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  • I have this dvd it is so real 8)

    Ian Curtis forever.

  • great upload, thanks

  • Thanks , I found it on DVD after I posted this

  • IAN'S GUITAR!!! The Vox Phantom.

  • They brought a little piece of Ian on stage with them :) Fantastic version of this song!

  • I must have watched this a hundred times over the past couple of years. It's one of my favourite moments in music ever. Bernie's guitar solo at the end just makes me melt.

    This and the John Peel session version of 5 8 6 drive me crazy.

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  • Like a previous commenter said, this is still Joy Division to me, but in transition to New Order. I love NO's darker records.:)

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  • Wish I could get this show on DVD

  • @ceecoursian It is on DVD

  • to much wizzz are barney !! still fookin brilliant !!!!!!

  • woooooooooooooooooooow!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!

  • What was the audience expecting? How much NO material had been released in the U.S. before this concert?

  • @TheObimara I saw them 2 weeks before this show. We were expecting Ceremony/In A Lonely Place/Everything's Gone Green/Procession (as they were the only 2 released records out) ... and whatever else we got. They played 9 songs the night I saw them. In my set list I only had 4 songs of the 9 (I guessed "Dreams Never End" as a title, and they didn't play "Ceremony").

    You can find a recording of the gig I saw by Googling "New Order" + "Perkins Palace" + "FLAC".

  • avec l'album"movement","blue monday" et "cries and whispers",ce que je retiens de new order....

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  • on the albums, i had always thought the bass had a heavy chorus sound , but here the bass has a lot of delay going on...

  • I believe that that is Ian's Vox Phantom Bernhard is using there?

  • It's still Joy Division, but in transition.

  • i just won some stupid thing at work and got asked what was my favorite song and i didnt say this one and im sorry about that cuz this is it. i said boombox ft JC. But this is the shit.

  • the best age of New Order

  • That was Ian's guitar :( <3

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  • seems like i been here before

  • Great track from a great gig that was out on Factory VHS.

    Thanks for posting.

    V.O.I.D.MK20 (MA)

  • Drums are way out of time.

  • @GanEdenAustralia - Ha ha ha

  • @GanEdenAustralia

    It's NewOrder at that time, I'ts how it was.

    Jeez you were happy if half their equipment worked then and they were relieved.

    Tosser.

  • @WLancs LOLOLOL God bless

  • @GanEdenAustralia Defend what you believe in? No?

  • 9 dislikes????

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  • hooky = fucking sinister

  • One of the sickest performances...

  • @gold95 huh?

  • @Stube437 huh, what?

  • @gold95 why did you put this is 'one of the sickest performances'

  • @Stube437 because it is...

  • Great sound on this..nice!

  • yeh, It s the vox peardrop that Ian C used on LWTUA, I nearly pinched it from their rehearsal room in Salford when they forgot to lock it, but didn`t, glad about that...

  • @atomise2010 Actually, that's a Vox Phantom. Vox Teardrops are shaped like a teardrop, Phantoms are shaped like a skewed coffin (angled hexagon, basically). But yes, than was Ian's guitar.

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  • isn't that Ian's guitar that Barney was playing? I read in his autobiography that he was given Ian's guitar...if not my bad, but it sure looks like it.

  • I used to have this twelve inch.....one of NOs best after JD.......things are coming together....drums...damn......­.Barneys jangle....and Hookys unbeaten bass. This band has a ton of humor and ton questions......most influential band of the 80s.....sorry Cure fans.

  • I love the title of this song, it's such a perfect song for selling a hybrid car or electric car. I wonder if any auto makers have thought of using this song in a commercial.

  • is that Ians guitar?

  • Awesome!

  • ok....he is the BEST drummer ! For sure ! ;-))))

    (I am just curious to know how he can drum without moving his hands during the 1st minute...)

  • @ericlepetit Yeah... the Human Drum Machine

  • @ericlepetit What? It's mostly live drums you fool. The drum machine is only playing counter rhythm in the background.

  • Sounds very Joy Divisionish.. love both bands..

  • Dude I love smoking weed and I love New Order, but trust me this song has nothing to do whatsoever with smoking weed.

  • lol

  • This song is so wicked. I wanna ride a bicycle forever to this.

  • this is my favorite song of NO....

  • Yes, that guitar is the Vox "Teardrop" model.

  • Sizzling performance- makes me want a smoke when it's over.

  • @570ant I'm smoking right now while watching this.

  • @VegetableBonez we're talking about two different things.

  • @570ant You should really smoke weed to this, for fucks sake, it's called Everything's Gone Green. What's that supposed to mean?

  • I love the percolating but  dark groove of this track.Perfectly constructed modern music.

  • best Song from New Order !

  • Legends!

  • Very good live video in excellent quality!

  • I've always thought Peter Hook was an underrated and over looked bassist.

  • @swaggs I totally agree with you. Before JD there wasn't many bassist's playing lead and low on the fretboard.

  • So what exactly is he using For a Bass and amp? I think it's my favorite intro ever.

  • It seems like ive been here before...

  • Best version of this nice song.

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  • Yeah, I love New Order!!!

  • yap. at least that's what they say..

  • I actually wish they'd released the song played THIS way, this is way more like it.

  • Is Bernard playing the same guitar that Ian Curtis used in the "Love will tear us apart" video?

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  • This is phenomenal stuff. I have most of the old Factory VHS releases of New Order live, but it was nice to stumble on this. This stuff is the real deal.

  • SUBSTANCE B !

  • yeah!!!

  • I cant remember the drummers name but he is one of the best. Is he still around?

  • Stephen Morris and yes

  • He sure is still around and he plays drums on some of Bernard's new bands material.

  • stephen morris, he and NO 'cept hooky put out an album under the band name "bad lieutenant", he's a fucking machine, awesome drum style. anyways

  • @curtq Stephen is a "machine" and always has been. Plus he was the "brains" of the group. Knew lots about the new electronics that was becoming available.

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  • Stephen Morris. One of the best drummers of all time.

  • Correction,

    THE best drummer of all time...

  • @COUVELOMBARDA The human drum machine.....thats his nickname....Stephen is one of the most underated drummers.

  • @noveltyme he certainly is. underrated or not he will be always a pioneer.

  • @COUVELOMBARDA gonna carve that in stone.

  • best song from New Order ! I love the BASS play !

  • God I love NW...The first time I heard this song was 1983ish...I heard this at UCSC and I was a fan for life.

  • This is one of my all time fav's by New Order!!! WOW....they r sooooo young!

  • These has to be the coolest video on Youtube........

  • man i hate having double ear infections like i have right now, i can barely hear the glorious music that is new order.

  • I miss the 80 ds I use to blast New Order

  • still fuckinj brilliant !! forever ,manchester patriot !!¬xx

  • amazing

  • This is such cool song. It's on the 316 dvd. I got that awhile ago quite cheaply. It was a great purchase.

  • i fuckin love new order forever .40 year old manc

  • Bernard is a very underrated guitarist. i just love the awesomeness of his guitar work on Unknown Pleasures.

  • He Still has that guitar - It was loaned to the makers of "24 Hour Party People"

  • My understanding is that the VOX guitar was stolen along with all the other gear on their first trip through the US in early 1981(??) so not sure that the one used on 24HP was the original used by Joy Division.

  • New Order's gear was stolen on Sept. 21st or 22nd 1980, right after their first US gig at Maxwell's in Hoboken, NJ.

    I saw New Order 2 weeks before this Taras gig (in Pasadena, California on Nov. 6th 1981), so you might say I have more than a passing familiarity with them during this era ...

  • The timing sounds right and come to think about it, there are several references to NJ ...thanks for the info mate! I have been following NO since the very beginning ... can you imagine what we would have known back then if we hada had access to the internet? Great times just the same!

  • did you steal there gear madfhead

  • @RiotNrrrdUTube - Another question for ya ... if they had their equipment stolen in Sept 1980 and did the Taras show later in late 1981 whos' VOX is Bernard using? Somehow I thought they had lost it along with the other equipment, but obviously that could not have happened. Or is the VOX a new one they purchased after the stolen equipment?

  • @piedrada I'm not 100% sure but it might've been Ian's. Watch the official "Love Will Tear Us Apart" video and compare the two.

  • Bernard has big balls to do what he did - and then to make it work: what a guy!

  • Hey is that Ian's guitar?

  • think it was on this tour that all the gear that linked to j/d got nicked from van in n/y

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  • Interesting to see the different chord voicings Barney uses. I hadn't picked up on that so much from listening to the released version.

  • To the person who left the comment"This is the Sister Ray of electronic music" Fuck yes!!

  • Bernard is Adorable...

  • Bernard joue en effet de la même guitare que celle qu'Ian utilisa sur "Love will tear us appart". Ian ne jouait pas de guitare. Il utilisa une guitare ou un synthé que très rarement et peut-être même que sur un seul morceau, il me semble.

  • Is that Ian's guitar Barney's playing. I read their equipment they used as Joy Division got stolen around this time but I'm not sure if that's his guitar he's using. It looks like the same model but there's no whammy bar and Ian's guitar had a more "metallic" sound to it because of the built in "battery-powered" effects. Nonetheless, I still think Barney's using Ian's guitar but then again I could be wrong.

  • To me it sounds like the same guitar, just being used into a different rig, and being played by a different person (its like how if i let someone borrow my guitar/FX/Amp and they use the same settings, they sound different even when they play the same song!). I read somewhere that he was given the guitar when Ian died, though.

  • No, they both bought a Vox Phantom each when they were in Joy Division.

    Not sure who's got Ian's though.

  • ian had two and when he died he gave one to bernard. its the same one as in the love will tear us apart clip

  • It is Ian's Guitar, Barney recorded a few of the early tracks with it. Everythings gone green is one of those.

  • The gear was stolen after the Boston gig shortly after this - uninsured. Fuck.

  • Gah, IDK what's worse, some dirty shit stealing Ian's tombstone, or the actual gear. I mean, in my opinion, the tombstone is a symbol of a person, but stealing someone's actual possession shows far greater disrespect if you ask me. I hope the jackass at least had the decency to hold on to it and didn't just sell it carelessly

  • Great story though ... stolen in NYC thereby bringing to pass a complete end to anything linked back to JD ... quite poetic as Tony Wilson stated.

  • he inherited the guitar so its possible.

  • PLEASE

    SHOW ME THE WAY !

  • You are so fucking right!!!!

  • HELP ME

    SOMEBODY HELP ME

  • Forgot how good this really was, it was ground-breaking! New Order were fantastic in the eighties.

  • Does anyone else think this sounds similar to 'Blue Monday'?

  • You know in my youth I liked New Order but as I aged I realize that it suburban music even in 1981 not that I was into them that was like 89. This was was not relevent to the "real underground" in '81 and certainly there more popular stuff that came afterwords was equal to Coldplay.

  • as convuluted as the above sounds what I'm tring to say is New Order = Lame, boring, fill in the blank_________________

  • what you are trying to say dear sir, and i dare say you said it with great finesse, is the following: "i am a fool who cannot spell, cannot construct a sentence, let alone a critique on New Order. basically i am better than you all." prat.

  • I'm a new orser fan

    As in brian orser

    cbecause Figure skaters are more manly then new orser fans

    and I don't mean that it a homophobic conotation cos I'm gay

    I like soup

    it makes me poop

    down my leg and in my boot

  • this is amazing, i've never met a genuinely mentally-retarded youtube user before!

  • Jacko

    My love

    we fit together like two doves making whoopi

    our kisses are like fine wine

    as we lay down in the pines

    so tender sharing our warmth as the soil is the floor we are wrapped in a coil

    it feels so good as the wood of our oneness

    leads to so much funness

    we listen to Comets on fire

    and so glad the is NOOOOO New Order

  • Colplay? Colplay sell millions of records and their songs play ad nauseam on the radio. New Order sold enough records, but nowhere near mainstream quantity. The Cure and Depeche Mode both were much more popular and sold a lot more records. New Order lost tons of money for staying with Factory and that is more underground than many of your underground "artists". Beside, I don't think that New Order care to be underground or not, they just are whatever they are.

  • Great early footage of a great performance.

    The rebirth of great talent post Joy Division.

  • is that IANS guitar!!????

  • yeah it is and it was later stolen i believe

  • that sucks

  • that bass sound is badass anyone know what type of delay hooky used during this time?

  • Sounds like a Flange Delay.

    New Order is known for this Bass sound. It is said that the bass player played at a higher register because he couldn't hear himself on the crappy equipment they had in the beginning. This style stuck and became a signature sound.

  • fuckin pioneers

  • It got nicked with the rest of their gear in NYC in the early 80s

  • yeah that is ian's guitar the Vox Phantom Special VI, bernard used for some early new order songs. I wonder where it is now.

  • anyone notice that barney is playing the same guitar Ian Curtis used, specially in the vid for love will tear us apart

  • yes it's ians guitar bernad inherit it.

  • It can't be the same guitar used by Ian in the Love Will Tear Us Apart clip, can it? Didn't NO have all their gear stolen during their first US tour in early 1981?

    Unless it was given to Ian's family or something after he died, and they lent it back to Bernard....

  • Looks like Ian's Vox Phantom to me but with the whammy bar remove. Not 100% sure tho. Surely(The Vox)should've gone to Ian's family though, you woulda thought, maybe it did to start with I guess? Along with that Melodica.

  • Why would that melodica be Ian's family? It was Barney who played it no?

  • It was Ian's melodica, Barney 'inherited' it.

  • I know that, but when you inherit something, doesn't that mean it then belongs to you? Ian didn't play the melodica, he probably gave it to Barney.

  • No, Ian played the melodica, it was his idea to use it as he was an Augustus Pablo fan. Ian used it on 'Decades' and 'In A Lonely Place' demo version just before he died. Trust me. Obviously New Order were left with Ian's equipment when he died.

  • I know that it was Ian's idea to use the melodica, but I'm not sure it was actually him who played the instrument. I have to read the biographies again, but I don't remember reading anywhere that specifically said Ian played it, just that he brought it to the studio and that Joy Division used it on two songs.

  • Bit sketchy really but if you ever get to hear 'In a Lonely Place' the Graveyard Studio/rehearsal 'live' demo version recorded circa April 1980 on the Heart & Soul Box Set Bernard's playing the synth & there's also a melodica on there which must have been played by Ian. Anyway it was a great idea whoever thought of it, used a lot on early New Order stuff, I bought a melodica myself cos it's got such a cool sound for which is basically a kids instrument.

  • You have a good point, he probably played it after all.

  • Great song this, infact I love the 'Movement' era. Barney looks ill at ease being lead singer but it gives it all an edge they lost later.

  • awesome vid. thanks for sharing.

  • Wowza... Barney is using Ian's guitar there, right?

  • yea that tear drop guitar from love will tear us apart!

  • No, go watch the Love will Tear us apart video again, they are different

  • They look and sound like the future that never came.

  • fuck off u old git ;)

  • haha yeahh sounds sick when the guitar 1st comes in reminds me of some song orsomething from the 90s over here in the uk anyone know who?

  • tit

  • AWESOME! I would have loved to see the band at this raw stage.. half the time the lyrics weren't what you heard on the record!

  • Incredible sound! even after 27 years.