Francisco Araiza - Deposuit Potentes

[Isreal94]

One of the best versions on here!

[themastroiannis]

HEAVY handed!! like a "panzer unit" advancing....slowly!

[dgviktor]

Depo-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-suit...­... Pote-he-he-he-he-he-ntes... etc bad aspirated coloratura

[GregorioCanto]

@dgviktor

Thats how it is done when singing BACH (it is not Mozart, or Belini)

[David45NV1]

@dgviktorplease look at what is written in the score (in case you are able to read it). The part you refer to is indicated as „marcato" and Araiza is using the "martellato" coloratura technique to achieve the required expression. If you don't know what "martellato" is, you can attend a music school to learn it and next time you write a comment please inform yourself properly before and avoid writing such nonsense. You can be sure Karajan knew better than you what they were doing.

[mateusbelloni]

great concertmaster

[foerster]

Why disappeared from youtube the complete version? This version of Bach by Karajan is so magnificent and intense

[R4UL92]

MAGNIFICENT!

[theory1976]

majestic

[lucasm123]

Asi se canta esto , no como lo hace Bostridge. Que pasa con Araiza, no canta mas?

Hace tiempo que no se escucha nada de el.

[FranciscoAparisi]

que lento...

[musicboy403]

Different key??

[ironicallysatirical]

@musicboy403 During the era Bach wrote this tuning set A to 415 instead of 440 (which we use now). A lot of good recordings of this piece use period instruments which still use the A:415 tuning. This is being played in A:440 tuning so it sounds a half-step higher than recordings using A:415 tuning. Hope it helps!

[musicboy403]

@musicboy403 Duh! I shouldve known that! lolol. There goes my vocal music degree, huh??!! LOL

[anubier]

Wundervoll ,Karajanlike,so hat jeder seine Würze diesem Stück gegeben

[ximenadore]

tengo este dvd y no me canso de ver a este maravilloso cantante en este despliegue de agilidades y fuerza .Bravissimo Araiza, inigualable, por siempre

[jomoses07]

what's up with the bottom lip thing?

[nicktimmerman]

araiza places his voice very well...the aria lies in a slightly awkward spot. it is just low enough that many try to just belt it, and he most definitely does not do that. I agree that the articulation is a bit odd; I don't like the "h." A compromise can certainly be made between crispness and flexibility. all in all, though, well done on a tough song.

[BradipoNinja]

Glorious, powerful, solemn, inexorable: Really at the top level...

[konzertarien]

De acuerdo sobre lo de Kaufmann, no se compara a la técnica de Araiza. Pero, tampoco nadie ha hablado de sus virtudes y se fijan en cosas que no son relevantes. Araiza tenía un brillo en su voz y una dicción formidable.

[dimakauffman]

even kaufmann could learn a couple of things of him

[linow666]

Why he sing in Gm and no the original F#m?

[nemorino]

probably for the low notes  ?

[linow666]

I love Araiza.

[sagarzon]

Are you talking about 415 pitch or 440 pitch?

This is an F#minor in 440 tuning (a G minor in 415), Karajan (in what i've heard) didn't used instruments with A=415, because his interpretations didn't mean to be "historical" like Koopman or Herreweghe or Harnoncourt.

[rossinimeaburre]

I love karajan and araiza, but..this is not the way to play bach nowadays. A lot of things has changed in the last 20 years..

[jcottere]

Where's the fire!? Too slow. Also, not a huge fan of the articulation with the melismas. Regardless, Araiza and Karajan are both ballers.

[allmnmo]

jairo baronet despues de krauss la mejor version de la danza linda voz

[jfbaritono]

Belíssima voz, mas acredito que o andamento está muito lento, talvez fizeram isso por conta da voz dele não ter agilidade, na verdade está estranho.

[LvJols]

Excelente video.. Qué grande es Francisco Araiza.. grande en verdad. Y los que critican la versión acá abajo, qué lastima que ya murió Karajan y no le pudieron dar clases de música.. como ellos son tan grandiosos por eso nadie los conoce.

[heworama]

The dirty look Karajan gives the orchestra at the end when they're not 100% in time with him for the last 3 bars or so is hilarious

[primadivo]

really like the voice....but to me it seems like this drags a lil and the runs are too choppy...this piece should be faster IMHO

[Ricciuto27]

Wow, I've never heard it sung so slowly! I have a feeling Araiza, with his ability to sing lightning-fast coloratura would have liked a faster tempo than what ol' Herby gave him.

[donatello1]

Agreed, a bit slow for my taste.

[OrpheuCe]

I completely agree, inthe part is said 'Appasionato , ma no troppo allegro"....

full of passion, but not too alegro....

in this rendition it´s almost andante!

well

a great rendition by great artists, in a different concept of performance.

Really, Karl Bhön coud do this in other way...more properly Bach style

[OrpheuCe]

But I Love Karajan and Araiza!

great sounds!

[pacoykaren]

Bravo Francisco!!!

Bravo Maestro Karajan!!

Beautiful.

[mrharpsi]

Haha, it is soo bad, and tempo is toooo toooo slow!!

[cantantesmexicanos]

Indiscutible Maestro del Canto.

Bravissimo Tenore!!!

[sagarzon]

depó-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-h­o-ho-suit.

[Vielflieger01]

---> sagarzon I dont want to repeat again about these silly ho-ho-ho comments. Please read one of the comments I have posted.

[araizaamore]

AWESOME! I've never enjoyed listening to (or singing)Bach so much- nor ever will. Francisco is amazing! He can sing ANYTHING!

[andrereisu2b]

Bach is not for the faint of heart... he is the greatest!

[blkmichaux]

THAT WAS EXCELLENT!!!

[LeTraveler09]

Perfection!! Beautiful sound! Breath control!! No one could ever sing this better than Senor Araiza. BRAVISIMO!!!

[sagarzon]

A little lack of style...Araiza is great. But Is this really the way this Bach work has to be sung?

[pacoykaren]

Who knows about 'really the way this has to be sung' but it mirrors the text quite well and it is probably what von Karajan wanted. It is a fantastic interpretaion non the less, no?

[Vielflieger01]

I would say it is! I don`t know a better interpretation!

[ejerunes]

Francisco Araiza is one of the greatest tenors of the modern era! (Just watch his control of breathing.. what control!) Thank you for posting!

[guy1938]

great

[karajan1982]

Glorious

[hardasanaskiq]

Oh my god , Maestro Karajan cunducts and plays without any musics sheet, how can it be, how great was his self confidentialness!!!

[camonzongo]

Just watch and learn people! It is very amusing to read comments of people who think they know better than either Araiza or Karajan, just watch and learn.

[devastaticon]

great artist let shit slide from other performers all the time. just because keen audience members call them on their shit doesnt mean we dont also think the world of them. the only problem i have with this one is all the H's so this particular job there's little to learn from. NO H'S

more legato please

[lonelyphoenix7]

Why don't you get up in front of an orchestra and do better?

[camonzongo]

Keen audience members??? Please!! Call them on their shit?? That's what you talk. Think the world of them? They're artists, that's what I think. H's is the only problem you have? That's all you need to say.

Keep your shit to yourself, please.

(funny I just saw this reply after 8 months

[Vielflieger01]

--- > devastati, You are not really insinuating that Araiza cant sing coloratura or doesnt know what he does or why?? dont make me laugh!! Considering that this is a very dramatic aria and that von Karajan was committed to create pure emotion as a result of perfection, obviously they decided to feed this interpretation from the dramatic content (translate: Deposuit potentes de sede). That is the reason of this martellato in the runs. How would you do them without H`s? I am all ears!!!

[sagarzon]

When you don't sing baroque repertoire as you're singing a Verdi aria. That's when you don't use martellato. It's a manner of understanding what needs each music style. In this case, the runs are not sung martellato, but portato. there has to be a relation between the first and the last note of the run. And the ho ho ho doesn't let it sound as a whole. That way of "strenght-singing" is perfect for Wagner.

[Vielflieger01]

--> sagarzon, it seems you have troubles not only in writing but also in reading English. You didnt get the point. Your comment reads like a pre-recorded message from somebody trying to attract attention insinuating he knows something better than Karajan and Araiza. Please dont be ridiculous!

[sagarzon]

je je je

Any musical ideas? stop the insulting. That only proves you don't know what to say.

[Torquemada0]

sagarzon, I have plenty of musical ideas but what I dont like are your comments. You claim to be a musician but you dont deserve such name since your comments reflect lack of respect for musicians. Artists like Karajan and Araiza knew for sure what they were doing and had a good reason for doing it that way. You may not like it as I dont like your comments since they are out of place but tat doesnt mean they didnt know anything about Bach and you know everything.

[sagarzon]

OK. That doesn't answer my question, but it's Ok.

Different ways of seeing music, which are defended passionately. I deeply expected to learn something from the romantic interpretations, but i've only found anger and nonsense, the typical reaction when an idol is "hurt". Karajan can't be hurt, he's what he was, no matter what do I (ir we) say about it. And I'm no musician. And I never said I was. I just disagreed with something, that's what debate is for, isn't it?

[sagarzon]

Are you angry?

Oh i'm sorry. Please don't allow me to hurt you because our aestethics and thoughts are different. Or are you gonna say that Karajan was a Bach specialist?

[g4thz]

I think that the tempo's too slow and the tenor's too heavy. Let it just flow from your throat, dude, and relax your shoulders! Do you hear the "De-po-ho-ho-ho-ho" sound on the run? He does the text diservice with such an interpretation. Easy singing, man, that's the answer.

[g4thz]

And is it just me, or did they add a Picardy third at the end?! Bach is rolling in his grave!

[GILBRAZIL]

This tenor part is one of the most heavy that Bach compose, and he ask to do this "appassionato, ma non troppo allegro"

But... I agree, if Karajan choose a faster tempo, the tenor can sound a little bit more leggero, but on that tempo is too dificcult to kee the voice high...

[elkinsinger]

i certainly doubt that bach did write himself "appassionato, ma non troppo allegro" composer in baroque usually didnt write the tempo and less in such romantic terms, may be simply allegro, or adagio and so on, they did not write neighter the variations for a A B A piece, or the musical dynamics such crescendo diminuendo etc, may be just a "P" or "F" those kind of descripitives tempos and dynamics we find now because of editor now day, you must have looked on the schrimers edition

[sagarzon]

Completely false that "appassionato, ma non troppo allegro". Bach didn't wrote any tempo indications for this aria. The "appassionato, ma non troppo allegro" is an Edition Peters' "help" to the singer or the conductor. But how in the world Johann Sebastian Bach was going to write "appassionato, ma non troppo allegro"!!! That's XIX century speaking. And Bach died in 1750.

[Vielflieger01]

--> sagarzon, Here you write something which is well known just wasting space and again you keep on missing the point. A conductor with a strong personality like Karajan reflects here how he perceives the music. It is well known Karajans emphasis on sound and perfection. If you prefer to hear how Bach might have sounded in his time you should be listening to somebody like Harnocourt but not Karajan.

[pljcj]

That is the most moronic, ill-informed, self-important, comment I have ever read about one of the greatest bel canto tenor voices alive. Please keep to yourself the negative comments about singers and artists who know and share infinitely more than you.

[Vielflieger01]

g4thz ... Please take notice that Bach style is not belcanto and easy singing oes not apply for this dramatic aria. This rendition honors in the most perfect manner the text (translate: Deposuit potentes de sede). That is also the reason of this martellato in the runs (H's). Too bad von Karajan is not alive anymore; perhaps he could learn from you how to do it better! jejeje

[juadan]

Are there wrong notes on the second set of "Deposuit"s? I'll have to go home and check my score. Maybe I've been singing wrong notes all these years.

[GILBRAZIL]

The notes are corretcs, just the tempo is a little bit slow and its make a lot of diference...

[letsenjoymusic]

This is a Master piece. Von Karajan as was usual, precise, strong, serious, perfect. Impresive powerful voice accordingly. Long life maestro Araiza!

[fightthespoons]

too slow...

[jakobdkp]

I agree that Karajan didn't choose the wrong tenor. Karajan chose the right tenor for his interpretation of the Deposuit aria, which in my humble opinion is slow, dull, overly dramatic and historically uninformed to the extreme. So, a fine tenor indeed.

[cantanteporsiempre]

bravo araiza!!!!, his voice suites perfecto for this music, mozart, bach, donizetti, bellini, suites his voice!

[fgpad]

Realize what some put in here. Do you think Karajan would allow to a unsuitabble tenor. Hey men you are very bad critics, lousy minds, Maestro Karajan who is one of the most perfectionist conductors directed Araiza to these beautiful piece. Those who try to realize what Bach did want, are krazy, did he tell you what to sing and how. I doub it. Precise like to try to understand a genious. Truly you make me laugh. ARAIZA ONE OF THE BEST

[sagarzon]

Truly you make me laugh if you don't understand what documents from the time of Bach can help to know how this kind of works were sung. Or you're just lazy, prefer not to investigate, and choose the easiest: to sing in the Romantic Opera style, something that was written 100 years before it. Sounds easy and fun!

[fgpad]

and of course you make me laugh too, sure you think you know better than Karajan how to play this work. And maybe he is lazy too, and of course Araiza is lazy because he did not consult documents from that time to sing Bach right? and nice.

[Torquemada0]

sagarzon, Sagarzon, I suggest you go and finish your musical instruction and get your experience as musician before you keep on writing such nonsense. Von Karajan and Araiza had more experience and knowledge than the years you have lived and you can be dam sure neither of them was lazy or ignorant. Your comments reflect much rather ignorance, complexes and problems with your ego. This is the best deposuit I have heard!

[muniozbarra]

Sin duda Araiza fue un grande y seguramente por ser un grande puede cantar lo que se le antoje y a su manera, pero para los puristas del estilo Barroco, en especial el de Bach, esto esta totalmente fuera de estilo, la fluidez de la coloratura esta totalmente dedibujada por la correcta afinacion y colocacion de las notas,a consecuencia de esto el aria deja de tener agilidad y frescura.

no me considero un purista pero definitivamente creo que este repertorio no es para semejante tenor.

[alexgomez2]

I guess it's a matter of taste to say whether this interpretation is slow or not. To me it is a bit slow, but as far as to the vocal interpretation, style and energy, it is magnificent.

[BeauTenor]

I've always liked this voice, but it's TOO SLOW, and he sounds very labored. Bach wrote this to be sung in a dramatic fashion, but (having sung it many times), I think the fury and the drama comes from the music itself, and when singing Bach it's really not supposed to be sung like opera; in the first place because it will tire you very quickly, and second, because it's just not musically corect (Bach has a very fast harmonic rhythm).

[OrpheuCe]

I do agree. It's too slow.

[LucianoKraCore]

Un cantante perfecto, maravilloso, por algo KARAJAN y otros grandes genios han trabajo con este gran tenor Mexicano.

[Pepitadk]

Mr. Araiza's voice is always wonderful. His voice always gives me joy and happiness.

[LeTraveler09]

I will agree with you on that, his voice is magnificent.

[babajaga39]

sorry i meant long live araiza!

[babajaga39]

I didn't hear him losing his voice. it is always great as it always used to be. this is just the critics' s---t that he lost his voice, or another tenor's enviness/false news. karajan did know whom to work with. heil araiza!

[awesomeone001]

Karajan playing?!?!

Just Awesome!!!

I'd like to see the rest of this masterpiece

[ilbacioditosca]

Entiendo tu indignacion por aca dicen cualquier cosa como el forro ese al principio

[ilbacioditosca]

This Bach is very dramatic and it needs a strong voice,Araiza is perfect for that.What Araiza did wrong was to sing Wagner!! That is why he lost his voice.

[Torquemada0]

---> ilbacioditosca ... Araiza´s voice is neither ruined nor lost. Somebody spread the false rumor and some people took it for granted. You can follow his performances all the years up to 2007 here in youTube and can convince yourself of his development into Wagner and this after almost 40 years career. That wouldnt be possible with a prematurely ruined voice!!

[snakelavie]

So this is a Herbert von Carry on Sargeant performance. Too bad for poor Francisco Araiza. A wonderful lyric/tenorino voice, and ruined too soon. What a loss.

[Manuelnc]

pero q decis pedazo de pelotudo seguramente no sabes cantar ni el arroz con leche!! In spanish is so better!!

[ilbacioditosca]

obiamente sos argentino,cantante?

[Manuelnc]

si soy argentino y cantante, estudie con araiza, es una gran persona, un gran artista y hoy cantando wagner, lo hace muy bien y tiene la voz intacta!.. Perdon por mi reaccion, pero ma da mucha bronca q la gente hable por hablar y juzgar a alguien sin saber lo que significa el esfuerzo de armar un instrumento como la voz y sobre todo de tenor!

[babajaga39]

gracias, manuelnc! tell him, we love him and trust him!

[SparafucileVengador]

Canta bien y SparafucileVengador te ensalzará. Hazlo mal y SparafucileVengador te lo dirá. Este pobre no sabe lo que dice. El o la pobre seguro no sabe ni abrir la boca para cantar nota. Para los ignorantes es muy fácil decir tonterías, pues el que nada sabe nada teme. Araiza es y será un grande, por siempre. Depuren los comentarios y borren los de gente estúpida como este pendejo, que de seguro es otro de los miles de cantantes frustrados que se quieren hacer pasar por críticos.

[Torquemada0]

--> snakelavie you seem to be totally misinformed. Araiza is neither a tenorino nor has ruined his voice. You can follow his performances all the years up to 2007 here in youTube and can convince yourself of his development into Wagner and this after almost 40 years career. That wouldnt be possible with a prematurely ruined voice!!