hi my name is Carmine i have been going to some medical problems in the past couple of years. I would like to go to Peru to try to see if I can get healed. Can anybody please give me advice on who I should see or where I should go. Please email me at italianboy1119@aol.com i really appreciate it thanks.
The limit of your own understanding is not the measure of what is possible (and thank goodness for that!). It was no placebo effect that this man healed in 20 minutes a back condition I had for years. It was also no placebo effect that he healed within in one year an accident victim that had been paralyzed from the neck down and that doctors said would be dead in a few weeks. There are more things in heaven and earth, pushtana, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Well then, we all have our own beliefs. I don't believe any human has the power to do this. I believe only God and he alone has the power. But I'm just wondering, if these healing techniques are true such as soul retrieval and extraction, why doesn't the world go to them for help instead of doctors?
Think about it: Even though you don't know for sure if it works, you dismissed saying it was all in the mind without any inquiry. Thats why the world isnt going. I ask you: If God alone has the power to heal why isnt the world going to God instead of doctors? Scientifically, God healing is as irrational as a shaman doing the same. Does Gods healing power negate the skill or usefulness of the doctor? Or does God allow healing through the doctor (or a pill or prayer circle for that matter)?
Its no different with the shaman. The divine source of healing is the same. The effect is not in the mind. Spitting: that is not what gets the job done. Its part of the ritual. Just like bowing the head is how some pray. Bowing itself does nothing. Many indigenous people have colorful ways they pray and connect with God to do their work. So yes, you could heal by spitting water IF thats how you connect with God. Likewise, you could heal with medicine IF you know how to administer it.
Would you (and he) be willing to have his ways of healing subjected to scientific scrutiny (randomized double blind study)? Science makes no statement about all things immaterial, but as of now it is the only way through which we can obtain verified knowledge of the material world. While trying to not sound derogatory: Anecdotal evidence und personal experience may be significant for the individual, yet remain insignificant in terms of proof. (continued...)
Which brings us IMHO to this question: Do we prefer to remain (mentally at least) in a somewhat elusive (because immaterial) realm, about which ultimately no verifiable statement is possible, or do we accept to forfeit the allure of the immaterial to begin the path down the road of the material world, about which we at least can hope to obtain knowledge with some measure of certainty?
Of course. And he's not the only healer with results. Not only with the energy medicine but also with plant medicine too. Is anyone actually conducting these studies? Are they visiting any shamans to investigate? The people with more serious conditions like cancer have the evidence in their charts. A healer I know who cured herself of a thyroid condition with energy was written up in a medical journal decades ago. How many investigate further? How many say it was spontaneous and dismiss it?
A friend diagnosed with a rare incurable form of cancer was given 6 months to live. She cured herself using teas & herbs. When she went back to the doctor, he had NO INTEREST in her recovery. He told her to leave because he didn't want to hear it. This is not the first such story and this one didn't even involve anything mystical. Why is no one scrutinizing the dissmissive doctors? How many documented "spontaneous" healings are there that coincide with a trip to a shaman, shrine, herb shop etc?
which might result in an interesting study, should anybody be willing to put in the time, money and effort. The setup of such study is of paramount importance though, to make it clinically relevant, and right there might be the catch.
I do know that a number of methods of alternative medicine have been clinically tried an tested (homeopathy, accupuncture, etc.), some many times over, w/o any results though other than the placebo effect (which is not to be dismissed lightly!). Cont´d....
I do not know if shamanic healing has ever been clinically tested. I can try to look it up, as there are a number of websites dedicated to the question of the validity of alternative medicine.
The issue is touchy, b/c dismissing someones personal experience as anecdotal und therefore scientifically insignificant may come across as offensive. While remaining very much a sceptic, I myself have experienced an "unconventional" cure, in rather undramatic circumstances, though.
Yes, the entity that was extracted from the woman had to be removed from the shaman's stomach. It was a very powerful one. We ended up having to use a special crystal to get rid of it.
Wow! So many cultures spit on people for luck, or to ward off evil etc, but I've never seen it for real! Thanks.
HazelLuckman 6 months ago
@HazelLuckman I'll spit on anybody if they pay me.
Assclownery 2 months ago
I'm down to try almost anything at least once.
wyatt5550 1 year ago 6
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hi my name is Carmine i have been going to some medical problems in the past couple of years. I would like to go to Peru to try to see if I can get healed. Can anybody please give me advice on who I should see or where I should go. Please email me at italianboy1119@aol.com i really appreciate it thanks.
juliony72988 1 year ago
I believe this is all in the mind. Come on people, it's the placebo effect.
pushtana 2 years ago
The limit of your own understanding is not the measure of what is possible (and thank goodness for that!). It was no placebo effect that this man healed in 20 minutes a back condition I had for years. It was also no placebo effect that he healed within in one year an accident victim that had been paralyzed from the neck down and that doctors said would be dead in a few weeks. There are more things in heaven and earth, pushtana, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
AntoniaMartinez 2 years ago
Well then, we all have our own beliefs. I don't believe any human has the power to do this. I believe only God and he alone has the power. But I'm just wondering, if these healing techniques are true such as soul retrieval and extraction, why doesn't the world go to them for help instead of doctors?
pushtana 2 years ago
Also, I don't see how spitting water at someone gets rid of the negative energy inside of them. If i were to spit water at anyone, would it work?
pushtana 2 years ago
Think about it: Even though you don't know for sure if it works, you dismissed saying it was all in the mind without any inquiry. Thats why the world isnt going. I ask you: If God alone has the power to heal why isnt the world going to God instead of doctors? Scientifically, God healing is as irrational as a shaman doing the same. Does Gods healing power negate the skill or usefulness of the doctor? Or does God allow healing through the doctor (or a pill or prayer circle for that matter)?
AntoniaMartinez 2 years ago
Its no different with the shaman. The divine source of healing is the same. The effect is not in the mind. Spitting: that is not what gets the job done. Its part of the ritual. Just like bowing the head is how some pray. Bowing itself does nothing. Many indigenous people have colorful ways they pray and connect with God to do their work. So yes, you could heal by spitting water IF thats how you connect with God. Likewise, you could heal with medicine IF you know how to administer it.
AntoniaMartinez 2 years ago
Hi Mrs. Martinez,
interesting topic!
Would you (and he) be willing to have his ways of healing subjected to scientific scrutiny (randomized double blind study)? Science makes no statement about all things immaterial, but as of now it is the only way through which we can obtain verified knowledge of the material world. While trying to not sound derogatory: Anecdotal evidence und personal experience may be significant for the individual, yet remain insignificant in terms of proof. (continued...)
hanscgn1 2 years ago
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...continued;
Which brings us IMHO to this question: Do we prefer to remain (mentally at least) in a somewhat elusive (because immaterial) realm, about which ultimately no verifiable statement is possible, or do we accept to forfeit the allure of the immaterial to begin the path down the road of the material world, about which we at least can hope to obtain knowledge with some measure of certainty?
hanscgn1 2 years ago
Of course. And he's not the only healer with results. Not only with the energy medicine but also with plant medicine too. Is anyone actually conducting these studies? Are they visiting any shamans to investigate? The people with more serious conditions like cancer have the evidence in their charts. A healer I know who cured herself of a thyroid condition with energy was written up in a medical journal decades ago. How many investigate further? How many say it was spontaneous and dismiss it?
AntoniaMartinez 2 years ago
A friend diagnosed with a rare incurable form of cancer was given 6 months to live. She cured herself using teas & herbs. When she went back to the doctor, he had NO INTEREST in her recovery. He told her to leave because he didn't want to hear it. This is not the first such story and this one didn't even involve anything mystical. Why is no one scrutinizing the dissmissive doctors? How many documented "spontaneous" healings are there that coincide with a trip to a shaman, shrine, herb shop etc?
AntoniaMartinez 2 years ago
Hi,
which might result in an interesting study, should anybody be willing to put in the time, money and effort. The setup of such study is of paramount importance though, to make it clinically relevant, and right there might be the catch.
I do know that a number of methods of alternative medicine have been clinically tried an tested (homeopathy, accupuncture, etc.), some many times over, w/o any results though other than the placebo effect (which is not to be dismissed lightly!). Cont´d....
hanscgn1 2 years ago
...cont´d:
I do not know if shamanic healing has ever been clinically tested. I can try to look it up, as there are a number of websites dedicated to the question of the validity of alternative medicine.
The issue is touchy, b/c dismissing someones personal experience as anecdotal und therefore scientifically insignificant may come across as offensive. While remaining very much a sceptic, I myself have experienced an "unconventional" cure, in rather undramatic circumstances, though.
hanscgn1 2 years ago
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hanscgn1 2 years ago
I'm wondering why Estrada had his stomach spat upon. Why the stomach-and what was the purpose?
Aceile 2 years ago
My guess is that he coughed to get rid of the negativity he had just cast from the woman, but he had to get rid of it in his stomach as well.
cherryunderground 2 years ago
Yes, the entity that was extracted from the woman had to be removed from the shaman's stomach. It was a very powerful one. We ended up having to use a special crystal to get rid of it.
AntoniaMartinez 2 years ago
This is an amazing video! I'm fascinated by the healing/cleansing that shamans do! Thanks for posting it!
cherryunderground 2 years ago
powerful ceremony, you were privaledge to observe
peace and many blessings
Ken
shamanizing 3 years ago