@Idonteatdog That is actually not a bad idea. The thing is that you can not simply stick two different wheels on. You need a frame that has an adapted geometry. We, and as I know others, have played around with such setups on fullsuspension bikes - what will actually become available to the public is yet to be seen.
What about cornering? This is kinda biased, cause what you may loose with your less angle of attack, you gain on the corners with a 26. If you aren't able to ride over a small block like that on a 26', you don't deserve to ride either of the two.
@KevinNeidorf I think the 29er simply roll better when you are descending in a rocky section. The 26 acelerates better and I guess it climbs better too. But the 29er will be a pain in the ass in a fast descending singletrack or a curvy downhill section.
There are tons of different 29er rigs, some work, some don't. We took great care to develop a frame platform that utilizes all the benefits of bigger wheels without compromising ride quality. You might want to check out twentynineinches website for a long-term-review of our Bergamont Revox Team.
I agree this is getting ridiculous, now I'm starting to see 36ers..if thats the rational why don't we just start mtn biking with those circus bikes with the huge front wheel, lol
it has been more than 30 years since mountain bike was made and now they are telling us that 29er wheels are better???????? hahahhahahaha hahahhahah, i really cant believe this.
@labradorsin Ever tried one? They are actually very good, not like earth shatteringly different but they do cover ground easily. And why not, some people may like them and for tall people, like 6'6" and above, they look pretty normal. Simple - don't buy a 29er if you don't like them.
@gaz0044 Sure i have, it feel really heavy, you dont have control over the bike, the bike controls you and thats not the idea... im 6.0 and i still dont get it, mountain bike its from the 80`s and 30 year late they are telling you that this huuuuge wheels are better??? why they dont do the same with road bikes??? just think of it... 26er are perfect, you dont need nothing else....
@Chorge1972 Na der Kritikpunkt hinkt dann doch gewaltig. Ich erinnere mich noch an die Anfänge der Downhill-Bikes, da mussten sich die Hersteller ganz schön was anhören, dass man mit so einem Bike gar nicht mehr den Berg hoch kommt. Heute ist dieses Segment absolut etabliert, nicht zuletzt weil die Hersteller ihre Überzeugung von guten Produkten verbreitet haben.
PS
Props für das intelligente Wortspiel, auch wenn wir da nicht einer Meinung sind.
@msrx08 We'll see how 27.5 (or 650B) will perform. There are some advantages for the construction of fullsuspension bikes especially above 100mm of travel. The future will show if this is enough to justify yet another wheel size.
Nevertheless we believe the 29ers are here to stay, especially for hardtails.
I bet you would be very suprised about the agility the 29ers of the Revox series has to offer - did you ever try one? Check the geometry and you will see that they are not that different than a traditional XC racebike, except with the added benefits of bigger wheels.
@rulfryder17290 That depends a bit on what you see as a technical trail. The bigger wheels do have the advantage of crossing obstacles a little better, making riding over roots or stones easier. If you have frequent changes of direction you might feel a little more drag than with smaller wheels.
@bergamont Wieso schreib ich eingentlich Englisch? xD ... ich bin dieses WE zum Händler gegangen und mal ein 29er Probe gefahren.. leider könnte ich nicht ins Gelände nur vor dem Laden bisschen rumfahren... aber ich fand das Fahrfeeling bisschen komisch. Vielleicht ist es nur ungewohnt aber ich denke ich bleibe bei den 26er. Eine frage noch die Kräfte die auf das Rad selber wirken sind durch den größeren Durchmesser aber auch stärker...das rad hält dadurch weniger aus.Dafür ne Lösung?
@rulfryder17290 Sprache ist doch egal so lange sich alle verstehen ;o)
Was die Stabilität von 29er Laufrädern angeht, so ist das im XC-Bereich unserer Erfahrung nach kein Thema. Würde man einen Freerider oder Downhiller mit 29" Rädern bauen, dann könnte sich das eher bemerkbar machen. Allerdings sehen wir in diesen Bereichen auch keine Vorteile für 29" Räder. Dort kommt es auf Stabilität und Wendigkeit an und das wird sicher das Terrain von 26" Laufädern bleiben.
@bergamont Wieso nicht gleich ein 36er ...ne kleiner spaß^^ okay dann sind 29er wohl nix für mich, da es bei mir meistens bergab geht ;) aber danke für die infos =)
As a manufacturer we did extensive testing on th advantages of 29er wheels, this included giving a Revox Team to one of our XCO World Cup riders to use for racing. All this resulted in now the 2nd generation of 29er frame geometries.
While I totally agree that the setup of a bike and the riders capabilities play a decisive role in how well/fast you cross terrain, in order to correctly compare 26" and 29" bikes you of course have to eliminate these factors.
if you cannot qualify yourself, then quantify. if you are not a real professional rider that has done physical tests on a 26 and 29 on different models. please do not post such irrelevant animation.
Yes, the animation does not consider the riders impact on a 29er bike, however, it does correctly display the benefits of bigger wheels. You could of course argue it is a little more drastic than it would actually occur in real life but then of course it is supposed to show only the theory behind bigger vs. smaller wheels.
We are well aware that 29ers are an emotional topic, you are all more than welcome to discuss and post your criticism but please check your language - thanks!
Make it like off-road motorcycles. 29er in the front, 26 in the rear. It will rode easier and will acelerate like a 26.
Idonteatdog 1 week ago
@Idonteatdog That is actually not a bad idea. The thing is that you can not simply stick two different wheels on. You need a frame that has an adapted geometry. We, and as I know others, have played around with such setups on fullsuspension bikes - what will actually become available to the public is yet to be seen.
bergamont 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Exactly. With the adequate geometry, it will blend.
Idonteatdog 1 week ago
hahahahaha thats hilarious
del4m3u 1 week ago
What about cornering? This is kinda biased, cause what you may loose with your less angle of attack, you gain on the corners with a 26. If you aren't able to ride over a small block like that on a 26', you don't deserve to ride either of the two.
KevinNeidorf 1 week ago
@KevinNeidorf I think the 29er simply roll better when you are descending in a rocky section. The 26 acelerates better and I guess it climbs better too. But the 29er will be a pain in the ass in a fast descending singletrack or a curvy downhill section.
Idonteatdog 1 week ago
There are tons of different 29er rigs, some work, some don't. We took great care to develop a frame platform that utilizes all the benefits of bigger wheels without compromising ride quality. You might want to check out twentynineinches website for a long-term-review of our Bergamont Revox Team.
bergamont 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
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I agree this is getting ridiculous, now I'm starting to see 36ers..if thats the rational why don't we just start mtn biking with those circus bikes with the huge front wheel, lol
toodriveuwild 2 weeks ago
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toodriveuwild 2 weeks ago
26 FOREWER
boby88CZ 2 weeks ago 9
29er = only marketing
Esquiador2011 3 weeks ago 2
@Esquiador2011 Have you tried one?
Mattisaacs6516 2 weeks ago
it has been more than 30 years since mountain bike was made and now they are telling us that 29er wheels are better???????? hahahhahahaha hahahhahah, i really cant believe this.
labradorsin 3 weeks ago 2
@labradorsin Ever tried one? They are actually very good, not like earth shatteringly different but they do cover ground easily. And why not, some people may like them and for tall people, like 6'6" and above, they look pretty normal. Simple - don't buy a 29er if you don't like them.
gaz0044 2 weeks ago
@gaz0044 Sure i have, it feel really heavy, you dont have control over the bike, the bike controls you and thats not the idea... im 6.0 and i still dont get it, mountain bike its from the 80`s and 30 year late they are telling you that this huuuuge wheels are better??? why they dont do the same with road bikes??? just think of it... 26er are perfect, you dont need nothing else....
labradorsin 2 weeks ago
@labradorsin Road bikes are 700c (basically a 29er). But I do believe you "don't get it"
Mattisaacs6516 2 weeks ago
@labradorsin I agree, they should never improve anything. My 30 year old car is way better than my 2012. you nailed it, keep up the great responses.
Mattisaacs6516 2 weeks ago
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labradorsin 3 weeks ago
Ist schon erschreckend, wenn die Hersteller Überzeugungsvideos hochladen müssen, nur um sinnlose Dinge zu vermarkten!!
TwentyNEIN!!!
Chorge1972 3 weeks ago
@Chorge1972 Na der Kritikpunkt hinkt dann doch gewaltig. Ich erinnere mich noch an die Anfänge der Downhill-Bikes, da mussten sich die Hersteller ganz schön was anhören, dass man mit so einem Bike gar nicht mehr den Berg hoch kommt. Heute ist dieses Segment absolut etabliert, nicht zuletzt weil die Hersteller ihre Überzeugung von guten Produkten verbreitet haben.
PS
Props für das intelligente Wortspiel, auch wenn wir da nicht einer Meinung sind.
bergamont 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I don't believe it. This is marketing. 29ers are dead. Now it's 27.5ers era. Then will die soon. Only 26er will remain.
msrx08 4 weeks ago 8
@msrx08 We'll see how 27.5 (or 650B) will perform. There are some advantages for the construction of fullsuspension bikes especially above 100mm of travel. The future will show if this is enough to justify yet another wheel size.
Nevertheless we believe the 29ers are here to stay, especially for hardtails.
bergamont 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
rolf xD are you serious???? The advantage of the 29er lost in the turns and handling
it´s only a new sale strategy to sale this useless MTBs!!!!
rulfryder17290 1 month ago
@rulfryder17290
I bet you would be very suprised about the agility the 29ers of the Revox series has to offer - did you ever try one? Check the geometry and you will see that they are not that different than a traditional XC racebike, except with the added benefits of bigger wheels.
I dare you try one :)
bergamont 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@bergamont Okay ill try one... but what´s on a technical trail track? Are there benefits too.... of the bigger wheels ?
rulfryder17290 1 month ago
@rulfryder17290 That depends a bit on what you see as a technical trail. The bigger wheels do have the advantage of crossing obstacles a little better, making riding over roots or stones easier. If you have frequent changes of direction you might feel a little more drag than with smaller wheels.
bergamont 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@bergamont Wieso schreib ich eingentlich Englisch? xD ... ich bin dieses WE zum Händler gegangen und mal ein 29er Probe gefahren.. leider könnte ich nicht ins Gelände nur vor dem Laden bisschen rumfahren... aber ich fand das Fahrfeeling bisschen komisch. Vielleicht ist es nur ungewohnt aber ich denke ich bleibe bei den 26er. Eine frage noch die Kräfte die auf das Rad selber wirken sind durch den größeren Durchmesser aber auch stärker...das rad hält dadurch weniger aus.Dafür ne Lösung?
rulfryder17290 4 weeks ago
@rulfryder17290 Sprache ist doch egal so lange sich alle verstehen ;o)
Was die Stabilität von 29er Laufrädern angeht, so ist das im XC-Bereich unserer Erfahrung nach kein Thema. Würde man einen Freerider oder Downhiller mit 29" Rädern bauen, dann könnte sich das eher bemerkbar machen. Allerdings sehen wir in diesen Bereichen auch keine Vorteile für 29" Räder. Dort kommt es auf Stabilität und Wendigkeit an und das wird sicher das Terrain von 26" Laufädern bleiben.
bergamont 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@bergamont Wieso nicht gleich ein 36er ...ne kleiner spaß^^ okay dann sind 29er wohl nix für mich, da es bei mir meistens bergab geht ;) aber danke für die infos =)
rulfryder17290 3 weeks ago
bike suspension, hardtails, bike geometry, tire pressure and size plays a part as well..
itcw 1 month ago
@itcw
As a manufacturer we did extensive testing on th advantages of 29er wheels, this included giving a Revox Team to one of our XCO World Cup riders to use for racing. All this resulted in now the 2nd generation of 29er frame geometries.
While I totally agree that the setup of a bike and the riders capabilities play a decisive role in how well/fast you cross terrain, in order to correctly compare 26" and 29" bikes you of course have to eliminate these factors.
bergamont 1 month ago
if you cannot qualify yourself, then quantify. if you are not a real professional rider that has done physical tests on a 26 and 29 on different models. please do not post such irrelevant animation.
trails, xc and downhill are not really the same
itcw 1 month ago
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itcw 1 month ago
Do you cover more area faster with the bigger wheels?
Christopher711 1 month ago
ja dasis coool
bertold12345 1 month ago
Complete nonsense. It leaves rider input and skill out of the equation.
Zanetti7 1 month ago 2
@Zanetti7
Yes, the animation does not consider the riders impact on a 29er bike, however, it does correctly display the benefits of bigger wheels. You could of course argue it is a little more drastic than it would actually occur in real life but then of course it is supposed to show only the theory behind bigger vs. smaller wheels.
@all
We are well aware that 29ers are an emotional topic, you are all more than welcome to discuss and post your criticism but please check your language - thanks!
bergamont 1 month ago