@robert33182 Well that not true. A 12yr old kid in Taiwan who works 12 hours straight doesn't get as big as reward as his/her CEO of the company does, a CEO who sits there in his big mansion
God loves people screwing the other guy that's why we have over zealous brothers and sisters screwing each other more and more now over Family Estates OH HOW GOD LOVES THE RICH!
Wow ur all retards. Everyone who works hard deserves to get rewarded, the harder the work the bigger the prize. Jesus said to share but he never said that if you worked hard that a poor guy deserves more money to you. He said help the man out and do not get attached to materials but it doesnt mean that a doctor and a cashier should be paid the same.
Jesus taught selfless giving out of love, that we shouldn't cling to our material possessions, not that everyone is entitled to a fair share of mammon.
Good. I like capitalism and I don't like Christians!
Oh wait. Michael Moore is siding with Christians only to promote some nutty view of socialism? What a lying piece of shit that motherfucker is. He doesn't give a fuck about Christians, Capitalists, or anyone other than a fat fucker named Michael Moore.
Actually, if you really want to see christianity, in my opinion, the most christian government is communism, because that mean the pie is shared equally among everyone. But this would never happen because we won't be constructing a Utopia anytime soon. People always abuse power.
@carloscampozano And anyone who believes there is a "pie" is a fucking retard.
Having a "pie" means that someone is hogging when they take a bigger share, but in reality ... the producers MAKE the pies. You can make a pie but apparently you would rather try to shake someone down for a piece of what they've made.
Fucking bozo. Utopia is a myth and all you have to do is check out how panhandlers act to figure out the bottom feeders are incapable of partaking in your pipe dream.
If God wanted to use force to make people obey him than he wouldn't have given us free will. God is a Libertarian. He wants us to help the poor, and stay away from evil things, but if he wanted to force us then why give us free will?
the capitalism is bad like the communism because both systems are jewish system, your people, the jewish are the most capitalists one of this world because they live from the usure.
capitalism may well be anti-christian. However in America, religion shouldn't be brought into such arguments because in America, religion is not supposed to interfere with politics.
@MrGilles1990 You confess to pedophiles and you dare accuse our prophet of pedophile. Your biased historians are known to demonize good men and glorify evil men. The whole Aisha marriage was all fabricated just to smear Islam and keep people away from the religion. it failed big time. They plan and plot to bring Islam down and Allah plans too and the best of all planners is Allah.....so true...No wonder why they refer the truth as being stranger then fiction now days..
"If you say in your heart that it was by my own power and might that I have gained this wealth, Remember that it was God who gave you the ablitity...."
God does not agree with the Doctrine of 'merit' when it comes to wealth
Heres' what gets me when it come to ConservativeChristian philosophy...
They will take the scripture and twist it around to fit what they want it to say but then ignore every other teaching in the bible that convicts them of wrong doing
Like "the workman is worthy of his hire" 1Timothy5:18, Luke 10:7, Matthew 10:10
So are all those companies who hire Labor outside the U.S. paying equvilent wages to American Workers? If not then That company is Anti-Scripture.
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
The scripture tells us that your wage (the proper wages that you should be getting paid) are owed you in debt. That means that for every day that your wages are not in your hand you have a right to charge interest on them (according to scripture) So Do the Conservitives really want to try and bring the Bible into all this?
Heres another one Luke14:12-14Then said he to him that asked, When you make a Feast, call not your friends, or your brothers, nor your kin, nor any rich neighbours; lest they also return your favor. But rather when you make a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: So that you will be blessed; for they cannot return the favor too you:
Scripture doesn't say they have to WORK for your favor.
So true. He does not compel them to do so, however. He suggests it so that you will be blessed. It is not the role of government to play god, but the individual can if they want, according to the quote you gave us.
No your not compelled to be blessed... you can choose not too...
Neither can a Government 'compel' you to do anything...
So... your point being?
Government does however play God every day... They kill people on Death Row... They declare Wars other countries that the majority of people don't agree with... pass laws to benefit the Wealthy as opposed to the Poor... So on...
You are correct. Government does play God everyday, and must be opposed for doing so. Government steals, extorts, lies, cheats etc. That is why God gave us the Constitution, a Divinely inspired document, for us to follow as imperfect beings.
Matthew 19:21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
If God a Capitalist why have this Rich guy sell all he has and give it to the poor? and then follow Christ? wasn't he already following Chirst by being a good Capitalist? Geuss not hummm?
I believe the Capitalist does give to the sick and afflicted through charity. Bill Gates gave 15 billion for aids vaccinations for African sick and afflicted. I do not believe Jesus wanted government to enslave everyone and make it compulsory.
"Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do." (Paul saying he was froward to remember the poor) (Remember means to not forget them.) (I know there are some Christians(?) who seem to have forgotten that)
For the benefit of the False profits amoung us allow me to qoute...
James 2:5-7
"Hear, my beloved brethren, Has not God chosen THE POOR OF THIS WORLD who are rich in faith, and heirs to the kingdom of God which he has promised to those that love him? But you have despised the poor. DO NOT RICH MEN OPPRESS YOU, and draw you before the judgment seats? Do not THEY BLASPHEME THAT WORTHY NAME by which you are called?"
Interesting that you do not quote what your commenting on...
My point on quoting scriptures is simply this, Mr. Moore said Capitalism is Anti Christian and This is true if we interpret capitalism as defined by conservative thinking...
Matthew 25:
"When I was hungry did you feed me? When I was thirsty did you bring me drink? When I was a stranger did you take me in? When I was naked did you clothe me? When I was sick did you did you care for me?"
@BJJistheway LOL! crawl back in your hole pretend holyman... it's 2Thessaloians3:10 And if you read the book Thessalonians you quicly figure out that Paul did not Eat because he wished to demonstrate what a Good minister should be doing (like not accepting food from the poor) And that their were certain ones in that congregation who would rather 'busybody' than do any real work. I think their names were Rush Pimpball, Glen Speck, Shawn Handily, Cann Culture and Bill O'mighty)
@BJJistheway So Paul is advocating that the, Old, the children, the Envilid, don't have a right too eat?... no wonder people don't believe in the bible...
Michael Moore is right, Jesus did preach spreading the wealth, i.e. socialism. I think it would be great if we all did it, but I still don't think the government should force us to do it.
Socialism is not spreading wealth. It is stealing from one group to buy the votes of the other. Jesus did not believe stealing was good. Jesus did not want us to be forced to believe in him, he wanted us to come to him voluntarily. Government is made up of men, and men do not have the right to extort others, and if they do so, then they will end up like the Soviet Union ended up.
The people who have money convert their funds into cash (dollar bills), they go out and either find people who they think need it, or give it to an organization that does it. Or they can hire people to do something for them and pay very high wages. It could work lots of ways, it's not too complicated.
@heatbucspies55 They shouldnt. But read acts chapter 4 verse 32. Socialism is christianity without God and the Holy Spirit. It only works if you add love for your neighbor and God into the equation
@ClarkKasheta please, enlighten me with some scripture to back that statement up. Because, and maybe your are reading a different bible, but isn't christ the one who says, own nothing of your own? Give twice as much that is asked of you? Carry nothing extra? Take no thought for the morrow? Where is the greed in capitalism within Christ's teachings?
@ClarkKasheta You have NO proof that Jeasus was a capitalist except what the Greed pundits have told you. and If Jeasus was no capitalist then his apostles certainly were not. Nor the Saints. Unless you think they were opposed to Christ. Nor is it writen in the American Constitution that "we the Capitalist people of American" Now you on the other hand it seems are not only capitalist but also Anti-christian
@norvman You're pretty funny. Jesus says "let your light shine before men," and "you are the salt of the earth;" both sayings are affirmations for people with strong character and the desire to succeed. While monetary gain is not always the sign of success, it certainly can be; and, in a free society, all men should be rewarded for their talents. He also said "don't bury your talent." And remember, those who used their talents wisely, received rich material reward. Jesus was a capitalist.
Lots of 'fine' Ideas you have there Clark me boy but they are not YVHVs Ideas...
If your are a 'servant' of God then you are not a "Freeman" and you do not belong to a "Free society" and there for you do not have a "Freemarket" because all that you do and produce belongs first and foremost to God First and not you to choose what you will and will not do with it...
@norvman First of all, I have no idea what YVHV is. Secondly, here is my argument that refutes yours: God is freedom. God is also benevolent. A person who is a servant of God also partakes in God. To partake in God is to partake in freedom. To partake in freedom is to partake in God's benevolence. Hence, he who serves God is free and blessed.
@ClarkKasheta Yes it's pretty obvious that you don't know who God is or else you would have corrected my mis-spelling of YHVH. Secondly The Truth sets you free not God... but the truth is that God is our creator and therefore our Father and as 'his' children we are forever his servants. You cannot partake in God without being obedient to him. That is what a Disciple is, One who is obedient to the commands of another. Perhaps you should go back and read your scriptures some more little one.
@ClarkKasheta Everyone is a teacher to the un-learned... The Pharacees thought Christ was pretty Arrogant too. The putrid thing is the Teaching of Satanic thoughts as if it was Christianity... To take Gods word and twist it to what you want it to say is to Take Gods name in vain. To Say that God has said something that he has not at all said is to commit the unforgiveable sin. Because you not only turn yourself from God but others as well. I would hope you would concider what your doing.
God was not capitalist in the old days as there was no capitalism. Capitalism grew from breaking the bonds of slavery from kings and dictators. If Jesus was alive today, he would embrace free enterprise, as he would not want people sitting around getting fat on welfare.
@BJJistheway but the thory would be that the government would provied everyone with a job and then they would work and they do eat... the system we have now is that evern if u do work u might not eat... the mum with a low paying job who cant feed her or her kids is an exasample
@BJJistheway Negatory. To say that your life belongs to others or serving others is a moral duty, but you ought to be free to act as you wish is a contradiction. A good servant has to accept, not oppose the commands of his master (anyone with "need.") Capitalism is the system of man's values, not of God.
Face it. Moore is right here. (Although actually I should have better phrased that to say that "Christianity is anti-capitalism" to be more accurate, instead of the other way around.)
A famous passage which Christians interpret as a denunciation of wealth is Mark 10:21 when Jesus tells a disciple to give away his possessions and to follow him. This is not meant for all Christians, but for those who have an unhealthy obsession with wealth that prevents them from accepting God.
The accumulation of wealth in itself is not an evil thing. In fact, it requires virtues such as prudence and diligence. After all, how can you fight poverty in a society that considers prosperity a sin?
Jesus was also a total passivist ( to all you gun owners) He also said not to sue people. He wanted everyone to give there stuff away. Try running a business with that philosphy
Recently Yaron Brook debated someone on this very issue. SInce religion supports altruism and collectivism. Which conflict with capitalism. Besides Jesus was against loaning money at interest. A must in a capitalist society.
I can't stand this dude, yet he is totally right about this. ANyone who has red the NT knows that it is not compatible with capitalism. It has more in common with communism. And there were/are Christian communist folks. (Acts 2) They may not share all the same premises as Marx, but they share the same conclusion. As well as Christian socialists (Tony Blair, Gordon Brown) I would even say that it supports a type facsism after reading Romans 13...look it up.
Moores a moron, and this interviewer lets him off the hook. Instead of calling for the prosecution of "individuals" who exploit systems (his buddies), he diverts your attention to the "evils of capitalism". Where have we heard that bullshit before. Lets see...Plank 1 destroy God, Plank 2 the violent overthrow of private property ownership (capitalism). Moore must think he's the only one whose read Karl Marx, which makes him an all time favorite pimple on society. WYFU people...
um.. how many republicans AREN"T religious here? come on. someone show a hand!
why does anyone have to believe in an invisible man in the sky in order to be moral or ethical? all actions have consequences. you learn that. but not always by some scary book. our elders can teach us, just like their elders taught them just like their elders taught them and so on...and life itself. but the same old religions stick to us like gum in our hair. why?
I'm not very religious, but I have many conservative views. There's a better form of capitalism. What we have started off as industrial capitalism, but now it is simply interest capitalism for guys like Soros on the top of the banking system making currency bets and so forth. Those same people want the non-elite to only make a certain amount of $ while they take it all. The U.S. has opened it's arms to the world too wide, heart-warming and all, but we have a very dark future ahead as a result.
so are the number of stories in the bible where jesus tells you to be selfish = to the number where he states that the poor are the holiest of us all and that giving onto others is one of the most important christian principles? if so maybe i missread it >.> i was under the impression that regardless of means spreading the wealth is central to christian thought and ideals... or maybe its just that people just pick and choose out of the bible... (abortion, anti-gay ect...)
But what is he supposed to do with the money? keep it for himslef? Its always good to try to understand Scripture through the context of the whole Bible.
That story is an allegory. What Jesus means there is that you should use your gifts and talents for a greater good. And none of money making guys in the story use money at the cost of another person, which is the case in capitalism.
I think for him to call Capitalism anti-Christian is a mistake on many levels. Yes, he included all the other religions briefly, but nobody is going to focus on that concept. All they will hear is the sound bite. I can tell from the comments below that as usual- most people are morons who refuse to fill in the blanks (when they damn well know what the man is trying to say) but it's a lot more fun to just call him a fat SOB and a rich hyporite prick than it is to debate the actual message.
@mydogjesus I knowe americans read the anty-christ-bible and worship the antychrist however :
Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."
The rich man and the needle , wealthy man gos to hell for being wealthy while the poor go to heavone , jesus instructs his disciple to abandon their homes and wealth , jesus atacks bankers for lending money in the temple.
Capitalism is absolutely anti-Christian as it is against the altruist-collectivist morality that Judeo-Christianity holds. The teachings of Christ demand self-denial and self-sacrifice and is totally anti-individual and anti-egoist.
Glad we could get that straight.
Let's also get the other facts straight: this isn't a "form of Capitalism," this is a mixed economy that has some freedoms vs some controls. Moore wants more controls because he hates freedom and loves being a slave.
"Capitalism is absolutely anti-Christian as it is against the altruist-collectivist morality that Judeo-Christianity holds. The teachings of Christ demand self-denial and self-sacrifice and is totally anti-individual and anti-egoist."
@Koutetsu Ok so when your children get lead poisoning because McD's wanted to get ahold of cheaper happy meal toys then don't complain about a damn thing because you yourself wanted less government intervention... You're a tool, you need to realize that the actions of some have terrible concequences on others (no matter the intentions), and we have to use government to stop it. Instead of just abolishing it like you wish we could do... You're bad for America just as you think Moore is... idiot
@caucasianjake Capitalism is based on the moral right of each person to his own life, body, and property. Any infringement on these rights is subject to lawful prosecution in accordance with the principles of strict liability. In a free economy, sellers of adulterated products are liable for fraud and injuring the buyer's body. The legal code of the free society prohibits all invasions of persons and property, including poisoning one's customers.
@caucasianjake Your objection is based on the simplistic fantasy the private sector wants to kill you. Businesses exist simply to kill all of their customers. Be thankful that our beneficent social engineers with their armies of bureaucrats and arbitrary interventions are there to keep them in line.
@Koutetsu I've never heard such a doublespeak comment in my life. Capitalism in its pure form is absolute freedom and prosperity. God wants us to live happy abundant lives and Capitalism when its not invaded and corrupted like it is these days allows you to do whatever it takes to pursue your full measure of happiness and there's nothing sinful or anti-christian about it.
how many facts did you want him to fit into a 1min clip? Capitalism unfiltered does not protect every man so much as it defends the most able of mens rights to hoard wealth. Capitalism has its place but it's most definitely anti-Christian because it has become its own religion and God says not to worship false gods or put any other god before him. I'm not Christian or anti-capitalism but don't accuse the guy of being an ass and then not support that statement with facts of your own.
I agree in a sense Wall Street and heath care companies don't care about the people which end up losing. Capitalism in a sense says do what you want, make your millions, and if you screw up, you made your millions. I cannot tell you how many people lost their life savings when Wall Street crashed.
@robert33182 Well that not true. A 12yr old kid in Taiwan who works 12 hours straight doesn't get as big as reward as his/her CEO of the company does, a CEO who sits there in his big mansion
JoshWhitt101 6 days ago
MICHEAL MOORE PURE LOGIC.
MRTEL7777 6 days ago
Michael Moore obviously isn't a Christian, Christianity teaches that gluttony is a sin.
AarontheCurious 3 weeks ago
@AarontheCurious Hes Catholic, the gluttony is not greed for food when there is much, but greed for money, and thinks.
kevinjjfr 2 weeks ago
2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
BrianK0220 1 month ago
@BrianK0220 SO CORRECT, wish Moore would know more about the bible he preaches
StillxDRE 5 days ago
Te admiro Michael. ,I admire Michael
9993439 3 months ago
God loves people screwing the other guy that's why we have over zealous brothers and sisters screwing each other more and more now over Family Estates OH HOW GOD LOVES THE RICH!
1290001 3 months ago
Moore looks to be in favor of basing the United States on theology. Replace capitalism with the seeds of radicalism? I laughed.
tyrannasaurasalan 4 months ago
Wow ur all retards. Everyone who works hard deserves to get rewarded, the harder the work the bigger the prize. Jesus said to share but he never said that if you worked hard that a poor guy deserves more money to you. He said help the man out and do not get attached to materials but it doesnt mean that a doctor and a cashier should be paid the same.
robert33182 4 months ago
Jesus taught selfless giving out of love, that we shouldn't cling to our material possessions, not that everyone is entitled to a fair share of mammon.
Brynnium 4 months ago
As the evil capitalist and atheist that I am, I only say: Fuck you, mickey moore!
crocve 5 months ago
Good. I like capitalism and I don't like Christians!
Oh wait. Michael Moore is siding with Christians only to promote some nutty view of socialism? What a lying piece of shit that motherfucker is. He doesn't give a fuck about Christians, Capitalists, or anyone other than a fat fucker named Michael Moore.
williejenkins666 5 months ago
Actually, if you really want to see christianity, in my opinion, the most christian government is communism, because that mean the pie is shared equally among everyone. But this would never happen because we won't be constructing a Utopia anytime soon. People always abuse power.
carloscampozano 6 months ago 2
@carloscampozano And anyone who believes there is a "pie" is a fucking retard.
Having a "pie" means that someone is hogging when they take a bigger share, but in reality ... the producers MAKE the pies. You can make a pie but apparently you would rather try to shake someone down for a piece of what they've made.
Fucking bozo. Utopia is a myth and all you have to do is check out how panhandlers act to figure out the bottom feeders are incapable of partaking in your pipe dream.
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To put this into perspective.... Education is anti-christian
KaslarProductions 7 months ago
If God wanted to use force to make people obey him than he wouldn't have given us free will. God is a Libertarian. He wants us to help the poor, and stay away from evil things, but if he wanted to force us then why give us free will?
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frankiegmh 8 months ago
The bible clearly states we should be scrapping capitalism and replacing it with socialism:
"The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land [is] mine; for ye [are] strangers and sojourners with me." —Leviticus 25:23
beesleeper 8 months ago
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Childinfaith 9 months ago
michael moore maricon.
the capitalism is bad like the communism because both systems are jewish system, your people, the jewish are the most capitalists one of this world because they live from the usure.
barbarotico 9 months ago
Both Communism and Capitalism thrive on taking away from people.
USARY is evil/ slavery. Focus on the financial system, no the puppets in government.
CO2TROL 9 months ago
Then again, so is gluttony
CO2TROL 9 months ago
capitalism may well be anti-christian. However in America, religion shouldn't be brought into such arguments because in America, religion is not supposed to interfere with politics.
StillxDRE 11 months ago
@StillxDRE
I agree also no gay marriage because its in the bible.....
peapodsss 10 months ago
Buddha and Mohammed are not true prophets Mr.Moore.
One was gluttonous(like yourself) the other was a paedophile.
pure Capitalism is evil.
Pure Socialism is evil.
a mix of 70% capitalism and a mix of 30% socialism is the right balance.
I know were i am coming from when i am talking about socialism, my country barely survived the 52% socialism that existed in our country.
We are paying the price, and that price costs £4.8 trillion.
MrGilles1990 1 year ago
@MrGilles1990 Muhammad(pbuh) is a prophet and that i not the point he is trying to make. What is your agenda?
blaqsoldier 11 months ago
@MrGilles1990 You confess to pedophiles and you dare accuse our prophet of pedophile. Your biased historians are known to demonize good men and glorify evil men. The whole Aisha marriage was all fabricated just to smear Islam and keep people away from the religion. it failed big time. They plan and plot to bring Islam down and Allah plans too and the best of all planners is Allah.....so true...No wonder why they refer the truth as being stranger then fiction now days..
blaqsoldier 11 months ago
the flying spaghetti monster included!
hobo8675309 1 year ago
If he hates capitalism so much he can move to a socialist country.
aaa333ify 1 year ago
I like this guy!
omahni2 1 year ago
Deuteronomy 8:17-18
"If you say in your heart that it was by my own power and might that I have gained this wealth, Remember that it was God who gave you the ablitity...."
God does not agree with the Doctrine of 'merit' when it comes to wealth
norvman 1 year ago
Michael Moore is one of which Yuri Bezmenov speaks on YouTube. It is interesting that people confuse spiritual guidance with the market place rules.
maumaucommie 1 year ago
I doubt that Jesus, if he were alive today, would want people to steal from others.
He was a spiritual leader, not an economic leader.
Yuri Bezmenov on YouTube explains how socialism and Christianity do not mix.
maumaucommie 1 year ago
Heres' what gets me when it come to ConservativeChristian philosophy...
They will take the scripture and twist it around to fit what they want it to say but then ignore every other teaching in the bible that convicts them of wrong doing
Like "the workman is worthy of his hire" 1Timothy5:18, Luke 10:7, Matthew 10:10
So are all those companies who hire Labor outside the U.S. paying equvilent wages to American Workers? If not then That company is Anti-Scripture.
norvman 1 year ago
@norvman
note here also real quick another scripture
Romans 4:4
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
The scripture tells us that your wage (the proper wages that you should be getting paid) are owed you in debt. That means that for every day that your wages are not in your hand you have a right to charge interest on them (according to scripture) So Do the Conservitives really want to try and bring the Bible into all this?
norvman 1 year ago
Heres another one Luke14:12-14Then said he to him that asked, When you make a Feast, call not your friends, or your brothers, nor your kin, nor any rich neighbours; lest they also return your favor. But rather when you make a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: So that you will be blessed; for they cannot return the favor too you:
Scripture doesn't say they have to WORK for your favor.
norvman 1 year ago
@norvman
So true. He does not compel them to do so, however. He suggests it so that you will be blessed. It is not the role of government to play god, but the individual can if they want, according to the quote you gave us.
maumaucommie 1 year ago
@maumaucommie
No your not compelled to be blessed... you can choose not too...
Neither can a Government 'compel' you to do anything...
So... your point being?
Government does however play God every day... They kill people on Death Row... They declare Wars other countries that the majority of people don't agree with... pass laws to benefit the Wealthy as opposed to the Poor... So on...
you need to study on this subject some more...
norvman 1 year ago
@norvman
You are correct. Government does play God everyday, and must be opposed for doing so. Government steals, extorts, lies, cheats etc. That is why God gave us the Constitution, a Divinely inspired document, for us to follow as imperfect beings.
maumaucommie 1 year ago
@maumaucommie
afraid we are not in agreement
The Constitution, as Great as it is, is not a Divinely inspired document
It was writen by and for imperfect human beings...
Perhaps it is in fact the best we can do...
but that alone does not make it divine...
norvman 1 year ago
@maumaucommie
"You are correct. Government does play God everyday, "
And God gives them the right to do so...
Heb. 13:17, Daniel 2:22,
Daniel 4:25
"the most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomsoever he will."
He however does not give this right to the Wealthy...
norvman 1 year ago
Matthew 19:21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
If God a Capitalist why have this Rich guy sell all he has and give it to the poor? and then follow Christ? wasn't he already following Chirst by being a good Capitalist? Geuss not hummm?
norvman 1 year ago
@norvman
I believe the Capitalist does give to the sick and afflicted through charity. Bill Gates gave 15 billion for aids vaccinations for African sick and afflicted. I do not believe Jesus wanted government to enslave everyone and make it compulsory.
maumaucommie 1 year ago
@maumaucommie
then they won't have any problem with Welfare and Health Care then will they
norvman 1 year ago
Or how about this one.
Galations 2:10
"Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do." (Paul saying he was froward to remember the poor) (Remember means to not forget them.) (I know there are some Christians(?) who seem to have forgotten that)
norvman 1 year ago
For the benefit of the False profits amoung us allow me to qoute...
James 2:5-7
"Hear, my beloved brethren, Has not God chosen THE POOR OF THIS WORLD who are rich in faith, and heirs to the kingdom of God which he has promised to those that love him? But you have despised the poor. DO NOT RICH MEN OPPRESS YOU, and draw you before the judgment seats? Do not THEY BLASPHEME THAT WORTHY NAME by which you are called?"
Hope that helps Mr. Moore
norvman 1 year ago
@norvman
Rich in faith, not material possessions. Again you confuse spirituality with materialism.
maumaucommie 1 year ago
@maumaucommie
Interesting that you do not quote what your commenting on...
My point on quoting scriptures is simply this, Mr. Moore said Capitalism is Anti Christian and This is true if we interpret capitalism as defined by conservative thinking...
Matthew 25:
"When I was hungry did you feed me? When I was thirsty did you bring me drink? When I was a stranger did you take me in? When I was naked did you clothe me? When I was sick did you did you care for me?"
that's 'spiritual' faith bud
norvman 1 year ago
@BJJistheway Amen, brother.
ClarkKasheta 1 year ago
@ClarkKasheta @BJJistheway Well theres two anti-Christians
norvman 1 year ago
@BJJistheway Well I already know you missed one biblical qoute perhaps you would like to try again?
norvman 1 year ago
@BJJistheway LOL! crawl back in your hole pretend holyman... it's 2Thessaloians3:10 And if you read the book Thessalonians you quicly figure out that Paul did not Eat because he wished to demonstrate what a Good minister should be doing (like not accepting food from the poor) And that their were certain ones in that congregation who would rather 'busybody' than do any real work. I think their names were Rush Pimpball, Glen Speck, Shawn Handily, Cann Culture and Bill O'mighty)
norvman 1 year ago
@BJJistheway But Capitalism IS the "One World" Goverment it certainly is not Socialism, nor communisim, nor Islam nor Hindu nor ... etc...
Capitalism rules the world right now Capitan the world has never been United as it is right now under the rule of Capitalism.
And your saying little children who accept food are sinners??
And why was it that Christ fed 5000... how much work did they do for that?
And remember what you just said the next time someone offers to buy your lunch
norvman 1 year ago
@BJJistheway So Paul is advocating that the, Old, the children, the Envilid, don't have a right too eat?... no wonder people don't believe in the bible...
norvman 1 year ago
@Erh4bi Capitialism itself is not evil, but UNREGULATED state Capitalism is a different story.
CommanderSavage 1 year ago
Michael Moore is right, Jesus did preach spreading the wealth, i.e. socialism. I think it would be great if we all did it, but I still don't think the government should force us to do it.
heatbucspies55 1 year ago 11
@heatbucspies55
Socialism is not spreading wealth. It is stealing from one group to buy the votes of the other. Jesus did not believe stealing was good. Jesus did not want us to be forced to believe in him, he wanted us to come to him voluntarily. Government is made up of men, and men do not have the right to extort others, and if they do so, then they will end up like the Soviet Union ended up.
maumaucommie 1 year ago
@heatbucspies55 how else would it take place then
unfortunatebeam 1 year ago
@unfortunatebeam
The people who have money convert their funds into cash (dollar bills), they go out and either find people who they think need it, or give it to an organization that does it. Or they can hire people to do something for them and pay very high wages. It could work lots of ways, it's not too complicated.
heatbucspies55 1 year ago
@heatbucspies55
The people will become the Government.
AtheismCentral 6 months ago
@heatbucspies55 They shouldnt. But read acts chapter 4 verse 32. Socialism is christianity without God and the Holy Spirit. It only works if you add love for your neighbor and God into the equation
superdubman999 5 months ago
Jesus was a capitalist, so were the apostles, so were the saints throughout the ages, so is America, and so am I.
ClarkKasheta 1 year ago
@ClarkKasheta please, enlighten me with some scripture to back that statement up. Because, and maybe your are reading a different bible, but isn't christ the one who says, own nothing of your own? Give twice as much that is asked of you? Carry nothing extra? Take no thought for the morrow? Where is the greed in capitalism within Christ's teachings?
CultofAlexander 1 year ago
@ClarkKasheta You have NO proof that Jeasus was a capitalist except what the Greed pundits have told you. and If Jeasus was no capitalist then his apostles certainly were not. Nor the Saints. Unless you think they were opposed to Christ. Nor is it writen in the American Constitution that "we the Capitalist people of American" Now you on the other hand it seems are not only capitalist but also Anti-christian
norvman 1 year ago
@norvman You're pretty funny. Jesus says "let your light shine before men," and "you are the salt of the earth;" both sayings are affirmations for people with strong character and the desire to succeed. While monetary gain is not always the sign of success, it certainly can be; and, in a free society, all men should be rewarded for their talents. He also said "don't bury your talent." And remember, those who used their talents wisely, received rich material reward. Jesus was a capitalist.
ClarkKasheta 1 year ago
@ClarkKasheta
Lots of 'fine' Ideas you have there Clark me boy but they are not YVHVs Ideas...
If your are a 'servant' of God then you are not a "Freeman" and you do not belong to a "Free society" and there for you do not have a "Freemarket" because all that you do and produce belongs first and foremost to God First and not you to choose what you will and will not do with it...
NO God is no capitalist
Matthew 6:24
Haggai 2:8
norvman 1 year ago
@norvman First of all, I have no idea what YVHV is. Secondly, here is my argument that refutes yours: God is freedom. God is also benevolent. A person who is a servant of God also partakes in God. To partake in God is to partake in freedom. To partake in freedom is to partake in God's benevolence. Hence, he who serves God is free and blessed.
ClarkKasheta 1 year ago
@ClarkKasheta Yes it's pretty obvious that you don't know who God is or else you would have corrected my mis-spelling of YHVH. Secondly The Truth sets you free not God... but the truth is that God is our creator and therefore our Father and as 'his' children we are forever his servants. You cannot partake in God without being obedient to him. That is what a Disciple is, One who is obedient to the commands of another. Perhaps you should go back and read your scriptures some more little one.
norvman 1 year ago
@norvman "Little one - " your arrogance is putrid. All of a sudden, you're a teacher. You're very similar to Satan, in the pride category.
ClarkKasheta 1 year ago
@ClarkKasheta Everyone is a teacher to the un-learned... The Pharacees thought Christ was pretty Arrogant too. The putrid thing is the Teaching of Satanic thoughts as if it was Christianity... To take Gods word and twist it to what you want it to say is to Take Gods name in vain. To Say that God has said something that he has not at all said is to commit the unforgiveable sin. Because you not only turn yourself from God but others as well. I would hope you would concider what your doing.
norvman 1 year ago
@norvman
You are so silly and entertaining like Mr. Moore.
maumaucommie 1 year ago
@maumaucommie
Yes simple minds are easily amused
norvman 1 year ago
@norvman
God was not capitalist in the old days as there was no capitalism. Capitalism grew from breaking the bonds of slavery from kings and dictators. If Jesus was alive today, he would embrace free enterprise, as he would not want people sitting around getting fat on welfare.
maumaucommie 1 year ago
@maumaucommie
No they were more honest back then they just called it greed... Mamon... the worship of money over the greater good of human beings
norvman 1 year ago
@BJJistheway but the thory would be that the government would provied everyone with a job and then they would work and they do eat... the system we have now is that evern if u do work u might not eat... the mum with a low paying job who cant feed her or her kids is an exasample
SuperLolpants 1 year ago
@BJJistheway Negatory. To say that your life belongs to others or serving others is a moral duty, but you ought to be free to act as you wish is a contradiction. A good servant has to accept, not oppose the commands of his master (anyone with "need.") Capitalism is the system of man's values, not of God.
Face it. Moore is right here. (Although actually I should have better phrased that to say that "Christianity is anti-capitalism" to be more accurate, instead of the other way around.)
Koutetsu 1 year ago
@Erh4bi
Yes that was exactly what I meant, state terrorism!
And the "symptoms" you are referring to are a result of Statism and Corporatism, not Capitalism!
SonOfTanit 1 year ago
@Erh4bi
How is sweat-shops and terrorism a result of Capitalism?
Do you even know what the word means?
SonOfTanit 1 year ago
Capitalism is anti-Christian. Good going Michael Moore.
KittenButter 1 year ago
What good is wealth? What joy is it to have something so vaulable just to know it can be taken away? But love and peace abide forever eternally
TylerMaple3009 1 year ago
I choose capitalism over Christianity, or any other religion, any day!
SonOfTanit 1 year ago
Boner tiem!
tpsisokayiguess 1 year ago
moore is an idiot. i always get a great laugh watching him. he needs to croak over.
gt08231 1 year ago
A famous passage which Christians interpret as a denunciation of wealth is Mark 10:21 when Jesus tells a disciple to give away his possessions and to follow him. This is not meant for all Christians, but for those who have an unhealthy obsession with wealth that prevents them from accepting God.
The accumulation of wealth in itself is not an evil thing. In fact, it requires virtues such as prudence and diligence. After all, how can you fight poverty in a society that considers prosperity a sin?
dangreinke 1 year ago
Capitalism is not anti-jewish..
FreeDogdylan 1 year ago
@FreeDogdylan
Hahahaha!
c2sk8er 1 year ago
Jesus was also a total passivist ( to all you gun owners) He also said not to sue people. He wanted everyone to give there stuff away. Try running a business with that philosphy
Let the cherry picking start.
InFromTheVoid 1 year ago
Recently Yaron Brook debated someone on this very issue. SInce religion supports altruism and collectivism. Which conflict with capitalism. Besides Jesus was against loaning money at interest. A must in a capitalist society.
InFromTheVoid 1 year ago
I can't stand this dude, yet he is totally right about this. ANyone who has red the NT knows that it is not compatible with capitalism. It has more in common with communism. And there were/are Christian communist folks. (Acts 2) They may not share all the same premises as Marx, but they share the same conclusion. As well as Christian socialists (Tony Blair, Gordon Brown) I would even say that it supports a type facsism after reading Romans 13...look it up.
InFromTheVoid 1 year ago
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evman51 2 years ago
What the hell does this fat ass know about christianity? Apparently nothing..
MasterFhyl 2 years ago
Moores a moron, and this interviewer lets him off the hook. Instead of calling for the prosecution of "individuals" who exploit systems (his buddies), he diverts your attention to the "evils of capitalism". Where have we heard that bullshit before. Lets see...Plank 1 destroy God, Plank 2 the violent overthrow of private property ownership (capitalism). Moore must think he's the only one whose read Karl Marx, which makes him an all time favorite pimple on society. WYFU people...
dloloa 2 years ago
he's so full of shit. I LOVE him!
um.. how many republicans AREN"T religious here? come on. someone show a hand!
why does anyone have to believe in an invisible man in the sky in order to be moral or ethical? all actions have consequences. you learn that. but not always by some scary book. our elders can teach us, just like their elders taught them just like their elders taught them and so on...and life itself. but the same old religions stick to us like gum in our hair. why?
wow.
smellyfooty 2 years ago
I'm not very religious, but I have many conservative views. There's a better form of capitalism. What we have started off as industrial capitalism, but now it is simply interest capitalism for guys like Soros on the top of the banking system making currency bets and so forth. Those same people want the non-elite to only make a certain amount of $ while they take it all. The U.S. has opened it's arms to the world too wide, heart-warming and all, but we have a very dark future ahead as a result.
Capitalist09 1 year ago
so are the number of stories in the bible where jesus tells you to be selfish = to the number where he states that the poor are the holiest of us all and that giving onto others is one of the most important christian principles? if so maybe i missread it >.> i was under the impression that regardless of means spreading the wealth is central to christian thought and ideals... or maybe its just that people just pick and choose out of the bible... (abortion, anti-gay ect...)
dinndrako 2 years ago
How about the Bible story three guys get money, one hides under basket, one makes more and one makes lots more?
bohemianh 2 years ago
But what is he supposed to do with the money? keep it for himslef? Its always good to try to understand Scripture through the context of the whole Bible.
gre3w 2 years ago
That story is an allegory. What Jesus means there is that you should use your gifts and talents for a greater good. And none of money making guys in the story use money at the cost of another person, which is the case in capitalism.
vanotterloo 2 years ago
I think for him to call Capitalism anti-Christian is a mistake on many levels. Yes, he included all the other religions briefly, but nobody is going to focus on that concept. All they will hear is the sound bite. I can tell from the comments below that as usual- most people are morons who refuse to fill in the blanks (when they damn well know what the man is trying to say) but it's a lot more fun to just call him a fat SOB and a rich hyporite prick than it is to debate the actual message.
mydogjesus 2 years ago
probably because he *is* a fat SOB rich hypocrite prick.
MasterFhyl 2 years ago
@mydogjesus I knowe americans read the anty-christ-bible and worship the antychrist however :
Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."
Matthew 19:21
The rich man and the needle , wealthy man gos to hell for being wealthy while the poor go to heavone , jesus instructs his disciple to abandon their homes and wealth , jesus atacks bankers for lending money in the temple.
PerfektBlue 1 year ago
Capitalism is absolutely anti-Christian as it is against the altruist-collectivist morality that Judeo-Christianity holds. The teachings of Christ demand self-denial and self-sacrifice and is totally anti-individual and anti-egoist.
Glad we could get that straight.
Let's also get the other facts straight: this isn't a "form of Capitalism," this is a mixed economy that has some freedoms vs some controls. Moore wants more controls because he hates freedom and loves being a slave.
Koutetsu 2 years ago 16
"Capitalism is absolutely anti-Christian as it is against the altruist-collectivist morality that Judeo-Christianity holds. The teachings of Christ demand self-denial and self-sacrifice and is totally anti-individual and anti-egoist."
Absolutely right. Thank you!
ooagentmm 2 years ago
@Koutetsu
i do not believe that Jesus would mandate sharing of material things. He spoke of spiritual poverty but material poverty is not of his world.
maumaucommie 1 year ago
@Koutetsu Ok so when your children get lead poisoning because McD's wanted to get ahold of cheaper happy meal toys then don't complain about a damn thing because you yourself wanted less government intervention... You're a tool, you need to realize that the actions of some have terrible concequences on others (no matter the intentions), and we have to use government to stop it. Instead of just abolishing it like you wish we could do... You're bad for America just as you think Moore is... idiot
caucasianjake 1 year ago
@caucasianjake Capitalism is based on the moral right of each person to his own life, body, and property. Any infringement on these rights is subject to lawful prosecution in accordance with the principles of strict liability. In a free economy, sellers of adulterated products are liable for fraud and injuring the buyer's body. The legal code of the free society prohibits all invasions of persons and property, including poisoning one's customers.
Koutetsu 1 year ago
@caucasianjake Your objection is based on the simplistic fantasy the private sector wants to kill you. Businesses exist simply to kill all of their customers. Be thankful that our beneficent social engineers with their armies of bureaucrats and arbitrary interventions are there to keep them in line.
Koutetsu 1 year ago
@Koutetsu I've never heard such a doublespeak comment in my life. Capitalism in its pure form is absolute freedom and prosperity. God wants us to live happy abundant lives and Capitalism when its not invaded and corrupted like it is these days allows you to do whatever it takes to pursue your full measure of happiness and there's nothing sinful or anti-christian about it.
conraddoavil 5 months ago
Moore is right - capitalism is anti-Christian. That's what makes it good.
anti0918 2 years ago
LOL
saltycreefer 2 years ago
how many facts did you want him to fit into a 1min clip? Capitalism unfiltered does not protect every man so much as it defends the most able of mens rights to hoard wealth. Capitalism has its place but it's most definitely anti-Christian because it has become its own religion and God says not to worship false gods or put any other god before him. I'm not Christian or anti-capitalism but don't accuse the guy of being an ass and then not support that statement with facts of your own.
Quadfatherc4 2 years ago
I agree in a sense Wall Street and heath care companies don't care about the people which end up losing. Capitalism in a sense says do what you want, make your millions, and if you screw up, you made your millions. I cannot tell you how many people lost their life savings when Wall Street crashed.
carnivalpride 2 years ago
As usual, Michael Moore misses numerous facts, and he looks like an ass again. But I must say, he's entertaining.
MidNightRider2001 2 years ago 2