Ron Paul: Tucker Endorsement And Thompson's Trophy Wife

[newaza79]

his wife is getting it somewhere else

[poolkitty]

Fred Thompson is a member of the CFR, a visiting fellow of the American Enterprise Institute (against global warming initiatives), he served on a committee raising funds for the defense fund for Scooter Libby, he slept around in Washington for years before settling down with his favorite "possession". Nice Fred, real nice.

[shiftstart]

Totally agree with you. Now just pass this message to the rest of the country who for some reason have a short attention span and for some reason are enthralled with shiny shiny thingy.

[howtogrill1]

I like Tucker he knows whats up. And has the brains when he says he will vote Ron Paul.

[afsafsdaf]

I don't know about you all, but my most prized possession is my freedom. Ron Paul 2008!

[Brak2002]

The only real difference between Thompson and Ron Paul is their stances on foreign policy. Thompson has taken the Goldwater approach while Paul has taken the Hobbes approach. Thompson also has detailed proposals on his website to offer solutions to problems like Social Security & Medicare, Immigration, Implementing a Flat Tax, Ending Federal education programs, etc.  Ron Paul just throws out ideals but has yet to come up with a solid plan.

[Brak2002]

I've been telling Ron Paul supporters to take another look at Fred Thompson because he has always been a strong advocate for limited government, individual liberties, fiscal conservatism, and a free market economy. He's one of the few Goldwater conservatives left, and since we can't bring Barry back, I'm voting for Fred. Tucker has always said he's voting for Ron Paul so I wouldn't think it's a surprise but his second favorite person if Fred Thompson so you should really consider him.

[ragecloak]

The problem with fred thompson is his foreign policy. There's nothing fiscally conservative about the governments war on "terrorism" or the wars in iraq and afghanistan. He also supports the war on drugs, which also is not fiscally conservative (nor does it support individual liberties). Paul is much closer to goldwater, which is why goldwater jr. endorsed him. I think Paul has a much better chance of winning than thompson as well.

[Brak2002]

I would disagree that Ron Paul is more like Goldwater than Fred Thompson. It was Goldwater who said "it is the responsibility of the American people to stand up to the tyranny of dictators around the world". Like Thompson, Goldwater followed the John Locke perspective on foreign policy. Ron Paul is the opposite, a die-hard Hobbesian Realist.

[poolkitty]

I think you got it backwards. Can you explain your point or were you just trying to mislead others? Ron Paul DOES NOT advocate Hobbesian perspectives. Albeit, Dr. Paul does argue involvement in other countries' wars is not in America's best interests but unlike Hobbs he does not believe that war should be avoided at any cost including the lost of liberties of the individual.

[Brak2002]

I believe Ron Paul will only take military action if the United States is directly attacked. He believes the military has no other purpose then defending out domestic borders. If that isn't a die-hard realist, then I would like to know who is?

[poolkitty]

There are so many shades of Realism. I was objecting to your implication that Dr. Paul followed Hobbs anti-liberty views. I think you are deliberately trying to confuse the issue. Non-interventionism is not a bad thing in terms of allowing a nation to rebuild its economic strength. In fact it is necessary. This is not a question of turning our back on the world's neediest citizens. It is about preserving our own ability to survive economic disaster. This is so basic. .

[Brak2002]

Our current foreign policy only made up 15% of total federal government budget in 2007. That's including the wars and maintaining bases and embassies. This doesn't include the trillions we owe in entitlement programs. This I think Ron Paul overstates the amount of money we spend on our foreign policy and is a doomsayer to economic disaster just like Al Gore is a doomsayer to environmental diaster.

[poolkitty]

I was wondering how long would it take you to bring up global warming. Are you on Jeri's payroll? Are you part of the high-tech campaign strategy of disseminating info so Fred won't have to hit the campaign trail he hates so much.... the lazy bastard. Yep that's right folks, Fred is a card toting member of the CFR and a visiting fellow of the American Enterprise Institute. He rose money for Scooter Libby's defense and has a sexual past in Washington that would make Clinton blush.

[Brak2002]

Fred Thompson's policy on the War on Drugs has always been to leave drug policy up to the state governments and not make it a federal issue. Goldwater has never claimed that a strong military is fiscally irresponsible, just the opposite. He believed most federal funds should go into maintaining a strong military because that is the sole responsibility of the federal government.

[davyjames]

Thompson likes war, you cannot be fiscally conservative and for civil liberties whilst also supporting pre-emptive war. I know this might provoke an immediate "YOU YOU CAN" response but I really mean this. War is the health of the state and the enemy of liberty. The only war I can ever support is a Just War.

[Brak2002]

Is it a Just War if we send our troops to stop genocide even though the U.S. is not directly attacked? And I'm sure nobody likes war. You use the terms "warmonger" and "empire" to distort people who disagree with Ron Paul and his "Switzerland" mentality.

[davyjames]

Was genocide being practiced in iraq when we invaded? Is it being practiced in Iran as the neo-cons advocate furthering the war into that country? Are many of the 'genocides' actually regional warfare that concern local disputes? Are the corrupt goverments often funded by us? Do they often get weapons from us? Is it moral to tax and my family to do your "moral" crusade half way around the world?

[Brak2002]

Was it right for the U.S. to stop the Holocaust?

[shizoid123]

study your history better. We didn't go into WWII to stop the Holocaust. Our reason for entering the war was because Japan attacked us, which made it a just war for us. Although, the interventionalist policies of Woodrow Wilson that got us into WWI and affected the Treaty of Versailles led to WWII in the first place.

[Brak2002]

If we were attacked by Japan, then why did we invade Europe? Japan declares war on America so in response America declares war on Germany?

[poetrychurch]

Brak, research your history before you post your misinformed opinions here. Germany declared war on the United States by decree hours before we declared war IN CONGRESS, the way a Democracy goes to war. Cheers!

[Brak2002]

So if Albania declares war on us even though they never attack us, we should go kick their ass?

[poetrychurch]

What are you suggesting, that the United States shouldn't have responded to an attack by Japan and a declaration of war from Germany? Are you even suggesting anything at all, or are you merely arguing for rhetoric's sake?

[Brak2002]

Pretty much for rhetoric's sake. I'm just trying to point out to people that Ron Paul is a die-hard Hobbesian Realist when it comes to foreign affairs. I believe more in the Locke Enlightenment side of foreign policy so I am disheartened by some of the rhetoric Ron Paul uses like "empire-building". I agree we should stay out of most people's business but we shouldn't turn a blind eye either.

[poolkitty]

My understanding of Hobbs is that he rejected the concept of "separation of powers" which is central to the very basis of our constitution and also argued for the necessity of censorship to protect order within a society. How absurd! How can you describe Dr. Paul as a "die-hard Hobbesian Realist"? Lockes ideas of the necessity of checks and balances and personal liberty greatly influenced the writers of the constitution and Ron Paul is the constitution's biggest fan.

[Brak2002]

I'm talking about foreign policy, not domestic policy so this has nothing to do with the Constitution. Realists believe there's always a direct necessity to gain by a nation acting in the international domain. They believe there is no such thing as alliances between nations, they are just doing what's in their best interest. Ron Paul wants to look the other way when another nation is in distress because "it is not our problem". That's a Realist philosophy.

[poolkitty]

You got half of it right. Which means you got half of it wrong. Alliances by their nature distort the nature of a nations sovereignty. You can have friendly relations without developing alliances. I don't believe Dr. Paul has ever suggested that we not provide aid in response to natural disasters. He has simply questioned the prudence in getting involved in their INTERNAL political struggles always with a reminder that CONGRESS is the ultimate authority regarding our involvement in war.

[Brak2002]

I pretty sure Ron Paul doesn't want to "waste" taxpayers money on providing aid to foreign countries. You can look up his voting record as proof. Plus he thinks we should treat every country as equal, whether its government is a republic, dictatorship, or communist regime. That's far removed from what Goldwater advocated.

[poolkitty]

Jesus tells us to show LOVE to all. That's the basis of Dr. Pauls message & why it's part of the Ron Paul rEVOLotution logo. Don't be hatin! I can't see offering a lifeline only to those drowning people whose leaders share our views and neither would Dr. Paul. Do you even have the slightest understanding of HUMANitarian aid versus military aid? Or logic? Me smart - you dumb. Dr. Paul Good. Fred Thompson - not bad just not as ethical or as consistant in beliefs and actions as Dr. Paul

[Brak2002]

I'm just tired of Ron Paul supporters unfairly attacking Fred Thompson. And believe me there's alot of BS going around. But I still think Ron Paul plans to cut off all humanitarian aid because he believes it's a waste of money. My biggest concern about the Ron Paul foreign policy is that he has said he won't respond to situations of genocide because "it isn't any of our business". Well, I think it is our business to prevent unnecessary human suffering to the best of our abilities.

[TheWill2Power]

Oh please, as a government, we are pretty damn selective of the genocides we choose to respond to, or ignore, don't you think? Has nothing to do with special interests, I'm sure....... You can't possibly be that naive.

[Brak2002]

That's up the the Congress to decide what is genocide and what is not.  And if your elected officials are listening to special interest more than their constituents, then you should elect new officials. That's how a Constitutional Republic works!

[Amy31415]

I think, maybe, that he deserves a look for VP if Ron Paul gets the nomination.

[Brak2002]

On the contrary, I think Ron Paul would be a good Secretary of the Treasury for President Thompson.  Do you think Ron Paul would go for a position like that?

[Amy31415]

Not sure. And I'm sure he wouldn't answer that question at this point in his campaign.

Given the immorality and illegality of the war, I couldn't vote for anyone who won't get us out with a clear conscience. I mean, those are real people dying out there. I do like Fred's stance on gun control, immigration and a few other things though.

[poolkitty]

How about getting Martin Sheen? He too has experience portraying President or maybe we could just elect Sheen and Thompson could be his V.P? I mean Sheen is a whole lot easier on the eyes.

[poolkitty]

Bet you thought you got rid of me, didn't you? So now that Fred has dropped out, do you think he might consider a position within the Paul Administration? He he he. Sorry, couldn't help myself. :) Kisses from Poolkitty

[Brak2002]

The only reason Ron Paul is still in the race is because you guys gave him so much money he has to find a way to spend it all before he drops out. Thompson still has more delegates than Ron Paul and still has a chance at becoming the party nominee if there is a brokered convention.  If not, I'll vote for Ron Paul if he runs independently.

[poolkitty]

Is that a promise? Cuz I really don't think even in a brokered convention, the RNC would give the nomination to a candidate dropped out so early in the race. I am hoping that you and other Fred supporters will urge him to support RP. It would be gutsy move on his part but just what we need. Otherwise, I would look for Fred to be a favored candidate for VP.

[Brak2002]

All the polls indicate that Thompson is the overwhelming second choice for most voters in the GOP. So the delegates at the convention, if they can't agree on a nominee, would have to come up with a second choice that everyone would accept. The only person who can unite the 3 different conservative factions is Thompson because he excels in all conservative aspects.

[chemturtles]

Ron Paul has the endorsement of the Goldwater family, straight from the moutn of Barry, Jr.

RP08

[Brak2002]

I know Barry Goldwater Jr. has endorsed Ron Paul but my roommate, who's a huge Ron Paul supporter, says Barry Goldwater Sr. would be more inclined to support Fred Thompson because they have similar views on foreign policy.

[poolkitty]

And now you are quoting "your roommate" in his musings about the thoughts of who someone who is dead might support? I mean, come on. Oh wait, you are right! That's something valid to contribute. My cat says John Lennon would support Obama because they have similiar ideas of a one world government. he he he - you are so transparently silly. So what is the Thompson camp having for lunch today Brak2002? Idiot soup?

[Brak2002]

Is there something wrong with comparing current politicians to politicians of yesterday? Thompson is following from Goldwater's example on everything. Ron Paul is following Goldwater's example on everything besides foreign policy. I'm not saying Goldwater would endorse Thompson, I'm saying they share the closest views.

[poolkitty]

Gee, I don't know - lets ask your "roommate". I thought he was the one who said that Goldwater, Sr. would endorse Thompson. I think you are just trying desperately to sidestep the fact that Barry Goldwater, Jr. actually DID endorse Ron Paul, which in my mind holds a lot more water than what a "roommate" thinks someone dead or live MIGHT say.

[Brak2002]

Who cares who his son endorses. Reagan's son is a hardcore democrat so should you listen to him? If you just compare the views of Thompson and Paul, Thompson is more like Goldwater. It's just that simple. I don't really care about your speculation on who Goldwater would endorse; it was just an offhanded comment my roommate made, who has BTW, supported Ron Paul for the last 4 years.

[poolkitty]

Listen to your roommate and forget about Fred. He won't win - he hasn't the stamina for the campaign. Who cares about Barry Goldwater, Jr.? Yikes - you are nuts. Listen to your roommate - give Ron Paul a chance. Quit trying to bring integrity to Fred via Goldwater, Locke, your roommate etc. Fred is a whore - face it. Has anyone even considered his checkered sexual past? Yet again one more defining difference between Fred and Dr. Paul

[mandragola4life]

Let's be serious, Thompson does not stand a chance of winning. Ron Paul is the only one who can realistically beat the democrats next November

[Brak2002]

What are you talking about? Look at the polls. Plus have you ever seen Thompson in a roundtable debate. He is probably the most intelligent guy in the presidential race. All Ron Paul knows about is the Constitution and the economy. Thompson has spent his Senate career pwning democrats in debate and he beat two different democrats by 20% of the vote just on his debate performances.

[siberpredahtor]

what else do you need to know besides the constitution and the economy?

[Brak2002]

Having foreign policy experience would be nice. Maybe you should tell Ron Paul to come up with proposals he's going to implement when he's president. Thompson's the only candidate who has made a serious effort to come up with detailed plans on reforming the government.

[jcline87]

Ron Paul isn't going to add more programs and proposals. He is limiting the government and getting rid of the ridiculous proposals and plans in place now.

[Brak2002]

I specifically said "proposal", not "program". A proposal just simply says what action you are going to take as president to achieve a goal. Most of Thompson's goals are similar to Paul's.

[purgerecords]

Fred Thompson needs jumper cables just to give a response during a debate. As Nixon said "Oh shit, he's dumb as hell!"

[Brak2002]

First of all Nixon didn't even know Thompson when he said that remark. Thompson was specifically chosen by Howard Baker to be minority consel for Watergate. And I bet you Thompson could beat anyone in a debate, even your Ron Paul. He has offered to debate any candidate willing to face him at a roundtable but no one has challenged him yet.

[purgerecords]

First of all, exactly where did I state my support for Ron Paul? That's presumptuous. As for your other comments, Nixon indeed knew Thompson and just how much of an idiot he was. He clearly states this in the transcripts of the Nixon tapes in Stanley Kutler's "Abuse of Power: The New Nixon Tapes."

I will continue in next comment...

[purgerecords]

Haldeman: I guess that's the way it is. Is this Fred Thompson the young guy from Tennessee?

Nixon: Yes.

Haldeman: Do you know him?

Nixon: Yes. He is a young kid.

Haldeman: Well, we're stuck with him. Yes.

Nixon: Yeah, I know.

[purgerecords]

This is what a disaster looks like: Fred Thompson, the former future "savior" of the Republican Party, looking droopy-eyed and jowly in a black leather jacket and tan ten-gallon hat, wandering like some lonesome lost cowboy through the snows of southeastern Iowa in search of voters - and not finding many.

[Brak2002]

Well, do you support Ron Paul? I bet you anything Fred Thompson is smarter than Ron Paul when it comes to Constitutional Law and Internation Relations. Have you seen Thompson's 1994 debates where he went from 20% down to being 20% up just before election night?

[poolkitty]

I'm from Tn and Love him or Hate him, Fred Thompson is one of us. Personally, I don't think it is a question of who is smarter the Doc or the Lawyer but rather a question of integrity. BTW an attorney really SHOULD have better debating skills than an OB/GYN. Between acting gigs also did a stint as a lobbiest. Hi My name is Fred Thompson, I am not the president, I just play one on tv.

[Brak2002]

Yes, people with degrees in law usually work for law firms or lobbying firms depending on what branch of government its focus is on.

[poolkitty]

Gee, do ya think? You missed my point... which is... That while Dr. Paul has worked for "the people" his entire career both as an OB/GYN and in his current position, Fred has a career history (like most attorneys - no disrespect intended) of working to advance the interests of whichever side they are PAID to represent. Consistancy of beliefs, integrity, honor, a life lived by example, these are the points of distinction worthy of consideration. I'm not anti-Fred. I am 100% pro Ron Paul 2008!

[Brak2002]

Why do you think Fred Thompson started out a the District Attorney for Middle Tennessee? While Thompson was prosecuting criminals, including Richard Nixon, Ron Paul was getting big, fat paychecks that usually come with being a private practice doctor. The only time you should respect a doctor is when they work in free clinics or volunteer in a 3rd-world country. Not the ones that get the big paychecks. Nothing wrong with getting money but you can't say it's honorable.

[poolkitty]

So now you claim to be privy to Dr. Paul's income back in the 70's? Ron Paul never accepted medicare payments from patients and instead provided care at no cost to those who could not afford care. Gee you made my case. You just proved that Dr. Paul is worthy of respect. How much of the government's money did DA Fred reject? Dr. Paul opted out of the congressional pension plan. Has Fred EVER walked away from a paycheck? See it still comes back to a life lived by example. RP 2008!

[Brak2002]

Does Ron Paul believe in term limits or is he another lifelong politician? Seeing how Thompson worked as a government prosecutor, his only source of income has to come from the government or did you forget that. I guess you want to fire all of the prosecutors? Many doctors don't accept medicare, not because of principle, but because they loose money if they do. Paul may opt out of his pension, but he sure has a taste for earmarks for his district.

[poolkitty]

Gov must not have paid Fred enough cuz he 1st went to hollywood & then to washington to lobby for the banking industry. Re: your comment on doctors loosing money if they accept medicare - pretty fuzzy math dude. Reduced fees versus no fees - pretty stupid to choose no fee because they "will loose money if they do". Your earmark comment suggests that ethical attorneys working pro bono should make sure their clients don't win any monetary awards. Stop before you completely embarrass yourself.

[howtogrill1]

Ron Paul beats them all in the debates, in all the issues and most of all his record which shows that he is not a special interest puppet like ALL the rest. And actually has convictions and loyalty to his country and the American people :) We have not had a candidate like Ron Paul since, well, since the time that we truly needed one. And now we do.

[Brak2002]

Have you taken a look at Thompson's record? He has followed in the footsteps of his mentor Howard Baker and became a conservative in college after reading Goldwater's book. Can you find a case where Thompson was a puppet for special interest? I've been a fan of his for a long time and I have never seen him wander that far from the Goldwater conservative philosophy. He's the leading senator with 99-1 votes because he thought those issues were better left up to the states.

[howtogrill1]

Ron Paul also wants Many more issues left up to the states. And is fervently against this massive accumulation of federal control over all aspects of our lives. He has live and let live libertarian philosophy's which stand to maximize individual freedom. And votes on bills by whether or not they are expressly authorized by the Constitution. I mean what more do I have to say. There is not one other politician in Washington who votes that way.

[nkfallout]

did he say "in the end i'm voting for ron paul" ha ha that does sound like an endorsment

[CE174269]

Tucker has always been a Ron Paul supporter. Tucker knows the meaning of freedom. That is why he tells the Dems they aren't going to get any free stuff from a Paul administration. People have taken this as he does not support Paul, or he has an ulterior motive. This is not the case - quite the opposite.

[tosaha33]

Alright, I'm off the fence now. I heart Tucker.

[silus2000]

Well, considering he voted for Ron Paul before any of us knew shit about him, I dont think this is a surprise.

[misfit422]

haha, yea!

[jasonjasonjason1]

Woops. Slip of the tongue eh? :)

[OnslaughtFei]

DID HE JUST SAY THAT OUTLOUD

[kushaze]

wow this is way better than project awesome!!!

[Benaiahh]

Ron Paul for teh win.

[TheMarlin1776]

Good video.

[Sclorch]

Go Tucker!

[shagywashere]

Tucker voted for Ron Paul in '88

[believr77]

was he old enough to vote then?? :P j/k!