PART 3: Glenn Beck: George Soros' New World Order Exposed, 11-8-2010 DAY 1.flv

[TheJaysrock1]

I thank you for posting this video , it is good to know that some people do believe Glenn as I do. I listen to his show every day, again thanks.

[jimbobanalbeats]

Ok, I just noticed that you sent me 13 messages. I'm not sure where to begin.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats It's because you bombarded me with a bunch. And because of your very personal insults, you're now banned.

[jimbobanalbeats]

Yeah cause america is working so well Beck. Transformation is a terrible idea.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats Yeah, and all progressives believe all change is good too. For your naive information, the United States is the greatest Country in the history of the World, warts and all. Nothing is perfect, but most Americans don't want to "transform" into an inferior and proven failure of a system. We're not interested in obama's socialist New World Order. PASS!

[jimbobanalbeats]

Conspiracy theories aside, the idea that all of the possible systems in the spectrum of possibility have been attempted is flat out wrong. I am hardly naive, think what you want. The idea of going back in time to a system that was absolutely controlled by the business elites is just as horrifying to me as a system of absolute goverment control. The people should have control, nobody else. That has never been done in western civilization. The choices being offered to us are both harmful.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats I want to be in charge of my own destiny. I believe in limited government, that it should only do for us what we can't do for ourselves. You're asking for a totalitarian system. Ask all the Cubans who fled Castro why they wanted to come to the U.S. And I stand by my statement that all forms of Government have been tried before. Ours is the best, if we can hang onto it.

[jimbobanalbeats]

Read my comment dude. I said I want the exact opposite of a totalitarian system. Calm down. No, all forms have not been tried. Has everything been discovered and invented? That is a profoundly idiotic and shortsighted statement. Ours is not the best anymore. If it was we wouldn't be getting poorer while a small few get richer. Our nation is failing. The system obviously isn't working anymore, for whatever reason. If you think times were dandy in the 1800s, do some reading. It wasn't.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats My point is that if we return to the Constitution, and limited Gov't we'll be fine. We have to get rid of all the big Federal Government politicians in Washington. We need to rely on Free Market principals and Capitalism. Crony Capitalism (Business and Government in bed together) is perverted; true Capitalism works.

[jimbobanalbeats]

I don't know if you've noticed, but big conglomerate business is out to fuck us just as hard as the government is. The amount of wealth concentrated in the top 10% of the nation is more than the bottom 50% combined. All this while wages have been stagnant for the last 20 years. It's a collusion of monopolistic business and over sized government. Going back to the constitution would actually remove what few protections we do have from this sociological transition which will destroy America.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats That's what I was referring to as "Crony Capitalism." We need to get rid of UNIONS, and politicians in the pockets of big government. GE comes to mind in the current Administration. The Rockefellers are the worst example of business gone bad. Sure we have problems, but I don't agree with anything obama or Soros wants.

[jimbobanalbeats]

I understand what you mean, and I would not agree with the direction that any mainstream politician or media pundit would have us go in. Nonetheless, if government had less power, business would have more. It is a incredibly complicated issue. We could potentially have work conditions akin to Chinese factories without regulations. Would we have more economic growth? Possibly, but the outcome would likely be an escalation of what is occurring today. A transfer of the wealth to the richest.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats I don't believe that's true. Where are they getting their "power" from? UNIONS have a lot of power, because it's given to them by the politicians. I believe in the free market, which means that businesses have the right to fail or succeed, upon their merit, and the market, not the government.

[jimbobanalbeats]

I'm 26 years old. I'm going to be in this country for awhile to come. I hope to god that what you are talking about does not come to pass. I would like for my children to have a future that doesn't involve abject poverty. Businesses do fail and succeed. Every day. The largest and the strongest wipe the more numerous small, family owned businesses out every day. Eliminating regulations would not suddenly dismantle the largest and most powerful. Wishful thinking, but it's just not true.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats For a 26 year old, I must give KUDOS. I was no where as educated about politics as you are, but we still have some fundamental differences of opinion. Where did you come from? The Bailouts have not done the Market any favors. We should have let GM go into bankruptcy and let them recover on their own. Same with the Banks, and S&L's. Bush tried to rein in Fannie and Freddie, but the Democratic Congress lead by Barney Frank said they were "Fine" and he wanted to "roll the dice."

[fab4bear]

@fab4bear Even now, Barney Frank nor the progressive Democrats or obama REFUSE to accept any responsibility for the debacle. It was the Community Reinvestment Act that put pressure on the Banks to give these loans to "poor black people" that caused the foreclosure collapse. Fannie & Freddie bought the mortgages from the Banks and S&L, and Barney Frank knew what was going on.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats I want to roll back as many regulations as I can, not to cripple Big Business, but to reduce the size of Government which will reestablish personal responsibility, and freedoms. I recognize there's a lot of work to do. I would get rid of the E.P.A. altogether and start over with a sensible approach, it's been so perverted that it's got a death-grip on us. And I would eliminate the Department of Education, and return it to the States. It's been a horrible experiment.

[fab4bear]

@fab4bear The Department of Education was created in 1978 under Jimmy Carter, the 2nd worst President in History (obama is the worst, IMHO). Bush doubled the size of the DoE, and SHAME ON HIM. His "No child left behind" is a huge crock of shit. We need to realize that not everyone is cut out, nor wants an education. That's why they make french fries. Discipline needs to be put back in our schools. Disruptive kids need to be expelled so serious students can get on with the business of learning.

[jimbobanalbeats]

And if you honestly believe that unions have more power than a multinational oil, arms, pharmaceutical, or chemical company, than you are out of your mind. The unions will continue to disintegrate as they have been for the last 30 years. No need to fear them. They are a temporary phenomenon as our corporate overlords will gradually dismantle workers rights under your frightening conceptualization of a free society. Yeah, free to have as much power over you as they feel like taking.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats You are ignoring the fact that socialism is built on Unionized Labor. That kind of power is one I don't want to grant. Andy Stern (S.E.I.U.) and Richard Trumka (AFL/CIA) are very dangerous men. Both are socialist/marxist and believe in "at any cost." If you don't think Unions are dangerous, you need to investigate that. They are getting stronger, and with obama's and the progressives help and support, even more so. You're focusing too much on private Corp.

[jimbobanalbeats]

With or without the government's preventative or enabling measures. Think about what you're saying. Not everything Glenn Beck says is the gospel, although he does periodically make good points.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats Say what you will about Glenn. I hear the truth from him, where NO ONE else is willing to tell it like it is. I learn things from him that nobody else is uncovering. He doesn't lie, if he says something and discovers later it was not true, he sets the record straight (2 times in the last 2 years, both minor). I have disagreed with him on a few occasions, but nothing of consequence. To say he "periodically makes good points" is hardly true.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats Big Business and Big Government have been in bed with each other for a long time, and I agree it's not serving the Citizenry well, nor the Country. We need to find a way to end this. One of the things we did to permit this was the passage of the 17th Amendment. We need to repeal it so we can give back some power to the States. Choosing the Senators by the States' Congresses was a check-and-balance. Term Limits is another necessity, we need to end career politicians.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats Wages have hardly been stagnant. The wages of the Federal Government workers has gone up to the point that they are 50% higher than comparable jobs in the private market, and UNION wages continue to go up at a much higher rate. Non-Union private sector jobs are the only ones who have acted responsibly. I went through 9 years of a "salary freeze" where I didn't even get 1¢ raise. And still, I have to pay for Federal Government employees to get big raises automatically, not merit.

[jimbobanalbeats]

I understand your perspective, but it is based on a myth. It was only after WWII that a sizeable middle class developed. Government became more involved at that point, as you know. Prior to world war II the size of the middle class was comparable to a third world country today. Even Thomas Jefferson understood and stated that the constitution was for his times and should be re written every generation as the world changed. Constitutional fundamentalism is a recipe for Oligarchy.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats I dont' see how the growth of the middle class has anything to do with your argument, and I don't agree with your "Constitutional fundamentalism is a recipe for Oligarchy" It just doesn't make any sense at all. We just disagree. Tell me what you think of Soros?

[jimbobanalbeats]

The greatness of our nation is our middle class. Prior to it's existence there were the rich and the poor. Ideological faux patriots paint it otherwise in their pleasant mythology, but that's how it was. The growth of the middle class is the foundation of what makes us great. No middle class=third world/developing nation. At this point in our nations economic structure, returning to a fundamentalist constitutional system would eliminate all regulation and all protection for workers. 

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats I don't believe the Constitution is a "living document." It should be interpreted as written, and there are plenty of sources to qualify that, starting with the Federalist Papers. There is a way to "re-write" the Constitution, and it's the Amendment process, which was deliberately constructed to be difficult to do. The Framers didn't want the Constitution to be easily changed, so as not to waiver with public opinion. As to an Oligarchy, that's how obama sees his Administration.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats Explain how you think "my perspective" is a "myth?" That's offensive to me.

[jimbobanalbeats]

Businesses are infinitely more powerful now than they were in those times. It could be argued that the largest corporations, which have larger GDP's then many country's, collectively have more power than our government. The idea of no regulations on that kind of power frightens me just as much as a totalitarian government regime. We need neither. No minority should have have absolute control over the majority. I think you can agree with me on that.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats The danger is when the Government (politicians) get in bed with business, backroom deals made, etc. I believe in minimal regulations. We have much too government regulation, to the point it's absurd.

[jimbobanalbeats]

Why do you think that regulations are inherently bad? Many of those regulations protect our water, our air, worker's rights and safety. Without those things we are a third world nation. That is how China is. Business does whatever it wants without regulation. Businesses today are epic monolithic monopolies. They have more power than more nations already. No rules to protect the average person from them? It's past the point where that would work, if it ever would have.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats Regulations are written and implemented by people who are appointed to their positions, and have no responsibility to Congress. obama has strategically placed as many radical revolutionary socialists and communists into positions of power and are currently writing laws (regulations) that are adversely affecting everyone. Cass Sunstein, one example.

[fab4bear]

@jimbobanalbeats We still have the highest standard of living of any Country on Earth, if we can hold onto it. obama wants to destroy the middle class. He believes the USA gained it's wealth on the backs of the rest of the World, and he thinks we need to give it back through redistribution of wealth through his Cap & Trade program. It has NOTHING to do with "global warming." That is a SCAM. Global warming is a natural cycle, not man-made,

[fab4bear]

@fab4bear Even if we were to eliminate ALL "carbon emissions" it would only have an effect of reducing carbon by .01% in 100 years. It's ABSURD to even discuss it, much less seriously contemplating enacting it. CHINA & INDIA are the worst offenders, and have said they are NOT going to do anything about it. Cap & Trade is a scheme for Al Gore and Soros and others to get wealthy and send our money to 3rd World Countries. obama is anti-Colonialist. He blames the UK for his Father's death.