what it is. I know what these guys are saying. Ask them if they are a parody. These are the scholars that help start this information.
@spyro519 your a malaka ther was an alphabet in greece ( Hellas) long befor Alexander the great he just spread it round the word have you herd of linear b its from aproximatly 4500 years old look it up and you tell people to ejecate them selves i think yoy should take your own advise moron
@ptcashdirect Alexander was a glorified barbarian. They reason why gets so much praised from western scholars is because it was his mission that eventually led to europeans coming across sacred knowledge of africa, civilization, and the domination of the world today through many facets. The greeks were given an alphabet based on the phonetic one the egyptians used that was incorporated into the language they spoke. Meaning that they applied the egyptian phonetic to their language. Research lol
@spyro519 wait..you're claiming that the *roman* alphabet that we use today wasn't created by the romans, it was created by A the Great? why would this be a lie?! also, the majority of greek history was oral, which is why we've lost so much of their work.
The romans created the alphabet and were from italy, in europe, where did you get this bullshit from?!
Actually the human history is full of repeated crises, wars, violent behaviors, mockery and discriminations of all kind. The solution? Teaching LOVE & COMPASSION. The time to read that message one child died because lacking food. PLEASE ACT NOW. Franck Renand, President, LOOK PACIFIC (NGO).
@Hapafull Haha good one...oh wait. Just what I like to do, argue over the internet. You have good points of course, but when I read Plato's work, I don't think you are correct. The Justice in 'Republic' for the common man who cannot get squelched under the tyrant, the 'Form of the Good' in which the philosopher-king knows Good. Excellent stuff. You have to remember that Plato lived under The Thirty Tyrants and his writing reflects this. He opposed tyranny. The tyrannical man--and tyranny as a
@ChevyChevelleSS political structure--is the worst (just below democracy). If he so vehemently opposed tyranny it seems odd to accuse him so blatantly of being THE precursor to it. But of course, I'm open to correction--Plato is one of my favorite philosophers for other reasons. I'll never forget my professor (a Plato and Rousseau scholar) defending Plato in class nonstop!
-these despots i disagree as i would compare it to medieval times when royalty told there followers they followed the word of christ and god when in many occasion they commited adultery ,murder, were greedy , unmerciful to the poor and to there enemies in war, so would it be fair to say that because they claimed to follow these rules of god, they did?, or if they didnt and men knew of there foul deeds that they would place blame on the bible because the king had claim to be inspired by it?
@Hapafull leaders, platos idea of a philospher king where the wise rule, and this I believe is where the concept of o f him inspiring tyranny comes from but the philosopher king serves justly and Socrates said justice is the interest of the weak( again by weak i mean the common man,worker,soldier etc. not physically weak) So it would be the leaders duty to serve his people but tyrannies only serve themselves and aristocracies there immediate friends and relatives so when you say he influences -
@Hapafull men (or women) to lead us through travel, famine, war, times of wealth and golden ages but then you have generally two kinds of men that lead, Men who want to lead( for fame, power,women and wealth) and men who believe they must for fear (not in a terms of cowardice but in a context of they believe he is an unjust man) of having someon worse than them lead and of the latter it would be preferable to have a man with an open mind a man of reoson and of wisdom who would make the best -
@Hapafull -e sense of what is written in the "Republic" as man must eat so there must be people that hunt or gather food, man gets sick so there must be doctors, and men have souls so there must be a scholars devoted to such matters. Can any man do these things? For the most part yes bet when a man has a specific task he becomes better and more sophistocated with it making him a better doctor etc. Also our biology as apes demands us to look for leadership and guidance and this is where we need-
@Hapafull Your interpretation of the way Plato lived made me believe that you believed he was living an unjust life, a hyprocrite that criticises a system that benefits himself( feel free correct me if that is not what you meant). Yes i see that men are shown by plato to be servents of the society and i also agree that the idea of society is a concept and not a thing to be served but i believe if he talks of these men serving the state he means it in the way of he serve's his fellow men in th-
@Hapafull So are you claiming that tyrannies, despots, and imperialist did not exist until after platos work was written? I could also blame the crime of murder on the gun but the sword and stone have taken many lives before that. But even that would only be similiar if plato indeed does inspire men to evil which i believe he does not.
@Hapafull What a crock! Keep drinking that Leo Strauss cool-aid. I took as my senior seminar in philosophy Plato's 'Republic.' Wonderful book!
Down with all your prior statements! Allow me to quote G.K Chesterton, whom one could denote as a Platonist..."I may, it is true, twist orthodoxy so as to partly justify a tyrant. But I can easily make up a German philosophy to justify him entirely." A hedonist? Have you ever read Republic? Gorgias?
@MATTDUNCAN1 Sorry, but your knowledge, or ,perhaps better termed, assumption, is somewhat skewed and, at best, over-simplistic. All life begins the same, neither male or female. The ovaries and the testes are a development of the gonads. The gonads are formed from the gonadal ridge which, at first appearance, is the same in both sexes.
@SalutationToTheDawn ;;please refer to medical references on pre natal sex development..my assumption is based on these..so there is no need for your apology
"You may think of me as an atheist or a scientist or that I follow an ideology, just as you - but I am not any of it. "
I know, that's because what are is a deceived/deceiver ... and as long as a child of God's heart is right towards God none of what you have to say really shouldn't matter.
"This is not ideologic, it is simply being an humble man"
Only the Word of God truly defines "humility"--> Luke 18:13 (and any other word or concept for that matter) and not your "philosophy."
That is of course, unless you are not a "real" person....Which is a distinct possibility. Have you ever heard of the term "bot?" I'm sure you have... and I'm sure technology by now is so advanced that there programs are designed so convincingly as to fool even the average person into believing that are talking to a human when all along they are really NOT! --> The ultimate deception.
You can't be JUST "THINKING" while your thoughts are being electronically printed over this public forum and your hostile words are personally directed at God, His Word ... and myself.
So, basically to are asking me to compromise my Scriptural convictions and fall into lock step and agree with what ever corrupt, nonsensical, evil ideology YOU may believe in .. Sorry, cant do that -> (Acts 5:29)
And by the way ... as far as I know, this still is a free country.
"Your effort/will??" You're right, I don't worship that 'god', THAT is unscriptural. Even the Lords Prayer teaches that it is NOT 'OUR will' BUT "HIS WILL" be done in earth" (Matt.6:10) So,if you want to falsely believe that God did not protect/preserve his Pure Word (Ps 12:6-7) and believe it's not The Word of God but the words of corrupt men (1Thess 2:13) You are certainly free to believe that.. But you are wasting your time if you expect me to buy into that philosophical fruit.->(Gen 3:1-6)
That may be a nobel endeavor to believe that, BUT is that TRUE?
Jesus said :"I AM the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."... He also said : "If ye continue in MY WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall KNOW the TRUTH .."
So, BY ALL MEANS, trust in your fellow man to use their head to "judge what is right and what is wrong" ... But what happens if (or when) that judgement contradicts Scripture, and/or disagrees with what Christ says in His WORD?
That may be a nobel endeavor to believe that, BUT is that TRUE?
Jesus said : "I AM the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."... He also said : "If ye continue in MY WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall KNOW the TRUTH .."
So, BY ALL MEANS, trust in your fellow man to use their head to "judge what is right and what is wrong" ... But what happens if (or when) that judgement contradicts Scripture, and/or disagrees with what Christ says in His WORD?
"The philosophy of Plato changed the old picture of the world. His idea's about the beginnings of the world and bout immortality of the soul became A MODEL for the Christian religion" ???
If THAT were true, then how come you don't read about him in the NT? Jesus never mentioned him once in the Gospels. In fact, Colossians 2:8 warn's us against such teachings.
greece never lost its culture and identity. It was part of the Turkish/ottoman empire for many centuries after Rome, but it was a part of it not fully assimilated.
There is a lot of mixing of genetics and ethnicity from Roman and Turkish days, but a fair percentage of the people can still be traced back to the classical age Greeks.
As with the video on Socrates, the Encyclopedia channel makes numerous errors. It is likely only a later apocyphal story that his name was originaly Aristocles. Certainly that was his grandfathers name, but there are numerous references to Plato as a proper name at that time. Nothing to seriously suggest the tenous idea that it was a nickname due to his wide shoulders.
you know basspliff187 I find it ironic that you're watching a video regarding philosophy- often defined by open mindedness,skepticism and rejecting ignorance, and yet you're making a racist and ignorant statement yourself? Tsk Tsk:O
oh and by the way, 187 is california code for murder,if your username is a reflection of yourself I guess that means you condone killing huh?
Plato is a philosopher, he is many times more famous than this rapper you speak of. In fact, this rapper you mention has undoubtedly stolen the philosopher that I aforementioned. Tsk Tsk, I'm also guessing you're black, because you listen to rap and have a username that is suggestive of a profound hate for society. Now you have been burned.
im not black, im white, and i barely listen to any rap i mostly listen to metal cuz almost all rap is garbage and my favorite rapper (beast 1333) did a song with plato and i wanted to check out some of his other stuff. and why do you assume im black just because i have a username that expresses hatred for society? thats kind of racist. and btw if you like music you should checl out global resistance by beast 1333, just search it up on youtube
To be honest I find it hard to believe that anyone with a knowlege and understanding of Plato would so fastly jump to such conclusions based on what he wrote.
The fact that the first thought that came into your head was to classify him by colour/race speaks for its self.
Fair enough he didnt need to leave the comment he did an should have heard of Plato but your comment was by far worse.
...And even Socrates couldn't prove other wise :)
dude. i was totally kidding. I don't really articulate my speach like that unless im typifying the extremely rediculous. im really just trying to stir up drama, and see where it goes..i'm just bored on youtube so i talk nonsensical garbage. sorry didnt mean to offend..or did i?
The Greek spoken in Hellas today is but a corrupt inferior form of feudalist Koine Greek the likes of which were spoken in the court of Emperor Justinian of Byzantium.
Athenians beleived to have a special connection to ancestors who fought in the Trojan War. This wanting of connectedness ,form , is itself important. as It has helped and still helps many tribes overcome difficulties wether rooted in science or mysticism. So having an idea of being connected perhaps is more important than someone who is ignorant and has a connection genetically, culturally and or geographically?
I'm of Italian extraction and very proud of it. My mother is from the Puglia and my father is from Calabria. I think I have more of a genetic link to ancient Greek peoples than mist modern Greeks.
We Italians dont like to fight. My ancestors didnt like Mussolini. We dont want war. We make love to beautiful women, we eat the best cuisine, create world class art and design.
The ancient greek people were closer to caucasians then than they are now. I'm not saying they were blue-eyed and white, but genetically they were more similar. A simple understanding of biology and history will suffice for such an understanding. Whatever color Jesus had is irrelevant, as he only portrays one of three troublesome religions, all coming from the same troublesome area.
oh how cute white horse greek black horse turkey you are a good student of projecting you dark side on those who are darker the turks and sweet white people the greeks free pass very simple thinking forest
I love when people have no real message just you dont understand thanks for trying most dont even reply let me guess you dont understand i get it take care
What frightens governments is not Rock n Roll culture. Its the fear that the youth will actually pick up books and learn of better ways to do things. And old school stick in the mud governments do not want that !!
Paranoid. Even if humans are jealous of nature, the nature of life is to persevere and to develop itself, and so the will to teach the next generation to know even more and to think even deeper, reigns above the egoistic thoughts of a jealous government. No human organisation would want development to stop, and so they would not slow down the future developers (the youth) unless they found it beneficial for the prospects of the future.
very simple rock in roll is the generation of the current financial mess live hard party hard leave nothing for the next generation you have much to learn they can pay off the rockers with xtreme sports and beer and hot chicks rovckers shake up nothing but sounds music good classism simple rebel withought a cause rock on bro girls gone wild you have no logic just sound bites
I wish he finished his book about atlantis.
RoastyHat 1 week ago
thanks a lot for the upload!
DancerActressAndASpy 2 weeks ago
thanks this helps me greatly on my school report on Plato
zupergozer 3 weeks ago
@zupergozer Dont overlook the negative aspects of Plato. His influence was huge but not all of it good. The Republic is a blueprint for totalitarianism - read Karl Popper (the Open Society and its Enemies). The Republic was a dystopia not a utipia. Plato was indifferent to science to the point of hostility. Unlike Aristotle, Plato believed that there was no value in studying nature.
mikelheron20 3 weeks ago
@mikelheron20 thanks for sharing that friend
zupergozer 3 weeks ago
@zupergozer Youre welcome. Good luck with your report.
mikelheron20 3 weeks ago
Life must be lived as play
cheatdath 3 weeks ago
did Plato have children or ever got married?
tinkedofferm 1 month ago
Plato is a nickname?! daaangg..
zverevavika 1 month ago
@PlatonicSociety Plato belived in 4 leves of existence, where the highest form was the world of idea's, seaconf the level of math and numbers, third the real world we live in, and forth the level of art,(wich he despised) I dont know about god, but he wrote aboute a creature he called The Demiurge, wich came to mean something like "creator" (The Demiurg is belived to be an evil demond of some kind..?)
hcpiano 1 month ago
The greatest most contradictory philosopher ever; shrouded with hypocrisy.
TomCruiseParamount 4 months ago
I watching this in R.E its is so fucking shit .....
OzMercyProductionz 4 months ago
One of the greatest men that ever lived.
FreeGameHaxForLife 4 months ago
he likes turdle's!
coreygodofall1 5 months ago
Is this the dude from Bill and Teds Excellent Adventure?
moontooth 6 months ago
@moontooth no, thats socrates in the movie, the teacher OF plato
jeffborr77 5 months ago
@jeffborr77 yeah I really wished they emphasised the major impact of Socrates and how his death inspired plato.... but whateva
MochizMuM 5 months ago
@MochizMuM Whoa' you are more right about that than you might imagine. Supposedly Socrates never wrote anything down, do you think that a move about their relationship would be extremely pertinent within how religious faith and worship and the arguments over god are so redundant when philosophers have exemplified so much going all the way back to Hesoid and Homer 800bc. Have you ever read Meno written by Plato. or his epistle seven? It all has everything to do with Intrinsic Anthropology'
DrFruedienslip 5 months ago
@DrFruedienslip I think i've read a little of the Meno but that was a while back.... for a lack of anything to say ..I will check it all out lol....
MochizMuM 5 months ago
thank you!
timabad 6 months ago
Quick Tip: Reverse Alphabetical order - Socrates taught Plato who taught Aristotle. Not much to do with the video but this helps me remember.
AVSurks 6 months ago
Plato is my inspiration.
I am really happy that I get in touch with his work after all these years..
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youneekk 7 months ago
cameron youd likes plato
iamcamful 7 months ago
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pioneertothefall 8 months ago
No, Socrates is the Father of Western Philosophy.
Ph83niX 9 months ago
@Ph83niX I would think that too because Plato's writings are dialogues involving socrates. Hence socrates being the source of platonic idealism. Was Plato just the mediator?
07Aristotle 8 months ago
@07Aristotle Exactly. Plato, as said in the video, was Socrates' student/follower. Most of his ideas were originally Socrates' ideas. In fact, all of the sayings etc of Socrates can be found in Plato's books. Of course Plato added some ideas of his as well.
Marinemauro 8 months ago
@Marinemauro Socrates believed that written words could not reply to someone's questions. So,Plato actually wrote down everything his teacher taught him. But he took a step further by both adding new ideas and using litterature in his scripts. :)
bethanyviollette 7 months ago
@Ph83niX Why? Because he taught Plato? Doesn't really make him so
MillioN1199 6 months ago
Aristotle is way more realistic than plato
americanliberal09 9 months ago
@americanliberal09 Aristotle was more of a naturalist than Plato.
07Aristotle 8 months ago
@07Aristotle hmm i know but plato ideas in politic is more of utopia
americanliberal09 8 months ago
@americanliberal09 Aristotle attended Plato's school (the academy) and was one of the brightest students. I think he later founded his own school as well.
Marinemauro 8 months ago
@Marinemauro yeap i know that for sure, plato is o'k but his republic is little off for me
americanliberal09 7 months ago
@Marinemauro yes he did :)
bethanyviollette 7 months ago
@americanliberal09 To an extent. Aristotle's beliefs about spontaneous generation and many apparently true things were very false, but they appeared more realistic on the surface. Plato is a very deep, profound thinker, far more so than empiricists like Sagan have the courage to realize.
Nonamearisto 5 months ago
@Nonamearisto good point right their but his political views throw me off a little bit in his rrepublic
americanliberal09 5 months ago
Whats wrong with black horses?
ticallionstall 9 months ago
plato never said anything that I didnt think first.
dogmashine 9 months ago
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armen07aa 9 months ago
Plato is the Father of Philosophy
armen07aa 9 months ago 9
@armen07aa doubt it
anaselhaouat 9 months ago
@armen07 There is no father of philosophy' it has been transcended back before homer' there is no philosophy' what does the word represent' it implies ones manner of living
DrFruedienslip 5 months ago
@armen07aa no
AceEliteProduction 5 months ago
@Jimlead ..no, a metaphor is using one thing in order to demonstrate another (to use Frost' s definition), it's not emblishment, it's simply rephrasing. Well, perhaps in that aspect you're right, but it was an obscene metaphor which just seems obscure and rather pointless.
truelieswow 10 months ago
@Jimlead *metaphor
and that's an incredibly obscure and difficult to assertain metaphor, the stars definately can move you. how's that taken as me taken things for granted...?
truelieswow 10 months ago
@Jimlead i believe strongly in positive reinforcement, but you sit infront of me and move a house along a bit with just your will, then move on to stars.
you can't fuck with physics.
truelieswow 10 months ago
@Jimlead move stars?! i was with you for a bit, but you try fucking with physics.
have a go.
truelieswow 10 months ago
I hope you goes have more footage at the encyclopedia channel.
KEVLANEW80 10 months ago
the art of retoric...the gorgious..is the argument...
MrZeus169 11 months ago
the art of the good....
MrZeus169 11 months ago
Platon
faenfoie 1 year ago
Plato was the 1st to design a utopia?!?
Copper4head 1 year ago
@Copper4head nah, he came up with a kind of framework..thomas more coined the term in his book Utopia
truelieswow 10 months ago
very helpful for my project
KlassicKu02 1 year ago
Plato (he was called Platon) was in love with Dion as a young man. They were lovers and very happy together. - Socrates was not a man who existed in real life. -Philosophy was part of every day life at the time. - Platon enjoyed teaching his students who were of different ages but similar ability and very keen to learn. The school were Platon was teaching was a building on a hill and the teaching took place outside under olive trees. People were happy and free and had time to discuss philosopy.
lydialondon70 1 year ago
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wrrnlam 1 year ago
fuck! this is my homework by I understand fuckin nothing of this crap!!
splatt000 1 year ago
@splatt000 so, you think this video was hard to understand? .......
zajac1661 1 year ago
Plato hasn't seen jb
jon55789 1 year ago
i just started The Republic, and it seems to be a good read.
urbandenizen 1 year ago
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Even i thought so when I started to read it. The conversation with Thrasymachus is brilliant, but then Socrates just keeps talking without anyone saying anything but asserting what Socrates says, but never objecting it. Also, what I don't like about his ideal State is the censorship and totalitarianism, his abolition of our idea of what we call family and property and class stratification. But the allegory of cave is the only thing that stands true today.
kristiani95 1 year ago
This guy never existed. All of the greek philosophers of the bc era are nothing more that european creations. Europe didnt even have an alphabet until after alexanders arrival in egypt. 317 AD not b.c. ( Another lie told ). So is there was no form of writing how could you document the names of these b.c. philosophers and their writings. The simple answer is LIE. Its a lie. Dont be blind people do the research.
spyro519 1 year ago
@spyro519 So that is all lies but you are telling the truth? I was not alive at those times so I cannot say what is true or not, but this is the field of philosophy some would make the argument that you do not exist and others may believe them does that make them right? Do you truly exist my friend? If your answer is yes then how could I then "Know" for sure? I believe most of the history i have learned is true on a grand sense but in the minor details who can say for sure.
XXGDUBSXX 1 year ago
@spyro519 Also you claim europe had no alphabet and therfore no written language before 317 AD. From what I have heard architecture requires writing when dealing with exact mesurements. From what I believe Rome,Greece, north africa, much of western europe, egypt, the levant and china along with others had sophisticated architecture before 317 AD. If we are so blind my friend then enlighten us. How cruel of you to claim our beliefs as lies and then give us no direction to find the truth.
XXGDUBSXX 1 year ago
@XXGDUBSXX I havent been on in a while but let me first first correct myself before I get to you. I was reading my notes wrong it actually was BC. Im not here to challenge what you believe, Im only giving facts out. Alot of the world is caught up in western philisophy AKA History AKA His Story. There is even an article on theonion.com in which some european scholars admit that there werent any real records of the ancient western world so they created some. Pictures, documents etc
spyro519 1 year ago
@spyro519 the onion? isnt that a parody news station?
XXGDUBSXX 1 year ago
@XXGDUBSXX I dont know what it is. I know what these guys are saying. Ask them if they are a parody. These are the scholars that help start this information.
spyro519 1 year ago
@spyro519 It's a comedy network there information isnt .legitimate.
XXGDUBSXX 1 year ago
@spyro519 Have any evidence of this?
Wolfenman08 1 year ago
@spyro519 your a malaka ther was an alphabet in greece ( Hellas) long befor Alexander the great he just spread it round the word have you herd of linear b its from aproximatly 4500 years old look it up and you tell people to ejecate them selves i think yoy should take your own advise moron
ptcashdirect 1 year ago
@ptcashdirect Alexander was a glorified barbarian. They reason why gets so much praised from western scholars is because it was his mission that eventually led to europeans coming across sacred knowledge of africa, civilization, and the domination of the world today through many facets. The greeks were given an alphabet based on the phonetic one the egyptians used that was incorporated into the language they spoke. Meaning that they applied the egyptian phonetic to their language. Research lol
spyro519 1 year ago
@spyro519 the Greeks go their language from the Phonecians you moron
tHeWasTeDYouTh 1 year ago
@spyro519 wait..you're claiming that the *roman* alphabet that we use today wasn't created by the romans, it was created by A the Great? why would this be a lie?! also, the majority of greek history was oral, which is why we've lost so much of their work.
The romans created the alphabet and were from italy, in europe, where did you get this bullshit from?!
truelieswow 10 months ago
@spyro519 also, theonion is a satirical news network that you took to be real..that's hilarious.
and seriously, don't trust wikipida. the lives' of these philosophers is well documented.
truelieswow 10 months ago
who has dr fjed lol
tjnew04 1 year ago
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MySeedofTruth 1 year ago
pineappels are like food, you can eat it
MrDaanjanssen 1 year ago
i like turtlez
tonydanger89 1 year ago 10
@tonydanger89 Brilliant,Plato reincarnated.Could it be?
slickrickjohnson 1 year ago
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I hate how Western Education makes it sound as if the Greeks and Romans invented Philosophy and self-analysis in 300bc.
Buddha was teaching all of this 2200 years before these mental-midgets were even born!
loveruleshate 1 year ago
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I hate how Western Education makes it sound as if the Greeks and Romans invented Philosophy and self-analysis in 300bc.
Buddha was teaching all of this 2200 years before these mental-midgets were even born!
loveruleshate 1 year ago
Plato sounds a lot like an INTP.
Zaphenath4 1 year ago
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Actually the human history is full of repeated crises, wars, violent behaviors, mockery and discriminations of all kind. The solution? Teaching LOVE & COMPASSION. The time to read that message one child died because lacking food. PLEASE ACT NOW. Franck Renand, President, LOOK PACIFIC (NGO).
Franckrenand 1 year ago
@Hapafull Haha good one...oh wait. Just what I like to do, argue over the internet. You have good points of course, but when I read Plato's work, I don't think you are correct. The Justice in 'Republic' for the common man who cannot get squelched under the tyrant, the 'Form of the Good' in which the philosopher-king knows Good. Excellent stuff. You have to remember that Plato lived under The Thirty Tyrants and his writing reflects this. He opposed tyranny. The tyrannical man--and tyranny as a
ChevyChevelleSS 1 year ago
@ChevyChevelleSS political structure--is the worst (just below democracy). If he so vehemently opposed tyranny it seems odd to accuse him so blatantly of being THE precursor to it. But of course, I'm open to correction--Plato is one of my favorite philosophers for other reasons. I'll never forget my professor (a Plato and Rousseau scholar) defending Plato in class nonstop!
ChevyChevelleSS 1 year ago
@Hapafull You write "Living in a bubble tends to skew logical consistency and they often followed bias and prejudice in matters of politics."
Watch out for the bubble you are in, as well.
ChevyChevelleSS 1 year ago
Seinfeld's ancestor!
beatlefied70 1 year ago
-these despots i disagree as i would compare it to medieval times when royalty told there followers they followed the word of christ and god when in many occasion they commited adultery ,murder, were greedy , unmerciful to the poor and to there enemies in war, so would it be fair to say that because they claimed to follow these rules of god, they did?, or if they didnt and men knew of there foul deeds that they would place blame on the bible because the king had claim to be inspired by it?
XXGDUBSXX 1 year ago
@Hapafull leaders, platos idea of a philospher king where the wise rule, and this I believe is where the concept of o f him inspiring tyranny comes from but the philosopher king serves justly and Socrates said justice is the interest of the weak( again by weak i mean the common man,worker,soldier etc. not physically weak) So it would be the leaders duty to serve his people but tyrannies only serve themselves and aristocracies there immediate friends and relatives so when you say he influences -
XXGDUBSXX 1 year ago
@Hapafull men (or women) to lead us through travel, famine, war, times of wealth and golden ages but then you have generally two kinds of men that lead, Men who want to lead( for fame, power,women and wealth) and men who believe they must for fear (not in a terms of cowardice but in a context of they believe he is an unjust man) of having someon worse than them lead and of the latter it would be preferable to have a man with an open mind a man of reoson and of wisdom who would make the best -
XXGDUBSXX 1 year ago
@Hapafull -e sense of what is written in the "Republic" as man must eat so there must be people that hunt or gather food, man gets sick so there must be doctors, and men have souls so there must be a scholars devoted to such matters. Can any man do these things? For the most part yes bet when a man has a specific task he becomes better and more sophistocated with it making him a better doctor etc. Also our biology as apes demands us to look for leadership and guidance and this is where we need-
XXGDUBSXX 1 year ago
@Hapafull Your interpretation of the way Plato lived made me believe that you believed he was living an unjust life, a hyprocrite that criticises a system that benefits himself( feel free correct me if that is not what you meant). Yes i see that men are shown by plato to be servents of the society and i also agree that the idea of society is a concept and not a thing to be served but i believe if he talks of these men serving the state he means it in the way of he serve's his fellow men in th-
XXGDUBSXX 1 year ago
@Hapafull So are you claiming that tyrannies, despots, and imperialist did not exist until after platos work was written? I could also blame the crime of murder on the gun but the sword and stone have taken many lives before that. But even that would only be similiar if plato indeed does inspire men to evil which i believe he does not.
XXGDUBSXX 1 year ago
@Hapafull What a crock! Keep drinking that Leo Strauss cool-aid. I took as my senior seminar in philosophy Plato's 'Republic.' Wonderful book!
Down with all your prior statements! Allow me to quote G.K Chesterton, whom one could denote as a Platonist..."I may, it is true, twist orthodoxy so as to partly justify a tyrant. But I can easily make up a German philosophy to justify him entirely." A hedonist? Have you ever read Republic? Gorgias?
ChevyChevelleSS 1 year ago
@MuchAdmiredEditor Penis envy. So stupid. I can honestly say I have never once envied the penis nor desired to carry such a load around either.
dancesonpoles 1 year ago
thanks for the upload
TheBerkeleyBear 1 year ago
thanks!~
Amandar1975 1 year ago
Wonder if they no what color his underpants were.
malcjow 1 year ago
Plato more like pluto - load a crap.
malcjow 1 year ago
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tonyyut1970 1 year ago
@MuchAdmiredEditor ..sadly..your knowledge is somewhat skewed..all life begins as female..in males the ovaries drop down to form testicles
MATTDUNCAN1 2 years ago
@MATTDUNCAN1 Sorry, but your knowledge, or ,perhaps better termed, assumption, is somewhat skewed and, at best, over-simplistic. All life begins the same, neither male or female. The ovaries and the testes are a development of the gonads. The gonads are formed from the gonadal ridge which, at first appearance, is the same in both sexes.
SalutationToTheDawn 1 year ago
@SalutationToTheDawn ;;please refer to medical references on pre natal sex development..my assumption is based on these..so there is no need for your apology
MATTDUNCAN1 1 year ago
I wonder. Are females just funny shaped males or are they fundamentally different creatures?
reindeertigerteam 2 years ago
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DreamsofMajesty 2 years ago
"You may think of me as an atheist or a scientist or that I follow an ideology, just as you - but I am not any of it. "
I know, that's because what are is a deceived/deceiver ... and as long as a child of God's heart is right towards God none of what you have to say really shouldn't matter.
"This is not ideologic, it is simply being an humble man"
Only the Word of God truly defines "humility"--> Luke 18:13 (and any other word or concept for that matter) and not your "philosophy."
Galloingoyland 2 years ago
That is of course, unless you are not a "real" person....Which is a distinct possibility. Have you ever heard of the term "bot?" I'm sure you have... and I'm sure technology by now is so advanced that there programs are designed so convincingly as to fool even the average person into believing that are talking to a human when all along they are really NOT! --> The ultimate deception.
Galloingoyland 2 years ago
"Means that you are thinking, period?"
You can't be JUST "THINKING" while your thoughts are being electronically printed over this public forum and your hostile words are personally directed at God, His Word ... and myself.
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Galloingoyland 2 years ago
Follow the 'WRONG path'? The Bible teaches us to follow the narrow path->
(Matthew 7:13-15)
So, basically to are asking me to compromise my Scriptural convictions and fall into lock step and agree with what ever corrupt, nonsensical, evil ideology YOU may believe in .. Sorry, cant do that -> (Acts 5:29)
And by the way ... as far as I know, this still is a free country.
Galloingoyland 2 years ago
"Your effort/will??" You're right, I don't worship that 'god', THAT is unscriptural. Even the Lords Prayer teaches that it is NOT 'OUR will' BUT "HIS WILL" be done in earth" (Matt.6:10) So,if you want to falsely believe that God did not protect/preserve his Pure Word (Ps 12:6-7) and believe it's not The Word of God but the words of corrupt men (1Thess 2:13) You are certainly free to believe that.. But you are wasting your time if you expect me to buy into that philosophical fruit.->(Gen 3:1-6)
Galloingoyland 2 years ago
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That may be a nobel endeavor to believe that, BUT is that TRUE?
Jesus said :"I AM the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."... He also said : "If ye continue in MY WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall KNOW the TRUTH .."
So, BY ALL MEANS, trust in your fellow man to use their head to "judge what is right and what is wrong" ... But what happens if (or when) that judgement contradicts Scripture, and/or disagrees with what Christ says in His WORD?
Galloingoyland 2 years ago
That may be a nobel endeavor to believe that, BUT is that TRUE?
Jesus said : "I AM the way, THE TRUTH, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."... He also said : "If ye continue in MY WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall KNOW the TRUTH .."
So, BY ALL MEANS, trust in your fellow man to use their head to "judge what is right and what is wrong" ... But what happens if (or when) that judgement contradicts Scripture, and/or disagrees with what Christ says in His WORD?
Galloingoyland 2 years ago
Atlantis is discussed in the Timaeus not the Crito dialogue.
KleosAphthiton 2 years ago
"The philosophy of Plato changed the old picture of the world. His idea's about the beginnings of the world and bout immortality of the soul became A MODEL for the Christian religion" ???
If THAT were true, then how come you don't read about him in the NT? Jesus never mentioned him once in the Gospels. In fact, Colossians 2:8 warn's us against such teachings.
Galloingoyland 2 years ago
yea like the christians that made up the book are going to talk about anyone but christ you fucken tardass.
cprophecy 2 years ago
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dlhoneysnaps 2 years ago
lol. Plato mentions Atlantis in the "Timaeus" and the "Critias", NOT the "Crito" (as said at 5:28) ...
metalarmageddon 2 years ago
greece never lost its culture and identity. It was part of the Turkish/ottoman empire for many centuries after Rome, but it was a part of it not fully assimilated.
There is a lot of mixing of genetics and ethnicity from Roman and Turkish days, but a fair percentage of the people can still be traced back to the classical age Greeks.
jrnesbit 2 years ago
As with the video on Socrates, the Encyclopedia channel makes numerous errors. It is likely only a later apocyphal story that his name was originaly Aristocles. Certainly that was his grandfathers name, but there are numerous references to Plato as a proper name at that time. Nothing to seriously suggest the tenous idea that it was a nickname due to his wide shoulders.
Cathain78 2 years ago
Greetings from another Greek Platon...me:)
plakil 2 years ago
plato's theory of forms and the efficient cause of aristotle,,, relative?
yvantawas 2 years ago
Put down thy Aristotle and pick up thy Plato.
ludachris475 2 years ago 18
@ludachris475 LOL
SilenceIsPeace 1 year ago
Whatever you think, with out Plato noone would remember Socrates.
Saying that, if there was no Socrates there would be no Plato to keep a record of what he did.
Peace
Instrumentals4Sale 2 years ago
All of you should be veryvery ashamed of yourselves. Open up your head fools !
sarahdemarco 2 years ago
Prognosis: Your organ of self-reflection has suffered a tragic infarct.
ludachris475 2 years ago 9
you know basspliff187 I find it ironic that you're watching a video regarding philosophy- often defined by open mindedness,skepticism and rejecting ignorance, and yet you're making a racist and ignorant statement yourself? Tsk Tsk:O
oh and by the way, 187 is california code for murder,if your username is a reflection of yourself I guess that means you condone killing huh?
:O
jewmeistermax 2 years ago
this guy is amazing, no seriously im high
sowrab123 2 years ago
what the fuck is this bullshit? i was looking for plato the rapper
fuckamerica109 2 years ago
Plato is a philosopher, he is many times more famous than this rapper you speak of. In fact, this rapper you mention has undoubtedly stolen the philosopher that I aforementioned. Tsk Tsk, I'm also guessing you're black, because you listen to rap and have a username that is suggestive of a profound hate for society. Now you have been burned.
basspliff187 2 years ago 2
im not black, im white, and i barely listen to any rap i mostly listen to metal cuz almost all rap is garbage and my favorite rapper (beast 1333) did a song with plato and i wanted to check out some of his other stuff. and why do you assume im black just because i have a username that expresses hatred for society? thats kind of racist. and btw if you like music you should checl out global resistance by beast 1333, just search it up on youtube
fuckamerica109 2 years ago 2
your a low life for that comment.. the numerous world hating emo children of this society cling to what type of music? rap?
Tigglesssz 2 years ago
*Basspliff187*
Hey Spliff burner :)
To be honest I find it hard to believe that anyone with a knowlege and understanding of Plato would so fastly jump to such conclusions based on what he wrote.
The fact that the first thought that came into your head was to classify him by colour/race speaks for its self.
Fair enough he didnt need to leave the comment he did an should have heard of Plato but your comment was by far worse.
...And even Socrates couldn't prove other wise :)
Peace.
Instrumentals4Sale 2 years ago
dude. i was totally kidding. I don't really articulate my speach like that unless im typifying the extremely rediculous. im really just trying to stir up drama, and see where it goes..i'm just bored on youtube so i talk nonsensical garbage. sorry didnt mean to offend..or did i?
peace out my arian brother
basspliff187 2 years ago
Who cares? Write it in your notebook and see how you feel about it in the mourning.
Simply1Pro 2 years ago
You Philistine!
wgaule 2 years ago
ok...
fuckamerica109 2 years ago
I JUST LOVE THIS!
THANX!!!
19HarajukuGirl90 2 years ago
Fantastic!!!!
THANKS!!!
DIEZCOLORADO 2 years ago
Plato is among the Greatest Minds that ever lived.
AnonymousWhitePerson 2 years ago 3
Plato is vastly the Greastest Philosopher who ever lived.
ludachris475 2 years ago 4
nope socrates was the greatest
Aeshmauniversus 2 years ago
Yes, I meant to say that.
ludachris475 2 years ago
...define "Greastrest"
basspliff187 2 years ago
If you will carefully observe my previous statement, you will notice that I wrote, "Greastest" and not "Greastrest."
ludachris475 2 years ago 3
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Snotra 2 years ago
The Greek spoken in Hellas today is but a corrupt inferior form of feudalist Koine Greek the likes of which were spoken in the court of Emperor Justinian of Byzantium.
PrincessShittyBottom 2 years ago 3
The Greeks of modern Greece bear almost no relation to the Greeks of Plato's Academy. They are an inferior race to that of antiquity.
PrincessShittyBottom 2 years ago 5
it makes me wonder too, how is that ?
Morphinos 2 years ago
Perhaps he does have a special connection?
Athenians beleived to have a special connection to ancestors who fought in the Trojan War. This wanting of connectedness ,form , is itself important. as It has helped and still helps many tribes overcome difficulties wether rooted in science or mysticism. So having an idea of being connected perhaps is more important than someone who is ignorant and has a connection genetically, culturally and or geographically?
endgammer 2 years ago
Greece is a backward looking country.
I'm of Italian extraction and very proud of it. My mother is from the Puglia and my father is from Calabria. I think I have more of a genetic link to ancient Greek peoples than mist modern Greeks.
We Italians dont like to fight. My ancestors didnt like Mussolini. We dont want war. We make love to beautiful women, we eat the best cuisine, create world class art and design.
endgammer 2 years ago
Not very much of Plato's more interesting work shown here.. and also a very Christian view of it all..
RossbartonFS 2 years ago 2
The ancient greek people were closer to caucasians then than they are now. I'm not saying they were blue-eyed and white, but genetically they were more similar. A simple understanding of biology and history will suffice for such an understanding. Whatever color Jesus had is irrelevant, as he only portrays one of three troublesome religions, all coming from the same troublesome area.
ParleLeVu 2 years ago
oh how cute white horse greek black horse turkey you are a good student of projecting you dark side on those who are darker the turks and sweet white people the greeks free pass very simple thinking forest
271975hctruth 2 years ago
You misunderstand.
ParleLeVu 2 years ago
I love when people have no real message just you dont understand thanks for trying most dont even reply let me guess you dont understand i get it take care
271975hctruth 2 years ago
I'll just let you continue your quest for stupidity. First of all: Learn english. Second of all: Learn something about philosophy. Third: Grow up.
ParleLeVu 2 years ago
What frightens governments is not Rock n Roll culture. Its the fear that the youth will actually pick up books and learn of better ways to do things. And old school stick in the mud governments do not want that !!
acerb45666555 2 years ago
Paranoid. Even if humans are jealous of nature, the nature of life is to persevere and to develop itself, and so the will to teach the next generation to know even more and to think even deeper, reigns above the egoistic thoughts of a jealous government. No human organisation would want development to stop, and so they would not slow down the future developers (the youth) unless they found it beneficial for the prospects of the future.
ParleLeVu 2 years ago
very simple rock in roll is the generation of the current financial mess live hard party hard leave nothing for the next generation you have much to learn they can pay off the rockers with xtreme sports and beer and hot chicks rovckers shake up nothing but sounds music good classism simple rebel withought a cause rock on bro girls gone wild you have no logic just sound bites
271975hctruth 2 years ago
very good indeed!!!!
claitontesch 2 years ago
plato was a pedo??????? please someone tell me more !
abovetheinfluence247 2 years ago
"This" cannot be refuted.
AnonymousWhitePerson 2 years ago
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