You heard people say- "it will never be found", "it ain't true", "it just can't be".
I'm here to tell you these People are wrong- I found it. Using Google Earth -
I found God's Watermarks of the REAL Garden of Eden. Look at my Channel and see the short Video I made of it. I didn't point all of it out either- there are many things still hid for you to find. There is even a picture of God- come see!
...sacrifice himself to give people salvation. And the original sin doesn't seem logical either. To think that everyone is born destined to go to hell is absurd. And i refuse to believe that an incomplete scripture is God's final guidance to us - specially since Jesus told us there would be another. I think the truth is the Paraclete recitation, just as Jesus tells us in the Bible.
The Islamic faith was started by the child that Jacob had with a slave woman. (When Jacob's wife said that she was too old to give birth when God said he'd give them their son)
After Jacob later had Isaac, they basically kicked the slave woman and her son out.
Long story short, the boy and his mother started it. (Because of Jacob and his wife's sin.)
@only1one1me It wasn't Jacob. Jacob was Issac's son You mean Abraham and Sarah. Sarah was old she thought she couldn't have children, so Abraham had a son with his maid Hagar and Hagar had Ishmael and his bloodline created Islam and Sarah had a son also, that was Issac, In Christianity Abraham gave him the birthright, if i'm not mistaken in Islam He gave Ishmael the birthright instead of Issac
In the bible, it states Issac had a son Jacob and Jacob's bloodline became the nation of Israel.
@FireSign27, as I stated am just asking am not sure if that is true i wanted to know. And If the Quran says Jesus is a Prophet and JEsus Says he is Son OF God then being God he aught to be worship. and to my knowledge isn ot Allah in the Quran stated to be a moon god who had 3 daughters Tamuz and i forget the other too. Am not comparing Bible to Quran that goes no where just trying to come to a resolution of truth.
@MrBlessed7 ALL religions are created by men to control the population. Bible is BS as well as the Koran and any other theology book. Try research the scientific and archeological evidense, you will be suprised how you find almost nothing to support any religion
The Bible is only BS until you are born-again. Many of the Christians today are NOT born again. I personally used to think it was all nonsense, that religion made you blind. Well I lived my life the way I wanted and was never truly completely happy, I had the heard the gospel of Christ here and there but never understood if completely until the time came I had had enough and gave my life to Him. Thats when i realized my life was a lie until I met Him, and He changed my life.
@oooalexo8 First off the gospels of christ doesnt exsist, there is no book of jesus. And if there was it wasnt written by him nor were the other gospels written by who you think. The bible is very easy to dubunk, there are no eyewitness writings in the bible. There is no proof jesus is even real. No historical records from his alleged time mention him NONE
It wasent until that moment that I had a passion to read His word, the Bible. The light of Christ shined in the darkness of the world, and in my life. I have made desciples that too agree, after being born again their life changed to the point they wanted nothing else but God. If you look back to Genesis we were made to worship Him thats all we had was God and we were completely satisfied with Him alone, and those truly in Jesus Chirst experience that today. God bless you lespauls61
That being said, I will NEVER deny Jesus, because it wasent until I accepted Him that my life changed. Not on my own account, but to God be the glory! A side note, my God is a God you experience, until you experience and have that relationship with Him, because thats what He longs for is for us to have that real relationship, he Loves us... OH HOW HE LOVES US! Praise you Jesus, if only I had half the love you have given me.
@lespauls61 not the bible. where in the bible does it say i have to attend the church. tru jesus alone. so i could do my studying as without having to look up to or follow someone like a paster
To whom ever it may concern, just want to Know the Quran says its only 95%accurate does it not, and 5% in accu. is that true. Also it says that Jesus is A Prophet, and we know a Prophet can not lie so that means Muslims aught to worship him, unless thats the 5%. Not arguing just asking, curious.
@MrBlessed7 Could you please tell me the surah where the Quran says it's 95% accurate?
And yes, Islam says Jesus was a Prophet. Islam also says Jesus is the Messiah, and will return to us before Judgement Day. Islam FORBIDS us to Worship anyone but Allah (The God, Creator)..
Allah makes it very clear that we should worship the Creator, rather than the Creation, and Jesus is very much the creation of Allah.
BTW Muslims woship no Prophets, not even Muhammad, it's Shirk.
Of course Islam doesn't want you to worship Jesus, the savior of the world. Why of course? It is backed by Satan. Islam is to fear God. Christianty is to fear God WITHOUT being afraid, because nobody is perfect and through accepting Jesus, he stands before God for us, because no man will enter the kingdom of God without accepting Jesus Christ. The way to the Father, is through the son, JESUS is the way, the truth, and the LIFE :) and my relationship with Him comes before ALL things.
@oooalexo8 And what proof do you have that Islam is backed by Satan? Also, since you seem to have a happy relationship with Jesus, i'm sure you're aware that Jesus couldn't reveal the full truth to us previously, since we couldn't bare it, but the Paraclete will come, and will deliver us into full truth by reciting words rebuking Sin, Judgment and Righteousness. Who is you're Paraclete, and where is his recitation?
@FireSign27 First off there is no satan so stop believeing in mythical beings created by ignorant humans. Jesus as well was a myth, mohammed was just a criminal/mass murderer
@lespauls61 I'm sorry, if you want to control what i believe, you will need to provide me with some evidence. Baseless statements and opinions are pretty useless..
What happened to all the child molester, rapist, power-greedy crap? So now he's just a criminal??
It's true what Islam says.. Falseness, by it's nature, is bound to perish.
@lespauls61 I'm sorry, but the Quran is a MUCH better 'base' than the Bible we have today... The Bible contains many a contradiction - so much so that it is painful to see how much the message of Jesus has been twisted by the hands of men... The Quran is a Miracle in itself. And i challenge you to find even a SINGLE contradiction in the ~1400 year old book.. One of the biggest contradictions in the Bible is the teaching that Jesus was killed on the cross.
@DasShape I've never held a rocket, and why would i fire one at a Jew anyway? If you want to stir up hatred between the monotheistic religions of God, find a less educated person to play games with. Muhammad was requested by the Jewish tribes of Yathrib to lead them out of a cycle and violence. The Jews gave Muhammad and the Muslims a safe place to stay when the Meccans were torturing and exiling them. And Muhammad solved their inter-tribe violence.
@FireSign27 muhammad is an idiot that pulled a religion out of a cave for his sandidiot brethren because they had no religion. he felt that his people were left out and when christians and jews wouldnt convert he went about slaughtering them. talk about a peaceful religion. there will not be virgins waiting for you in paradise
@smizerene Your comment shows how uneducated you are on Islam, and also that you need to read up on the Bible, too. In the Bible, the Kingdom of God was given to the Jews, then God took it away - and gave it to "a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof"... The nation is that of the descendants of Ishamel. By the Bible, Ishmael was a blessed wildman, whom God had made fruitful and will mutliply him into a great nation. Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael, and is of the Kingdom of God.
@FireSign27 i know the story of abraham mr. fire sign. we will never agree. the one thing i can say is that 3 major religions came from the patriarch of the jews. Islam extremist today are no better than the templars of mideavil times. if people would sit down and think about it they would know that god would not condone any of the killing in his name. i was raised on christianity. other people were brought up jews and still others on islam. can any fault the other for what they believe? no
@smizerene What exactly is an Islamic Extremist?? A person who kills innocent people in the name of Islam? The tihng is, islam forbidss killing unless its for the cause of Allah. And the Quran has made killing innocents forbidden. The only aggression allowed in Islam, is that in self defence or retaliation, and still there are many guidlines a Muslim must follow (Muhammad taught us to not even harm plants during times of wars). What exactly is an Islamic Extremist?
@FireSign27 well let me ask you this. Is someone who doesnt practice islam an infidel and should be killed in the name of allah? as far as the freedom of choice goes. what i was saying is because i am raised christian it doesnt give me any right to say someone who is a jew is wrong and condemn them. its not anyones fault for where they are raised whether it be you or i. its not for a person of islamic faith to condemn me as an infidel for being a christian either. we are all different
@smizerene Oh no, Muslims are forbidden to to kill people simply due to differences such as religion... Islam forbids compulsion in Religion. According to Islam - NOONE is required to be a Muslim, and EVERYONE is foprbidden to force their beliefs onto others. I do agree that if our parents force us into a religion, it can't be helped. But i think we all should question our beliefs, it's the only way we may find the truth (what every the truth may be)..
@smizerene For example, my beliefs in Islam could be completely wrong, but i have yet to come across a question that makes Islam seem incorrect. However, no offence, but with Christianity - there seems to be many illogical doctrines. Such as, why did God need to sacrifice himself to allow us into Heaven? Couldn't he simply forgive? And parts of the Bible actually agree with the Quran, and say that Jesus didn't die on the cross. Also, the Paraclete, whome Jesus prophecised, points to Islam.
@FireSign27 as u can tell i watch these types of videos looking for answers. Lately ive been reading books on ancient israel...which is where both our religions come from. what part of the bible says jesus didnt die on the cross?
@smizerene Yes, it is. At one point, many Christians used to hold the Apocalypse of Peter as the truth, since those days (realllly long ago), it seems to have been scrapped from Bibles, and discreditted. However, you can't really argue away the verses of the Psalms/Hebrews. To me, Jesus dieing on the cross isn't logical. Our creator is the best of creators, he created Heaven/Hell and the Universe (God know what else). I'm sure God wouldn't be limited by his creations, as to have to sacrifice..
@FireSign27 Bible is third person removed hearsay and is not to be taken literally. There is NO archeological or scientific evidence to support the myth. NONE OF THEM.
@lespauls61 So way wrong...there's over 50 sources of Jesus OUTSIDE the Bible even written by people who were enemies or nothing to gain. Also, see Sir William Ramsay, famous EX-atheist archaeologist set out to prove Luke, book of Acts wrong...after yrs. of digs, archaeology & history proved Luke correct to the detail! He said Luke was the best historian. Reseach the hundres of others that did the same & new discoveries also. There's more evidence of Jesus than most of history written yrs later!
@lespauls61 Find me a SINGLE verse in the Quran that commands Muslims to kill 'infidels', simply because they don't accept Islam... If a person tries to follow Islam, the ONLY time fighting is permitted for them is when they are defending themselves, or retaliating to an attack... And even when a Muslim is permitted to fight, there are many guidelines they should follow (like not even harming a plant)...
@FireSign27 9:123 "O you who believe, fight those of the unbelievers near you and let them see how harsh you can be. Know that Allah is with the righteous." (Fakhry’s translation)
9:73 "O Prophet, fight [j-h-d] the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be stern with them. Their abode is Hell, and what a terrible fate!" (Fakhry)
I'll await your reply. I'm sure it will be something to the effect of..."well those don't really mean that." Sure they don't. Tell that to the Jihadists!
@Headswithsacks Both 9:123 and 973 don't command ANYONE to KILL disbelievers - the command is to fight. Fighting doesn't have to be physical, people can fight with words - they do all the time. And i asked for a single verse where a Muslim is commended to fight (KILL, but forget about that if you can't find one) disbelievers, simply for not accepting Islam....
@Headswithsacks [cont] ... But the verses you provided are refering to the disbelievers who hide behind the name of Allah - the Hypocrits. Chapter 9 of the Quran is very clear about that. It gives plenty of details of the type of disbelivers it's talking about. People who say they are Muslim, but they don't give charity to the poor, they break their covenant with God, act stingy towards their 'brothers' in faith, critisize the contributors among the believers for giving effort/money as charity..
@Headswithsacks [cont 2] ... Chapter 9 gives plenty of description as to the specific kind of disbelievers the verses you mentioned are refering to. It is the hypocrits among the Muslims. A Muslim MUST follow the ENTIRE Quran, not part here and there. And like i said, a Muslim simply can NOT attack or kill a person for not accepting Islam. A Muslim can't start a conflict, and certainly can't harm any innocent people.
@Headswithsacks [cont3] To put things into perspective; Islamic doctrine says that the Hypocrits of Islam will be among the 1st people to enter the Hellfire. Being a Hypocrit in Islam is considered very bad. If a person doesn't believe in Islam, what do you think drives him towards lieing and telling everyone that he actually IS a Muslim (when he isn't)?? He could just say no, hes not a Muslim. Muslims can't harm non-Muslims unless non-Muslims attack 1st, fear has nothing to do with it...
@Headswithsacks [cont4] So what can a Hypocrit's motive be, for calling themselves a Muslim, when they don't believe in Islam, Heaven, and Hell? To me, an obvious answer would that they're trying to degrade the name of Allah, and the religion of Islam. Chapter 9 also says the Hypocrits are those who enjoin what is wrong, forbid what is right, and those who have forgotten Allah. If they simply didn't want to follow Islam, they could simply NOT follow it. but they choose to hide, and corrupt.
@FireSign27 A bunch of rhetoric from you which means nothing. Are you yourself a Muslim? Let me ask you a very simple question. Tell me...which verses from the Qu'ran do the Jihadists use to justify their killing? Tell me please.
@Headswithsacks Yes, i try to be a Muslim. And it depends on what 'Jihadist' killings you're refering to. Many people who talk about Jihad, or Jihadist Killings, have no idea what Islamic Jihad is, or don't realise that most killings they refer to are against Islam. The ONLY killing Islam justifies is where a person kills an attacker, after having been attacked by the attacker - and even then there are many guidelines. Which killings are you talking about though?
@Headswithsacks Hahaha. The 1st one you mentioned, the bomber kills 18 presumably innocent people in a bank. According to Islam, the person has killed the entire human race, 18 times over! Islam forbids the killing of even a single innocent person, and says it's the same as killing the entire human race. When people want peace, a Muslim is forbidden to break that peace. The Quran states: "Do not be an aggressor for God hates aggressors". You're not talking about Islam. Have a nice day.
@smizerene [cont2] If a religious person truely believes in the existence of a Creator, they should question their religion, it can only lead to better things. You either find more truthful beliefs, or learn more about your current beliefs. I find believing in a Creator very logical. And i think science itself is a creation of God, and so i tihnk the most truthful religion has to comply with both logic AND science. But we are all free to believe as we wish ofcourse.
@smizerene I appreciate that you do research on other religions. I do too. I've read up on many religions, some that most people likely haven't heard of before.. I'm particularly interested in monotheistic religions, and I kinda disagree with what u said. People shouldnt follow a religiony cause their parents did, people are repsoncible for what they believe, and shold strive to find truth. But we all do have the God-given freedom of choice, and will to do as we please at the end of the day.
@DasShape [cont] Why would i break that bond with the Jews, that Muhammad was a part of setting up? And why would i even tihnk to do so at the request of an unknown YTer who seems to have bitter feelings against my faith?.. Well i wouldn't. And Muslims and Jews both believe in the same God, we should live in peace, not kill. And i didn't ask anyone to believe my lies. I ask everyone to believe Muhammad's truths. He was nicknamed Al-Amin (The Truthful One) for 40+ years afterall.
@lespauls61 [cont] There are MANY verses in the Bible which contradict the wellklnown christian belief that Jesus Christ died on the cross. And The Apocalypse of Peter seems to confirm the contradiction. In the Apocalypse of Peter (one of Jesus's disciples), Peter's account is very very close to the Quranic account of what happened - and both Peter's account and the Biblical verses which say Jesus didn't die, are in perfect harmony with the Quranic verses regarding the subject...
@smizerene Ok, ok, but the Quran IS newer than the Bible - and the Quran IS much less altered than the Bible. And maybe you need to educate yourself on the Quranic AND Biblic 'account' of Jesus's crucifiction. The Quran says Jesus did not die. Ofcourse the Bible says that he DID die, for our sins. But then again, the Bible also says that he did NOT die also, and was SAVED. It is as clear as day in the Psalms and Hebrews, if you want quotes, ask. Contradictions are not hard to find in the Bible.
@lespauls61 [cont2] The Apocalypse of Peter was regarded by many early Christians as truthful, and many early Christians believed that Jesus did NOT die on the cross. Simply read it, if u want links, PM me... If you want me to provide the Biblical quotes i was talking about, ask me..
@lespauls61 Why do you kind of people always deem us Christians as unknowing of what we are talking about? Do you have a problem? Come on, spit it out.
Bob Cornuke (born 1951) is a controversial American writer and amateur archaeologist. Cornuke is president of the Bible Archaeology Search and Exploration Institute (BASE), which is operated from his home in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[1] He describes himself as a Biblical archaeologist, BUT HAS NO DEGREE OR TRAINING IN ARCHAEOLOGY
@0871368021 , you are being deceived. That fells you call jesus was not a jew. Go back and read what he told you about the nasty kike lizard jew.
DO you even know what a jew is? it is not a hebrew nor an Israelite. It is the formed stool of satan. You really should do some simple research and discover the truth. THe truth will set you free. Did you know that when you are dragged into the synagogue temple court, all you need is the truth and the evil black robed priest devil can not compete?
@attorneyde im saved by the precious blood of Jesus Christ...the JEWS messiah...who died for the world..that whosoever believeth in HIM with all their heart will not perish but have everlasting life...(u too if you want).. im saved by the GRACE of God (God's Righteousness At Christs Expense).. I have life eternal because of what He did for you and me..He willingly took the penalty for our sins so that thru Him we have life...He paid for my life in full with His blood.Only Jesus can heal you.
@0871368021 , do you know what a keephas is? Are you aware the 66 books you call bible are history books? Did you know the jews have deliberately remove over 450 years of this history? why is that? what do you know? Stupid joke about ferrets from con artist??
@attorneydestroyusa your not speaking the truth...and your house is built on sand.remember this..salvation is of the jews...when your drawing your last breath here on earth,there is only ONE name under heaven that promises to save anyone who calls upon the name of JESUS/YESHUA from their heart...REPENT,BELIEVE,BE SAVED..The Jews Maschiach is about to return and set His feet upon Mount Zion..so keep watching.He does not lie.He will do it and you will see it...
@0871368021 yeah sure thing. And when I come for you to ready you for tiral like the deceiver in this video, dont try to run. My sword has far reach. You havent a clue. But once ground support gets here, you fools will get in line. You wont be nailing me to a cross like you did me brother you willfully deceived fool. You are the recipient of the curse that fell on your fathers.
@EYEthatwatchestheEYE All animals "talk" most of us just don't speak language well. lol Look at dolphins, for example. Look at bees, for example. Look at the Chicago Bears fans, for example. lol
@lespaul the bible does not say the earth is flat. it says THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH haha what a dumb ass! you are a horrible agnostic you dont even have any valid reasons.
Go ahead and keep believing in fairy tales, there is NOT ONE SHRED OF PROOF that the bible is true. THere is no proof that there is a god. IF so show this proof.
You cant prove anything jesus related about the bible cause there is no proof outside the bible. Outside the bible jesus never exsisted.
@lespauls61 I agree, the Bible isn't proof that there is a God or no.. but evidence of a creator's existence is pretty obvious for those who actually stop and give it some thought.. Its highly logical that there is a creator of the universe. And Jesus does exist outside the Bible - i believe the Quran supports the existance of Jesus (as a human ofcourse - not a God)...
@FireSign27 The Quran isnt a historical record, its no more reliable than the bible.
Anything the Quran uses isnt eyewitness evidence and cannot be considered so, it is more hearsay. Any claims of supernatural abilities in the Quran cant be corroborated either. No historical or archeological evidence to support either
@lespauls61 The Quran contains historical events, guidance, and prophecies. Many of the prophecies in Islam have come true. The Quran also contains knowlege of modern science, despite being written in the early 7th century - when such knowlege simply didn't exist. The Quran also asks any disbeliver to find atleast 1 contradiction - not 1 has been found.. The revealation of the Quran spanned out over 22 years, yet the Quran remains very consistent. Quran is so much more reliable than the Bible.
@FireSign27 Historical events dont mean devinity. Lots a of books of fiction contain actual historical events, doesnt make it true. Eyewitness testimony would validate stories not centuries old hearsay, which is all you have. The Loran is no more true than the old testament or new testament. They are both fabricated stories of non witness's to further there ancient agendas, all those prophesies are easily debunked.
@lespauls61 Well the Quran is backed by the Hadith, a huge collection of relavent narrations and sayings of people in the time of Muhammad. And Historcal events CAN mean divinity - but without evidence, its not reliable. I also never claimed that historical events alone make the Quran reliable, there are many factors. Logic is also a big part. I very much doubt that you've read the Quran, or have a decent amount of knowlege of it, therefore YOUR words regarding the Quran aren't so reliable.
@FireSign27 600 years after the alleged jesus is hardly an eyewitness. If you dont have eyewitness testimoney all you have is hearsay. Hearsay is not scientific proof. What you have is even less reliable than the bible and we know the bible wasnt written by any eyewitness. Why didnt jesus write something down? Was he illiterate? If he was actually alive there would be historians from his time who would have written of him yet not one mentions him at all.
@lespauls61 Muhammad is not an eyewitness of Jesus, obviously - i never said that. However, the Quran DOES contain an accurate account of many things which the Bible accounted for, such a Jesus's life, AND ALSO PROVIDES MORE DETAILS on the events in some cases - than the Bible. NOONE could have known such things in the time of Muhammad. This further supports the divine origin of the Quran. I did not say Hearsay was scientific proof. However the Quran DOES contain modern science.
@lespauls61 Nope, the Quran isn't plagiarised from the Bible. Infact - the similarity is one of the PROOFS that Islam isn't false. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all from the SAME and SINGLE CREATOR. Judaism and Christianity are simply earlier, less complete stages of Islam. Jesus even prophesises about Muhammad, and says Muhammad will glorify him (Jesus). The Quran even documents certain details of certian events which even the BIBLE misses out - how could they be plagiarised?
@FireSign27 let me guess the fictional bible or fictional quran says this humm interesting that you use the fairy tale books to prove that its true. why not try a secular non biased source, bet you cant find any actual arceological records to support any miracles
@lespauls61 No, me and my research say it, and logic supports it. Who was talking about miracles? You said the Quran is plagiarised, which it isn't, and theres evidence for that. I supposey you're talking about Quranic Embryology. It's 100% correct, and was in the Quran since the 7th century. The ONLY other embryonic theories at the time were Galens, Hippocrates and Aristotle. Each one of those contain many major falsehoods, while the Quran contains NONE. Facts aren't really biased.
@FireSign27 Its all bull shit. anyone who believes in all this ancient crap is an idiot so what does that make you?? Mohammed new about fetus development because when he slaughtered pregnant women he cut out the fetuses
@lespauls61 And wheres your evidence that Muhammad killed pregnant women, and observed their foetuses? If you don't have any evidence - your claim is baseless, making you an idiot if you believe what you said. Theres a ton of proof that actually goes against what you just said. The Quran isn't Muhammad's own words, but the words of Allah revealed to Muhammad. Muhammads OWN words are recorded in the HADITH, not the Quran.
@FireSign27 Who cares if Mohammed killed pregnant women or not? Clearly people had done such research 100s of years before Mohammed was born and you don't have to be a psychic to understand that further development could have happened in embryology in the 500 years(!) between Galen's death and Mohammed's birth. The rational conclusion is that Mohammed's claims was common knowledge at the time. Just like his ripped off sumerian creation myth was considered common knowledge.
@Gnomefro No, Quranic Embryology was NOT common knowlege at the time - that is a very baseless claim. Hippocratic Embryology was the closest (time-wise) to Quranic Embryology, with a 423 year gap between the 2. Hippocrates believed the embryo was a PLANT, and converted into an animal, amongst many other things. The commong knowlege regarding Embryology at the time, is demonstrated in the HADITH - the common knowlege shown in hadith does NOT match up to Quranic knowlege.
@FireSign27 Also, the Qur'an is Mohammed's words as far as anyone, including all muslims, know. Nobody has ever observed any angels or Allah. It's fine that you want to believe in transcendental creatures with no evidence whatsoever - but realize that when you do, you are using special pleading to justify belief in that particular creature. With that methodology you can't rationally dismiss any superstition or myth. Not even the Loch Ness Monster.
@Gnomefro No, the Quran is Muhammad's words, as far as anyone APPART from Muslims, are concerned. You are a fool if you think that i believe in Islam when i have no evidence of it's truth. Beliving in Islam is much much different than believing in the existence of the Loch Ness Monster. I can easily dismiss any superstition, or myth - providing there is no evidence supporting it. My methodology is, if there is evidence - i will believe.
@FireSign27 It's pretty fucking amusing that you're a muslim and dare demand evidence for the null hypothesis that Mohammed came about all his knowledge like everyone else does. You're essentially attempting to make Islam the null hypothesis that must be accepted if we don't have evidence that Mohammed wasn't a prophet.
Even if the embryology was right, it does nothing to show there was a revelation. Embryology is a physical process that doesn't need revelation to be discovered, even by nomads
@Gnomefro Im glad you find me amusing, however theres nothing funny in what i said. If you tihnk that asking for evidence is amusing, you have no place in preaching about hypothesis. I claim Muhammad was a prophet, you claim otherwise. I have my evidence, and so it is only natural, and quite logical, that i ask you for the evidence you have that allows you to come to your conclusion. If you want laugh at me, whilst not providing any evidence - thats fine, although pathetic.
@Gnomefro Well, in the circumstances of Muhammad, Embryology DID need to be revealed. Muhammad was an illiterate, who could'nt read or right. Even so - he didn't carry out any experiments, or research into human development. He was in a world of errors regarding embryology. Muhammad simply recited, and his recitation contained correct Embryology. Knowlege can't normally be gained without attempting to acquire it in the 1st place - yet Muhammad seemed to gain it without experimenting.
@FireSign27 Historical records as well as your koran tell stories of him sluaghtering thousands of civilians, so naturally theres going to be some pregnant women in there. Even the Christian fairy tale has the same atrocities, so why would the islam fairytale be different.
@lespauls61 Would you care to mention one of the events by name? You know, where Muhammad apparently slaughtered thousands of civilians.
BTW, if you want to play at that methodology, thats fine... Muhammad was well known for being an honest and trustworhty man, for 40 years of his life. "So naturally" he wasn't lieing regarding Islam.
Victims: 4 Merchants from Quraysh tribe of Mecca, the Tribe to which Mohammed himself belonged. Four UNARMED merchants were travelling to Mecca to sell their goods consisting of raisins, honey and animal skins. Mohammed's gang attacked the helpless men from behind and stabbed two of them to death. They plundered all the goods as booty and Mohammed got one fifths of the share.
Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans
Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D
Place: The well of Badr
Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them. Mohammed set out to raid the caravan with 300 men. The Muslims killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom had his head chopped off.
@lespauls61 Muhammad and his followers were exiled from Mecca, they lived in Mecca for 9 years, while the Meccans ruled against trading with any Muslim, and literally starved the Muslims, among other things. Muhammad was called to go to Medina, to stop the bloodshed between the tribes of Medina. When Muhammad and his followers left for Medina, the Meccans raided all the Mslim's houses, and stole everything in them, and transported them via caravan. Muhammad simply took their belongings back.
@lespauls61 Also, i question the source of wherever you got that info from. Muhammad forbid the death of any Prisoner, and infact taught the Muslims to treat the prisoners like brothers, the Prisoners of war often got larger shares of food than the Muslims, proven by Hadith. And the Meccan's army was vastly greater than the Muslims, and Muslims had every right to raid the caravan in the 1st place.
@FireSign27 I dont have it here right now, but just try a simple google search for muhammad stories and im sure sure find plenty of sources. And believing the quran is true because the quran says so is the same crap the christians give, its called circular reasoning. Example "i know the bible is true because god says it is and I know this becasue it says so in the bible"
@FireSign27 You say its about peace yet you say "And the Meccan's army was vastly greater than the Muslims, and Muslims had every right to raid the caravan in the 1st place." Sounds peaceful to me raiding caravans and killing everyone
@FireSign27 Heres a Koran passage tell me if its about peace. "Koran 8:67-68
"It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."
Victims: Two of the most famous poets of Medinah, who had the courage to criticise the murderous actions of Mohammed and his gang are murdered by Muhammed and his gang
@FireSign27 As a fitting punishment for all his heinous crimes against women, it was a Jewish woman who poisoned him in her rightful quest for revenge after the battle of Khaybar. After living a life of rape, perversion, destruction and plunder, at the age of 62, Mohammed gasped his last breath on the lap of his 17 year old child bride Ayesha who watched him die a slow , long and horrible death.
@lespauls61 The Quranic Embryology is 100% correct. Other theories around at time were Aristotles, Hippocrates, and Galens, which ALL contained MANY inaccurasies and errors. So Muhammad being a 40 y/o illiterate was wiser and more knowlageable than Aristotle, Hippocrates and Galen? Muhammad says a few things in the Hadith, even about Embryology, which are very wrong, showing that Muhammad actually knew very little about Embryology. Muhammads knowlege contained errors, but Quran doesnt.
a) Quranic embryology is far from correct. Among other things, it talks about the embryo being a "clot of blood" long before any blood cell has been formed. Rampant apologetics is required to even begin to call it right. It's also laughably superficial.
b) Mohammed lived many 100s of years after all the people you mention. The reason people bring them up is because muslims seem to think no information about, or research in, embryology existed at the time - which is a lie.
@Gnomefro a) The actual Quranic word used is Alaqa, not clot of blood. Alaqa's translation MUST contain a meaning of attachment, and it's "clot of blood" translation is due to the blood's ability to forms clots, by attaching to itself (RBC - Platelets).
b) Yes, Hippocrates, Galen and Aristotle lived many years before Muhammad. Their theories existed before the Quran, and some attempt to say Muhammad plagiarized them. Such a claim is very laughable.
@lespauls61 The Quran shows knowlege of many topics considered modern science - knowlege which simply DID NOT EXISTS in the 7 century, or anywhere near that time. An example is Embryology, the Quranic embryology is amazingly accurate, yet the theories of embryology at the time of the Quran were horribly, horribly inccorect (Where the Embryo was thought to be a PLANT, and boys/girls developing on opposite sides of the womb). The Quran contains NO scientific inaccuracy, which IS amazing.
@FireSign27 You must be a muslim because you keep trying to sell the koran. Your claims are common thoughts from the ages and nothing else. YOu say these are amazingly accurate then dispute that in the next line. The koran wasnt even written by the mohammed the slayer dude. it took decade to centuries of twisted hearsay till one of the goat herders was able to write something down.
@lespauls61 Yes, i'm a Muslim (well done). Yes my thoughts are common and widespread - thats a good thing ^^. The Quran was recorded by the Sahabas, Muhammad's close companions (since Muhammad couldn't read or write). It's amazing how an illiterate man revealed correct modern Embryology, that's one good guesser right there, specially considering the Aristotles (literally haha) of his time, had totally incorrect views on the development of the human.
@FireSign27 THERE ARE NO MORE FULFILLED PROPHECIES IN THE QURAN AS IN THE BIBLE. What seemed fulfilled. is either coincidence, or the prophecy has no EXACT IRREFUTABLE data, and something was bound to happen , sooner or later, fitting the prophecy, or the prophecy was adapted after the fact.
@lizazoon The Bible contains MANY failed prophecies, while the Quran contains NONE. The Bible contains MANY contradictions, while the Quran contains NONE. The Bible has been corrupted by men's word, while the Quran contains NO words of men - but only the words which were revealed to Muhammad through Gabriel..
If you insist otherwise. Please, show me ATLEAST ONE contradiction in the Quran, or ATLEAST ONE failed prophecy.
@FireSign27 The Quran is no more beleivable as the bible or any other religious instruction book. They all claim divine origin, although they contradict each other in many ways.
@lizazoon I asked you to provide me with just ONE contradiction in the Quran, and you have failed. Maybe you wernt aware of what i was asking of you, so i'll try again.
You say the Quran contradicts itself. The word of our Creator should not contradict itself. Please provide me with just ONE contradiction that you have found in the Quran, or stop saying the Quran contradicts itself. If you can't find a contradiction in the Quran - you shouldnt really be saying there are any contradictions.
@lespauls61 there are many greek historians that talked about christ. the existance of christ was never a debate. it was wether or not he was GOD ya moron!! only an atheist would think circle means flat. and there is tons of archeological evidence proving the miracles of the bible including the scorched mountain in saudi arabia. you are simply an arrogant atheist trapped in a paradigm of lies. enjoy your sad life.
So since when is centuries old hearsay evidence? Where are your eyewitness accounts? All your claimed bible miracles have no historical/scientific evidence of ever happening. None of them have any EYEWITNESS writings NONE. FACT-There is not ONE eyewitness account of Jesus or ANY supposed miracle NOT ONE. Its decades to centuries old BULLSHIT!!
@lespauls61 they actually have other historical documents like Josephus and Tacitcus and others, you know. Now here's a question for you: did you see evolution happen or any of that kind of stuff?
There were over 40 philosophers and writers around the time when Jesus is supposed to have lived. It’s strange that hardly any of them mention someone who made as big a splash as Christ is supposed to have made.
Healing the sick, raising the dead. Surely that must have created some interest. Funny there is no contemporary writer who was around during Jesus’ supposed life who even mentions him. Continued…..
@15kwakmatthew As for Josephus, who wasn’t even born until 3 years after Jesus’ supposed death, supposedly wrote about Jesus in a section of “Antiquities of the Jews” a piece called “Testamonium Flavianum.”
Scholars now believe that it was obviously written by the early Christian church as the writing obviously came from a Christian writer and slipped in to the writings to give authenticity. That would make it a forgery. But you can check it out for yourself.
@15kwakmatthew Flavius Josephus was an orthodox Jew to his the end of his life and would not have written anything describing Jesus “He was the Christ” which the writer does. Christians say that it was written in Josephus’s style, so part must be true. However the only part agreed upon is the first line. “Now there was about the same time.” That’s all. Will continue if you want me to, but it would be better if you did your own research. You’re more likely to believe that, or maybe not.
So since when is centuries old hearsay evidence? Where are your eyewitness accounts? All your claimed bible miracles have no historical/scientific evidence of ever happening. None of them have any EYEWITNESS writings NONE. FACT-There is not ONE eyewitness account of Jesus or ANY supposed miracle NOT ONE. Its decades to centuries old BULLSHIT!!
@EYEthatwatchestheEYE If I remember my bible corectly, lot offered his own daughters up for what was nothing more than prostitution. the reward was supposedly to protect the angels who had visited. Why couldn't the angels protect themselves if they were supernatural beings?
Probably the same guy, these v3.0 atheists here are worse than a group of pagan gypsies at an autumn festival waiting for the fatty scraps of the roasted hog. They are lying about the bible as usual. They obviously have no life to speak of, hanging around a Christian video, accusing and making fools of themselves. Pay no more attention to it. The video host should have blocked them a long time ago. Moving on....
@Help4uNow IM not an atheist. Atheist think god doesnt exsist, I'm agnostic which is more realistic as no one knows if god exsists. You cant prove the exsistance of god either way. Only the dead know the answer so you believeing there is a god is just as bad as atheists who a certain there isnt a god. NO ONE KNOWS. The bible is a moraly corrupt book. Raping and murdering are OK according to the bible. WHere is your little sister I want to have my way with her.
@lespauls61 Atheist and Agnostic are not mutually exclusive. Athiest does not mean that god does not 100% exist, it just means you reject the claim that a god 100% exists. Agnostic just means undecided. You can be an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist.
@Help4uNow silly comment diverting from the truth...that Jesus Christ is the ONLY name under heaven that promises to SAVE anyone who calls upon HIS Name from the heart... remember that when you draw your last few breaths here on earth...scoff now, mock now...but remember remember remember when you are leaving this world,to call out to Jesus to set you free from ALL darkness,sins and to save you from utter destruction.
@Help4uNow Well well, I suppose what can you expect of a christian. "Anything I don't like. Block it and ban it." How about imprisoning and burning books (and people). OH! you've already tried that and it didn't work.
If God is real and heaven is real and people like you are going there. Leave me out of it of it. I don't want to go to a Celestial North korea, where I will be watched for eternity and have to worship the Dear Leader.
The reason most learned persons do not argue with such persons as imaginefree is because 1. There is very little space to make a cogent argument & 2. the internet & libraries are full of information with rational arguments why he is wrong on so many accounts. My purpose was not to argue but simply to point out for the immature or unlearned, that he is a deceiver, a God hater. Like a con man setting up a mark, he is interested in your ruin, although he seems to be selling truth & freedom.
@gaseti HaHa! You are so right about the uneducated and immature. This guy says "If you're just here to slander and gossip, what purpose do you imagine you serve?" Wow. A self-proclaimed slanderer and gossiper he is. This is typical behavior from a pagan. We are not surprised are we? Yet we will pray that his eyes be opened one day and he too will see the truth and joy in Christ Jesus. Amen.
@pbar1000 as I said to someone else, the mature response to something you believe to be incorrect is to bring the appropriate evidence, the Bible in this case, and correct the error. Mere scorn, denial, and stone-throwing is completely irrelevant to the truth. I make no assertions about the scriptures that I cannot readily support WITH scripture. So let's act like grown-ups, okay? If you think I've posted errors, please bring your superior knowledge and correct me.
@Imaginefree69, You say "peace" but you are obsessed with attack. How many times do you need to be corrected, and you want more? Do your homework and come back with some respectful attitude. Atheism 3.0 is cruel, hateful and ignorant of the facts. The bible has been proven to be true, don't expect others to do the work for you. Seek and you shall find Jesus. He stands at the door of your heart and knocks. (( :
@pbar1000 "How many times do you need to be corrected" But I have not BEEN corrected yet. Just slandered and gossiped about. I suppose that's the "fruit of the Spirit", eh? "The bible has been proven to be true" Don't be silly. I've listed many things right here that are patently untrue, such as unicorns, talking beasts, 600-year old goat herders building ships out of desert shrubs, and so on. If you hope to prove these things true you have a big job ahead of you. Why are you so hostile?
@Imaginefree69, I pray that your eyes be opened one day and you too will see the truth and joy in Christ Jesus. If that is hostility to you, then you must not understand the concern that we have for you here. In the bible there was no account of 600 year-old goat herders building ships out of desert shrubs. There is no unicorn spoken of in the scriptures.
But there are a few talking beasts in the Old Testament, and many here on YouTube. You have proven yourself to be one of these in your unsuccessful attempt to discredit that which history, archaeology, forensics and physics, already have proven. Lighten-up, have a cheeseburger and go make your own videos about what you believe and leave us to worhip Christ. Thanks.
@Imaginefree69 Lets not forget the dragons and giants too, and how people regularly lived to over 900 years old. Oh and the earth is flat the sky is a dome, and the earth is held up by pillars. And the stars a little lights in the dome. There is much more but I will have to look the rest up as there is just to much amazing stuff in the bible to remember.
@Imaginefree69 CAN YOU PLEASE BACK UP THIS STATEMENT WITH SCRIPTURE AND VERSE RE: "ritualized cannibalism and the command to rip little girls from the bloody arms"... The bible RECORDS History and what other nations and PAGAN religions did....but that is NOT saying Yahweh "commanded" anything like this or condoned... you really need to read the bible foryourself before making such accusations AND back it up 100%
@0871368021 "ritualized cannibalism" "Take, eat; this is my body.... Drink ye all of it, For this is my blood" Matthew 26:26, 27 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you." John 6:35 "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life" John 6:54 " rip little girls from the bloody arms of their dead parents.." See Numbers 31:17 - 30. Lots more where that came from.
@Imaginefree69 I thank God for the truth... i dont thank you, you have given me no truth... and your looking for praise... i will pray for you instead... and you go on your journey and i continue on mine.. good luck.
@0871368021 Please note that I back up my statement with scripture, while you only use insults and arrogance. You said " CAN YOU PLEASE BACK UP THIS STATEMENT WITH SCRIPTURE AND VERSE RE: "ritualized cannibalism and the command to rip little girls from the bloody arms"... " I did so. Now you are just going to close your eyes and run away with a few insults? Come on, I showed you the scripture- please show me where I am in error. I'm sure you would, if you could.
"In the bible there was no account of 600 year-old goat herders building ships out of desert shrubs. There is no unicorn spoken of in the scriptures."
Consumed by their sin they shall soon see the error of their ways and others shall witness their sudden destruction. This God does as a witness that those that know them personally & their blaspheming and lying against God will remember and understand, perchance, that their evil has been judged. God is not mocked, but not desiring any to perish, He is patient with many. However, at some point, He is the judge of when, He will act with sudden unexpected judgment.
It would be my hope that those here unsure of what to believe absolutely not believe these men. For they are not interested in discovery of the truth, but as God and Christian haters, they are only interested in luring the unwary, the immature, the ignorant away from God and His word. This is what gives them satisfaction, like a game hunter has joy when he kills his prey or a grifter when his mark is sold. They are weighed down with wickedness, depraved & immoral, thus they hate God.
Imaginefree & lespauls are just yanking everyones chain. Imaginefree is obviously well read (thus he knows better and is without excuse), plain & simple -he is a deceiver. However, since there have been many very wise and knowledgeable men down through the ages that, even if unbelievers, understood the Bible, Old & New Testaments, to be very valuable literary works and also books showing great understanding, he proves himself simply a scoffer and blasphemer, unworthy of further replies.
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...sacrifice himself to give people salvation. And the original sin doesn't seem logical either. To think that everyone is born destined to go to hell is absurd. And i refuse to believe that an incomplete scripture is God's final guidance to us - specially since Jesus told us there would be another. I think the truth is the Paraclete recitation, just as Jesus tells us in the Bible.
FireSign27 1 year ago
awesome!!! thanks brother...
iloveargelyn 1 year ago
The Islamic faith was started by the child that Jacob had with a slave woman. (When Jacob's wife said that she was too old to give birth when God said he'd give them their son)
After Jacob later had Isaac, they basically kicked the slave woman and her son out.
Long story short, the boy and his mother started it. (Because of Jacob and his wife's sin.)
It seems all evil is founded by sin, eh?
only1one1me 1 year ago
@only1one1me It wasn't Jacob. Jacob was Issac's son You mean Abraham and Sarah. Sarah was old she thought she couldn't have children, so Abraham had a son with his maid Hagar and Hagar had Ishmael and his bloodline created Islam and Sarah had a son also, that was Issac, In Christianity Abraham gave him the birthright, if i'm not mistaken in Islam He gave Ishmael the birthright instead of Issac
In the bible, it states Issac had a son Jacob and Jacob's bloodline became the nation of Israel.
757SugaMama 6 months ago
@FireSign27, as I stated am just asking am not sure if that is true i wanted to know. And If the Quran says Jesus is a Prophet and JEsus Says he is Son OF God then being God he aught to be worship. and to my knowledge isn ot Allah in the Quran stated to be a moon god who had 3 daughters Tamuz and i forget the other too. Am not comparing Bible to Quran that goes no where just trying to come to a resolution of truth.
MrBlessed7 1 year ago
@MrBlessed7 ALL religions are created by men to control the population. Bible is BS as well as the Koran and any other theology book. Try research the scientific and archeological evidense, you will be suprised how you find almost nothing to support any religion
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61
The Bible is only BS until you are born-again. Many of the Christians today are NOT born again. I personally used to think it was all nonsense, that religion made you blind. Well I lived my life the way I wanted and was never truly completely happy, I had the heard the gospel of Christ here and there but never understood if completely until the time came I had had enough and gave my life to Him. Thats when i realized my life was a lie until I met Him, and He changed my life.
oooalexo8 1 year ago
@oooalexo8 First off the gospels of christ doesnt exsist, there is no book of jesus. And if there was it wasnt written by him nor were the other gospels written by who you think. The bible is very easy to dubunk, there are no eyewitness writings in the bible. There is no proof jesus is even real. No historical records from his alleged time mention him NONE
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 did u say none.. ok sir
goku540 1 year ago
@lespauls61
It wasent until that moment that I had a passion to read His word, the Bible. The light of Christ shined in the darkness of the world, and in my life. I have made desciples that too agree, after being born again their life changed to the point they wanted nothing else but God. If you look back to Genesis we were made to worship Him thats all we had was God and we were completely satisfied with Him alone, and those truly in Jesus Chirst experience that today. God bless you lespauls61
oooalexo8 1 year ago
@lespauls61
That being said, I will NEVER deny Jesus, because it wasent until I accepted Him that my life changed. Not on my own account, but to God be the glory! A side note, my God is a God you experience, until you experience and have that relationship with Him, because thats what He longs for is for us to have that real relationship, he Loves us... OH HOW HE LOVES US! Praise you Jesus, if only I had half the love you have given me.
oooalexo8 1 year ago
@oooalexo8 YOU need professional help if you think an imaginary man is helping you
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 like you
15kwakmatthew 1 year ago
@lespauls61 not the bible. where in the bible does it say i have to attend the church. tru jesus alone. so i could do my studying as without having to look up to or follow someone like a paster
goku540 1 year ago
To whom ever it may concern, just want to Know the Quran says its only 95%accurate does it not, and 5% in accu. is that true. Also it says that Jesus is A Prophet, and we know a Prophet can not lie so that means Muslims aught to worship him, unless thats the 5%. Not arguing just asking, curious.
MrBlessed7 1 year ago
@MrBlessed7 Could you please tell me the surah where the Quran says it's 95% accurate?
And yes, Islam says Jesus was a Prophet. Islam also says Jesus is the Messiah, and will return to us before Judgement Day. Islam FORBIDS us to Worship anyone but Allah (The God, Creator)..
Allah makes it very clear that we should worship the Creator, rather than the Creation, and Jesus is very much the creation of Allah.
BTW Muslims woship no Prophets, not even Muhammad, it's Shirk.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27
Of course Islam doesn't want you to worship Jesus, the savior of the world. Why of course? It is backed by Satan. Islam is to fear God. Christianty is to fear God WITHOUT being afraid, because nobody is perfect and through accepting Jesus, he stands before God for us, because no man will enter the kingdom of God without accepting Jesus Christ. The way to the Father, is through the son, JESUS is the way, the truth, and the LIFE :) and my relationship with Him comes before ALL things.
oooalexo8 1 year ago
@oooalexo8 And what proof do you have that Islam is backed by Satan? Also, since you seem to have a happy relationship with Jesus, i'm sure you're aware that Jesus couldn't reveal the full truth to us previously, since we couldn't bare it, but the Paraclete will come, and will deliver us into full truth by reciting words rebuking Sin, Judgment and Righteousness. Who is you're Paraclete, and where is his recitation?
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 First off there is no satan so stop believeing in mythical beings created by ignorant humans. Jesus as well was a myth, mohammed was just a criminal/mass murderer
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 I'm sorry, if you want to control what i believe, you will need to provide me with some evidence. Baseless statements and opinions are pretty useless..
What happened to all the child molester, rapist, power-greedy crap? So now he's just a criminal??
It's true what Islam says.. Falseness, by it's nature, is bound to perish.
May peace be with you.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Baseless statements is what your belief is based on. None of the bible accounts of miracles are based on witness's
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 I'm sorry, but the Quran is a MUCH better 'base' than the Bible we have today... The Bible contains many a contradiction - so much so that it is painful to see how much the message of Jesus has been twisted by the hands of men... The Quran is a Miracle in itself. And i challenge you to find even a SINGLE contradiction in the ~1400 year old book.. One of the biggest contradictions in the Bible is the teaching that Jesus was killed on the cross.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 keep shooting rockets at jews, no1 believes your lies. religion of peace, ha
DasShape 1 year ago
@DasShape I've never held a rocket, and why would i fire one at a Jew anyway? If you want to stir up hatred between the monotheistic religions of God, find a less educated person to play games with. Muhammad was requested by the Jewish tribes of Yathrib to lead them out of a cycle and violence. The Jews gave Muhammad and the Muslims a safe place to stay when the Meccans were torturing and exiling them. And Muhammad solved their inter-tribe violence.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 muhammad is an idiot that pulled a religion out of a cave for his sandidiot brethren because they had no religion. he felt that his people were left out and when christians and jews wouldnt convert he went about slaughtering them. talk about a peaceful religion. there will not be virgins waiting for you in paradise
smizerene 1 year ago
@smizerene Your comment shows how uneducated you are on Islam, and also that you need to read up on the Bible, too. In the Bible, the Kingdom of God was given to the Jews, then God took it away - and gave it to "a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof"... The nation is that of the descendants of Ishamel. By the Bible, Ishmael was a blessed wildman, whom God had made fruitful and will mutliply him into a great nation. Muhammad is a descendant of Ishmael, and is of the Kingdom of God.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 i know the story of abraham mr. fire sign. we will never agree. the one thing i can say is that 3 major religions came from the patriarch of the jews. Islam extremist today are no better than the templars of mideavil times. if people would sit down and think about it they would know that god would not condone any of the killing in his name. i was raised on christianity. other people were brought up jews and still others on islam. can any fault the other for what they believe? no
smizerene 1 year ago
@smizerene What exactly is an Islamic Extremist?? A person who kills innocent people in the name of Islam? The tihng is, islam forbidss killing unless its for the cause of Allah. And the Quran has made killing innocents forbidden. The only aggression allowed in Islam, is that in self defence or retaliation, and still there are many guidlines a Muslim must follow (Muhammad taught us to not even harm plants during times of wars). What exactly is an Islamic Extremist?
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 well let me ask you this. Is someone who doesnt practice islam an infidel and should be killed in the name of allah? as far as the freedom of choice goes. what i was saying is because i am raised christian it doesnt give me any right to say someone who is a jew is wrong and condemn them. its not anyones fault for where they are raised whether it be you or i. its not for a person of islamic faith to condemn me as an infidel for being a christian either. we are all different
smizerene 1 year ago
@smizerene Oh no, Muslims are forbidden to to kill people simply due to differences such as religion... Islam forbids compulsion in Religion. According to Islam - NOONE is required to be a Muslim, and EVERYONE is foprbidden to force their beliefs onto others. I do agree that if our parents force us into a religion, it can't be helped. But i think we all should question our beliefs, it's the only way we may find the truth (what every the truth may be)..
FireSign27 1 year ago
@smizerene For example, my beliefs in Islam could be completely wrong, but i have yet to come across a question that makes Islam seem incorrect. However, no offence, but with Christianity - there seems to be many illogical doctrines. Such as, why did God need to sacrifice himself to allow us into Heaven? Couldn't he simply forgive? And parts of the Bible actually agree with the Quran, and say that Jesus didn't die on the cross. Also, the Paraclete, whome Jesus prophecised, points to Islam.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 as u can tell i watch these types of videos looking for answers. Lately ive been reading books on ancient israel...which is where both our religions come from. what part of the bible says jesus didnt die on the cross?
smizerene 1 year ago
@smizerene The Hebrews and Psalms mainly, and other places seem to hint it also.
References:Psalm 9:13, Psalm 17:7, Psalm 18:3, Psalm 20:6, Psalm 30:1, Psalm 145:14, Psalm 146:8, Pslam 91, Psalm 116, Psalm 118, Hebrews 5:7-8, and Isaiah 52:13
The NT also confirms the Apocalypse of Peter. The Apocalypse of Peter confirms that Jesus did not die on the Cross.
I hope i answered your question. May peace be with you.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 i think the apocalypse of peter is one of the disputed books of the bible.
smizerene 1 year ago
@smizerene Yes, it is. At one point, many Christians used to hold the Apocalypse of Peter as the truth, since those days (realllly long ago), it seems to have been scrapped from Bibles, and discreditted. However, you can't really argue away the verses of the Psalms/Hebrews. To me, Jesus dieing on the cross isn't logical. Our creator is the best of creators, he created Heaven/Hell and the Universe (God know what else). I'm sure God wouldn't be limited by his creations, as to have to sacrifice..
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Bible is third person removed hearsay and is not to be taken literally. There is NO archeological or scientific evidence to support the myth. NONE OF THEM.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 So way wrong...there's over 50 sources of Jesus OUTSIDE the Bible even written by people who were enemies or nothing to gain. Also, see Sir William Ramsay, famous EX-atheist archaeologist set out to prove Luke, book of Acts wrong...after yrs. of digs, archaeology & history proved Luke correct to the detail! He said Luke was the best historian. Reseach the hundres of others that did the same & new discoveries also. There's more evidence of Jesus than most of history written yrs later!
GoodyBob 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Except for the Koran telling you to kill the infidels
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 Find me a SINGLE verse in the Quran that commands Muslims to kill 'infidels', simply because they don't accept Islam... If a person tries to follow Islam, the ONLY time fighting is permitted for them is when they are defending themselves, or retaliating to an attack... And even when a Muslim is permitted to fight, there are many guidelines they should follow (like not even harming a plant)...
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 9:123 "O you who believe, fight those of the unbelievers near you and let them see how harsh you can be. Know that Allah is with the righteous." (Fakhry’s translation)
9:73 "O Prophet, fight [j-h-d] the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be stern with them. Their abode is Hell, and what a terrible fate!" (Fakhry)
I'll await your reply. I'm sure it will be something to the effect of..."well those don't really mean that." Sure they don't. Tell that to the Jihadists!
Headswithsacks 11 months ago
@Headswithsacks Both 9:123 and 973 don't command ANYONE to KILL disbelievers - the command is to fight. Fighting doesn't have to be physical, people can fight with words - they do all the time. And i asked for a single verse where a Muslim is commended to fight (KILL, but forget about that if you can't find one) disbelievers, simply for not accepting Islam....
FireSign27 11 months ago
@Headswithsacks [cont] ... But the verses you provided are refering to the disbelievers who hide behind the name of Allah - the Hypocrits. Chapter 9 of the Quran is very clear about that. It gives plenty of details of the type of disbelivers it's talking about. People who say they are Muslim, but they don't give charity to the poor, they break their covenant with God, act stingy towards their 'brothers' in faith, critisize the contributors among the believers for giving effort/money as charity..
FireSign27 11 months ago
@Headswithsacks [cont 2] ... Chapter 9 gives plenty of description as to the specific kind of disbelievers the verses you mentioned are refering to. It is the hypocrits among the Muslims. A Muslim MUST follow the ENTIRE Quran, not part here and there. And like i said, a Muslim simply can NOT attack or kill a person for not accepting Islam. A Muslim can't start a conflict, and certainly can't harm any innocent people.
FireSign27 11 months ago
@Headswithsacks [cont3] To put things into perspective; Islamic doctrine says that the Hypocrits of Islam will be among the 1st people to enter the Hellfire. Being a Hypocrit in Islam is considered very bad. If a person doesn't believe in Islam, what do you think drives him towards lieing and telling everyone that he actually IS a Muslim (when he isn't)?? He could just say no, hes not a Muslim. Muslims can't harm non-Muslims unless non-Muslims attack 1st, fear has nothing to do with it...
FireSign27 11 months ago
@Headswithsacks [cont4] So what can a Hypocrit's motive be, for calling themselves a Muslim, when they don't believe in Islam, Heaven, and Hell? To me, an obvious answer would that they're trying to degrade the name of Allah, and the religion of Islam. Chapter 9 also says the Hypocrits are those who enjoin what is wrong, forbid what is right, and those who have forgotten Allah. If they simply didn't want to follow Islam, they could simply NOT follow it. but they choose to hide, and corrupt.
FireSign27 11 months ago
@FireSign27 A bunch of rhetoric from you which means nothing. Are you yourself a Muslim? Let me ask you a very simple question. Tell me...which verses from the Qu'ran do the Jihadists use to justify their killing? Tell me please.
Headswithsacks 11 months ago
@Headswithsacks Yes, i try to be a Muslim. And it depends on what 'Jihadist' killings you're refering to. Many people who talk about Jihad, or Jihadist Killings, have no idea what Islamic Jihad is, or don't realise that most killings they refer to are against Islam. The ONLY killing Islam justifies is where a person kills an attacker, after having been attacked by the attacker - and even then there are many guidelines. Which killings are you talking about though?
FireSign27 11 months ago
@FireSign27 Pick a bombing any bombing..there are plenty to go around. How about some of these:
2011.02.19 (Jalalabad, Afghanistan) - Sunni hardliners send suicide bombers and gunmen into a bank to massacre eighteen people.
2011.02.19 (Zayukovo, Russia) - Caucasus Emirate terrorists stop a van full of ski tourists and then machine-gun them to death.
2011.02.18 (Tunis, Tunisia) - Fundamentalists break into a school and slit the throat of a priest.
Headswithsacks 11 months ago
@Headswithsacks Hahaha. The 1st one you mentioned, the bomber kills 18 presumably innocent people in a bank. According to Islam, the person has killed the entire human race, 18 times over! Islam forbids the killing of even a single innocent person, and says it's the same as killing the entire human race. When people want peace, a Muslim is forbidden to break that peace. The Quran states: "Do not be an aggressor for God hates aggressors". You're not talking about Islam. Have a nice day.
FireSign27 10 months ago
@smizerene [cont2] If a religious person truely believes in the existence of a Creator, they should question their religion, it can only lead to better things. You either find more truthful beliefs, or learn more about your current beliefs. I find believing in a Creator very logical. And i think science itself is a creation of God, and so i tihnk the most truthful religion has to comply with both logic AND science. But we are all free to believe as we wish ofcourse.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 anyway i think this is a good conversation. too bad u live across the atlantic in the uk
smizerene 1 year ago
@FireSign27 i may not be up to date on islam as you but unlike most people i do research other religions.
smizerene 1 year ago
@smizerene I appreciate that you do research on other religions. I do too. I've read up on many religions, some that most people likely haven't heard of before.. I'm particularly interested in monotheistic religions, and I kinda disagree with what u said. People shouldnt follow a religiony cause their parents did, people are repsoncible for what they believe, and shold strive to find truth. But we all do have the God-given freedom of choice, and will to do as we please at the end of the day.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@DasShape [cont] Why would i break that bond with the Jews, that Muhammad was a part of setting up? And why would i even tihnk to do so at the request of an unknown YTer who seems to have bitter feelings against my faith?.. Well i wouldn't. And Muslims and Jews both believe in the same God, we should live in peace, not kill. And i didn't ask anyone to believe my lies. I ask everyone to believe Muhammad's truths. He was nicknamed Al-Amin (The Truthful One) for 40+ years afterall.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@lespauls61 [cont] There are MANY verses in the Bible which contradict the wellklnown christian belief that Jesus Christ died on the cross. And The Apocalypse of Peter seems to confirm the contradiction. In the Apocalypse of Peter (one of Jesus's disciples), Peter's account is very very close to the Quranic account of what happened - and both Peter's account and the Biblical verses which say Jesus didn't die, are in perfect harmony with the Quranic verses regarding the subject...
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 the quaranic account wow! educate yourself on when the quaran was written
smizerene 1 year ago
@smizerene Ok, ok, but the Quran IS newer than the Bible - and the Quran IS much less altered than the Bible. And maybe you need to educate yourself on the Quranic AND Biblic 'account' of Jesus's crucifiction. The Quran says Jesus did not die. Ofcourse the Bible says that he DID die, for our sins. But then again, the Bible also says that he did NOT die also, and was SAVED. It is as clear as day in the Psalms and Hebrews, if you want quotes, ask. Contradictions are not hard to find in the Bible.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@lespauls61 [cont2] The Apocalypse of Peter was regarded by many early Christians as truthful, and many early Christians believed that Jesus did NOT die on the cross. Simply read it, if u want links, PM me... If you want me to provide the Biblical quotes i was talking about, ask me..
FireSign27 1 year ago
@lespauls61 Why do you kind of people always deem us Christians as unknowing of what we are talking about? Do you have a problem? Come on, spit it out.
15kwakmatthew 1 year ago
Fascinating bullshit. I'd ask for more, but we know it's not true.
And the reason you're not dead is because of Jeebus.........Right retard?
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Bob Cornuke (born 1951) is a controversial American writer and amateur archaeologist. Cornuke is president of the Bible Archaeology Search and Exploration Institute (BASE), which is operated from his home in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[1] He describes himself as a Biblical archaeologist, BUT HAS NO DEGREE OR TRAINING IN ARCHAEOLOGY
lizazoon 1 year ago
doesnt move like a folk with a bad back
attorneydestroyusa 1 year ago
@attorneydestroyusa he is sitting on a chair.
0871368021 1 year ago
@0871368021 , never hurt your back? you wont sit in a chair like he is. He is a con artist. Most likely a jew
attorneydestroyusa 1 year ago
@attorneydestroyusa right.... so like, Jesus Christ the jew also?
0871368021 1 year ago
@0871368021 , you are being deceived. That fells you call jesus was not a jew. Go back and read what he told you about the nasty kike lizard jew.
DO you even know what a jew is? it is not a hebrew nor an Israelite. It is the formed stool of satan. You really should do some simple research and discover the truth. THe truth will set you free. Did you know that when you are dragged into the synagogue temple court, all you need is the truth and the evil black robed priest devil can not compete?
attorneydestroyusa 1 year ago
@attorneydestroyusa Jesus IS GOD OF THE JEWS...you will know this one day.
0871368021 1 year ago
@0871368021 see you at trial you willfully deceived moron
attorneydestroyusa 1 year ago
@attorneyde im saved by the precious blood of Jesus Christ...the JEWS messiah...who died for the world..that whosoever believeth in HIM with all their heart will not perish but have everlasting life...(u too if you want).. im saved by the GRACE of God (God's Righteousness At Christs Expense).. I have life eternal because of what He did for you and me..He willingly took the penalty for our sins so that thru Him we have life...He paid for my life in full with His blood.Only Jesus can heal you.
0871368021 1 year ago
@0871368021 , do you know what a keephas is? Are you aware the 66 books you call bible are history books? Did you know the jews have deliberately remove over 450 years of this history? why is that? what do you know? Stupid joke about ferrets from con artist??
attorneydestroyusa 1 year ago
@attorneydestroyusa your not speaking the truth...and your house is built on sand.remember this..salvation is of the jews...when your drawing your last breath here on earth,there is only ONE name under heaven that promises to save anyone who calls upon the name of JESUS/YESHUA from their heart...REPENT,BELIEVE,BE SAVED..The Jews Maschiach is about to return and set His feet upon Mount Zion..so keep watching.He does not lie.He will do it and you will see it...
0871368021 1 year ago
@0871368021 yeah sure thing. And when I come for you to ready you for tiral like the deceiver in this video, dont try to run. My sword has far reach. You havent a clue. But once ground support gets here, you fools will get in line. You wont be nailing me to a cross like you did me brother you willfully deceived fool. You are the recipient of the curse that fell on your fathers.
attorneydestroyusa 1 year ago
@attorneydestroyusa ok.
0871368021 1 year ago
evidence of talking beasts: A PARROT
EYEthatwatchestheEYE 1 year ago
@EYEthatwatchestheEYE All animals "talk" most of us just don't speak language well. lol Look at dolphins, for example. Look at bees, for example. Look at the Chicago Bears fans, for example. lol
3rdKrypton 1 year ago
@lespaul the bible does not say the earth is flat. it says THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH haha what a dumb ass! you are a horrible agnostic you dont even have any valid reasons.
EYEthatwatchestheEYE 1 year ago
@EYEthatwatchestheEYE When interpreted most scholars say they mean flat earth.
Go ahead and keep believing in fairy tales, there is NOT ONE SHRED OF PROOF that the bible is true. THere is no proof that there is a god. IF so show this proof.
You cant prove anything jesus related about the bible cause there is no proof outside the bible. Outside the bible jesus never exsisted.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 I agree, the Bible isn't proof that there is a God or no.. but evidence of a creator's existence is pretty obvious for those who actually stop and give it some thought.. Its highly logical that there is a creator of the universe. And Jesus does exist outside the Bible - i believe the Quran supports the existance of Jesus (as a human ofcourse - not a God)...
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 The Quran isnt a historical record, its no more reliable than the bible.
Anything the Quran uses isnt eyewitness evidence and cannot be considered so, it is more hearsay. Any claims of supernatural abilities in the Quran cant be corroborated either. No historical or archeological evidence to support either
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 The Quran contains historical events, guidance, and prophecies. Many of the prophecies in Islam have come true. The Quran also contains knowlege of modern science, despite being written in the early 7th century - when such knowlege simply didn't exist. The Quran also asks any disbeliver to find atleast 1 contradiction - not 1 has been found.. The revealation of the Quran spanned out over 22 years, yet the Quran remains very consistent. Quran is so much more reliable than the Bible.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Historical events dont mean devinity. Lots a of books of fiction contain actual historical events, doesnt make it true. Eyewitness testimony would validate stories not centuries old hearsay, which is all you have. The Loran is no more true than the old testament or new testament. They are both fabricated stories of non witness's to further there ancient agendas, all those prophesies are easily debunked.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 Well the Quran is backed by the Hadith, a huge collection of relavent narrations and sayings of people in the time of Muhammad. And Historcal events CAN mean divinity - but without evidence, its not reliable. I also never claimed that historical events alone make the Quran reliable, there are many factors. Logic is also a big part. I very much doubt that you've read the Quran, or have a decent amount of knowlege of it, therefore YOUR words regarding the Quran aren't so reliable.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 600 years after the alleged jesus is hardly an eyewitness. If you dont have eyewitness testimoney all you have is hearsay. Hearsay is not scientific proof. What you have is even less reliable than the bible and we know the bible wasnt written by any eyewitness. Why didnt jesus write something down? Was he illiterate? If he was actually alive there would be historians from his time who would have written of him yet not one mentions him at all.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 Muhammad is not an eyewitness of Jesus, obviously - i never said that. However, the Quran DOES contain an accurate account of many things which the Bible accounted for, such a Jesus's life, AND ALSO PROVIDES MORE DETAILS on the events in some cases - than the Bible. NOONE could have known such things in the time of Muhammad. This further supports the divine origin of the Quran. I did not say Hearsay was scientific proof. However the Quran DOES contain modern science.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 The koran is stolen from the bible thats why its so similar. Ever hear of plagerism??
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 Nope, the Quran isn't plagiarised from the Bible. Infact - the similarity is one of the PROOFS that Islam isn't false. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all from the SAME and SINGLE CREATOR. Judaism and Christianity are simply earlier, less complete stages of Islam. Jesus even prophesises about Muhammad, and says Muhammad will glorify him (Jesus). The Quran even documents certain details of certian events which even the BIBLE misses out - how could they be plagiarised?
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 let me guess the fictional bible or fictional quran says this humm interesting that you use the fairy tale books to prove that its true. why not try a secular non biased source, bet you cant find any actual arceological records to support any miracles
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 No, me and my research say it, and logic supports it. Who was talking about miracles? You said the Quran is plagiarised, which it isn't, and theres evidence for that. I supposey you're talking about Quranic Embryology. It's 100% correct, and was in the Quran since the 7th century. The ONLY other embryonic theories at the time were Galens, Hippocrates and Aristotle. Each one of those contain many major falsehoods, while the Quran contains NONE. Facts aren't really biased.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Its all bull shit. anyone who believes in all this ancient crap is an idiot so what does that make you?? Mohammed new about fetus development because when he slaughtered pregnant women he cut out the fetuses
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 And wheres your evidence that Muhammad killed pregnant women, and observed their foetuses? If you don't have any evidence - your claim is baseless, making you an idiot if you believe what you said. Theres a ton of proof that actually goes against what you just said. The Quran isn't Muhammad's own words, but the words of Allah revealed to Muhammad. Muhammads OWN words are recorded in the HADITH, not the Quran.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Who cares if Mohammed killed pregnant women or not? Clearly people had done such research 100s of years before Mohammed was born and you don't have to be a psychic to understand that further development could have happened in embryology in the 500 years(!) between Galen's death and Mohammed's birth. The rational conclusion is that Mohammed's claims was common knowledge at the time. Just like his ripped off sumerian creation myth was considered common knowledge.
Gnomefro 1 year ago
@Gnomefro No, Quranic Embryology was NOT common knowlege at the time - that is a very baseless claim. Hippocratic Embryology was the closest (time-wise) to Quranic Embryology, with a 423 year gap between the 2. Hippocrates believed the embryo was a PLANT, and converted into an animal, amongst many other things. The commong knowlege regarding Embryology at the time, is demonstrated in the HADITH - the common knowlege shown in hadith does NOT match up to Quranic knowlege.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Also, the Qur'an is Mohammed's words as far as anyone, including all muslims, know. Nobody has ever observed any angels or Allah. It's fine that you want to believe in transcendental creatures with no evidence whatsoever - but realize that when you do, you are using special pleading to justify belief in that particular creature. With that methodology you can't rationally dismiss any superstition or myth. Not even the Loch Ness Monster.
Gnomefro 1 year ago
@Gnomefro No, the Quran is Muhammad's words, as far as anyone APPART from Muslims, are concerned. You are a fool if you think that i believe in Islam when i have no evidence of it's truth. Beliving in Islam is much much different than believing in the existence of the Loch Ness Monster. I can easily dismiss any superstition, or myth - providing there is no evidence supporting it. My methodology is, if there is evidence - i will believe.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 It's pretty fucking amusing that you're a muslim and dare demand evidence for the null hypothesis that Mohammed came about all his knowledge like everyone else does. You're essentially attempting to make Islam the null hypothesis that must be accepted if we don't have evidence that Mohammed wasn't a prophet.
Even if the embryology was right, it does nothing to show there was a revelation. Embryology is a physical process that doesn't need revelation to be discovered, even by nomads
Gnomefro 1 year ago
@Gnomefro Im glad you find me amusing, however theres nothing funny in what i said. If you tihnk that asking for evidence is amusing, you have no place in preaching about hypothesis. I claim Muhammad was a prophet, you claim otherwise. I have my evidence, and so it is only natural, and quite logical, that i ask you for the evidence you have that allows you to come to your conclusion. If you want laugh at me, whilst not providing any evidence - thats fine, although pathetic.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@Gnomefro Well, in the circumstances of Muhammad, Embryology DID need to be revealed. Muhammad was an illiterate, who could'nt read or right. Even so - he didn't carry out any experiments, or research into human development. He was in a world of errors regarding embryology. Muhammad simply recited, and his recitation contained correct Embryology. Knowlege can't normally be gained without attempting to acquire it in the 1st place - yet Muhammad seemed to gain it without experimenting.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Historical records as well as your koran tell stories of him sluaghtering thousands of civilians, so naturally theres going to be some pregnant women in there. Even the Christian fairy tale has the same atrocities, so why would the islam fairytale be different.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 Would you care to mention one of the events by name? You know, where Muhammad apparently slaughtered thousands of civilians.
BTW, if you want to play at that methodology, thats fine... Muhammad was well known for being an honest and trustworhty man, for 40 years of his life. "So naturally" he wasn't lieing regarding Islam.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Hows this for starters
Date: Late January(Rejeb), 623 A.D.
Place: Nakhla
Victims: 4 Merchants from Quraysh tribe of Mecca, the Tribe to which Mohammed himself belonged. Four UNARMED merchants were travelling to Mecca to sell their goods consisting of raisins, honey and animal skins. Mohammed's gang attacked the helpless men from behind and stabbed two of them to death. They plundered all the goods as booty and Mohammed got one fifths of the share.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 I've never heard about the 4 merchants who were attacked by Muslims, in Nakhla.. Could you please provide the source of that info..
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Or how about this one..
Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans
Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D
Place: The well of Badr
Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them. Mohammed set out to raid the caravan with 300 men. The Muslims killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom had his head chopped off.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 Muhammad and his followers were exiled from Mecca, they lived in Mecca for 9 years, while the Meccans ruled against trading with any Muslim, and literally starved the Muslims, among other things. Muhammad was called to go to Medina, to stop the bloodshed between the tribes of Medina. When Muhammad and his followers left for Medina, the Meccans raided all the Mslim's houses, and stole everything in them, and transported them via caravan. Muhammad simply took their belongings back.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@lespauls61 Also, i question the source of wherever you got that info from. Muhammad forbid the death of any Prisoner, and infact taught the Muslims to treat the prisoners like brothers, the Prisoners of war often got larger shares of food than the Muslims, proven by Hadith. And the Meccan's army was vastly greater than the Muslims, and Muslims had every right to raid the caravan in the 1st place.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 I dont have it here right now, but just try a simple google search for muhammad stories and im sure sure find plenty of sources. And believing the quran is true because the quran says so is the same crap the christians give, its called circular reasoning. Example "i know the bible is true because god says it is and I know this becasue it says so in the bible"
lespauls61 1 year ago
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@FireSign27 You say its about peace yet you say "And the Meccan's army was vastly greater than the Muslims, and Muslims had every right to raid the caravan in the 1st place." Sounds peaceful to me raiding caravans and killing everyone
lespauls61 1 year ago
@FireSign27 Heres a Koran passage tell me if its about peace. "Koran 8:67-68
"It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."
lespauls61 1 year ago
@FireSign27
Date: Late March-April, 623 A.D
Place: Medinah
Victims: Two of the most famous poets of Medinah, who had the courage to criticise the murderous actions of Mohammed and his gang are murdered by Muhammed and his gang
lespauls61 1 year ago
@FireSign27 As a fitting punishment for all his heinous crimes against women, it was a Jewish woman who poisoned him in her rightful quest for revenge after the battle of Khaybar. After living a life of rape, perversion, destruction and plunder, at the age of 62, Mohammed gasped his last breath on the lap of his 17 year old child bride Ayesha who watched him die a slow , long and horrible death.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 The Quranic Embryology is 100% correct. Other theories around at time were Aristotles, Hippocrates, and Galens, which ALL contained MANY inaccurasies and errors. So Muhammad being a 40 y/o illiterate was wiser and more knowlageable than Aristotle, Hippocrates and Galen? Muhammad says a few things in the Hadith, even about Embryology, which are very wrong, showing that Muhammad actually knew very little about Embryology. Muhammads knowlege contained errors, but Quran doesnt.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27
a) Quranic embryology is far from correct. Among other things, it talks about the embryo being a "clot of blood" long before any blood cell has been formed. Rampant apologetics is required to even begin to call it right. It's also laughably superficial.
b) Mohammed lived many 100s of years after all the people you mention. The reason people bring them up is because muslims seem to think no information about, or research in, embryology existed at the time - which is a lie.
Gnomefro 1 year ago
@Gnomefro a) The actual Quranic word used is Alaqa, not clot of blood. Alaqa's translation MUST contain a meaning of attachment, and it's "clot of blood" translation is due to the blood's ability to forms clots, by attaching to itself (RBC - Platelets).
b) Yes, Hippocrates, Galen and Aristotle lived many years before Muhammad. Their theories existed before the Quran, and some attempt to say Muhammad plagiarized them. Such a claim is very laughable.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@lespauls61 The Quran shows knowlege of many topics considered modern science - knowlege which simply DID NOT EXISTS in the 7 century, or anywhere near that time. An example is Embryology, the Quranic embryology is amazingly accurate, yet the theories of embryology at the time of the Quran were horribly, horribly inccorect (Where the Embryo was thought to be a PLANT, and boys/girls developing on opposite sides of the womb). The Quran contains NO scientific inaccuracy, which IS amazing.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 You must be a muslim because you keep trying to sell the koran. Your claims are common thoughts from the ages and nothing else. YOu say these are amazingly accurate then dispute that in the next line. The koran wasnt even written by the mohammed the slayer dude. it took decade to centuries of twisted hearsay till one of the goat herders was able to write something down.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 Yes, i'm a Muslim (well done). Yes my thoughts are common and widespread - thats a good thing ^^. The Quran was recorded by the Sahabas, Muhammad's close companions (since Muhammad couldn't read or write). It's amazing how an illiterate man revealed correct modern Embryology, that's one good guesser right there, specially considering the Aristotles (literally haha) of his time, had totally incorrect views on the development of the human.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 THERE ARE NO MORE FULFILLED PROPHECIES IN THE QURAN AS IN THE BIBLE. What seemed fulfilled. is either coincidence, or the prophecy has no EXACT IRREFUTABLE data, and something was bound to happen , sooner or later, fitting the prophecy, or the prophecy was adapted after the fact.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon The Bible contains MANY failed prophecies, while the Quran contains NONE. The Bible contains MANY contradictions, while the Quran contains NONE. The Bible has been corrupted by men's word, while the Quran contains NO words of men - but only the words which were revealed to Muhammad through Gabriel..
If you insist otherwise. Please, show me ATLEAST ONE contradiction in the Quran, or ATLEAST ONE failed prophecy.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@FireSign27 The Quran is no more beleivable as the bible or any other religious instruction book. They all claim divine origin, although they contradict each other in many ways.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon I asked you to provide me with just ONE contradiction in the Quran, and you have failed. Maybe you wernt aware of what i was asking of you, so i'll try again.
You say the Quran contradicts itself. The word of our Creator should not contradict itself. Please provide me with just ONE contradiction that you have found in the Quran, or stop saying the Quran contradicts itself. If you can't find a contradiction in the Quran - you shouldnt really be saying there are any contradictions.
FireSign27 1 year ago
@lespauls61 there are many greek historians that talked about christ. the existance of christ was never a debate. it was wether or not he was GOD ya moron!! only an atheist would think circle means flat. and there is tons of archeological evidence proving the miracles of the bible including the scorched mountain in saudi arabia. you are simply an arrogant atheist trapped in a paradigm of lies. enjoy your sad life.
EYEthatwatchestheEYE 1 year ago
@EYEthatwatchestheEYE Did your greek historians ever see the christ? I bet not.
So since when is centuries old hearsay evidence? Where are your eyewitness accounts? All your claimed bible miracles have no historical/scientific evidence of ever happening. None of them have any EYEWITNESS writings NONE. FACT-There is not ONE eyewitness account of Jesus or ANY supposed miracle NOT ONE. Its decades to centuries old BULLSHIT!!
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 they actually have other historical documents like Josephus and Tacitcus and others, you know. Now here's a question for you: did you see evolution happen or any of that kind of stuff?
15kwakmatthew 1 year ago
@15kwakmatthew Why leave it at Josephus and Tacitus.
There were over 40 philosophers and writers around the time when Jesus is supposed to have lived. It’s strange that hardly any of them mention someone who made as big a splash as Christ is supposed to have made.
Healing the sick, raising the dead. Surely that must have created some interest. Funny there is no contemporary writer who was around during Jesus’ supposed life who even mentions him. Continued…..
HonestMan395 1 year ago
@15kwakmatthew As for Josephus, who wasn’t even born until 3 years after Jesus’ supposed death, supposedly wrote about Jesus in a section of “Antiquities of the Jews” a piece called “Testamonium Flavianum.”
Scholars now believe that it was obviously written by the early Christian church as the writing obviously came from a Christian writer and slipped in to the writings to give authenticity. That would make it a forgery. But you can check it out for yourself.
Continued……
HonestMan395 1 year ago
@15kwakmatthew Flavius Josephus was an orthodox Jew to his the end of his life and would not have written anything describing Jesus “He was the Christ” which the writer does. Christians say that it was written in Josephus’s style, so part must be true. However the only part agreed upon is the first line. “Now there was about the same time.” That’s all. Will continue if you want me to, but it would be better if you did your own research. You’re more likely to believe that, or maybe not.
HonestMan395 1 year ago
@15kwakmatthew None of your sources are witness's. YOU are just as much of a witness as your sources.. FYI hearsay is not evidence
lespauls61 1 year ago
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@EYEthatwatchestheEYE Did your greek historians ever see the christ? I bet not.
So since when is centuries old hearsay evidence? Where are your eyewitness accounts? All your claimed bible miracles have no historical/scientific evidence of ever happening. None of them have any EYEWITNESS writings NONE. FACT-There is not ONE eyewitness account of Jesus or ANY supposed miracle NOT ONE. Its decades to centuries old BULLSHIT!!
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespaul name a verse in the bible where God says to rape. you are thinking about the qoran
EYEthatwatchestheEYE 1 year ago
@EYEthatwatchestheEYE If I remember my bible corectly, lot offered his own daughters up for what was nothing more than prostitution. the reward was supposedly to protect the angels who had visited. Why couldn't the angels protect themselves if they were supernatural beings?
HonestMan395 1 year ago
Probably the same guy, these v3.0 atheists here are worse than a group of pagan gypsies at an autumn festival waiting for the fatty scraps of the roasted hog. They are lying about the bible as usual. They obviously have no life to speak of, hanging around a Christian video, accusing and making fools of themselves. Pay no more attention to it. The video host should have blocked them a long time ago. Moving on....
Help4uNow 1 year ago 3
@Help4uNow IM not an atheist. Atheist think god doesnt exsist, I'm agnostic which is more realistic as no one knows if god exsists. You cant prove the exsistance of god either way. Only the dead know the answer so you believeing there is a god is just as bad as atheists who a certain there isnt a god. NO ONE KNOWS. The bible is a moraly corrupt book. Raping and murdering are OK according to the bible. WHere is your little sister I want to have my way with her.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 Atheist and Agnostic are not mutually exclusive. Athiest does not mean that god does not 100% exist, it just means you reject the claim that a god 100% exists. Agnostic just means undecided. You can be an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist.
sunset261 1 year ago
@Help4uNow silly comment diverting from the truth...that Jesus Christ is the ONLY name under heaven that promises to SAVE anyone who calls upon HIS Name from the heart... remember that when you draw your last few breaths here on earth...scoff now, mock now...but remember remember remember when you are leaving this world,to call out to Jesus to set you free from ALL darkness,sins and to save you from utter destruction.
0871368021 1 year ago
@Help4uNow Dude the proof is in archeological lack of evidence and lack of historical record.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@Help4uNow Well well, I suppose what can you expect of a christian. "Anything I don't like. Block it and ban it." How about imprisoning and burning books (and people). OH! you've already tried that and it didn't work.
If God is real and heaven is real and people like you are going there. Leave me out of it of it. I don't want to go to a Celestial North korea, where I will be watched for eternity and have to worship the Dear Leader.
HonestMan395 1 year ago
Hey Mike, these guys believe the bible speaks of horses with horns, and an ark built with weeds. Wish I had that much faith! LOL
pbar1000 1 year ago
@pbar1000 Why are you nimbly avoiding my question?
Well, actually, we both know WHY,
but shouldn't you at least give it a whirl?
You know, so it's not obvious
that you're sneaking around inconvenient questions?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
The reason most learned persons do not argue with such persons as imaginefree is because 1. There is very little space to make a cogent argument & 2. the internet & libraries are full of information with rational arguments why he is wrong on so many accounts. My purpose was not to argue but simply to point out for the immature or unlearned, that he is a deceiver, a God hater. Like a con man setting up a mark, he is interested in your ruin, although he seems to be selling truth & freedom.
gaseti 1 year ago
@gaseti *sigh*
more gossip and slander.
Poor little guy.
I'm sure you WOULD contribute something of substance if you could.
Until then I won't bother replying to your childish mud slinging.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
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@gaseti HaHa! You are so right about the uneducated and immature. This guy says "If you're just here to slander and gossip, what purpose do you imagine you serve?" Wow. A self-proclaimed slanderer and gossiper he is. This is typical behavior from a pagan. We are not surprised are we? Yet we will pray that his eyes be opened one day and he too will see the truth and joy in Christ Jesus. Amen.
pbar1000 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69, You say "peace" but you are obsessed with attack. How many times do you need to be corrected, and you want more? Do your homework and come back with some respectful attitude. Atheism 3.0 is cruel, hateful and ignorant of the facts. The bible has been proven to be true, don't expect others to do the work for you. Seek and you shall find Jesus. He stands at the door of your heart and knocks. (( :
pbar1000 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69, I pray that your eyes be opened one day and you too will see the truth and joy in Christ Jesus. If that is hostility to you, then you must not understand the concern that we have for you here. In the bible there was no account of 600 year-old goat herders building ships out of desert shrubs. There is no unicorn spoken of in the scriptures.
pbar1000 1 year ago
But there are a few talking beasts in the Old Testament, and many here on YouTube. You have proven yourself to be one of these in your unsuccessful attempt to discredit that which history, archaeology, forensics and physics, already have proven. Lighten-up, have a cheeseburger and go make your own videos about what you believe and leave us to worhip Christ. Thanks.
pbar1000 1 year ago
@pbar1000 "...there are a few talking beasts in the Old Testament"
Could you provide some EVIDENCE for talking beasts?
What with the flat earth and all
I'm not prepared to accept the unsupported testimony of scripture.
My grandpa once had a pet turtle
that played Edelweiss on the trombone,
but never with witnesses present.
It really frustrated Pops that no one believed him.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@pbar1000 Christ the myth you mean. You worship a god who condones rape and murder, your a sick fuck.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@pbar1000 Evidently you are not familiar with the contents of your Bible.
Noah was 600 years old and shittim is a desert shrub.
Unicorns to follow
(there are too many to fit in this comment box)
Seriously, dude, can you explain to me
why Christians make these proclamations about scripture
when they have never bothered to read their Bibles?
That puzzles me a good deal.
Can you explain that?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Psalms 22:21 thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
Psalms 29:6 He maketh them ...like a young unicorn.
Psalms 92:10 But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn
Deuteronomy 33:17 his horns are like the horns of unicorns
Job 39:9-10 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee..? Canst thou bind the unicorn ...?
Numbers 23:22 he hath ...the strength of an unicorn.
Numbers 24:8 he hath ..the strength of an unicorn:
Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Lets not forget the dragons and giants too, and how people regularly lived to over 900 years old. Oh and the earth is flat the sky is a dome, and the earth is held up by pillars. And the stars a little lights in the dome. There is much more but I will have to look the rest up as there is just to much amazing stuff in the bible to remember.
lespauls61 1 year ago
@lespauls61 "dragons and giants too"
And then there's the really bizarre stuff,
like the requirement to practice ritualized cannibalism
and the command to rip little girls
from the bloody arms of their murdered mothers
and take them home to share them with YHVH's priests.
THIS is the book they expect us to base our morality on?
How obscene.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 CAN YOU PLEASE BACK UP THIS STATEMENT WITH SCRIPTURE AND VERSE RE: "ritualized cannibalism and the command to rip little girls from the bloody arms"... The bible RECORDS History and what other nations and PAGAN religions did....but that is NOT saying Yahweh "commanded" anything like this or condoned... you really need to read the bible foryourself before making such accusations AND back it up 100%
0871368021 1 year ago
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Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@0871368021
I am always happy and ready
to back up my assertions with scripture.
You asked me to, and I did.
I hope to see a thank-you soon,
as well as an acknowledgement
that my statements are correct.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 I thank God for the truth... i dont thank you, you have given me no truth... and your looking for praise... i will pray for you instead... and you go on your journey and i continue on mine.. good luck.
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Imaginefree69 1 year ago
I will re-phrase it for you. There is no mention of a horse with a horn, in the Holy Bible.
pbar1000 1 year ago
@pbar1000 Now here is a very common phenomenon-
A Xian makes ignorant statements,
someone corrects him with proof,
and that's the sudden end of the conversation-
Xian pretends no answer was given
and moves on to new insults and mockery.
I wonder why that would be...?
"In the bible there was no account of 600 year-old goat herders building ships out of desert shrubs. There is no unicorn spoken of in the scriptures."
Wrong on both counts.
Care to respond?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Consumed by their sin they shall soon see the error of their ways and others shall witness their sudden destruction. This God does as a witness that those that know them personally & their blaspheming and lying against God will remember and understand, perchance, that their evil has been judged. God is not mocked, but not desiring any to perish, He is patient with many. However, at some point, He is the judge of when, He will act with sudden unexpected judgment.
gaseti 1 year ago
It would be my hope that those here unsure of what to believe absolutely not believe these men. For they are not interested in discovery of the truth, but as God and Christian haters, they are only interested in luring the unwary, the immature, the ignorant away from God and His word. This is what gives them satisfaction, like a game hunter has joy when he kills his prey or a grifter when his mark is sold. They are weighed down with wickedness, depraved & immoral, thus they hate God.
gaseti 1 year ago
Imaginefree & lespauls are just yanking everyones chain. Imaginefree is obviously well read (thus he knows better and is without excuse), plain & simple -he is a deceiver. However, since there have been many very wise and knowledgeable men down through the ages that, even if unbelievers, understood the Bible, Old & New Testaments, to be very valuable literary works and also books showing great understanding, he proves himself simply a scoffer and blasphemer, unworthy of further replies.
gaseti 1 year ago