Beware the blue -eyed devils wherever you find them, and in whatever disguise they wear. dont eat the drugged food they will give you. Dont chant the mind-control CIA MKUltra chants. Dont be fooled by fear and guilt-based manipulation. The brand of pagan/satanism practiced by the elite since ancient times of vikings, goths, romans, etc includes 'sacrifices'. The blood form this they drink, and are addicted to it. Sacrifices include both animals and humans. they control the world bank and govs.
How are Vampire Blood Sacrificing Brahmin Untouchable European Invaders spiritually advanced? Just ridiculous. Save your illuminati mind control chants for the CULT, dear programmee. These are not good people. They are deceivers, thugs, greedy, mad, mind-controlled servants of the elite. They belong in Europe, perhaps, but instead are around the world causing mischief and bringing violence and oppression wherever they go. Freemasons, Illuminati, Jesuits, Krishnas. Jain Dharma=the real India! :-)
hinduism is the aryan invaders' /mutants' (who practiced blood sacrifice & vampirism) adulteration of ANCIENT indian/african enlightened spiritual culture, which is best represented today by jainism and some forms of buddhism. nonviolence toward all life forms (ahimsa), meditation, equinimity, intelligence. organized religions are ALL run by illuminati cells (s mostly blue eyed/ nordic elite bloodlines and their servants. people argue because they dont really know WHAT IS going on, i believe.
Narayan Maharaj=blue eyed illuminati devil. disciples distributing drugged food to the unweary hippies they attack for the CULT. all the bickering is pointless. obvioulsy it is the blind led by the blind. all seem unenlightened. where words, bickering, and mind end, and silence, meditation, and equanimity manifest is where enlightenment begins, i would say :-)
@jainbuddha Well you could practise it yourself first before you preach. Enmity towards a greater personality spiritualy then you are is a way of saying I suffer from a superiority complex and think i am very elevated to make judgements on someone else because i think I am Jainbuddha. Grow up!
@devarsi Narayana Maharajas acharyas are, according to Jayadvaita swami, engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, you are correct, even snakes are not as degraded as your messiahs. Snakes do not engage in these deviations. First of all, find some acharyas who are more advanced than animals, then preach to us about what is what. ys pd
You sound as if your 13 years old. Please refrain from such blaspheme or else like Sisupala you may commit the 100th offense and have your head taken off like others in the past that have taken Vaisnava Aparadha lightly. PLease do not respond.
@servantofvaisnavas OK, but Sisupala was not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children like NM's messiahs? Why are you insulting Sisupla? Sispuala was actually very gentlemanly, he was not a child molester and drug addict like NM's messiahs. Nor does the average 13 year old think that the messiahs are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children either? 13 year old children know that messiahs are not deviants, but you folks have no idea? Told ya! ys pd
You are a fool. Shut your mouth and save yourself from your own stupidity. You obviously have never been in ISKCON or you would have remembered reciting the 10 offenses to chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord which includes blaspheming the pure devotees who have given their lives in the service of the Lord. Just hearing the tone of your voice you can immediately understand you are going to be negative and criticize. Enjoy burning in hell with Satan.
@servantofvaisnavas OK, one of the ten offenses is to say that the guru is an ordinary man. Narayana Maharaja's gurus are not even as qualified as an ordinary man. NM's gurus are monkeys. That means Narayana Maahraja's gurus are not even advanced to human plane, NM has animals for gurus. Of course, Narayana Maharaja is not advanced enough to worship and actual monkey, since his gurus have illicit sex even with children, his gurus are worse than monkeys. ys pd
You are a fool. Shut your mouth and save yourself from your own stupidity. You obviously have never been in ISKCON or you would have remembered reciting the 10 offenses to chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord which includes blaspheming the pure devotees who have given their lives in the service of the Lord. Just hearing the tone of your voice you can immediately understand you are going to be negative and criticize. Enjoy burning in hell with Satan
You are a fool. Shut your mouth and save yourself from your own stupidity. You obviously have never been in ISKCON or you would have remembered reciting the 10 offenses to chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord which includes blaspheming the pure devotees who have given their lives in the service of the Lord. Just hearing the tone of your voice you can immediately understand you are going to be negative and criticize. Enjoy burning in hell with Satan.
@servantofvaisnavas Even the worshippers of Satan do not have illicit sex with men, women and children. You folks are not advanced enought to worship Satan. Do not insult Satan by saying his followers are as degarded as NM's messiahs. ys pd
@pada1008 I do not claim to be advanced, but if you are lucky you will have the same fate as Jagai and Madhai. However, just remember what happened to Kamsa. Just imagine for a moment that you are wrong and Srila Narayana Maharaja were a pure devotee, you would certainly go to hell. Would Our Srila Prabhupada or Krishna be pleased with you?
@nandanugent OK, except neither Jagai and Madai and even Kamsa worship illicit sex with men, women and children like Narayana Maharaja gurus are doing? Why are you insulting Kamsa? Kamsa does not worship illicit sex with men, women and children, why are you making any comment about Kamsa? Kamsa is way above Narayana Maharaja's gurus by leaps and bounds, Kamsa would never worship such degraded behaviors ever, he has some dignity at least. ys pd
@pada1008 Actually it is said that Jagai and Madhai had performed every sinful activity-so perhaps they did have illicit sex etc. You should know that our Srila Prabhupada was merciful to conditioned souls who later became sex abusers inside Isckon, but does that mean he colluded with them-no of course not! The Vaisnavas are very merciful to all, regardless of their past activities.
@pada1008 Actually it is said that Jagai and Madhai had performed every sinful activity-so perhaps they did have illicit sex etc. You should know that our Srila Prabhupada was merciful to conditioned souls who later became sex abusers inside Iskcon, but does that mean he colluded with them-no of course not! The Vaisnavas are very merciful to all, regardless of their past activities.
@nandanugent OK so now you are saying that acharyas are conditioned souls, because the people the GBC makes into acharyas are illicit sex. Where did Lord Chaitanya say that the behavior of Jagai and Madia is the behavior of acharyas? ys pd
Just for the record; I have a bonafide guru, Srila Narayana Maharaja. It is well known that the actions of pure Vaisnavas are often beyond the understanding of the conditioned souls; they are very merciful. What is he actually doing when he embraces these people? Whatever it is, he is certainly beyond contamination. You are walking on very dangerous ground; please stop all this.
@sarojinius Narayana Maharaja supported the worship of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru program. No previous acharyas has ever supported this program. In fact, even hogs and dogs do not worship illicit sex with men, women and children? You have not yet come past the animal platform. ys pd
...and then you get the discrimination to tell who is worthy of respect and who not. You need a bonafide guru for this to happen. These are the facts. Don't blaspheme a Vaisnava .
I have not seen your video, nor do I care to, since Vaisnava aparadha is a serious offence. You do not have to take siksa from a Vaisnava if you do not feel a heart connection, simply stay away. I have never read that it is permissable to criticise others. Practise "Trnad api sunicena..." (I do not pretend that I myself am following perfectly but I am trying) and from saddhana done under the guidance of a bonafide guru one gradually comes to the stage of kanistha then madhyam,
Hare Krsna Radhe Radhe! All glories to the devotees of Krsna. I want to state here that i regrett very much what happened to the Gaidiya Math before Srila Prabhupada s Death til now. I light a lamp for the murdered Devotees. I hope that the different schools just can accept each other of this Bramha Sampradaya, rather than spitting poison. And please dont talk harshly about devotees just because you dont see the reason for pada`s Video. There is and the reason is; Krsna s revenge is at hand =}
Hey yourself, Narayana Maharaja invited me to his ashram "to talk," he then cancelled our 8 am meeting, then cancelled our 11 am meeting, then cancelled our 2 pm meeting, then cancelled our 5 pm meeting, I sat there for 10 hours, and then he sneaked off the property without seeing me at all. He obviously could not answer one question from us fleas from the flea bag department, he was defeated because Vedic debate rules says when a person cannot even answer one question, he is defeated. ys pd
@pada10 Even though you seem to be making offences to SNM, I don't think it is good to refer to yourself as "fleas from a fleabag" It is likely that you have some interest in finding out the truth before you can reconcile your experiences. I expect you did a lot of sincere service within Iskcon in the past and then got blown out by the scandals there. Sastra states that we have to approach the pure devotee with humility-what was your approach-angry? I hope and pray you can come to a resolution.
@nandanugent Well its simple, Sridhara Maharaja in 1936 supported a deviant as a guru, which resulted in people being killed and bad media scandals all over India. After 1977 he supported people engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children as his idea of gurus, and there was murders, and mass molesting. So even a flea in a flea bag does not worship illicit sex with men, women and children, so even a flea has a better grip on guru tattva that Sridhara Maharaja. ys pd
@pada1008 By the same reasoning some would say the same about Srila Prabhupada, that some were placed in positions of power within Iskcon and then went on to do all kinds of abominable activities with children etc. Of course our Srila Prabhupada would never have supported these types of deviants but theoretically they were his disciples. Perhaps this is what is hard to reconcile, how these kind of things take place-suffering and abuse when the Acharya is present. Maybe it is a question of faith
@nandanugent OK now you are mixing things up. As soon as we said that the GBC are only administrative / GBC/ ritviks, NM said that is bogus, they are gurus because "there is no such thing as ritviks." So Narayana Maharaja thinks that a person equal to Jesus is having illicit sex, he does not understand that the priests (ritviks) are having illicit sex. The disciples or priests may deviate, but Narayana Maharaja has made it appear that the gurus is deviating. Hence: monkey messiahs.
Dear Prabhu, this type of thing also happened in Iskcon, but no faithful person would claim that our Srila Prabhupada supported the deviants that were responsible for the abuse that took place there. The Acharya gives instructions- a chance to everyone- to advance, but if one does not follow it is not the fault of the guru. Actually Akhanda Guru Tattva states that siksa and diksa guru are one, a manifestation of Nityananda prabhu.
@nandanugent What happened in ISKCON is that in Janurary of 1977 Srila Prabhupada said his followers are not fit for sanyasa, and one year later, January of 1978, Sridhara and Narayana said that the people unfit for sannyasa are fit to be acharyas. So you are avoiding the point, Sridhara and Narayana said that the persons who are not fit for sannyasa are gurus and acharyas, and then these people started molester cults, and NM said we were offenders for opposing, so he helped the molester cult.
Hey pada1008 : You dont have any other work to do. You are burning with jealousy,ill will for whatever reason . You are sick. Do something good. Liberate yourself from this evil desire to besmircg, to destroy others. You are wasting your precious life, time. Nobody believes you. You are eaten by your desire to misinform,deceive gullible people ,innocent,illiterate,ignorant people,poverty riiden people. you might be getting lot of money from missionaries.
@pada1008 are you from IRM? your opinion is weak, you didnt even bother to ask Narayana Maharaja so he can clariffy and reconcile what he said. This thing youre doing is purely materialistic and self-serving.
where are you from? Srila Prabhupada and Narayana Maharaja are God brothers even maybe before you became a devotee.
Prabhupada refered to us with affection as his monkey disciples because the sun in India made our faces feet and hands very red and we would always jump and dance for his pleasure. As the presenter of this tapr didn't seem to understand this at the very begining of this video I didn't bother to listen to the rest of it.
Narayana Maharaja's messiahs are, according to Jayadvaita swami prone to "illicit sex, with men, women and children," since jivapav does not know that gurus / messiahs / acharyas / God's successors are not engaged like this, he cannot reply. Actually monkeys do not have illicit sex with men, women and children, so Narayana Maharaja's gurus are not even as elevated as monkeys. thanks pd
Hare Krishna, a suggestion-try chanting Hare Krishna instead of blasphemy. You cannot understand a pure devotee with a filthy conditioned material mind. Be humble and chant nicely, please give up your false pride, please come up to kanishta level at least. Radhe radhe.
xedvert, you are simply another dumb sheep! Humble, false pride, and the term kanistha level, are the usual arguments used by dickheads who have no real spiritual in-sight. If you had minute partical of the courage of PADA, then all the whack job molester bogus jesus's you attempt to argue in favour of would have failed.
Give up your bogus guru nonsense and worship the real GURU Srila Prabhupada
Maya creates plenty of engagementfor those who have desires to enjoys this world, I wonder if Srila Prabhupada is pleased with you? Anger, as you probably know, comes from frustrated desire, and leads to to loss of intelligence-then all is lost. I wish you peace and that Guru and Krishna will always bless you with bhakti.
Dear jojoruby, you may not realise that others also have faith in this wonderful Acharya.Srila Prabhupada personally requested that Srila Narayana Maharaja carried out his Samadhi when he entered Nitya Lila, which subsequently took place, It would be an offence to Srila Prabhupada to consider he was wrong in having Srila Narayana Maharaja carry out this most intimate service for him. Srila Prabhupada chose him as most qualified on the planet. I hope you progress and become happy!
seriously, I had enough of this now for good, you may see yourself as a champion of the people but this short encounter with you was entirely unpleasant, your repetitive bad mouthing of the pure devotee who is here to help the devotees and is doing so all the time, is nothing short of disgusting. Your false interpretations of Him will destroy you in the end, I know that for sure now. You won and I have peace of mind.
OK, so your idea is that people who support the illicit sex with men, women and children acharya program are pure devotees, never mind SNM not only supports that program he still hugs its biggest exponents, and he trash talked us all along so that he could squelch our protest of the mistreatment of children, target us for violence, and the result is he got thousands of kids molested, and he is still hugging the molester acharyas like KS. This is all documented, there is nothing false here.
and ones the doors r closed you can curse and shout and bang on the door till your fists bleed and you lost your voice, it will never open. Three monkey syndrom.
Yes, as soon as I said that child molesters are not gurus SNM said we are bogus, so he painted a bull's eye on our backs because we are the critics of the guru, so he got people killed that way, just as Sridhara got people killed for disagreeing with his messiah Vasudeva. SNM's guru tattva book says there was nothing wrong with the Vasudeva guru program, SNM likes to see us banned, beaten and shot. Sorry, there is plenty wrong with molester messiahs, "nothing wrong" will get us killed. ys pd
no he said your bogus because ritvik is not mentioned anywhere in SP books as the continuation for the disciplic succession and it isnt, full stop. Like you answered to words which i never said, implying that I have said them, making me look bad, you are also trying to distort SNM character in the same way. SNM never takes sides with molesters or false gurus, to say so is an outright distortion of truth, something you r famous for doing as a job.
Managers are not the disciplic succesion, you are misquoting me. I said SNM supported the Tamal / Jayadvaita guru program that engages in illicit sex with men, women and children, and even recently SNM hugs JAS, and he even hugs homosexual pedophiles claiming to be gurus like KS. SNM does not even talk to us, because he is in love and hugs with child molester acharya programs. There are videos of SNM-JAS and photos of SNM hugging KS, and KS is a molester whose program had people murdered.
actually i dont totally disagree with everything pada says, i also know false gurus have done many horrible things using their taken powers and a lot of them are gone, others received some pretty bad karma and so on, but I dont like judging the sinner I like to condemn the sin. I think the best way of action is to go into the liquor shop and preach proper siddhanta that is extremely powerful, more then shouting "u disgusting wine drinkers" to which they & their customers close all doors.
Acharyas are disgusting wine drinkers who are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children? That means you have zero respect for acharyas. Isopanisad says false gurus are destined for the most obnoxious regions, false gurus have a worse future than ordinary man, and SNMs gurus are not even as advanced as ordinary man, who is not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. Yes, SNM gave these children bad karma, that means he is creating bad karma. Acharyas and wine drinking?
u r a rascal answering to words & meanings which i have never written in the first place, actually its something u r very famous for and I find that extremely dull. If that is really how your mind works, then that's pretty bad.
Pada "You can orchestrate us being murdered by saying we are bogus. " You know what? I am trying my best here, but despite all my efforts I simply can not see how what I write to pada, will get them killed?
By calling us non-molester worshipers "ritvik deviants," and hugging the molester messiahs, SNM is endorsing the bad guys and condemning us exposers, yes, that is how our friends were assassinated, SNM endorsed the perp sabha and criticized the exposers of the perps, and so the exposers were murdered, just as exposers of Sridhara's 1936 guru were murdered. Yes, endorsing the bad guys and critcizing the exposers gets people killed in post 1936 and 1977. that is correct. Thats what happened. ys pd
Ritvik is definitely not sastric as a replacement for the sampradaya, because a genuine spiritual master does not change anything that has been given by The Lord Himself as a system for continuation. The people who promote ritvik promote a system which can not be seen as a disciplic succession as described and created by The Supreme Lord Himself 1000s of years ago. As It Is, is At It Is. Srila Prabhupada " There is no need for any change" Over and out
SNM changed the whole parampara idea, he endorses the molester messiahs and he still hugs the leaders of the molester messiahs program. SNM's molester messiahs project has nothing to do with Krishna? The illicit sex messiah project of SNM is not the parampara AS IT IS, it is a deviation, period. His parampara molested thousands of children, that means he changed the process. No previous acharyas were molesters, nor do they hug fools who promote molester messiahs. thanks pd
BG.4.36 Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge you will be able to cross over the ocean of miseries."
The answer to all problems therefore is pure spiritual knowledge & loving service to Sri Radha and Krishna, this will kill everyone's demonic mentalities & solve everything for everyone. A devotee goes into the liquor shop to give Krishna, He says to the rascals oh you r so wonderful have this book please
Right, so when people artificially pose as God's messiahs, they can perform sinful acts because we are supposed to forgive. This is Satvarupa's favorite verse, he often says the ISKCON gurus are to be forgiven and he was SNM's maid servant. Problem is, this verse does not apply to the acharyas, it is fobidden to consider that the acharyas are falling down. As soon as Nita said acharyas can fall, he was kicked out of ISKCON. This verse does not apply to Krishna's successors, they arent fallen.
Thanks, you are saying that promoters of illicit sex with men, women and children as Krishna's successor acharyas are situated on the boat of transcendental knowledge. You want to hug them, nevermind their idea molested thousands of children and killed us dissenters. There is no standard for acharya, he may be pure, he may be abominalbe, he may even have sex with children, he may orchestrate murdering us, that is fine with you. You can orchestrate us being murdered by saying we are bogus.
naa u dont wanna hug them ! and they really have molested 1000s of children whow! and they really all actively promote strange sex with all genders? and all of them killed dissenters conspire to murder all of you? and 10000s of devotees who have knowledge of proper standards they cant see that? they r all either totally ignorant about it or they are also molesters and killers of all genders, together in a worldwide conspiracy. Amazing
Well SNM does, he hugs people who say acharyas are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and he even hugs homosexual pedophiles who are still using acharya titles. Kirtanananda is the person who got children molested and dissenters beaten and murdered, and SNM hugs that person, but he does not have two seconds to speak to us. He loves the molester - murderers program posing as messiahs. Kirtanananda is part of the conspiracy to molest and murder, he was arrested and put in jail.
BG 5.21 "Such a liberated person is not attracted to material sense pleasure but is always in trance, enjoying the pleasure within. In this way the self-realized person enjoys unlimited happiness, for he concentrates on the Supreme." This means His mind and heart are not materially motivated at all, His activities r pure. In kamsas arena however, some my see Him in a negative way by dint of their own faulty vision. In reality the Sp Master is an expansion of the Supersoul & acts accordingly.
Right, guru is an expansion of Supersoul. So when SNM's so-called expansions are engaging in illicit sex, he his juxtaposing Krishna's expansions and illicit sex. Thats why SNM left me waiting outside his room for ten hours without saying one word to me, yet he hugs molester messiah project's leaders like Jayadvaita and Kirtanananda, in sum he loves molester messiahs project and its leaders. Neither these fellows has recanted, JAS sticks by his writing and KS is still saying he is guru. pd
BG 5.18 The humble sages, by virtue of true knowledge, see with equal vision a learned and gentle bramana, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste]." Pada instead tries to make his readers view everything from the bodily platform, he does not preach, he only accuses. Uttama Adhikaris like SNM do the opposite, they know what's going on and so they try and save everyone from hell by giving only Krishna the most purifying, nothing else.
Correct, SNM sees with equal vision: Monkeys; Acharyas; Tamal -- SNM says is Radharani's dear tree as Tamal puts molesters into the guru seat; Jayadvaita's illicit sex posing as Vishnupadas; Kirtanananda's posing as guru even today is to be hugged; And while SNM is hugging the molester messiahs project, he leaves me sitting outside his door for ten hours because as soon as he sees someone who does not promote the worship of molester messiahs, he suddenly loses his equal vision. ys pd
"if he repents, otherwise not" is a clear statement, it does not mean they repented. An acaryas only mission is to help the fallen souls go back to Krishna no matter who they are. He does not get involved with anything else, this is also Krishnas opinion BG 9.30 /31 Pada seems to think that an acarya has to be political or take sides no! Ultimately he sees everyone as servants of Krishna & He tries to give them what they are missing like the devotee who sells a BG in a liquor shop.
Jayadvaita writes that gurus are having illicit sex with men, women and children, SNM is embracing this man even now, but SNM leaves me sitting outside his door for ten hours, because SNM embraces molester messiahs project and not those who fail to promote worship of molesters. SNM has taken sides, he hugs the molester messiahs and anyone who does not promote his molester messiahs is a bogus, poison ritvik. He has taken the side of the molester messiahs and he says we critics are all bogus.
SNM has been seen hugged by Jayadvaita and Kirtanananda, later one of SP disciples ask Him about it.The question was "how can one forgive the unforgivable" SNM answer was simple "if he repents, otherwise not" I think this should be seen in the light of BG 9.30 Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated in his determination.
Jayadvaita mj has not repented? He wrote that ISKCON's gurus are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. I asked him about that last year at Rathayatra, he is sticking with that. So if you say that Krishna's successors are sex fiends, SNM will hug you, you are correct. Kirtanananda is still saying he is the guru Bhaktipada and he is taking disicples, he has not changed anthing? So if you say you are God's messiah guru, and then molest small children, SNM hugs you, you are correct.
I will not reply to pada any more but may be simply occasionally post something of benefit. The veda base mentiones the word Rasika 173 times, it means "rasika —those who are full in the knowledge of mellows"
No one replaced the disciplic succession with monkeys, they put them selves falsely into it and they are only in your head messiahs. I can see now that this conversation has to be over because as a result of feeding you my replies you are becoming more & more poisonous and offensive in yours. So Its now impossible for me to stay here, because I doubt this will get better, only worse
SNM said they are (a) monkeys (b) seen as gurus. SNM told Jayadvaita the eleven have to be seen as gurus. SNM was supporting Tamal all the time. SNM had a rasika club out of many of these gurus. SNM spoke at their festivals. SNM was their "rasika shiksha guru advisor." SNM helped SDG write bogus guru papers, and so on and so forth. There is a recent video of SNM hugging Jayadvaita, the guy who says gurus engage in illicit sex, and SNM was hugging Kirtanananda, etc. He supported and still does.
u r quiet good at twisting what I have said. Managing ritvik priests replacing the genuine disciplic succession r not found in sastra & not found in SP books, which are the spiritual law books for the next 10000 years. According to SP books, from a low position to kanista adhikaries "monkeys" r 2 b elevated 2 bcome madhyam then uttama via sadhu sanga, the association of pure devotees, that is what our philosophy is all about. U reject these conclusions SP instructions.
You folks have replaced the entire disciplic succession with monkeys? Of course as I have pointed out, SNM's messiahs are "engaged in illict sex with men, women and children," so his messiahs are not even as advanced as monkeys. So SNM wanted the children of ISKCON to worship monkeys as messiahs, and the result was there was no managing, there was mass abuse. SNM cut off the managing and made whacky messiahs, and the children were abused on a mass scale. And he is proud of that. ys pd
yes it is totally true, ritvik as a bonafied system for the continuation of the disciplic succession is not right. Why? because Krishna Himself established the "disciplic succession", it never changes. With ritvik there can not be a disciplic succession. The system "as it is" is perfect, there is no need for any change SP said that. He meant the system which The Lord Himself had established and which is timeless.
System is: one needs to worship a pure devotee and not molesters. When Sridhara and SNM say they do not want any manager priests (ritviks), the result is no managing or at best mis-managing, and that opnes the door for their homosexual messiahs project as the did in 1936Normal anarchists rob the bank, these anarchists want to destroy the managing so they can make their homosexual and criminal guru sytem. Ritvik system means managing, they do not want that, they create criminals as gurus.
yes ritvik is not in sastra or SP books and apart from that a persons criminal tendency is not changed by becoming a ritvik rep. Thats a fact. We dont know whats going on in the ritvik camp because no one investigates, its the kettle calling the pot if you ask me. We are given the opp to become pure dev by associating with pure devotees, its called sadhu sanga. Ritvik & Iskcon alike denies this to their followers. The only pure devotee for another 10000 years is SP? the philosophy does not work?
We can worship monkeys as messiahs, that is found in shastra? And now you are saying that managing priests are not found in shastra? So we disband the managing, and the result is we starve, beat and molest the children, because there is no managing in shastra? There is no such thing as managing priests, so let the children get molested and die, do not manage them? So SNM says there is no managing i.e. ritviks found in shastra, so he wants banning, beating, molesting and no check and balance.
Again what is your answer. SP did not do anything and kept quiet about the gurukula abuse, but He was all knowing was He not? I think He was and He still installed people with bad habits like bhavananda into trustworthy positions, so what where His priorities and why did he not install nicer devotees which where available? every dev who understands Guru Tattva properly can confirm ritvik as parampara replacement is not in sastra, so they all want abuse instead? You clearly lost it
Srila Prabhupada didnt keep quiet, he said when there are crimes in ISKCON, call the police. He said extra care is needed so MANAGE children nicely. SNM then says, there is no such thing as managing priest found in shastra, toss out the managing, and worse, he said those of us defending the children are bogus ritviks, so he insured the molesting went on by silencing us critiics. SNM supported Tamal's Bhavananda VISHNUPADA program! In fact SNM helped get critics killed by saying we are bogus. pd
thats right I toyally agree, there is no such thing as ritvik priests continuing the disciplic succession in any sastra, if there is, show the world, here is your chance.
plenty of recordings but non where he says this. He tried to help them to come up to standard, not agreeing with any molester program, that is totally absurd. The situation was not suited to outright reject them openly, which would have resulted in their "disciples" rejecting Him to... The only way was trying to elevated them to become proper gurus. This means He did not supported them in your terms, but supported the plight of their disciples trying to make sure they get thought properly
Today we can see the result of rejecting SNM, so many gurus have fallen down and have shown that their training was indeed not complete like SP said, their disciples are in trouble, the old story. They chose false guru ship over the austerity of a few years with SNM to advance properly. The GBC was pulling on one end telling them to leave Him, threatening to end their careers and He was pulling on the other to make them austere and proper. They got carried away, that was not His fault.
This is the real story, an Uttama adhikari like SNM does not get cosy with kanistha adhikaries like you like to portray. He teaches them. You see the devotee getting into a liquor shop thinking he is a drunk and i see the devotee going there to help the shop assistants. Again why do you think SP overlooked their bad qualities giving them high positions of trust which He "who was all knowing" knew they would / could abuse? He did not say anything about the guru kula abuses either?
SMN taught them that they are not administrators (ritviks), they are gurus, with disciples, and they are fit for rasika and so on. SMN thinks the church clerical assistant needs to be worshiped equal to Jesus, he has no discrimination. The administrator is not the messiah. SNM says we need no (ritvik) administration process, let the criminals take over and ban, beat and kill people, no administrative check and balances. And now he is proud of the results! He created mayhem and he is proud? pd
These GBC were falling down all along in the 1970s, so Srila Prabhupada said they all need to get married. These gurus were falling down in 1979 before SNM was their big rasika leader. They were falling down singe 1965, and they still are, because they are not gurus! Gurus do not fall donw, they were only appointed as administrators (ritviks). SNM thinks they could not have been appointed as ritviks because he thinks monkeys are messiahs! No, they were only appoitned as GBC, not as acharyas.
You cannot make monkeys come to the standard or Radha's servants? Totally absud. First the monkey need years of training, maybe lifetimes of training. Sridhara's idea, you monkeys just put on the achayra uniform and you are acharyas, wear the uniform. Monkeys who dress like acharya, are then acharyas? Monkeys also have no disciples, monkeys are acharyas who have disciples? You are getting more absurd yourself. Monkeys cannot be elevated to proper gurus, they are not gurus in the first place.
that is why Srila Prabhupada said "The training is not complete" so who was supposed to complete the training? Srila Narayana Maharaja was and He tried and yes you can make kanistha adhikaris come to the standard of Srimati Radhikas servants, that is the whole purporse of our philosophy and training in case you have forgotten.
Pada "at the same time saying molester messiahs are fit for Hari katha" Come on Pada now provide proof for this as well. A recording of SNM saying this. You can say anything and you do, it does not matter any more to you what you say as long as it discredits SNM and all others who don't believe in ritvik, is that not the real truth of your campaign? Like "barking dog" on You Tube who edited & falsified a video of SNM to make him look bad.
Ample proof, Tamal, Sivrama, SDG, Giriraja, all leaders of the molester messiahs program were sitting around getting Hari Katha from SNM for years, there are so many documents and letters that the GBC was saying about this, there are recordings of Tamal with SNM, SNM was sitting in Dallas with Tamal, Tamal was sitting with him, where have you been? This is all well known, as is SNM criticing us non-molester pooja-ites. SNM was cited in the 1990 IJ, supporting the molester messiah project pd.
There are plenty of recordings of SNM giving Hari Katha to the leaders of the molester messiah program. SDG for example is writing that Kirtanananda is like Jesus, and SNM is glorifying SDG, so when molesters are being compared to Jesus, and we are protesting, SNM is glorifying the critics of Jesus and he is saying we are bogus for defending. And SNM says the worship of departed guru like Jesus is bogus, so better to worship molesters than Jesus? SNM is insulting Jesus too. thanks pd
excuse me, but i was asking you why Srila Prabhupada installed bad people as GBCs knowing that these are positions of trust and which can be exploited? Stop babbling on nonsense about SNM and answer me this question. SP made homosexuals and child abusers GBCs & by doing so putting them in positions of great power, despite knowing what they where capable of. Are you saying SP did not know? & still no documentation proof from you.
Pada.."he says anyone who criticizes the violence against vaishnavas project is "a bogus ritvik," .........Again Pada, lots of nonsense coming from you. let me hear these words myself and provide proof from a recording of Him saying this. Everyone can make Propaganda.
Proof is: all of the leaders of the molester messiahs project were sitting as SNM's feet for 15 years, he propped them up as his favorite people, meanwhile he was saying the critics of his molester messiah program are bogus. I have his Guru Tattva booklet which cites there was nothing wrong with Ananta Vasudeva, so there is nothing wrong with homosexual messiahs who ban, beat and assassinate the vaishnavas. This is a printed document. SNM was always been the pal of Tamal and critic of us. pd
Well yes, he made defective people as GBC, so did Srila Saraswati Thakura in 1936. Ananta Vasudeva was a homosexual and a big devotee in their mission. So? As soon as Lord Chaitanya departed many sahajiya cult developed from some of His so-called followers. So yes, the followers might be defective, Jesus also had defective followers. My point: no acharya has ever endorsed a homosexual and child molester guru empire as SNM and Sridhara do. Ananta Vasudeva was made the acharya, thats deviation.
There is not one recorded letter lecture conversation anything where He says "I endorse them" If He did & was as corrupt the picture you paint of Him, He would have got as many students & Prabhupada siksa disciples as He does. We all reject unfit persons as Acaryas & we r not so stupid as to take on anyone to give us siksa.
SMN said they are living gurus, he said Tamal is the dear tree of Radha, and so much other things, he was their biggest advocate and cheer leader, and he was helping Satsvarupa write whack job documents. Even BV Puri said that SDG writing about his enenas and the gopis is the result of SNM polluting the GBC. Even BV Puri said, this SNM is teaching worse than the sahajiyas, SNM was their advocate and even BV Puri knew that. And SDG even recently wrote about his enemas, hah hah, what a guru. pd
Incidentally, SNM told some of the ISKCON gurus, and Rupa vilas told me also, that in 1978 SNM said his guru had ordered him not to initiate anyone because he was not qualified, and Vamana had been appointed to initiate. BV Puri confirmed this and said SNM was not authorized to initiate and had been told not to. And now we know why his guru said he is unqualified, he supports monkeys as gurus and defends them to "keep the faith of the disciples" in monkey pooja. I have no faith in monkey pooja.
defective people are one thing, but they where more then just defective considering what happened during Prabhupadas presence and after. Still Prabhupada let the gurukula abuse happen he did not say anything and later he made them GBCs. Giving them trust worthy positions, the highest in Iskcon. People like this should not even have trustworthy positions by which they can exploit others, you dont agree?
SNM spoke Hari Katha to them for that reason only, did not SP himself write and say that by hearing and reading about the rasa dance with the proper understanding, the disease of lust in the heart is completely eliminated? and is it not true that when lust is gone, that so many other bad things r also gone and a devotee becomes a proper candidate for being a genuine guru? SNM is well qualified to make them into genuine gurus and to "complete the training" this is what SP wanted
Yes, the GBC are banning, beatin, molesting and assassinating the vaishnavas, and SNM is telling them there is nothing wrong with the 1936 homosexual guru, there is nothing wrong with their program, in fact he defends Tamal at every step, and worse, he says anyone who criticizes the violence against vaishnavas project is "a bogus ritvik," so he is discrediting anyone who objects to the molester messiahs, at the same time saying molester messiahs are fit for Hari katha. Yes, that is right. pd
so why not try that for a change because all one ever hears from you is "he did this and he did that"
and its very strange how you r so absorbed into it?
SP did not get absorbed in it or stopped it and neither did any other acaryas despite these things being present? because they all know that getting involved is taking attention and focus away from KC & preaching, which is the only cure for all these things. It stands above all other concerns, this is a fact.
Srila Prabhupada wrote to SNM saying that the Gaudiya Matha appointed guru process is bogus, he told SNM not to endorse bogus gurus, but SNM never listened. Prabhupada told us that Sridhara's guru had people beate, skulls cracked with bricks, and some were killed, and this was in the media of India an ruined the name of the mission. So SNM supported another program that beat and assasinated devotees, and ruined the name of the mission, he did what the 1936 deviants did, but for ISKCON. pd
Krishna Katha ,bhakti is the only medicine for all misgivings of the heart, nothing evil can remain in its presence. This is why we try to become Krishna Conscious no? The answer is not protesting and blaming and finger pointing, the answer is to become Krishna conscious by becoming absorbed in Hari Katah, that is the route given by all the acaryas in our line. Pure Hari katah is the answer, because evil can not prevail in its presence.
we can not say that because the previous acaryas never protested against these things that they did not exist, but for the sake of delivering the fallen souls they choose to preach and speak Hari Katha, they never get involved in personal issues of others like mundane gurus do. They know that only Hari Katha is the mediciene, nothing else. That is the real cleansing of unwanted elements and dirty minds. Speaking Hari Katha is the only remedy for everyone....
Srila Prabhupada did protest the Gaudiya Matha, the sahajiyas, the babajis, the smartas, and so did Srila Saraswati thakura. SNM did not speak Hari Katha, he said that the molester Vishnupada program and its cheifs like Tamal, SDG, Sivarama etc are all bona fide, and anyone who criticizes the molester messiahs is a bogus ritvik, that means, he is supporting molester messiahs, this is not Hari Katha? Hari does not pal around with molester messiah projects? Hari supports us, the critics of same.
SNM was saying that these molester messiahs are bona fide, he was Tamal's best pal for years. While all the the devotees are being banned, beat, molested and killed, SNM is treating the leaders of the perps as advanced Hari katha devotees. This is like the priests who are knowingly offering blessings to the mafia, that means those priests are implicated in the crimes of the mafia. SNM is always blessing the GBC and Sridhara's homosexual guru program, nothing wrong he says, oh really? ys pd
now by pressing the tear drops and being very moral you r really sidestepping these truths in order to push on ritvik, but u & iskcon both got the wrong end of the stick. Guru is self illuminated & upon finding such a person one should surrender humbly, ask questions and so on. The proper practice of bhakti actually produces such personalities & they do exist right now on this planet, such persons are never interested to take SP position or replace Him.
I am not side stepping any issue. While the children were getting molested and devotees were being banned, beat and assassinated, Narayana Maharaja was giving rasika classes to the leaders of these perps. I was protesting and SNM said we're bogus ritviks, he thought he could side step the mistreatment issue by making a show of the ritvik issue, so he diverted the criminal mistreatment issue into the ritvik issue and he also said we were wrong to protest. So he helped the molester messiahs, pd
There where just very few not the whole GBC. The fact is that if He would have gone against the rest of the GBC it would have done nothing at all, they where all set on course, in fact things would have become worse, instead He was able to try & teach some of them, which btw are not child molesters, something of value (Krishna consciousness) which otherwise would not have been possible. The criminal mistreatment issue can be solved by becoming Krishna conscious.
Sridhara Mj said there is no such thing as GBC in the vaishava dictionary, and SNM said there is no such thing as ritviks (GBC). They did not want managers, because when there is no managers, there will be rampant banning, beating, molesting, and assassinating, and no program to check that. They did the same thing in the Gaudiya Matha, no managing, make absolute tyrants, and then vaishnavas will be beaten and killed because of no managing process. Under SNM, the number of molesters increased.
Srila Prabhupada knew they would push on the movement and so He used them to do so. If bad things happened to devotees, they would have happened in a worse ways anyway in those devotees karmi lifes. Srila Prabhupada can see the past and the future, so better experience a reduced bit of karma in the temple atmosphere rather then as a karmi getting the full wag. That is why SP let it happen. he knew they would do wrong but the movement had to be pushed on.
Yes, the leaders were doing bad things and SNM was saying the bad leaders are living messiah gurus, so he made the victimization ten million times worse, he said the leaders of the molester messiahs are gurus, making it almost impossible for us to protest, and thus we got banned, beat and shot because SNM empowered the perps as messiahs. He empowered the criminals, if you say a bunch of criminals are as pure as Jesus, then you make it dangerous to protest, so he wanted to defend them, pd
Srila Prabhupada gave them very high positions, not guru positions of course, but they where positions which where used to ruin some devotees life's, so are you not going to blame Srila Prabhupada to? I would suggest that the reasons for SP giving them such positions & the reasons for SNM trying to help them advance are both innocent and justifiable and can be seen in the right light.
Srila Prabhupada said they are not even fit for sannyasa, SNM empowered them as acharyas, so yes, SNM is responsible for empowering them as acharyas, because Srila Prabhupada said all the time they are not fit for acharyas. So if you call a deviant a guru, that empowers him to ban, beat, molested and kill the vaishnavas. Apart from that SNM wrote a booklet and in the book it cites "there was nothing wrong" with the 1936 acharya, so he endorses banning, beating, assassinating, its not wrong! pd
Srila Prabhupada gave them sannyasa and they empowered themselves as acaryas. Still you r again sidestepping why Srila Prabhupada put them into high GBC positions from where some where able to exploit the devotees. Even so Srila Prabhupada knew what kind of persons they where He also saw nothing wrong with putting them into such positions? What kind of higher perspective did SP have when He did so? The 1936 "acarya" was not even a paedophile
No, SNM empowered them as acharyas, he supported their acharya claim as did Sridhara. He said those who protest their false claims are bogus, so he supported them and chopped the legs off the protestors, so he empowered the molester messiah's program. And he still does, he still says we were bogus ritviks who should not have protested his molester messiah program. He is proud that so many children were victimized under his policy and program. SNM was the mastermind of keeping them in power. ps
no one supports an acharya system that engages in these things and neither is ritvik supported in the sastras as a bonafied system for the parampara. Why Krishna? because not a blade of grass moves without His permission. He is situated within everyone hearts and guides everyone's movements.
SNM not only supported the bogus GBC gurus, his guru tattva booklet says "there was nothing wrong" when Sridhara made the 1936 homosexual acharya, where people were banned, beat, assassinated, had their faces pushed into dog stools, and SNM books say there is nothing wrong with treating the vaishavas like this. I disagree, I do not like to ban, beat, assassinate and push the devotees faces into dogs stools, nor do I say there is nothing wrong by doing that. I say, this is wrong. thanks pd
Krishna is in everyone's heart. So when His children are being tortured by a bogus guru program, it is our duty to act as Krishna's agents and protest. But Sridhara Maharaja said I was wrong to protest, later SNM said we were bogus ritviks, so SNM diverted the issue from the molesting, so they protected child abuse and claimed they had the authority to do that to stop "the rtiviks." Krishna cares about children, he does not care one fig for arguing over titles. I am not priest / ritvik?
Srila Prabhupada was all knowing, He knew what was going on in the gurukulas and that was long before SNM, yet SP did not say anything. later He made those people into iskcon main managers, you explain to me why? You go on about SNM, but tell me why did SP gave them these positions? It shows trust /faith in them does it not? and yes ritvik is not in sastra where it should be, if it was a genuine system for the disciplic succession, but it isn't. Living guru is!
sometimes we may see a devotee entering a liquor or butchers shop and conclude that he is breaking the principles, but does he? should he be condemned as being one of them? Have we seen him drinking wine and eating meat telling them its good they do it? Actually the truth is, that he went there to give them his mercy, so should we not glorify his bhakti to help the fallen souls in the shops to get out of their mess? In SNM case the shop assistance approached Him.
Pada your view point of SNM is similar to that of the rascals who saw Krishna as a rascal in Kamsa arena. Like always you twist and distort as it suits you, to further your bogus ritvik parampara idea which Srila Prabhupada never even mentioned just once in His books as the future sampradaya system? remember..."everything is in my books?" "My books are the spiritual law books for the next 10000 years" So where is ritvik explained in the books, as the future system of the disciplic succession?
Krishna never supported an acharya system that engages in illicit sex with men, women and children? Why are you dragging Krishna into this affair? ys pd
SNM's messiahs are going into the buthcer shop, they are drinking liquor, they are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, they are having devotees baned, beaten, molested and assassinated, they are being arrested and put into jail, they are shooting guns at occupied buildings etc. yes, his messiahs are doing all of the above. And as soon as I said that these gurus were bad, SNM defended keeping Tamal and the above guru empire going, and SNM criticized us, and defended them. ys pd
1st of all they r not and never have been SNM messiahs. That is stupid talk. They have always acted independent against His advice and guidance. SNM has tried to help them getting out of the mess they where digging themselves into. He did this, in order to serve Srila Prabhupada, who incidentally "supported" them by giving them managerial positions. Being all knowing, He knew what they where like and still He did so. He asked SNM to help them because in His words "the training is not complete"
SNM supported them as gurus, not managers, and SNM contantly associated with Tamal, Sivarama, Giriraja, Satsvarupa and the whole clan. He defended and supported them over and over and over. He was giving them advice that their living guru program is bona fide. Sridhara said there is no such thing as GBC, so they did not want managing, so the crimes went unchecked. SM and SNM said they are gurus and not managers (GBC). So without managing, children were starved, beat and molested. Thanks pd
I remember the paper on the notice board in Bhaktivedanta Manor which said that Sivaram Giriraja and the others had been given an ultimatum to split with SNM or loose their guru status (rediculous in itself) this came at the same time SNM told them to come to Vrindavan to be trained. Unfortunately they choose their guru status and left SNM for good. SNM never supported anything other then Krishnas course.
Obviously they began to see Him as a danger to their false positions, which He was and rejected Him. Not only did they insist on their false guru ship, they also rejected the only person who could have helped them advance. he never agreed with them supporting that they where real gurus. he told them that "if you want to become proper gurus then you have to leave everything "your wealth,disciples, prestige" behind and come and live with me in Vrindavan for quiet some time and I train you"
attempting pure bhakti, in time, all evil will be destroyed. This is also the power of associating with the pure devotees of The Lord who are giving their mercy to us. If they would have continued associating wit SNM at the time and accepted His guidance, then He would have taken them out of their dilemma and put them right. That was His mission 4 the sake of the gurus disciples which would have had otherwise no proper direction from them.
SNM also thinks the same and yes ritvik is bogus full stop.You have no faith in the power of bhakti which is totally independent of a persons degraded nature creed culture or anything. If a person is a deviant therefore, he can not remain a deviant forever, because bhakti will cure him completely and very soon according to the Gita. That is of course if he is repentant and practices bhakti. He should be seen as a sadhu because his intent is proper
according to this sloka such a person is rigthly situated if he is repentant & practices properly, just like gold is purified by melting it. No devotee is condemned, despite being sinful or even criminal. Bhakti bestows her mercy like rain falls everywhere and even he will attain prema one day. This does not mean one can perform sinful activities on the strength of the holy name which is condemned and very sinful. In this way I think that even one who has been a false guru by repentance and.....
proper practice can be elevated by bhaktis mercy to a proper standard. BG 11.30. Devotion is the principle which destroyes all sinful acts, therefore exclusive devotion, bhakti is to be praised and not the sinful act,Bhaktis tremendous power destroys all sins and such person should still be seen as devotees, so we may reject the activities but we should know that bhakti itself can not be obstructed by anything, not even by an impure heart.
SNM does not fit into the category of "abominable" in relation to this sloka. He has never "endorsed" anything as horrible as child abuse...every true devotee knows this. He is a perfect spiritual gentleman, but Your attempts of character assassination of this holy saint and pure devotee, are truly the essence of abominable. So many knowledgeable veteran experts of KC identify Him as a very high calibre pure devotee which He is & so many kanisthas do the opposite trying to find stool .
As soon as I said that deviants are not acharyas, SNM said I was a bogus ritvik and he was defending the 11 and their hero Tamal, and Tamal was defending keeping molesters as gurus. SNM also says they are all monkeys, and he told Jayadvaita that the 11 will be seen as rati keli for the new disciples. Monkeys are not assistants to Radha, I hate to have to tell you that? Monkeys are not even on the human level, and they are assistants of the gopis and Vishnupada? You folks do not read shastra.
man i cannot accept these views you have on NarayanMaharaja..i guarantee when he leaves his body ISKCON will praise him...NarayanaMaharaja is a pure devotee of Krsna and what Pada1008 is saying is guru aparad
The people who say that gurus are "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" (JAS paper) are going to glorify him? You failed to answer the point, monkeys are not God's Vishnupada messiahs, and Narayana Maharaja is wrong to have supported these regimes. No pure devotee has ever endorsed the worship of illicit sex messiahs, and Narayana Maharaja himself says his messiahs are monkeys. Even a seven year old child knows that monkeys are not messiahs? A child can defeat you. thanks pd
So you think Sriman Hanumanji the servant of Sri Ram is not "messiah"?
Your assumption is the argument of an envious demon, is it not?
As Srila Prabhupada once said. I think you have stool for brains.
You think by ranting on you tube you will save the world but by doing so you have become the enemy of Srila Prabhupada and the greatest enemy of your soul.
how did Narayan Maharaja endorsed the worship of illicit sex messiahs...what are your veiws on NM disciples?...listen i dont know what has been said or not but i hate this whole thing...this is worng i mean we are all devotees cant we get on? Haribol
In 1978 Jayadvaita swami asked NM how disciples of Prabhupada could view the eleven as rati keli gurus. NM said Prabhupada's disciples can't see them that way, but new people must. Simultaneously, NM said all of the disciples are monkeys. Monkeys are not Vishnupada messiahs, am I right or wrong? Why can't you answer the simple question that any 7 year old child knows, monkeys are not messiahs and equals to Jesus. Any 7 year old knows that, apparently none of the NM folks do? thanks pd
"Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated in his determination." this means we may not criticise him, why? because if he is engaged he is properly situated, his intention is proper in due course he will be okay. These are The Lords instructions and its better to follow them and develop love for God. Apart from that SNM has never even performed anything abominable, he is 100% saintly
Yes, Narayana Mj endorsed abominable people as messiahs. Now both your camps say so what, messiahs are sometimes abominable? Srila Prabhupada says anyone who thinks acharyas are fallen and abominable is: a rascal. By the way, when Satsvarupa was hanging with NM, this is what he was saying all the time, our gurus might act abominable, so you have the abominable guru program and we have the pure guru program. Krishna says the guru is a pure as Me, you say that means abominable, what! thanks pd
here he is again the old word twister, I am saying that Krishnas instructions are to be followed and that Narayana Maharaja has NEVER even done anything abominable. I simply quoted from the Gita, stating that SNM has never done anything abominable and if even a someone who has performed horrible acts should be seen as Krishna orders, then SNM is certainly 100% okay according to The Lords teachings. You dont follow Krishnas teachings at all, you simply overlook this sloka
Narayana Maharaja has done nothing abominable, except he left his teen age bride just after she had his baby. Then he says our feeding the poor widows and children is a bogus ritvik program, so he wants us to abandon the widows and children, and then, he criticizes the ritviks who are feeding the widows and children? He supported the bogus gurus while they were banning, beating, molesting and assassinating people, he is not the Mafia, he is just the Pope of the Mafia? This is great? ys pd
Lord Chaitanya also left His young wife, so what? Ritvik is totally 100% non sastric everyone scholarly devotee knows that and maybe he calls ur programs bogus, because behind the scenes your full of offensive persons spearheaded & badly manipulated by you, as shown in your last post again. You are regularly distorting the truth about SNM who never did anything like it and you know it, and if you don't then you must be a very sick individual to even dare being that offensive.
actually not spear headed by you, because lots of ritviks dont even like you and reject you, for them your a bad apple in the box. You know what I think? I think Srila Prabhupada would be ashamed of you and kick you out the temple because you are so offensive to His old Friend Srila Narayana Maharaja whom as He himself put it, loved as much as He loved His own spiritual master Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja.
Srila Prabhupada would applaud anyone who says that child molesters are not his Vishnupada successors, and he would reject anyone who has defended that bogus process, period. Srila Saraswati Bhaktisiddhanta uses the title of Vishnupada, and as soon as I said this title should not be used by homosexuals, Sridhara and SNM defended Tamal's homosexual Vishnupada program. I do not care who agrees with me or not, molesters, monkeys, deviants, they are not Vishnupada successors to God. Period! ys pd
No, according to Vedas you cannot leave the NEW BABY, SNM left the NEW BABY. Even in the ordinary world if you leave the NEW BABY you are a CRIMINAL. Criminal negligence. Lord Chaitanya did not leave the NEW BABY. You are saying Lord Chaitanya wants us to leave the NEW BABY! This is wrong! It is criminal to leave the new baby. And while SNMs gurus were driving Cadillacs, the children were being STARVED, and SNM said I was bogus protestor, he was defending the child abusers AS GURUS. thanks pd
How many of the original 12 GBC are still in position of Guru ?
Why are you still following rules made by fallen Guru's ?
Shastra says real Guru can never fall down, then why has so many GBC Guru's fallen ?
Can you please explain this to me & the rest of the world.
Y.S Madhukantha das.
mickjapa108 1 month ago
Beware the blue -eyed devils wherever you find them, and in whatever disguise they wear. dont eat the drugged food they will give you. Dont chant the mind-control CIA MKUltra chants. Dont be fooled by fear and guilt-based manipulation. The brand of pagan/satanism practiced by the elite since ancient times of vikings, goths, romans, etc includes 'sacrifices'. The blood form this they drink, and are addicted to it. Sacrifices include both animals and humans. they control the world bank and govs.
jainbuddha 8 months ago
How are Vampire Blood Sacrificing Brahmin Untouchable European Invaders spiritually advanced? Just ridiculous. Save your illuminati mind control chants for the CULT, dear programmee. These are not good people. They are deceivers, thugs, greedy, mad, mind-controlled servants of the elite. They belong in Europe, perhaps, but instead are around the world causing mischief and bringing violence and oppression wherever they go. Freemasons, Illuminati, Jesuits, Krishnas. Jain Dharma=the real India! :-)
jainbuddha 8 months ago
hinduism is the aryan invaders' /mutants' (who practiced blood sacrifice & vampirism) adulteration of ANCIENT indian/african enlightened spiritual culture, which is best represented today by jainism and some forms of buddhism. nonviolence toward all life forms (ahimsa), meditation, equinimity, intelligence. organized religions are ALL run by illuminati cells (s mostly blue eyed/ nordic elite bloodlines and their servants. people argue because they dont really know WHAT IS going on, i believe.
jainbuddha 9 months ago
Narayan Maharaj=blue eyed illuminati devil. disciples distributing drugged food to the unweary hippies they attack for the CULT. all the bickering is pointless. obvioulsy it is the blind led by the blind. all seem unenlightened. where words, bickering, and mind end, and silence, meditation, and equanimity manifest is where enlightenment begins, i would say :-)
jainbuddha 9 months ago
@jainbuddha Well you could practise it yourself first before you preach. Enmity towards a greater personality spiritualy then you are is a way of saying I suffer from a superiority complex and think i am very elevated to make judgements on someone else because i think I am Jainbuddha. Grow up!
sadhubeast 8 months ago
just hearing your voice is terrible u r such a snake
devarsi 1 year ago
@devarsi Narayana Maharajas acharyas are, according to Jayadvaita swami, engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, you are correct, even snakes are not as degraded as your messiahs. Snakes do not engage in these deviations. First of all, find some acharyas who are more advanced than animals, then preach to us about what is what. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
this is soooooo stupid, I mean the video
devarsi 1 year ago
You sound as if your 13 years old. Please refrain from such blaspheme or else like Sisupala you may commit the 100th offense and have your head taken off like others in the past that have taken Vaisnava Aparadha lightly. PLease do not respond.
servantofvaisnavas 1 year ago
@servantofvaisnavas OK, but Sisupala was not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children like NM's messiahs? Why are you insulting Sisupla? Sispuala was actually very gentlemanly, he was not a child molester and drug addict like NM's messiahs. Nor does the average 13 year old think that the messiahs are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children either? 13 year old children know that messiahs are not deviants, but you folks have no idea? Told ya! ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
Thank you for such an intelligent reply. Send my regards to Satan.
servantofvaisnavas 1 year ago
You are a fool. Shut your mouth and save yourself from your own stupidity. You obviously have never been in ISKCON or you would have remembered reciting the 10 offenses to chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord which includes blaspheming the pure devotees who have given their lives in the service of the Lord. Just hearing the tone of your voice you can immediately understand you are going to be negative and criticize. Enjoy burning in hell with Satan.
servantofvaisnavas 1 year ago
@servantofvaisnavas OK, one of the ten offenses is to say that the guru is an ordinary man. Narayana Maharaja's gurus are not even as qualified as an ordinary man. NM's gurus are monkeys. That means Narayana Maahraja's gurus are not even advanced to human plane, NM has animals for gurus. Of course, Narayana Maharaja is not advanced enough to worship and actual monkey, since his gurus have illicit sex even with children, his gurus are worse than monkeys. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
You are a fool. Shut your mouth and save yourself from your own stupidity. You obviously have never been in ISKCON or you would have remembered reciting the 10 offenses to chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord which includes blaspheming the pure devotees who have given their lives in the service of the Lord. Just hearing the tone of your voice you can immediately understand you are going to be negative and criticize. Enjoy burning in hell with Satan
servantofvaisnavas 1 year ago
You are a fool. Shut your mouth and save yourself from your own stupidity. You obviously have never been in ISKCON or you would have remembered reciting the 10 offenses to chanting of the Holy Name of the Lord which includes blaspheming the pure devotees who have given their lives in the service of the Lord. Just hearing the tone of your voice you can immediately understand you are going to be negative and criticize. Enjoy burning in hell with Satan.
servantofvaisnavas 1 year ago
@servantofvaisnavas Even the worshippers of Satan do not have illicit sex with men, women and children. You folks are not advanced enought to worship Satan. Do not insult Satan by saying his followers are as degarded as NM's messiahs. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008 I do not claim to be advanced, but if you are lucky you will have the same fate as Jagai and Madhai. However, just remember what happened to Kamsa. Just imagine for a moment that you are wrong and Srila Narayana Maharaja were a pure devotee, you would certainly go to hell. Would Our Srila Prabhupada or Krishna be pleased with you?
nandanugent 1 year ago
@nandanugent OK, except neither Jagai and Madai and even Kamsa worship illicit sex with men, women and children like Narayana Maharaja gurus are doing? Why are you insulting Kamsa? Kamsa does not worship illicit sex with men, women and children, why are you making any comment about Kamsa? Kamsa is way above Narayana Maharaja's gurus by leaps and bounds, Kamsa would never worship such degraded behaviors ever, he has some dignity at least. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008 Actually it is said that Jagai and Madhai had performed every sinful activity-so perhaps they did have illicit sex etc. You should know that our Srila Prabhupada was merciful to conditioned souls who later became sex abusers inside Isckon, but does that mean he colluded with them-no of course not! The Vaisnavas are very merciful to all, regardless of their past activities.
nandanugent 1 year ago
@pada1008 Actually it is said that Jagai and Madhai had performed every sinful activity-so perhaps they did have illicit sex etc. You should know that our Srila Prabhupada was merciful to conditioned souls who later became sex abusers inside Iskcon, but does that mean he colluded with them-no of course not! The Vaisnavas are very merciful to all, regardless of their past activities.
nandanugent 1 year ago
@nandanugent OK so now you are saying that acharyas are conditioned souls, because the people the GBC makes into acharyas are illicit sex. Where did Lord Chaitanya say that the behavior of Jagai and Madia is the behavior of acharyas? ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
Just for the record; I have a bonafide guru, Srila Narayana Maharaja. It is well known that the actions of pure Vaisnavas are often beyond the understanding of the conditioned souls; they are very merciful. What is he actually doing when he embraces these people? Whatever it is, he is certainly beyond contamination. You are walking on very dangerous ground; please stop all this.
sarojinius 1 year ago
@sarojinius Narayana Maharaja supported the worship of the illicit sex with men, women and children guru program. No previous acharyas has ever supported this program. In fact, even hogs and dogs do not worship illicit sex with men, women and children? You have not yet come past the animal platform. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
...and then you get the discrimination to tell who is worthy of respect and who not. You need a bonafide guru for this to happen. These are the facts. Don't blaspheme a Vaisnava .
sarojinius 1 year ago
I have not seen your video, nor do I care to, since Vaisnava aparadha is a serious offence. You do not have to take siksa from a Vaisnava if you do not feel a heart connection, simply stay away. I have never read that it is permissable to criticise others. Practise "Trnad api sunicena..." (I do not pretend that I myself am following perfectly but I am trying) and from saddhana done under the guidance of a bonafide guru one gradually comes to the stage of kanistha then madhyam,
sarojinius 1 year ago
I left my page open; I did not write any of the comments below.
sarojinius 1 year ago
Hare Krsna Radhe Radhe! All glories to the devotees of Krsna. I want to state here that i regrett very much what happened to the Gaidiya Math before Srila Prabhupada s Death til now. I light a lamp for the murdered Devotees. I hope that the different schools just can accept each other of this Bramha Sampradaya, rather than spitting poison. And please dont talk harshly about devotees just because you dont see the reason for pada`s Video. There is and the reason is; Krsna s revenge is at hand =}
anantashesha 1 year ago
Hey yourself, Narayana Maharaja invited me to his ashram "to talk," he then cancelled our 8 am meeting, then cancelled our 11 am meeting, then cancelled our 2 pm meeting, then cancelled our 5 pm meeting, I sat there for 10 hours, and then he sneaked off the property without seeing me at all. He obviously could not answer one question from us fleas from the flea bag department, he was defeated because Vedic debate rules says when a person cannot even answer one question, he is defeated. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008 He knew you were a snake so he avoided you!
sarojinius 1 year ago
@sarojinius But even snakes do not worship illicit sex with men, women and children? Even snakes are more advanced than your folks, agreed. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada10 Even though you seem to be making offences to SNM, I don't think it is good to refer to yourself as "fleas from a fleabag" It is likely that you have some interest in finding out the truth before you can reconcile your experiences. I expect you did a lot of sincere service within Iskcon in the past and then got blown out by the scandals there. Sastra states that we have to approach the pure devotee with humility-what was your approach-angry? I hope and pray you can come to a resolution.
nandanugent 1 year ago
@nandanugent Well its simple, Sridhara Maharaja in 1936 supported a deviant as a guru, which resulted in people being killed and bad media scandals all over India. After 1977 he supported people engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children as his idea of gurus, and there was murders, and mass molesting. So even a flea in a flea bag does not worship illicit sex with men, women and children, so even a flea has a better grip on guru tattva that Sridhara Maharaja. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008 By the same reasoning some would say the same about Srila Prabhupada, that some were placed in positions of power within Iskcon and then went on to do all kinds of abominable activities with children etc. Of course our Srila Prabhupada would never have supported these types of deviants but theoretically they were his disciples. Perhaps this is what is hard to reconcile, how these kind of things take place-suffering and abuse when the Acharya is present. Maybe it is a question of faith
nandanugent 1 year ago
@nandanugent OK now you are mixing things up. As soon as we said that the GBC are only administrative / GBC/ ritviks, NM said that is bogus, they are gurus because "there is no such thing as ritviks." So Narayana Maharaja thinks that a person equal to Jesus is having illicit sex, he does not understand that the priests (ritviks) are having illicit sex. The disciples or priests may deviate, but Narayana Maharaja has made it appear that the gurus is deviating. Hence: monkey messiahs.
pada1008 1 year ago
Dear Prabhu, this type of thing also happened in Iskcon, but no faithful person would claim that our Srila Prabhupada supported the deviants that were responsible for the abuse that took place there. The Acharya gives instructions- a chance to everyone- to advance, but if one does not follow it is not the fault of the guru. Actually Akhanda Guru Tattva states that siksa and diksa guru are one, a manifestation of Nityananda prabhu.
nandanugent 1 year ago
@nandanugent What happened in ISKCON is that in Janurary of 1977 Srila Prabhupada said his followers are not fit for sanyasa, and one year later, January of 1978, Sridhara and Narayana said that the people unfit for sannyasa are fit to be acharyas. So you are avoiding the point, Sridhara and Narayana said that the persons who are not fit for sannyasa are gurus and acharyas, and then these people started molester cults, and NM said we were offenders for opposing, so he helped the molester cult.
pada1008 1 year ago
@nandanugent complete diferent subjects prabhu
krsnaprema777 1 year ago
@allembrace i believe him as well as others do
Kesava1975 1 year ago
NM is a bogus guru. So many cheated followers of this cheater
thethikboy 1 year ago
Hey pada1008 : You dont have any other work to do. You are burning with jealousy,ill will for whatever reason . You are sick. Do something good. Liberate yourself from this evil desire to besmircg, to destroy others. You are wasting your precious life, time. Nobody believes you. You are eaten by your desire to misinform,deceive gullible people ,innocent,illiterate,ignorant people,poverty riiden people. you might be getting lot of money from missionaries.
allembrace 1 year ago
@allembrace I am not besmirching anyone, I simply do not worship monkeys as messiahs, thanks but no thanks. ys pd
pada1008 1 year ago
@pada1008 are you from IRM? your opinion is weak, you didnt even bother to ask Narayana Maharaja so he can clariffy and reconcile what he said. This thing youre doing is purely materialistic and self-serving.
where are you from? Srila Prabhupada and Narayana Maharaja are God brothers even maybe before you became a devotee.
ThePinoyPunch 1 year ago
How Unfortunate-- Narayana Mahraj
Tries to make this low class-politics and insults
to Iskcon and Srila Prabhupada under the false
guise of being a so called- close friend of iskcon--a DUPE
Maya has such a strong influence on him. SAD--TRAGIC
God help him-for his offences to Srila Prabhupada ! and Iskcon.
KRSNA will NOT tolerate his two faced--Sahajiya Behaviors
Prabhupads disciples should be OUTRAGED at His Offences !
BEWARE OF MAYA
YS,Jaya Madhava Das (acbsp) 2010 Moscow
jayamadhava 1 year ago
Prabhupada refered to us with affection as his monkey disciples because the sun in India made our faces feet and hands very red and we would always jump and dance for his pleasure. As the presenter of this tapr didn't seem to understand this at the very begining of this video I didn't bother to listen to the rest of it.
jivapav 2 years ago
Narayana Maharaja's messiahs are, according to Jayadvaita swami prone to "illicit sex, with men, women and children," since jivapav does not know that gurus / messiahs / acharyas / God's successors are not engaged like this, he cannot reply. Actually monkeys do not have illicit sex with men, women and children, so Narayana Maharaja's gurus are not even as elevated as monkeys. thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Hare Krishna, a suggestion-try chanting Hare Krishna instead of blasphemy. You cannot understand a pure devotee with a filthy conditioned material mind. Be humble and chant nicely, please give up your false pride, please come up to kanishta level at least. Radhe radhe.
xedvert 2 years ago 5
Moneys are not acharyas? To say that monkeys are acharyas is wrong, why not chant Hare Krishna instead of saying monkeys are acharyas? thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
xedvert, you are simply another dumb sheep! Humble, false pride, and the term kanistha level, are the usual arguments used by dickheads who have no real spiritual in-sight. If you had minute partical of the courage of PADA, then all the whack job molester bogus jesus's you attempt to argue in favour of would have failed.
Give up your bogus guru nonsense and worship the real GURU Srila Prabhupada
jojoruby 2 years ago
Maya creates plenty of engagementfor those who have desires to enjoys this world, I wonder if Srila Prabhupada is pleased with you? Anger, as you probably know, comes from frustrated desire, and leads to to loss of intelligence-then all is lost. I wish you peace and that Guru and Krishna will always bless you with bhakti.
xedvert 2 years ago
Dear jojoruby, you may not realise that others also have faith in this wonderful Acharya.Srila Prabhupada personally requested that Srila Narayana Maharaja carried out his Samadhi when he entered Nitya Lila, which subsequently took place, It would be an offence to Srila Prabhupada to consider he was wrong in having Srila Narayana Maharaja carry out this most intimate service for him. Srila Prabhupada chose him as most qualified on the planet. I hope you progress and become happy!
xedvert 2 years ago
seriously, I had enough of this now for good, you may see yourself as a champion of the people but this short encounter with you was entirely unpleasant, your repetitive bad mouthing of the pure devotee who is here to help the devotees and is doing so all the time, is nothing short of disgusting. Your false interpretations of Him will destroy you in the end, I know that for sure now. You won and I have peace of mind.
devarsi 2 years ago
OK, so your idea is that people who support the illicit sex with men, women and children acharya program are pure devotees, never mind SNM not only supports that program he still hugs its biggest exponents, and he trash talked us all along so that he could squelch our protest of the mistreatment of children, target us for violence, and the result is he got thousands of kids molested, and he is still hugging the molester acharyas like KS. This is all documented, there is nothing false here.
pada1008 2 years ago
and ones the doors r closed you can curse and shout and bang on the door till your fists bleed and you lost your voice, it will never open. Three monkey syndrom.
devarsi 2 years ago
Yes, as soon as I said that child molesters are not gurus SNM said we are bogus, so he painted a bull's eye on our backs because we are the critics of the guru, so he got people killed that way, just as Sridhara got people killed for disagreeing with his messiah Vasudeva. SNM's guru tattva book says there was nothing wrong with the Vasudeva guru program, SNM likes to see us banned, beaten and shot. Sorry, there is plenty wrong with molester messiahs, "nothing wrong" will get us killed. ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
no he said your bogus because ritvik is not mentioned anywhere in SP books as the continuation for the disciplic succession and it isnt, full stop. Like you answered to words which i never said, implying that I have said them, making me look bad, you are also trying to distort SNM character in the same way. SNM never takes sides with molesters or false gurus, to say so is an outright distortion of truth, something you r famous for doing as a job.
devarsi 2 years ago
Managers are not the disciplic succesion, you are misquoting me. I said SNM supported the Tamal / Jayadvaita guru program that engages in illicit sex with men, women and children, and even recently SNM hugs JAS, and he even hugs homosexual pedophiles claiming to be gurus like KS. SNM does not even talk to us, because he is in love and hugs with child molester acharya programs. There are videos of SNM-JAS and photos of SNM hugging KS, and KS is a molester whose program had people murdered.
pada1008 2 years ago
actually i dont totally disagree with everything pada says, i also know false gurus have done many horrible things using their taken powers and a lot of them are gone, others received some pretty bad karma and so on, but I dont like judging the sinner I like to condemn the sin. I think the best way of action is to go into the liquor shop and preach proper siddhanta that is extremely powerful, more then shouting "u disgusting wine drinkers" to which they & their customers close all doors.
devarsi 2 years ago
Acharyas are disgusting wine drinkers who are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children? That means you have zero respect for acharyas. Isopanisad says false gurus are destined for the most obnoxious regions, false gurus have a worse future than ordinary man, and SNMs gurus are not even as advanced as ordinary man, who is not engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. Yes, SNM gave these children bad karma, that means he is creating bad karma. Acharyas and wine drinking?
pada1008 2 years ago
u r a rascal answering to words & meanings which i have never written in the first place, actually its something u r very famous for and I find that extremely dull. If that is really how your mind works, then that's pretty bad.
devarsi 2 years ago
Pada "You can orchestrate us being murdered by saying we are bogus. " You know what? I am trying my best here, but despite all my efforts I simply can not see how what I write to pada, will get them killed?
devarsi 2 years ago
By calling us non-molester worshipers "ritvik deviants," and hugging the molester messiahs, SNM is endorsing the bad guys and condemning us exposers, yes, that is how our friends were assassinated, SNM endorsed the perp sabha and criticized the exposers of the perps, and so the exposers were murdered, just as exposers of Sridhara's 1936 guru were murdered. Yes, endorsing the bad guys and critcizing the exposers gets people killed in post 1936 and 1977. that is correct. Thats what happened. ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Ritvik is definitely not sastric as a replacement for the sampradaya, because a genuine spiritual master does not change anything that has been given by The Lord Himself as a system for continuation. The people who promote ritvik promote a system which can not be seen as a disciplic succession as described and created by The Supreme Lord Himself 1000s of years ago. As It Is, is At It Is. Srila Prabhupada " There is no need for any change" Over and out
devarsi 2 years ago
SNM changed the whole parampara idea, he endorses the molester messiahs and he still hugs the leaders of the molester messiahs program. SNM's molester messiahs project has nothing to do with Krishna? The illicit sex messiah project of SNM is not the parampara AS IT IS, it is a deviation, period. His parampara molested thousands of children, that means he changed the process. No previous acharyas were molesters, nor do they hug fools who promote molester messiahs. thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
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devarsi 2 years ago
BG.4.36 Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge you will be able to cross over the ocean of miseries."
The answer to all problems therefore is pure spiritual knowledge & loving service to Sri Radha and Krishna, this will kill everyone's demonic mentalities & solve everything for everyone. A devotee goes into the liquor shop to give Krishna, He says to the rascals oh you r so wonderful have this book please
devarsi 2 years ago
Right, so when people artificially pose as God's messiahs, they can perform sinful acts because we are supposed to forgive. This is Satvarupa's favorite verse, he often says the ISKCON gurus are to be forgiven and he was SNM's maid servant. Problem is, this verse does not apply to the acharyas, it is fobidden to consider that the acharyas are falling down. As soon as Nita said acharyas can fall, he was kicked out of ISKCON. This verse does not apply to Krishna's successors, they arent fallen.
pada1008 2 years ago
Thanks, you are saying that promoters of illicit sex with men, women and children as Krishna's successor acharyas are situated on the boat of transcendental knowledge. You want to hug them, nevermind their idea molested thousands of children and killed us dissenters. There is no standard for acharya, he may be pure, he may be abominalbe, he may even have sex with children, he may orchestrate murdering us, that is fine with you. You can orchestrate us being murdered by saying we are bogus.
pada1008 2 years ago
naa u dont wanna hug them ! and they really have molested 1000s of children whow! and they really all actively promote strange sex with all genders? and all of them killed dissenters conspire to murder all of you? and 10000s of devotees who have knowledge of proper standards they cant see that? they r all either totally ignorant about it or they are also molesters and killers of all genders, together in a worldwide conspiracy. Amazing
devarsi 2 years ago
Well SNM does, he hugs people who say acharyas are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, and he even hugs homosexual pedophiles who are still using acharya titles. Kirtanananda is the person who got children molested and dissenters beaten and murdered, and SNM hugs that person, but he does not have two seconds to speak to us. He loves the molester - murderers program posing as messiahs. Kirtanananda is part of the conspiracy to molest and murder, he was arrested and put in jail.
pada1008 2 years ago
BG 5.21 "Such a liberated person is not attracted to material sense pleasure but is always in trance, enjoying the pleasure within. In this way the self-realized person enjoys unlimited happiness, for he concentrates on the Supreme." This means His mind and heart are not materially motivated at all, His activities r pure. In kamsas arena however, some my see Him in a negative way by dint of their own faulty vision. In reality the Sp Master is an expansion of the Supersoul & acts accordingly.
devarsi 2 years ago
Right, guru is an expansion of Supersoul. So when SNM's so-called expansions are engaging in illicit sex, he his juxtaposing Krishna's expansions and illicit sex. Thats why SNM left me waiting outside his room for ten hours without saying one word to me, yet he hugs molester messiah project's leaders like Jayadvaita and Kirtanananda, in sum he loves molester messiahs project and its leaders. Neither these fellows has recanted, JAS sticks by his writing and KS is still saying he is guru. pd
pada1008 2 years ago
BG 5.18 The humble sages, by virtue of true knowledge, see with equal vision a learned and gentle bramana, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste]." Pada instead tries to make his readers view everything from the bodily platform, he does not preach, he only accuses. Uttama Adhikaris like SNM do the opposite, they know what's going on and so they try and save everyone from hell by giving only Krishna the most purifying, nothing else.
devarsi 2 years ago
Correct, SNM sees with equal vision: Monkeys; Acharyas; Tamal -- SNM says is Radharani's dear tree as Tamal puts molesters into the guru seat; Jayadvaita's illicit sex posing as Vishnupadas; Kirtanananda's posing as guru even today is to be hugged; And while SNM is hugging the molester messiahs project, he leaves me sitting outside his door for ten hours because as soon as he sees someone who does not promote the worship of molester messiahs, he suddenly loses his equal vision. ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
"if he repents, otherwise not" is a clear statement, it does not mean they repented. An acaryas only mission is to help the fallen souls go back to Krishna no matter who they are. He does not get involved with anything else, this is also Krishnas opinion BG 9.30 /31 Pada seems to think that an acarya has to be political or take sides no! Ultimately he sees everyone as servants of Krishna & He tries to give them what they are missing like the devotee who sells a BG in a liquor shop.
devarsi 2 years ago
Jayadvaita writes that gurus are having illicit sex with men, women and children, SNM is embracing this man even now, but SNM leaves me sitting outside his door for ten hours, because SNM embraces molester messiahs project and not those who fail to promote worship of molesters. SNM has taken sides, he hugs the molester messiahs and anyone who does not promote his molester messiahs is a bogus, poison ritvik. He has taken the side of the molester messiahs and he says we critics are all bogus.
pada1008 2 years ago
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devarsi 2 years ago
SNM has been seen hugged by Jayadvaita and Kirtanananda, later one of SP disciples ask Him about it.The question was "how can one forgive the unforgivable" SNM answer was simple "if he repents, otherwise not" I think this should be seen in the light of BG 9.30 Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated in his determination.
devarsi 2 years ago
Jayadvaita mj has not repented? He wrote that ISKCON's gurus are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children. I asked him about that last year at Rathayatra, he is sticking with that. So if you say that Krishna's successors are sex fiends, SNM will hug you, you are correct. Kirtanananda is still saying he is the guru Bhaktipada and he is taking disicples, he has not changed anthing? So if you say you are God's messiah guru, and then molest small children, SNM hugs you, you are correct.
pada1008 2 years ago
I will not reply to pada any more but may be simply occasionally post something of benefit. The veda base mentiones the word Rasika 173 times, it means "rasika —those who are full in the knowledge of mellows"
devarsi 2 years ago
No one replaced the disciplic succession with monkeys, they put them selves falsely into it and they are only in your head messiahs. I can see now that this conversation has to be over because as a result of feeding you my replies you are becoming more & more poisonous and offensive in yours. So Its now impossible for me to stay here, because I doubt this will get better, only worse
devarsi 2 years ago
SNM said they are (a) monkeys (b) seen as gurus. SNM told Jayadvaita the eleven have to be seen as gurus. SNM was supporting Tamal all the time. SNM had a rasika club out of many of these gurus. SNM spoke at their festivals. SNM was their "rasika shiksha guru advisor." SNM helped SDG write bogus guru papers, and so on and so forth. There is a recent video of SNM hugging Jayadvaita, the guy who says gurus engage in illicit sex, and SNM was hugging Kirtanananda, etc. He supported and still does.
pada1008 2 years ago
u r quiet good at twisting what I have said. Managing ritvik priests replacing the genuine disciplic succession r not found in sastra & not found in SP books, which are the spiritual law books for the next 10000 years. According to SP books, from a low position to kanista adhikaries "monkeys" r 2 b elevated 2 bcome madhyam then uttama via sadhu sanga, the association of pure devotees, that is what our philosophy is all about. U reject these conclusions SP instructions.
devarsi 2 years ago
You folks have replaced the entire disciplic succession with monkeys? Of course as I have pointed out, SNM's messiahs are "engaged in illict sex with men, women and children," so his messiahs are not even as advanced as monkeys. So SNM wanted the children of ISKCON to worship monkeys as messiahs, and the result was there was no managing, there was mass abuse. SNM cut off the managing and made whacky messiahs, and the children were abused on a mass scale. And he is proud of that. ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
yes it is totally true, ritvik as a bonafied system for the continuation of the disciplic succession is not right. Why? because Krishna Himself established the "disciplic succession", it never changes. With ritvik there can not be a disciplic succession. The system "as it is" is perfect, there is no need for any change SP said that. He meant the system which The Lord Himself had established and which is timeless.
devarsi 2 years ago
System is: one needs to worship a pure devotee and not molesters. When Sridhara and SNM say they do not want any manager priests (ritviks), the result is no managing or at best mis-managing, and that opnes the door for their homosexual messiahs project as the did in 1936Normal anarchists rob the bank, these anarchists want to destroy the managing so they can make their homosexual and criminal guru sytem. Ritvik system means managing, they do not want that, they create criminals as gurus.
pd
pada1008 2 years ago
yes ritvik is not in sastra or SP books and apart from that a persons criminal tendency is not changed by becoming a ritvik rep. Thats a fact. We dont know whats going on in the ritvik camp because no one investigates, its the kettle calling the pot if you ask me. We are given the opp to become pure dev by associating with pure devotees, its called sadhu sanga. Ritvik & Iskcon alike denies this to their followers. The only pure devotee for another 10000 years is SP? the philosophy does not work?
devarsi 2 years ago
We can worship monkeys as messiahs, that is found in shastra? And now you are saying that managing priests are not found in shastra? So we disband the managing, and the result is we starve, beat and molest the children, because there is no managing in shastra? There is no such thing as managing priests, so let the children get molested and die, do not manage them? So SNM says there is no managing i.e. ritviks found in shastra, so he wants banning, beating, molesting and no check and balance.
pada1008 2 years ago
Again what is your answer. SP did not do anything and kept quiet about the gurukula abuse, but He was all knowing was He not? I think He was and He still installed people with bad habits like bhavananda into trustworthy positions, so what where His priorities and why did he not install nicer devotees which where available? every dev who understands Guru Tattva properly can confirm ritvik as parampara replacement is not in sastra, so they all want abuse instead? You clearly lost it
devarsi 2 years ago
Srila Prabhupada didnt keep quiet, he said when there are crimes in ISKCON, call the police. He said extra care is needed so MANAGE children nicely. SNM then says, there is no such thing as managing priest found in shastra, toss out the managing, and worse, he said those of us defending the children are bogus ritviks, so he insured the molesting went on by silencing us critiics. SNM supported Tamal's Bhavananda VISHNUPADA program! In fact SNM helped get critics killed by saying we are bogus. pd
pada1008 2 years ago
thats right I toyally agree, there is no such thing as ritvik priests continuing the disciplic succession in any sastra, if there is, show the world, here is your chance.
devarsi 2 years ago
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devarsi 2 years ago
plenty of recordings but non where he says this. He tried to help them to come up to standard, not agreeing with any molester program, that is totally absurd. The situation was not suited to outright reject them openly, which would have resulted in their "disciples" rejecting Him to... The only way was trying to elevated them to become proper gurus. This means He did not supported them in your terms, but supported the plight of their disciples trying to make sure they get thought properly
devarsi 2 years ago
Today we can see the result of rejecting SNM, so many gurus have fallen down and have shown that their training was indeed not complete like SP said, their disciples are in trouble, the old story. They chose false guru ship over the austerity of a few years with SNM to advance properly. The GBC was pulling on one end telling them to leave Him, threatening to end their careers and He was pulling on the other to make them austere and proper. They got carried away, that was not His fault.
devarsi 2 years ago
This is the real story, an Uttama adhikari like SNM does not get cosy with kanistha adhikaries like you like to portray. He teaches them. You see the devotee getting into a liquor shop thinking he is a drunk and i see the devotee going there to help the shop assistants. Again why do you think SP overlooked their bad qualities giving them high positions of trust which He "who was all knowing" knew they would / could abuse? He did not say anything about the guru kula abuses either?
devarsi 2 years ago
SMN taught them that they are not administrators (ritviks), they are gurus, with disciples, and they are fit for rasika and so on. SMN thinks the church clerical assistant needs to be worshiped equal to Jesus, he has no discrimination. The administrator is not the messiah. SNM says we need no (ritvik) administration process, let the criminals take over and ban, beat and kill people, no administrative check and balances. And now he is proud of the results! He created mayhem and he is proud? pd
pada1008 2 years ago
These GBC were falling down all along in the 1970s, so Srila Prabhupada said they all need to get married. These gurus were falling down in 1979 before SNM was their big rasika leader. They were falling down singe 1965, and they still are, because they are not gurus! Gurus do not fall donw, they were only appointed as administrators (ritviks). SNM thinks they could not have been appointed as ritviks because he thinks monkeys are messiahs! No, they were only appoitned as GBC, not as acharyas.
pada1008 2 years ago
You cannot make monkeys come to the standard or Radha's servants? Totally absud. First the monkey need years of training, maybe lifetimes of training. Sridhara's idea, you monkeys just put on the achayra uniform and you are acharyas, wear the uniform. Monkeys who dress like acharya, are then acharyas? Monkeys also have no disciples, monkeys are acharyas who have disciples? You are getting more absurd yourself. Monkeys cannot be elevated to proper gurus, they are not gurus in the first place.
pada1008 2 years ago
that is why Srila Prabhupada said "The training is not complete" so who was supposed to complete the training? Srila Narayana Maharaja was and He tried and yes you can make kanistha adhikaris come to the standard of Srimati Radhikas servants, that is the whole purporse of our philosophy and training in case you have forgotten.
devarsi 2 years ago
Pada "at the same time saying molester messiahs are fit for Hari katha" Come on Pada now provide proof for this as well. A recording of SNM saying this. You can say anything and you do, it does not matter any more to you what you say as long as it discredits SNM and all others who don't believe in ritvik, is that not the real truth of your campaign? Like "barking dog" on You Tube who edited & falsified a video of SNM to make him look bad.
devarsi 2 years ago
Ample proof, Tamal, Sivrama, SDG, Giriraja, all leaders of the molester messiahs program were sitting around getting Hari Katha from SNM for years, there are so many documents and letters that the GBC was saying about this, there are recordings of Tamal with SNM, SNM was sitting in Dallas with Tamal, Tamal was sitting with him, where have you been? This is all well known, as is SNM criticing us non-molester pooja-ites. SNM was cited in the 1990 IJ, supporting the molester messiah project pd.
pada1008 2 years ago
There are plenty of recordings of SNM giving Hari Katha to the leaders of the molester messiah program. SDG for example is writing that Kirtanananda is like Jesus, and SNM is glorifying SDG, so when molesters are being compared to Jesus, and we are protesting, SNM is glorifying the critics of Jesus and he is saying we are bogus for defending. And SNM says the worship of departed guru like Jesus is bogus, so better to worship molesters than Jesus? SNM is insulting Jesus too. thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
excuse me, but i was asking you why Srila Prabhupada installed bad people as GBCs knowing that these are positions of trust and which can be exploited? Stop babbling on nonsense about SNM and answer me this question. SP made homosexuals and child abusers GBCs & by doing so putting them in positions of great power, despite knowing what they where capable of. Are you saying SP did not know? & still no documentation proof from you.
devarsi 2 years ago
Pada.."he says anyone who criticizes the violence against vaishnavas project is "a bogus ritvik," .........Again Pada, lots of nonsense coming from you. let me hear these words myself and provide proof from a recording of Him saying this. Everyone can make Propaganda.
devarsi 2 years ago
Proof is: all of the leaders of the molester messiahs project were sitting as SNM's feet for 15 years, he propped them up as his favorite people, meanwhile he was saying the critics of his molester messiah program are bogus. I have his Guru Tattva booklet which cites there was nothing wrong with Ananta Vasudeva, so there is nothing wrong with homosexual messiahs who ban, beat and assassinate the vaishnavas. This is a printed document. SNM was always been the pal of Tamal and critic of us. pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Well yes, he made defective people as GBC, so did Srila Saraswati Thakura in 1936. Ananta Vasudeva was a homosexual and a big devotee in their mission. So? As soon as Lord Chaitanya departed many sahajiya cult developed from some of His so-called followers. So yes, the followers might be defective, Jesus also had defective followers. My point: no acharya has ever endorsed a homosexual and child molester guru empire as SNM and Sridhara do. Ananta Vasudeva was made the acharya, thats deviation.
pada1008 2 years ago
There is not one recorded letter lecture conversation anything where He says "I endorse them" If He did & was as corrupt the picture you paint of Him, He would have got as many students & Prabhupada siksa disciples as He does. We all reject unfit persons as Acaryas & we r not so stupid as to take on anyone to give us siksa.
devarsi 2 years ago
SMN said they are living gurus, he said Tamal is the dear tree of Radha, and so much other things, he was their biggest advocate and cheer leader, and he was helping Satsvarupa write whack job documents. Even BV Puri said that SDG writing about his enenas and the gopis is the result of SNM polluting the GBC. Even BV Puri said, this SNM is teaching worse than the sahajiyas, SNM was their advocate and even BV Puri knew that. And SDG even recently wrote about his enemas, hah hah, what a guru. pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Incidentally, SNM told some of the ISKCON gurus, and Rupa vilas told me also, that in 1978 SNM said his guru had ordered him not to initiate anyone because he was not qualified, and Vamana had been appointed to initiate. BV Puri confirmed this and said SNM was not authorized to initiate and had been told not to. And now we know why his guru said he is unqualified, he supports monkeys as gurus and defends them to "keep the faith of the disciples" in monkey pooja. I have no faith in monkey pooja.
pada1008 2 years ago
defective people are one thing, but they where more then just defective considering what happened during Prabhupadas presence and after. Still Prabhupada let the gurukula abuse happen he did not say anything and later he made them GBCs. Giving them trust worthy positions, the highest in Iskcon. People like this should not even have trustworthy positions by which they can exploit others, you dont agree?
devarsi 2 years ago
SNM spoke Hari Katha to them for that reason only, did not SP himself write and say that by hearing and reading about the rasa dance with the proper understanding, the disease of lust in the heart is completely eliminated? and is it not true that when lust is gone, that so many other bad things r also gone and a devotee becomes a proper candidate for being a genuine guru? SNM is well qualified to make them into genuine gurus and to "complete the training" this is what SP wanted
devarsi 2 years ago
Yes, the GBC are banning, beatin, molesting and assassinating the vaishnavas, and SNM is telling them there is nothing wrong with the 1936 homosexual guru, there is nothing wrong with their program, in fact he defends Tamal at every step, and worse, he says anyone who criticizes the violence against vaishnavas project is "a bogus ritvik," so he is discrediting anyone who objects to the molester messiahs, at the same time saying molester messiahs are fit for Hari katha. Yes, that is right. pd
pada1008 2 years ago
so why not try that for a change because all one ever hears from you is "he did this and he did that"
and its very strange how you r so absorbed into it?
SP did not get absorbed in it or stopped it and neither did any other acaryas despite these things being present? because they all know that getting involved is taking attention and focus away from KC & preaching, which is the only cure for all these things. It stands above all other concerns, this is a fact.
devarsi 2 years ago
Srila Prabhupada wrote to SNM saying that the Gaudiya Matha appointed guru process is bogus, he told SNM not to endorse bogus gurus, but SNM never listened. Prabhupada told us that Sridhara's guru had people beate, skulls cracked with bricks, and some were killed, and this was in the media of India an ruined the name of the mission. So SNM supported another program that beat and assasinated devotees, and ruined the name of the mission, he did what the 1936 deviants did, but for ISKCON. pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Krishna Katha ,bhakti is the only medicine for all misgivings of the heart, nothing evil can remain in its presence. This is why we try to become Krishna Conscious no? The answer is not protesting and blaming and finger pointing, the answer is to become Krishna conscious by becoming absorbed in Hari Katah, that is the route given by all the acaryas in our line. Pure Hari katah is the answer, because evil can not prevail in its presence.
devarsi 2 years ago
we can not say that because the previous acaryas never protested against these things that they did not exist, but for the sake of delivering the fallen souls they choose to preach and speak Hari Katha, they never get involved in personal issues of others like mundane gurus do. They know that only Hari Katha is the mediciene, nothing else. That is the real cleansing of unwanted elements and dirty minds. Speaking Hari Katha is the only remedy for everyone....
devarsi 2 years ago
Srila Prabhupada did protest the Gaudiya Matha, the sahajiyas, the babajis, the smartas, and so did Srila Saraswati thakura. SNM did not speak Hari Katha, he said that the molester Vishnupada program and its cheifs like Tamal, SDG, Sivarama etc are all bona fide, and anyone who criticizes the molester messiahs is a bogus ritvik, that means, he is supporting molester messiahs, this is not Hari Katha? Hari does not pal around with molester messiah projects? Hari supports us, the critics of same.
pada1008 2 years ago
SNM was saying that these molester messiahs are bona fide, he was Tamal's best pal for years. While all the the devotees are being banned, beat, molested and killed, SNM is treating the leaders of the perps as advanced Hari katha devotees. This is like the priests who are knowingly offering blessings to the mafia, that means those priests are implicated in the crimes of the mafia. SNM is always blessing the GBC and Sridhara's homosexual guru program, nothing wrong he says, oh really? ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
now by pressing the tear drops and being very moral you r really sidestepping these truths in order to push on ritvik, but u & iskcon both got the wrong end of the stick. Guru is self illuminated & upon finding such a person one should surrender humbly, ask questions and so on. The proper practice of bhakti actually produces such personalities & they do exist right now on this planet, such persons are never interested to take SP position or replace Him.
devarsi 2 years ago
I am not side stepping any issue. While the children were getting molested and devotees were being banned, beat and assassinated, Narayana Maharaja was giving rasika classes to the leaders of these perps. I was protesting and SNM said we're bogus ritviks, he thought he could side step the mistreatment issue by making a show of the ritvik issue, so he diverted the criminal mistreatment issue into the ritvik issue and he also said we were wrong to protest. So he helped the molester messiahs, pd
pada1008 2 years ago
There where just very few not the whole GBC. The fact is that if He would have gone against the rest of the GBC it would have done nothing at all, they where all set on course, in fact things would have become worse, instead He was able to try & teach some of them, which btw are not child molesters, something of value (Krishna consciousness) which otherwise would not have been possible. The criminal mistreatment issue can be solved by becoming Krishna conscious.
devarsi 2 years ago
Sridhara Mj said there is no such thing as GBC in the vaishava dictionary, and SNM said there is no such thing as ritviks (GBC). They did not want managers, because when there is no managers, there will be rampant banning, beating, molesting, and assassinating, and no program to check that. They did the same thing in the Gaudiya Matha, no managing, make absolute tyrants, and then vaishnavas will be beaten and killed because of no managing process. Under SNM, the number of molesters increased.
pada1008 2 years ago
Srila Prabhupada knew they would push on the movement and so He used them to do so. If bad things happened to devotees, they would have happened in a worse ways anyway in those devotees karmi lifes. Srila Prabhupada can see the past and the future, so better experience a reduced bit of karma in the temple atmosphere rather then as a karmi getting the full wag. That is why SP let it happen. he knew they would do wrong but the movement had to be pushed on.
devarsi 2 years ago
Yes, the leaders were doing bad things and SNM was saying the bad leaders are living messiah gurus, so he made the victimization ten million times worse, he said the leaders of the molester messiahs are gurus, making it almost impossible for us to protest, and thus we got banned, beat and shot because SNM empowered the perps as messiahs. He empowered the criminals, if you say a bunch of criminals are as pure as Jesus, then you make it dangerous to protest, so he wanted to defend them, pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Srila Prabhupada gave them very high positions, not guru positions of course, but they where positions which where used to ruin some devotees life's, so are you not going to blame Srila Prabhupada to? I would suggest that the reasons for SP giving them such positions & the reasons for SNM trying to help them advance are both innocent and justifiable and can be seen in the right light.
devarsi 2 years ago
Srila Prabhupada said they are not even fit for sannyasa, SNM empowered them as acharyas, so yes, SNM is responsible for empowering them as acharyas, because Srila Prabhupada said all the time they are not fit for acharyas. So if you call a deviant a guru, that empowers him to ban, beat, molested and kill the vaishnavas. Apart from that SNM wrote a booklet and in the book it cites "there was nothing wrong" with the 1936 acharya, so he endorses banning, beating, assassinating, its not wrong! pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Srila Prabhupada gave them sannyasa and they empowered themselves as acaryas. Still you r again sidestepping why Srila Prabhupada put them into high GBC positions from where some where able to exploit the devotees. Even so Srila Prabhupada knew what kind of persons they where He also saw nothing wrong with putting them into such positions? What kind of higher perspective did SP have when He did so? The 1936 "acarya" was not even a paedophile
devarsi 2 years ago
No, SNM empowered them as acharyas, he supported their acharya claim as did Sridhara. He said those who protest their false claims are bogus, so he supported them and chopped the legs off the protestors, so he empowered the molester messiah's program. And he still does, he still says we were bogus ritviks who should not have protested his molester messiah program. He is proud that so many children were victimized under his policy and program. SNM was the mastermind of keeping them in power. ps
pada1008 2 years ago
no one supports an acharya system that engages in these things and neither is ritvik supported in the sastras as a bonafied system for the parampara. Why Krishna? because not a blade of grass moves without His permission. He is situated within everyone hearts and guides everyone's movements.
devarsi 2 years ago
SNM not only supported the bogus GBC gurus, his guru tattva booklet says "there was nothing wrong" when Sridhara made the 1936 homosexual acharya, where people were banned, beat, assassinated, had their faces pushed into dog stools, and SNM books say there is nothing wrong with treating the vaishavas like this. I disagree, I do not like to ban, beat, assassinate and push the devotees faces into dogs stools, nor do I say there is nothing wrong by doing that. I say, this is wrong. thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Krishna is in everyone's heart. So when His children are being tortured by a bogus guru program, it is our duty to act as Krishna's agents and protest. But Sridhara Maharaja said I was wrong to protest, later SNM said we were bogus ritviks, so SNM diverted the issue from the molesting, so they protected child abuse and claimed they had the authority to do that to stop "the rtiviks." Krishna cares about children, he does not care one fig for arguing over titles. I am not priest / ritvik?
pada1008 2 years ago
Srila Prabhupada was all knowing, He knew what was going on in the gurukulas and that was long before SNM, yet SP did not say anything. later He made those people into iskcon main managers, you explain to me why? You go on about SNM, but tell me why did SP gave them these positions? It shows trust /faith in them does it not? and yes ritvik is not in sastra where it should be, if it was a genuine system for the disciplic succession, but it isn't. Living guru is!
devarsi 2 years ago
sometimes we may see a devotee entering a liquor or butchers shop and conclude that he is breaking the principles, but does he? should he be condemned as being one of them? Have we seen him drinking wine and eating meat telling them its good they do it? Actually the truth is, that he went there to give them his mercy, so should we not glorify his bhakti to help the fallen souls in the shops to get out of their mess? In SNM case the shop assistance approached Him.
devarsi 2 years ago
Pada your view point of SNM is similar to that of the rascals who saw Krishna as a rascal in Kamsa arena. Like always you twist and distort as it suits you, to further your bogus ritvik parampara idea which Srila Prabhupada never even mentioned just once in His books as the future sampradaya system? remember..."everything is in my books?" "My books are the spiritual law books for the next 10000 years" So where is ritvik explained in the books, as the future system of the disciplic succession?
devarsi 2 years ago
Krishna never supported an acharya system that engages in illicit sex with men, women and children? Why are you dragging Krishna into this affair? ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
SNM's messiahs are going into the buthcer shop, they are drinking liquor, they are engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children, they are having devotees baned, beaten, molested and assassinated, they are being arrested and put into jail, they are shooting guns at occupied buildings etc. yes, his messiahs are doing all of the above. And as soon as I said that these gurus were bad, SNM defended keeping Tamal and the above guru empire going, and SNM criticized us, and defended them. ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
1st of all they r not and never have been SNM messiahs. That is stupid talk. They have always acted independent against His advice and guidance. SNM has tried to help them getting out of the mess they where digging themselves into. He did this, in order to serve Srila Prabhupada, who incidentally "supported" them by giving them managerial positions. Being all knowing, He knew what they where like and still He did so. He asked SNM to help them because in His words "the training is not complete"
devarsi 2 years ago
SNM supported them as gurus, not managers, and SNM contantly associated with Tamal, Sivarama, Giriraja, Satsvarupa and the whole clan. He defended and supported them over and over and over. He was giving them advice that their living guru program is bona fide. Sridhara said there is no such thing as GBC, so they did not want managing, so the crimes went unchecked. SM and SNM said they are gurus and not managers (GBC). So without managing, children were starved, beat and molested. Thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
I remember the paper on the notice board in Bhaktivedanta Manor which said that Sivaram Giriraja and the others had been given an ultimatum to split with SNM or loose their guru status (rediculous in itself) this came at the same time SNM told them to come to Vrindavan to be trained. Unfortunately they choose their guru status and left SNM for good. SNM never supported anything other then Krishnas course.
devarsi 2 years ago
Obviously they began to see Him as a danger to their false positions, which He was and rejected Him. Not only did they insist on their false guru ship, they also rejected the only person who could have helped them advance. he never agreed with them supporting that they where real gurus. he told them that "if you want to become proper gurus then you have to leave everything "your wealth,disciples, prestige" behind and come and live with me in Vrindavan for quiet some time and I train you"
devarsi 2 years ago
attempting pure bhakti, in time, all evil will be destroyed. This is also the power of associating with the pure devotees of The Lord who are giving their mercy to us. If they would have continued associating wit SNM at the time and accepted His guidance, then He would have taken them out of their dilemma and put them right. That was His mission 4 the sake of the gurus disciples which would have had otherwise no proper direction from them.
devarsi 2 years ago
SNM also thinks the same and yes ritvik is bogus full stop.You have no faith in the power of bhakti which is totally independent of a persons degraded nature creed culture or anything. If a person is a deviant therefore, he can not remain a deviant forever, because bhakti will cure him completely and very soon according to the Gita. That is of course if he is repentant and practices bhakti. He should be seen as a sadhu because his intent is proper
devarsi 2 years ago
according to this sloka such a person is rigthly situated if he is repentant & practices properly, just like gold is purified by melting it. No devotee is condemned, despite being sinful or even criminal. Bhakti bestows her mercy like rain falls everywhere and even he will attain prema one day. This does not mean one can perform sinful activities on the strength of the holy name which is condemned and very sinful. In this way I think that even one who has been a false guru by repentance and.....
devarsi 2 years ago
proper practice can be elevated by bhaktis mercy to a proper standard. BG 11.30. Devotion is the principle which destroyes all sinful acts, therefore exclusive devotion, bhakti is to be praised and not the sinful act,Bhaktis tremendous power destroys all sins and such person should still be seen as devotees, so we may reject the activities but we should know that bhakti itself can not be obstructed by anything, not even by an impure heart.
devarsi 2 years ago
SNM does not fit into the category of "abominable" in relation to this sloka. He has never "endorsed" anything as horrible as child abuse...every true devotee knows this. He is a perfect spiritual gentleman, but Your attempts of character assassination of this holy saint and pure devotee, are truly the essence of abominable. So many knowledgeable veteran experts of KC identify Him as a very high calibre pure devotee which He is & so many kanisthas do the opposite trying to find stool .
devarsi 2 years ago
As soon as I said that deviants are not acharyas, SNM said I was a bogus ritvik and he was defending the 11 and their hero Tamal, and Tamal was defending keeping molesters as gurus. SNM also says they are all monkeys, and he told Jayadvaita that the 11 will be seen as rati keli for the new disciples. Monkeys are not assistants to Radha, I hate to have to tell you that? Monkeys are not even on the human level, and they are assistants of the gopis and Vishnupada? You folks do not read shastra.
pada1008 2 years ago
man i cannot accept these views you have on NarayanMaharaja..i guarantee when he leaves his body ISKCON will praise him...NarayanaMaharaja is a pure devotee of Krsna and what Pada1008 is saying is guru aparad
krsnaananda108 2 years ago 3
The people who say that gurus are "engaged in illicit sex with men, women and children" (JAS paper) are going to glorify him? You failed to answer the point, monkeys are not God's Vishnupada messiahs, and Narayana Maharaja is wrong to have supported these regimes. No pure devotee has ever endorsed the worship of illicit sex messiahs, and Narayana Maharaja himself says his messiahs are monkeys. Even a seven year old child knows that monkeys are not messiahs? A child can defeat you. thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
So you think Sriman Hanumanji the servant of Sri Ram is not "messiah"?
Your assumption is the argument of an envious demon, is it not?
As Srila Prabhupada once said. I think you have stool for brains.
You think by ranting on you tube you will save the world but by doing so you have become the enemy of Srila Prabhupada and the greatest enemy of your soul.
TamalKrsna 2 years ago 2
how did Narayan Maharaja endorsed the worship of illicit sex messiahs...what are your veiws on NM disciples?...listen i dont know what has been said or not but i hate this whole thing...this is worng i mean we are all devotees cant we get on? Haribol
krsnaananda108 2 years ago
In 1978 Jayadvaita swami asked NM how disciples of Prabhupada could view the eleven as rati keli gurus. NM said Prabhupada's disciples can't see them that way, but new people must. Simultaneously, NM said all of the disciples are monkeys. Monkeys are not Vishnupada messiahs, am I right or wrong? Why can't you answer the simple question that any 7 year old child knows, monkeys are not messiahs and equals to Jesus. Any 7 year old knows that, apparently none of the NM folks do? thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
"Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated in his determination." this means we may not criticise him, why? because if he is engaged he is properly situated, his intention is proper in due course he will be okay. These are The Lords instructions and its better to follow them and develop love for God. Apart from that SNM has never even performed anything abominable, he is 100% saintly
devarsi 2 years ago
Yes, Narayana Mj endorsed abominable people as messiahs. Now both your camps say so what, messiahs are sometimes abominable? Srila Prabhupada says anyone who thinks acharyas are fallen and abominable is: a rascal. By the way, when Satsvarupa was hanging with NM, this is what he was saying all the time, our gurus might act abominable, so you have the abominable guru program and we have the pure guru program. Krishna says the guru is a pure as Me, you say that means abominable, what! thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago
here he is again the old word twister, I am saying that Krishnas instructions are to be followed and that Narayana Maharaja has NEVER even done anything abominable. I simply quoted from the Gita, stating that SNM has never done anything abominable and if even a someone who has performed horrible acts should be seen as Krishna orders, then SNM is certainly 100% okay according to The Lords teachings. You dont follow Krishnas teachings at all, you simply overlook this sloka
devarsi 2 years ago
Narayana Maharaja has done nothing abominable, except he left his teen age bride just after she had his baby. Then he says our feeding the poor widows and children is a bogus ritvik program, so he wants us to abandon the widows and children, and then, he criticizes the ritviks who are feeding the widows and children? He supported the bogus gurus while they were banning, beating, molesting and assassinating people, he is not the Mafia, he is just the Pope of the Mafia? This is great? ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
Lord Chaitanya also left His young wife, so what? Ritvik is totally 100% non sastric everyone scholarly devotee knows that and maybe he calls ur programs bogus, because behind the scenes your full of offensive persons spearheaded & badly manipulated by you, as shown in your last post again. You are regularly distorting the truth about SNM who never did anything like it and you know it, and if you don't then you must be a very sick individual to even dare being that offensive.
devarsi 2 years ago
actually not spear headed by you, because lots of ritviks dont even like you and reject you, for them your a bad apple in the box. You know what I think? I think Srila Prabhupada would be ashamed of you and kick you out the temple because you are so offensive to His old Friend Srila Narayana Maharaja whom as He himself put it, loved as much as He loved His own spiritual master Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja.
devarsi 2 years ago
Srila Prabhupada would applaud anyone who says that child molesters are not his Vishnupada successors, and he would reject anyone who has defended that bogus process, period. Srila Saraswati Bhaktisiddhanta uses the title of Vishnupada, and as soon as I said this title should not be used by homosexuals, Sridhara and SNM defended Tamal's homosexual Vishnupada program. I do not care who agrees with me or not, molesters, monkeys, deviants, they are not Vishnupada successors to God. Period! ys pd
pada1008 2 years ago
No, according to Vedas you cannot leave the NEW BABY, SNM left the NEW BABY. Even in the ordinary world if you leave the NEW BABY you are a CRIMINAL. Criminal negligence. Lord Chaitanya did not leave the NEW BABY. You are saying Lord Chaitanya wants us to leave the NEW BABY! This is wrong! It is criminal to leave the new baby. And while SNMs gurus were driving Cadillacs, the children were being STARVED, and SNM said I was bogus protestor, he was defending the child abusers AS GURUS. thanks pd
pada1008 2 years ago