as stated several other times the 357 is coming out of a carbine barrel ..... which gives that large bullet even more of a chance to burn all of the powder behind it allowing it to reach max velocity .... neat test though
these test results are non conclusive. NUMEROUS FACTORS APPLY!... this test put plane and simple is a FUCKING JOKE!....... VIEWERS BEWARE!!!... dont waste your time....... BALLISTICS IS MORE THEN JUST BARS OF SOAP!!!!!... i am no fan boy i am just stating the obvious
.it don't matter you going to die when you get shot with anything ! Hospitals and ambulances do take down the risk but out in the middle of nowhere you going to die
The .357 is better at longer distances because the faster speed of that round makes it more accurate at longer distances resulting in increased chances of hitting a target further away because there is less drop than you would have with a .45 ACP. But if your well versed with the .45 ACP you know how to compensate for any drop.
If the .357 is from a carbine as stated by the OP then this "test" is totally inaccurate! The high pressures realized in the longer barrel completely throw this "test" off. Besides the .45 with a bigger mass and slower speed transfers more energy into the object being shot resulting in more trauma and shock.resulting in a faster rate of incapacitation.
@MrSimonGirty I have an 8" pistol, DW makes 15" barrels for my particular model.. Or use to. I would say that every extra inch gives you 25ft per second more. .357 is badder.
I see a lot of misconception on what a bullet does to actually KILL someone, so let me break it down for ya:
- .45 ACP will KILL someone with one shot 85-90% of the time (i dunno where you got your 50% survival rating lmao)..and thats from a coroners report that Id have to dig up, no pun intended.
The deciding factor is the bullets wound channel aka the crushing/tearing as it penetrates &leaves a cavity...different specifications of rounds (JHP, FMJ, +p) as well as special SD rounds react very diff. depending on the surface being hit.
.357 penetrates obstacles really well, however a +p .45 round does too! so do your research instead of whining and pick the right round for your setup & your purpose! Bullets are ALL designed to kill. It doesnt have to be flying at Mach 3 to get the job done
Yes, you guys are right the .45 has more knock down power, thats what this test shows, but the .357 magnum has stopping power. there is a difference in knocking someone on there ass for the ambulance to come and then stopping someone dead in there tracks to wait for the undertaker to come. you have a large .45 moving slow as hell, then you have a .357 thats not too small or larger with a very explosive blast behind it to make it haul ass and mushrooms hard to get expansion and fragment.
@1MudDobber2 dude a .45 does not knock someone on there ass, its a pistol!!! A shotgun would not even knock someone on there ass stop watching movies. For a gun to knock someone on their ass it would have to knock you down with the recoil as well. Its physics. What you guys are getting confused with is a guy FALLING DOWN after a bad wound. Kind of like when you stabb somone with a big enough knife and they fall down, after you pull it out. The bullet itself does not knock you down.
@1MudDobber2 Either round will kill you if it hits something vital, and neither will kill you if they don't. It's very simple, the bullet needs to penetrate deep enough to destroy something you can't live without. Once again, caliber isn't nearly as important as shot placement
@grizz474 Hydrostatic shock not a heart shot., if it only took a .22LR to kill a person they wouldnt have came out with the .357 magnum or .44 magnum. but yes, a shot from a .22 to the brain stem would kill a person, but good luck with a shot like that, 357 magnum will kill you with a gut shot, Dr. dont have a good chance at fixing that mess of bloody goop.
@1MudDobber2 Handgun rounds (with a few exceptions) have no hydrostatic value on flesh, but can have shock value. Humans are very elastic, there's little if any damage done outside the path of a handgun bullet. The exceptions might be the large cal magnums. But most folks don't carry magnums for self defense, so the common self defense bullet needs to contact something to damage nerves or cause a loss of blood pressure to kill, but even if thug doesn't die the "shock" of being shot may detour.
@grizz474 I understand your point, but Jerome Ersland used a .380..thats what got him trouble, first shots didnt kill him he had to go get another gun. In my opinion, had he used a 357 mag even fired a bond arms shot barrel derringer 2 shots would have killed him..wouldnt been no other gun. Not trying to really argue of make someone angry, but I have alot of handguns in everything from .32 to a .44 mag, but for carry I take my bond arms .357 magnum 2 shots of 125 grain Golden Saber.
@Ls7colorado I totally agree the 357 is superior in that way but Wat I'm saying is the 45 was designed to be a very powerful round and it pisses me off wen people say the 357 will shoot circles around the 45 cause it won't and I stll believe the 45 has more knock down power.
I don't know what the purpose of this video is? All need to be launched at a controlled distance out of a similar platform (say a 4" barrel pistol). Water jug testing is better and it's said a ..357 will over-penetrate.
@2142Unkown. If one more stupid freakin lame retarded idiotic moron says that stoppin power is not important or watever shit u said i wll fuckin SCREAM!!!!!!! the fuckin 45 has more power in some way cause every video i have seen the 45 blows up waterver there shootin and the mag dosent do half the damage the 45 does so wat the fuk ever about stopin power but the 45 is more powerfl in sum damn way!!!!!!!!!!!!
@CarlsonsRaidersUSMC just think of someone behind a car door, or a brick wall... You want the bullet to go through the wall or door without loosing to much force and still be able to stop your target right? Your 45 might put a larger hole in the wall/door but will also slow down faster once it hits it and will run out of velocity faster. I will transmit more POWER to a single target but will not penatrate as much.
@SupremeAmerican dude the 45 has more stopping power than the 357. The lead for the mag is barley bigger than the 9mm. again the mag may be more pwerful but the 45 has much more stopin power because that is exactly wt it was made 4 -:(
@CarlsonsRaidersUSMC LOL the .45acp is no were near as powerful as the .357magnum.
Check ballistics and stop basing stopping power on unrelavent things like "the lead for the mag" Learn physics and stop applying only your sense of vision to logic. DA 45 LEAD LOOK BIGGER SO MUST HAVE MORE STOPPINGZ POWERZ. You make gun owners look stupid.
@snowmagsx1100 the 357 may be more powerful but the bullet will go straight throu u. A 45 will hit u and knock u on your ass so the 357 mag may have the most power but the 45 has the most STOPPING POWER!!!!
hey the 357 is hands down the most powerful of the 3 you mention,,,the 357 magnum has probabl;y twice the power a 45 acp or 40 caliber has,,no comparison and the 357 is one of the greatest calibers ever developed.
actually the .357 magnum has the best track record as far as stopping power go's, with some rounds reaching a 97% chance of a one shot stop, .45 acp is a close second though
357 SIG is less powerful than the 357 Magnum. The SIG is about 100 to 150 fps slower, and the exposed pure lead tip on revolver rounds has an extremely explosive effect as clearly shown in this test.
My test results have been about the same as the tests shown here.
Excellent idea to use soap bars as a visual reference of bullet expansion.
The 357 SIG is a good round, although ballistically it is a 38 Super +P or a 9 X 23 Winchester.
Don't blind yourself to revolvers, as they possess many advantages.
I have carried a Colt Commander 45, a Colt 1991A1 38 Super, a Springfield XD 357 SIG, and a S & W 66 357. Kept ONLY the S & W 66 357 Mag.
The K-frame S&W is easier to conceal, totally reliable, shoots rings around the auto pistols accuracy-wise, and handles any 38/357 bullet weight, shape or power level without a hiccup.
i know i know that is your opinion, but personally i like revolvers because 1. they look better, 2. less likely to jam, and 3. they usually shoot bigger rounds :)
@coltperc The .357 Sig rounds from COR-BON have a velocity of around 1450 ft.per second and energy figures around or above any 125 gr. .357 Mag load all from a barrel half the length of a standard 6" test .357 Mag revolver.
@TheGunslinger5854 125 gr 357 Mags chronograph 1450fps from a 4-inch revolver; from a 6-inch revolver velocity will approach 1550 fps. 357 Mag 125 gr handloads, well within safe pressure limits, will exceed 1700 fps from a 6 inch revolver. The 357 Sig cartridge is not capable of those ballistics.
Polymer-framed auto pistols most definitely would not survive long with such powerful loads. An "L" or "N" frame S&W revolver will handle such powerful loads with ease.
@coltperc Even though slightly slower than the .357 Mag, recoil is more manageable,followup shots are at least as fast or marginally faster. I feel comfortable with either a SIG or my old Colt Trooper but have to give the edge to the SIG with its much higher capacity. In all fairness I will say most of my handguns are revolvers in most calibers available but the largest segment of them are .357 Mags and .44 Mag. I do find the SIG a little easier to conceal in warm weather with an IWB holster.
@TheGunslinger5854 Agree with manageable recoil being an important factor in a CCW weapon. My primary personal carry gun is now a S&W 66 4-inch, loaded with 38 Special +P 158 gr LSWC-HP's at 900fps (Win or Rem), that perform practically as well as the 357 Mag 125 gr JHP at 1450fps, with MUCH less blast and recoil. Lead HP's are superb performers at moderate velocities.
The S&W 66 retired a Colt Commander and a Springfield XD 357 SIG for me. The 66 hides & carries easier & never fails.
@coltperc 357 mag 1450fps 125gr 584 ft lbs vs 38+p 158gr 900fps 284ft.lbs how is that even close to to performing the same that a 300ft lbs difference
@jessieharris1221 Fire a 125gr FMJ 357 into a series of water jugs, and you will be surprised at how little damage it does. Fire a 125gr JHP 357 into a series of water jugs and the first jug will be blown wide open. Both loads have the same power, but it is the JHP that effectively delivers that power. A lead HP is more effective than a JHP. Also, momentum is a more accurate gauge of bullet impact than kinetic energy; The 38-158@900 = 80% momentum of 357-125@1450, & has a lead HP.
@coltperc Some lead HPs will perform as well as most JHPs but the edge must surely go to Federals extremely effective Hydra-Shock JHP! This round expands and dumps all kinetic anergy much faster than any lead HP. Usually within the first 4 to 5 inches of penetration. The .357 rounds will still usually exit the body but at a much slower speed. Very very few .357 rounds will not exit a human under normal circumstances, there is just too much speed involved.
@gunslinger5854 My water impact tests show the lead HP to be a superior performer to fully jacketed HP's at a given velocity, with immediate expansion on impact. Revolver JHP's having exposed lead tips however do perform almost as well as the lead HP.
The lead HP's great anti-personnel performance comes at a price, though, Lead soft enough to expand well (BHN 10-12) is limited to handgun velocity range of 900-1100 fps, and bullets that soft will also expand when impacting a barrier.
@BigAgitator It's rare, but I have had the hollow-point nose blow off on lead HP's, when pushed at higher velocities than designed for. Actually, it is the JHP's that tend to shed weight normally, as jackets peel off on impact. Newer JHP's wtth bonded cores and solid copper HP's of course will not shed jackets, but petals can break off the nose if the bullets are pushed faster than design.
HP bullets, JHP's or lead, are a performance compromise at best & can't work in all situations.
Cont: My preference in a handgun that needs to work across the board in a multitude of terminal impact situations, is a 45 Colt, loaded with 250 grain SWC's, cast in Lyman #2 (15 BHN) loaded to roughly 1000-1100 fps. Such a load can kill a large aniimal or drop a man in his tracks. The only real problem with that load is that the heavy bullet can easily punch through a wall and kill another person, after killing the bad guy. Otherwise it is superior to 9mm /357 JHP's in all impact scenarios!
@jessieharris1221 No argument there!! The .357 is my caliber of choice just for that fact. I do however prefer the 158 gr. Hydra-Shock round for personal up close encounters. These rounds still expand even after going through fairly heavy clothing. Heavier bullets with a little horsepower behind them make for a deadly combination.
@coltperc i will do a comparison video of a 158gr sierra jhc lead tip at 900fps 38 spl and 125xtp at 1400-1450fps 357 mag as soon as it quits raining and show you that a jhp at 1400fps is a lot better than a lead hp at 900fps
@coltperc i will do a comparison video of a 158gr sierra jhc lead tip at 900fps 38 spl and 125xtp at 1400-1450fps 357 mag as soon as it quits raining and show you that a jhp at 1400fps is a lot better than a lead hp at 900fps. now i will agree that a lead hp is better than a jhp at the same vel. because my carry load is a sierra 158gr jhc with a lead tip instead of the 125gr xtp jhp
@jessieharris1221 Get a box of Remington 38+P 158 gr LSWC-HP and shoot it side-by-side with your 125 gr JHP's at 1400 fps. The Remington load is a true lead bullet and will outperform the Sierra JHC 158 gr lead tip. Winchester 38+P 158gr LSWC-HP is just as good.
A S&W 686 loaded with the Winchester load is the tool that ended the Miami FBI fight in 1986 after multiple-hit-failures-to-stop by 9mm JHP's allowed the 2 criminals to kill 2 FBI agents and wound 3 others in a prolonged gunfight.
@coltperc how about this i will do one big comparison your remington 38+p 158gr Lswc-hp, my reloaded 158gr sierra jhc 38+p,and 125gr xtp jhp 357 mag. do you have any other suggestions. im up to the challange. i will be shooting through wet paperback books. it will test penatration and you will be able to see the hole size (cavitation) it will take a few day to do it but i will post it on my channel. i'm glad about this discussion it gives me something to do :)
@TheGunslinger5854 i have a ruger sp101 3" 125gr xtp that chrono's 1450 check out my video and a 357sig with a 125gr corbon is 1375fps check out gunsandammomag
Maybe you all should re-watch the video. If you were a surgeon you'd have a pretty fair chance of repairing the damage done to the ones shot with the .45 acp and 40s&w. Stoped in their tracks, no dount about it. Dead from one shot, about 45% chance. But as far as repairing the damage done by the 357, well my friends that one was dead on arival. Survivors from one shot from a 357, about 25% chance. Imagine any part of your body obliterated like the first 2 bars of soap on the 357. Not repairable.
@bcoverss Thanks doc... However, I am surprised you would say that, when you know as a surgeon that live flesh will "expand" and "contract" with the application of energy. These bars of soap do a good job of comparing the energy output of the round. But the survivability differential between the 3 rounds if far lower than this "test" would have you think. It would of been nice if they had stopped moving the camera around and took measurements...
@bcoverss the .357 was out of a carbine, meaning at least a 16" barrel.... the .45 and .40 were our of pistols, probably 3"-5" barrels... thats a huge difference in velocity. Put the .357 out of a snubbie and see what the difference is.
I would take a .45 over a .40 myself, and I see what you are saying. However, you must agree that comparing the three is like comparing a 22 mag, 223, and a 30-06. The ..357 Mag shouldn't even be in the same sentence.
I hear ya, I have a 1911 45 and a .357 Magnum. However, when I saw the Police Bullet Tests on a Vehicle shooting inside and outside I would consider a 40 it gets the job done very well indeed. I would not buy or use a 9mm for any reason period based on real life and Police Tests.
Yeah, the 40 caliber is also a very effective caliber. My friend works for the Milwaukee police department and has two glock 9mms. (Cant remember which models). I always wondered why he didnt go with a 40 or 45, I certainly would have if I was in that line of work.
You can think of the .45 like more lead less velocity. And the .357 magnum like less lead more velocity. The .45 moved the box because it didn't penetrate as well as the .357 and the .40 is somewhat in the middle of the two.
Well said indeed. I carry .357 magnum. 45 Proven as well. 40 is a compromise. .357 will go through any part of a car and kill. 45 will knock you down and kill you but cannot do that trough any part of a car. 40 seems to get both done which is why Law Enforcement went to the 40. .357 Magnum can over penatrate (problem) 45 cannot save your ass with car. (Problem) 40 seems to do both well. I just go with .357 because UNDER STRESS it works in a revolver.
This is bullshit, a .45 will punch right through a car door. They just had a show on the military channel that showed .45 rounds from a sub machine gun going through a car door & into a BOB
Yea, and that was with a RIFLE BARREL that brings it almost to .357 speed from longer burn. The Tommy Gun was 45 with a 14.5 inch barrel and it could cut a car almost in half. That is NOT A HANDGUN.
MP-5 Sub machine gun is 9mm but with the 14 inch barrel it gets to .357 Magnum SPEED.
Do not compare apples to oranges and you cannot carry a MACHINE GUN in the streets OK.
Thank you! People often forget to take barrel length into consideration. The length of the barrel makes a huge difference in ballistics, and you can't compare rifles to handguns. It's not even like comparing apples to oranges ... but more like comparing apples to freight trains.
He was talking about the Kriss SMG, it does not use a 14.5" rifle barrel, it uses a 5.5" SMG barrel and it managed to punch through the car door and out the other side with ease. yes the barrel is longer then pistols but by only half an inch. It is not a fair critisim to say that a .45 needs a "rifle barrel" to punch through a car door. A goverment size 1911 will punch through both car doors with ease.
There must be some factors affecting the "test" then. Whatever the case the .45ACP can penetrate a car door and still be lethal when comming from a full size pistol.
It's written in "brazilian-portuguese". And despite most of the citizens try to make Brazil into a communist country, it simply isn't (whites still rule here)!
yea the .357 expands very violently and dynamically but look at the momentum of a .45 acp round...it really shoves the soap instead of expending all its energy early in its penetration
It may have "won" the test, but remember that QMSW used a Puma "carbine" (its 24 1/4" standard barrel would rather qualify it as a "rifle") to shoot the .357 Mag load and handguns for the .45 and .40 S&W.
''won'' the test? you could shoot the .357 out of a 2'' barrel and it would STILL win the test. .357's travel close to 2,000 FPS (i've seen up to 1,830FPS) out of 6''-8'' barrel, while what are some of the ''fastest'' .45 loads? 1,400 FPS? unlikely.
.357 and 10mm are considered the most powerful handgun cartridges
I'm not knocking the .357, it's an immortal great weapon. It's just crazy to call it or the 10mm the most powerfull handgun cartridge. What about .44 Mag, .454 Cassull, .480 Ruger . . . ?
Damn, I've shot alot of shit but never soap, you think enough of that would stop a projectile? I work with mdf "medium density fiberboard" it will stop a .45 acp point blank after only about an inch of penetration but from about 7 yards or so away it will rip right through.
as stated several other times the 357 is coming out of a carbine barrel ..... which gives that large bullet even more of a chance to burn all of the powder behind it allowing it to reach max velocity .... neat test though
0352USMC1408SAPD 4 months ago
these test results are non conclusive. NUMEROUS FACTORS APPLY!... this test put plane and simple is a FUCKING JOKE!....... VIEWERS BEWARE!!!... dont waste your time....... BALLISTICS IS MORE THEN JUST BARS OF SOAP!!!!!... i am no fan boy i am just stating the obvious
UndoneB4Broken 5 months ago
I love static.
Xanifur 6 months ago
mexicans make really good soap!
fordxbgtfalcon 7 months ago
.it don't matter you going to die when you get shot with anything ! Hospitals and ambulances do take down the risk but out in the middle of nowhere you going to die
deathbutt09 7 months ago
The .357 is better at longer distances because the faster speed of that round makes it more accurate at longer distances resulting in increased chances of hitting a target further away because there is less drop than you would have with a .45 ACP. But if your well versed with the .45 ACP you know how to compensate for any drop.
MrSimonGirty 9 months ago
If the .357 is from a carbine as stated by the OP then this "test" is totally inaccurate! The high pressures realized in the longer barrel completely throw this "test" off. Besides the .45 with a bigger mass and slower speed transfers more energy into the object being shot resulting in more trauma and shock.resulting in a faster rate of incapacitation.
MrSimonGirty 9 months ago
@MrSimonGirty I have an 8" pistol, DW makes 15" barrels for my particular model.. Or use to. I would say that every extra inch gives you 25ft per second more. .357 is badder.
japimportssuck 9 months ago
I see a lot of misconception on what a bullet does to actually KILL someone, so let me break it down for ya:
- .45 ACP will KILL someone with one shot 85-90% of the time (i dunno where you got your 50% survival rating lmao)..and thats from a coroners report that Id have to dig up, no pun intended.
-.40 S&W 75-80%
-.357mag 85-90%
SirSmok3Alot225 10 months ago
The deciding factor is the bullets wound channel aka the crushing/tearing as it penetrates &leaves a cavity...different specifications of rounds (JHP, FMJ, +p) as well as special SD rounds react very diff. depending on the surface being hit.
.357 penetrates obstacles really well, however a +p .45 round does too! so do your research instead of whining and pick the right round for your setup & your purpose! Bullets are ALL designed to kill. It doesnt have to be flying at Mach 3 to get the job done
SirSmok3Alot225 10 months ago
Realmente o 357 é um calibre brutal....o poder de parada é devastador !
FEMOBE 11 months ago
Yes, you guys are right the .45 has more knock down power, thats what this test shows, but the .357 magnum has stopping power. there is a difference in knocking someone on there ass for the ambulance to come and then stopping someone dead in there tracks to wait for the undertaker to come. you have a large .45 moving slow as hell, then you have a .357 thats not too small or larger with a very explosive blast behind it to make it haul ass and mushrooms hard to get expansion and fragment.
1MudDobber2 11 months ago
@1MudDobber2 dude a .45 does not knock someone on there ass, its a pistol!!! A shotgun would not even knock someone on there ass stop watching movies. For a gun to knock someone on their ass it would have to knock you down with the recoil as well. Its physics. What you guys are getting confused with is a guy FALLING DOWN after a bad wound. Kind of like when you stabb somone with a big enough knife and they fall down, after you pull it out. The bullet itself does not knock you down.
rudenko54 10 months ago
@rudenko54 Maybe I did use the wrong choice of words but my point was you have a lot better chance of surviving a .45 than a .357 magnum.
1MudDobber2 10 months ago
@1MudDobber2 Either round will kill you if it hits something vital, and neither will kill you if they don't. It's very simple, the bullet needs to penetrate deep enough to destroy something you can't live without. Once again, caliber isn't nearly as important as shot placement
grizz474 8 months ago
@grizz474 Hydrostatic shock not a heart shot., if it only took a .22LR to kill a person they wouldnt have came out with the .357 magnum or .44 magnum. but yes, a shot from a .22 to the brain stem would kill a person, but good luck with a shot like that, 357 magnum will kill you with a gut shot, Dr. dont have a good chance at fixing that mess of bloody goop.
1MudDobber2 8 months ago
@1MudDobber2 Handgun rounds (with a few exceptions) have no hydrostatic value on flesh, but can have shock value. Humans are very elastic, there's little if any damage done outside the path of a handgun bullet. The exceptions might be the large cal magnums. But most folks don't carry magnums for self defense, so the common self defense bullet needs to contact something to damage nerves or cause a loss of blood pressure to kill, but even if thug doesn't die the "shock" of being shot may detour.
grizz474 8 months ago
@grizz474 I understand your point, but Jerome Ersland used a .380..thats what got him trouble, first shots didnt kill him he had to go get another gun. In my opinion, had he used a 357 mag even fired a bond arms shot barrel derringer 2 shots would have killed him..wouldnt been no other gun. Not trying to really argue of make someone angry, but I have alot of handguns in everything from .32 to a .44 mag, but for carry I take my bond arms .357 magnum 2 shots of 125 grain Golden Saber.
1MudDobber2 8 months ago
@1MudDobber2 +1 here on the Bond Arms. I love my Snake Slayer. I have the 3.5" .357mag barrel too and man does that thing rock!!
BSRadar100 5 months ago
@rudenko54 get hit with a 230gr lead slug in the back, talking to your girlfriend by the coy fish pond. You're going to fall down.
japimportssuck 9 months ago
Well, the 357 was fired from an lever action rifle, with probably 20" barrel.
The muzzle velocity its much higher than if it fired from a revolver barrel.
FlakeDodge7 1 year ago 2
@Ls7colorado I agree but the 357 won't shoot circles around the 45 like sum people say. I still believe the 45 haz more knock down power.
CarlsonsRaidersUSMC 1 year ago
@Ls7colorado I totally agree the 357 is superior in that way but Wat I'm saying is the 45 was designed to be a very powerful round and it pisses me off wen people say the 357 will shoot circles around the 45 cause it won't and I stll believe the 45 has more knock down power.
CarlsonsRaidersUSMC 1 year ago
I don't know what the purpose of this video is? All need to be launched at a controlled distance out of a similar platform (say a 4" barrel pistol). Water jug testing is better and it's said a ..357 will over-penetrate.
intercooler2 1 year ago
@2142Unkown. If one more stupid freakin lame retarded idiotic moron says that stoppin power is not important or watever shit u said i wll fuckin SCREAM!!!!!!! the fuckin 45 has more power in some way cause every video i have seen the 45 blows up waterver there shootin and the mag dosent do half the damage the 45 does so wat the fuk ever about stopin power but the 45 is more powerfl in sum damn way!!!!!!!!!!!!
CarlsonsRaidersUSMC 1 year ago
@CarlsonsRaidersUSMC just think of someone behind a car door, or a brick wall... You want the bullet to go through the wall or door without loosing to much force and still be able to stop your target right? Your 45 might put a larger hole in the wall/door but will also slow down faster once it hits it and will run out of velocity faster. I will transmit more POWER to a single target but will not penatrate as much.
Ls7colorado 1 year ago
@SupremeAmerican dude the 45 has more stopping power than the 357. The lead for the mag is barley bigger than the 9mm. again the mag may be more pwerful but the 45 has much more stopin power because that is exactly wt it was made 4 -:(
CarlsonsRaidersUSMC 1 year ago
@CarlsonsRaidersUSMC LOL the .45acp is no were near as powerful as the .357magnum.
Check ballistics and stop basing stopping power on unrelavent things like "the lead for the mag" Learn physics and stop applying only your sense of vision to logic. DA 45 LEAD LOOK BIGGER SO MUST HAVE MORE STOPPINGZ POWERZ. You make gun owners look stupid.
2142Unknown 1 year ago
357 win
SupremeAmerican 1 year ago
Waste of time. WTF with the static audio. Shit, I'll never get that time back
hifly78 1 year ago
@Homonoid the fuck are you on about?
fenix144 1 year ago
@snowmagsx1100 the 357 may be more powerful but the bullet will go straight throu u. A 45 will hit u and knock u on your ass so the 357 mag may have the most power but the 45 has the most STOPPING POWER!!!!
CarlsonsRaidersUSMC 1 year ago
@CarlsonsRaidersUSMC nah 357 has more
SupremeAmerican 1 year ago
hey the 357 is hands down the most powerful of the 3 you mention,,,the 357 magnum has probabl;y twice the power a 45 acp or 40 caliber has,,no comparison and the 357 is one of the greatest calibers ever developed.
snowmangsx1100 1 year ago
i like the 357
kentawagi 1 year ago
@Homonoid
It's Portuguese, spoken by countries not even slightly related to communism you imbecile.
lovesara850 1 year ago
this video fuckin sucks. wtf is with the goddamn explotion of white noise too. for warned anyone watching this video. TURN DOWN YOUR SPEAKERS!!!!!!!!
Schutzstaffel23 1 year ago
Very interesting
barstoolguru 1 year ago
I'll remember this if I'm ever attacked by soap.
preparehandbook 1 year ago 2
so after getting hit by a .357 shot from a carbine you will end up looking like a womans private area? thats stopping power!!! thanks for the video!
libero244 1 year ago
@Homonoid It's in Spanish...
darthguy999 1 year ago
@darthguy999 Geeez if you don't know don't comment. It is Portuguese.
sigma1atar 1 year ago
@Homonoid lmaooo best comment
crayzmoe 1 year ago
@Homonoid That's a good question.
lhusby 1 year ago
357. magnum it is.
filmfreakmiah 1 year ago
10mm mannn!!!!!!!!!!!!
BigMoneyRabbit 1 year ago
Cool test but too bad it was done by complete idiots.
isisncasey 1 year ago
What the hell is up with the static?
UltimaVirus 1 year ago
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ewechoob1 1 year ago
wut was the first bullet?
blakrag310 1 year ago
@blakrag310
a 357 magnum from a carbine. The others are out of pistols.
QMSW 1 year ago
The 357 is a beast, but I prefer the .45 ACP because its stopping power, and you can handle the gun better while firing multiple rounds.
LoneStarPatriot 2 years ago
actually the .357 magnum has the best track record as far as stopping power go's, with some rounds reaching a 97% chance of a one shot stop, .45 acp is a close second though
lawsturner 1 year ago
lawsturner,
What about .40 or 357sig?
NickDenning3 1 year ago
Long live the .357 Magnum.
ButtPoopWiggle 2 years ago 11
I'd like to see this with a .357 SIG vs. a .40 S&W
CleanDancing 2 years ago 2
357 SIG is less powerful than the 357 Magnum. The SIG is about 100 to 150 fps slower, and the exposed pure lead tip on revolver rounds has an extremely explosive effect as clearly shown in this test.
My test results have been about the same as the tests shown here.
Excellent idea to use soap bars as a visual reference of bullet expansion.
Thanks for the video QMSW.
coltperc 2 years ago
sure it is, but the .357 SIG is still a very good pistol round. I don't really like revolvers.
CleanDancing 2 years ago
The 357 SIG is a good round, although ballistically it is a 38 Super +P or a 9 X 23 Winchester.
Don't blind yourself to revolvers, as they possess many advantages.
I have carried a Colt Commander 45, a Colt 1991A1 38 Super, a Springfield XD 357 SIG, and a S & W 66 357. Kept ONLY the S & W 66 357 Mag.
The K-frame S&W is easier to conceal, totally reliable, shoots rings around the auto pistols accuracy-wise, and handles any 38/357 bullet weight, shape or power level without a hiccup.
coltperc 2 years ago
Yes the Model 386 is a nice thing. Seven rounds in .357 MAG, relatively compact size. Serious firepower. I should look into it.
I currently carry a SIG P239 in .357 SIG with extended 9-round mag. That works well for concealed carry even in hot summers.
CleanDancing 2 years ago
i know i know that is your opinion, but personally i like revolvers because 1. they look better, 2. less likely to jam, and 3. they usually shoot bigger rounds :)
poptartpencil 2 years ago
@coltperc They were JHP, they still expand but it didnt have an pure exposed lead tip.
1ohtaf1 2 years ago
@coltperc ooops actualy it did have an exposed lead tip, my bad.
1ohtaf1 2 years ago
@coltperc The .357 Sig rounds from COR-BON have a velocity of around 1450 ft.per second and energy figures around or above any 125 gr. .357 Mag load all from a barrel half the length of a standard 6" test .357 Mag revolver.
TheGunslinger5854 1 year ago
@TheGunslinger5854 125 gr 357 Mags chronograph 1450fps from a 4-inch revolver; from a 6-inch revolver velocity will approach 1550 fps. 357 Mag 125 gr handloads, well within safe pressure limits, will exceed 1700 fps from a 6 inch revolver. The 357 Sig cartridge is not capable of those ballistics.
Polymer-framed auto pistols most definitely would not survive long with such powerful loads. An "L" or "N" frame S&W revolver will handle such powerful loads with ease.
coltperc 1 year ago
@coltperc Even though slightly slower than the .357 Mag, recoil is more manageable,followup shots are at least as fast or marginally faster. I feel comfortable with either a SIG or my old Colt Trooper but have to give the edge to the SIG with its much higher capacity. In all fairness I will say most of my handguns are revolvers in most calibers available but the largest segment of them are .357 Mags and .44 Mag. I do find the SIG a little easier to conceal in warm weather with an IWB holster.
TheGunslinger5854 1 year ago
@TheGunslinger5854 Agree with manageable recoil being an important factor in a CCW weapon. My primary personal carry gun is now a S&W 66 4-inch, loaded with 38 Special +P 158 gr LSWC-HP's at 900fps (Win or Rem), that perform practically as well as the 357 Mag 125 gr JHP at 1450fps, with MUCH less blast and recoil. Lead HP's are superb performers at moderate velocities.
The S&W 66 retired a Colt Commander and a Springfield XD 357 SIG for me. The 66 hides & carries easier & never fails.
coltperc 1 year ago
@coltperc 357 mag 1450fps 125gr 584 ft lbs vs 38+p 158gr 900fps 284ft.lbs how is that even close to to performing the same that a 300ft lbs difference
jessieharris1221 1 year ago
@jessieharris1221 Fire a 125gr FMJ 357 into a series of water jugs, and you will be surprised at how little damage it does. Fire a 125gr JHP 357 into a series of water jugs and the first jug will be blown wide open. Both loads have the same power, but it is the JHP that effectively delivers that power. A lead HP is more effective than a JHP. Also, momentum is a more accurate gauge of bullet impact than kinetic energy; The 38-158@900 = 80% momentum of 357-125@1450, & has a lead HP.
coltperc 1 year ago
@coltperc Some lead HPs will perform as well as most JHPs but the edge must surely go to Federals extremely effective Hydra-Shock JHP! This round expands and dumps all kinetic anergy much faster than any lead HP. Usually within the first 4 to 5 inches of penetration. The .357 rounds will still usually exit the body but at a much slower speed. Very very few .357 rounds will not exit a human under normal circumstances, there is just too much speed involved.
gunslinger5854 1 year ago
@gunslinger5854 My water impact tests show the lead HP to be a superior performer to fully jacketed HP's at a given velocity, with immediate expansion on impact. Revolver JHP's having exposed lead tips however do perform almost as well as the lead HP.
The lead HP's great anti-personnel performance comes at a price, though, Lead soft enough to expand well (BHN 10-12) is limited to handgun velocity range of 900-1100 fps, and bullets that soft will also expand when impacting a barrier.
coltperc 1 year ago
@coltperc the flaw of the non jacketed hollow points is that they sometimes will not retain enough mass
BigAgitator 1 year ago
@BigAgitator It's rare, but I have had the hollow-point nose blow off on lead HP's, when pushed at higher velocities than designed for. Actually, it is the JHP's that tend to shed weight normally, as jackets peel off on impact. Newer JHP's wtth bonded cores and solid copper HP's of course will not shed jackets, but petals can break off the nose if the bullets are pushed faster than design.
HP bullets, JHP's or lead, are a performance compromise at best & can't work in all situations.
coltperc 1 year ago
Cont: My preference in a handgun that needs to work across the board in a multitude of terminal impact situations, is a 45 Colt, loaded with 250 grain SWC's, cast in Lyman #2 (15 BHN) loaded to roughly 1000-1100 fps. Such a load can kill a large aniimal or drop a man in his tracks. The only real problem with that load is that the heavy bullet can easily punch through a wall and kill another person, after killing the bad guy. Otherwise it is superior to 9mm /357 JHP's in all impact scenarios!
coltperc 1 year ago
@gunslinger5854/@coltperc why are we even fussing about this a 357mag with any round is going to be a real bad day for the bad guy!!! :)
jessieharris1221 1 year ago
@jessieharris1221 No argument there!! The .357 is my caliber of choice just for that fact. I do however prefer the 158 gr. Hydra-Shock round for personal up close encounters. These rounds still expand even after going through fairly heavy clothing. Heavier bullets with a little horsepower behind them make for a deadly combination.
gunslinger5854 1 year ago
@coltperc i will do a comparison video of a 158gr sierra jhc lead tip at 900fps 38 spl and 125xtp at 1400-1450fps 357 mag as soon as it quits raining and show you that a jhp at 1400fps is a lot better than a lead hp at 900fps
jessieharris1221 1 year ago
@coltperc i will do a comparison video of a 158gr sierra jhc lead tip at 900fps 38 spl and 125xtp at 1400-1450fps 357 mag as soon as it quits raining and show you that a jhp at 1400fps is a lot better than a lead hp at 900fps. now i will agree that a lead hp is better than a jhp at the same vel. because my carry load is a sierra 158gr jhc with a lead tip instead of the 125gr xtp jhp
jessieharris1221 1 year ago
@jessieharris1221 Get a box of Remington 38+P 158 gr LSWC-HP and shoot it side-by-side with your 125 gr JHP's at 1400 fps. The Remington load is a true lead bullet and will outperform the Sierra JHC 158 gr lead tip. Winchester 38+P 158gr LSWC-HP is just as good.
A S&W 686 loaded with the Winchester load is the tool that ended the Miami FBI fight in 1986 after multiple-hit-failures-to-stop by 9mm JHP's allowed the 2 criminals to kill 2 FBI agents and wound 3 others in a prolonged gunfight.
coltperc 1 year ago
@coltperc how about this i will do one big comparison your remington 38+p 158gr Lswc-hp, my reloaded 158gr sierra jhc 38+p,and 125gr xtp jhp 357 mag. do you have any other suggestions. im up to the challange. i will be shooting through wet paperback books. it will test penatration and you will be able to see the hole size (cavitation) it will take a few day to do it but i will post it on my channel. i'm glad about this discussion it gives me something to do :)
jessieharris1221 1 year ago
@TheGunslinger5854 i have a ruger sp101 3" 125gr xtp that chrono's 1450 check out my video
jessieharris1221 1 year ago
@TheGunslinger5854 i have a ruger sp101 3" 125gr xtp that chrono's 1450 check out my video and a 357sig with a 125gr corbon is 1375fps check out gunsandammomag
jessieharris1221 1 year ago
@CleanDancing sig would win.
MrAmericanAce 2 years ago
Maybe you all should re-watch the video. If you were a surgeon you'd have a pretty fair chance of repairing the damage done to the ones shot with the .45 acp and 40s&w. Stoped in their tracks, no dount about it. Dead from one shot, about 45% chance. But as far as repairing the damage done by the 357, well my friends that one was dead on arival. Survivors from one shot from a 357, about 25% chance. Imagine any part of your body obliterated like the first 2 bars of soap on the 357. Not repairable.
bcoverss 2 years ago 4
@bcoverss Thanks doc... However, I am surprised you would say that, when you know as a surgeon that live flesh will "expand" and "contract" with the application of energy. These bars of soap do a good job of comparing the energy output of the round. But the survivability differential between the 3 rounds if far lower than this "test" would have you think. It would of been nice if they had stopped moving the camera around and took measurements...
Reverendjim1 1 year ago
@bcoverss the .357 was out of a carbine, meaning at least a 16" barrel.... the .45 and .40 were our of pistols, probably 3"-5" barrels... thats a huge difference in velocity. Put the .357 out of a snubbie and see what the difference is.
IRishAristocrat 6 months ago 3
i have a beretta 96D 40 s&w love the gun. all i have to say is that the 40 s&w is a DUTY gun nuff said.
rsoto33 2 years ago
Proof that the 40 is nearly as pointless as the 9. In terms of semi auto, if it's not a 45, what's the point?
bisquik3006 2 years ago
The 40 is the best of both.
The 9mm is the most useless of the 3 rounds.
A 9mm will kill but lacks the stopping power of .357 Magnum, 40 and 45.
What that means is they are dead but NOT OUT of the fight and can DRILL you before they die wich sucks because two dead people is no good.
.357 uses Volicty to tear flesh, shock wave and Nervious system shutdown.
45 uses large mass to cause shock wave and tearing causing shutdown.
40 has mass and volicty to tear and shockwave shut down.
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
I would take a .45 over a .40 myself, and I see what you are saying. However, you must agree that comparing the three is like comparing a 22 mag, 223, and a 30-06. The ..357 Mag shouldn't even be in the same sentence.
bisquik3006 2 years ago 2
I hear ya.
I myself carry a .357 Magnum it works under Stress and that matters for me.
I also have a 45 ACP 1911.
I do not have a 40 but would consider it.
9mm would not take for free or if I did I would use it for a trade in on another weapon.
Seen too many REAL LIFE where 9mm did not kill or very late in the Game.
You want a fight to be over SUPER FAST in YOUR FAVOR.
Take Care.
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more.
bisquik3006 2 years ago
The 45 has the most stopping power among all of them. This is why it is called "the man stopper".
wwwjbcitycom 2 years ago
If you can handle it, it would be better to take the bigger one.
1ohtaf1 2 years ago
No, the best is the bullet that is largest which causes the most damage (common sense here). Therefore its the 45, not the 40.
wwwjbcitycom 2 years ago
I hear ya, I have a 1911 45 and a .357 Magnum. However, when I saw the Police Bullet Tests on a Vehicle shooting inside and outside I would consider a 40 it gets the job done very well indeed. I would not buy or use a 9mm for any reason period based on real life and Police Tests.
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
Yeah, the 40 caliber is also a very effective caliber. My friend works for the Milwaukee police department and has two glock 9mms. (Cant remember which models). I always wondered why he didnt go with a 40 or 45, I certainly would have if I was in that line of work.
wwwjbcitycom 2 years ago
kool
H4v0kksh0tgunMan 2 years ago
wtf? i wouldnt use a .454 or a .500 for personal protection. the recoil will throw off ure aim more than these three calibers.
lhlover52 2 years ago
good video man i like the 45 reaction on the soap
blasvida68 2 years ago
both, .357 and.45 are good.... For situation.... .357 will penetrate more, but a .45 is well,,, a .45.
geoatv 2 years ago
You can think of the .45 like more lead less velocity. And the .357 magnum like less lead more velocity. The .45 moved the box because it didn't penetrate as well as the .357 and the .40 is somewhat in the middle of the two.
BLAKENATION 2 years ago 2
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
it wont go through every part of a car though. its very hard to get through a fire wall/barrier
demosthenets 2 years ago
This is bullshit, a .45 will punch right through a car door. They just had a show on the military channel that showed .45 rounds from a sub machine gun going through a car door & into a BOB
doktorhook 2 years ago
Yea, and that was with a RIFLE BARREL that brings it almost to .357 speed from longer burn. The Tommy Gun was 45 with a 14.5 inch barrel and it could cut a car almost in half. That is NOT A HANDGUN.
MP-5 Sub machine gun is 9mm but with the 14 inch barrel it gets to .357 Magnum SPEED.
Do not compare apples to oranges and you cannot carry a MACHINE GUN in the streets OK.
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
Thank you! People often forget to take barrel length into consideration. The length of the barrel makes a huge difference in ballistics, and you can't compare rifles to handguns. It's not even like comparing apples to oranges ... but more like comparing apples to freight trains.
JSM10069 2 years ago
You are very welcome it is in fact like night and day. Cheers.
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
He was talking about the Kriss SMG, it does not use a 14.5" rifle barrel, it uses a 5.5" SMG barrel and it managed to punch through the car door and out the other side with ease. yes the barrel is longer then pistols but by only half an inch. It is not a fair critisim to say that a .45 needs a "rifle barrel" to punch through a car door. A goverment size 1911 will punch through both car doors with ease.
1ohtaf1 2 years ago
Bingo you got the right on the money.
9mm has none of the traits of the above.
no shock wave, no penatration, no crushing and tearing.
I have pulled 9mm from a live person talking to it popped right out.
The 9mm will kill but the other guy will kill you as well because the trama was not enough with double tap.
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
9mm (with the right loading) can take down a human and keep him down. A modern 9mm is more powerfull then larger caliber caridges 10-15 years ago.
1ohtaf1 2 years ago
All I can say is the Test we DID did not prove that at all.
It is your life go for it.
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
There must be some other factors then. Whatever the case the .45 can penetrate doors and kill when comming out of a full size pistol.
1ohtaf1 2 years ago
There must be some factors affecting the "test" then. Whatever the case the .45ACP can penetrate a car door and still be lethal when comming from a full size pistol.
1ohtaf1 2 years ago
thanks for runing my headphones!
Bleppe 2 years ago 27
It's written in "brazilian-portuguese". And despite most of the citizens try to make Brazil into a communist country, it simply isn't (whites still rule here)!
Berserkr01 2 years ago
AHAHAHHAHA
tsakherkuum 2 years ago
...O TESTE ENTRE OS CALIBRES É EXCELENTE...MAS A FILMAGEM????!!!!!.
ps:"esse sabão so é bom pra isso".
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batbawls 3 years ago
yea the .357 expands very violently and dynamically but look at the momentum of a .45 acp round...it really shoves the soap instead of expending all its energy early in its penetration
BordeauxBulldog 3 years ago
Yeah, the 357 expanded violently.
mmabagain 3 years ago
your mom expanded violently!! sorry i couldnt resist lol
blamsamblam87 3 years ago 2
I take the .357 won that test.
s14sr 3 years ago 3
It may have "won" the test, but remember that QMSW used a Puma "carbine" (its 24 1/4" standard barrel would rather qualify it as a "rifle") to shoot the .357 Mag load and handguns for the .45 and .40 S&W.
cflmaior 3 years ago
''won'' the test? you could shoot the .357 out of a 2'' barrel and it would STILL win the test. .357's travel close to 2,000 FPS (i've seen up to 1,830FPS) out of 6''-8'' barrel, while what are some of the ''fastest'' .45 loads? 1,400 FPS? unlikely.
.357 and 10mm are considered the most powerful handgun cartridges
fomocowboy 2 years ago 2
Most powerful? .357, are you high? You'd better google .460 and .500 S&W's!!
MostShady1 2 years ago
shooting a .50cal from a 2" barrel would be crazy, the S&W .500 is virtually a rifle without the stock!, the .357 is a little more versatile.
GTFORDMAN 2 years ago
I'm not knocking the .357, it's an immortal great weapon. It's just crazy to call it or the 10mm the most powerfull handgun cartridge. What about .44 Mag, .454 Cassull, .480 Ruger . . . ?
MostShady1 2 years ago
Once again we are talking street use or Concealed carry.
These weapons are butt kickers but if you want to lug that much cannon around go to a rifle or shotgun.
The 44 Magnum is the only one that you could use in combat sidearm that will work UNDER STRESS.
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
Those are too big to carry and too powerful for self defense. I have seen the bones in the arm actually bend shooting those.
That is not even good for war.
Many can only take one or two shots and they cannot take the pain and these are tough dudes.
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
what are u talking about ???? what kind of hand gun
isaiahman1234567 2 years ago
.454 Cassull, .480 Ruger 50 smith...
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
For standard carry .357 and 10mm will ruin someones day even in a car.
Carry .357 and shot through a back window car seat then front windield the size of my fist with 2 inch snub nose.
Hand Cannon.
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
Roger that. You are correct.
.357 2 inch snub nose went through Rear Car winshield --through a Car Seat -- Through the FRONT windshield with a hole the size of Human Fist. FACT.
.357 Magnum is a high powered high volocity round period. That is why they are called hand cannon.
Magnus2552112 2 years ago
Damn, I've shot alot of shit but never soap, you think enough of that would stop a projectile? I work with mdf "medium density fiberboard" it will stop a .45 acp point blank after only about an inch of penetration but from about 7 yards or so away it will rip right through.
XXMIKECHARRONXX 3 years ago
6 bars will stop most of 9mm HP. About 13 bars to stop a 9mm FMJ.
I think it´s similar to others calibers, since all of them are designed to attend the FBI protocol of 12 inchs of minimum penetration in gelatin.
QMSW 3 years ago
@XXMIKECHARRONXX
Blrazilians are very creative. I am myself from Brazil. I don't think we have this particular kind of soap here in America.
lhusby 1 year ago