it was a draw because in order for a fighter to defeat a champ he need to punish him not just out box him chavez did not look beat up that is why it was a draw look at all the fight and the only time the champ loses is when hes face looks f up and the challenger is all clean
run, hug and dirty shots, that is a great fight????? jajaja lol
What a diference of the Greatest ALI (DANCE AND FIGHT) .. sorry i like the boxing defense style but that fight is bizarre.. Pernell 32-1 maybe win by slap points but is more young than chavez (33) with 87-0 .. the fact is chavez prime is a mothaFuc assasin unbeatable pit bull . The record speaks for itself. floyd too get a gift with castillo and DLH. DLH with Trinidad etc etc
@shannontomsik TAYLOR DID NOT GET ROBBED CUS IF YOU LOOK WHEN HE GOT KNOCK DOWN THE REF ASK HIM TWICE ARE YOU OK ARE YOU OK AND HE DID NOT RESPOND WHICH MEANS EVEN IF IT WAS ONLY ONE SECOND LEFT HE WAS OUT
One of the worst decisions in the history of boxing. Whittaker took this fight hands down. he controlled the fight from start to finish. He was a master.
I remember scoring this fight with a couple of buddies who were fighters. we all gave it to Witaker by a comfortable margin even though we all dug Chavez. Witaker was one of the smoothest fight ever when he was at the top of his game. Chavez is lucky to have an iron chin that night because he was getting clocked very often. I Loved witakers ability to totally nulify Chavez' power!!! Meldrick had the right idea but couldn't get out of the why.
Whitiker was the man period. Never ducked anyone and even fought the young lions late into his career, unlike alot of these guys today (Floyd and Pac) who ignore or have promoters talk thier way out of fighting young champions. Gotta respect greatness from a guy who's losses and draws are all debated besides the trinadad (a beast young lion) fight. The guy fought anyone, ANYWHERE. He has went to many fighter's hometowns and knew in his head that they wasn't messin with him.
@spartantournament Whitiker was puttin on a clinic. Mentally on the outside, Whitiker had chavez losing a guessing game and kept him fustrated of the jab while on the back foot firing combinations. He also took chavez to smother school showing him how throw combinations shoulder to shoulder, as well as coming out of close quaters. In and out, then while in range he showed chavez why he is considered the best defensive fighter of all time in the eyes of some. Whitiker definately won.
Sweet Pea whupped that ass...this was one of the worst decisions ever. Don King and the rest of them crooks were only concerned about getting Chavez to 100-0 but we all know Pea won that fight, then Frankie Randall handled him anyway
chavez is tough as hell. whitaker never really did hurt him. but sweet pea made him look outclassed and chavez never did much to whtiaker. JCC clearly lost to a better fighter.
Chavez was an overated bum, any fights he won were due to terrible judging ( JUST ASK WHITAKER)' most of the fights Ive seen hes usually geting his ass handed to him
@KleioCotto Then you haven't seen enough Chavez was a great fighter. Whittaker beating him like he did shows Whittaker's greatness. Chavez usually dominated fighters and Taylor was a ruined fighter after his fight with him his resiliency beat out of him.However Sweet Pea did get robbed and I think Taylor did also they should have let him finish the fight or at least try no matter how much time was left but a few secs left shorted a courageous Philly fighter from perhaps his only great moment .
Why isnt Chavez punching? He didnt look like the aggresive Chavez of old looks like he went in 2 get hit doesnt even throw combos wtf Whitaker was a good fighter except he hugged 2much looks like he wants 2 kiss Chavez dam I think he hugged more times than Chavez threw punches
there is no way you can compare floy to pernell... i mean pernell could do it all, and he could fight inside.. Floyd only runs.. pernell had all the tools. it they were both at their primes today floyd would look ridiculus against sweet pea
@lucky70duce fuck man? shut the hell up! just because one guy stands one way and the other guy a different way dosent mean they are not similar and how can u even call yourself a boxing fan if you dont see how close mayweeather and whitaker were
Im not a boxing fan i am boxer a south paw does more than stand diffrent you fucking dumbass whitaker and mayweather are totaly diff obviously you dont know shit about boxing
i dbout it very much i mean the fact that you say mayweather and whitaker are not similar shows me you know very little about the sport whitaker took more chances then mayweather whitaker commited more to his punches then floyd dose floyd is harder puncher with one punch but he dosent put his combos togeather as well as pernell dose
it so clear you dont know shit about boxing a guy wuth only 17knockouts in 46 fights buts his punches together good hahahahaha you dont know shit about boxing man even whitaker him self will tell you he is no puncher everybody in the game knows him for his defense stop flip floping to what im saying because you dont know shit about boxing mayweather and whitaker are not so damn similar just a littel you cant even spell similar you fucking dumbass
im not going to write a big ass post for you and explain all this diff comparing maywether and whitaker is like appels and oranges whitaker pitty pats mayweather has more power in shots
@truthseeker215, lucky is right....both defensive first fights but thats where the similarities end. Stances......No Mayweather Shoulder roll for Pernell.....and no Squatting to his knees to avoid punches like Pernell for Floyd....Pernell constantly pumps the jab....Floyd seldomly uses his....Lead left is the money punch for Pernell.....counter right is the money punch for Floyd. .....Floyd superfundamentally sound and Pernel always threw out the rule book.
you're right...i remember watching this fight fight as a kid and distinctly remember the two fights before this bout...the first fight went the distance and a winner was announced. Don King himself I got ahold of the microphone inside the ring and there was an announcement that the score cards were miscounted. A recount and all of a sudden that first fight was a draw.
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chavez wuz a stupid wetback that let a stupid nigger like don king make millions off of him....while he got bare minimum......100 and sumthing fights, ....lol he was fighting like every month.......fighting people who had 2nd jobs......chavez sucked just like his son jr sux
Im a Chavez fan and Pernell should have got the decision even tough I think sweet pea was a boring fighter. Lou Duva in an RING magazine admitted that they avoided Chavez years before because Chavez was better than Pea at that time.
This was one of the biggest robberies I ever saw in boxing. I remember the night of the fight and the day after, it was pure BS. Chavez was a good champion but on his best day he was nowhere in the same realm as Whitaker. Chavez knew he got his ass whipped.
Nowhere in the same realm as Whitaker? Everybody remembers Chavez, his record speaks for himself. His fights are watched many times and he is known and cheered everywhere, Pernell?? Hahaha. He was just hugging and running. He should be thankful he didn´t fight Julio 3 years earlier, he would have ended in the morgue.
@budfr The only reason Chavez was more remembered is because he had all of MEXICO behind him. Pernell was a brash black fighter, run of the mill. He beat chavez this day or any day. He was the better boxer. Whittaker got robbed here and against de la hoya. Chavez got ktfo by de la hoya twice. No comparison of who is better. Whittaker all the way.
@twiceasnice45 All of Mexico?? Of course, but remember Whitaker was American, and American media also had great words for Chavez. Whitaker had people on his side, mostly blacks and some reporters, but the hardcore fans were with Chavez because he was aggressive, powerful and not a hugger. Whitaker ran for half his fights. Better boxer?? Better runner.hugger in my opinion. This is the reason why in Mexico and Latin America ( except Ricans) people prefer pacman and not Mayweather. The latter bores
Chavez was definantly in the same 'realm' as Whitaker, if not better. He's undoubtedly has more of a 'legend status' than Pernell. Dont get it twisted though I'm a Pernell fan, and he was so blaitenly robbed in this. Think this was a career defining performance from Sweet Pea- just a shame he was up against corrupt/blind judges.
The judges just robbed this man. It don't matter if he was out of his prime or whatever. If thats the case then he shouldn't of been in the ring. The just robbed that man of this fight back then.
alot of things to consider chavez at this point of his career was already a drunk, coke head, and wife beater jaja seriously though he was !!!! also was his first fight as a welterweight which was 145 i believe. all his fights were at light welter which was 140 and below. in this fight he seem tired ..he look like shit. maybe the bad life and extra weight caught to him. this man was a beast but the bad life caught up to him. today i know for a fact that he is always on coke everyday. shame
Don't get me wrong, I love Chavez. He's one of my great idols, and on another night he way have won. But I'm also a realistic person. Whitaker won this fight.
And there is no shame in losing to an all time great like Pernell Whitaker.
to much low blows from witiker but all chavez needed to doe was time him wait for a jab from witiker pull his head back to his left then come back with a left jab followed by a right hook. but chavez got frustrated and that's all a guy like witiker needs. classic fight
Whitaker dominated the fight. At worst you can score it 8-4 for him and even then that's a stretch. It's amazing that he even beat Chavez in the exchanges. JCC got hit with some big power punches.
Well it depends on who is scoring the fight, He got out worked but you cant see that in the video because these are just the Highlights not the full fight.
I scored the fight 9-3 for Whitaker. He boxed beautifully, there's a reason the sport is called "the sweet science", he moved, he made JCC fight his fight, and controlled the action. Whitaker had his greatest win ever stolen from him
lol. Man i give Chavez his prop's he was a great one. But, he had no chance when he ran into Sweet Pea. Just two different styles bro. The art of boxing, to hit and not be hit. I still think Chavez will be able to wipe his arse when he's 70. He didn't have a heavy hitter in this fight and he gave more punishment than he took in his career. Peace
.....worst justification for a robbed victory I have ever seen, period.
"If you can't KO him you don't deserve to win!" Did it occur to you that not all boxing styles revolve around a knockout, and that some fighters with iron chins have *never* been knocked out?
Too much idiocy to deal with it all in one post. I give up. You're a blind idiot whose mexican name betrays all the bias I'll ever need to see.
Robbery?? to chavez. He went forward the whole time, chasing whitaker, who probably landed more shots but none of them hurt chavez. Guys like whitaker began the " fad" of huggin, running, throwing slaps. He even hugged after he threw a punch! Chavez was a bit past his prime here, and still chased whitaker all over the ring.
yeah?? he won in the hugging-running department. check for example at 1 : 50, whitaker huged even after landing a shot!! you will never see a mexican doing that pussy stuff.
Yeah, he won in the hugging-runnng department and he also won in the clown a wetback department also! LOL Styles make fights, TWINKIE. Chavez was a pressure fighter and Whitaker was a slick boxer with great defense and footwork, he used those assets in this fight because he knew he could'nt knock him out. Chavez loss this fight!!, and some intelligent wetback have admitted it, DUMBASS!!!!!
The way I score each round is simple win = effective offense vs effective defense. Offense is essential in the sport so more important of the two. Offensively PW had little to offer round by round except for four rounds. JCC offense was not as domnt but a little more effective. Then you look at D's and both PW and JCC displayed great D. PW D used lateral movement, jab and not risking. JCC D was headmovement, pressure and blocking. Both were equally effective. JCC won on a 10 pt sys
Floyd Mayweather Jnr best fits the description of a boxer who runs all the time. Whitaker was a defensive genius and wasn't afraid to stand toe to toe when he had to.
Mexican or not. He lost the fight, period. I know you idol Chavez, and that's cool, he will go down as one of my greatest fighter's. But, like it or not that pussy stuff got him in trouble when he faced Sweet Pea. You don't have to give him prop's Pea is one of the G.O.A.T and no one can dispute it. To hit and not be hit.
Utter nonsense pal! Whitaker whupped him! disgrace of a result! Whitaker's friend Meldrick Taylor was also denied victory against Chavez in dubious fashion!
ii watched this fight over and over and i stii cant see how this was called a draw. JCC was a great boxer but on this night he was clearly outclassed period.
A ROBBERY...this is as clear as someone going into a bank, nothing hiding their face,gun point blank in the face, demanding money, and saying"THIS IS A ROBBERY"!!
i know what ur sayen...i seem to favor brawlers or inside fighters.....jabing and running around isnt exciting...yes hes good but id rather watch someone else fight
See man, this is the same old shit. People like heavy-hitters, and show-boaters, and people with big personalities better than they like technical boxers. People think that winning by decision isn't real winning, and amazing boxers like Whitaker get forgotten. It's the same reason almost all listings of greatest heavyweights has Dempsey above Tunney. It's very sad.
Yeah, Chavez lost this fight. But going 87-0 before truly tasting defeat is a good accomplishment in itself, the fight was quite boring with no real memorable moments (until the shocking outcome at the end). And for the people whether black or Mexican who have to resort to racial insults it shows nothing but ignorance on your part.
Why did the American judge only saw it 115-113? If this judge was not "bought", how come he doesnt have Whitaker ahead with a big margin? By the way the America judge gave the last round to Whitaker, a round where Whitaker did not do much.
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JCC won this fight. Whitaker should of been DQed in the 9th. JCC would of knocked Whitakers ass out ithats why Whitaker being a pussy had to low blow him NINE times
Chavez like Pryor and Gomez didn't even debut at 1 of the original 8 weight divisions? fought a lot of blown up featherweights after they'd been softened up the much greater Salvador Sanchez.
oh salvador sanchez is the greatest, i dont care what u say, chavez is second to him, and to say chavez fougth soft fighters shows u know nothing about boxing, Meldrick taylor was the baddest mutha in the world, and had the gold medal to prove it, thats soft? lol, rosario soft? la porte was soft to huh, wow
would you not agree the Taylor fight was controversial? could you honestly say Rosario was a great fighter? a damn good one yes! but damn the word "great" get used very loosely these days? LaPorte that's another story? like I said softened up by the great Sal Sanchez and even so? he gave Chavez all he could handle considering he's a natural featherweight.
controversial because they didnt give meldrick the last 3 seconds for free? that wouldnt be fair to chavez, it is what it is, if it wasnt for those ropes, he cant get up, watch the vid dude, ur wrong again, barrera, morales, are really good boxers, chavez and salv are in another league, thats great, floyd think at 39-0 and fighting all those non significant opponents is great, lol, thats aight in my book, Tito trinidad, oscar, gomez, la porte, are really good, but cant be in sentence wit jc n SS
forget the ropes? point is he made it back to his feet! it was a judgment call on the part of Steele? now weather he was part of the apparatus working for Don King on Chavez's behalf? that's another story? I think the point your getting across is that Sal was the greatest from Mexico? in which I concur. But as for Chavez being #2? I strongly disagree! many people overlook Olivares a 3 time champion just like Chavez with a record of 100 fights and 77 KO's. All his opponents were in their primes.
well said, sal is the greatest mexican that has ever lived to box, no doubt about that, but chavez has to be 2, 87-0 c'mon, that is hard shit, olivarez is 3 in my book, just as good, but i gave the slight advantage for chavez,
yea that why he couldnt get to 87-0 uh, chavez took out meldrick taylor, end of story, he was the baddest gold medalist at the time, olivarez never fought someone of that calliber
the way I see it: Chavez didn't even debut at 1 of the original 8 weight divisions; he started at 130 a jr/super division? Olivares at was a 2 division champ, but only his were 118&126; 2 of the original 8. As for Chavez the opposite the only real championship that counts is 135 the 130 and 140 were just adornments.
There are heavyweight fights in 16 foot boxing rings. These two small fighters fought in a 22 foot ring! This definately helped whitaker run around. Chavez still landed his shots. See the interview after the fight. Whitaker's face has more punishment than in any other fight in his career.
mambosando: You make a good point; the size of the ring did favor Sweet Pea, but Whitaker didn't use all of the ring throughout the fight. There were extended periods throughout the fight where Sweet Pea traded punches w/ Chavez. And Chavez LOSS THE IN-FIGHTING PART OF THE FIGHT!!! That was his specialty. Sweet Pea beat him at his own game.
One of the worst decisions in the history of boxing.
why everybody says Whitaker won? los dos se dieron con todo, both make a lot of clean punches, well if run(1 point for every mile) and land low blows makes points, then yes, sweet pea won.
Whitaker sure likes hugs.
sakewon 2 months ago
Whitaker took him to school in this fight. Both are among my top five favorites all-time though.
Croft578707 3 months ago
it was a draw because in order for a fighter to defeat a champ he need to punish him not just out box him chavez did not look beat up that is why it was a draw look at all the fight and the only time the champ loses is when hes face looks f up and the challenger is all clean
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AND ON THIS FIGHT I LOVE CHAVEZ BUT WHITAKER WON HANDS DOWN
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getsudatensho 3 months ago
run, hug and dirty shots, that is a great fight????? jajaja lol
What a diference of the Greatest ALI (DANCE AND FIGHT) .. sorry i like the boxing defense style but that fight is bizarre.. Pernell 32-1 maybe win by slap points but is more young than chavez (33) with 87-0 .. the fact is chavez prime is a mothaFuc assasin unbeatable pit bull . The record speaks for itself. floyd too get a gift with castillo and DLH. DLH with Trinidad etc etc
floyd style is more cleaner than Whitaker
deltok 4 months ago
I had it 117-111 for Whitaker and even then i was generous to Chavez. This was an exhibition by Whitaker and why was there no rematch?
MottTheWot 6 months ago
2 complete legends,for me pernell is the most technicly perfect fighter ive ever seen,no one does hit and dont get hit better than sweet pea,
nickgeorgiou13 6 months ago
taylor got robbed to> he would have survived 9 seconds.
shannontomsik 6 months ago
@shannontomsik TAYLOR DID NOT GET ROBBED CUS IF YOU LOOK WHEN HE GOT KNOCK DOWN THE REF ASK HIM TWICE ARE YOU OK ARE YOU OK AND HE DID NOT RESPOND WHICH MEANS EVEN IF IT WAS ONLY ONE SECOND LEFT HE WAS OUT
getsudatensho 3 months ago
i dont understand...how this was a draw ?
funnyblackmans 7 months ago
Someone please explain to me how this fight was even close.
Sniper219 8 months ago
@Sniper219 thats what i was wondering.
funnyblackmans 7 months ago
i agree that this was a robbery, because Whittaker shouldve been DQed,he's a dirty bitch
adrian14643 10 months ago
One of the worst decisions in the history of boxing. Whittaker took this fight hands down. he controlled the fight from start to finish. He was a master.
twiceasnice45 11 months ago 2
pendejos. chavez es mejor ke toda esa pichi bola de cuervos.
aarles151 11 months ago
I remember scoring this fight with a couple of buddies who were fighters. we all gave it to Witaker by a comfortable margin even though we all dug Chavez. Witaker was one of the smoothest fight ever when he was at the top of his game. Chavez is lucky to have an iron chin that night because he was getting clocked very often. I Loved witakers ability to totally nulify Chavez' power!!! Meldrick had the right idea but couldn't get out of the why.
slybear525 11 months ago
Whitiker was the man period. Never ducked anyone and even fought the young lions late into his career, unlike alot of these guys today (Floyd and Pac) who ignore or have promoters talk thier way out of fighting young champions. Gotta respect greatness from a guy who's losses and draws are all debated besides the trinadad (a beast young lion) fight. The guy fought anyone, ANYWHERE. He has went to many fighter's hometowns and knew in his head that they wasn't messin with him.
Lastletter26 11 months ago
robbery
polos505 1 year ago
Whitaker was a dirty figher hold chavez arms he is a loser
spartantournament 1 year ago
@spartantournament Whitiker was puttin on a clinic. Mentally on the outside, Whitiker had chavez losing a guessing game and kept him fustrated of the jab while on the back foot firing combinations. He also took chavez to smother school showing him how throw combinations shoulder to shoulder, as well as coming out of close quaters. In and out, then while in range he showed chavez why he is considered the best defensive fighter of all time in the eyes of some. Whitiker definately won.
Lastletter26 11 months ago
your danm right this was no draw that dirty fighter should have had way to many points taken away
Ramiro71121 1 year ago
im suprised candy didnt pour out of chavez from all those hits{ human pinata}
thebabycakes71 1 year ago
maybe Pernell did not have enough points taken away for his sloppyness
jkjhkh7 1 year ago
Watch how Pernell backs up Chavez every time he gets sloppy, and too aggressive.
Lightening shots, on the counter, backing the guy up every time.
What Floyd will do to Pacquiao.
Give me a break that's a close fight?! Easy UD
MrCeej9999 1 year ago
@MrCeej9999
hhahahah sloppy by low blows pathetic dirty figther never deserve this fight ....
deltok 1 day ago
Chavez vs. Whittaker = Mayweather vs. Pacquiao
Same result - Floyd's skills too much
MrCeej9999 1 year ago
Salvador Sanchez would have given Whitaker a better fight then Chavez
Socalplyr213 1 year ago
Sweet Pea whupped that ass...this was one of the worst decisions ever. Don King and the rest of them crooks were only concerned about getting Chavez to 100-0 but we all know Pea won that fight, then Frankie Randall handled him anyway
exquizite456 1 year ago
sweet pea WON this fight
TopClassFighter2 1 year ago
chavez is tough as hell. whitaker never really did hurt him. but sweet pea made him look outclassed and chavez never did much to whtiaker. JCC clearly lost to a better fighter.
smokeRocks509 1 year ago
Don't b stupid all u haters chavez never stopped fightin those shots did nothin to chavez what was it Whitaker that did not want the rematch
jkjhkh7 1 year ago
Duran would have ripped Whitaker apart.
honest1963 1 year ago
Chavez was an overated bum, any fights he won were due to terrible judging ( JUST ASK WHITAKER)' most of the fights Ive seen hes usually geting his ass handed to him
KleioCotto 1 year ago
@KleioCotto but he never got kod like the bitches he kod before he went 90-0 so shut the fuk up n watch the pros nfuk taylor2 bitch ass monkey
1stnaruto 1 year ago
@1stnaruto Talk boxing and stop your racist words.
PREZ150 1 year ago
@KleioCotto Then you haven't seen enough Chavez was a great fighter. Whittaker beating him like he did shows Whittaker's greatness. Chavez usually dominated fighters and Taylor was a ruined fighter after his fight with him his resiliency beat out of him.However Sweet Pea did get robbed and I think Taylor did also they should have let him finish the fight or at least try no matter how much time was left but a few secs left shorted a courageous Philly fighter from perhaps his only great moment .
Richdanahuff 1 year ago
whitaker didn't get the decision because he hugged to much......he tried that with DelaHoya and got kicked out of Dodge
johnnychez 1 year ago
this fight went the distence so i give cesar chavez a draw!!
salsancheznumber1fan 1 year ago
Chavez was great but Whitaker was greater.
PREZ150 1 year ago
@PREZ150 witaker was2weak to me the strong are great not the weak that nigger monkey did not go 90-0
1stnaruto 1 year ago
Why isnt Chavez punching? He didnt look like the aggresive Chavez of old looks like he went in 2 get hit doesnt even throw combos wtf Whitaker was a good fighter except he hugged 2much looks like he wants 2 kiss Chavez dam I think he hugged more times than Chavez threw punches
dafoo28 1 year ago
Whitaker, the hugging champion.
budfr 1 year ago 3
sweet pea beat the fuck out of chavez. this is coming from a huge chavez fan.
illyrian4life 1 year ago
Ur honesty is greatly appreciated..................I remember this fight and was disappointed with the score and I liked both of them.
Dizzey1019 1 year ago
why did steele have to take a point away from whittaker,cuz seet pea really needs to get his shit off but the germans wont seem to let him
strongties 1 year ago 2
Ha! Up in the MGM coked up psych.....
drothone 1 year ago
hahahaha WU TANG
strongties 1 year ago
there is no way you can compare floy to pernell... i mean pernell could do it all, and he could fight inside.. Floyd only runs.. pernell had all the tools. it they were both at their primes today floyd would look ridiculus against sweet pea
parracatau 1 year ago
@parracatau Floyd dose not only run he proved that against shane.
Archangel3127 1 year ago
@Archangel3127 shane? he got rocked a long time ago wayb4that u make it seem like he was fighting pacquiao
1stnaruto 1 year ago
mayweather and whitaker are so damn similar
truthseeker215 2 years ago
@truthseeker215 no there not pernell is a south paw floyd is orthdox big diff
lucky70duce 1 year ago
@lucky70duce fuck man? shut the hell up! just because one guy stands one way and the other guy a different way dosent mean they are not similar and how can u even call yourself a boxing fan if you dont see how close mayweeather and whitaker were
truthseeker215 1 year ago
Im not a boxing fan i am boxer a south paw does more than stand diffrent you fucking dumbass whitaker and mayweather are totaly diff obviously you dont know shit about boxing
lucky70duce 1 year ago
i dbout it very much i mean the fact that you say mayweather and whitaker are not similar shows me you know very little about the sport whitaker took more chances then mayweather whitaker commited more to his punches then floyd dose floyd is harder puncher with one punch but he dosent put his combos togeather as well as pernell dose
truthseeker215 1 year ago
it so clear you dont know shit about boxing a guy wuth only 17knockouts in 46 fights buts his punches together good hahahahaha you dont know shit about boxing man even whitaker him self will tell you he is no puncher everybody in the game knows him for his defense stop flip floping to what im saying because you dont know shit about boxing mayweather and whitaker are not so damn similar just a littel you cant even spell similar you fucking dumbass
lucky70duce 1 year ago
im not going to write a big ass post for you and explain all this diff comparing maywether and whitaker is like appels and oranges whitaker pitty pats mayweather has more power in shots
lucky70duce 1 year ago
@truthseeker215, lucky is right....both defensive first fights but thats where the similarities end. Stances......No Mayweather Shoulder roll for Pernell.....and no Squatting to his knees to avoid punches like Pernell for Floyd....Pernell constantly pumps the jab....Floyd seldomly uses his....Lead left is the money punch for Pernell.....counter right is the money punch for Floyd. .....Floyd superfundamentally sound and Pernel always threw out the rule book.
VallaeBoy 1 year ago
on the surface..similar but under further inspection....vastly different
VallaeBoy 1 year ago
Whitaker got robbed in this fight, in know way was this a draw
jarel101 2 years ago 11
Don King wanted them to fight again, but something never allowed it to happen. Sweet Pea was a helluva fighter with great style.
jadreemah 2 years ago
@jarel101
you're right...i remember watching this fight fight as a kid and distinctly remember the two fights before this bout...the first fight went the distance and a winner was announced. Don King himself I got ahold of the microphone inside the ring and there was an announcement that the score cards were miscounted. A recount and all of a sudden that first fight was a draw.
shrike45 9 months ago
whittaker is my last name,lol
666escapethefate 2 years ago 2
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chavez wuz a stupid wetback that let a stupid nigger like don king make millions off of him....while he got bare minimum......100 and sumthing fights, ....lol he was fighting like every month.......fighting people who had 2nd jobs......chavez sucked just like his son jr sux
channelview25 2 years ago
dude ur such an ignorant racist piece of shit .. its kinda funny in a way
djking10XO 2 years ago 2
Are you mad you did not get a raise at your job as a janitor at Wal-Mart? Wal-Mart is makin millions off you cleaning their toilets. Garbage mouth.
jadreemah 2 years ago 2
Im a Chavez fan and Pernell should have got the decision even tough I think sweet pea was a boring fighter. Lou Duva in an RING magazine admitted that they avoided Chavez years before because Chavez was better than Pea at that time.
josemezatorrez 2 years ago
Sal Sanchez would have beat both
Socalplyr213 2 years ago
Sanchez was great, but at 126lbs? no way, no shot he's coming up to 147 to fight these two, not a shot
Ninety2q 2 years ago
crybabies lmao go Chavez
mrbarrera2012 2 years ago
jones in 88, whitaker here, holyfield recently against valuev. all complete bullshit calls
kaspanz 2 years ago
lmao stop crying move on
mrbarrera2012 2 years ago
This was one of the biggest robberies I ever saw in boxing. I remember the night of the fight and the day after, it was pure BS. Chavez was a good champion but on his best day he was nowhere in the same realm as Whitaker. Chavez knew he got his ass whipped.
zardoz303 2 years ago
Nowhere in the same realm as Whitaker? Everybody remembers Chavez, his record speaks for himself. His fights are watched many times and he is known and cheered everywhere, Pernell?? Hahaha. He was just hugging and running. He should be thankful he didn´t fight Julio 3 years earlier, he would have ended in the morgue.
budfr 2 years ago
hugging and running ? all sweet peas hugging and running was certainly snapping Chavez' head back a lot -
strange what all that running and hugging can achieve .
fucktard .
chisacat 2 years ago
@budfr The only reason Chavez was more remembered is because he had all of MEXICO behind him. Pernell was a brash black fighter, run of the mill. He beat chavez this day or any day. He was the better boxer. Whittaker got robbed here and against de la hoya. Chavez got ktfo by de la hoya twice. No comparison of who is better. Whittaker all the way.
twiceasnice45 11 months ago
@twiceasnice45 All of Mexico?? Of course, but remember Whitaker was American, and American media also had great words for Chavez. Whitaker had people on his side, mostly blacks and some reporters, but the hardcore fans were with Chavez because he was aggressive, powerful and not a hugger. Whitaker ran for half his fights. Better boxer?? Better runner.hugger in my opinion. This is the reason why in Mexico and Latin America ( except Ricans) people prefer pacman and not Mayweather. The latter bores
budfr 10 months ago
@budfr Boxing is boxing. It's not stand there and throw punches, that's called MMA.
theblakgeek 10 months ago
Chavez was definantly in the same 'realm' as Whitaker, if not better. He's undoubtedly has more of a 'legend status' than Pernell. Dont get it twisted though I'm a Pernell fan, and he was so blaitenly robbed in this. Think this was a career defining performance from Sweet Pea- just a shame he was up against corrupt/blind judges.
bradCFC91 2 years ago 2
jones getting robbed in 88 AND this fight were two of the biggest screwjobs in boxing imo
niguh2 2 years ago 2
Como sea pero "pernell" perdiooo!! CHAVEZ lo encimo toooda la pelea...ya superenlo...
tigre20007 2 years ago
It is funny how you don't see too many Mexican commenting on this one. Pernell was robbed!!!!!!!!!!!!
hechacaldo 2 years ago
yeah. no i wont take a thing from chavez, the guy is a legend as far as im concerned. but sweet pea clearly won this fight.
niguh2 2 years ago
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mab78639 2 years ago
The judges just robbed this man. It don't matter if he was out of his prime or whatever. If thats the case then he shouldn't of been in the ring. The just robbed that man of this fight back then.
Dmidgette1 2 years ago
History? Yeah, it was a historic robbery.
faintscreams 2 years ago
alot of things to consider chavez at this point of his career was already a drunk, coke head, and wife beater jaja seriously though he was !!!! also was his first fight as a welterweight which was 145 i believe. all his fights were at light welter which was 140 and below. in this fight he seem tired ..he look like shit. maybe the bad life and extra weight caught to him. this man was a beast but the bad life caught up to him. today i know for a fact that he is always on coke everyday. shame
Geots5 2 years ago
how do you know for a fact? were you there?..........uhhh nope.
nickolasweishampel 2 years ago
uhhhh .......yeah i have
Geots5 2 years ago
he sold him the coke...lol
aschindler22 2 years ago
another travesty! first tayler then pernell. its rediculous
yobraud25 2 years ago
this is alot worse than taylor....i dont blame the ref with taylor he prolly kinda fucked up but taylor dint answer twice when asked if he was ok
aschindler22 2 years ago
MOTHERFUCKIN ROBBERY!
SoJuDaMaN 2 years ago
One of the first big fights I saw as a kid. Also a day I grew up with the reality of boxing judges.
jkoff76 2 years ago 3
Don't get me wrong, I love Chavez. He's one of my great idols, and on another night he way have won. But I'm also a realistic person. Whitaker won this fight.
And there is no shame in losing to an all time great like Pernell Whitaker.
PapaMagnum 2 years ago 5
nobody looks good against pernell
1MisterAaron 2 years ago
Sweet Pea.... Enough said...
ScRiLLa2424 2 years ago 3
Robbery.
jordanav 2 years ago 2
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Whiny Lil Bitches He Got Robbed Buuu Whoooo LOL
Nobody Got Robbed People Are Just Blind lol
shithappens520 2 years ago
to much low blows from witiker but all chavez needed to doe was time him wait for a jab from witiker pull his head back to his left then come back with a left jab followed by a right hook. but chavez got frustrated and that's all a guy like witiker needs. classic fight
jessebrito11 2 years ago
Whitaker dominated the fight. At worst you can score it 8-4 for him and even then that's a stretch. It's amazing that he even beat Chavez in the exchanges. JCC got hit with some big power punches.
dhuang8 2 years ago
Well it depends on who is scoring the fight, He got out worked but you cant see that in the video because these are just the Highlights not the full fight.
everlasthero32 2 years ago
whitaker and taylor were robbed of their fights with chavez.
bigsexy1234567 2 years ago
Whitaker > Ali
maybe Whitaker = Ali
lhkjk 2 years ago
niggers
WickedDesmadroso 2 years ago
spics
canibusnj 2 years ago
whitaker= boring fighter
another mayweather
RodasAk47 2 years ago
are you kidding me?
A fighter who never gets hit.
lhkjk 2 years ago
I scored the fight 9-3 for Whitaker. He boxed beautifully, there's a reason the sport is called "the sweet science", he moved, he made JCC fight his fight, and controlled the action. Whitaker had his greatest win ever stolen from him
3SCboy 2 years ago 2
If you wanted to take Chavez throne he should of Ko him, but he didn't!!! so stop complainting!!!
Tezcatlipoca3 2 years ago
lol. Man i give Chavez his prop's he was a great one. But, he had no chance when he ran into Sweet Pea. Just two different styles bro. The art of boxing, to hit and not be hit. I still think Chavez will be able to wipe his arse when he's 70. He didn't have a heavy hitter in this fight and he gave more punishment than he took in his career. Peace
district644 2 years ago
.....worst justification for a robbed victory I have ever seen, period.
"If you can't KO him you don't deserve to win!" Did it occur to you that not all boxing styles revolve around a knockout, and that some fighters with iron chins have *never* been knocked out?
Too much idiocy to deal with it all in one post. I give up. You're a blind idiot whose mexican name betrays all the bias I'll ever need to see.
riskyshotz 2 years ago
Robbery?? to chavez. He went forward the whole time, chasing whitaker, who probably landed more shots but none of them hurt chavez. Guys like whitaker began the " fad" of huggin, running, throwing slaps. He even hugged after he threw a punch! Chavez was a bit past his prime here, and still chased whitaker all over the ring.
budfr 2 years ago
YOUR FULL OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!
canibusnj 2 years ago
Chavez got his ass whooooooooped
bigrob55412 2 years ago
To hit and not be hit. The art of boxing
district644 2 years ago
Not sure what fight yer watchin guys, Whitaker won this fight clearly and decisively, he woulda knocked him out if he had more power.
Canamana42 2 years ago 2
yeah?? he won in the hugging-running department. check for example at 1 : 50, whitaker huged even after landing a shot!! you will never see a mexican doing that pussy stuff.
budfr 2 years ago 2
Yeah, he won in the hugging-runnng department and he also won in the clown a wetback department also! LOL Styles make fights, TWINKIE. Chavez was a pressure fighter and Whitaker was a slick boxer with great defense and footwork, he used those assets in this fight because he knew he could'nt knock him out. Chavez loss this fight!!, and some intelligent wetback have admitted it, DUMBASS!!!!!
canibusnj 2 years ago
Wet back? Come on bro. It's obvious that Sweet Pea won. No need for racist comment's, it's about change. Where's the intelligence?
district644 2 years ago
The way I score each round is simple win = effective offense vs effective defense. Offense is essential in the sport so more important of the two. Offensively PW had little to offer round by round except for four rounds. JCC offense was not as domnt but a little more effective. Then you look at D's and both PW and JCC displayed great D. PW D used lateral movement, jab and not risking. JCC D was headmovement, pressure and blocking. Both were equally effective. JCC won on a 10 pt sys
lsolorio1978 2 years ago
Chavez was totally out-classed, out-boxed, and out-punched....its called boxing....Whitaker was robbed!
bigrob55412 2 years ago 2
tiene razon budfr el whitaker era una cobarde. A lo mejor era su estrategia pero que no mame.
Whitaker was a chiken boy. He runaway all the time, maybe strategy but come on, its borin to see somebody who runs all time
barrichelo84 2 years ago
Floyd Mayweather Jnr best fits the description of a boxer who runs all the time. Whitaker was a defensive genius and wasn't afraid to stand toe to toe when he had to.
danjon54 2 years ago
Mexican or not. He lost the fight, period. I know you idol Chavez, and that's cool, he will go down as one of my greatest fighter's. But, like it or not that pussy stuff got him in trouble when he faced Sweet Pea. You don't have to give him prop's Pea is one of the G.O.A.T and no one can dispute it. To hit and not be hit.
district644 2 years ago
Chavez kicked his ass clearly!!!!! A robbery!!!!
Tezcatlipoca3 2 years ago
Utter nonsense pal! Whitaker whupped him! disgrace of a result! Whitaker's friend Meldrick Taylor was also denied victory against Chavez in dubious fashion!
cmontaefcuk 2 years ago
hahahaha, yeah and bears can fly like birds and mice can bark like dogs!!!!
canibusnj 2 years ago
nah, he was getting his ass kicked
ZR1Terror 2 years ago 3
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riskyshotz 2 years ago
chavez jr and sr is really the same..they always let their oponnent punch their face..its like they dont mind..
uB3cPO 2 years ago
ii watched this fight over and over and i stii cant see how this was called a draw. JCC was a great boxer but on this night he was clearly outclassed period.
djjaigas1 2 years ago 6
they only show whitaker highlights here, i admit whitaker slightly took it but it was really close, a draw is sort of fair.
MGMGrandWBC 2 years ago
You must be on dust!!!!!
canibusnj 2 years ago
A ROBBERY...this is as clear as someone going into a bank, nothing hiding their face,gun point blank in the face, demanding money, and saying"THIS IS A ROBBERY"!!
fishraw 2 years ago
thanks i enjoyed that
mrsamoa69 2 years ago
i know what ur sayen...i seem to favor brawlers or inside fighters.....jabing and running around isnt exciting...yes hes good but id rather watch someone else fight
aschindler22 2 years ago
damn Whitaker was robbed.
jordanav 2 years ago 3
See man, this is the same old shit. People like heavy-hitters, and show-boaters, and people with big personalities better than they like technical boxers. People think that winning by decision isn't real winning, and amazing boxers like Whitaker get forgotten. It's the same reason almost all listings of greatest heavyweights has Dempsey above Tunney. It's very sad.
Gregorius144 2 years ago 2
Whitaker won this fight and was robbed.
damianfonseca 2 years ago
Yeah, Chavez lost this fight. But going 87-0 before truly tasting defeat is a good accomplishment in itself, the fight was quite boring with no real memorable moments (until the shocking outcome at the end). And for the people whether black or Mexican who have to resort to racial insults it shows nothing but ignorance on your part.
osvie01 2 years ago 2
whitaker beat the shit out of chavez
dbsr111 2 years ago 3
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Why did the American judge only saw it 115-113? If this judge was not "bought", how come he doesnt have Whitaker ahead with a big margin? By the way the America judge gave the last round to Whitaker, a round where Whitaker did not do much.
rubenmendez0327 2 years ago
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rubenmendez0327 2 years ago
what fight were you watching,pernell clearly won the the fight ,out boxed ,out landed,and at one point stood toe to toe
carlos5854perez 2 years ago 2
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JCC won this fight. Whitaker should of been DQed in the 9th. JCC would of knocked Whitakers ass out ithats why Whitaker being a pussy had to low blow him NINE times
tatertots00 2 years ago
JCC won this fight jajajajajajajajaja, yeah and mice can bark and bears can fly high like birds!!!!! GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!!!
canibusnj 2 years ago 4
yeah fuckin chavez wasnt fightin a smart fight and whitaker was and plus wat a great D
THUG1904 2 years ago
don't overlook Tito Trinidad a modern day warrior! and at 147 could of hung in there with the best of them.
judaschongo 2 years ago
Your troll attempt failed. Let it go.
HeadlessEye 2 years ago
don't understand your jargon? troll?
judaschongo 2 years ago
chavez came to fight, like always, whitaker is good, but his fights are never exciting
b1azin33 2 years ago
Chavez is a 1 trick pony!
Chavez, Gomez & Pryor are the most overrated fighters in recent memory.
judaschongo 2 years ago
chavez overrated? gettin to 87-0 overrated? LMFAO, name another recent so called "great" that came even close? lol
b1azin33 2 years ago
Chavez like Pryor and Gomez didn't even debut at 1 of the original 8 weight divisions? fought a lot of blown up featherweights after they'd been softened up the much greater Salvador Sanchez.
judaschongo 2 years ago
oh salvador sanchez is the greatest, i dont care what u say, chavez is second to him, and to say chavez fougth soft fighters shows u know nothing about boxing, Meldrick taylor was the baddest mutha in the world, and had the gold medal to prove it, thats soft? lol, rosario soft? la porte was soft to huh, wow
b1azin33 2 years ago
would you not agree the Taylor fight was controversial? could you honestly say Rosario was a great fighter? a damn good one yes! but damn the word "great" get used very loosely these days? LaPorte that's another story? like I said softened up by the great Sal Sanchez and even so? he gave Chavez all he could handle considering he's a natural featherweight.
judaschongo 2 years ago
controversial because they didnt give meldrick the last 3 seconds for free? that wouldnt be fair to chavez, it is what it is, if it wasnt for those ropes, he cant get up, watch the vid dude, ur wrong again, barrera, morales, are really good boxers, chavez and salv are in another league, thats great, floyd think at 39-0 and fighting all those non significant opponents is great, lol, thats aight in my book, Tito trinidad, oscar, gomez, la porte, are really good, but cant be in sentence wit jc n SS
b1azin33 2 years ago
forget the ropes? point is he made it back to his feet! it was a judgment call on the part of Steele? now weather he was part of the apparatus working for Don King on Chavez's behalf? that's another story? I think the point your getting across is that Sal was the greatest from Mexico? in which I concur. But as for Chavez being #2? I strongly disagree! many people overlook Olivares a 3 time champion just like Chavez with a record of 100 fights and 77 KO's. All his opponents were in their primes.
judaschongo 2 years ago
well said, sal is the greatest mexican that has ever lived to box, no doubt about that, but chavez has to be 2, 87-0 c'mon, that is hard shit, olivarez is 3 in my book, just as good, but i gave the slight advantage for chavez,
b1azin33 2 years ago
Chavez 3rd. Olivares was superior!
judaschongo 2 years ago
yea that why he couldnt get to 87-0 uh, chavez took out meldrick taylor, end of story, he was the baddest gold medalist at the time, olivarez never fought someone of that calliber
b1azin33 2 years ago
what? actually he fought a real professional and fellow all-time great in Arguello. Now Chavez never fought anyone like that before.
judaschongo 2 years ago
meldrick taylor kid, go do ur homework
b1azin33 2 years ago
I know who Taylor is; what about him?
judaschongo 2 years ago
he was one bad muthafucka, one of the scariest boxers i have seen in my life
b1azin33 2 years ago
the way I see it: Chavez didn't even debut at 1 of the original 8 weight divisions; he started at 130 a jr/super division? Olivares at was a 2 division champ, but only his were 118&126; 2 of the original 8. As for Chavez the opposite the only real championship that counts is 135 the 130 and 140 were just adornments.
judaschongo 2 years ago
of course all gringo assholes see whitakers,,,,winner...but the true stand up....and the true is MEXICAN PRIDE RULE........assholes gringos......
ahtenor 2 years ago
The worst decision ever.
I don't know how many flush shots Pennel landed but they were so many.
The fight was staged in that shithole state of Texas and the decision was not surprising offcourse.
Stupid TEXANS!!!!!!!!!!
lemigod 2 years ago
I sorta feel bad fr sweet pea, he wuz robbed of several fights in hs career tht he shoulda won
Fr Ex: De La Hoya-Whitaker, and Ramirez
Magnum49r 2 years ago
There are heavyweight fights in 16 foot boxing rings. These two small fighters fought in a 22 foot ring! This definately helped whitaker run around. Chavez still landed his shots. See the interview after the fight. Whitaker's face has more punishment than in any other fight in his career.
mambosando 2 years ago
mambosando: You make a good point; the size of the ring did favor Sweet Pea, but Whitaker didn't use all of the ring throughout the fight. There were extended periods throughout the fight where Sweet Pea traded punches w/ Chavez. And Chavez LOSS THE IN-FIGHTING PART OF THE FIGHT!!! That was his specialty. Sweet Pea beat him at his own game.
One of the worst decisions in the history of boxing.
Period.
TheThirdEyeCeesU 2 years ago
at least somebody makes sense yell
BOX5 2 years ago
why everybody says Whitaker won? los dos se dieron con todo, both make a lot of clean punches, well if run(1 point for every mile) and land low blows makes points, then yes, sweet pea won.
joahantucson 2 years ago
you sound stupid as fucc hahahaha yell
BOX5 2 years ago
I like Chavez but Pernell won he was robbed in both the Chavez and De la hoya fight.
Damondeeh20 2 years ago 6
whitaker was robbed
jigglyfidda125 2 years ago 3