@therealag1 So you'd rush into a truck that's still rolling and risk getting uppercutted by five thousand pounds of SUV, effectively rendering you useless as first aid?
@Trikoupis it's not as easy when you're inside, if you've never done it, don't suppose before actually knowing it ain't that easy, especially when you've got a vehicle at an inclination like that where you can't just get out of it and see how things are. There's a lot you can't see through the windshield at that inclination.
For anyone who reads comments on this video I want to warn you not to pay any attention to those made by verasforzza. He will argue with you until his fingers bleed and use any number of childish insults and tactics to try and make his point. He will try to argue with you even if you are not arguing, and he will not stop. Trust me, he is not worth your time.
People arguing always trying to put down Jeeps, but how many cars do you know of that have kept the same design principle for 70 years? And the reasons Jeeps are so awesome is because of the easiness of upgrades and there is tons of aftermarket parts. They are just plain fun, and there is such a great feeling on a warm day with the top down.
@dnohl75 Yea, that's exactly their problem, the same design for 70 years, they refuse to innovate and that's why they've been left in the dust by Toyota (which has always been superior), and Land Rover, hell, I've seen Subaru's handle tougher stuff than some Jeeps.
@ I agree that Toyota makes some of the best,but a new Landcruiser cost about $80000. I used to sell Toyotas. And Jeeps have innovated, the new jeeps have lockers and dana 44's, but they have kept the basic design of the body is what I was talking about. I do have to say that I don't think a stock Toyota will ever outperform a stock Jeep Rubicon, but if it does Kudos. I love my Jeep and everyone has the right to love what they like. My jeep cost $7000 back in 1994 and is worth more now.
@dnohl75 No, a new Land Cruiser (now called the FJ Cruiser) cost $25K-$35K). THis is the hardcore pure off road vehicle, the bigger Land Cruiser is still off road capable, but meant to also be a luxury vehicle.
@CheesenCrackers69 Scientifically proven to be false. Nice try, but a few things called physics and mechanics (and I have a degree in Astrophysics from Stanford), say otherwise.
@verasforzza maybe stock yes, but have you analized one with 33's that are sitting further out, somewhat like the one in this video? Also did you test with a hard top or not? There are a lot of factors, but if you say so then I have to believe you. I'm a structural designer as well. I havent looked into the physics really but I do know the older landcruisers have somewhat narrow wheelbases.
@CheesenCrackers69 It's not wheelbase, it's the center of gravity. Search for "snow run on the box." A Jeep trying this would flip easily, this FJ with a huge lift, soft suspension and huge tires doesn't. Toyota's are designed with racing heritage and hardcore 4x4ing at high speed in mind (Baja 1000), Jeeps are designed to be cheap and profitable for a company who is going bankrupt.
@verasforzza I understand what you're saying but i wouldnt say it TERRIBLE. There are also more jeep rollovers because much more people drive jeeps around here. Also, many of them are drunk rednecks lol. I find my jeep does everything I could ever want it to, but I would love to get a FJ as well, look like great vehicles. I am a big toyota fan. Anyways, have a good day man.
@verasforzza Jeeps are cheaper because they have less accessories, Jeep allows the owner to choose how they want their Jeep and customize it to their liking just like Scion (which is made by Toyota) does. Jeeps have so much potential to be built into something great. I would think someone in Astrophysics would get this. A Jeep means a lot more to its owner, its American heritage, the community, the upgrade-ability, its a convertible SUV, and the fun factor is unbelievable.
@dnohl75 Not true, Jeeps are cheaper because the amount of R&D that goes into a Jeep is practically non-existent. Toyota Land Cruisers on the other hand are flown all over the world and tested in the toughest terrain/climates on earth. The newest Land Cruiser (FJ Cruiser) was driven all over the US for more than 30K mile without an oil change during which they took it to Moab, did the Rubicon, Paradigm, and dozens of other trails. It was abused to the fullest and out performed Jeeps by a mile.
@dnohl75 ... also, Land Cruisers are WAY MORE customizable. The Japanese are into tuners remember, you should see what I've done to my FJ Cruiser: 16"-18" King Racing suspension, URD Supercharger, ARB bull bars, snorkel and lockers, Sparco seats, 40 Gallon tank, Hella Ralley 4000 lights, Gobi rack, custom body and paint, exhaust, headers, CAI, Optima batteries, CB, stoptech brakes, 16" American Racing Mojave Teflons and 35" Toyo Open Country MT's (or Nitto Terra Grapplers), and endless gear...
@CheesenCrackers69 Do searches for Jeep rollovers and Toyota rollovers. There's hundreds of Jeep videos, hardly any for Toyota, and most of those are worthy rolls on super hard trails. This kind of flip on this trail is just bad mechanical design. When a novice girl can do this in a stock Toyota truck, and a Jeep can't, Jeep has some major problems.
Had a look Toyota rollovers today, plenty to choose from. All the ones favourited were not 'worthy' rolls on super hard trails. Amusingly many of the recovery vehicles were jeep.
@nihil5611 Not true. Simple not true. And all the one's where a Jeep "just happens to be there" to recover the Toyota are staged. They're videos designed by douchebag Jeep owners to make Toyota's look bad and make themselves feel better about their shitty purchase. Look simpleton, you can try to argue with someone who is far more intelligent, experienced, and invested in the relevant areas, but almost 7 billion people know that Toyota>Jeep any day. Only dumbass American hicks think Jeep is good.
Yeah Toyo rollover vids are all elaborate and costly hoaxes produced by jeep fanboy masterminds, sure that sounds plausible. It was just an amusing aside explained wholly by the high probability of Jeeps being used on trails in the U.S not a sinister anti-Toyo conspiracy or confirmation of Jeep superiority.
Perhaps if i were a simpleton i would be intimidated by your self-reported brilliance and frankly unimaginative personal insults.
@nihil5611 No idiot, you don't read. Go back and try again dumbass.
You ARE a simpleton, and my brilliance isn't self reported. It's earned me a weekly paycheck that's worth more than what you'll ever make in 4 years. It got me a full ride to U of Washington, Stanford, UCLA & Yale from which I graduated Summa Cum Laude. It's granted me membership to the Pi and Prometheus societies (members are the smartest people on Earth), and it's won me a MacArthur Fellowship.
@nihil5611 Fail. So the fact that Toyota can do all of the feats mentioned below and Jeep can do none of those doesn't make a convincing argument? It's fact, Toyota is a more able vehicle, FACT! "Go watch "How to Kill a Toyota." Show me a Jeep that can do any of that. Show me one Jeep that's reached 1 million miles. Show me a stock Wrangler doing the Rubicon trail with zero damage. Show me a Jeep driving to the North Pole and as a expedition 4x4 in Antarctica. They don't exist.
You are failing to grasp my point. This isn't about Toyo vs Jeep I have zero emotional attachment to Jeeps nor hate of Toyos. This is about your poor arguments, crass generalisations, outright lies and your superficial and unsound evidence. No amount of after the fact Toyo 'facts' spamming, name calling and appeals to your supposed authority change your arguments flaws. If you are going to go to a Jeep vid and troll please do it convincingly.
@nihil5611 More failure. I'm not going to even bother to tear apart your pathetic attempts to construct a thesis statement. Like I said, this conversation is OVER. It just goes to show how desperate you are to argue with someone of superior mind that you simply don't just shut the fuck up. It's over, done, you lost, finito, deal with it, have a beer, cry yourself to sleep, whatever, I could care less.
I double dare you to tear me apart champ, I'd love to see you flail with that one; you have done so well so far. So I am the one who is desperate for an argument huh? Did i come to a Jeep vid to troll? This is not desperation it is finishing you off.
@verasforzza your a lying ass hole, i honestly am laughing to myself reading your comments on some videos. just because you still live with your mom at age 35 doesn't mean you need to come up with a false persona and pretend to be someone you're not. take it easy champ
@nihil5611 As for the faked videos, they've been proven to be false, the makers themselves often admit to making them for exactly the reason of trying to make Jeep look like a worthy 4x4.
Keep arguing douchebag, I have world records in my corner, you have fanboyism and American consumerist propaganda. Jeeps can't drive to the North Pole, can't operate in Antarctica, can't cross the Gobi or Sahara, can't reach Everest Base Camp, can't climb Mt Fuji, can't win the Baja 1000...
Im not a Jeep fanboy nor American or under the influence of its culture. I dont even hate Toyos, in fact a Hilux is on my shortlist for my next car purchase. Mind you they are not without their limitations such as their high CoG and proneness to lateral rollover.
@nihil5611 Hilux does not have a high center of gravity and they are not prone to lateral rollover. Again, made up bullshit in vain attempt to smear Toyota. Unlike you, I actually own a custom Hilux in amongst my fleet of 4x4s, and it rides on 38" tires with lift and suspension galore. Not only has it never flipped, but it is rock steady in the most off camber sketchy trail sections. The only vehicles I've ever rolled in are the Jeeps I've owned, rolling a Toyo requires serious FUBAR.
@nihil5611 Fail, my good friend Physics (or Astrophysics to be more precise) is hanging on my wall in the form of a diploma from Stanford where I graduated Summa Cum Laude. Nice try though jackass.
@nihil5611 ...can't run 50K miles without an oil change, can't climb a 70% grade, can't do a class 4 trail completely stick with street tires, can't last 350K miles on average, can't reach 1,000,000 miles on a single engine, can't traverse Patagonia, can't be blown up on top a 240 ft tall building onto cement, and drive away, can't be drowned in the ocean for 5 hours-then start up and drive away, have the interior torched and still function, make quality.
I love how you incorporate TG into your 'evidence', TG is nothing more than entertainment. If you believe everything in TG you would have to accept that RR Classics are more reliable than FJs (Bolivia Special). Many vehicles could take the abuse seen in the Hilux special, in fact TG Russia (lol) did the same sort of test with the infinitely cooler GAZ 66.
@nihil5611 IT happened, and it's not just entertainment, it's documentary style programming. The fact is they did that stuff, and not to a brand new Land Cruiser, it was a beat to shit Hilux with 200K + miles already hammered into it.
You're just another douchebag who want's to argue for the sake of argument. I'm a world explorer, I've led expeditions all over the world on all 7 continents, no matter where you go, the only thing that get's you there and back is a Land Cruiser.
It also happened for the GAZ 66. The GAZ was a 62 model ex soviet army so please spare me the 200+ miles hammered into it melodrama, its a farmers car from Britain for God's sake!
@nihil5611 Just give it up dude, this conversation is over, you've lost. I've proven you wrong countless times. You aren't just arguing with me now, you're arguing with physics and mechanics, fields in which I am an expert and have degrees from the world's most prestigious Universities. I'm rich and own everything from Jeeps to a fleet of TLC's, a Unimog, 2 Pinzgauers, G55 AMG, LR Def 110, TLC Icons, I know and have more experience than you. You just want to argue and you are profoundly ignorant
Thats the thing, you have not proven a single point, won anything or shown me to be wrong. References to YT searches, which were shown to be not only contradictory but intellectually naive and citing TG episodes as evidence are wholly inadequate in supporting your claims. Claiming ownership or expertise is not proof and the fact that you resort to that and name calling speaks volumes about you. You have carried on like a spoilt child who hasn't got their own way.
@nihil5611 And again you're wrong. First off there are more than 20x more videos featuring Jeeps rolling over than Toyota; but far more important is the manner in which the rollover occurs. There aren't any videos of Toyotas making slow left turns in mall parking lots and flipping. No Toyota idling on a boulder, then hit the gas and do a backflip. No Toyota's driving into a river on accident and killing their car. Nothing like this video. Jeep owners IQ is about 90, Toyota owners IQ is about 115
@ilkill3dil Fail. The Toyota accelerator issue isn't something that occurs on any Land Cruiser, or any Japanese made vehicle for that matter. It only occurs on American made versions. Also, the issue wasn't Toyota's fault, they didn't make the parts, a 3rd party did, and those same parts are found on millions of American cars. The difference is that Toyota corrects the problem for free, other companies pretend it doesn't exist despite there being way more instances of the problem in US cars.
Searching Toyota rollover produces approx 1300 results versus Jeeps 1700. Not that these results are meaningful given the multitude of variables unrelated to vehicle capability that are not or cannot be controlled for. Presumably you dont believe that a UAZ is superior to a Toyo given there are only 11 rollover results? At best Utube can give an indication of general trends no more.
Why in the world does every video I watch have to have someone saying how a toyota could have done that better or a jeep or whatever? Why cant it be about just getting a little dirty and having a fun day on the trails? anything will roll if you dont drive properly. I think its all about personal preference, just drive what you like and let everyone else do the same.
@HerrOverKill Because if you want to go out and have fun, and more importantly RETURN home from having fun, then you don't want to buy a vehicle that is notorious for flipping. Jeeps have always been terrible at rollovers, but now the latest models (last 15 years or so), they now do this wheelie-backflip-rollover of death that you see here and in a few hundred other Youtube videos. This person was very lucky, but many others are ending up paralyzed, maimed or dead... another reason why Jeep suck
@HerrOverKill No, Jeeps flip. From an engineering design perspective, Jeeps are much more likely to flip, it's basic physics. Just do a search on Toyota flip, you get a handful of results; now to a Jeep flip search, there's hundred of results. Jeep are poorly designed, why do you think a Toyota can do 130mph through the desert on a Baja course and not flip, where a Jeep doing 70 on the same course rolls catastrophically?
@verasforzza Theres obviously nothing I can say that will stop you from attacking the jeep design, but I dont really care. I will continue driving my Jeep and you can drive whatever you want. And thats that.
@HerrOverKill You're right for once, nothing you can say will change the fact that Jeeps are cheaply designed. You can continue to argue with me, but I do have degrees in Astrophysics and Architectural Engineering (and several others) from Yale, Stanford, UCLA, and U of Washington. Jeep owners don't care about such details, you just want one because ads tell you to buy one. The best things are never advertised, you don't see Toyota Land Cruiser commercials, the entire world knows they're #1.
@verasforzza You are the only one arguing with anyone. I don't watch/ read ads, and even if I did i personally like the older jeeps over new ones. And if the best things don't need to be advertised, why are you so bent to convince everyone on youtube that your brand is better? Seems like someone of your education level shouldn't be wasting time trying to start conflicts with people on the internet......
@HerrOverKill I'm not, and Toyota isn't "MY" brand. I drive Unimogs, Land Rovers, Pinzgauers, custom Jeeps, original Hummer, TLC's and Toyota's... it's because I've wheeled all of these on all 7 continents through the world's toughest terrain/climates that I know Toyota is by far the best. Think about it, people like me who are super wealthy always choose one 4x4, we can buy any vehicle we want, but it's always the Land Cruiser. It speaks for itself.
I love this shit. Idiots that do useless things to prove they're macho. Four wheel drives were invented to DO something, like get you into the back country to where the good fishing is. A means to an end. Not an end in itself.
@cfenus Not in your wildest dreams kiddey poo. Unlike you, I actually own a bunch of custom high-end Land Cruisers, 2 FJ Cruisers and an AEV Jeep, and a Unimog, 2 Pinzgauers, 2 TLC Icons, a LR Defender 110, G55 AMG, RR Sport SS... so I know what is and what is not good for off roading. Jeeps just don't come close to Toyota's.
"i bet u havent even drived a car and u talk bs here"
Wow, excellent grammar there sport, I haven't "drived" a car. Come back when you graduate 2nd grade.
@6Camel6Finger6 the problem is, when he started to have problems, the spotter was outta his line of sight. guess the spotter doesn't know you don't just stand still when guiding someone.
Note the wheels are still spinning as it comes to rest. when will people learn to drive?
Choperpilot2b 3 months ago
That was epic
MooperSC 4 months ago in playlist More videos from panteamarius
Ass hole
supermuneco 9 months ago
heres what he could have done was let go of the brake retard
gorelord187 1 year ago
all of u suck in the vid put the camara doun and help retards i feel like putting you on a truck on fire
abieljurado1 1 year ago
wow no dont rush over there to see if hes okay, just stand and watch the jeep flip over 5 times
therealag1 1 year ago
@therealag1 So you'd rush into a truck that's still rolling and risk getting uppercutted by five thousand pounds of SUV, effectively rendering you useless as first aid?
Brilliant.
TestECull 1 year ago
If there is someone else instructing: 1) Why even do this sport, 2) find another way to spend your extra money
Trikoupis 1 year ago 6
@Trikoupis it's not as easy when you're inside, if you've never done it, don't suppose before actually knowing it ain't that easy, especially when you've got a vehicle at an inclination like that where you can't just get out of it and see how things are. There's a lot you can't see through the windshield at that inclination.
95stangdude 9 months ago
spotter caused that...dickhead
chrospoke 1 year ago
@chrospoke no he didnt he was telling the driver to go the other was and the dumbass driver didnt
johndevinaspre676 1 year ago
For anyone who reads comments on this video I want to warn you not to pay any attention to those made by verasforzza. He will argue with you until his fingers bleed and use any number of childish insults and tactics to try and make his point. He will try to argue with you even if you are not arguing, and he will not stop. Trust me, he is not worth your time.
HerrOverKill 1 year ago
gee, how'd ya guess!
kentuckyjoehaynes 1 year ago
So two fags are walking down the street. One fag says to the other...
kentuckyjoehaynes 1 year ago
@kentuckyjoehaynes If the fags you're referin' to are nihil and versa you hit the nail on the head!!!
1hyllek 1 year ago
Honey I scratched the car on the way home! FAIL!
yaktur 1 year ago
Way to listen to your spotter.
MTLKEBEK 1 year ago
People arguing always trying to put down Jeeps, but how many cars do you know of that have kept the same design principle for 70 years? And the reasons Jeeps are so awesome is because of the easiness of upgrades and there is tons of aftermarket parts. They are just plain fun, and there is such a great feeling on a warm day with the top down.
dnohl75 1 year ago
@dnohl75 Yea, that's exactly their problem, the same design for 70 years, they refuse to innovate and that's why they've been left in the dust by Toyota (which has always been superior), and Land Rover, hell, I've seen Subaru's handle tougher stuff than some Jeeps.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@ I agree that Toyota makes some of the best,but a new Landcruiser cost about $80000. I used to sell Toyotas. And Jeeps have innovated, the new jeeps have lockers and dana 44's, but they have kept the basic design of the body is what I was talking about. I do have to say that I don't think a stock Toyota will ever outperform a stock Jeep Rubicon, but if it does Kudos. I love my Jeep and everyone has the right to love what they like. My jeep cost $7000 back in 1994 and is worth more now.
dnohl75 1 year ago
@dnohl75 No, a new Land Cruiser (now called the FJ Cruiser) cost $25K-$35K). THis is the hardcore pure off road vehicle, the bigger Land Cruiser is still off road capable, but meant to also be a luxury vehicle.
verasforzza 1 year ago
hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa
cruzte 1 year ago
SAFE
crvtlvr2 1 year ago
id put some of that on the guy directing him.
MrJPrebel 1 year ago 19
@MrJPrebel the guy directing him was going it right... stupid driver didnt turn the way he was pointing
Dazhimself 1 year ago
@MrJPrebel Spotter was telling him to go the other way...plus when you start going up like that you don't keep on the gas.
94XJ 1 year ago
@MrJPrebel Not at all: he points in the other direction about 2-3 seconds before the car flips. Watch the video again.
jmb283gt3 11 months ago
jeeps are less likely to flip then toyota landcruisers :)
CheesenCrackers69 1 year ago
@CheesenCrackers69 Scientifically proven to be false. Nice try, but a few things called physics and mechanics (and I have a degree in Astrophysics from Stanford), say otherwise.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza maybe stock yes, but have you analized one with 33's that are sitting further out, somewhat like the one in this video? Also did you test with a hard top or not? There are a lot of factors, but if you say so then I have to believe you. I'm a structural designer as well. I havent looked into the physics really but I do know the older landcruisers have somewhat narrow wheelbases.
CheesenCrackers69 1 year ago
@CheesenCrackers69 It's not wheelbase, it's the center of gravity. Search for "snow run on the box." A Jeep trying this would flip easily, this FJ with a huge lift, soft suspension and huge tires doesn't. Toyota's are designed with racing heritage and hardcore 4x4ing at high speed in mind (Baja 1000), Jeeps are designed to be cheap and profitable for a company who is going bankrupt.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza I understand what you're saying but i wouldnt say it TERRIBLE. There are also more jeep rollovers because much more people drive jeeps around here. Also, many of them are drunk rednecks lol. I find my jeep does everything I could ever want it to, but I would love to get a FJ as well, look like great vehicles. I am a big toyota fan. Anyways, have a good day man.
CheesenCrackers69 1 year ago
@verasforzza Jeeps are cheaper because they have less accessories, Jeep allows the owner to choose how they want their Jeep and customize it to their liking just like Scion (which is made by Toyota) does. Jeeps have so much potential to be built into something great. I would think someone in Astrophysics would get this. A Jeep means a lot more to its owner, its American heritage, the community, the upgrade-ability, its a convertible SUV, and the fun factor is unbelievable.
dnohl75 1 year ago
@dnohl75 Not true, Jeeps are cheaper because the amount of R&D that goes into a Jeep is practically non-existent. Toyota Land Cruisers on the other hand are flown all over the world and tested in the toughest terrain/climates on earth. The newest Land Cruiser (FJ Cruiser) was driven all over the US for more than 30K mile without an oil change during which they took it to Moab, did the Rubicon, Paradigm, and dozens of other trails. It was abused to the fullest and out performed Jeeps by a mile.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@dnohl75 ... also, Land Cruisers are WAY MORE customizable. The Japanese are into tuners remember, you should see what I've done to my FJ Cruiser: 16"-18" King Racing suspension, URD Supercharger, ARB bull bars, snorkel and lockers, Sparco seats, 40 Gallon tank, Hella Ralley 4000 lights, Gobi rack, custom body and paint, exhaust, headers, CAI, Optima batteries, CB, stoptech brakes, 16" American Racing Mojave Teflons and 35" Toyo Open Country MT's (or Nitto Terra Grapplers), and endless gear...
verasforzza 1 year ago
@CheesenCrackers69 Do searches for Jeep rollovers and Toyota rollovers. There's hundreds of Jeep videos, hardly any for Toyota, and most of those are worthy rolls on super hard trails. This kind of flip on this trail is just bad mechanical design. When a novice girl can do this in a stock Toyota truck, and a Jeep can't, Jeep has some major problems.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza
Had a look Toyota rollovers today, plenty to choose from. All the ones favourited were not 'worthy' rolls on super hard trails. Amusingly many of the recovery vehicles were jeep.
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 Not true. Simple not true. And all the one's where a Jeep "just happens to be there" to recover the Toyota are staged. They're videos designed by douchebag Jeep owners to make Toyota's look bad and make themselves feel better about their shitty purchase. Look simpleton, you can try to argue with someone who is far more intelligent, experienced, and invested in the relevant areas, but almost 7 billion people know that Toyota>Jeep any day. Only dumbass American hicks think Jeep is good.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza
Yeah Toyo rollover vids are all elaborate and costly hoaxes produced by jeep fanboy masterminds, sure that sounds plausible. It was just an amusing aside explained wholly by the high probability of Jeeps being used on trails in the U.S not a sinister anti-Toyo conspiracy or confirmation of Jeep superiority.
Perhaps if i were a simpleton i would be intimidated by your self-reported brilliance and frankly unimaginative personal insults.
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 No idiot, you don't read. Go back and try again dumbass.
You ARE a simpleton, and my brilliance isn't self reported. It's earned me a weekly paycheck that's worth more than what you'll ever make in 4 years. It got me a full ride to U of Washington, Stanford, UCLA & Yale from which I graduated Summa Cum Laude. It's granted me membership to the Pi and Prometheus societies (members are the smartest people on Earth), and it's won me a MacArthur Fellowship.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza
You didn't even come close to producing a convincing argument that can stand up to even mild scrutiny; the Pi society would be disappointed.
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 Fail. So the fact that Toyota can do all of the feats mentioned below and Jeep can do none of those doesn't make a convincing argument? It's fact, Toyota is a more able vehicle, FACT! "Go watch "How to Kill a Toyota." Show me a Jeep that can do any of that. Show me one Jeep that's reached 1 million miles. Show me a stock Wrangler doing the Rubicon trail with zero damage. Show me a Jeep driving to the North Pole and as a expedition 4x4 in Antarctica. They don't exist.
Next please.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza
You are failing to grasp my point. This isn't about Toyo vs Jeep I have zero emotional attachment to Jeeps nor hate of Toyos. This is about your poor arguments, crass generalisations, outright lies and your superficial and unsound evidence. No amount of after the fact Toyo 'facts' spamming, name calling and appeals to your supposed authority change your arguments flaws. If you are going to go to a Jeep vid and troll please do it convincingly.
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 More failure. I'm not going to even bother to tear apart your pathetic attempts to construct a thesis statement. Like I said, this conversation is OVER. It just goes to show how desperate you are to argue with someone of superior mind that you simply don't just shut the fuck up. It's over, done, you lost, finito, deal with it, have a beer, cry yourself to sleep, whatever, I could care less.
verasforzza 1 year ago 2
@verasforzza
I double dare you to tear me apart champ, I'd love to see you flail with that one; you have done so well so far. So I am the one who is desperate for an argument huh? Did i come to a Jeep vid to troll? This is not desperation it is finishing you off.
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 i read the comment and it sounded like a challenge so argue with me son
EDGAR15ish 1 year ago
@EDGAR15ish
Comment directed at verasforzza.
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 i got the wrong one never mind lol
EDGAR15ish 1 year ago
@verasforzza your a lying ass hole, i honestly am laughing to myself reading your comments on some videos. just because you still live with your mom at age 35 doesn't mean you need to come up with a false persona and pretend to be someone you're not. take it easy champ
ohiost8freak 11 months ago
@nihil5611 As for the faked videos, they've been proven to be false, the makers themselves often admit to making them for exactly the reason of trying to make Jeep look like a worthy 4x4.
Keep arguing douchebag, I have world records in my corner, you have fanboyism and American consumerist propaganda. Jeeps can't drive to the North Pole, can't operate in Antarctica, can't cross the Gobi or Sahara, can't reach Everest Base Camp, can't climb Mt Fuji, can't win the Baja 1000...
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza
Im not a Jeep fanboy nor American or under the influence of its culture. I dont even hate Toyos, in fact a Hilux is on my shortlist for my next car purchase. Mind you they are not without their limitations such as their high CoG and proneness to lateral rollover.
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 Hilux does not have a high center of gravity and they are not prone to lateral rollover. Again, made up bullshit in vain attempt to smear Toyota. Unlike you, I actually own a custom Hilux in amongst my fleet of 4x4s, and it rides on 38" tires with lift and suspension galore. Not only has it never flipped, but it is rock steady in the most off camber sketchy trail sections. The only vehicles I've ever rolled in are the Jeeps I've owned, rolling a Toyo requires serious FUBAR.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza
You and I both know they have a high CoG and are prone to lateral rollover. Here in AU we call them Rolluxes.
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 Nope, my good friend Physics proves otherwise.
verasforzza 1 year ago 2
@verasforzza
Your good friend Physics is laughing at you.
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 Fail, my good friend Physics (or Astrophysics to be more precise) is hanging on my wall in the form of a diploma from Stanford where I graduated Summa Cum Laude. Nice try though jackass.
verasforzza 1 year ago 2
@verasforzza
lol
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 ...can't run 50K miles without an oil change, can't climb a 70% grade, can't do a class 4 trail completely stick with street tires, can't last 350K miles on average, can't reach 1,000,000 miles on a single engine, can't traverse Patagonia, can't be blown up on top a 240 ft tall building onto cement, and drive away, can't be drowned in the ocean for 5 hours-then start up and drive away, have the interior torched and still function, make quality.
Toyota has done all of these and more.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza
I love how you incorporate TG into your 'evidence', TG is nothing more than entertainment. If you believe everything in TG you would have to accept that RR Classics are more reliable than FJs (Bolivia Special). Many vehicles could take the abuse seen in the Hilux special, in fact TG Russia (lol) did the same sort of test with the infinitely cooler GAZ 66.
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 IT happened, and it's not just entertainment, it's documentary style programming. The fact is they did that stuff, and not to a brand new Land Cruiser, it was a beat to shit Hilux with 200K + miles already hammered into it.
You're just another douchebag who want's to argue for the sake of argument. I'm a world explorer, I've led expeditions all over the world on all 7 continents, no matter where you go, the only thing that get's you there and back is a Land Cruiser.
verasforzza 1 year ago 2
@verasforzza
It also happened for the GAZ 66. The GAZ was a 62 model ex soviet army so please spare me the 200+ miles hammered into it melodrama, its a farmers car from Britain for God's sake!
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 Just give it up dude, this conversation is over, you've lost. I've proven you wrong countless times. You aren't just arguing with me now, you're arguing with physics and mechanics, fields in which I am an expert and have degrees from the world's most prestigious Universities. I'm rich and own everything from Jeeps to a fleet of TLC's, a Unimog, 2 Pinzgauers, G55 AMG, LR Def 110, TLC Icons, I know and have more experience than you. You just want to argue and you are profoundly ignorant
verasforzza 1 year ago 2
@verasforzza
Thats the thing, you have not proven a single point, won anything or shown me to be wrong. References to YT searches, which were shown to be not only contradictory but intellectually naive and citing TG episodes as evidence are wholly inadequate in supporting your claims. Claiming ownership or expertise is not proof and the fact that you resort to that and name calling speaks volumes about you. You have carried on like a spoilt child who hasn't got their own way.
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 And again you're wrong. First off there are more than 20x more videos featuring Jeeps rolling over than Toyota; but far more important is the manner in which the rollover occurs. There aren't any videos of Toyotas making slow left turns in mall parking lots and flipping. No Toyota idling on a boulder, then hit the gas and do a backflip. No Toyota's driving into a river on accident and killing their car. Nothing like this video. Jeep owners IQ is about 90, Toyota owners IQ is about 115
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza First off there are 20x more videos featuring toyotas accelerator getting stuck than jeep.
ilkill3dil 1 year ago
@ilkill3dil Fail. The Toyota accelerator issue isn't something that occurs on any Land Cruiser, or any Japanese made vehicle for that matter. It only occurs on American made versions. Also, the issue wasn't Toyota's fault, they didn't make the parts, a 3rd party did, and those same parts are found on millions of American cars. The difference is that Toyota corrects the problem for free, other companies pretend it doesn't exist despite there being way more instances of the problem in US cars.
verasforzza 1 year ago
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nihil5611 1 year ago
@verasforzza
Searching Toyota rollover produces approx 1300 results versus Jeeps 1700. Not that these results are meaningful given the multitude of variables unrelated to vehicle capability that are not or cannot be controlled for. Presumably you dont believe that a UAZ is superior to a Toyo given there are only 11 rollover results? At best Utube can give an indication of general trends no more.
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 There isn't just "rollover," there's flip, flop, roll, crash, etc, etc, etc.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza
Heres my favourite rollover vid for today, "4x4 crash and roll! Funny".
nihil5611 1 year ago
@nihil5611 Search "Jeep roll over," watch first video of an orange Jeep with a bunch of hicks in Texas... this isn't the exception, it's the norm.
Case closed, I win, we're done here.
verasforzza 1 year ago
The jeep is still there till this day.
VegensRCows 1 year ago
BIG DEAL ? THATS WHAT INSURANCE IS FOR...
SPYDER6014 1 year ago
Why in the world does every video I watch have to have someone saying how a toyota could have done that better or a jeep or whatever? Why cant it be about just getting a little dirty and having a fun day on the trails? anything will roll if you dont drive properly. I think its all about personal preference, just drive what you like and let everyone else do the same.
HerrOverKill 1 year ago
@HerrOverKill Because if you want to go out and have fun, and more importantly RETURN home from having fun, then you don't want to buy a vehicle that is notorious for flipping. Jeeps have always been terrible at rollovers, but now the latest models (last 15 years or so), they now do this wheelie-backflip-rollover of death that you see here and in a few hundred other Youtube videos. This person was very lucky, but many others are ending up paralyzed, maimed or dead... another reason why Jeep suck
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza Jeeps don't flip Jeeps, people flip Jeeps. and toyotas. and fords. and chevys. etc....
HerrOverKill 1 year ago
@HerrOverKill No, Jeeps flip. From an engineering design perspective, Jeeps are much more likely to flip, it's basic physics. Just do a search on Toyota flip, you get a handful of results; now to a Jeep flip search, there's hundred of results. Jeep are poorly designed, why do you think a Toyota can do 130mph through the desert on a Baja course and not flip, where a Jeep doing 70 on the same course rolls catastrophically?
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza Theres obviously nothing I can say that will stop you from attacking the jeep design, but I dont really care. I will continue driving my Jeep and you can drive whatever you want. And thats that.
HerrOverKill 1 year ago
@HerrOverKill You're right for once, nothing you can say will change the fact that Jeeps are cheaply designed. You can continue to argue with me, but I do have degrees in Astrophysics and Architectural Engineering (and several others) from Yale, Stanford, UCLA, and U of Washington. Jeep owners don't care about such details, you just want one because ads tell you to buy one. The best things are never advertised, you don't see Toyota Land Cruiser commercials, the entire world knows they're #1.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza You are the only one arguing with anyone. I don't watch/ read ads, and even if I did i personally like the older jeeps over new ones. And if the best things don't need to be advertised, why are you so bent to convince everyone on youtube that your brand is better? Seems like someone of your education level shouldn't be wasting time trying to start conflicts with people on the internet......
HerrOverKill 1 year ago
@HerrOverKill I'm not, and Toyota isn't "MY" brand. I drive Unimogs, Land Rovers, Pinzgauers, custom Jeeps, original Hummer, TLC's and Toyota's... it's because I've wheeled all of these on all 7 continents through the world's toughest terrain/climates that I know Toyota is by far the best. Think about it, people like me who are super wealthy always choose one 4x4, we can buy any vehicle we want, but it's always the Land Cruiser. It speaks for itself.
I don't start conflicts, I correct ignorance
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza
Except your own.
nihil5611 1 year ago
the power of one lacking intelligence greatly overpowers any tools at his disposal.
mcssls 1 year ago
sdgrerg
beneehall 1 year ago
I love this shit. Idiots that do useless things to prove they're macho. Four wheel drives were invented to DO something, like get you into the back country to where the good fishing is. A means to an end. Not an end in itself.
Morons all. Sad.
beneehall 1 year ago
LOL
Gunner3210 1 year ago
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ha ha ha fucking driver
horhel20 1 year ago
haha stupid asshole fuck your jeep
ijl1i 1 year ago
@ijl1i One word... 4 letters.... F-A-I-L.... But, he gets an A for effort.
Jerimiah1977 1 year ago
think he drove away ?
sansonk 1 year ago
@verasforzza lol jeeps can take easily any of those land cruiser u say, i bet u havent even drived a car and u talk bs here
cfenus 1 year ago
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@cfenus Not in your wildest dreams kiddey poo. Unlike you, I actually own a bunch of custom high-end Land Cruisers, 2 FJ Cruisers and an AEV Jeep, and a Unimog, 2 Pinzgauers, 2 TLC Icons, a LR Defender 110, G55 AMG, RR Sport SS... so I know what is and what is not good for off roading. Jeeps just don't come close to Toyota's.
"i bet u havent even drived a car and u talk bs here"
Wow, excellent grammar there sport, I haven't "drived" a car. Come back when you graduate 2nd grade.
verasforzza 1 year ago
Ha ha, shoulda baught a land rover mate......
syharvey10 1 year ago
@syharvey10 land rovers cant 4x4 dumbass. land cruisers can tho... stupid ass kid
aimettie 1 year ago
@aimettie man your stupid, I know syharvay made a stupid comment but yours is as daft! you sure don't know your 4x4's do you if you believe that.
fresky74 1 year ago
haha stupid
4000ijs 1 year ago
Itsy bitsy spider went up the water spout, down came the rain and wash the spider out...
Naturepheonix 1 year ago
Yeah but you bet they flipped that jeep over and it drove for another 140k miles, THAT is the real power of the jeep
nubanater12 1 year ago
@nubanater12 Yeah, I'm sure that happened. It's a Jeep, not a Land Cruiser, be real.
verasforzza 1 year ago
@verasforzza Lmao i was exaderating but hey, a few flips wont kill it
nubanater12 1 year ago
i got to try this
tec2able 1 year ago
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should have paid attention to the spotter...
danthman114 1 year ago
the bottom still looks nice!
4468861989 1 year ago
yeah some carnage poor jeep hope it was a new one not an old one+
wannamud2 1 year ago
resale value ..
zero..
chena3 1 year ago
jeep bodies are too flimsey
Onry1 1 year ago
WRANGLERU NU VALOREAZA O PULA !!!
tudorino66 1 year ago
wannabe rock crawlers...start off on something easy, then attempt the bigger crawls, unless you want to flip your truck
mmcclain88 1 year ago
@mmcclain88 Actually, Hell's Gate IS relatively "easy." Any stock Toyota truck/Land Cruiser will roll up this no problem.
verasforzza 1 year ago
that will just buff right out
dankebuddha 1 year ago 12
@dankebuddha Best comment for this video. LOL
fergiy89 1 year ago
I love how the hood falls open.
powerfulSubtlety 1 year ago
This is why you dont give idiots powerful things such as cars in this case
kmvtcamera 1 year ago
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Hey Jimmy! Check this shit out!
jeremy33E 1 year ago
Is the jeep okay?
supersk8t 1 year ago
its idiot
MrMercedesc63amg 1 year ago
i think he was a little too confident.how stupid.
03006217799 1 year ago
damn they scratched that mountian up X_x
RobCardIV 1 year ago
What a waste of money. Man if your going to do that it's probably best to buy a old one. But what do I know. Man that sucks.
vampov 1 year ago
@vampov no save the old jeeps. use the new ones for this
dean44100 1 year ago
unintended acceleration. who do i sue?
01sircharles 1 year ago
@01sircharles It was the new Jeep 'toyota'.
BBQChickenWingz 1 year ago
fucking dumbass still accelerating when hes halfway in the air. he deserved it.
MacDaddyPooty 1 year ago
Who is still saying "whoa" @ 32.5 seconds LOL. Such is life.
smoothdmoney 1 year ago
rotfl, it must be steeper than it looks
gixxed 1 year ago
you think it gunna stop at 26 but it keeps going
jjedogg23 1 year ago
that's why you have a spotter... to prevent that
JGuarrera61096 1 year ago
hahahahahaha
1900Rymond 1 year ago
haha. brilliant
gussie8hotmail 1 year ago
so can i buy parts off the heep, i mean jeep?
onthegaszr2 1 year ago
That totally sucks... lol
wolfbuzzFILMS 1 year ago
hahahahahahahahhaha & more hahahahahahahah xD
botztrap 1 year ago
Rofl
imyourhustler 1 year ago
did he can died ?
jmaer91 1 year ago
haha i like how he was still giving it gas even when his front two tires were in the air. not so smart... :D
woonkawonaka 1 year ago
its actually the spotters fault
nathanmc2006 1 year ago
please reconnect xbox controller
zerorobe 1 year ago 25
Pfft! My retarded cousin can do THAT!
1ring2rule3pigs 1 year ago
he zigged when he shoulda zagged
txcrawl 1 year ago 33
Ok, who's got their AAA card?
Axophelioma 1 year ago
What?!!
I just wanted to start over!!
botoheadboy 1 year ago
When he is rolling down he got no car control whatsoever :D
MrTiti 1 year ago
oleeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
artash007 1 year ago
Try again
CBONLA 1 year ago
you need buy other jeep LOL
JUEDUA 1 year ago
What superb skill. I didn't realise he intended to do that. It's amazing what you can achieve if you really try!
pseudotruth 1 year ago
its the other way you must go pahahah
svxdefender 1 year ago
haha he rolled up the hill
lespaulplayer09 1 year ago
Hahahahahahaha
vortex812 1 year ago 3
Why do people even take their cars on paths like these? theres other paths where theres a better chance of not flipping your 30 grand car. dumb ass
jtizz711 1 year ago
unintended acceleration?
AnimepimpYT 1 year ago
@AnimepimpYT your thinking of toyota
6Camel6Finger6 1 year ago
he better have been smart enough to install a roll cage. what a stupid driver tho
parker298 1 year ago
i bet that just made their day
xmikeox 1 year ago
hahahhaha
tony98221 1 year ago
lol
Ruffneck555 1 year ago
i mean its steep as hell,would you think would happened if you flipped on that hill????
gregoryeaston 1 year ago
haha that sucks
3rni3PL 1 year ago
he gave it too much power. needs to take it slow.
homeskateshop123 1 year ago
Why do they always land on the roof?
BCLions4Life 1 year ago
The crazy thing is .. with all the steel in these things, it was probably still drivable.
lastmiles 1 year ago
you could buff that right out. good as new:)
danman1522 1 year ago
STUPID DRIVER...
shinobi992 1 year ago
haha moron ! he show go to left side but he go to right side haha moron
AnerchX 1 year ago
lol last time he ignores his spotter
torchgun 1 year ago
Now THIS is fuckin hilarious. I'm sending this to my mother and everyone I know so they all can laugh at it. Why do I find shit like this so funny.
RegistrationCop 1 year ago
Was a nice jeep
Trx1127 1 year ago
another cretin city boy buys 4 wheel drive and trashes it. megalolz, keep em coming!
cutterschoicenotmine 1 year ago
yeah you guys would all know. cause your all pros. right?
grover1blake 1 year ago
lol
SuperAiden101 1 year ago
they're both tards. a good driver should only need a spotter sometimes and that wasn't even hard he just did everything he shouldn't. noobs.
treyson82 1 year ago
sorry bud but your wrong. that is one the most popular places in Moab to roll over. the problem was the spotter not sending him farther up the wall
Jeepeater97 1 year ago
STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gmendo915 1 year ago
no he is a stupid driver haha the guy
spotting him pointed the other direction
but he just gassed it instead try listen
carefully
3lowco 1 year ago
Hey he is not a stupid driver ... the man that was guiding him is stupid
CHADDIUS12 1 year ago
your wrong, if he listened to the man that was guiding him he would have never of flipped his jeep.
6Camel6Finger6 1 year ago 54
@6Camel6Finger6 is right the guy told him to go to the left but the guy kept his wheel turned the opptisite way and he fliped... Drivers fault.
zkillcow10 1 year ago
@6Camel6Finger6 the problem is, when he started to have problems, the spotter was outta his line of sight. guess the spotter doesn't know you don't just stand still when guiding someone.
bootyluvr6869 1 year ago